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Speaker 1: I'm Benjamin Albright, Broncos Country Tonight. Coming up at the

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Speaker 1: top of the hour, they'll continue to break down what

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Speaker 1: happened in this game. Of course, we've been reacting to

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Speaker 1: the news this afternoon that Drake Greenlaws has been suspended

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Speaker 1: one game for on sportsmanlike conduct as he had a

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Speaker 1: bit of a verbal altercation with Brad White as they

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Speaker 1: were leaving the field. Now we are seeing, upon further

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Speaker 1: review of the video that as the players rush the field,

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Speaker 1: Brad Allen kind of shoves justice or not, and maybe

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Speaker 1: that's ultimately what Drake Greenlaw took exception to. Now, again,

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Speaker 1: there's a multiple reasons to yell at that rep crew

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Speaker 1: because they were really bad, But in this case, maybe

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Speaker 1: he was just sticking up for a teammate.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about that, Nick?

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what I saw, and I know the rules.

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Speaker 3: Once again, you gotta understand what rules are to govern

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Speaker 3: to maintain a certain level of discipline and decorum for

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Speaker 3: everyone to follow. Right, you can't circumvent any of these rules.

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Speaker 3: And the rule states that players can't make contact with officials,

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Speaker 3: which we can all see clearly that green Law didn't

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Speaker 1: But we would listen, we would all say if he

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Speaker 1: contacted the ref then suspended him.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Allen made contact with Justice Ernard, who was running

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Speaker 3: on the field celebrating with his teammates. There was no

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Speaker 3: reason for Brad Allen to push him. Now Allan can say, well,

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Speaker 3: I felt like my life was in danger because I

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Speaker 4: Of players, and that too would be hogwashed.

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Speaker 3: But there's no reason to touch a player, just as

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Speaker 3: though there's no reason for a player coach to touch

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Speaker 3: in the fissue. So if you're going to suspend Drake

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Speaker 3: Greenlaw and I don't need to know what he said, right,

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Speaker 3: I don't need to know what he said because you

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Speaker 3: can't suspend someone for using harsh language.

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Speaker 4: Well, excuse me.

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Speaker 3: You can't suspend them, but you can find them for

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Speaker 3: using harsh language. But in this case, if you're going

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Speaker 3: to do that to Drake Greenlaw, not touch Brad Allen,

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Speaker 3: and shouldn't there be a suspension equally keep things balanced

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Speaker 3: for Brad Allen who shoved Justice urnaud Am am I

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Speaker 3: out of pocket on that.

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Speaker 2: I just know you're not out of pocket.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to suspend or find Brad Allen,

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Speaker 1: the head rep.

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Speaker 2: For what he did to Justine Surnad.

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Speaker 1: But I think in the context of the appeal, that

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Speaker 4: Can I tell you how these appeals work?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, please do, because I've been in one of these things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: When you go in, you sit down, someone has already

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Speaker 4: reviewed it.

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Speaker 3: Nine times out of ten. They've already made up their mind.

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Speaker 3: They just want to hear what you would have to say.

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Speaker 3: They see if you're going to add any information that

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Speaker 3: should change how they're going to discipline it. You're gonna

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Speaker 3: be disciplined. But it all depends. So in this case,

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Speaker 3: let's just say that they see it. They see the

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Speaker 3: Brad Allen shove Justice Schrenard wipe it off the table.

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Speaker 3: Still say, you know what, We're still going to find

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Speaker 3: you like, wait a minute, I just presented a compleat

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Speaker 3: of my case. Here's what I did, here's what I said.

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Speaker 3: But still they're going to try to keep some of

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Speaker 3: fined me five grand for socks for socks.

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Speaker 4: Ryan Edwards five grand for socks.

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Speaker 2: Socks?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and then when I go to tell them, hey, man, listen,

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Speaker 3: I'm chasing after a guyline like Danny and Thomlinson. Do

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Speaker 3: you think I had time to pull up my socks

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Speaker 3: because you want us to look like the uniform guy

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Speaker 4: So I got a choice.

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Speaker 3: I either allow h David Gibbs and Mike Shanahan to

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Speaker 4: How about that?

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Speaker 1: You know what's really funny is we have Nate Jackson

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Speaker 2: Yes, he's that guy.

