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Speaker 1: The following takes place between six pm and seven pm.

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Speaker 2: You want answers. I think I'm entitled you one answer.

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Speaker 1: You can't handle the truth, true, true, All right, let's

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Speaker 1: get too At six oh nine seven hundred WLW the

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Speaker 1: show RNL Carrier Sports Talk. It is presented by Kelsey

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Speaker 1: Chevrolet and hosted by me Lance McAllister. Let's Talk Bengals.

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Speaker 1: Bengals in Free Agency Day two. A quiet day two,

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Speaker 1: but a busy day one. My first guest covers the

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Speaker 1: Bengals for Local twelve dot com Local twelve.

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Speaker 2: He is all over it.

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Speaker 1: He would be Richard Skinner and skinny Man in terms

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Speaker 1: of Brian Cook positional need age, production, winning pedigree.

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Speaker 2: He checks a lot of boxes, doesn't.

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Speaker 3: He He does. I mean the fact that he has

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Speaker 3: twenty two career miss tackles career in four years in

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Speaker 3: Kansas City and ginostone had twenty three last year is

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Speaker 3: all you need to know. I mean nine miss tackles

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Speaker 3: the last two years combined in thirty four games and

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Speaker 3: thirty four Sharks. Now, he's not a ball hawk. I

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Speaker 3: mean he doesn't have a lot of career receptions, but

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Speaker 3: he does check a lot of boxes. Super Bowl champ.

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Speaker 3: The local thing is in a checkbox. But it's a

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Speaker 3: cool thing, right, not just U see, but Mount Healthy

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Speaker 3: High School, all those things. I think it's a it's

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Speaker 3: a great fit. He plays angry, which is fun I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm that was it was him or Kobe Bryant. I thought,

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Speaker 3: I thought it's funny. I thought he would be way

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Speaker 3: more expensive than Kobe Bryant. He was slightly more expensive,

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Speaker 3: and Kobe went earlier in the day to Chicago yesterday.

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Speaker 3: So uh yeah, a great I think this is gonna

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Speaker 3: be a great signing when he puts puts ten to

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Speaker 3: paper sometime this later this week.

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Speaker 1: The other edition, boy a mafe who certainly gives them

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Speaker 1: some juice from a pass rush standpoint, maybe didn't bring

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Speaker 1: as much juice last year as he had in the

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Speaker 1: previous years in Seattle, but they got to like the opportunit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I know people are gonna look at the

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Speaker 3: two point zero sacks last year and go, was this

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Speaker 3: Shamar Stewart two point zero? And it's fair because that's

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Speaker 3: not very good. But when you look at his four

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Speaker 3: year career in Seattle, and you look at his past

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Speaker 3: pass rush win rate and you compare it to Trey

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Speaker 3: Hendrickson in New Orleans, and Trey finally got opportunities last

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Speaker 3: year in New Orleans and produced to his credit. Boy

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Speaker 3: And Mafe two years ago had nine sacks when he

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Speaker 3: got more opportunity. And then Seattle said, you know what,

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Speaker 3: we think the Philadelphia model is a good model to follow,

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Speaker 3: and we're just gonna have a bunch of defensive linemen.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna rotate him through. They're all gonna feast off

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Speaker 3: of each other. And that's what they did. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Byron Murphy is a good player, but Byron's intensive tackle.

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Speaker 3: Byron had eight sacks last year, probably in part, I

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Speaker 3: don't know this for a fact, but probably in part

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Speaker 3: because of Boye Mafe. If you look at his PFF numbers,

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Speaker 3: and they're not the be all end all numbers, but

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Speaker 3: they're a metric, right. He ranked forty six of one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifteenth edges last year or overall against the

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Speaker 3: run and the pass, and I think it's important to

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Speaker 3: note that it's against the run too. That wasn't a

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Speaker 3: great skill of Josepho's side. That was not a great

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Speaker 3: skill of trade Henderson. I'm not dissing either one of

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Speaker 3: and so Boyam Mafe had that. He was forty eighth

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Speaker 3: That's pretty good. And as long as he's doing that,

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Speaker 3: and he's eventually getting to the quarterback. Going back to

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Speaker 3: a little bit more of that because of opportunity, and

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Speaker 3: You know, it also gives the opportunity lands with him

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Speaker 3: on one edge, Miles Murphy who emerges. He's not quite

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Speaker 3: there yet, but he emerged. And I think they really,

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Speaker 3: in fact I know this that they really thought they

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Speaker 3: could kich Schamar Stewart inside and it just didn't work

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Speaker 3: him learn the defensive end, but position and get reps there.

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Speaker 3: I think if you can kick him inside and he

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Speaker 3: know talking to Al going at the combine, he wants

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Speaker 3: then your pass rush has been exponentially gotten better.

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Speaker 2: So Skinny, what would remain on your shopping list?

