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Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Mullaggor ESPN fifteen thirty with Tony Pike. It's

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Speaker 3: the Tony and Mo Football Show from Twin Peaks in Westchester.

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Speaker 3: We are here until six o'clock. We're back in Florence

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Speaker 3: next week. We have the anatomy of a collapse to

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Speaker 3: get to. After the Bengals melt down in the fourth

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Speaker 3: quarter in Buffalo yesterday, Bengals falling to four and nine

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Speaker 3: with the loss of the Bills, there are.

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Speaker 2: A ton of things to get to today.

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Speaker 3: Between now and six o'clock, we will take a college

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Speaker 3: basketball detour a little bit later.

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Speaker 4: On invited Richard Patino here today on the show earlier.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he'll show up.

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Speaker 4: The winners can go first. If Richard wants to come, yeah,

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Speaker 4: he can come. Talk about the show out. Does he

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Speaker 4: some time. There's another player that's another person that probably

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Speaker 3: Jermaine Burton's welcome to come to Twin Peaks in Westchester.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to him in just a second. We've got

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Speaker 3: the college football playoff the Bengals game. Lots of Bengal

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Speaker 3: stuff to get to between now and six o'clock if

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Speaker 3: to get to right off I seventy five, The Union

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Speaker 3: Center Boulevard exit. Now we're going to carry Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 3: press conference in its entirety late in the show, in

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Speaker 3: the five o'clock hour, just because I don't want him

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Speaker 3: messing up our clock, and we have stuff that we

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Speaker 3: want to get to right away. But there is news

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Speaker 3: from the venue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium. Here's

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor addressing Jermaine Burton, the Jermaine Burton situation.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, the Jermaine Burton suspension just for that game.

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Speaker 5: So we're releasing Jermaine today. What led to that decision,

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Speaker 5: just decision to make. We just made it and release

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Speaker 5: him and move on and wish him the best.

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Speaker 3: Jermaine Burton's Bengals career comes to an end with him

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Speaker 3: taking with him to the casino or the next department

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Speaker 3: he gets evicted from, or wherever he goes next.

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Speaker 2: Four catches, four catches.

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Speaker 3: Some weird illnesses. Ankle was messed up. Four catches, plays

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Speaker 3: in fourteen games. Four catches, not active for any game

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Speaker 3: this season. Didn't make the trip to Buffalo this weekend,

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Speaker 3: suspended for the Bills game.

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Speaker 4: He has been not actually four games MO in which

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Speaker 4: Jamar Chase was suspended in which t Higgins had to

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Speaker 4: I'm extremely curious to wonder what in fact happened, yeah,

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Speaker 4: to lead to the suspension.

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Speaker 2: But you're you're the only one because I care less this.

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Speaker 4: This is the type of move that a serious organization

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Speaker 4: It's just it's it's one more thing to pile on

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Speaker 4: to a season that has kind of just unfolded the

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Speaker 2: So there's that.

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Speaker 3: Also, Trey Hendrickson, according to Zach Taylor, is going to

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Speaker 4: Is out for Sunday's game against Baltimore. Can I just ask,

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Speaker 4: three weeks. Do you watch the Reds? He paid tention

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Speaker 4: to Cincinna Red's nationally. That's four weeks They didn't think

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Speaker 4: many games has he missed?

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Speaker 4: I mean this far into it is now when we're saying, okay,

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Speaker 3: He got hurt in the Jets game is when he

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Speaker 4: So again, why has this second opinion or why has

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Speaker 4: last couple of weeks? I told you before the show,

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Speaker 4: I think they win yesterday with Trey Hendrickson. I have

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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson's on that defense. Yesterday, they do enough to

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Speaker 3: It would seem as if Trey Hendrickson has played his

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Speaker 3: final game in a Bengals You think so. And even

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Speaker 3: before we found this news out, I had something I

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Speaker 4: The show that we'll get to that's Trey related.

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Speaker 3: But there are the two big stories coming from Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor's press conference. Jermaine Burton done Trey Hendrickson out off

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Speaker 3: to see a specialist, the latest chapter in what has

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Speaker 3: been a weird season for Trey in twenty twenty five. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: the collapse in Buffalo yesterday the Bengals, They've lost games

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Speaker 3: in agonizing fashion. This show yesterday was the biggest gut punch,

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Speaker 3: in large part because of where we are in the season,

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Speaker 3: in large part because of how well they played for

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Speaker 3: large stretches of the game, certainly on offense, and they

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Speaker 3: a season of painful losses, this was the worst. This

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Speaker 2: Now, it's an eternity in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: We've seen the Bills come back from big deficits at

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Speaker 3: Bengals stub their toe in every conceivable way. But eight

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Speaker 3: forty nine to go a ten point lead a playoff team,

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Speaker 3: a championship team wins that football game.

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Speaker 4: Yes against the team who right now has the highest

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Speaker 4: odds in the AFC to win the Super Bowl. The

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Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills are the highest rated AFC team to have

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Speaker 4: a chance to win. Lombardy, I'm at a point with

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Speaker 4: surrendering points. That's how bad it is. I'm I'm far

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking about Sield turn them over. Can you just

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Speaker 4: four minutes because guess what if that's the case, the

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Speaker 4: that the pick six at the intercept. It's just then

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Speaker 4: things unraveled for this team. But make no mistake about it.

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Speaker 4: This the Joe Burrow pushback that I've shockingly seen overnight.

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Speaker 4: This is not a Joe a Joe Burrow problem. This

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Speaker 4: is a Bengals defense problem. Who in nine losses this

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Speaker 4: year is averaging giving up thirty six point one points

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about the first of the two. Joe

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Speaker 3: Burrow picks the pick six. Christian Benefit makes the play,

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Speaker 3: You're feeling pretty good because of how the drive started.

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Speaker 2: It's a mistake. It's a pick he can throw.

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Speaker 3: It's not becoming of a guy who to that point

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't happen. It did happen. It was going to

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Speaker 2: cost this team.

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Speaker 3: I think Joe would be the first to admit it

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Speaker 3: was the first to admit after the game. That's not

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Speaker 3: a mistake that he can make. But the Bengals are

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Speaker 3: built around Joe Burrow being perfect. They cannot afford for

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Speaker 3: Therein lies the problem, right they demand that Joe Burrow

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Speaker 4: And for all but two plays yesterday, he was. He

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Speaker 4: was awesome for three plus quarters. He was awesome, second

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Speaker 3: In the snow, right like, for three and a half quarters,

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Speaker 3: he was awesome. He had his team in a position

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Speaker 3: that's a play he cannot make. If it's let's pile

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Speaker 3: Jake Browning? Who do you want the quarterback to be

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Speaker 3: next season? I want to move on from Joe Burrow, like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: it happened. Over the course of a long career, He's

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Speaker 3: But fine, once we're done with that, what do you

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Speaker 3: know how to spy Josh Allen on third and fifteen

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Speaker 3: if it's like, hey, it's the week where we can

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Speaker 3: wail away at Joe Burrow, that's fine. He'll be the

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Speaker 3: first to say with that pick and then the one

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Speaker 3: after with the ball is tip fine, give it to

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Speaker 3: me whatever.

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Speaker 4: That's fine.

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Speaker 3: It comes with the territory. I get criticized. I'm the

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Speaker 3: leader of the team. I make all the money on

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Speaker 3: the face of the franchise. When I play well, I

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Speaker 3: get an unending amount of credit. When I play poorly,

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Speaker 3: all the all the blame that that can come my way,

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Speaker 3: I'm here to take. Once you're done with that, what

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Speaker 3: else you got you gonna put? You're gonna you're gonna

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Speaker 3: put your your faith in that defense.

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Speaker 4: Right, You're gonna put your faith in Al Golden or

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Speaker 4: Zach Taylor surprise you got the d back or or

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Speaker 4: I did. We just made Barrett Carter Geno Stone like cool.

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow made a mistake yesterday. He's still cool with

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Speaker 4: him being the quarterback for the rest of the decade.

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Speaker 4: I am what about that defense? When's it gonna get fixed?

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Speaker 3: And when are the Bengals gonna have a team that

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Speaker 3: is insulated against Joe Burrow making the occasional mistake.

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Speaker 4: Crazy part about all that one. It was the right

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Speaker 4: read on the interception. If you watch the play closely,

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Speaker 4: he bobbled a snap a little bit couldn't get anything

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Speaker 4: on it, made a bad throw. If he catches that

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Speaker 3: Buffalo was closed to midfield, would have had to go

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow lost them that game. We were just watching

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Speaker 3: They had a ten point lead in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 4: Yep, they got the ball back. They gave up a

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Speaker 2: That's the problem, honus Joe, Like okay, can't happen.

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Speaker 4: Like it's Joe Burrow's fault that Jermaine Burton didn't pan out.

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Speaker 4: up and make that tackle. It is the most basic

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Speaker 4: of basic football fundamentals that you teach on day one,

436
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Speaker 4: how to spy a quarterback. You got athletes on the roster,

437
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Speaker 4: at least I'm told they have athletes on the roster.

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Speaker 4: I don't care. At this point, rush three and spy two,

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Speaker 4: I don't care. You did exactly what Buffalo wanted you

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Speaker 4: to do by doing that. I so I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: I don't understand how that's that's not talked about coming

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Speaker 4: out of a timeout. You just burned a time out.

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Speaker 4: What are you talking about on the break? Hey, pretty

444
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Speaker 4: good chance here that he's gonna run the ball. Why

445
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Speaker 4: because with that much time left in the game. If

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Speaker 4: he throws an incompletion, what happens Bengals go probably score

447
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Speaker 4: at worst. All you say in the huddle, hey, we

448
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 4: took our chance on second down? And what alan do?

449
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Speaker 4: Did he dump the ball off? No, he took it

450
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Speaker 4: and took a sack, so the clock didn't stop. Same

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Speaker 4: thing he was gonna do on third down, they get

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Speaker 4: him outside. It's the most predictable play. Again, go watch,

453
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Speaker 4: go watch Saturday or Sunday pee wee football, and you'll

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Speaker 4: see that play all the time. And yet somehow the

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Speaker 4: Bengals fall for and immediately thought of the National Championship game.

456
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Speaker 4: Notre Dame is on a comeback, Ohio State going for it.

457
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Speaker 4: Al Golden puts one on one on Jeremiah Smith. Why

458
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Speaker 4: no one knows. Jeremiah Smith wins his one on one

459
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Speaker 4: battle Josh Allen probably the easiest rush he's had all year.

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Speaker 4: Then I had people yesterday saying, well, that's just what

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen does. No, it's not.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not, dude.

463
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Speaker 4: Josh Allen's previous season high was fifty eight rushing yards

464
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Speaker 4: hit seventy nine yesterday. He hasn't ran against anyone effectively.

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Speaker 4: He runs inside the five effective. Yeah, but he's not

466
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Speaker 4: been a takeoff at midfield type runner until yesterday. So no,

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Speaker 4: it's not been who he is. It's what they were

468
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Speaker 4: able to exploit on a very very poor Bengals defense

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Speaker 4: that's who he is.

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Speaker 3: Is something I'll accept on third and three. Sure, that's

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Speaker 3: something i'll accept on fourth and short. That's something i'll

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Speaker 3: expect if the down and distances within five yards.

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Speaker 2: If i'm third and fifteen.

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Speaker 4: It's similar to what we talked about when when Kansas

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Speaker 4: City last year converted the fourth and long. Yeah, there

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Speaker 4: are two conversations I'm having. I'm either gonna rush three

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Speaker 4: and drop eight and spy, or I'm gonna bring a

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Speaker 4: little heat so he doesn't have a chance to tuck

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Speaker 4: the ball and run. The Bengals didn't either. They rushed

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Speaker 4: four again. Osai was unblocked and was so stunned by

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Speaker 4: that that he freezes up. It was I think lack

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Speaker 4: of preparation, and I just I can't imagine. I'm thinking

483
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Speaker 4: last night, like it's off a time out, what was

484
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Speaker 4: said in the huddle, I would imagine it was, Hey,

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Speaker 4: don't over pursue, don't rush out of your lanes, stay

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Speaker 4: in your lanes. Don't give him anywhere to go. Who's

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Speaker 4: spying the quarterback? What you talk about? What was discussed

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Speaker 4: on third and fifteen out of a time out, I

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Speaker 4: don't know it was answer for.

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Speaker 3: It was baffling to me in real time, and like

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Speaker 3: many things, I wonder, Okay, maybe I'm off base here,

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Speaker 3: maybe Tony will have a better explanation for what they did.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately not saying that. The worst part about it is

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Speaker 4: if you get that stop. I think there is a

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Speaker 4: large contingent of folks that would think that the Bengals

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Speaker 4: would at least have one or two shots at the

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Speaker 4: end zone to win the game.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and by the way, he could have run for

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Speaker 3: ten Yeah, fine, he could have run for twelve. Fine,

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Speaker 3: he could have run for fourteen and a half.