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Speaker 4: He's that guy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I called him a uniform Karen No, No, we

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Speaker 3: called him a uniform cop draw dry Cisen, Yeah, you draw.

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Speaker 2: I give him a hard time for what it's worse.

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Speaker 2: I give him a hard time. He also it's one

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Speaker 2: tries to find the balance. He's like, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to get people in trouble. You don't want to do it.

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Speaker 3: We as players, we still consider you to be the man.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're right that the man keeping a brother

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Speaker 1: I've told him that, maybe not in those words, but

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Speaker 1: I think a little weird coming out of my palace

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Speaker 3: What next time he's on the show, you can say, well,

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Speaker 3: I was talking to Nick and this is how he

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Speaker 1: I still think it would be weird for me even

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Speaker 1: to say no, But Nick said it, said.

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Speaker 4: Yes, those are my words. It's on the record.

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Speaker 3: You can actually have Zach save it and play it

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Speaker 3: for him and say, hey, this is what Nick said.

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Speaker 4: He said, just you know, just the man kicking a

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Speaker 4: brother down again.

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Speaker 2: Five six nine zeros. R k Way comments for a

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Speaker 2: he'll touch lives.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear Voice of the Broncos Dave Logan and

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Speaker 1: bo Nix coming up here at five thirty. Really fun

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Speaker 1: conversation after the game last night. We'll get to that

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Speaker 1: coming up here just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But on on the subject of Bonix and the offense,

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Speaker 2: you were hanging out with the alumni. Now you can't

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Speaker 2: share all the things that we're saying.

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Speaker 4: I will not do that, But what was.

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Speaker 2: The takeaway for the first three quarters and including I

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Speaker 2: imagine the fourth quarter when they did sort of come back,

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Speaker 3: Game, well, is not enough downy or games that you

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Speaker 4: Back and forth.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of loud voices, a lot of

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Speaker 2: Give me the Disney version, well, okay, maybe not, maybe

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Speaker 2: give me the pg Ish version.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Well, just more than anything, I just want to that's

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Speaker 3: Well Mafossa beings By about the Wilderbeest. It was kind

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Speaker 3: of like that. Okay, how Disney is that for you?

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Speaker 3: Do they have any suggestions, right ideas? Oh? Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I mean if there was a suggestion of us, it

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Speaker 2: So well that's what they're That's that's their job. I

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Speaker 3: Yes, but listen, in all fairvios, how did the Giants

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Speaker 4: How did they start off.

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Speaker 3: The game running the ball they did, which opened up

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Speaker 3: play action for them. How did the Broncos start off

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Speaker 3: the ball passing the ball completions? That's right, and bow

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Speaker 3: had fifty kind of fifty attempts.

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Speaker 4: That's utterly ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: And then when you look at the fact of the

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Speaker 4: And bowl, you can add his was in there to JK.

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Speaker 3: Dobbins led the team with eighty one I think one

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Speaker 4: That was that's bad. That's not balance. And I get it.

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Speaker 3: The Broncos were trailing, so they had to throw the

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Speaker 3: in it. But they never had balance to begin with.

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Speaker 3: And to hear, these running backs go back and forth

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Speaker 3: Well, this is how frustrated guys were at watching the

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Speaker 3: or as we saw when they went up tempo of

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Speaker 4: Gosh darn it, I didn't even know if that was possible.

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Speaker 2: I imagine when they did go up.

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Speaker 1: Tempo in the fourth quarter, a lot of those players

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Speaker 2: No, they know not, because it was it felt like

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Speaker 2: it was too little too late, probably for too little

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Speaker 2: why did he do it first three quarters?

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Speaker 1: Well, so let's get into the root of that, right,

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Speaker 2: That was good. Let's get into the root of it.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like Sean Payton and Joe Lombardi and

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff aren't seeing some of the same things.

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Speaker 1: You have three straight games, now you have fourth quarter comebacks.

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Speaker 1: The Jets game is a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Of an outlier.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if there's much we can learn

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Speaker 1: from the second half of that game because they were

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Speaker 2: The fact that the defense was playing so well.

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Speaker 1: Even Joe Lombardi was asked about the office started talking

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Speaker 2: But the cat a really nice comeback against.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles, right, eighteen points in the fourth quarter, So

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Speaker 1: we're thirty three points in the fourth quarter this last week.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of how clutch this team can be.

