WEBVTT - Mike Florio on Macdonald-Bensinger Interview, Kaepernick, Rams Win

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, buttholes?

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<v Speaker 3>the NFL and NBC, and really a guy that I

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<v Speaker 3>have a lot of respect for, Dick. One of my

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<v Speaker 3>greatest blessings in this business has been getting to know

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Florio and to call him a friend. And he

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<v Speaker 3>joins us right now on the radio show.

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<v Speaker 4>Mike, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you drunk?

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<v Speaker 3>Nope.

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<v Speaker 4>Not yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Both?

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<v Speaker 4>Neither?

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<v Speaker 2>Hello?

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<v Speaker 5>No, no.

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<v Speaker 4>Good. Good to go.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. I don't know what inspires you to keep

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<v Speaker 2>trying to butter me up. It doesn't work. At some point,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to try. You need to. Not being so favorable.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe that'll put me in a corner, like hip check

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<v Speaker 6>me against the board, like, like a cracking defensive player

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<v Speaker 6>doing the four checking, getting down in there and just,

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<v Speaker 6>just check me against the board.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll hang up on you though. If you do it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I was going to say, how about this? I

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<v Speaker 3>hate doing this segment. You're a son of a bitch

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<v Speaker 3>and I can't wait till it's over. Is that what

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<v Speaker 3>you want to hear? Well, Mike Florio's with us, Mike,

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<v Speaker 3>why don't you weigh in on the, Mike McDonald, Graham

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<v Speaker 3>Bensinker spat that we got going on here with Sean Payton,

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<v Speaker 3>this triangle between the three of them on the record,

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<v Speaker 3>off the record.

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<v Speaker 4>Who do you blame? Who do you not blame? What's

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<v Speaker 4>your take on that whole story?

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<v Speaker 6>I wish it would have come to a head two

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<v Speaker 6>years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>As a member of the media that's looking for good

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<v Speaker 2>stories to.

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<v Speaker 6>Cover, I would have loved to have known that Sean

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<v Speaker 6>Payton was threatening to publicly accuse the Seahawks of a

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<v Speaker 6>Spygate-style scam. scam and the Seahawks threatening to sue the

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<v Speaker 6>Broncos if they dared to defame the good name of

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<v Speaker 6>the organization.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been juicy.

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<v Speaker 6>It's juicy now and it's two years old. So I

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<v Speaker 6>look at it this way and it all comes down.

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<v Speaker 2>To McDonald and Graham Bensinger.

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<v Speaker 6>They're both at fault here because even though Bensinger didn't

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<v Speaker 6>violate the strict journalistic standard of on and off the record,

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<v Speaker 6>because you're only off the record if both parties agree

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<v Speaker 6>that you're off the record. Even though he didn't violate that,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not a good way to do business because Mike

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<v Speaker 6>McDonald's never going to do another interview with Grant Bensinger.

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<v Speaker 6>And other NFL figures, other sports figures, they're going to

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<v Speaker 6>see this and they're going to say, do I really

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<v Speaker 6>trust this guy? Because I just think it comes down

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<v Speaker 6>to being a fair person.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're getting to know each other. You're talking before

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<v Speaker 2>the interview starts.

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<v Speaker 6>The guy's getting comfortable through this process. You're going to

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<v Speaker 6>use that when he doesn't know and he hasn't consented

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<v Speaker 6>to using it?

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<v Speaker 2>He would have said if.

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<v Speaker 6>You had asked him if it's off the record and

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<v Speaker 6>suitable for publication, he would have said, yes, it's off

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<v Speaker 6>the record and don't publish it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, for McDonald's. point.

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<v Speaker 6>He needs to understand a lesson that many have learned

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<v Speaker 6>over the years. It's like the Miranda warnings when you

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<v Speaker 6>get arrested. Anything you say can and will be used

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<v Speaker 6>against you. You have to make it clear that it's

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<v Speaker 6>off the record. It happened to Sean Payton a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of years ago. He was with Jared Bell of USA Today,

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<v Speaker 6>and he said all kinds of stuff critical of Nathaniel Hackett,

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<v Speaker 6>the former Broncos head coach. It was one thing after another,

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<v Speaker 6>and Payton never said a word about it because Payton

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<v Speaker 6>failed to secure an agreement with that what was being

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<v Speaker 6>said was off the record.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's on the coach. So both sides are to

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<v Speaker 2>blame here. Lesson learned by McDonald, lesson learned by.