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Speaker 2: Fine.

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Speaker 4: Like what they gave up is staggering. Staggering to a

503
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Speaker 4: mobile quarterback, Like I ain't Kirk Cousins back there, right right,

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Speaker 4: That wasn't Tua back there. It's the one quarterback who

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Speaker 4: already beach on a forty yard touchdown run earlier in

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Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. Yeah, and you empty out the middle

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Speaker 4: of the field. But Gino stones back there, twenty yards deep,

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Speaker 4: coming up and making a play.

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Speaker 2: How did he do on the tackle?

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Speaker 4: He did not make one.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty five away from four o'clock. We're a

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Speaker 2: twin Peaks and.

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Speaker 4: West Western come up and talk more. Shoot out Tono, Tony.

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Speaker 2: And Mo Football Show.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to the decision to not on side kick

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Speaker 3: all prior to that last possession here in a bit,

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Speaker 3: But first we'll talk about what went down between excuse me,

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh and Baltimore yesterday and the Browns both won and

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Speaker 3: lost at the same time. That coming up as well

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Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 2: Bengals have released Jermaine Burton.

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Speaker 4: Where does Jermaine Burton end up?

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Speaker 2: I could not care less.

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Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson has been ruled out for Sunday's game against

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Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens. He is going to see a specialist

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Speaker 3: for whatever it is that ails him. Bengals and the

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Speaker 3: Ravens on Sunday in Cincinnati at one o'clock. The game

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Speaker 3: is live on ESPN fifteen thirty. Monday Night Football Tonight,

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Speaker 3: Eagles in Charge on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. College Basketball,

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Speaker 3: Xavier's Trey Carroll named the Big East Player of the Week,

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Speaker 3: largely for his performance against the Bearcats last week when

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Speaker 3: he scored thirty points.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: The Richard Patino Show is tonight at seven o'clock on

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Speaker 3: fifty five KRC. The Mark Pope Radio Shows tonight at six, Boy,

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Speaker 3: you talk about a bludgeoning.

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Speaker 2: Man kids Gonzagon.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I have friends who went to that game.

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Speaker 3: They were on Broadway by halftime in Nashville. Mark Pope

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Speaker 3: Show at six o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty. The NKU

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Speaker 3: Coaches Show is tonight at seven o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: As well, the AP Top twenty five men's college basketball poll,

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Speaker 3: Kentucky has fallen out of it. They got twenty nine votes.

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Speaker 3: Xavier isn't getting any votes. Cincinnati isn't getting any votes.

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Speaker 2: You know who got two?

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Speaker 4: Who?

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Speaker 2: Travis Steeles Miami.

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Speaker 4: Rdhaw undefeated eight no undefeated. Yeah, I know, I know

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Speaker 4: college basketball comes later. I'm I'm desperately trying to find

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Speaker 4: UC's big twelve wins. You see what Iowa State did

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Speaker 4: to purduel hold that thought? Yep, hold that thought. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: let's kick off, Let's take a kick.

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Speaker 3: This is typically where we talk about the AFC North

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh beats Baltimore yesterday. Should the Isaiah Likely touchdown have

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Speaker 3: counted as a touchdown?

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Speaker 4: I thought so? I Uh, that's such a hard, hard ruling.

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Speaker 4: I think you gotta go with what it's called with

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Speaker 4: on the field.

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Speaker 3: That's a touchdown. Yeah, like he caught it. Yeah he

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Speaker 3: got two steps down. I have seen that call it

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Speaker 3: a touchdown a thousand times. This nebulous will complete the catch,

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Speaker 3: football move.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't need the football move.

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Speaker 2: He completed the catch when he caught it and got

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Speaker 2: the two feet down.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's a football move in the end zone. Two

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Speaker 4: feet down, touchdown. I don't know, man, Pittsburgh, just when

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Speaker 4: you feel like they're done, they play. I think it's

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Speaker 4: interesting how DK Metcalf responds, I know, ho he to

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Speaker 4: stay behind in Baltimore. You see DK Metcalf on the

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Speaker 4: final punt of the game when it is a gunner.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 4: I love that? I do too. That's really cool. Good

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Speaker 4: win for Pittsburgh soptimoreikes.

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Speaker 3: So the way the math works out, you asked for

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Speaker 3: the Bengals to win the AFC North.

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Speaker 4: Okay, here we.

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Speaker 2: Got gotta win all four?

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Speaker 4: Okay, check easy.

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Speaker 3: Need the Steelers to go one in three or worse.

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh plays Miami and home on Monday Night Football next week,

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Speaker 3: then at Detroit at Cleveland home for Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: Doable. That's that's one and three.

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Speaker 3: Baltimore's schedule is really hard. Come to Cincinnati, say which

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Speaker 3: one about the Bengals. They did just beat Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: And they have to win out, so they'll win that one.

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Speaker 3: Then the Ravens host the Patriots at Green Bay at Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 3: so you need the Ravens in addition to all this

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Speaker 3: other stuff, need the Ravens to go two and.

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Speaker 4: Two or worse.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you're telling me there's a mathematically there is

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Speaker 3: a chance, yes, okay, realistically.

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Speaker 4: Right, which of those is the hardest to believe? The

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Speaker 4: Bengals going forward? Oh yeah, because we're just like taking

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Speaker 4: it for granted. First of all, I know they they

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Speaker 4: handled Baltimore easily and Lamar looks broken. They also Baltimore

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Speaker 4: also gave them shot.

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Speaker 3: Sure you would expect a somewhat desperate Ravens team to

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Speaker 3: come here.

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Speaker 2: Then they gotta go to Miami.

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Speaker 3: The Dolphins are playing well now, they're not beating good teams.

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Speaker 3: Crust the Jets, easy for me to say as we

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Speaker 3: get hot fudge Sunday served to us.

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Speaker 2: But they're playing a Dolphins team that is playing better.

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Speaker 3: And then you know they'll be heavy favorites against Arizona

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Speaker 3: and Cleveland. They've won four games all year and we're

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Speaker 3: just assuming.

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Speaker 4: Ah, that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know, they'll they'll they'll run the table. It

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Speaker 3: just gave up thirty nine points again yesterday. They'll run

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Speaker 3: the table. And then it's you know, I the problem

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Speaker 3: is you're trying to leave frog two teams. Also, those

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Speaker 3: two teams have another game with each other.

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Speaker 4: The problem in all of this, and I'm just as

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Speaker 4: guilty of it, and you said it to me today.

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Speaker 4: I think we both were guilty of like buying back

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Speaker 4: into the believing it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: I didn't believe it was going to happen. I talked

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Speaker 3: about it from a gambling perspective, a lot of value, right.

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Speaker 4: But like yesterday, when you when you build a ten

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Speaker 4: point fourth quarter lead, that's when I bought in. Now

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Speaker 4: I'm like, holy cow, yeah they can do this.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe I let myself do this.

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Speaker 4: And now now I'm thinking, like you just said, they're

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Speaker 4: four and nine, like we're talking today, like all they

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Speaker 4: gotta do is win four in a row. Right, They've

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Speaker 4: won four all year? Right? Their defense stinks?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I could.

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Speaker 4: I could legitimately see buff Baltimore going two and two

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Speaker 4: in that four game stretch. I could also see Pittsburgh

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Speaker 4: the way they've been playing, going one and three. So

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Speaker 4: my guest, I have to believe four and oh when

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Speaker 4: you've won four games all years, just right click, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Fine, Le'll be good. Of the three scenarios that have

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Speaker 3: to unfold. The one that I think will is Baltimore

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Speaker 3: going to and two. Agreed, I don't see how they

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Speaker 3: win three games, including the one in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: I'm not buying back into that. You ain't getting me again.

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Speaker 3: But as much as I don't think the Steelers are

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Speaker 3: very good, the Dolphins game is in their building, the

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Speaker 3: Ravens game is in their building, and they have to.

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Speaker 2: Go to Cleveland. Now they also have to go to Detroit.

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Speaker 4: But Troy's still playing for their playoff lives.

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Speaker 2: No doubt.

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Speaker 3: I just I feel like the Steelers are gonna stumble

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Speaker 3: into two and two and win the division.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, the Bengals don't win on Sunday,

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Speaker 4: does Joe Burrow playing in the last three?

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Speaker 3: My guess is he plays against Miami because then a

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Speaker 3: lost Sunday you're mathematically out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what would be the point because now we're in

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Speaker 4: that stratusphere of well, they'd win three in a row

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Speaker 4: down the stretch, they'd get the seven wins and you know,

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Speaker 4: they cost themselves five spots in the draft. So like,

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Speaker 4: to me, that's what becomes interesting. If you don't win,

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Speaker 4: you win, I get it. Keep the hope alive if.

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Speaker 2: You lose, and it's protect the investment.

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Speaker 4: It's protect the investment. And also understand, you gotta you

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Speaker 4: gotta find an impact player in the draft, and you're

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Speaker 4: not gonna do that at seventeen. Yeah, unless Samar Stewart

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Speaker 4: falls team.

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Speaker 3: I don't expect them to try to lose football games.

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Speaker 3: I would be more than okay with if they lose

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Speaker 3: on Sunday saying Joe, thanks, Yeah, we'll see you in April. Yep,

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Speaker 3: it is eleven away from four o'clock. We're at Twin Peaks.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Cleveland loses the game. Yeah, yesterday against

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Speaker 3: Tennessee Door, Sanders played well. They don't have them on

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Speaker 3: the field for what would have been a game time

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Speaker 3: two point conversion, so they lose.

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Speaker 4: I think if Judkins pitches the ball, he's in though.

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Speaker 3: Yes, mission accomplished. Ye Like, if you're the Browns, yep,

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Speaker 3: I'm in the Fernando Mendoza sweep stakes right now.

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Speaker 2: My man.

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Speaker 4: If I'm the Browns, but I.

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Speaker 2: Might have I might have a good quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Joe, and we've talked before. I think Judkins is a hit, yep.

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Speaker 4: I think their linebacker's a hit. I think Mason Graham's

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Speaker 4: a hit. Say what you want. That's a good deal.

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Speaker 4: Defense they're building offensively. That's everything you wanted yesterday. If

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Speaker 4: you're a Cleveland fan.

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Speaker 3: It is a tenaway from four o'clock. We have a

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Speaker 3: We haven't even talked about the on side kick decision.

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Speaker 3: We'll do that here in just a bit on ESPN

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Speaker 4: next week.

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Speaker 2: It's taken me a bit to get these up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you have voted already in one of them,

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Speaker 3: my apologies for making you vote again. Jermaine Burton cutlows today.

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Speaker 3: By the way, we have Trey Hendrickson news. We'll get

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Speaker 3: to here in just a second. Which of Jermaine Burton's

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Speaker 3: four catches as a Bengal is your favorite?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: You got the one against the Chiefs, the one against

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Speaker 3: the Eagles, the one against the Ravens, of the one

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Speaker 3: against the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Vote now at Mauwagar.

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Speaker 4: None of his preseason one, No, they don't count. Then

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Speaker 4: you have yours. You suggested this one.

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Speaker 3: Which defense is more difficult to deploy spying the quarterback

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Speaker 3: on third and fifteen or doubling the post.

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Speaker 4: I say doubling the post. That's that's reinvented. You're asking

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Speaker 4: a lot now, and.

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Speaker 3: Then finally, what should be used to determine which teams

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Speaker 3: make the college football playoff a committee.

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Speaker 4: Or a computer.

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Speaker 2: Oh, because for years it was a computer with the PCs.

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Speaker 3: We decided we don't like the computer, so we had

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Speaker 3: a committee, and now we had what the committee does

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Speaker 3: every single year.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, Kirk kurves Street, sixteen is probably the

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Speaker 4: best number. Let's just keep raising the number of teams

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Speaker 4: that are going to get into the playoff. You know

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Speaker 4: the crazy thing about the college football playoff, this would

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Speaker 4: have probably been the year where four teams were easy. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: this would have been the easiest four team playoff ever.

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Speaker 4: No Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, Texas Tech, clear cut. Now

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Speaker 4: we can't figure out twelve teams. We'll get to that

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Speaker 4: a little bit later.

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Speaker 3: On Trey Hendrickson, according to Adam Schefter, at least he's

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Speaker 3: the first that I saw that had it, So if

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Speaker 3: somebody else had it.

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Speaker 4: Prior to him, my apologies.