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Speaker 1: That there's a belief that they can survive almost anything.

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Speaker 1: I think that's awesome. But it's important to talk about

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Speaker 1: the other side of it, because you can be much

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Speaker 1: better than you have been for longer stretch.

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Speaker 2: For stretches of this game, you can't and you should

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Speaker 3: Earlier day when he was in here, he was saying

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Speaker 3: maybe what coach Sean Payne believes as far as it's

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Speaker 3: not sustainable to have your quarterback kind of constantly playing

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Speaker 3: from the pocket. You know what's not sustainable winning like this.

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Speaker 3: It's not because we saw Kansas City do it last year.

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Speaker 3: Right now, you're leaning on hope. Hope is not a strategy.

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Speaker 3: Any One thing that helps to Broncos is by Hooker

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Speaker 3: Krug their defense. They made plays and plays in pivotal moments,

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Speaker 3: as though Super Bowl fifty to no fly Zone was

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Speaker 3: being celebrated. And that's the first thing I thought. Those

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Speaker 3: dudes defensively under Way Phillips right, who advanced Joseph Heels

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. No, I don't have it all.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't need that audio. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: Even though he did not say it. Even though he

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Speaker 4: It's all about Man Bowl.

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Speaker 3: All I did was what you said that Joe Lombardi did.

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Speaker 4: Ryan? Your words? No mine? What did Joe Lombardi do?

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Speaker 4: Don't look at the claw, I think what you want

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Speaker 2: Well, the temper churger just got turned. Yes.

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Speaker 4: What did he say, Ryan?

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Speaker 2: He started talking about the defense.

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Speaker 4: That's right, So all I did, I'm taking a page

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, they're going to have their hands full. By

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Speaker 2: And he's he's not about to turn bon Nicks loose.

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Speaker 3: Why not take this training and wheels, take the handcuffs off,

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Speaker 4: You want to speed things up for those players, especially

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Speaker 4: What was bo doing?

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Speaker 2: You that the Broncos should give Bonix more opportunities to

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, yes, wow, dosh the bullets on that one.

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Speaker 3: Bo was more successful when you're doing the hell any

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Speaker 2: So that's is it an arm angled thing or is

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Speaker 1: Seven bat of passes, So I don't know say he's

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Speaker 4: I'd have something for that.

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Speaker 3: The shorter ones now, because you know the pass rushers

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Speaker 4: Now, for me, I call it.

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Speaker 4: Now we're talking about having the ability to look off.

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Speaker 3: First, you check, you get the matchup you want, You

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Speaker 2: So this is so for you, this is more a

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Speaker 2: just hey, Bonus needs to fix his arm angle. This

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Speaker 3: Okay, fascinating, it's all of it because in any given situation,

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Speaker 4: Well, it was their fault, it was this call. No,

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Speaker 3: You have to work out these fundamental issues before you

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Speaker 4: The idea is that you don't want this many of them.

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Speaker 1: This is our chances one one thousand dollars coming over

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Speaker 1: Mercedes of Littleton dot com. When we come back, we're

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Speaker 1: We're going to play the interview with Bonix and Dave

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Speaker 1: Logan here in just a matter of moments this one. Ryan,

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Speaker 1: I listened to ESPN Get Up this morning. We talked

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Speaker 2: I would have liked, tend to like.

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Speaker 2: In this case, Hey, the Giants, they.

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Speaker 2: And I think both things can be true.

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Speaker 3: end of the day, the Broncos won the game and

447
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Speaker 3: that's the way I look at it.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Can we sit here and think that this team is perfect.

450
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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. They have a lot of things to clean up.

451
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Speaker 3: But this is the beauty of having a long season

452
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Speaker 3: is that you find out where you're good, you're good at,

453
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Speaker 3: and where you're bad at. But also you want to

454
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Speaker 3: make sure that you start fine tuning a lot of

455
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Speaker 3: those things before you get into that week eight, week nine,

456
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Speaker 3: because some of those things, when you get into that

457
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Speaker 3: period of the season, you are who you are. So

458
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Speaker 3: when we start looking at because that was the question

459
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Speaker 3: when Jojo and I did the show, the pregame show,

460
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Speaker 3: what the identy of this team, and right now that

461
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Speaker 3: appears to be their identity. They have to change and

462
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Speaker 3: the only one who can do that are the players

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Speaker 3: and the coaches.

