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Speaker 1: Here a fifty five KRCD talk station, or a happy

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Speaker 1: Tuesday to you, except when you're talking about the City

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati's budget, which is not a happy subject matter,

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Speaker 1: with a twenty nine and a half million dollar budget

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Speaker 1: deficit and the demands on the Cincinni Police Department increasing

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Speaker 1: seemingly almost every single day. Thank you for returning the

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Speaker 1: fifty five cars Morning Show to talk about the proposed

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Speaker 1: six point six million dollar budget cut for the police department.

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Speaker 1: FOP President Ken Kober, thank you for joining us this morning. There, Ken, here,

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Speaker 1: your morning, Brian.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. I'm just scratching my head over this

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Speaker 1: budget deficit. Apparently they can't live without federal and state dollars.

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Speaker 1: They've been dealing with this problem for years and years

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Speaker 1: and years. And thank god for COVID because apparently we

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Speaker 1: would have been facing massive deficits over the past five

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Speaker 1: or so years plugged holes thanks to COVID money. But

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Speaker 1: Jeff Cramerting set it straightforward in the reporting. He was

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Speaker 1: talking to Scott Wortman from the Inquire regarding this twenty

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Speaker 1: nine and a half million dollar deficit. He said, I

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Speaker 1: think we're looking at cuts. I think moving forward year

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Speaker 1: after year, that will be the new reality. So looking

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Speaker 1: on into the future, that looks like gloom and doom

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Speaker 1: for the budget. Pivoting over yesterday, Interim police Chief Adam

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Speaker 1: Henny's looking into cuts, talking about a six point six

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Speaker 1: million dollar budget cut for the police department, and it

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Speaker 1: looked to me from the reporting from Fox nineteen he's

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Speaker 1: vast majority of the budget for the police department is

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Speaker 1: for police officers, which he suggested might include cuts of

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Speaker 1: not filling the vacancies that exist. Can cober your reaction

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Speaker 1: to this, please.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not surprising. I mean, look at how Mismanag's

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Speaker 2: money has been in this city. It does not surprise me.

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Speaker 2: And they're right there should be cuts, but it should

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Speaker 2: be cuts of spending, not cuts of workforce, not cuts

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Speaker 2: of police, not fire, not public works. But until they

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Speaker 2: decide that they're going to prioritize, you know, the things

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Speaker 2: that are really truly important or going to continue to

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Speaker 2: be in the same place, you know they can continue,

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Speaker 2: like you said, throw throw more stuff on the police.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're about one hundred officers short. Expect the

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Speaker 2: police to be at every single thing. If you want

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Speaker 2: those things where you're gonna have to pay for it,

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Speaker 2: and that's the reality of it. I guess we'll see

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Speaker 2: what decisions they decide to make, but they won't spending

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Speaker 2: money on music venues and reparations. We probably wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: in this position.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'm glad you wrote the music venue. But

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Speaker 1: I saw the headline yesterday afternoon, like six point six

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Speaker 1: million dollars budget cut for the police. When all of

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Speaker 1: this is going on. Crime is a dominant topic topic

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Speaker 1: of what's going on the city of Cincinnati, obviously, with

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Speaker 1: the riots, the beatdowns opening day, Holly getting punched in

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Speaker 1: shot in parks. Everybody wants more police, it seems, and

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Speaker 1: in fact, someone admitted it yesterday about priorities in city government,

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Speaker 1: Seth Walsh talking to Scott Wortman, residents have rated the

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Speaker 1: most important things for the city to spend money on roadsnow, removal,

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Speaker 1: police and fire. There's nothing in there about the eight

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Speaker 1: for the new music venue over where the swimming pool

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it just it just shows you that I

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Speaker 2: don't think, by and large, uh, there's even any thought

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Speaker 2: let me let me see what's going on. Whether you know,

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Speaker 2: they just did this survey and they talked about those

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Speaker 2: very things. You know, we want roads, and we want

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Speaker 2: we want safe neighborhoods. No where does it say that

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Speaker 2: we want a music venue out on kel called Kellogg Avenue.