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Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson is opting for surgery, so that would okay,

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Speaker 3: I would imagine.

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Speaker 4: This season, all right, surgery on what do we know yet?

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Speaker 2: It's like core muscle surgery, right?

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Speaker 4: Is that? Is that what it's been called? I hope

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Speaker 4: Trey gets better. Was trade nothing but the best in

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Speaker 4: his future endeavors, which in all likelihood will not be here.

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Speaker 3: Muscle surgery will sideline him for approximately six weeks.

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Speaker 4: Now, this may sideline the organization because that question is

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Speaker 4: going to come up at some point again, do you

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Speaker 4: pay someone over like the age of thirty, And they're

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Speaker 4: going to go back and say, well, we did Trey

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Speaker 4: Hendrickson to look how that worked out.

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Speaker 3: So I guess you could look at this two different ways. One,

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Speaker 3: they got it right, they didn't want to pay him

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Speaker 3: beyond twenty twenty five because he's.

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Speaker 2: Older and older players tend to get hurt more frequently.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: On the other hand, you could say, well, that's fine,

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Speaker 3: but they should have traded him prior to this season,

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Speaker 3: and then whatever they would have gotten for Trey Hendrickson

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Speaker 3: would be more useful right now than Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 4: Correct. Same, I mean you could say that to the

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Speaker 4: draft pick you could have used in the third round

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Speaker 4: over Jermaine Burton. Right, But here we are, But here

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Speaker 4: we are, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, four wins, ready to run the table. One other

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Speaker 3: coaching decision. Yesterday, the Bengals pull within five, Yep, they

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Speaker 3: kick it deep, maddening give the ball back to the Bills.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately set up Josh Allen's third and fifteen run scamper.

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Speaker 3: In that set of circumstances, you obviously would have preferred

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Speaker 3: it on.

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Speaker 4: TESTI absolutely for multiple reasons. Now, had the two point

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Speaker 4: conversion worked, I could then at least hear the argument

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Speaker 4: to kick it deep, right, because now you force a

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Speaker 4: punt and you need a first down, and you could

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Speaker 4: kick the field goal to tie it right Once it

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Speaker 4: became a five point game, now you need a touchdown, right.

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Speaker 4: That's harder to do with out of a timeout. The

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Speaker 4: second point, you've already successfully kicked it on side this year. Third,

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Speaker 4: the weather's terrible, it's snowy, it's windy, the grass, the

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Speaker 4: the field is wet. You have such a higher likelihood

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Speaker 4: to kick a ball through the snow and have someone

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Speaker 4: slip out of their hands then you would in any

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Speaker 4: other setting. And with that much time on the clock,

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Speaker 4: a first down beat you either way. So like it's

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Speaker 4: not like if you're kicking on side and they get

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Speaker 4: a first down, then they're in field. You're not trying

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Speaker 4: to score. The first down beat you either way. It's wet,

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Speaker 4: it's cold, it's snowy. Kick the onside kick and see

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Speaker 4: what happens, and if you get a stop, you'd still

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Speaker 4: have the same chance in which we just talked about.

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Speaker 3: The variable for me that matters most is exactly what

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Speaker 3: you just talked about. The weather, the ball, slick conditions,

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Speaker 3: if it's dry, Okay, the kick in a deed doesn't

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Speaker 3: bother me. But the variable there that I think matters

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Speaker 3: are the conditions, the slippery field, the ball. The fact

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Speaker 3: that it's that that particular play could play out differently

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Speaker 3: than almost any other. That that's what leans me toward

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Speaker 3: wanting an all on sidekick. I will not lie to

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Speaker 3: you in real time, it didn't bother me. But as

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking of the conditions, and as I'm thinking of

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Speaker 3: the ball, and as I'm thinking of the possibilities just

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Speaker 3: because of the weather, what.

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Speaker 4: Do you trust more? A chance to get an onside

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Speaker 4: kick or the defense getting.

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Speaker 2: To stop a chance to get the on side kick,

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Speaker 2: kick the.

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Speaker 4: Onside kick like that among anything else. If I kick

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Speaker 4: it on side, at least I have a chance to

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Speaker 4: get the ball back. It's probably a better chance of

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Speaker 4: you that if you kick the ball deep. With the defense.

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Speaker 4: The Bengals have, especially their third down and long defense

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Speaker 4: against the mobile quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I have one other question about the Bengals defense yesterday

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Speaker 3: that we'll get to in just a bit. We also

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Speaker 3: have to talk about everything that went down around the

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Speaker 3: NFL yesterday, including the end of the Chiefs dynasty in

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Speaker 3: all likelihood. But first, the college basketball detour oh No.

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Speaker 3: All right, it's a football in the NATI. It's the

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Speaker 2: But it's the college Basketball Detour.

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Speaker 4: Come on, Tarren, pay hey one, Come on tarn They won.

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Speaker 4: They did.

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Speaker 3: College Basketball Detour the Monday after the Skyline Chili Crosstown shootout,

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Speaker 3: a Tony and Moe football showed tradition, it is a

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Speaker 3: football show. So we only have one segment for the

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Speaker 3: college Basketball Detour and here it is great Winners go first.

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00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: I thought Xavier executed much better than the Bearcats did.

880
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 3: I thought they had a good game plan, took took.

881
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: Better care of the basketball.

882
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 4: They took care of the ball.

883
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: You see, only had nine turnovers, but they had a

884
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: lot of shots that didn't go in, especially bad looks

885
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: in the first half. Those are turnovers as far as

886
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: I'm concerned. Xavier heard four for the entire game.

887
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 4: And statistically, like there's a lot of things you see

888
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 4: came out statistically with the edge of that's more credit

889
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 4: to Xavier, who didn't shoot the ball great from outside,

890
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 4: which they had coming into the game. Yeah, everything in

891
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: the statistical column would have led you to believe the

892
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 4: Bearcats won that game, which is even more manning if

893
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 4: you're a UC fan that they didn't win the game,

894
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 4: and not only didn't win the game, but how they

895
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 4: went about losing in the same fashion that I feel

896
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 4: like I've watched so many UC losses, poor shot attempts

897
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 4: or shot selection, miss free throws, turnovers, and the inability

898
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: when another player from the opposing team is playing well

899
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 4: to do anything to take the ball out of their hands.

900
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: So we'll get to that here in just a second.

901
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: Number one.

902
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: The story of the game was Trey Carroll. I said

903
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: this during quick Hits. The skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout has

904
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: a way of creating individual heroes that you identify with

905
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: that game.

906
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: For their entire UC or Xavier career yep.

907
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: And from our perspective as Barricat fans, unfortunately, but usually

908
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: that's a Xavier player. When I think of Naji Marshall,

909
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 3: I think of his performance against Cincinnati in the twenty

910
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 3: nineteen twe I think of Lionel Chalmers shot, I think

911
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 3: of Lenny Brown, I think of David West and his

912
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: final shootout at Fifth Third Arena. And when I hear

913
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: the name Trey Carroll, twenty five years from now, regardless

914
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: of what happens between now and the end of his

915
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 3: time at XU, I will think of his performance. He

916
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 3: was terrific. Richard Patino's team is reacting to him. It's

917
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: responding to him. That was a team that four weeks ago,

918
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: when they're beating Mariston Lemoyne and then getting destroyed at

919
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 3: home by Santa Clara, you're wondering, how are they going

920
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 3: to get to ten wins. They have since beaten West

921
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: Virginia on a neutral floor, and they picked up a

922
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: win against Cincinnati in the Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout, a

923
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: game that felt inevitably like UC was going to win

924
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: it three weeks ago. That team is getting better. That

925
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 3: team collectively is improving. Is there a cap on what

926
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: they can do because of their talent? Perhaps, but they

927
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 3: are reacting and responding to their coaching, and they certainly

928
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: did on Friday night.

929
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 4: That's even more maddening. I think if you take both

930
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 4: teams and just put a big player pull together, there's

931
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 4: probably seven Bearcats and three Muskies selected. You see had

932
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 4: more talent. You see'st talent from just a basketball point

933
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: of view, is better. The problem is is that the

934
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 4: in game adjustments, and the coaching is again lackluster. It's

935
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 4: not there. On the UC side, I thought a couple

936
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: of different things happened. One U see does come back

937
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 4: in the second half, and I will give credit because

938
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 4: I thought Wes Miller going to the one three to

939
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 4: one at times did slow Xavier down. You see hits

940
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: a three to go up, they come from behind, they

941
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 4: go up one. I'm screaming from my seat, take a

942
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 4: time out because at that point, I think so much

943
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: of the arena was kind of in shock what has happened,

944
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 4: And instead of making Xavier think about that and setting

945
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 4: your defense, five seconds later Xavier got a wide open

946
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 4: three and took the lead back, and then from there

947
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 4: it just collapses again for the bear counts number two.

948
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 4: I don't know what Richard Patino's plan B was. If

949
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 4: Trey Carroll didn't have the game he did, he didn't

950
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 4: really have to get to it. I want to know

951
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: why Seana Bibe carried this team for much of the

952
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 4: first half. He ended up playing just twenty four minutes

953
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 4: total and never really got any good decent looks in

954
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 4: the second half. I feel like my frustration at what

955
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 4: you see is doing I feel like they go into

956
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 4: a ballgame with the set plan of these are when

957
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 4: our subs are happening, this is who's playing next amount

958
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 4: of minutes, and there's no feel of in game adjustments

959
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 4: like man by this feeling it keep him in the ballgame.

960
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 4: Can can we coach around that? Or does it have

961
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 4: to be up here's the under twelve time out. These

962
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 4: guys got to come out. These guys got to go

963
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: in in a game like that, You've got to feel

964
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 4: more about what your players are able to do. Trey

965
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 4: Carroll probably played more than what Richard Patino thought going

966
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 4: into the game. Why because he was on fire. A

967
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 4: bibe was out in the first half and comes out

968
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 4: of the game. I looked at I looked at my

969
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 4: brother during the game. I said, why is he coming out?

970
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 4: He just made two threes, He's keeping us in this game,

971
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 4: and he comes out.

972
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: I thought.

973
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 4: I thought Tyler McKinley played exceptionally well in the middle

974
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 4: of that Xavier zone. Yeah, he caught one and made

975
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 4: the great basketball play to crease in the corner. He

976
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 4: missed it, and then he took one of the basket

977
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 4: and made a nice finish around the rim. I know

978
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 4: he's a little more raw offensively, but on a game

979
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 4: where you went six of sixteen from layups, you gotta

980
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 4: find different options that are gonna give you chances. It is.

981
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 4: It's the latest in a long line of frustrating losses

982
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 4: because in my opinion, you sees the better basketball.

983
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: Team, So there's a lot there. Eleven for twenty two

984
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: from the free throw line killed them all. The miss

985
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: bunnies and layups killed them six of sixteen, the two

986
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: starting bigs going seven for twenty one. Ustapha Cham in particular,

987
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: had a number of really good point point blank looks

988
00:48:59,200 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 3: that he didn't make.

989
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: Bu Harris had a couple of lamps.

990
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: And the chom thing. It's coming off a game where

991
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 4: he had one shot attempt, so it was almost like

992
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 4: they had to force him the ball because of the

993
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 4: previous game instead of letting the offense flow it anyway.

994
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: I also thought like Seanabayev got off to a great

995
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 3: start and then there's there's taking them off the floor.

996
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: But when he was on the floor, it just it

997
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 3: feels like they can't come up with the way to

998
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: get him a good run him off three screens.

999
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, like get him the ball.

1000
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: I watch a lot of college basketball where a guy

1001
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: like that who you would go okay, ceiling wise, he

1002
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: may be our best guy, or he's a dude who

1003
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: can can take dudes off the bounce, or he's a

1004
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 3: guy who's having a hot game. They figure out a

1005
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: way to get him looks. They figure out a way

1006
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: to kind of make a set about him and then

1007
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: let him make a play. I felt like the beark

1008
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 3: Heads couldn't do that.

1009
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 4: And then no offense to that point when he is

1010
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 4: making shots that it should be easier. Yes, now you

1011
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 4: got to overplay him, right, can you slip a screen?

1012
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 4: Can you go back like something? Because now so much

1013
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 4: attention is going to him. They didn't even use him

1014
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 4: as a dec.

1015
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 3: And then the basic mechanics of you've got a dude

1016
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: on the other team who is getting to wherever he

1017
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 3: wants and doing whatever he wants. The shot making for

1018
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: Trey Carroll wasn't that difficult because he was doing whatever

1019
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 3: he wanted.

1020
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 2: He was literally getting to anywhere he.