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Speaker 2: But I take one part of the identity that I

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Speaker 2: actually really do like.

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Speaker 1: And this is something I think over the course of

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Speaker 1: this week and the season, will continue to monitor. Is

468
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Speaker 1: there are teams that are front runners as then they

469
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Speaker 1: get out to fast starts and then they kind of

470
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Speaker 1: fall apart there in the fourth core.

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Speaker 2: They don't know how to close.

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Speaker 1: And remember we talked about that even though the season's like,

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Speaker 1: hey man, this team is having a tough time learning

474
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Speaker 1: to close against the against the Chargers, but they still

475
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Speaker 1: were in those games and they made some plays right,

476
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Speaker 1: they just couldn't quite get there. I'd rather have the

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Speaker 1: team that can close, so I know, cbo esk almost Wow,

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Speaker 1: it's extreme.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Extreme? Did you see what I'm just saying?

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Speaker 1: Like, if I have to choose, I'll take the team

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Speaker 1: that believes in itself and could close the game out

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter and believes in their quarterback that

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Speaker 1: could help them close out a game in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: versus the team that's like, hey man, we were really

485
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Speaker 1: good for three quarters.

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Speaker 2: That was fun.

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Speaker 3: He is what. You're absolutely right, And as much as

488
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Speaker 3: though I can go home through the film and pick

489
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Speaker 3: up all these things, both good and bad, going through

490
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Speaker 3: that adversity building that callus where your body language is bad,

491
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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden there's a play here. Everyone

492
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Speaker 3: is invigorated, the coaching is much better. Right to me,

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Speaker 3: You want to know that you have the ability to

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Speaker 3: win those type of games because guess what that is.

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Speaker 4: That's playoff football.

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Speaker 3: That game against the Giants all that it shouldn't have

497
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Speaker 3: been that way because you're dealing with a young.

498
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Speaker 4: Team that was a playoff atmosphere.

499
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Speaker 3: So now you're getting prepared for what everyone is projecting

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Speaker 3: for you to be.

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Speaker 4: So once you get there, it should be you've already

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Speaker 4: learned these lessons.

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Speaker 3: We don't want to see these anymore. I'm hoping that

504
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Speaker 3: this was the last time we've seen this, Ryan, because

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Speaker 3: for me, I'm with you. You want a team that

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Speaker 3: can close, but I want a team that could book

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Speaker 3: in both ends.

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Speaker 4: You can start and you can finish well said.

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Speaker 1: Here was last night's conversation after the game with quarterback

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Speaker 1: Phon Nicks and voice to the Broncos Dave Logan.

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Speaker 4: Let's sit down to.

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Speaker 5: The locker room and talk with the starting quarterback of

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Speaker 5: the Denver Broncos Bonicks Both Dave Logan, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: This was my thirty six year calling games. I don't

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Speaker 5: think I've called one quite like that. Have you ever

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Speaker 5: at any level of football played in a game like that?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 6: The closest would be my junior year at high school.

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Speaker 6: We just went back and forth with a team where

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Speaker 6: we ended up winning in overtime fifty one to fifty

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Speaker 6: after you're going for two, and that's about as exhilarating

522
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Speaker 6: as I've played. Other than that, I think that one

523
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Speaker 6: takes the cake.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're down nineteen nothing after three quarters and

526
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Speaker 5: you score thirty three points in the fourth quarters. It's

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Speaker 5: the most points ever scored in a single quarter in

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Speaker 5: Broncos franchise history. What couple of things come to mind

529
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Speaker 5: as being how that actually happened?

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not quite sure.

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Speaker 6: I think the tempo really helped. And then it was

532
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Speaker 6: just you know, you had nothing to lose. So we

533
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Speaker 6: went out there and played, you know, as efficient as

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Speaker 6: we could. We made some plays that you know, we

535
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Speaker 6: kind of care free, and we just started playing ball.

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Speaker 6: We played aggressive, we played clean. I mean, we've just

537
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Speaker 6: played complimentary.

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Speaker 2: We lad the ball well.

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Speaker 6: We threw some screens, we completed some passes down the field.

