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I'd like to get you a pair 19 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: of golf shoes, by the way. 20 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 4: Thank you. I used to play golf. That would have 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 4: been nice. Yeah, you didn't do it when I needed Oh. 22 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: No, you know what, Now I have this great deal. Oh, 23 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 3: my friends are truly so. Mike Congrin's with us, and man, 24 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: there's a lot to talk about, a lot to talk 25 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: about before we even get to the Seahawk game last 26 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: week and the game with the Colts coming up on Sunday. 27 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: We got to get your thoughts as a former college 28 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 3: quarterback and a guy that coached in college. Man, the 29 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: Sharon Moore story coming out of Michigan fired yesterday for 30 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 3: violating his moral turpitude clause and his contract by having 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: an alleged affair with a thirty two year old staff member. 32 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 3: What you making the news coming out of ann Arbory yesterday? 33 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, you know, for me, the first thing that 34 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 4: struck me it was very so how sad it was? Right, 35 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: here's a guy, the head coach of one of the 36 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 4: premiere programs in the country. How many how many coaches 37 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 4: in the country are growing up dream of having that 38 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 4: position a lot, and so to kick it away with 39 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 4: something like that, it's sad to me. That's basically what 40 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 4: I can say. 41 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 5: What do you think the level of interest would be 42 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 5: amongst NFL head coaches for the Michigan jobs. Certainly, it 43 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 5: wouldn't happen for very many colleges, but Michigan might be 44 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 5: one on that list head coaches didn't Yes, I coaches 45 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 5: the NFL to go to go to. 46 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 4: Michigan, I don't know. You know what, It's interesting You 47 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 4: get guys that have come into the NFL who are 48 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 4: great college coaches and it didn't work quite so well 49 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 4: when back. That's the that's the biggest that that might happen. 50 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 4: I don't think if anyone falls into that category. But 51 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 4: once you get into the NFL, at least I felt 52 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 4: that way. You know, you're you're you kind of reached 53 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 4: the pinnacle of your profession, of the of the sport, 54 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 4: and uh to leave something, to just leave something and 55 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 4: go back, I don't. I don't see it happening. I 56 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 4: think now's listen, it's Michigan. 57 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 5: So and there's a lot of enough franchises out there 58 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 5: that are just not that prestigious. 59 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 4: No, No, there are, and there are coaches that are 60 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: kind of struggling. Really good coaches probably, but it's not 61 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 4: working because of the owner, because of your general manager. 62 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 4: It's not working. So you say, okay, because you know, 63 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: Tom Osborne told me this once, the coach in Nebraska, 64 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 4: he goes my job at Nebraska. I'm and you said 65 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 4: it in a kind of a quiet It was a 66 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 4: little bit some humility. He goes, but he goes. Honestly, 67 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 4: in the state of Nebraska, I'm the most important person, 68 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 4: not the president of the university, not the governor. Me. Right, 69 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 4: So there are Michigan. I think it's not quite that dramatic, 70 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 4: but that's a pretty good job. 71 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: I just get the feeling that the most that the 72 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: least attractive job in the NFL will always be more 73 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: attractive to the most attractive job in college football, and 74 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: maybe even now more than ever because of how much 75 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: work these college coaches are putting in. 76 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy, like. 77 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: Everything you do in the NFL and then more in 78 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: college football with three times the roster and dealing with 79 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: boosters and parents and agents and all that kind. 80 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 4: Of players leaving. 81 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, players leaving and there's no and there's no you know, loyalty, 82 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: and there's no connection. Everybody's on a one year deal. 83 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: So I think there are general maybe exceptions to the rule, 84 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: especially when you talk about individuals maybe somebody who went 85 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 3: to Michigan for example, or went to Alabama or whatever. 