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Speaker 3: Well, linebacker for sure. I know talking to Al. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I asked out to Combine, how important is it to

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Speaker 3: I was waiting for him to say, Nope, We're gonna

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Speaker 3: I want that. I want the versatility of that. Leoshanal

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Speaker 3: seems like a home run hit and there's not many

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Speaker 3: pretty much it. And kay Ellis is thirty years old.

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Speaker 3: So it feels like Leoshanal is like, get all in

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Speaker 3: I think a little bit lance because oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: I haven't done anything else. Today was market correction day

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, Like yes, it was like everybody knew

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Speaker 3: where the market was. Everybody said, let's here's our money,

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Speaker 3: let's go get our guys, and the guys are like, yep,

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Speaker 3: your money wasn't where our money was. Our money isn't

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Speaker 3: where your money was. And it's been across the lead.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this has not been a very busy Tuesday

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Speaker 3: free agency across the league. There's been a handful of things,

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Speaker 3: and I think some people have come to a reckoning.

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Speaker 3: I think Trey Hendrickson has come to a reckoning of oh,

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Speaker 3: you're not gonna pay me thirty million year. No they're not.

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Speaker 3: So let's let's correct the market. And you know, if

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Speaker 3: if Leoshan all still available late in the week, then

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a little disappointed because I think that's

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Speaker 3: don't think there's enough defensive tackles in the marketplace. I

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Speaker 3: think that's gonna have to be corrected in the draft.

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Speaker 3: And there's enough. There's enough I don't want to call

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Speaker 3: them second tier, that's never fair, but there's enough second

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Speaker 3: do think that's where we're at with this. And then

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Speaker 3: when you get to the draft, if you've done all

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Speaker 3: You're in a good spot in my opinion, to go

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Speaker 3: at down the road. You know, if Caleb Downs is

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, that was gonna be my follow up

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Speaker 1: your last point, And that's the question I'm getting more

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Speaker 1: Caleb Downs in any way change now that Cook, Brian

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Speaker 1: Cook is coming. Would it change how they view him

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Speaker 3: No, not my opinion, because you're the day John Anthony PJ.

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Speaker 3: Jules portion of the program. Tyson a free agent. They

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Speaker 3: didn't trust any of those backups last year to play

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Speaker 3: So a third safety, especially in this league now where

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Speaker 3: especially because Sean McVay keeps setting the marketplace with that

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Speaker 3: of Hey, we're gonna zig or you zag. No, I

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Speaker 3: don't think it changes anything. I think it's literally if

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Speaker 3: it's Ruben Bay and you think he's better. If it's

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Speaker 3: if it's Peter Woods and you think he's better. Uh,

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Speaker 3: And if it's a corner you think he's better. If

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Speaker 3: it's finally, you know, we addressed a bunch of those

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Speaker 3: think it changes any of that. So, no, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: You briefly touched on the defensive interior and they got

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Speaker 1: pretty picked over yesterday in free agency. What does does

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Speaker 1: DJ Reeder do anything for you, skinny?

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Speaker 3: Or are we.

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Speaker 1: Getting caught up in the uh the love affair of

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Speaker 3: He does and he doesn't. Because I just think if

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Speaker 3: you still have TJ. Slayton and McKinley Jackson the roster,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're better, but if you're if

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Speaker 3: you still have TJ. Slayton on the roster, because DJ's

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Speaker 3: a nose tackle. TJ. Slayton's a nose tackle. McKinley Jackson

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Speaker 3: And I think the only defensive tackle you could have

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Speaker 3: somebody text me during the day going it's either Tennessee

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Speaker 3: And as soon as he went, you saw the domino

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Speaker 3: fall of Brian Cook and Mafe Like it was almost

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Speaker 3: out the west later. And so, yeah, if they cut TJ. Slayton,

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Speaker 3: I don't think they do, then I'm I'm in on

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Speaker 3: DJ reader. If they don't, it's six to one half

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Speaker 3: dozen the other.

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Speaker 1: All right, you are all over this evolving free agency situation.

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Speaker 1: Tell listeners how they can read and follow along.

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Speaker 3: Yep, just go to Local twelve dot com, slash sports

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Speaker 3: or hit me up on the X at Local twelve, Skinny.

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Speaker 3: And I gotta say this. I didn't realize until he

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Speaker 3: called and he hung up on it. Didn't hang he

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Speaker 3: put me on hold really quickly. I want to say

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Speaker 3: hello to Russ Jackson, your producer, because he was my

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Speaker 3: producer back in the day and he is the best.

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Speaker 2: All the stories he could tell.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you know one night I had to open

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Speaker 1: I had to spend the eight o'clock hour one night,

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Speaker 1: just say, Rush, tell me about the two angry guys

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Speaker 1: or Bob Trumpy.

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Speaker 3: Here, Yeah, for sure, and vice versa. I just remember

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Speaker 3: about it all the times.

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Speaker 2: That is fantastic. Thanks Richard.

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Speaker 1: All Right, there you go, Richard Skinner, Skinny checking in

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