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<v Speaker 6>Peyton as to how to control your training camp practices

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<v Speaker 6>when it comes to the presence of people with phones

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<v Speaker 6>who can record your plays.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a nice little story.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, we've had two unusual stories in the past

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<v Speaker 6>two weeks. They both dealt with the Broncos. Last week

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<v Speaker 6>it was the Drew Brees thing, and now we've got

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<v Speaker 6>this McDonald-Peyton thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, did Seattle do anything wrong? Was there any poor

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<v Speaker 5>form shown by the Seahawks in this?

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<v Speaker 2>Not if what they're saying is true.

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<v Speaker 6>If they're just capturing publicly available video that was shot

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<v Speaker 6>by people who were at training camp, that's not a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fair game.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's why we've seen in recent years, there was

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<v Speaker 6>a guy taking video at Vikings training camp.

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<v Speaker 2>He got his credential lifted. So now.

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<v Speaker 6>The accusation apparently was, and you've got to listen to

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<v Speaker 6>it carefully and you've got to watch it a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of times to really understand what McDonnell was saying, Peyton

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<v Speaker 6>seemed to be accusing them of a Michigan-style operation where

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<v Speaker 6>they planted someone at practice who was shooting the video.

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<v Speaker 6>And it wasn't as innocuous as we did a search

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<v Speaker 6>on Twitter and found all these plays, that they actually

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<v Speaker 6>had an operative show up and take practice.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was a legitimate accusation. And to the

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<v Speaker 2>extent that was false.

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<v Speaker 6>That would have been a big mess if Peyton had

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<v Speaker 6>made that public accusation. So everyone learns a lesson here.

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<v Speaker 6>We get something interesting to talk about. The broader picture,

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<v Speaker 6>and I like and respect Mike McDonald. An executive from

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<v Speaker 6>a team not involved in this at all has reached

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<v Speaker 6>out to me multiple times over the past week as

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<v Speaker 6>different pieces of this Bensinger interview have come to light.

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<v Speaker 6>And the observation is, why are you doing this? What

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<v Speaker 6>do you gain from this?

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<v Speaker 2>And some of the stuff he said, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>ask yourself, is he.

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<v Speaker 6>Naive or is he just drunk on the fact that

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<v Speaker 6>they won the Super Bowl and you can do whatever

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<v Speaker 6>you want?

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like the Terry on Arnold thing, right? Terry

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<v Speaker 2>on Arnold.

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<v Speaker 6>Facing eight felony counts, up to life in prison, and

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<v Speaker 6>they don't think twice about the PR hit because they

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<v Speaker 6>just won the Super Bowl and they'll do whatever the hell.

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<v Speaker 6>So that part of it is what's interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 6>The overall psychology of Mike McDonald, given what he's accomplished

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<v Speaker 6>in two years as a head coach, does he learn

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<v Speaker 6>a lesson from this beyond on the record, off the record?

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<v Speaker 2>Does he humble himself a little bit?

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<v Speaker 6>And look, as a member of the media that likes

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<v Speaker 6>to have content, I don't want Mike McDonald to all

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<v Speaker 6>of a sudden not talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. But.

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<v Speaker 6>sometimes you don't do yourself any favors by talking, and

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think you did yourself any favors by agreeing

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<v Speaker 6>to do that interview, even without the snafu that came

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<v Speaker 6>to light yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, those days are over now, at least with

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<v Speaker 4>that guy, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Florio is with us, and Mike, I think in

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<v Speaker 3>this business, you know, there's often times where something comes

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<v Speaker 3>up that we kind of find it's, hey, it's worth

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<v Speaker 3>to speculate about that. Other times, yeah, maybe not even

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<v Speaker 3>worth bringing it up. You thought it was worth speculating

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not John Harbaugh who just lost Jackson Dart

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<v Speaker 3>for maybe the year, may end up giving Colin Kaepernick

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<v Speaker 3>a workout. Tell me why that made sense for you

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<v Speaker 3>to speculate on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it wasn't even speculation.