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Speaker 6: The receivers were making explosive plays, and then you know,

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Speaker 6: there at the end, we just got in range for

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Speaker 6: Ruts to go and.

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Speaker 5: Take us home.

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Speaker 6: But I don't know if I knew we would do

545
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Speaker 6: it the first two quarters, we would have to score

546
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Speaker 6: thirty three in the fourth.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, on the on the drive that you

548
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Speaker 5: take the lead, that was your run of eighteen yards,

549
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Speaker 5: you hit a third down and eleven throw to Mems

550
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Speaker 5: for thirty one. He hit Franklin on a second and

551
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Speaker 5: ten for a first down. I mean, it just seemed

552
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Speaker 5: like you put the ball up and let your guys

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Speaker 5: have some chances, and you guys made some big catches

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Speaker 5: in that fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 6: I think you can probably talk about each and every

557
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Speaker 6: one of them. Marv, you know have several that stand out.

558
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Speaker 6: Courtland obviously have several that stand out. Troy makes some

559
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Speaker 6: big time plays that stand out. You know, Pat and

560
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Speaker 6: the running backs, man, they were just Evan Ingram. They

561
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Speaker 6: just continue to play and you know, find a way

562
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Speaker 6: and nobody really you know, panicked, and everybody was just

563
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Speaker 6: staying positive. You know, Troy Franklin was on the sideline

564
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Speaker 6: talking about how ten points is you know, that's you

565
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Speaker 6: can do that in our sleep. We'll just go get

566
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Speaker 6: one and you know, never backs down from a challenge.

567
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Speaker 4: And Evan's will hopping.

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Speaker 6: Up to the sideline and you know, getting everybody going

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Speaker 6: and just good energy and good leadership from our sideline

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Speaker 6: when we needed.

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Speaker 2: It, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: I'll get you out of here on this.

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Speaker 5: On the last drive, you run the clear out and

574
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Speaker 5: what I called was Courtland on a dig rude. I

575
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Speaker 5: thought you were throwing to Courtland. Marvin turned around and.

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Speaker 6: Were safety and he just turned around and made the catch.

577
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Speaker 6: I was trying to throw it behind that safety, you know,

578
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Speaker 6: the second window throw, and Marv just everything was soft.

579
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Speaker 6: He just turned around and just caught the ball and

580
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Speaker 6: it was perfect. It definitely not what we drew up,

581
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Speaker 6: but you know, Marvin just a savvy football player. He

582
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Speaker 6: just you know, continues to do stuff like that. You know,

583
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Speaker 6: the go ball was impressive. I mean it was just

584
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Speaker 6: so many, so many time and plays that guys just

585
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Speaker 6: made that you know, didn't really care who made it,

586
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Speaker 6: but the guy if it was on it, then they

587
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Speaker 6: were going to make it.

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Speaker 5: Hey, listen, congratulations, that's a hell of a huge win.

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Speaker 5: Enjoy it and we'll talk.

590
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Speaker 4: To you this week.

591
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Speaker 6: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, you bet, that's Bo Nicks.

593
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Speaker 1: You find all of the postgame interviews that we had

594
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Speaker 1: last night, which were quite a few, on demand at

595
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Speaker 1: Kwacolorado dot com or better yet, on the iHeartRadio app,

596
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: which is redesigned like you have in your car, very

597
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Speaker 1: cool stuff free.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I want to make sure I mentioned that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So that passed to Marvinnis.

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Speaker 1: It was funny today because there were a lot of

601
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Speaker 1: people pulling that out as again the flukiness I guess

602
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Speaker 1: of the game. There were some fluky moments. I mean again,

603
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Speaker 1: the Troy Franklin batted up in the air touchdown, THEO Johnson,

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Speaker 1: THEO Johnson touchdown and off the deflection.

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Speaker 2: But that's kind of what the league is right in

606
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Speaker 2: a lot of ways, like like you have moments like

607
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Speaker 2: that right there, that pass intended for Cortland Sutton that

608
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Speaker 2: that ended up going to Marvin Mims. And that's just

609
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Speaker 2: sort of what you have to be heads up on,

610
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Speaker 2: can't it a bit?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's you get you get one or two

612
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Speaker 3: of those types of plays games almost like an explosive

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Speaker 3: for like fifty.

614
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Speaker 2: To sixty yards. You're not getting multiple games.

