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Speaker 2: I actually texted Petros this morning and I said, hey,

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Speaker 2: Mike Florio Thursday, Bratboon Thursday, all to make way for

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Speaker 2: By the way, as I am people, Are you getting

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Speaker 2: Kim all right. The annual Mother Millan mock draft sign

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Speaker 2: on our page right They're right there. Go to Jackson's Twitter,

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Speaker 2: if we're not growing the audience here, that we're in

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Speaker 2: big trouble. By the way, Jackson, if everybody tuning in

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Speaker 2: Every sports talk radio station around the country either did

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta find the right recipe, no question about that. Well,

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Speaker 2: John Harlowe is the new ad at Washington State. Second

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Speaker 1: Joe, let me ask you this honestly.

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Speaker 2: Well, John Wilner with US Sennes, Mercury and News. All

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Speaker 2: with a wild tonight pregame four thirty. And Dick's not here,

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Speaker 2: to pin down the biggest reason why ratings for the

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Speaker 2: tournament were up this year, what would you say.

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Speaker 3: I'd say all those things are part of it, but

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Speaker 3: the biggest one is to change in how Nielsen measures

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Speaker 3: audience because that was the case in college football, it

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Speaker 3: was a case in MLB, NBA. I mean, the ratings

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Speaker 3: are up for everything, and that's it's not a coincidence

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Speaker 3: that Nielsen now is collecting and the panel thing or

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Speaker 3: the big data thing is what it's the out of home,

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Speaker 3: it's the sports bars and they are now collecting. It

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Speaker 3: was just like top sixty markets nationally and now they

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Speaker 3: have gone beyond sixty to like the top one hundred,

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Speaker 3: So they are incorporating a lot of college towns in

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Speaker 3: their measuring that they didn't do that before. So to me,

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Speaker 3: that is that is number one by far. Next spring

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Speaker 3: will probably have a better idea because we can make

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Speaker 3: an apples to apples comparison from this spring to next spring.

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Speaker 1: Now that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Well, John, before you go, Mike the COURSI you know,

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Speaker 2: Mike Hall of fame basketball writer, he's going to be

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Speaker 2: with us, said four o'clock, And I want to ask Kim.

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Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on this because you know,

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Speaker 2: for years and years and years and years and years,

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Speaker 2: it was the SEC is so good, the SEC is

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Speaker 2: the king. The SEC's donoinant dominant. Well, now the Big

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Speaker 2: Ten has the current champion and men's and women's basketball,

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Speaker 2: and in football, which I think that's only happened one

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Speaker 2: other time, and that was like maybe fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: Whatever in the SEC is.

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Speaker 2: The Big two thousand and seven two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 2: thank you? Is the Big Ten now officially overtaken the

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Speaker 2: SEC as the Grand Pooba of college sports.

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Speaker 3: I actually published a column about this very thing this morning.

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Speaker 3: Right now. Yes, the question to me is how long

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Speaker 3: will it last? Clearly there is a direct connection between

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Speaker 3: the NIL era, the portal era, and the Big Tens rise.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know that it is going to be

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Speaker 3: a fixed existence for the next five ten years. I

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Speaker 3: suspect the SEC will will come back. And the thing

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Speaker 3: about the basketball is, you know, exactly a year ago

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Speaker 3: today the SEC won the national championship with Florida and

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Speaker 3: had two teams in the final four. So I don't

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Speaker 3: think you can really say in basketball like you can

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Speaker 3: in football. There's a trend. But clearly the landscape has

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Speaker 3: changed and it favors the Big Ten. Bigger media markets,

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Speaker 3: more big business fortune five hundred companies, bigger alumni bases.

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Speaker 3: All of those things skew toward the Big Ten in

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Speaker 3: this new era.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, not to be insensitive, because this is

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Speaker 2: a real thing. But there's also one thing that stands

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Speaker 2: out to me, and that is that there's way more

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Speaker 2: poor people that live in the South than they do the.