86 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: But I I just get that feeling that you said 87 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 3: that that's the pinnacle, and it's very rare that guys 88 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: go backwards if they do have a head coaching job 89 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 3: in the NFL. 90 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: The only thing now that is different, Yeah, I think 91 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 4: is the money used to be different. College coaches didn't 92 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 4: make as much money as pro coaches. You got a 93 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 4: raise going to you, not to mention the level you got, 94 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 4: you made you were able to get more money now now, 95 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 4: goodness me, it's it's even. And to your point, Dave, 96 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 4: there's so much stuff involved in the in the college program, 97 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 4: recruiting and stuff. There's no vacation time. You're going all 98 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 4: the time. 99 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: Seven Yeah, I totally agree with Dave that it's a 100 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: that it's a harder job. 101 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 5: However, I agree with you two coach when you talk 102 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 5: about some of the not unwinnable situations in the NFL. 103 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 5: Let's say you get hired is Carolina Panthers, whatever, Right, 104 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 5: Dave canalis and he looks at his GM and he 105 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 5: looks at his ownership and he's like, there is no 106 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 5: way I can really win here. With this above me, 107 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 5: wouldn't that be a situation where I could go to 108 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 5: Michigan and be the boss of everything. 109 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 4: Yes, I think you're exactly right, and that's that's my point. 110 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 4: The other thing that would factor in if there was 111 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: a connection between whoever was hiring at the school, like 112 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 4: you said or day that if he had a connection 113 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 4: with Michigan somewhere down the road and went there. I 114 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 4: think I think the coach at Washington had a connection 115 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 4: Dinny coach, Dinny coach at Michigan. 116 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 2: He's on the least two years. He's there for two years. 117 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, So listen the way the college game's going right now, 118 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 4: and I listen to Reck a little bit on the 119 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 4: way over. Nothing would really surprise me. But I just 120 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 4: think once you get into the NFL, you work like 121 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 4: cret I said this to you before you get a 122 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 4: coach in a meeting, an assistant coach and he's shaking 123 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 4: your hand and listening to you, but he's also looking 124 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 4: over your shoulder at my next job, right, my next job. Right. 125 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 4: You do not reach your potential when you do that. 126 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 4: If you can get to a place and say I'm 127 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 4: gonna just knock it out of the Park here, then 128 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 4: things happen. Really that's been in my experience. 129 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 2: I don't know. 130 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 3: I mean, you guys might be right. I I just 131 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: still think the NFL is waking for every coach. I mean, 132 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: if it's an established guy, maybe, but for I think 133 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: I think the Tennessee Titans job for most coaches going 134 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: to be more attractive than the Michigan job in the NFL, 135 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 3: just because it's the freaking NFL, right, And it's just 136 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: it's just it's a different animal. 137 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: But who knows. 138 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: I mean, maybe Michigan will be able to grab a 139 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: sitting head coach. Dick and I were talking yes about 140 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: that there might be some guys in the NFL that 141 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: are maybe frustrated, maybe they're on the way out. Maybe 142 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 3: they feel like they're not gonna get fired anyway, or 143 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: maybe they feel like. 144 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: They don't have that great relationship with the owner. 145 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 3: But did you ever have a moral turpitude clause in 146 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: your contract when you go in the NFL? We know what, Bey, 147 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: You couldn't even have a diet coked BYU. 148 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 4: No, you could. You could And Lavelle said, if you 149 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: want to have a beer, prove it at home. But 150 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 4: who was one of the great men I've ever met 151 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 4: in my life. But you know what, I think there 152 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: are probably something in that I didn't really find read 153 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 4: the fine print in the contract most of the time. 154 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: That's why you have an agent, right. 155 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 4: But you kind of know, you kind of know what's 156 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 4: in there, you know, particularly the stuff about being fired 157 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 4: for cause. 158 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing I mean when you say you 159 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: know what's in there? How about this? You know what's 160 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: in there? Not to be an idiot? Don't be an idiot? Right, 161 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: And when you do what Sharon Moore did, you're being 162 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: an idiot. 163 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: Well, Mike Congrid's with us, all right, So fill the 164 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: Rivers forty four years old? 165 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: Can I have it a little bit of a debate? 