615
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Speaker 3: In that particular way, like you said it was, it

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Speaker 3: was fluky, That's exactly what it was, because there were

617
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Speaker 3: so many things that were happening, Like there were head scratches.

618
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Speaker 3: You're grabbing your head, like I can't believe that just happened.

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Speaker 3: It's still one of the reasons why on that particular

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Speaker 3: day you look at what happened with you know, Damarus

621
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Speaker 3: Thomas that I go back. You know that Demarus and

622
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Speaker 3: God was sitting there watching the game and here I say,

623
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Speaker 3: divine intervention play his.

624
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Speaker 2: Role, okay, and it kind of felt like that.

625
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Speaker 1: Honestly, we were talking to the fans and Broncos react

626
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Speaker 1: after the fact, Uh that was That's very prevalent in

627
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Speaker 1: a lot of discussion, and it just you you think

628
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Speaker 1: about the way that it happened. It's a little bit unexplainable,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I want to get too far down

630
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Speaker 1: the rabbit holes. Just that that's what it felt like.

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Speaker 3: That's what it felt like for me. Yeah, right, Look,

632
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I can't speak for anyone else.

633
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Speaker 4: I'm a God for your man.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes the things that you can explain, God has

635
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Speaker 3: something to do with it. Sometimes the things that you

636
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: can't explain, God has something to do with it. On Sunday,

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Speaker 3: why not it would it not have been that God said,

638
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Speaker 3: m let me move the go post.

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Speaker 4: Yes, a little bit.

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Speaker 2: So she's saying God hates the giants.

641
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Speaker 4: I did say that.

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Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. I'm kidding before people go, I'm kidding.

643
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Speaker 2: But it's always for a moment.

644
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Speaker 1: Whatever an athlete says that after a game like God

645
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Speaker 1: was with us, there's always that part of me and something.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying he didn't like the other guys.

647
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Speaker 4: Yeah, in that moment he didn't.

648
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Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, you could actually say, because he love you more.

649
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: In that moment felt as though that you had I

650
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Speaker 3: don't know, sacrifice or whatever, and had earned that not given,

651
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: had earned that right, and offensively and defensively, the Broncos

652
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Speaker 3: earned the right to get that victory, all right?

653
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Speaker 1: Five six six nine zero is our KWA common spirit

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Speaker 1: health text line. Ben Albright will join us on the

655
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Speaker 1: other side to argue it. Yeah, wet blanket. He's gonna

656
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Speaker 1: argue the other side because that's what he does. And

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Speaker 1: you can followhim on Twitter at all right, NFL if

658
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Speaker 1: you want to see that, Hi been, how's it going?

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Speaker 4: Any news out there going on?

660
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Speaker 2: Very busy with your Twitter fingers? Is there any any

661
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Speaker 2: news going on out there? Yeah? Arguing on the side

662
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Speaker 2: of Brad Allen. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa easy champ.

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Speaker 7: I get that you wear the flantel, but you go

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Speaker 7: you don't get to move the goal post that far.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you are moving to gold post just a little

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Speaker 3: because me was good for the goose is good for

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Speaker 3: the gander.

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Speaker 7: Let me, let me, let me because we never got

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Speaker 7: to the end of our debate there in the break.

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Speaker 2: What all say is is, first of all, the situation.

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Speaker 7: With very greenlow looks like something that spiraled out of

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Speaker 7: control that shouldn't have. I do believe that Brad Allen

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Speaker 7: will and should get a warning for too aggressively trying

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Speaker 7: to move the player out of the way.

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Speaker 2: To get out of the scrum. That said.

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Speaker 7: As a player, you know you can't chirp at the

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Speaker 7: referees after the last whistle ended.

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Speaker 2: You know you can't chase them.

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Speaker 7: And allegedly, again because I wasn't there, I didn't witness it,

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Speaker 7: I don't know, but allegedly you cannot threat and an official.

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Speaker 7: There's no excuse none, even if he if he touched it,

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Speaker 7: you send that to the league and get him barred

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Speaker 7: from refereeing for life.

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Speaker 3: Well, in this case, then, like if we were watching

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Speaker 3: the game, it's offsetting penalties, would it not be?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's after the I mean that's after the Well.

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Speaker 4: He threw a flag after the after the kick was made.