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Speaker 1: Midwest and the West coast.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at going back to twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: three average income per capita, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Alabama,

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Speaker 2: Tennessee all ranked, South Carolina all ranked near the bottom.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a real factor.

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Speaker 2: If this is going to be about money from here

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Speaker 2: on out, isn't the SEC in trouble because they just

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Speaker 2: don't have as much?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's certainly some concern about that of

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Speaker 3: the SEC footprint or the GDP of the Big ten

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Speaker 3: footprint is fifty percent greater than the GDP of the

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Speaker 3: SEC footprint. So yes, that's a concern. And that's also

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Speaker 3: that's one reason Nick Saban quit because he knew nil

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Speaker 3: was coming. Alabama is not they don't have a Cody Campbell,

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Speaker 3: they don't have a Phil Knight, they don't have a

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Speaker 3: bunch of fortune five hundred companies, And he knew it

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Speaker 3: was going to be harder for Alabama financially in the

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Speaker 3: NIL and revenue sharing era. That's one reason he hung

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Speaker 3: it up. And yes it is a long term concern

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Speaker 3: for the SEC, but they also I just get back

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Speaker 3: to that's where all the players are, right, especially the lineman,

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Speaker 3: and I think that the geography will help them counterbalance

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Speaker 3: the big tens advantage in wealth and the other pieces. Again,

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Speaker 3: we're going to get to a collective bargaining era, I

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Speaker 3: believe in the next few years.

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Speaker 1: John, great as always, man. Appreciate you being flexible.

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Speaker 2: By the way, next Tuesday, five o'clock normal time, we'll

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Speaker 2: chat then.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate this pal, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: All right, John Wilner with us all courtesy of our

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Speaker 2: friends at simply Seattle dot com. By the way, if

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Speaker 2: gonna break Mike to Corsi's Sporting News talk from College

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Speaker 2: hoops after last night's Yukon win.

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Speaker 1: What does you excuse me a Michigan win?

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Speaker 2: What does he make of the spat by the way

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Speaker 2: between Geno's and Dawn gino Rim and Don Staley of

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Speaker 2: South Carolina. I think it actually might be good for

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Speaker 2: women's basketball. I mean that more people talk about the sport.

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Speaker 2: That's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: We'll get that coming up at four next segment. So

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Speaker 2: we're gonna tell you how you can win a pair

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Speaker 1: And r Flmation Specialists Broadcast Studio.

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Speaker 4: Now back to Softie and Dick on your Home for

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Speaker 1: All right, we're back, Mike the chorus. You're gonna join us.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next segment talk some college basketball. Dick is

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Speaker 2: out today, Yes it's true.

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Speaker 1: This man has no dick.

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Speaker 2: You're milling and tomorrow Mike McDonald will join us tomorrow

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Speaker 2: at three point thirty on the radio shows, so stay

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Speaker 2: tuned for that. Humlon joins tomorrow, Thursday and Friday. I

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Speaker 2: think next Friday, by the way, we make our debut

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six at Cheney Stadium. So we'll be

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Speaker 2: down there for the Rainiers. We've gotta get you down there,

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Speaker 2: by the way, Jackson Food, Well, that's the thing is

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Speaker 2: that I just need to find a way to just

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Speaker 2: sample and.

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Speaker 1: Not eat everything they put in front of my face

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Speaker 1: hard though.

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Speaker 2: Well I just saw where and you're a big you're

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Speaker 2: a big foodie guy, right, Okay, I saw where. The

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Speaker 2: god who is at the Atlanta Braves came out with

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Speaker 2: a brand new burger. It's an inch burger called the Backflip.