166 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: And he might be right that the only way Philip 167 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: Rivers does this is if he's guaranteed he can start 168 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: this weekend or eventually start because he's signing on for 169 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: the rest of the year. 170 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: I assume maybe it's not week one, maybe it's down 171 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: the road. 172 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: Do you think that he made any kind of not demands, 173 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: but like made it known that hey, if I if 174 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: I'm doing this, I'm coming to play. 175 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: That conversation took place. There is no question about it. Yeah, 176 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 4: because he has a relationship with the head coach who 177 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 4: phoned him, right, Okay, And I was thinking about this 178 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 4: that I think it's I I have trouble believing this happened, 179 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 4: first of all, But he is he is one of 180 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 4: the few guys I've ever met, and I know him 181 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: a little bit, and I've had dealings with Philip that 182 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 4: could maybe pull this off, maybe pull us off. When 183 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 4: I'm I'd be scared to death that you get hurt. 184 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 4: And five years he hasn't been hit, right, Yeah, all 185 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: of a sudden, and you can say we talked about 186 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 4: it earlier. You know, run the ball a lot, but 187 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 4: he's going to have to pass the ball if he plays, 188 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 4: and then you want to get him get it out 189 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 4: of your hand. He's not going to play. That's not 190 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 4: how he played in his mind. Yeah. But then he's 191 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 4: a competitor, he's an athlete. He's going to play the game. 192 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 4: He's going to play the position to win, to complete 193 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 4: the ball, to do whatever which puts himtuff. He's going 194 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 4: to be vulnerable. 195 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 5: You know, what percentage of the playbook can he pick up? 196 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 5: As smart as he is, but still in three days, 197 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 5: what percentage of the playbook, and then what percentage of 198 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 5: the playbook, especially on dropbacks, would you even want to. 199 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 6: Use with a forty four year old quarterback so he 200 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 6: doesn't get killed. 201 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's well. I think understanding the playbook is not 202 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 4: an issue. I don't think that's an issue because he 203 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 4: played for eighteen years in the last how many years 204 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: he was with the Colts. Different coach, yeah, different coach 205 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 4: and different system. Yeah, but he but he he know 206 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 4: that's not a Your second point is the problem. You know, 207 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 4: what how do they call plays? What do they do 208 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 4: to keep him from getting mulled? Keep him from getting hit? 209 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 4: You know, he could say, because listen against the Seahawks, 210 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 4: if he plays against the Seahawks, that one of their 211 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 4: strengths is rushing the passer and getting to him, and 212 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 4: in the quarterback, that's one of their strengths. Now, I 213 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: have known nothing about Indianapolis's offensive line, but like you said, 214 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor, I would imagine the running backs will carry 215 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 4: the ball thirty five times in that game. 216 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 3: Right, right, So when it comes to stich In making 217 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: the decision on who plays, I'm imagining that Carl Ersay, 218 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 3: who's the new owner, of the Colts after Jim passed away. 219 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know her at all. 220 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 3: Maybe she's the kind of person that would sign Philip 221 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: Rivers and tell Stichen you're starting him. 222 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. 223 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: I mean that could happen potentially with an owner. But 224 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: if she goes to Stichen and says it's your call 225 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 3: or bringing them on, just provide depth. And if you 226 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 3: want to start him and start him, what would he 227 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 3: have to say see from Philip Rivers to actually start 228 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: him over a guy who has already been on the 229 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: roster the entire. 230 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: Year, Well, he would have to see how he practiced, 231 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 4: you know. I think in fact, they brought him in 232 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 4: for the workout before they did anything, before they signed 233 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 4: him up to a contract. So you see him in 234 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 4: the workout, you know, and there's you know, you're not 235 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 4: getting hit or anything. But yes, he can still throw, 236 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 4: he's still accurate, he can still move, he can do 237 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 4: those things. I know, I know he's smart. So they 238 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 4: signed him to contract. Now he practices a couple and 239 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 4: then you know, if all of a sudden at practice 240 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 4: he can't do anything, he falls apart. Okay, but if 241 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 4: they signed him day to your point, that that discussion 242 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 4: had or maybe maybe it was yours, Dick. That discussion 243 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 4: I think took place prior to him coming coming out 244 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 4: to UH to practice with that team. You do this, 245 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 4: you know I could. That's an logical question from the quarterback. Okay, 246 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: if I do this, I'm not coming out to sit 247 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: on the bench right and be a good guy to 248 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 4: your young guy. Right. You know, I'm forty four years old. 249 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 4: I want