1021
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 3: Wanted on the offensive side of the floor for the

1022
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 3: Bearcats to not double him. I know there was the

1023
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: possession in the second half that resulted in a missed

1024
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 3: Xavier three. That was it the kind of make the

1025
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 3: kind of shot that if they make. If you're a

1026
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: Bearcat fan, at that point, you go, okay, fine, dude

1027
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 3: made a shot. We at least made somebody else beat us.

1028
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: Wes's explanation after the game was, well, we really haven't

1029
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: worked on doubling the post.

1030
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 2: How How I.

1031
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: Don't It's that game was played on December fifth, They've

1032
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 3: been practicing for months. By the way, doubling the post

1033
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: is probably something you're gonna have to do in Big

1034
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: twelve plays. First of all, it's also not the most like, Holy,

1035
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 3: We've got to spend four days on this.

1036
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 2: It's double teaming a hot player in the post.

1037
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 4: Every player that's played a major college basketball game, playing

1038
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 4: in high school, they've either doubled or been doubled. Yes,

1039
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 4: it's this isn't this was like three years ago when

1040
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 4: we had to go on this Tampa two rant for weeks.

1041
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: It's not reinventing the wheel. Send extra help at him,

1042
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 4: and if you get beat by a shot, okay, yeah,

1043
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 4: tip your cat.

1044
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: I even understand, like we have to work on the rotations.

1045
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 3: We have to work on how we cover if we

1046
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 3: double I understand that, how have you not had time

1047
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: to work on that.

1048
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 4: I can't imagine how many timeouts where Richard Petina was like, hey,

1049
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 4: be prepared for a double, right, and he never got doubled.

1050
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 4: I it's so maddening and I hate to feel like this,

1051
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 4: but it feels like the season is not even gonna

1052
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 4: have a chance to get off.

1053
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 9: Now.

1054
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: Well, so they already have you already have the terrible

1055
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 4: loss in Eashim, Michigan. You got the lost to Xavier.

1056
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 4: So Georgia's good. My take on it's good.

1057
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: My take on it last week was it's the shootout,

1058
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 3: it's the rivalry, it's this twenty four years street. We

1059
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 3: this this program has to get to the NCAA tournament.

1060
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 3: Last year they lost one non conference game and didn't

1061
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: even come close to making it.

1062
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 4: Nope.

1063
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: That tells you how hard the Big twelve is. Now

1064
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 3: you have three losses. You just mentioned Georgia, which is

1065
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: one loss.

1066
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 4: Playing Wellson's got two losses.

1067
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 3: Clemson is two losses. Those are both effectively road games.

1068
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: You're playing Georgia in Atlanta and you're playing Clemson in Greenville.

1069
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 3: You're staring down the barrel of four or five losses.

1070
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 3: That's if I count wins in the two by games.

1071
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 3: Oh and then, by the way, December or January third, Houston.

1072
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: So like you start to do the math in a

1073
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: tournament or bust year, how do they get there? You

1074
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: just said to me before, like you're trying to find

1075
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: where the big twelve wins are gonna be.

1076
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: This league is insane.

1077
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 4: In the top twenty Kansas nineteen, Texas Tech sixteen, BYU ten,

1078
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 4: Houston seven. Iowa State just went to Purdue and dominated.

1079
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 4: The number one team in the country is number four,

1080
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 4: and oh, by the way, Arizona's the number one team

1081
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 4: in the country.

1082
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 10: Uh huh.

1083
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 4: I listened. We went to Fort Worth, TCU's play by

1084
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,959
Speaker 4: play talk about how good TCU looks, Colorado looks better,

1085
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 4: UCF looks good. In the early season. Where are the

1086
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 4: big twelve wins? This team's not getting better.

1087
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: So let's say best case in the big twelve is

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00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 3: five hundred best case, Yeah, that's nine and nine. Nine

1089
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 3: plus three is twelve. What do we think is gonna

1090
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: happen against George and Clemson?

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00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 4: Right? Maybe split?

1092
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 3: Maybe hopefully let's say they split thirteen losses. Is Cincinnati

1093
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: getting in the NCAA Tournament with thirteen losses.

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00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 2: Nope, and that's best case nine and nine in the

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00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: Big twelve.

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Speaker 3: I just and I look at the schedule in the

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00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 3: Big twelve, and I go, I can't find nine wins

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00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 3: right now?

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Speaker 4: No, Like, that's my problem with this team right now?

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00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 4: Do you see this team? Like the Louisville game. I

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00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 4: hated to feel at Louisville because after the game, I

1102
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 4: thought so many folks were just like, well, we only

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00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 4: lost by ten or only lost by nine, like I

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Speaker 4: thought it was. I didn't even think people went into

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00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 4: the game thinking there was like a chance, like there

1106
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 4: are teams that go into chance like games like, all right,

1107
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 4: there's a path we win.

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00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how you find that path with this

1110
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 4: team against the teams that you're gonna be playing, who

1111
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 4: are they gonna sneak up on? And in surprise, they

1112
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 4: don't shoot it well from outside right now they have

1113
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 4: If they don't get transition, offense looks the same it

1114
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 4: has for five years. They're not getting the inside presence,

1115
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 4: they don't get the defensive stops when necessary, they don't.

1116
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 4: They don't do the small things. They don't make free throws,

1117
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 4: and they don't limit turnovers. And they don't score off

1118
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 4: their defense.

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00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, okay, fine, we're not a great offensive team,

1121
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 3: but we can score off our defense.

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00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 4: They can't do that either. It is and like it's

1123
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 4: it's it's so daunting right now, the.

1124
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Speaker 3: Compare contrast, Right, you talk about Xavier, I'm with you.

1125
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 3: I think you See as a more talented roster. But

1126
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 3: Xavier's team has improved, that team has gotten better. U

1127
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 3: See's team looks the seams that did Game one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and.

1129
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Speaker 3: Again like all right, fine, you're tired of losing his xavior,

1130
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 3: get it. You're tired of losing to the center every

1131
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 3: other year.

1132
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Speaker 2: I understand it.

1133
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: But this season was always going to be defined by

1134
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 3: is their name on the screen on Selection Sunday? Now

1135
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: the counter to that has been, well, how does it look?

1136
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: Right?

1137
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 4: Like?

1138
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 3: If they're a team number sixty nine? Are we letting

1139
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 3: a committee determine whether or not Wes is gonna keep

1140
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 3: his gig? I get it, But they didn't come close

1141
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 3: last year. That team last year was talented. This year's

1142
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 3: team feels talented.

1143
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 2: Right now.

1144
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 3: You have a hard time convincing anybody they're even gonna

1145
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 3: come close.

1146
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 4: And the problem for me is last year's team. The

1147
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 4: players that have left Arrington Page is averaging like sixteen

1148
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 4: a game. Skilling is off to a good start with

1149
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 4: Baylor Tyler. Betsy Tyler. Betsy's averaging like fifteen a game

1150
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 4: for Syracuse. Dylan Mitchell is a starter and main contributor

1151
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 4: on Saint John's team. Like it'd be one thing if

1152
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 4: like all the players went to smaller level schools and

1153
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 4: played players from last year's team are main contributors on

1154
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 4: Power four teams. But they couldn't figure it out here

1155
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 4: and then we ran everyone off. Like you and I

1156
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 4: were the biggest Dylan Mitchell fans. I think around and

1157
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, bring him back. He's who you need to

1158
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 4: have on the team. They were more than okay to

1159
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 4: move on. Who scooped him up? Rick Patino like that guy? Yeah,

1160
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 4: I want him on my team. Yeah, I'm asking the

1161
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 4: same thing. Where's the toughness on this team? The teams

1162
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 4: that I grew up with, you see tough, hard nosed

1163
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 4: battle every time.

1164
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: Where's the identity? Where's the program identity?

1165
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 4: I said this to you. I watched Kirk Crease at Kentucky,

1166
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 4: at West Virginia, at Arizona, and when I watched him

1167
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 4: on the TV, I'm like, I hate that guy because

1168
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 4: he he freaking plays away. That bothers me. Now I

1169
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 4: look at him on Cincinnati and I'm like, where did

1170
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 4: the guy that I hated playing against go? He didn't

1171
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 4: really have an edge. He's just kind of laid back,

1172
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 4: like the guy with the energy is who I wanted.

1173
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 4: I didn't like playing against him because of that. That's

1174
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 4: who you want on your team, and he's not that

1175
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 4: right now. I just I don't know how. I don't

1176
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 4: know how it happens. They're too inconsistent. They they still

1177
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 4: don't have the go to guy, and as you mentioned,

1178
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 4: when they did have the go to guy, they didn't

1179
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 4: have a way to get him the ball. It is, uh,

1180
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 4: it's frustrating right now. And it's more frustrating because you're

1181
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 4: no longer getting ready for the American Athletic Conference schedule.

1182
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 4: You're getting ready to play teams that are ranked number

1183
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 4: one in the country, number four in the country, number

1184
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 4: seven in the country, number ten in the country. Like,

1185
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 4: it's not going to get any easier this year.

1186
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: Well, on that note, let's make uh, let's make life

1187
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 3: good for our contest winner. Oh yes, thanks to uh

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00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,760
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1189
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Speaker 3: an end table with a speaker of fifty five in television,

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Speaker 3: a TV stand with like a heated fireplace, and an

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Speaker 3: area rug. All of this thanks to Sims Furniture. We

1193
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 3: have held the contest now for a few weeks. Wow,

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Speaker 3: and the winner of it is Mike McMillan.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations to Mike McMillan.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to Mike.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Mike, Shout out to Sims Furniture.

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Speaker 4: Are you delivering it to Mike?

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to deliver it to Mike if he lets

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Speaker 3: me come over. Okay, sit down on the chair, have

1202
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Speaker 3: a couple of cold ones, man, watch football during the

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Speaker 3: playoff or something.

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Speaker 4: What a great win. I'd love to know from Mike, Like,

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00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 4: did Mike enter the contest here at Twin Peaks? Did

1206
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 4: he enter it at a different show you do? Did

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00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 4: he just hear about it and enter it online?

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00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 3: He could have been he could have stopped by an

1209
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 3: area of Sims Furniture store. We've had the QR code there. Yeah,

1210
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: So congratulations to Mike McMillan.

1211
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 4: Shout out Mike, the winner.

1212
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: Of the SIMS Furniture Ultimate Fan Cave Giveaway.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations to Mike McMillan.

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Speaker 2: He's done.

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Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson apparently gonna have surgery core muscle surgery would

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Speaker 3: appear that his twenty twenty five season has done, although

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Speaker 3: I guess theoretically he could come back and play in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Sure, okay, you and I showed a moment over the

1245
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 4: break and we watched the war room and the embrace

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Speaker 4: between Zach Taylor and Duke Tobin with Jma Burton was

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Speaker 4: stolen in the third round.

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Speaker 2: Really fired up when they drafted Jermaine burg.

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Speaker 4: They really were. It was as passionate as a of

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Speaker 3: happening in Orlando. Terry Francona, when asked about Kyle Schwarber, said, quote,

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Speaker 3: he's a really good player, and he's a really good kid.

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Speaker 4: Okay did he say he's from Middletown.

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Speaker 2: He did not mention that he's from Middletown.

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Speaker 4: Okay. Schwarber watches on Pirates made an offer.

1259
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Speaker 3: If the Pittsburgh Pirates signed Kyle Schwartz. Can you imagine

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Speaker 3: I will walk to Pittsburgh. Could you imagine what that

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Speaker 3: would be?

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Speaker 2: Pick charity?

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Speaker 4: I will walk to Pittsburgh, all right, Normally, Like there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of things you would say, and I would

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01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 4: jump in and be like, I'll do it too. You're

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Speaker 4: on your own, that's you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not gonna walk to Pittsburgh. I'll drive to

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh and go watch the Red Spirts. Okay, I'm in

1269
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 3: just thinking, you know, it's the sounds than no.

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Speaker 4: I'm in.

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Speaker 2: College basketball.

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01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 3: Kentucky falls out of the AP Top twenty five, but

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Speaker 3: they get votes. The Miami Redogks got votes. Mark Pope

1274
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 3: will talk about his team getting just bludgeoned by Gonzaga

1275
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 3: tonight six pm on the Mark Pope Show. The NKU

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Speaker 3: Coaches shows at seven pm on ESPN fifteen thirty Trait

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Speaker 3: Carrol named the Big Eiast Player of the Week, largely

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Speaker 3: on the back of his performance again, so you see.

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Speaker 3: Richard Patina will talk about that on the Richard Patina

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Speaker 3: Radio Show at seven pm on fifty five KRS.

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Speaker 4: Also, T Higgins is back in concussion protocol. Look, which, like.

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Speaker 2: I T played a really good game yesterday.