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Speaker 2: Two pounds of beef patties, short rib, crispy pork belly, cheese, onions,

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Speaker 2: green leaf tomato, fried egg, all stacked on a toasted

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Speaker 2: brioche bud. And I'm getting diabetes just looking at this thing,

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Speaker 2: all right, it is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So that's the kind of stuff that you'll get when

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Speaker 2: you go to Cheney Stadium this spring and summer. And

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Speaker 2: they always like to let us sample, by the way,

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Speaker 2: So we'll get you down there at some point. But hey,

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Speaker 2: speaking of baseball, we got tickets to join the EMS

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Speaker 2: on Friday for h er Row Replica Statue Night, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by BDA first forty thousand fans got a

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Speaker 2: replica of the iconic statue that will stand forever outside

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Speaker 2: t Mobile Park at your tickets now at Mariners dot com.

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Speaker 2: So here's the deal. I am tired tired of just

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Speaker 2: giving stuff away on the air. All right, You people

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Speaker 2: need to work for the gifts that we provide here

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Speaker 2: daily on this radio station.

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Speaker 1: Here's what we got. We got two pairs of tickets. Right.

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Speaker 2: What I want you to do is just text in

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Speaker 2: your first and last name and the answer to this question,

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Speaker 2: how do you want to figure out who wins? By

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Speaker 2: the way, first two people, I'm gonna say the first two.

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Speaker 2: First two? Okay, fine, So, because it's each he row,

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Speaker 2: we want you to combine his Major League and Japanese

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Speaker 2: hit totals and then send us the number. How many

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Speaker 2: more hits would he have than Pete Rose if you

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Speaker 2: could combine the two of them, If we could make

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Speaker 2: each hero of the all time hit King, how many

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Speaker 2: more hits would each hero have than Pete Rose? The

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Speaker 2: Major leagues, the Japanese League, you look online, you get

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Speaker 2: those numbers, You combine them, and then you subtract Pete Rose,

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Speaker 2: and you tell us how many more hits would each

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Speaker 2: hero have than Charlie Hustle texting your first and last

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Speaker 2: name and that specific number right now to four nine,

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Speaker 2: four to five one? First two correct answers? When take

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Speaker 2: it's for fright now? Listen, everybody you're driving, you're hearing this.

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Speaker 2: Pull off to the side of the road before you

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Speaker 2: open up Google Chrome or whatever Internet Explorer and then

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Speaker 2: you pull up your calculator. Be safe about this because

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Speaker 2: this will take some math, folks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I think if you can do a lot of driving,

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Speaker 2: I'll throw in some extra prizes for you.

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Speaker 1: Bat right, it's not good four nine, four or five one.

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Speaker 1: We want to know the number.

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Speaker 2: What's the number if we were to combine each Euro's Judge,

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Speaker 2: Japan and American hit totals, how many more hits would

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Speaker 2: he have than Pete Rose? All we need is that

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Speaker 2: one number, all right, don't be giving us your math.

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Speaker 2: Don't be given us your long division. Is it that

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Speaker 2: confusing to give us the number? How many more hits

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Speaker 2: would each hero have than Pete Rose if you could

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Speaker 2: combine the two? So send that number in right now.

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Speaker 2: Let's be very very clear about this thing, Michael. And

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of We're not looking for the number

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Speaker 2: of total hits each.

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Speaker 1: Row would have. We want the number. We want the math,

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Speaker 1: how many more hits?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you gotta do some work for this, pell right,

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Speaker 2: I mean it brings up the question how much did

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Speaker 2: you retain from high school? How much math you remember

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Speaker 2: from junior high I'm telling you right now, if I

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Speaker 2: had to go back and I had to do a

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Speaker 2: geometry test from like sophomore year in high school, I

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Speaker 2: would flunk it miserably.

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Speaker 1: I have no freaking idea what the hell I was doing.

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Speaker 2: Man, So get those Just get that number, the difference

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Speaker 2: and hits, the total number of hits that each ero

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Speaker 2: would have more than Pete rose.

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Speaker 1: That one number is what we want. I'm impressed. We

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Speaker 1: have our winners, good, and we have their names. We

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Speaker 1: could say their names right now if we want to. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's just do this.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's announce the winners before we talk to the

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Speaker 2: coursing next sex all right, So we'll do that right now,

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Speaker 2: and we'll announce the winners next segment. We also have

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Speaker 2: the mock draft sign ups by the way up and

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Speaker 2: running at ninety three three KJR dot com. We don't

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Speaker 2: know yet where the mock draft is going to be.