to You know, you could hear it almost 250 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 4: in your in the talking about his kids being excited 251 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 4: and all of this sudden. I know him a little bit. 252 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 4: He's he's getting jacked up about this. 253 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 254 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: By the way, just for the record, the PFF has 255 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: the Colts with the number four graded run blocking team 256 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: in the NFL and number two great pass blocking, so 257 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 3: they think the Colts offensive line is pretty good. 258 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 259 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 5: On the flip side, you're Mike McDonald's, how are you 260 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 5: scheming this game knowing you've got a forty four year 261 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 5: old quarterback with not limited mobility, zero mobility, and probably 262 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 5: limp very limited armstring. 263 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 4: So what are you doing well? Right away? Number one, 264 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 4: he's stopping the run. Forget about who plays quarterback for them? 265 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 4: For right now? It's not Daniel Jones that whoever, whoever 266 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 4: else shows up forget about that for just a second. 267 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 4: We have to stop the run because logically that's what 268 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 4: they have to do to win this football game. And 269 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 4: so that's where he starts. The rest of the stuff. 270 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 4: I think he just plays his defense with his guys 271 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 4: and doesn't think too much about the quarterback because whoever 272 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 4: plays the young guy or Philip or Rippon's son, and 273 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 4: he on the team. Yeah, you know, I mean, where's he? 274 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 4: I mean, he's been on the practice squad. Why aren't 275 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 4: they talking about him? If you're just gonna plug somebody in, 276 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: that's why. Gosh, I'll be interested to see if he plays. 277 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 4: I really like him. He's a good guy, and it's 278 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 4: my dealings with him. I hope he doesn't get knocked out. 279 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I hope he does get knocked out. I 280 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 3: always hope that. Back to the opposing quarterback. I don't 281 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: want to see a guy get killed, obviously or get 282 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: seriously hurt. But you know, a little you know, bruised 283 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: elbow or whatever, Bruce, do you go, that's fine by me. 284 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 3: Knock his ass out of the game and let's see 285 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: the backup I mean, Dick Baird would always tell me, 286 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 3: Ohm to the bargup. Every week he would say, knock 287 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: the guy out. See we can see the back of 288 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: the quarterback play. What happened to football back in the 289 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: day when it was okay to say things like that? 290 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: Oh boy, remember the jacked up segment ESPN used to 291 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 3: do where they show guys getting popped on TV al data. 292 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 6: I want the quarterback hit to go down, and I 293 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 6: wanted to go down hard. 294 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: That's right. 295 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: I mean, come on, you're telling me the back of 296 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: the day. You never told your defense I back in 297 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: the eighties. 298 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: I'm waiting to go kill that guy, knock him out 299 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: of the game. 300 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. 301 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 4: God, I refuse to answer that question. 302 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: Sure well, my copriend is with us. Here's what we got. 303 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: By the way, we're gonna hang out till five o'clock 304 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: before the Buccaneers and Atlanta. Let's get to the Seahawks 305 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: and kind of focus on them next segment. There's also 306 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 3: a lot of other things in the NFL we need 307 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: to get to. 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Now 336 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 7: back to Softie and Dick on your home for the 337 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 7: Huskies Cracking and the twelve man Sports Radio ninety three 338 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 7: point three kJ r FM. 339 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: All right, I am in the process right now. Take 340 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: it behind the scenes here a little bit. We're at 341 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 3: the five for twenty Bar and Grill in Bellevue. By 342 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: the way, congratch to Nick Berkshire, who has won the 343 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: one hundred dollars gift card to a true Linkswear dot 344 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: com great golf shoes. You want to buy a pair 345 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: fifteen percent off. 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Okay, with the Rams. 355 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: So we'll have you on the phone at four o'clock 356 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: next Thursday, Christmas Day, you're off. Ooh, New Year's Day. 357 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 3: The following Thursday, you're off. Who January eighth, right back 358 00:16:59,080 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: here at the five. 359 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 4: That works because I know that, Yeah, that works because 360 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 4: I'm I'm leaving. That's great, thank you. 361 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: I just want to make sure it works for your 362 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: schedule their coach. 