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Speaker 2: You know the eight point two million dollars that they

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Speaker 2: their solutions that they're going to come up with is

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Speaker 2: this is going to be a surprise to you. Well,

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Speaker 2: we're just going to raise taxes. That way we'll have

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Speaker 2: we'll have more income coming in. But that just means

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Speaker 1: I guess they haven't gotten the memo Ken, because I

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Speaker 2: Can No, of course not. And ironically enough, you know,

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Speaker 2: I was talking last night to my adult son as

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out where should I move, Where shouldn't

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Speaker 2: I move? I go, well, you look, first of all,

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Speaker 2: look and see what taxes are you going to pay?

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Speaker 2: How expensive is it to live in any particular place.

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Speaker 2: That those are things that have to be considered. And

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Speaker 2: certainly one place that I'm not suggesting that he comes

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Speaker 2: because taxes are just absolutely out of control, you know what.

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Speaker 1: And it was just an article I believe it was

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Speaker 1: larger margins. Duh, helping yourself.

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Speaker 2: This isn't surprising, I know. Police.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, Ken, we're gonna talk a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about this insanity six point six million dollar budget cut

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Speaker 1: it anyway. Probably the talk station fifty five KRCD talk

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Speaker 1: a FOP president, Ken Kober, representing the Cincinny Police Departments Union,

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Speaker 1: pivoting over to Chief Adam Henny, We're talking about these

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Speaker 1: six point six million dollars in proposed cuts for the

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Speaker 1: that's a twenty nine point five million dollar budget deficit,

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Speaker 1: figuring out ways they can cut across the board. Although

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Speaker 1: which is and police confirm can cover for me and

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Speaker 1: my listening audience, you're still not operating under a full

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Speaker 2: Correct, No, that's correct. I mean we're still still trying

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Speaker 2: police department that's seeing retirements every day. Is at an

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Speaker 2: We're running into these things times, two or three people

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Speaker 2: make up for the people that are leaving. And you know,

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Speaker 2: with these budget cuts certainly aren't going to help anything.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I saw what chief and he said, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the reality is six and a half million dollars that

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Speaker 2: could be in it, that could be a recruit class. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It could be a recruit class. So two things at

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Speaker 2: Ken, Well, yeah, and now let's look at somebody, a

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Speaker 1: It certainly is. And then you know the other growing phenomenon,

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Speaker 1: And who wants to deal with that kind of thing,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, out of that, I mean, they're certainly not making

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Speaker 1: Well, one other point that handymade the other day interned

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Speaker 1: police Chief Henny He suggested that the city needs to

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Speaker 1: spend some money by investing in software, as explained by

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Speaker 1: to save money over time, you know, spend money to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our records management system has been a mess forever.

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Speaker 2: I mean as long as as long as I've been here,

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Speaker 2: So the thought is, of course, if we make something

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Speaker 2: doing reports and instead they can be out in the

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Speaker 2: been a challenge forever, and I mean, who knows how

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Speaker 2: soon it's actually going to be fixed, but it's always

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Speaker 2: been a challenge. And then you switch from one system

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Speaker 2: and they've got to find a way to make the

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Speaker 1: Well on behalf of my entire listening audience, Ken Kober,

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Speaker 1: thank you for what you're doing, not just for your

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Speaker 1: fellow officers, but as an officer the law on the

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Speaker 1: Cincinni Police, we truly appreciate all with Apparently the residents

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Speaker 1: get your ducks in a row. Let's get your priority straight.

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Speaker 1: Let's not cut the police department. Let's do everything we

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Speaker 1: more recruits in there. Ken Cober, God bless you, sir.

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Speaker 1: Anytime you want come on the program. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: these issues. I appreciate your willingness to do it. Man.

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Speaker 2: Sure well yeah, well, thank you not only to you,

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Speaker 2: but your listeners as well for your support. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We've all got your back. Man. I assure you of

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