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Speaker 2: It might be right here in the studio. It could

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Speaker 2: be at Jackson's house in Tacoma. It could be at

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Speaker 2: Faint's house in Normandy Park, could be at Dick Bird's cabin.

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Speaker 2: We have no idea where it's going to be. But

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Speaker 2: just go to the website. You want to take part

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Speaker 2: in the mock draft. Sign up right now. Ninety three

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Speaker 2: three kJ R. By the way, speaking of numbers, I

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Speaker 2: know this is a very elementary way of doing this.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday and this is before cal Rawley's home run, I

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Speaker 2: was just look at numbers from last year, not this

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Speaker 2: year because it's only been eleven damn games. But we're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk some baseball obviously tomorrow on the radio show

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Speaker 2: with Millen and get some thoughts on this start. The

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Speaker 2: Mariners are having their last seven games, Jackson. They have

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Speaker 2: scored more than three runs one time in their last

657
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Speaker 2: seven games, and that was again they lost in extra innings,

658
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: eight to seven. So they really their offense is kind

659
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: of doing what their offense does in April. They're kind

660
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: of starting in the toilet, right. I mean, they got

661
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: a hard time hitting in the fall. They got a

662
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: hard time hitting in the spring, apparently before it gets

663
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: to seventy five degrees. But my big thing with cal

664
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: Rawley this whole year has been, look, nobody's expecting the

665
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,239
Speaker 2: guy to hit sixty home runs again. It took one

666
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 2: hundred and whatever jillion years for a catcher to hit

667
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: sixty home runs. To expect it twice, okay, in consecutive

668
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: seasons is ridiculous. But the question is can cal Rawley

669
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Speaker 2: become a more well rounded hitter? And I don't know

670
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: if he can. And honestly, I don't know. Larry Stone's

671
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: going to join us on the year tomorrow at five o'clock.

672
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: We could ask him the guy's going to be thirty

673
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: in November. So what I did I realized there's going

674
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: to be some baseball dork out there, some nerd who

675
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: will say that's not the way it works, that's not

676
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: how it's done. Andrews might be the first one to

677
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 2: text in, by the way and say that, yeah, okay,

678
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: So I just took out all of Aaron Judges home runs.

679
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: I took out all of cal Rowley's home runs. I

680
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: took out all the abs obviously from those home runs,

681
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: and I just looked at what their on base percentages

682
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: would have been without homers. Aaron Judges on base percentage

683
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: without bombs last year was four to eleven. Cal Rowley

684
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 2: drops to three oh one, one hundred and ten points

685
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: lower than Aaron Judge, and I just wonder it's why

686
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: I had no problem with Aaron Judge winning the MVP,

687
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: because I think he's a much more well rounded hitter

688
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: than Cal Raley. If you look at Baseball Reference and

689
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: somebody mentioned this, I may have been Larry on the

690
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: show last week. All the black that shows up which

691
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: is bolded for how many times guy led the league

692
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: in that category. Aaron Judge has black all over his

693
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: stat sheet, all over the place.

694
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Speaker 1: Kyle Raley does not.

695
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: Kyle Rowley's home run strikeout and I just don't know

696
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: at the age of almost thirty years old in November.

697
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 2: This November Jackson, if Kyle Rawley will ever be able

698
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: to be a more well rounded hitter or if this

699
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: is just who he is now, which is fine. The

700
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: guy's going to be a forty home run hitter on

701
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: average thirty five plus bombs every single year, then great,

702
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Speaker 2: But I'm looking forward to having that talk with Larry

703
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: Stone tomorrow at five all right, well announced the winners.

704
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: Two people got it right right off the bat, the

705
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: total number of hits? How many more hits would each

706
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: Ziro have than Pete Rose if we were allowed to

707
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: combine what happened in Japan and what happened in the States.