363 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 4: That's very nice. 364 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: Hey, before we dive. 365 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 3: Into the Hawks a little bit, I know we spent 366 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: a large majority of the first segment talking about the 367 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 3: Michigan thing, right, the Notre Dame situations. 368 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let me ask you about that. 369 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: So they get screwed, they think out of a college 370 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 3: football playoff spot and they say, well, you know what, 371 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: we're just gonna go home. We're not gonna play in 372 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 3: a ball game. No ball Yeah what'd you make of 373 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 3: that decision? 374 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 4: By the life, I didn't like it at all. Of course. 375 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 4: Now now listen, I have to well, I went to 376 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 4: USC Yes, Notre Dame, you know it was. I have 377 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 4: no strong feelings for that school. Okay, but you know, 378 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 4: I don't. And you know the how they lost out 379 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 4: on the playoffs. There's a lot of arguments on both sides. 380 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 4: I think of that. All I would say is when 381 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 4: I was coaching in college at by U, as an example, 382 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 4: we went to a bowl game every year every year, 383 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 4: went to haul the Bowl three years in a row 384 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 4: in San Diego. It wasn't a major bowl, but it 385 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 4: was a big ball. And then we went to the 386 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 4: Citrus Bowl. And that week for the players, the families, 387 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 4: it was, it was fun. It was it was a 388 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 4: you had, you had a tough season, you finished and 389 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 4: this was kind of a bonus, a reward, right. Yeah. 390 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 4: And and so I thought Notre Dame saying they weren't 391 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 4: weren't going to go, or any team that says they're 392 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 4: not going to go, it's a different game. Now, apparently 393 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 4: it's a different world college football. 394 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 6: Now. 395 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 5: I mentioned that, I thought, I mean USC holds all 396 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 5: the cards in that rivalry because Notre Dame needs USC 397 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 5: a lot more than USC needs Notre Dame. Because USC 398 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 5: plays Michigan or Ohio State, benn State, Washington, Oregon, all 399 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 5: these teams they don't need Notre Dame. 400 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 6: So why do you think they should keep playing that game. 401 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 6: USC could just pull the plug. Notre Dame would be up. 402 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 6: You know, what's creek without a paddle? They didn't have USC. 403 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, I'm old fashioned. The uh the 404 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 4: rivalries now and I know, I know it's doesn't happen 405 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 4: like it used to, but even Washington, Washington State, Oregon, 406 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 4: Oregon State, those those things have just disintegrated. But at 407 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 4: one time, how excited did you guys get for those games? 408 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: And you know the Notre Dame the USC game in 409 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 4: the Coliseum, And I'll admit to something here. I could 410 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 4: sell tickets, my tickets for a lot more money in 411 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 4: that game because the coliseum had one hundred thousand people 412 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 4: there for that game because of the rivalry. And I 413 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 4: think that's one thing now that college football I wish 414 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 4: they could have kept and it will keep some wild 415 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 4: state Michigan, but that figures because of the conference. But 416 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 4: teams that aren't necessarily in the conferences together. 417 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Mike Cobrid's with US big game next Thursday 418 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 3: at Lumenfield against the ram I mean, you can't look 419 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 3: past the Colts. I get it right, It's any given Sunday, 420 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: but it would be a tragedy. If a Seahawks lost 421 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: this game to the Colts on Sunday, they're thirteen and 422 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 3: a half point favorites. Is this the second time in 423 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 3: three weeks they've been almost a two touchdown favorite. 424 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 4: It doesn't happen. 425 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy. 426 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 3: How Vegas just thinks these guys are going to kill people. 427 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 3: They keep covering, and they keep covering. As Dick said, 428 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 3: it's unbelievable. But Sam Darnald the first half against Atlanta 429 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 3: nine to fifteen, sixty seven yards, a pick, and then 430 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: something happened in the second half. Was it a halftime speech? 431 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: Was it somebody throwing him against the wall? Was in 432 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 3: him having a cocktail at halftime? What happened to Sam 433 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 3: Darnald man because he was a totally different quarterback in 434 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 3: the second half. 435 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was halftime adjustments one. But I 436 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 4: think this single biggest thing was the kickoff return. Yeah, 437 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 4: that changed everything. It changed. You know, they might have 438 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 4: gone on and had the same type of second half 439 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 4: that they did, but that thing, all of a sudden, 440 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 4: you know, the game's tight, games tight, their defense Atlanta, 441 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 4: the defense is putting pressure on and playing very well, 442 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden that kickoff returns boom and 443 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 4: then actually the drive that ended that allowed them to 444 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 4: kick a field goal end of the first half. That 445 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 4: showed a little bit of spark as well. But you know, 446 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 4: I think Atlanta came out and played pretty good defense, 447 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 4: really good defense early. 