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Speaker 4: He did.

1284
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 2: I don't know that he should have been allowed to.

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Speaker 4: When when they came back from the break and he

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Speaker 4: was back in the game, I was shocked. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: then he hit it again, yeah, and was back in

1288
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 4: and like after a catch even like you could tell

1289
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Speaker 4: getting up he wasn't right. He had a couple of drops.

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Speaker 4: It just there. It was that. That was a very

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Speaker 4: uneasy situation. And again it's never that's the whole point

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Speaker 4: of like the independent neurologist, Yeah, because the player is

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Speaker 4: never gonna take themselves down.

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Speaker 3: Well, the one play, like on the sideline he hits

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Speaker 3: his head and he came up pointing at his head.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like, hey, it's just out, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what my head? Last I was in didn't miss

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Speaker 3: I missed last week's game right here. You may want to, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to go in the ten you're gonnay, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna come back.

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Speaker 2: And then like I love t Higgins, we all do.

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01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 4: Made a great one hitting catch at the end.

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01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: He was awesome yesterday, but watching him play.

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01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 4: Was was scary. Yep, scary.

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Speaker 2: Answer me this.

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01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,439
Speaker 3: During the course of the game, the Buffalo Bill's only

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01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 3: success in the air came on very quick throws, right,

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01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 3: especially very quick throws where you know it's at the

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Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. Guys run a round of maybe a

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Speaker 3: yard or two. Why was there no defense against it?

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Speaker 4: It was like it was like we were playing the

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01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 4: most explosive passing attack in the in the game. And

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that Josh Allen, He's an m VP

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Speaker 4: for a reason, but Shakir Coleman, Brandon Cook, who they

1315
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 4: just got off the waiver wire. They don't. They don't

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01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 4: throw the ball in the air to beat you. They

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01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 4: rely on yards after the catch, and their offense had

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01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 4: been lacking in one area. Dalton king Kaid's been out,

1319
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 4: so like, here's the most frustrating thing I have with

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01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 4: Al Golden right now, barring the third and fifteen where

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01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 4: everyone knew the run was coming and you're coming out

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Speaker 4: of a timeout. If you would have went into the

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Speaker 4: game yesterday and you would have pulled an average football

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01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 4: fan and said, what's Buffalo's keys? What are they gonna

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01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 4: try to do offensively? You would have probably said, Josh

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Speaker 4: Allen involved in the running game along with James Cook,

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01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 4: and are going to find their tight ends? What they

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01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 4: do that exact thing. Their wide receivers didn't be you.

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01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 4: King Kaid was the leading receiver, Knox was leading receiver,

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Speaker 4: James Cook, those are your top three. No one else

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Speaker 4: beat you. So if we could sit back going into

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Speaker 4: a game and know that, why does it feel like

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01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 4: the Bengals don't know that going into a game, all

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01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 4: the advanced scouting and analytics that we have at our disposal,

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01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 4: that's just football. They're making a big deal about getting

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01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 4: their tight end back for a reason, and it doesn't matter.

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01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 4: It could be Kincaid, it could be Knocks, it could

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01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 4: be Andrews, it could be likely, it could be Darnell Washington.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. Lining the tight end up, they're gonna

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Speaker 4: have a big Day against the Cincinnati Bengals, and yet

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01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 4: they fail to have any type of answer for a

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Speaker 4: tight end beating them.

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Speaker 3: Jay Morrison on Bengals Talk dot Com outlines how the

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Speaker 3: Bengals in many respects are the worst defense in NFL

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Speaker 3: history against tight ends. Yeah, and so like this game

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01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 3: on Sunday against Baltimore. Let's face it, the Ravens were

1347
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 3: very complicit in their own demise on Thanksgiving night. I'm

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01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 3: looking at it two ways, going, Okay, well, we stopped

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Speaker 3: giving the ball to Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna change.

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01:05:58,600 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 3: Also number two, we are just gonna pound the middle

1353
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 3: of the field, which they did to a degree in

1354
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 3: that game with Andrews unlikely.

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01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 4: Well, here's this Andrews likely. Darren Waller is playing really

1356
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 4: good for the Dolphins right now in Tyreek Hill's absence,

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01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 4: Trey McBride might be the best tight end in football.

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01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 4: You don't hear about Arizona? Yeah, was it Fannin and Djoku?

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01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 4: So you're playing good tight ends down the stretch, which

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01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 4: essentially against the Bengals defense at quate to number one

1361
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 4: wide receivers across the NFL. It's not like any of

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01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 4: the remaining teams will go into that game and say, well,

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01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 4: we're good, they're gonna they're all gonna to attack with

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Speaker 4: tight ends.

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Speaker 2: Was last night the end of the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty?

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01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 4: Sure felt like it. Sure felt like it.

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01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 3: Like dynasties end, and usually that's how they end. When

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01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 3: Travis kelcey mishandled that ball that ended up being a

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01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 3: pick with the score of seventeen to ten, First of all,

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01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 3: I thought Chris collins Worth was going to cry. Second, like,

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01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 3: that's often kind of how dynasty's end.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not when like the role players go away, right,

1373
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 4: It's when the best players lose it a little bit.

1374
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 3: It's a Hall of Famer sitting on the sideline staring

1375
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 3: off into the clouds thinking it's over.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Travis Kelsey's gonna come back and

1378
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 3: play next year. He has nothing to prove. His career

1379
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 3: has been. What he has done speaks for himself. That's

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01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 3: kind of how it ends.

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Speaker 4: And the crazy thing is, like, I know by his

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01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 4: standards different he's the second leading tight end in the

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01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 4: NFL this year. Yeah, behind Trey McBride. So it's not

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01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 4: like he's like the fifteenth best and it's just a

1385
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 4: big fall off. I mean, Travis Kelcey this year still

1386
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 4: is producing seven hundred and twenty seven yards, eighty three targets,

1387
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 4: five touchdowns. Like he's still producing. He's the second best

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01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 4: tight end from a production standpoint in the NFL right now.

1389
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 4: It just goes to show how elite he's been in

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01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 4: his career, and it just doesn't feel like it's the

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Speaker 4: same guy right now.

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Speaker 3: I think that the thing for me, Like Patrick Mahomes

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01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 3: is thirty years old. Last year he was good, but

1394
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 3: not by his standards. This year he has been okay,

1395
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 3: but not by his standards. Yeah, if I'm in Kansas City,

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01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 3: that's the thing. Is Patrick Mahomes anytime in the near

1397
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 3: future gonna start to look like.

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01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes again? Right?

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01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 3: Because if the answer is no, then then the rebuild

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Speaker 3: is gonna take is gonna be even more difficult.

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Speaker 4: And you could, like you could make the argument about catching.

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01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 4: That's a hard catch on that interception to Kelsey, no

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01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 4: doubt about it. He's breaking to his right, the throw

1404
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 4: is well behind him. The throw to Raschi Rice was

1405
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 4: well behind him, Like Mahomes was complicit in those issues

1406
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 4: as well. So yeah, I listen, it's never gonna be

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01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 4: easy in the NFL. I'm sure that Kansas City will

1408
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 4: reload in a way and still put a winning product

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01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 4: on the field. I don't think this is to be

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 4: the new norm. Are we talking about them in the

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01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 4: sense of like you're scared of them going forward? Probably not.

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 4: But they'll be relevant going forward, They'll be releve next year.

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01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 4: They're not going away.

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Speaker 2: They're not going away.

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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 3: But it's like they again lest It was like we

1416
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 3: used talking about with Joey Vado when he had his

1417
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 3: first like not MVP caliber season. You're like, you know what,

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01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 3: Mahomes is good, but by his standards not good fields human,

1419
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 3: and this year's kind of been the same. That's career lowan,

1420
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 3: success rate, career lowan, and passer rating.

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Speaker 4: I mean just across the board. It's and that's the

1422
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 4: frustrating part about the Bengals this year. We're talking about

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01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 4: an AFC that's not gonna have Mahomes, not gonna have

1424
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson in the playoffs.

1425
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,799
Speaker 2: Not gonna have potentially gonna have Daniel Jones, not gonna.

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Speaker 4: Have Daniel Jones and the like. But there are so

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01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 4: many openings this year in the AFC. That's that's what

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01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 4: makes this so hard. But all they gotta do is

1429
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 4: go for it, right, I'll tell you this. Buckling down

1430
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 4: the stretch a chain for the Dolphins might break records. Yeah,

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01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 4: Trey McBride has thirty three more catches than Travis Kelce

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01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 4: this year. He might break records down the stretch against

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Speaker 4: the Bengals. It is, but they just go win four

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01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 4: in a row. The four to nine team just has

1435
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 4: to win four in a row. And there's a chance

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01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 4: at eight nine though, we're back in it.

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01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 2: It's eight away from uh five o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I want to talk about the play that

1439
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow threw the first pick on, and then we

1440
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: have the college football playoff to talk about, including Notre

1441
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 3: Dame's decision to not play in some random bowl game.

1442
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 3: There's a lot to get to between now and six.

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Speaker 3: We're at Twin Peaks in Westchester, Tony and Mo Football

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Speaker 3: It is the Toni and Mo Football Show here at

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Speaker 3: Twin Peaks in Westchester. We are here till six o'clock.

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Speaker 3: We're back at the Florence location next week Moegar with

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Speaker 3: Tony Pike. We still have a lot of ground to cover.

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Speaker 3: It's been a newsy day, like.

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Speaker 4: A breaking news record for us on a Monday.

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Speaker 3: We started the show at three o'clock by finding out

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Speaker 3: that Jermaine Burton has been cut.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Then the four o'clock hours started and we found out

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Speaker 3: that Trey Hendrickson is opting for surgery, thus ending his

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five season. And we have just found out.

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Speaker 3: I don't think this comes as a surprise to anybody.

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Speaker 3: Tom Peliasero of NFL Media reports the Week sixteen Bengals

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Speaker 3: Dolphins game flexed out of prime time, so Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: versus two and Tenkov Lowe will now be played on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: December the twenty first, at one o'clock, the Patriots Ravens

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01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 3: game being moved to US Sunday Night Football. Adjust your

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Speaker 3: plans and your life accordingly.

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01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 4: I actually feel like I know a lot of people

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01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 4: that are going to the Miami game.

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Speaker 2: Damn.

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01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,759
Speaker 4: Like I feel like that was one of the games

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01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 4: like on the schedule early like, oh December, right, Miami

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01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 4: Bengals are gonna be good.

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Speaker 3: Well, the eyes of the sports world are gonna be

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01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 3: on Greenville, South Carolina that day Tony when the UC

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01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 3: Bearcats take on the Clemson Tigers in a game that

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01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 3: I think is gonna really jump start the Bearcats season.

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01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 4: Yep, yep, Victor Lockin' still there. Victor Lockin has expired

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01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 4: his eligibility. Okay, there was another Bearcat that moved on

1498
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 4: and played pretty well somewhere else. Let's not go down

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Speaker 4: this path.

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Speaker 3: So Bengals Dolphins will not be in primetime one o'clock

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01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 3: on Sunday to some of the twenty Feuh, we're gonna

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01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 3: get to the college football playoff and I think specifically

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01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 3: Notre Dame here in just a bit, with the contractually

1504
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 3: obligated airing of Zach Taylor's press conferences coming up a

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Speaker 3: little bit later on. Obviously, we have been sifting through

1506
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Speaker 3: the wreckage of a collapse yesterday in Buffalo, the Bengals

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01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 3: losing to the Bills in a game that makes it

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Speaker 3: even more unlikely that.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals qualified for the postseason and needs some other

1510
01:13:58,760 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 2: stuff to happen.

1511
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 3: We talk about Joe Burrow and the pick in the

1512
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 3: fourth quarter of the first of the two picks, the

1513
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 3: pick six is which I think the take that you

1514
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 3: had is the same that I had. Joe Burrow made

1515
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 3: a mistake. Joe Burrow made a play that you can't make,

1516
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 3: especially in that situation. But they're going to happen. He

1517
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 3: needs to be on a team that's best equipped for

1518
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 3: him to be human on that play. Though, from a

1519
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 3: quarterback perspective, what.

1520
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 4: Happened corner blitz, Joe saw it. And nine times out

1521
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 4: of ten, you take that snap and you just throw

1522
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 4: a quick spot route to Jamar Chase, and it's not

1523
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 4: a play meant for, you know, Jamar Chase to go

1524
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 4: eighty yards. It's a play meant to get four or

1525
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 4: five yards, you know, easy completion, get a couple of yards.