708
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: Will award those people tickets for the each Heiro replica

709
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Speaker 2: statue unit. Next on ninety three three KJRFM, It's.

710
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Speaker 4: Time for the latest on the madness of March. Here's

711
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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame college basketball writer for The Sporting News

712
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: and Fox Sports lead brocketologist Mike de Corsi. Brought to

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718
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Speaker 4: de Corsi, here's Safti and Dick.

719
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Speaker 2: All right, boys and girls, here we go, uh for

720
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: one final time during the college basketball season. We had

721
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: planned to do this on yesterday's show, but then I

722
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: thought to myself, well, Hey, what the heck if we're

723
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: waiting until Monday.

724
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: We can wait until Tuesday and get Mike.

725
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: De Corsi's thoughts on how the National Championship game went

726
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: and how the final four went. So here he is,

727
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: one final time, courtesy of our friends at Northwest Handling Systems,

728
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: the legend himself gracing us with his presence from the

729
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Speaker 2: Sporting News Hall of Fame writer Mike de Corsi, Michael,

730
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: how are you man?

731
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 5: I am well, soft as well as one can be

732
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 5: on three hours.

733
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Speaker 2: Listen, man, There's only a few that can do it,

734
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: and only a few were that can do it in

735
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: the state that you're in right now, man. So it

736
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: is a talent, no question about it. Why don't we

737
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 2: just start with your thoughts on what you saw last night?

738
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: Michigan wins their first National championship since they came here

739
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: in eighty nine with an interim guy named Steve Fisher

740
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: in Seattle, Rameo Robinson, Glenn Rice, Sean Higgins, Terry Mills,

741
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: Lloyd Vatt, the whole team, and here we are now

742
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 2: and they've won it again under second year coach Dusty May.

743
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: What'd you make what you saw last night?

744
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 5: Well? I think you have to give a lot of

745
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 5: credit to Dusty May. For being able to get this done.

746
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 5: And I know that there are a lot of people

747
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 5: who are critical of this and look at it as

748
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 5: transactional because you had four first year starters who were

749
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 5: transfer portal imports. But to be able to take those

750
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 5: four players and make them into a unit along with

751
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 5: the players who remained, like the Mari Burnett and wil

752
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 5: Cheddar and LJ. Cason before he was hurt. To take

753
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 5: those players and make them into a unit where they

754
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 5: really care about one another and they are really playing

755
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 5: toward the same goal. Some of that was pretty easily

756
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 5: accomplished because his best player, Jaxel Lindeborg, might be the

757
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 5: best team player that I've come across in a long time.

758
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a young man who really wanted to win,

759
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 5: who was willing to do whatever, who didn't care about

760
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 5: how many points he scored. And one of the beauties

761
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 5: of that as well is the fact that Yaksha was

762
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 5: a national champion now and he was a first team

763
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 5: All American and he averaged like fourteen and a half points.

764
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 5: So if you do the right things, like whatever your

765
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 5: agent or your AAU coach is telling you about how

766
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 5: many shots you need to get here's a guy who

767
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 5: was a first team All American and he scored fourteen

768
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 5: points and he was a Union Animates All American. It

769
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 5: wasn't just the coaches, it wasn't just the writers. We

770
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 5: all saw it. We all saw the impact he had

771
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 5: and he was he was across the board. All the

772
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 5: four major teams, Sporting News, n ABC, USBWA, the basketball writers,

773
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 5: and the AP all selected him because he was that great.

774
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 5: So a lot of cool stuff there. I was really

775
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 5: pleased by that. And I thought that one of the

776
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 5: other things I really liked, because I've been on this

777
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 5: for years, is the importance of the point guard. And

778
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 5: it was escalated recently by Duke falling out of the

779
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 5: tournament again trying to get by without a point guard.