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<v Speaker 6>It was kind of a sociological experiment because I wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to see if certain people's heads would.

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<v Speaker 2>Explode by the mere mention of Colin Kaepernick.

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<v Speaker 6>And let me give you the quick background here. Kaepernick

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<v Speaker 6>is selling a book, and he's talking to everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have ignored every interview he's done, because in

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<v Speaker 2>my mind, this thing's over. It's 10 years old.

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<v Speaker 6>It's already been talked about, written about, debated. And he

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<v Speaker 6>kept his mouth shut when it was all active and fresh.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not going to help promote his book because all

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<v Speaker 6>of a sudden he's talking a blue streak to anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he wants to sell books.

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<v Speaker 6>He should have been talking in 2017, 2018, 2019 when

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<v Speaker 6>all this stuff was happening. For whatever reason, he kept quiet.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think he would admit, and I think I

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<v Speaker 6>saw one of the interviews he did where he acknowledges

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<v Speaker 6>he should have been actively pushing back against the narrative

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<v Speaker 6>that people were putting out there to justify not giving

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<v Speaker 6>him a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>The only reason I said what I said today. is

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<v Speaker 2>John Harbaugh couldn't resist.

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<v Speaker 6>As all this Kaepernick stuff is coming up again, he

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<v Speaker 6>decided to.

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<v Speaker 2>Add his voice to it, and he.

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<v Speaker 6>Told Ian O'Connor, the athletic, why he wanted to sign

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<v Speaker 6>Kaepernick in 2017. And all these superlatives about Kaepernick, sounding

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<v Speaker 6>a lot like his brother Jim, who had said multiple

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<v Speaker 6>times after the blackballing of Colin Kaepernick began.

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<v Speaker 2>You can win championships with him with an S, right?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just taking the... The comments Harbaugh recently made

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<v Speaker 2>to their logical conclusion. Bring him in for a workout.

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<v Speaker 2>You need a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 6>It costs you nothing to bring the guy in to

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<v Speaker 6>see what he can do. If you were so smitten

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<v Speaker 6>with this guy nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Years ago, bring him in. Just bring him in and

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<v Speaker 2>work him out.

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<v Speaker 6>And prove that you were telling the truth when you

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<v Speaker 6>tried to Take a little bit of the spotlight away.

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<v Speaker 2>Kaepernick's back in the news.

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<v Speaker 6>That's my point. And so it was that. I'm calling

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<v Speaker 6>him on what he said. And it was also part

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<v Speaker 6>sociological experiment because all of the specific people whose heads I.

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<v Speaker 2>Believed would explode did explode because I dared to mention

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<v Speaker 2>Colin Kaepernick.

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<v Speaker 5>Mike, there's quite a spectrum in the responses of Caleb Williams'

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<v Speaker 5>emotional response. outburst after getting injured. There are people that

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<v Speaker 5>are calling him soft and there are other people saying, nah,

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<v Speaker 5>he's just being a passionate professional. Where do you lie there?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll look at it this way.

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<v Speaker 6>If in the immediate aftermath of suffering a real hamstring

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<v Speaker 6>injury during a hard-fought game where he was getting hit

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<v Speaker 6>repeatedly whenever the Vikings could get a clean shot on him,

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<v Speaker 6>I am very impressed that if he was able in

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<v Speaker 6>that moment when he has a legitimate injury to consciously

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<v Speaker 6>remember to embellish it to the point where everyone will

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<v Speaker 6>think he's in line for an amputation.

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<v Speaker 2>Of his leg.