448 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 5: You know, how would you change things up if at all, 449 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 5: play calling wise, because we've seen now quite a bit 450 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 5: of evidence that when Sam gets into a cluttered pocket, 451 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 5: he's not great. That's when he's at his weakest. So 452 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 5: would you change things up at all? 453 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd get him off the spot a lot. And 454 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 4: I think when he does, they do play action pass 455 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 4: and they get their running game going just a little 456 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 4: bit and then play action pass quick throws into you know, 457 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 4: it helps him, It helps him, and then all of 458 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 4: a sudden, what it does to the defense too. They 459 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 4: can't just say, Okay, that's where he's going to be, 460 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: that's where he's going to be, this is how I'm 461 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 4: going to rush to get to that spot because they're 462 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 4: not sure now, and so that type of play calling 463 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 4: I think helps him. 464 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 3: Well, Mike homrans with us and Mike I just kind 465 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 3: of wonder, I said on the air yesterday, I think 466 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 3: that we should be talking about this team winning the 467 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 3: whole thing in twenty twenty five. I mean, Vegas has 468 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 3: him from number two to number three right in the odds. 469 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 3: Right now, Rams are generally considered the team to beat 470 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 3: right now in the NFL. But the parody in this 471 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 3: league is banana. So if I tell you right now 472 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 3: that Seahawk fans should be talking about winning another Lombardy 473 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 3: right now, not next year, not in two years, but 474 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 3: this year. Am I being a homer or is there 475 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: something to that? 476 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 2: You think? 477 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 4: Well, I think you're being a little bit of a homer. 478 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: But I'm here. 479 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 4: But that makes two of them, you know what, That 480 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 4: makes two of us though, And maybe I don't know 481 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 4: how Dick feels. He always he usually argues with me. 482 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 4: But you know, I think they can do it the 483 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 4: way the quarterback and I'm in Sam Darnold's corner, the 484 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 4: way that he's playing, but how the defense is just 485 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 4: cranking it up right, and they're getting a little healthier 486 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 4: loves back. You know, they're doing some stuff there. I think, No, Dave, 487 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 4: I think they're there. I think they got a real 488 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 4: chance to do this. 489 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 6: I want to ask you the same question that Chuck 490 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 6: asked Kurt Warner. Today, Kurt Warner was on the Morning Show. 491 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 6: He asked about JSN. 492 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 5: He asked, Kurt, which of your great wide receivers that 493 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 5: you played with Larry Fitzgerald and the Rams guys, does 494 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 5: JSN remind you the most of? So what of your 495 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 5: guys from Seattle, Green Bay, San Francisco? 496 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 6: Does JSN remind you of anybody you. 497 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 4: Coached size wise? He reminds me of in Green Bay, 498 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 4: we had a couple of guys Antonio Freeman and Robert 499 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 4: Brooks sure that that were really good, I mean really good, 500 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 4: really smart, and but look at i JSN. He's he's 501 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 4: right now. He's a little bit in the league of 502 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 4: his own. From my opinion. Yeah, you know, you have 503 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 4: you know I had Jerry Rice in San Francisco and 504 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 4: you have John. We had great receivers. I've had a 505 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 4: lot of them, but this young and you know, it 506 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 4: just seems he's so smooth and he and he's not huge, 507 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 4: he's not a big guy, but he's fast and his 508 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 4: separation away from man coverage. You shouldn't play man coverage 509 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 4: against him because you'll lose good cornerbacks, good ones lose, 510 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 4: so No, it's a but you know, I look back 511 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 4: in all those guys they were they were pretty good. 512 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: So what could derail this then? Right? 513 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 3: I mean, what what what's the what's the chink in 514 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 3: the armor in your mind? For this football team? 515 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 4: Potentially the only thing that potentially would be pressure on 516 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 4: the quarterback in Dick's point, all of a sudden he 517 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 4: gets in the pocket and the pocket gets kind of sticky. Uh. 518 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 4: That's that's a that's that can't happen too often. Injury. 