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Speaker 7: No, it's not because it's after, it's after the There

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Speaker 7: is no there's no guideline for the only rules that exist.

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Speaker 7: And the NFL doesn't have rules on this, it's guidelines

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Speaker 7: and there is a difference.

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Speaker 4: But he threw a flag, did he not?

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Speaker 2: Well, he threw a flag because there is a rule

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Speaker 2: on that. Okay, you can't, you can't do that.

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Speaker 7: So but this is Grinell's appealing sot so will this

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Speaker 7: has come out? It will come out of the way,

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Speaker 7: an shut it will all come out of the wash.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: No, no, they're not going to give us the audio

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Speaker 3: because remember when whoa was it all?

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Speaker 2: It's about to be a lot more transparent.

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Speaker 7: The Gruden lawsuits are about to really really mess over

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Speaker 7: the league as far as it's shielding itself the way

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Speaker 7: it used to. There's gonna be a lot more transparency

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Speaker 7: in the years to come on this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Maybe like a situation, but for that.

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Speaker 4: Mason Rudolph remember now that whole situations.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't release the audio.

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Speaker 4: Jos never released the audio. Ye, we never heard it,

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Speaker 4: so who may not hear it in this case? Well,

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Speaker 4: once again, it's offsetting penalties.

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Speaker 3: If you're telling me Brian Allen cannot make contact or

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Speaker 3: fortunately make contact with the player, which he did. Green

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Speaker 3: Law had some words. We don't know exactly what he said.

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Speaker 3: Should it not be offsetting penalties?

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Speaker 2: It feels like it? Wait what again, was a fine

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Speaker 2: feels justified? I have for the official? No a fine

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Speaker 2: for green Law? I'm I'm fine.

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Speaker 7: If he threatened the referee, then it's that you have.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there's no period, it does not matter. It's

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Speaker 7: a suspension and I won't hear ancounter and there's no counter.

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Speaker 7: You can't threaten somebody perioding. We don't know that you're

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Speaker 7: saying a legislation.

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Speaker 2: If yeah, if he threatened him, if he didn't threaten him, then.

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Speaker 7: We're talking about then we're talking about. Okay, what really happened?

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Speaker 7: Did Brad Allen? You know what is Brad Allan saying

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Speaker 7: that that occurred? Because right now what we have is

728
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Speaker 7: him saying he was threatened?

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Speaker 4: Okay, really quickly? What defines a threat?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question.

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Speaker 4: We have to be wonderful about what that.

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Speaker 2: Is, right Is a gesture?

733
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Speaker 4: Is it an actual physical threat?

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Speaker 2: Is it just yelling? Is it just yelling? Bad language?

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Speaker 7: And the suspension it's physically threatening and the suspension.

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Speaker 3: Once again, we have to be careful about that because

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Speaker 3: I know, I'm just telling it says one that looks

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Speaker 3: like me can be perceived as being physically threatened, even.

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Speaker 4: Though you're using words.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm just saying, every time you come in the studio,

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Speaker 2: I call, for sake coming.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, I have written. I mean you know I've talked.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Now wow, Now I know that people are actually gonna

745
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Speaker 4: believe that too.

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Speaker 2: I've seen it before them.

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Speaker 4: I know we can talk about.

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Speaker 7: And I don't know that I would have ever I

749
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Speaker 7: don't know that I would have ever conceptualized it on

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Speaker 7: that level.

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Speaker 2: Head I've not seen it at that way before this.

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Speaker 2: All I'm doing, and I'm with you very all I'm.

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Speaker 7: Doing right now is I'm trying to tell you the

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Speaker 7: way what what is being said at that level. Whether

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Speaker 7: I agree with it, whether I disagree with it, that's

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Speaker 7: not what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: What's being said. And so my opinion, if.

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Speaker 7: You physically threatened someone and I mean legitimately said you

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Speaker 7: were going to do something, you know, et cetera, then yeah,

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Speaker 7: you got to be suspended. If if there's a misinterpretation

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Speaker 7: by the referee, then you reduce it to a fine.

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Speaker 7: You find the referee for too aggressively moving the player

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Speaker 7: out of the waist, turn nod.

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Speaker 2: And you move on about your day.

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Speaker 1: Okay, more of that coming up here with Benjamin al

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Speaker 1: Brice coming up Bronco's Country tonight,