780
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Speaker 5: And I asked Dusty last night why he believed in

781
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 5: Elliott Cado, because Elliott was a big time recruit to

782
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 5: McDonald's and all that, but he was really not very

783
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 5: good at North Carolina, and North Carolina was not very

784
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 5: good around him. And I said, like, what was it

785
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: that you saw and he said, well, we've seen it

786
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 5: in high school. We liked them, and and we uh talk.

787
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 5: We talked to one of his assistant coaches who I

788
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 5: had coached in aau Sean May and he said he

789
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 5: just absolutely loved them. And the other thing was why

790
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 5: did they go after Elliott, which was he said we

791
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 5: needed a pass first point guard. And I've always said,

792
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 5: you need, you need to have a quarterback. You can't.

793
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 5: You can win a lot of games in college basketball

794
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 5: out of Michigan DD a year ago. They ran their

795
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 5: offense through a young man named Danny Woolf who is

796
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 5: now in the NBA. And he came from Yale and

797
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 5: he was six eleven and a really nice passer, and

798
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 5: they ran their offense through him because that's what they had.

799
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 5: But they wanted to win it and they knew they

800
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 5: couldn't do it without that. And I've said for years,

801
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 5: you have to have that, and there's proof right there.

802
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: Well, Mike, the course is with us, and I think

803
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: I think for games like last night, you know, there's

804
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: a lesson for everybody around college basketball, and that is

805
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: how do you do it right? How do you do

806
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: it in today's age? How do you do it if

807
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 2: you want to make a Final four? I was impressed

808
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: when I saw Michigan. I saw him play in person. Mike,

809
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 2: they came through here a couple months ago against Washington,

810
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: and I left the game thinking, man, those guys are

811
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: playing in another level. And when I mean another level,

812
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: I mean like vertically another level. They were like trees, man,

813
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: they were and you saw that last night, right, They're

814
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: swatting everything away, they're getting boards, they're they're tall. But

815
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: like you said, they did it with transfer guys. Danny

816
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 2: Sprinkle's gonna lose his entire roster again. Everyone's taken off

817
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: and he's gonna have to go back to the portal

818
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: all over again. Arizona did it a little bit differently

819
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: with kind of a mix of guys.

820
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Speaker 1: So is there a secret sauce to this? How do

821
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: you do it? How do you bet a winner?

822
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I really believe this, and people may

823
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 5: disagree and think that, well, you just go out and

824
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 5: get you know, you get Moris Johnson, you get you

825
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 5: get to Yaxle, as I mentioned, you get Elliott Caddoh,

826
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 5: you get a day Mara and that and that'll be enough.

827
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 5: But I really believe that one of the reasons why

828
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 5: it worked.

829
00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 3: Now.

830
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 5: Amari Burnette was a tre answer as well, but he'd

831
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 5: been at Michigan for a long time when he'd been

832
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 5: I think there for two years when Dusty came in

833
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 5: and they kept him. I mean, he would have been

834
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 5: easily discardable because he wasn't a big producer. You could

835
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 5: have said, oh, I can get more points out of

836
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 5: my shooting guard than that, Let's go get somebody else.

837
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 5: But they liked him. He was a character guy. Will

838
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 5: Cheddar now a five year guy three years by the

839
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 5: time Dusty gets there. Really nice eighth ninth man to have.

840
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 5: He turned into a terrific senior leader, even though he

841
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 5: wasn't playing a ton. I don't know if they showed

842
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 5: it on the broadcast because I was there, but I

843
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 5: watched them as the as the first half ended and

844
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 5: the buzzer sounds and they're up for I think, and

845
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 5: they hadn't played great at all, and Will is the

846
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 5: one who gets them in a huddle and we asked, okay,

847
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 5: what was said, and it was just a basic message

848
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 5: about Okay, we didn't play a great half, but we're ahead,

849
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 5: and we're gonna have a better standard for the second half.