519 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 4: If they don't get hurt, if they can keep guys playing, 520 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 4: that's a big, big plus for any team. 521 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 2: And knock on wood, they've been pretty healthy so far. 522 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: Right, A couple of Nixon bruises here and there, But 523 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 3: let's do this, come back and wrap it up. We 524 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 3: got a game tonight. Cam Newton's running his mouth again. 525 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: I want you to chime in on him as well. 526 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 3: Next on ninety three three KJRFM from the. 527 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 7: R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. Now back to 528 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 7: Softie and Dick on your home for the Huskies, Kraken 529 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 7: and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point three 530 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 7: kjr FM. 531 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 3: All right back here at the five twenty bar and 532 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 3: grill in Bellvue. 533 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: We got Buccaneers. 534 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 3: We got Falcons coming up five o'clock five fifteen kickoff 535 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 3: as a matter of fact, from Raymond James Stadium with 536 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 3: a pirate ship in Tampa Bay, Florida. 537 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: Right here on ninety three three KJRFM. 538 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about the Cam excuse me, the 539 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: Philip Rivers story. Mike, did you hear Cam Newton's take 540 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 3: on the Philip Rivers story that came out? 541 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 4: I did hear a little bit of it. Yeah. 542 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 543 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 3: It was a slap of the face that the Colts 544 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 3: didn't call me before they called Phil Rivers. Why should 545 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 3: they have called Cam Newton over Philip Rivers? 546 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 4: Well, I think Cam Newton, I'll tell you what, Cam 547 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 4: Newton is probably more physical. I think they're I don't know, 548 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 4: are they the same age? 549 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: No, he's thirty eight, Rivers is forty four. 550 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, so Cam Newton probably thinks that they're gonna call him. 551 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 4: They should have called me. You see him on TV. 552 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 4: The only thing is the outfits and the hair and everything. 553 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 4: He's gone a little sideways. I remember I did a 554 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 4: Super Bowl for Westwood and Cam was the quarterback and 555 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 4: we had a great talk, and I remember him coming 556 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 4: out of college. We had a great talk. But now 557 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 4: I could see where he'd say that. But you know, 558 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 4: look at any comments but along those lines by other 559 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 4: players against Philip Rivers or what happened. It just a 560 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 4: lot of things. Calm down then then the uh, the 561 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 4: Notre Dame ad. Calm down. Just don't say it. Make 562 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 4: the phone call, talk to the guy, right, don't come 563 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 4: out and say it. 564 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: Well, I mean the Colts called him because you played 565 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: for the Colts. 566 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 4: That's right, And he knew the coach, he had a 567 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 4: relationship with the coach. That makes sense. 568 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 5: And the coach the Colts didn't call Cam Newton because 569 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 5: they saw him throw a football. 570 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: Ten years That's why they didn't call him. 571 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 5: All right, coach, This is gonna be my weekly, our 572 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 5: weekly analytics nerds conversation. Okay, right, we have a question 573 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 5: every week with the analytics nerds of the weeks. 574 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 4: I love it. 575 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 5: I've got some bad news for you because this time 576 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 5: it happened to your guy, Andy Reid. 577 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 6: Oh in that Houston game. Did you watch any of 578 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 6: that Houston game? 579 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 4: But I know where you're gonna go. 580 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 6: Ten to ten game? Yeah, two left in the game. 581 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 5: Yes, and your guy on his own thirty one yard 582 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 5: lines goes for it on fourth down instead of punting 583 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 5: the ball in a defensive game. 584 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 6: Have you called Andy about that yet? Will you call 585 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 6: Andy about that yet? 586 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 5: Because I know coach Holmgren would not have been by 587 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 5: him to do that will cost him the game. 588 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 4: I will talk to Andy after the end of the 589 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 4: season about that now. But you know, the analytic thing, 590 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 4: I rest my case. I get a lot of abuse 591 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 4: when I talk about the analytics. Those guys are those 592 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 4: big thick glasses in the room upstairs, you know, handing 593 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,959 Speaker 4: his sheets of paper with numbers on him. Do this 594 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 4: when this happens, do this. They have never stepped on 595 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 4: the field one time in their life. But do this 596 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 4: and I'll go back to my computer. 597 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 6: I didn't think they didn't infect Andy though. 