1526
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 4: Because by sending that pressure from the corner, Buffalo's trying

1527
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 4: to change the narrative. They're trying to get a stop

1528
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 4: in the backfield on a running play or create an

1529
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 4: issue in the passing game. Remember earlier, right before the

1530
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 4: half ended, Bengals got the ball back. They start moving

1531
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,799
Speaker 4: it and you're like, man, they could deal a heavy

1532
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 4: blow here corner blitz came from Joe's backside and Joe

1533
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 4: never saw Orlando Brown Junior didn't see it. The one

1534
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter came where Joe could see it.

1535
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 4: So he adjust and again nine times out of ten,

1536
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 4: you take that snap, you move it, and you could

1537
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 4: with an arm angle get it around the corner. That's blitzing.

1538
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 4: The problem is is that in the conditions, Joe didn't

1539
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 4: get the snap cleanly, and he had already committed to

1540
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 4: throwing it, so he ends up almost shot putting it

1541
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 4: instead of being able to adjust his arm angle and

1542
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 4: get that ball with a little zip to Jamar Chase.

1543
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 4: Corner still had to make a good play on it.

1544
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 4: Right read right idea, just bad execution. Unfortunately, it happens

1545
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 4: about the second one for me. Guard's got to get

1546
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 4: the defender's hands down. That's still in Fairchild. It's still

1547
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 4: in fair Child. Anytime it wasn't like the guard, it

1548
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 4: wasn't like the defender rushed with the arms up. He

1549
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 4: kept his arms up for about a second or two.

1550
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 4: You got to create a punch. You got to take

1551
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 4: that guy to the ground. Anytime a defender puts his

1552
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 4: arms up immediately. You got to get them down somehow

1553
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 4: with a punch that lowers it. Because all the Bengals

1554
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 4: were trying to do get an easy completion to start

1555
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 4: the drive, and it was Jamar Chase was eight yards

1556
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 4: down the field with if he was gonna catch that

1557
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 4: and probably get a first down, then you feel like

1558
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 4: you're in the drive. The unfortunate nature of the ball

1559
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 4: gets batted up and falls into the hands of a

1560
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 4: of a defender for the Buffalo Bill. So there's nothing

1561
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 4: as a quarterback you can do on that. Yeah, you

1562
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 4: know the first one, Yes, there are things Joe could

1563
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 4: have done better.

1564
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 3: The first one, like as it's unfolding, Yeah, you could

1565
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 3: see it, yep. Right, second one was just a fluke

1566
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 3: right as the first one is happening, like as it jump,

1567
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 3: don't I mean you could.

1568
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 4: Problem is this with the right read because if you

1569
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 4: turn and hand it off, the guy coming off the

1570
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 4: edge is gonna hit the ball carrier in the backfield anyway,

1571
01:16:54,760 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 4: So right read terrible execution. I don't know, Like people said, well,

1572
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 4: what's he supposed to do? There's only two options at

1573
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 4: that point. You either tuck it and you fall down

1574
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 4: and lose two yards or you just try to throw

1575
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 4: the ball at the ground in Jamar Chase's area. I

1576
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 4: think Joe legitimately still thought like, Oh, this corner's coming in,

1577
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 4: I'll just put the touch over it and we'll get

1578
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 4: two yards out of it. Just complete, complete miss of

1579
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 4: a throw from Joe Burrow on the right. I think

1580
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 4: you have to emphasize though it was the right read

1581
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 4: on the play. Okay.

1582
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 3: The other play in the game yesterday that we haven't

1583
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 3: talked about yet was the fourth and goal from the

1584
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 3: three after Buffalo has a touchdown taken off the board.

1585
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 3: You know, it's a thirty two to twenty eight game.

1586
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 3: Buffalo understandably is trying to go up by two scorers.

1587
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 4: Where's the pass rush?

1588
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 3: Nonexistent there to me is where is where Trey Hendricks

1589
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 3: came in it?

1590
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's not there. And the more frustrating

1591
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 4: thing again, the player that catches it is a tight end.

1592
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so red zone alert, Alert, alert and like their

1593
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 3: third tight end like alert, what is a tight end?

1594
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 2: What is Barrett Carter doing on that play?

1595
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 4: Correct? And I think I think you can make an

1596
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 4: argument I didn't. I didn't clip it. Yet they they

1597
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 4: send like teams normally do on a on a fourth

1598
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 4: and short from the goal line, a fullback to the

1599
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 4: flat three. Bengals went with the fullback. Now I don't

1600
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 4: even know who the fullback was, but I can guarantee

1601
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,679
Speaker 4: you he doesn't need to be triple covered. So there

1602
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 4: was clearly a miscommunication or a missed assignment on that play,

1603
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 4: which then takes an extra hat out of the middle

1604
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 4: of the field. So again, anytime you give Josh Allen

1605
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 4: that much time and you're triple teaming one guy who

1606
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 4: doesn't need to be triple team, someone's gonna pop open.

1607
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 4: But the lack of pass rushes is maddening. Like you said,

1608
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 4: on a play where if you get the ball back,

1609
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 4: you still feel like you're gonna go win the game,

1610
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 4: Like that's that's how good Joe is. You get that

1611
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 4: stop and like they're gonna go win. I truly believe that.

1612
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 2: I agree.

1613
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 4: I truly believe they would have had a chance to

1614
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 4: win had they got the third and fifteenth three.

1615
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 3: Say which one about the two picks that Joe throws

1616
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 3: in either one of those the set of circumstances, had

1617
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 3: Joe Burr gotten the ball back down by a score.

1618
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they win all game.

1619
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,759
Speaker 4: He was in such a good rhythm because he didn't

1620
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 4: have to force it to anyone. Yeah, Like they were

1621
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 4: clearly working to take Jamar out. He's still got Jamar

1622
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 4: looks more than happy to find Mike Asiki at a

1623
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 4: Monster game yesterday. Yeah, more than happy to find t Higgins,

1624
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 4: more than happy to find Chase Brown out of the backfield.

1625
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 4: I had all the faith in the world if they

1626
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 4: get that stop on third down to fifteen, they're gonna

1627
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 4: go down and threaten in the read zone. Agreed, That's

1628
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 4: what made it that much worse.

1629
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 2: I thought that they would at least be in a

1630
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:37,759
Speaker 2: position to score.

1631
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 3: And maybe they wouldn't have finished the drive, but I

1632
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 3: think they would have been a position to score.

1633
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 4: And I'll still naive enough. And I don't know why,

1634
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 4: because I've watched this defense all year that when like

1635
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 4: Josh Allen broke through the initial line, I'm like, all right,

1636
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 4: there's two defenders that are off the screen still that

1637
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 4: are about to insert and make this tackle, and that

1638
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 4: is the play wind. I'm like, wait, what that's Gino's done.

1639
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 2: No, here's number twenty two.

1640
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 4: No, No, no chance.

1641
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 3: Next year at linebacker all goodness, because I can hear

1642
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 3: it now. Well, you know, no Demetrious Knight and Barrett

1643
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 3: Carter are gonna benefit from that year of experience. Those

1644
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 3: two guys, unchallenged, can't be your starting list backers next year.

1645
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 4: Demetrious Knight right now, Pro Football Focus ranks him as

1646
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 4: the worst linebacker in football.

1647
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 3: And that's remarkable to me because his teammate, I think,

1648
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 3: is actually worse.

1649
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 4: Barrett Carter is the giving up the most yards per

1650
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 4: coverage attempt by a linebacker in the NFL. And oh,

1651
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 4: by the way, Oron Burks granted as the worst cover

1652
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 4: linebacker in all the NFL. Their three linebackers are dead

1653
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 4: last in categories where I was told they would excel.

1654
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 4: I thought Aaron Burks could cover.

1655
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 2: I thought Golden. Now Golden emphasizes linebacker well.

1656
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 4: Oron Burke's athlete can't cover anyone. Barrett Carter, when he

1657
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 4: does cover someone, gives up the most yards per completion

1658
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 4: of any linebacker. And Demetrious Knight as a whole is

1659
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 4: the worst linebacker in football from a PSF standpoint, in

1660
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 4: the position group in which your defensive coordinator specializes, in

1661
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 4: which you used multiple draft picks, and that's one of

1662
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 4: your free agent signings. One, by the way, was not

1663
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 4: a player you'll see tonight who is one of the

1664
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 4: highest graded linebackers and all the footballs. Do you hot Campbell?

1665
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 4: Remember all that Campbell talk we said? And they're like,

1666
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 4: whoa butt?

1667
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 3: Mo?

1668
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 4: That guy he's good and all. But what about Demetrius

1669
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 4: Knight because he's like twenty five and he's seen it all.

1670
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 3: I guess what I don't understand is like, it's one

1671
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 3: thing if you want to go, but you know what

1672
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 3: those two young guys, and by the way, Demitrius Knight

1673
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 3: is twenty five, but those two draft choices, they have

1674
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 3: a ways to go.

1675
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 4: Those three guys are terrible. I'd ask Austin said today

1676
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 4: he's like he said, I think Demetrius Knight's getting better,

1677
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 4: And I said, what on what? But I think there's

1678
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 4: like a point of how bad it was versus how

1679
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 4: bad it is now that maybe you can say there's improvement.

1680
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 4: But my goodness, to be the worst linebacker in all.

1681
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: Of football, even if they are getting better, which I

1682
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 3: don't believe they are, how could those two guys, how

1683
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 3: could you say next year's defense, that's our linebacking group.

1684
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 3: How no, how as bad as they've been this year,

1685
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 3: how could you do that?

1686
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 4: Camp? Like, I hate we're already talking we have to

1687
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 4: start talking to eventually about next year. How can you

1688
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,560
Speaker 4: go into next year with those that core of linebacker combines?

1689
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 2: Like ten weeks away?

1690
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 4: But how can you be how can you be serious

1691
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 4: about the direction? Because if this season ends, MO, you're

1692
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 4: talking about back to back years where you have wasted

1693
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 4: a lead offensive production. Uh huh, same thing we did

1694
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 4: last year and said what they just got to get

1695
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 4: the defense to the middle of the pack. Defense got

1696
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 4: worse this year. How are you gonna get any better?

1697
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 4: What are the grounds for belief right now on the

1698
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 4: defensive side of the ball with the player and talent evaluation?

1699
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 4: I saw this Joe Goodbury twet this out today and

1700
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 4: then Kelsey Conway I believe, retweeted it. Over the last

1701
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 4: three years, the Bengals defense is thirtieth inn EPA per play,

1702
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 4: thirty first in opponent success rates. They're a bottom five

1703
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 4: pass defense and a bottom three run defense for now

1704
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 4: three seasons. It's not getting any better. This year is worse,

1705
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 4: and it's not like it just like flung upon you

1706
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 4: this year. It's been three years and now this is

1707
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 4: the worst culminating defense in three years of bad defenses.

1708
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 4: Where's the belief that it's gonna get better.

1709
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 3: Not at this table. It's seventeen minutes after five o'clock.

1710
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 3: We'll get to the college football playoff when we come back.

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1730
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Speaker 3: here in just a bit.

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Speaker 4: There were so many people who just were like relieved, Yeah, Like, oh,

1732
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 4: I didn't miss it. By the way, we just got

1733
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 4: a chance to meet Mike McMillan.

1734
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, the winner, winner, the winner of the SIMS Furniture

1735
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 3: Ultimate Fan Cave Giveaway. Congratulations to Mike. A few things

1736
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 3: really quick. Burton cut Trey Hendrickson's gonna get cut on.

1737
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,600
Speaker 3: He's opting for surgery. His season is over. Bengals Dolphins

1738
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 3: flexed out of prime time on the twenty first to'll

1739
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 3: play at one o'clock College Football Playoff.

1740
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 2: Oh did the committee get it right?

1741
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 4: I don't think so. A lot of things happened. I mean,

1742
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 4: you have Duke that won the ACC that doesn't get in,

1743
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 4: so the ACC doesn't get an automatic.

1744
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 2: That's not the committee's fault.

1745
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 4: Correct, Correct. I don't understand how you view certain opponents

1746
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 4: versus others. Alabama, if you watch the game, it wasn't

1747
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 4: as close as twenty eight to seven. They did not

1748
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 4: get penalized for losing that game. BYU got beat as well.

1749
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 4: BYU is penalized for losing the Big twelve title game.

1750
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 4: Those two things don't make sense. And if you if

1751
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 4: you just go to the very core strength of schedule

1752
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 4: BYU strength of schedules twenty two, Miami of Florida's forty

1753
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 4: five Notre Dame is forty four. Notre Dame's losses came

1754
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 4: to Miami in Texas A and M two teams that

1755
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,719
Speaker 4: are in the playoff. BYU's losses came at Texas Tech

1756
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 4: and in the Big twelve championship game against Texas Tech.