850
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 5: And here's what we you know, we got to be

851
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 5: involved and engaged. So it's just basically, but he's the one,

852
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 5: a guy who played maybe fourteen minutes a game. He's

853
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 5: the one that was leading, and he would have been

854
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 5: easy to run out, and Dusty didn't do that. And

855
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 5: so I think it's important that you have that, that

856
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 5: you have people who were in this case what I

857
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 5: invested in the block m At some other school, like

858
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 5: at Indiana, it might be the candy stripe pants and

859
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 5: whatever your school's thing is. At Polly, it might be

860
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 5: the banners that are hanging. But you have to have

861
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 5: people that care about that stuff or you're not winning

862
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 5: the biggest games. It's just you have to have these

863
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 5: components to win it. And that's I think that now

864
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 5: has become it. Before it was a given because you

865
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 5: didn't have all this transferring. But I still believe very

866
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 5: strongly that if you're turning the whole thing over, I mean,

867
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 5: you can win and you can get good, but if

868
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 5: you're talking about winning these games these last two or three,

869
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 5: I think you have to have a culture.

870
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 1: Well.

871
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: Mike Decursi with US Sporting News Michigan with a sixty

872
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: nine to sixty three win over yukon last night, the

873
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: Big ten.

874
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: Mike now owns all.

875
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: Three of what you could maybe argue, are the biggest

876
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 2: sports in college athletics, men's and women's basketball and football, right.

877
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: I mean there's some context here because UCLA just joined

878
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: the conference two years ago. But UCLA's women's team, Indiana's

879
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: football team, and now Michigan's basketball team, they own all three.

880
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: I believe it's the first time the Big Ten's ever

881
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: done that, maybe the second time ever, like since the SEC.

882
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: I guess the question is now, is the Big Ten

883
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 2: the big Daddy? Has the Big Ten moved past the SEC?

884
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: Is the dominant conference now in college sports?

885
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: Oh?

886
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 5: For now?

887
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 3: Yeah?

888
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 5: Absolutely? And they also believe. I believe Penn State won

889
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 5: the wrestling and I think they have a team in

890
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 5: the Frozen Four this weekend, maybe more than one.

891
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: I I've been a little buried.

892
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 5: My head's been a little burried.

893
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: Nobody cares about hockey, so they'd say go ahead, and well.

894
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 5: That's okay, because that's just an excuse, softie, that's all

895
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 5: it is.

896
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: Right.

897
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 5: But then baseball, I think they have a couple of

898
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 5: teams in softball they've been very good, so maybe they'll

899
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 5: even do more. But I think it's reflecting the fact

900
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 5: that the SEC and the Big Ten have separated themselves

901
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 5: a little economically, or maybe a lot, if you want

902
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 5: to look at it that way. But so you're going

903
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 5: to see them do well. And that's why people like

904
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 5: Cody Campbell are trying to get it passed so that

905
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 5: the SEC and Big ten don't get to keep all

906
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 5: their money, which is preposterous, but I guess you try

907
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 5: what you can try. Yeah, the whole the whole concept

908
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 5: of his approach and doing, you know, doing. He's got

909
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 5: enough money to do TV commercials, but he can't make

910
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 5: up the difference unfortunately, between what the SEC and Big

911
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 5: ten get paid for their television rights and what the

912
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 5: Big twelve his Texas Tech school does, right well.

913
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: Mike de Coursi with US Sporting News after Michigan's win

914
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: last night in the National Championship Game.

915
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: It feels like there's.

916
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: More people, though, Mike, that are talking about Geno Arima

917
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: versus Don Staley than they are UCLA's championship on the

918
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: women's side or Michigan's championship on the men's side. A

919
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 2: lot of people have written about that. I saw Jerry

920
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 2: Brewer's article, by the way, but what do you think?

921
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: What's your take is a long time callvinch Basketball Observer

922
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: on Geno versus Dawn, Well, I just can't.

923
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 5: I don't understand how you can get to be seventy two.