598 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 4: But the no, I think I don't know that. But 599 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 4: you know what, there was another stat that they he's 600 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 4: done that, yeah, thirty seven times or something this year, 601 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 4: and he's they converted. They converted it like ninety percent 602 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 4: of the time. So that was in his mind. But 603 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 4: on that at that time, in that position on the field. 604 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 6: No, in that type of game, No, the defensiveness. 605 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: So what I mean, if we're doing this, let's talk 606 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: about other coaches. Thing. 607 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: I want to talk about Pete Carroll because Pete Carroll 608 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: had a game last weekend. Who were the Raiders playing 609 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 3: last weekend? Was it the Denver And they're down by 610 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 3: ten points? And it's the last play of the game. Yeah, 611 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 3: and Denver is giving seven and a half, so they've 612 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 3: got the game covered. 613 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 2: Pete Carroll on the final play of the game. 614 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 3: Decides to kick a field goal, I know, to go 615 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: down seven and kisses everybody off. Who had the Broncos 616 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 3: minus the seven and a half? And look, it's not 617 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 3: Pete Carroll's job to satisfy the betting public. 618 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: I understand that. 619 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 3: But if it's the last play of the game and 620 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 3: you're down ten points, are you kicking a field goal 621 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 3: to make it more respectable? You're throwing a Hell Mary, 622 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 3: you taking an e? 623 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: What are you doing? 624 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 4: No, it's just I don't know where they were on 625 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 4: the field, but yeah, I might well, I don't know. 626 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 4: You know, I wouldn't take it with the quarterback at 627 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 4: risk of getting hurt. Right, when was it playing? The 628 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 4: game is over? The game is over. 629 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 2: The ball was on the twenty eight yard line. 630 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, the game is over, tak Ane and for next week. Yeah, 631 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 4: you know when I read that, I read that article 632 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 4: and I'm not I don't look at the points and 633 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 4: all that. I don't study that. But then I looked 634 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 4: out and I saw all the point totals and I said, boy, 635 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 4: there are a lot of vetters that are just going 636 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 4: crazy right now because of what happened. Coach. 637 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 5: You know, one of my biggest Diana Hill takes when 638 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 5: it comes to the NFL is don't pay mediocre to 639 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 5: good quarterbacks elite money. Right, and you take a look 640 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 5: at the eight biggest cap hits this year, two are 641 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 5: going to go to the playoffs. Tua, no Kyler, no Cousins, 642 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 5: no Watson, no Russell, no Dac No. You got Purty 643 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 5: and Lawrence going. Do you think it will be a 644 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 5: cautionary tale? Do you think GMS will look at that 645 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 5: now a little more because we've had so much evidence 646 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 5: of non Mahomes Allen type quarterbacks that get paid that 647 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 5: money and just don't produce. 648 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 4: They'll think about it, just like they'll have that list. 649 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 4: They will have that list. But then you know, the 650 00:30:54,920 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 4: the problem or the the what pushes. The decision is 651 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 4: if you have a team, a good football team, but 652 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 4: all you need is a quarterback, that's the one that 653 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 4: will get you the super Bowl, you know. And then 654 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 4: if you're drafting the teams that are bad, well no, 655 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 4: because the early contract isn't a bad one. That's not 656 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 4: a bad one. But all of a sudden you go 657 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 4: to the next one. You gotta make if you're gonna 658 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 4: pay him, if you're going to pay those guys, you 659 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 4: have to say he's the man, he's the one that 660 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 4: can get us there. And sometimes you have to make 661 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 4: a hard decision. You got to make a tough decision, 662 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 4: say he's not the go now, I'll pay you. I'll 663 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 4: tell you what. John Kidnap, you know, we wanted to 664 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 4: pay him to keep him there, and then his agent 665 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 4: came in he said, no, we want all this. 666 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't work. Didn't work. 667 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 3: Well, we gotta make a hard decision now and say goodbye. 668 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: I'd love to keep you on the air, but we're 669 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 3: up against the clock. Break, we gotta go. 670 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 4: You just got back. 671 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: I know I'll see in a few weeks. Hey, I 672 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 3: enjoy it. Mike Polman with us for the five points 673 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 3: we got Tampa Bay. We got Atlanta coming next. On 674 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 3: ninety three three kJ RFM. 675 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: Bye.