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<v Speaker 6>And if he's that good, just retire from football now

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<v Speaker 6>and go to Hollywood if you're that good. So he

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<v Speaker 6>reacted to what he thought was a serious injury. And

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<v Speaker 6>on top of that was the wear and tear he

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<v Speaker 6>was feeling all day long.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the game.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it was his rookie year. after he was

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<v Speaker 6>facing the Brian Flores defense, they showed him on the

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<v Speaker 6>bench and he's like slumped over, you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 6>demanding sport and you get hit and it hurts. And

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<v Speaker 6>he thought he was seriously injured and he wasn't the

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<v Speaker 6>idea that this was some sort of a ruse being

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<v Speaker 6>perpetrated by him in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it's kind of ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 6>I understand why people would think, but I think it's

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<v Speaker 6>kind of ridiculous to believe he had the presence of

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<v Speaker 6>mind to ham it up in that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Mike Florio is with us on the radio show and, Mike,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess the other story coming out of the Monday

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<v Speaker 3>night game is that, hey, man, maybe the Rams did

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<v Speaker 3>make a mistake in flying out to Australia so late,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe they really are going to be awesome. They

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<v Speaker 3>put a show on on Monday night, and then Sean

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<v Speaker 3>McVay comes out and makes fun of himself, right, calls

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<v Speaker 3>himself a dumbass coach for putting the Rams in harm's

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<v Speaker 3>way by making the travel schedule what it was. Did

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<v Speaker 3>you see what we all expected that we would see

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<v Speaker 3>from the Rams on Monday night, one of the elite

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<v Speaker 3>teams in the NFL?

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<v Speaker 6>I wasn't sure what to expect because I didn't know

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<v Speaker 6>how that barnstorming in and out of Melbourne was going

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<v Speaker 6>to affect them on the back end.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, it helped that Jackson.

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<v Speaker 6>Dart wasn't able to play the whole game and that

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<v Speaker 6>Jameis Winston looked like he wasn't ready to come in

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<v Speaker 6>and play 11 for 27, 111 yards at an interception where...

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<v Speaker 6>If he gets the ball in Malik Nabors' vicinity, Nabors

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<v Speaker 6>has a good chance of catching it for a touchdown.

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<v Speaker 6>So I don't know what to think of what I

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<v Speaker 6>saw Monday night because, number one, the Giants didn't have

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<v Speaker 6>their quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>And number two, with no Puka Nakua on the field,

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<v Speaker 2>how many.

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<v Speaker 6>Passes does Devontae Adams have to catch before you double-team him?

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<v Speaker 6>Did the Giants just assume this guy's old, he's not

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<v Speaker 6>going to kill us, and then as he's killing them,

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<v Speaker 6>it's like, ah, he's old, he's not going to kill us?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fluke, it's a fluke, it's a fluke. At

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<v Speaker 2>some point, it's not a fluke. At some point, he's

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<v Speaker 2>killing you, and you've got to do something about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've got nobody else to receive it.

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<v Speaker 6>They've got Canute, Mumfield, and Tutu out well. No disrespect

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<v Speaker 6>to them. They each had one catch on the night, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to bother to throw it to them.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't even bother to try to look for them

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<v Speaker 6>if Devontae Adams is open and he keeps getting fed

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<v Speaker 6>enough passes that he has 195 receiving yards and two touchdowns. So.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's see what happens when the Rams play the Seahawks.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see what.

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<v Speaker 6>Happens when the Rams play the 49ers again. Let's see

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<v Speaker 6>what happens when the Rams continue this journey. I think

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<v Speaker 6>Monday night they just had the football gods smiling on

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<v Speaker 6>them in the form of the Giants injuries and the

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<v Speaker 6>inexplicable failure to react to the fact that Devontae Adams

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<v Speaker 6>was playing like it was 2021.

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<v Speaker 4>Mike, you're the man. This really was enjoyable for me,

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<v Speaker 4>and I look forward to it every Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't compliment him.

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<v Speaker 4>He doesn't want that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you do.

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<v Speaker 5>Goodbye. See you, man.

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<v Speaker 6>Bye.

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<v Speaker 4>Mike Florio with us. I'm killing him with kindness, Dick.

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<v Speaker 4>Every Wednesday. We're going to break.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got a lot more to get to on a busy,

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<v Speaker 3>busy Wednesday right here on 93.3 KJRFM.