924
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 5: So you've been around for a while, you would presumably

925
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 5: be mature at that point, and you've won what is it,

926
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 5: twelve of these already, so it's not like this was

927
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 5: your one shot. And to go out and go out

928
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 5: that way and act so childish reprehensible. If you decide,

929
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 5: like here's the thing, if you decide after the game

930
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 5: you want to shake her hand. I don't have a

931
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 5: problem with that. I mean, it's like, that's your call,

932
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 5: but you don't confront her, and you don't beerate her.

933
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 5: As she is trying to enjoy something that she has

934
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 5: worked her entire career, but also this entire season to

935
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 5: try to get to the championship game. She shouldn't have

936
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 5: to cope with you being mad because you didn't get

937
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 5: your handshaken or whatever. I mean, it was ridiculous and

938
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 5: it's no way for an adult to act in any circumstance.

939
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 5: His apology. A lot of people had a problem with

940
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 5: the apology because they didn't mention don in particular, and

941
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 5: I think that's fair because it was down he affronted.

942
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 5: It wasn't South. He didn't affront the pul Meadow tree man.

943
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 5: It was Dawn that he did, and he couldn't even

944
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 5: apologize to her upfront. I found the whole episode just

945
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 5: so juvenile. It's hard for me to believe that it

946
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 5: came from somebody who's been around as long as Gino has.

947
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, let me get one already. We got

948
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: like one minute left.

949
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on this because I

950
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: was looking up the history mic of NCAA tournament expansion

951
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 2: and expansion is inevitable, right, It's like Thanos, It's going

952
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 2: to happen.

953
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: Okay, They went from eight to.

954
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: Sixteen, thirty years later I believe, went to thirty two,

955
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: ten years later, went to sixty four, twenty six years later,

956
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: went to sixty five, ten years later, went to sixty eight,

957
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,959
Speaker 2: and now fifteen years later here we are talking about

958
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: seventy six. Is this going to happen? And if it

959
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: does happen, when does it ever end?

960
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 5: I'll tell you when it ends when they do this,

961
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 5: because I think I'll tell you why. Because right now

962
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 5: they're getting ten million or so on average for the

963
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 5: early round games, watch the ratings, fall day watch. I mean,

964
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 5: that's what's going to happen, because when what boggles my

965
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 5: mind is that you can be paid hundreds of thousands,

966
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 5: if not millions of dollars to be an athletic administrator

967
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 5: and you can't understand something as basic against the bracket.

968
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 5: The bracket is magic, and it's magic because it fits

969
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 5: on one piece of paper and it's easily comprehensible. Even

970
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 5: if you don't follow the sport. You can write down

971
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 5: all the names and hope you get it right. And

972
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 5: lots of people who don't follow the sport write the

973
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 5: correct names down and get it right and do well,

974
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 5: and they get involved in March and they get engaged.

975
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 5: And to overlook that because you can get an extra

976
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 5: two or three million dollars per team is just unbelievable.

977
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 5: And I know that the networks who will have to

978
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 5: pay that money don't want to do this because they

979
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 5: know it's bad for their business, but the people on

980
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 5: the other end are squeezing them and forcing them into it.

981
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 5: And I'm telling you, if they said to the TV networks,

982
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 5: do you want to pay for this? And TV networks

983
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 5: said no, that would be the end of it, but

984
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 5: they kept coming back because it's bad business. And like,

985
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 5: if you're in the business of college athletics and you

986
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 5: don't understand the business of college athletics, then why are

987
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 5: you in the business of college athletics.

988
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well said my friend. Hey, this was fun.

989
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: I would love to catch up a couple times over

990
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 2: the off season. We're going to start saving our pennies

991
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: to have you back next year during the tournament. But

992
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: it's not the same without having you on the air

993
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: talking to college basketball.

994
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: Man.

995
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: You make much fun for a lot of people up

996
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: here in Seattle. Man, so great stuff as always, and

997
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: enjoy the off season. We'll talk very soon.

998
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 5: Man, it's always my pleasure. You know how much I

999
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 5: appreciate you too in the entire Seattle community. And thank

1000
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 5: you for having me visit again this year.

1001
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: It was a delight