1757
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 4: Miami's losses came against SMU and Louisville. I just, I

1758
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 4: just the only thing I don't like about it is

1759
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 4: it doesn't feel like there's any rhyme or reason why

1760
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 4: some things are viewed some way and others reviewed the other.

1761
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 3: So there's no consistency, correct, So let me start with

1762
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 3: my take on Miami and Notre Dame. If it's me,

1763
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 3: Miami would have been ranked ahead of Notre Dame. But

1764
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 3: that wouldn't have started yesterday, right, And.

1765
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 4: So that's the issue.

1766
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 3: I understand and agree with Notre Dame's gripe. Wait a minute,

1767
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 3: all this time, including in the second to last rankings,

1768
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 3: we've been ranked ahead of We've been ranked ahead of Miami.

1769
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 2: This weekend. We didn't play right.

1770
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 3: We put nothing on the field, no data on the field,

1771
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 3: not to change or affect your opinion, and now we're

1772
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 3: behind them.

1773
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 2: That makes zero sense.

1774
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 4: That's the thing. If weeks leading up it was like that, Okay,

1775
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 4: head to head matters, right, and you.

1776
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 2: Could argue about it or argue how much it should matter.

1777
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 4: Do you think it mattered that they that Miami was

1778
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 4: the ACC team and that they felt they needed to

1779
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 4: get that in.

1780
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 3: We're talking about human beings, right, How for the committee

1781
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 3: is fourteen people, which seems like a bit much, But okay,

1782
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 3: you can't tell me that there were some of them

1783
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 3: who weren't like, we need an ACC team. And I

1784
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 3: if it's me, I'm on the committee, and you go, okay,

1785
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 3: Notre Dame or Miami.

1786
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:30,879
Speaker 2: I would say Miami.

1787
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 3: But if I'm a Notre Dame fan, I woke up

1788
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 3: yesterday morning thinking, at the very least, we're gonna be

1789
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 3: ranked ahead of Miami. If you want to make it

1790
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 3: about Notre Dame versus Alabama. That's that's one thing, because

1791
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 3: Alabama did play. But I at least my head hit

1792
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 3: the pillow on Saturday believing because of the four weeks

1793
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 3: leading up to it, Miami will not leap fra August

1794
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 3: because they didn't play and we didn't play.

1795
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 4: Yep.

1796
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 2: And now suddenly, wait a.

1797
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 4: Minute out of nowhere.

1798
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 2: So I understand the gripe.

1799
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 3: I agree with the gripe, even if I believe they

1800
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 3: ultimately achieve the correct outcome, which that in itself, to me,

1801
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 3: is an indictment against this process.

1802
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 4: And again, the consistency or lack thereof Alabama loses to

1803
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 4: the number three ranked team gets blown out, they don't

1804
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 4: drop b Why you lose to the fourth ranked team,

1805
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 4: they drop out of it.

1806
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 3: So I am also a believer that if you play

1807
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 3: in the thirteenth game, you shouldn't be penalized.

1808
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 4: Correct, But there is precedent.

1809
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 3: Happened to Georgia, a top ranked Georgia team a few

1810
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 3: years ago, we still had the fourteen playoff. Happen with

1811
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 3: Auburn a number of years ago, when we still had

1812
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 3: a fourteen playoff. And so again it's about consistency. If

1813
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 3: you want to say that playing the thirteenth game, we're

1814
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 3: not going to penalize you for losing. First of all,

1815
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 3: they played terribly in that game. Yes, we're not going

1816
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 3: to penalize you for losing. I understand, Except that's the

1817
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 3: there's precedent, there's precedent that says, well, we actually can

1818
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 3: move a team down that does play the thirteenth game.

1819
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 3: And again, if you want to say apples to Orange's

1820
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 3: fourteen field versus twelve team field, but then look at

1821
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 3: what happened to be, why.

1822
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 4: Would be why you have been in if they didn't

1823
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 4: play in the Big twelve title game. Let's say Utah, No,

1824
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess no, if they went in ranked eleven,

1825
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:12,839
Speaker 4: would they have dropped?

1826
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 3: Well, if they would have been eleven, they still would

1827
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 3: have been on the beause James Madison and and Tulane.

1828
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 4: What did you make of o Higo States loss?

1829
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 3: To me, it was all about Indiana's defense and those

1830
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 3: of may Throws made that third down.

1831
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 4: But like I'm watching that and I'm like, this does

1832
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 4: not look like the Ohio State team I've watched multiple times.

1833
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 2: How about Ryan Day electing the field goal, which they missed.

1834
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, week down three, they threw the ball third one

1835
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 4: twice I've seen I've only seen two of them this year.

1836
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 4: Julian say, and shouldn't run quarterback snakes. No, his technique

1837
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 4: just isn't good with them. You've got you've got like

1838
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,560
Speaker 4: Cornell tait I. I wondered if he was in the

1839
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 4: game at times. Jeremiah Smith like, those guys should not

1840
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 4: be able to be taken out of a game. And

1841
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 4: again I credited Indiana on the back end. I thought

1842
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 4: they were causing some confusion with Julian saying, but I

1843
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,679
Speaker 4: credited Indiana. They made plays, you know, Austin to it today.

1844
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 4: There were times there was good coverage, just a better

1845
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 4: play was made. Yeah, Indiana went and won that game.

1846
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 4: But I was I was curious in the fourth quarter

1847
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 4: when Ohio State had the ball, it felt like they

1848
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 4: were running out the clock. They were winning, Yeah, they were.

1849
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 4: They were huddling, they were taking their time. They did

1850
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 4: that before the half as well. I mean Joe Kladis

1851
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 4: at the half of HEAs clambered, why is Ohio State

1852
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 4: letting all this time run off? Why are they not

1853
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 4: trying to go score and go get points? It was

1854
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 4: just odd, and I'm not saying that like Ohio State, like,

1855
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 4: did they keep it vanilla? Very? Did they keep it basic?

1856
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 4: Do you think they did that for a reason.

1857
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 3: I think it was we think we can win our

1858
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 3: dudes versus their dudes. We'll keep it vanilla and if

1859
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:52,799
Speaker 3: we still lose, we're going to be a top.

1860
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 4: Fourteen yea, as they should be, and arguably they might

1861
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 4: have a better path.

1862
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I agree really quick on Notre Dame. So

1863
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 3: they decide we're not going to play in a bowl game?

1864
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 4: Good? Are you okay with that? Absolutely?

1865
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 2: I'm okay with it.

1866
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 4: Yep.

1867
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 3: So my first thought was better to not put a

1868
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 3: team on the field than what Florida State put on the.

1869
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 4: Field in a bowl game two years And if you're

1870
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 4: Miami like or if you're Notre Dame, I like, okay,

1871
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 4: so you want to screw us, but then you want

1872
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 4: to make money off us going and playing in this bowl. Also, like, I'm.

1873
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 3: Good Marcus Freeman and the ad there, which I haven't

1874
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 3: agreed with everything he has said. Their responsibility is to

1875
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 3: Notre Dame if they don't think it's in the program's

1876
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 3: best interest to play in a meaningless bowl.

1877
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:30,919
Speaker 2: Game, then don't.

1878
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 3: Play right, all these other schools are allowed to get

1879
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 3: a jump start on what's next. Iowa State chose not

1880
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 3: to play in a bowl game, Kansas State chose not

1881
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 3: to play in a bowl game. A whole host of

1882
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 3: five and seven teams have said thanks, but no thanks

1883
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 3: to a bowl game. They're all allowed to kind of

1884
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 3: get a jump start on next year, especially in this

1885
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 3: era where ball games have never mattered less end of

1886
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 3: players opting out. I have zero issue with Notre Dame

1887
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 3: deciding we don't want to play in a game, like the.

1888
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 4: Hard part about overall, I agree with what Notre Dame did.

1889
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 4: The way that things are structure right now in the

1890
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:03,600
Speaker 4: college football playoff, even the first round games kind of

1891
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:04,680
Speaker 4: lose their luster a little bit.

1892
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 2: Well, there's rematches two of them which aren't great.

1893
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 4: No James Madison Oregon as good of a season it

1894
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 4: was for James Madison, Oregon's gonna wipe the floor with them.

1895
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 3: Do you believe that the system we have in place

1896
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 3: now which opens the door for schools like James Madison

1897
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 3: and Tulane to get in is one that we should

1898
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 3: move forward with. Where they are two of the top

1899
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:28,679
Speaker 3: five highest rated conferences.

1900
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 4: It's hard so they get in because you're always gonna

1901
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 4: you're always gonna want to push the bar back. Well,

1902
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 4: you know, if there were sixteen teams, we would run

1903
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 4: into this problem, sure we would. Would it would get

1904
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 4: to fourteen, the number fifteen would be pissed, Like, you're

1905
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 4: never gonna make everybody happy. I get I still, if

1906
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 4: it's just about watching and viewership, yeah, offense to James Madison. Yeah,

1907
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 4: I want to see the best. I want to see

1908
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 4: the twelve best teams in the playoff. Ask and right

1909
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 4: now they're not.

1910
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,799
Speaker 3: Ask your average college football fan would you rather watch

1911
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:54,719
Speaker 3: in the playoffs?

1912
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 4: And like, would I like to see Diego Pavia? Would

1913
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 4: I like to see Texas? Would I like to see BYU?

1914
01:32:59,840 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 3: No?

1915
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,679
Speaker 4: No offense to those other teams. I want to see

1916
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 4: the best teams.

1917
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 2: And I'm sensitive to this because the team that I

1918
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 2: root for not that long ago was a group before school.

1919
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 3: Correct, but they had a special season one all their

1920
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 3: games one at Notre Dame.

1921
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 4: Yeah they weren't. They weren't James Madden. Like, no offense

1922
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 4: to James Madison, like you see, was a powerhouse that year, right,

1923
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 4: No offense to Tulane you see was a powerhouse that.

1924
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 3: Year well, and did it on the field against Notre Dame, correct,

1925
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 3: which was team number five that year.

1926
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:30,799
Speaker 4: Correct.

1927
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 3: And so I'm really split, Like I'm not excited to

1928
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 3: watch James Madison play Oregon and like I get I'm

1929
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 3: a huge college basketball fan. So that you have the

1930
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 3: one versus sixteen, we let the little guy in. There

1931
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 3: is a marked difference between letting the little guy in

1932
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,759
Speaker 3: a sixty eighteen field and a twelve team field.

1933
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 4: Do you want my hot take please? Texas Tech a

1934
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Speaker 4: play for the national title. We're on the same page. Gosh,

1935
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 4: they're good, Like people get so caught up in Indiana,

1936
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Speaker 4: Ohio State and not get it in Georgia the sec

1937
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Speaker 4: You watch that team man offensively, defense, they got it.

1938
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Speaker 4: They lost one game all year when their starting quarterback

1939
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 4: was out, and they covered in every game but one

1940
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Speaker 4: this year. Huh, not only one, which is important. They

1941
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Speaker 4: covered the number every time they played. Yeah, I think

1942
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Speaker 4: Texas Tech is going to play Georgia.

1943
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Speaker 3: Yep, we'll see the contractually obligated airing of Zach Taylor's

1944
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1945
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1950
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1951
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1954
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1955
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1956
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1957
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1958
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1959
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1960
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1961
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1962
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Speaker 3: Jermaine Burton cut Trey Hendrickson is going to have surgery.

1963
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1964
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1965
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1966
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1967
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Speaker 3: It's time for the contractionally obligated airing of Zach Taylor's

1968
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Speaker 3: Monday press conference on ESPN fifteen.

1969
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1970
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1971
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1972
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1973
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Speaker 1: official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1974
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Speaker 9: On PJ, Jeulescott hurt. Yeah, PJ will be week to

1975
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 9: week with an ankle and then how did aside them

1976
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 9: out of that game?

1977
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 5: Laceration? So I think he'll be okay. Well, we'll see

1978
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Speaker 5: where it is. He might be limited early in the week,

1979
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Speaker 5: but it was a laceration.

1980
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Speaker 4: There's no change on Trey status.

1981
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Speaker 9: Would expect Trey will be out.

1982
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Speaker 5: So he's seen another specialist today and we'll see where

1983
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Speaker 5: that goes.

1984
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Speaker 4: Think of the Jermaine Burke suspension just for that game

1985
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Speaker 4: you visit.

1986
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Speaker 9: So we're we're releasing Jermaine today. What led to that decision?

1987
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 9: Just decision to make. We just made it. We're going

1988
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Speaker 9: to release him and move on and wish him the best.

1989
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Speaker 3: I'll put us just picked never materialized like the talent

1990
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Speaker 3: y'all saw, y'all draft him, just never came to potion.

1991
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think everybody worked really hard at it and

1992
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Speaker 5: wishing the best. Hopefully he gets to change the scenery

1993
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Speaker 5: and can do good things for him what precipitated his

1994
01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 5: suspension side, I won't get into that.

1995
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Speaker 9: We're gonna really him today else we'll come off this week.

1996
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Speaker 5: We'll see, we'll get to Wednesday and then sort through

1997
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:09,879
Speaker 5: how we want to approach it this week.

1998
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Speaker 9: So we'll get to Wednesday and make a decision on

1999
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 9: that with Tray seeing the specialist.

2000
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Speaker 4: Is that gonna is that changes? Is there a chance

2001
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 4: he could come back at some point.

2002
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Speaker 9: Or what is he I'm not sure yet. We'll get

2003
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Speaker 9: more information.

2004
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Speaker 4: On that today.

2005
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Speaker 9: But he's out. But he's out for this week. He's

2006
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 9: out for this week. Uh, any you just gotta make

2007
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 9: a movie or receive it or we'll see what.

2008
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Speaker 5: We'll see where we end up with with the roster spots.

2009
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Speaker 5: So anyway, I'm not gonna speak too soon on that.

2010
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Speaker 5: We've got to Wednesday really later this week to see

2011
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 5: how it sorts out.

2012
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Speaker 3: What specific I know what that's been like back hip

2013
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,760
Speaker 3: Elvis on Trey, What do you have more details of

2014
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 3: what exactly he's doing?

2015
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Speaker 9: What kind of all that? Okay, Titans and has been

2016
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:01,560
Speaker 9: probably a source spot for you guys. What can you

2017
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 9: do to fix that? There's a couple of things.

2018
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Speaker 5: I mean, we can be better on some of the snaps,

2019
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 5: not buying so much on the action in front of them,

2020
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 5: and there's other ways. I know I was trying to

2021
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 5: help them scommatically as well. So each one's a little

2022
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 5: bit of it's a unique look because you might be

2023
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:18,680
Speaker 5: at a different coverage, it might be a different look, might

2024
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 5: be a different way that they got the tight end there.

2025
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 5: But certainly has been something that's bit us and we've

2026
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 5: got to work out crazy direct by it.

2027
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Speaker 11: How much of it is two rookie linebackers is gonna

2028
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 11: got to come in and try to pick on that.

2029
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Speaker 9: And that has kind of sorted of itself. That happens sometimes.

2030
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Speaker 5: I think they've they've continued to gain the experience through it,

2031
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Speaker 5: and so some things that maybe got them earlier in

2032
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 5: the season, they've done a great job reacting to it.

2033
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Speaker 5: This is one that you know didn't work well for

2034
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Speaker 5: us in this last game, but feel good about how

2035
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Speaker 5: we can rectify that and continue.

2036
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Speaker 9: Tom proved to stop it.

2037
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 4: Did you expect or I hope that it would be

2038
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 4: at a better level though by this point this season.

2039
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Speaker 9: Well, there's there's two elements to it.

2040
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Speaker 5: They're doing a much better job stopping the run, obviously,

2041
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 5: and so when teams are utilizing that's your advantage. There's

2042
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 5: some big place behind the past game. That's really a

2043
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 5: team that comes in and runs the ball really well.

2044
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Speaker 9: Typically they're a.

2045
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Speaker 5: Good play action team behind it when they've got a

2046
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:11,639
Speaker 5: quarterback like they do and they get the tight ends statue.

2047
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 5: So it's hand in hand if you played a team

2048
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 5: who who's first in the league and rushing, So how

2049
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 5: are you going to stop that? You've got to commit

2050
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 5: to stopping it, and at times it's going to free

2051
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Speaker 5: up some guys behind you.

2052
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Speaker 9: You don't want it to happen. We have tools to

2053
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 9: make sure that doesn't happen.

2054
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Speaker 5: But it happened, and the reality is they're a really

2055
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 5: good run team and they can capitalize on it sometimes

2056
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 5: and get some big explosives off in the past game.

2057
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Speaker 11: It's it fig to say the tight end issue has

2058
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 11: been kind of the biggest factor in what's gone, particularly

2059
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:38,719
Speaker 11: sideways on defense.

2060
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Speaker 9: Well, that's beginning's both.

2061
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Speaker 5: I think we've been better against the run as of

2062
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 5: late these last couple of weeks, and so to combat that,

2063
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:48,600
Speaker 5: some teams are hard action and trying to get the

2064
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 5: tight ends behind you. And again I'm not saying we've

2065
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 5: done a great job against it. There are snaps where

2066
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 5: we have done a great job where you don't even

2067
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 5: notice it because it's been taken away, and there's been

2068
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 5: some times where you get a bo and we have

2069
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 5: to be much better there.

2070
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 4: How can Dimitris Night specifically play better?

2071
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 9: What are the biggest things you're looking.

2072
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 4: For for growth from them?

2073
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 9: How can you play better? Yeah, what are the biggest

2074
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 9: looking I think for both.

2075
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 5: Those guys, it's again just continue to gain experience with

2076
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 5: each snap and don't make the same mistake twice and

2077
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 5: learn from what you're seeing. And I think they do

2078
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 5: a great job with their preperation through the week where

2079
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 5: they've gained a lot of confidence through what they've seen,

2080
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:22,640
Speaker 5: and the guys around them have gained a lot of

2081
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 5: confidence and some of the adjustments they got to make

2082
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:28,080
Speaker 5: on the move. They've done an excellent job growing in

2083
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 5: that area. And again they're on games. You know, I've

2084
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 5: said this before, they're on games you know, eight and

2085
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 5: thirteen or whatever it is is starting. We played some

2086
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 5: guys that have one hundred starts under their belt, and

2087
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 5: so again that's that's one of those key positions where

2088
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 5: the experience really helps you the more you can gain,

2089
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 5: and so we're trying to get that experience to them

2090
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 5: as quickly as possible so that the payoff can be

2091
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 5: as quickly as possible, because we see high end trades

2092
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 5: from those guys, and I think they're making really good

2093
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:56,479
Speaker 5: progress and I still have really high ups for them

2094
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:58,840
Speaker 5: and proud of the growth that they've had. And it

2095
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 5: doesn't mean that there's not gonna be some cups along

2096
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 5: the way, but they're made of the right stuff and

2097
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 5: we'll continue to invest him.

2098
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:08,720
Speaker 11: What did you think of Tea's play yesterday and what

2099
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 11: he has been playing through and the effort that he

2100
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:14,720
Speaker 11: has made to get himself back on the people, going

2101
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 11: through the protocol and all of it.

2102
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 5: He made some enormous place for us in the game.

2103
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 5: And so again he comes up really big and big moments,

2104
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 5: and he's a guy that joke and trust and so

2105
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 5: so proud of the way they handle that.

2106
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 3: There were a lot of conversations about obviously he had

2107
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:31,639
Speaker 3: one of the protocols clear the protocol.

2108
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 2: What's that conversation like between the independent spot er Matt

2109
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 2: and you in terms of how available a player is.

2110
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:41,840
Speaker 5: I'm just told if he's available or not. And so

2111
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,880
Speaker 5: I think what happened yesterday was obviously there's some that

2112
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 5: looked bad. He felt good throughout. It is what I've

2113
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:52,639
Speaker 5: you know, gained throughout the game and postgame. Obviously he

2114
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 5: did this morning and last night and half symptoms again,

2115
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:58,759
Speaker 5: So we will put him back into protocol. But again,

2116
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:01,680
Speaker 5: just I talked to T one on one two and

2117
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 5: when you feel this because you're you're worried about the guy, Okay,

2118
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:04,760
Speaker 5: did you feel during the game?

2119
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 2: Now?

2120
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 5: I felt fine, you know, I took hits, I got

2121
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 5: up and felt fine, and and then after the fact

2122
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 5: reported that he felt concussion symptoms.

2123
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:14,599
Speaker 9: So we'll put him back in the protocol and we'll

2124
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 9: go through that this week.

2125
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 3: Is right, I mean, how what was your reaction like,

2126
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 3: given like all of that information, as you gain it.

2127
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 9: Now he's you know, experienced the symptoms again. You know,

2128
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,360
Speaker 9: is there anything you wish you could have done differently? No,

2129
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 9: it's hard because in the game you don't you don't

2130
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 9: really see it all.

2131
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 5: And the first one happens on their sidelines, so probably

2132
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 5: you will have a better perspective than anyone on our sidelines.

2133
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 9: And so it's true.

2134
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 5: And again he he The way he talks to me

2135
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 5: about it was I got hit and so I'm shaking

2136
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 5: up on the play just from my football head. And

2137
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 5: by the time the dogs got out there, I felt fine.

2138
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 5: I got up and and it was for good, cleared everything.

2139
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 5: And then postgame to get on the plane coming this morning,

2140
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 5: and he's doing the right thing and saying, Okay, now

2141
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 5: I don't feel great, and so we'll put him back.

2142
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 9: In the protocol.

2143
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,559
Speaker 4: Mathematically, it's not that different from last year.

2144
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,720
Speaker 11: You're to get into the playoffs at this point, do

2145
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 11: you guys talk about anything like.

2146
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 5: We gotta win. That's as simple as that. I don't

2147
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 5: know what the odds are. I know they're not zero,

2148
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 5: and so what I told our guys, the odds are zero.

2149
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 5: So we're gonna keep fighting, keep scratching and keep kawing,

2150
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 5: keep approaching every week the way we've been doing it,

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Speaker 5: and we just got to win.

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Speaker 8: Very good line, yep, well both.

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Speaker 4: Of you guys.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Hi, I thought they did a great job and protection.

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Speaker 5: Joe did a good job buying some I mean sometimes,

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Speaker 5: I mean really that the two sacks were getting up

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Speaker 5: the last two weeks, we're corner blitz is totally different situations.

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Speaker 5: One was a third down, you know, the guy's role pressure,

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Speaker 5: and the one against Baltimore was the first second down

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Speaker 5: under center play action. So those are two that that

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Speaker 5: you know, he's just it's good calls by the defense.

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Speaker 5: The line's done a great job and protection they've given

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Speaker 5: him time. The throat to Gaseki yesterday, we blocked everyone

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Speaker 5: we could. We got a great squeeze on the right side.

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Speaker 5: There's an unlocked player we can't account for. That's Joe's guide.

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Speaker 5: Joe makes a miss and hits Kosecke for touchdowns. So

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Speaker 5: I thought everybody did a really good job versus the pressure.

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Speaker 5: For the most part, there's one or two that were tough,

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Speaker 5: and the line's been a big part of that. And

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Speaker 5: in the run game, they're giving us exactly what we need.

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Speaker 5: In some key situations. First down, it was a little

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Speaker 5: hard to mix our runs with some of the looks

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Speaker 5: they were giving us that weren't always successful. But I

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Speaker 5: thought on second down and third down, we did a

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Speaker 5: great job around football and that's the credit to the

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Speaker 5: guys at front, the backs, and the tight ends, and

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Speaker 5: I thought that was really well executed.

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Speaker 4: I know the yards.

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Speaker 5: Aren't there necessarily, but we got what we needed out

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Speaker 5: of them when we needed it.

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Speaker 1: This has been a Zach Taylor press conference on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of US Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: There you go, the contractually obligated airing of Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 3: press conference. Bengals getting set to take on the Baltimore

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Speaker 3: Ravens on Sunday at one o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: We are finished.

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Speaker 3: What to thank the staff here at Twin Peaks in

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Speaker 3: West Chin to four having us. We will be at

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Speaker 3: the Florence location next week. We are looking forward to

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Speaker 3: that day after the Bengals take on the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 4: Victory Monday next week, hopefully stave off elimination victory Monday,

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Speaker 4: can a win? I'm just asking you, hope so okay,

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Speaker 4: hope so for to row Baby.

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Speaker 2: If they win, they cannot be eliminated.

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Speaker 4: Four to row Baby.

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Speaker 3: If they win on Sundays, they will still be mathematically alive.

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Speaker 4: Facts.

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Speaker 3: When we go to Twin Peaks and Florence a week

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Speaker 3: from today, I want to thank Mike Mills and Joe

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Speaker 3: Strecker Double Dip for producing on site shows so good

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Speaker 3: it needs two different engineers yep, and of course our

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Speaker 3: guy tarn Back and Kenwood. We are done. The Mark

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Speaker 3: Pope Radio Show is next. That'll be an uplifting hour.

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Speaker 3: Have an awesome night. Don't forget since he three to

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Speaker 3: sixty tomorrow night noon, and I am back at three

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Speaker 3: oh five tomorrow, I have a great night. This is

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

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