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Speaker 1: either people Convention dot org. Who is he? Ease Town

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Speaker 1: Zawastowski f and we the People Convention dot or. He's

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Speaker 1: got a new podcast there every week which you can follow.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Tom, It's always nice having you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's great, you know, to be on with you.

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Speaker 2: And I'm listening to this conversation you're having about the

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Speaker 2: city of Cincinnati and Bryan. It just doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it makes no sense. They've got what a

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Speaker 2: two billion dollar budget and they're acting like, you know,

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Speaker 2: to cut twelve million dollars, we got to cut six

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Speaker 2: million from the police force. I mean, I mean it's

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Speaker 2: what's what's twelve million dollars out of two billion, It's

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Speaker 2: like less than one percent. How long will it take

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Speaker 2: you and your wife to figure out how to cut

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Speaker 2: one percent of your spending for the rest of this year?

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Speaker 1: If you went home today and as I could figure

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Speaker 1: that out and my thoughts in the back of my

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Speaker 2: Well? Right, So here's the problem there. This this is nuts.

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Speaker 2: Look at their their their budgets for the last three okay,

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. I'm using my handy AI, so

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Speaker 2: these may not be totally accurate. But in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four their budget was one point eight billion, and it

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Speaker 2: was a change of sixteen percent increase from the year before,

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Speaker 2: when inflation was three point four. In twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: that went up to one point nine to five billion,

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Speaker 2: which is another eight point three percent increase. Inflation was

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Speaker 2: three percent. This year they're at two point sixty seven billion,

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Speaker 2: which is a six percent increase. Inflation's two point five.

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about how there's no controls on

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Speaker 2: their spending. It's real simple. I raise the income taxes. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: get out of here, shut up. Cut suspending. You're just

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Speaker 2: spending like drunken sailors.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know you ran about the city budget. We'll

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Speaker 1: dovetailed quite nicely in the d d ramasow he's proposal

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Speaker 1: and we'll get into details on this in the next segment,

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Speaker 1: final analysis it, we're gonna cut it, We're gonna roll

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Speaker 1: them back, and then local governments will continue. This is

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Speaker 1: from his website. Local governments will continue to operate, but

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Speaker 1: with greater discipline. That's kind of what you're driving at,

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Speaker 1: isn't it, Tom. The City of Cincinnati needs to exercise

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Speaker 1: a greater measure of discipline, like, for example, not chasing

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Speaker 1: carbon dioxide and quit spending so much damn money on

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Speaker 1: green energy proposals which do nothing to help the planet

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Speaker 1: or the residents of the City of Cincinnati's core needs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the discussion that I've been having with

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Speaker 2: a thank for the last six months that the property

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Speaker 2: tax is obviously the most important issue in the state.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, all the polls show that people

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Speaker 2: But it's more than just giving people the money back

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Speaker 2: that was stolen from them when they raised property taxes

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Speaker 2: so crazily in the last few years. It's about reforming

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Speaker 2: our local governments because we have a problem. Every government

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Speaker 2: the answer is always baction, more money. There's never never

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Speaker 2: They won't cut back voluntarily. The only way to force

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Speaker 2: them to rethink what they're doing is to take some

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Speaker 2: reforming state government and local government.

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Speaker 1: It's great. Starve the cancer. That's the way to get

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Speaker 1: around it. Let's bought. We'll pause. We'll bring Tom z

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Speaker 1: with tom's Awastowski. We the People Convention dot org is

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Speaker 1: the website. Check it out. That's good reporting there and

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Speaker 1: Tom z Awastowski pivoted over to the Evan Gramaswami's plan

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Speaker 1: the proposal, which is really important to point out. Our

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Speaker 1: Ramaswami's plan is too, well, immediately roll back to property

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Speaker 2: Tom? Well, see this is the push pull that you're

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Speaker 2: And you know, if you repeal all property taxes, you

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Speaker 2: these are gregious increases of thirty percent or forty percent

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Speaker 2: that's where this thing went off the rails. So he's

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Speaker 2: not saying we're going to eliminate property taxes. We're going

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Speaker 2: he does that on their productus, but the schools and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll acknowledge I wouldn't mind having the property

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Speaker 1: But it's still calculated based upon the market value of

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Speaker 2: So we need to that's a change, that's that's gonna go.

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Speaker 2: And you saw the legislature actually made a move in

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Speaker 2: the private taxes that schools and communities can put on

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Speaker 2: then and reveca is really for this where it's going

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Speaker 2: but maybe you got to get sixty percent of the

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Speaker 1: Well in the other layer in this and I'm not

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Speaker 1: very clear the embracing of school choice across this country.

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Speaker 1: Many states are allowing the tax payer dollars to follow

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Speaker 1: the children. I like the concept, but statistically, I think

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Speaker 1: there are fewer people in the public schools, given that

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Speaker 1: we've got all kinds of options, including you know, getting

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Speaker 1: There are other schools out there that people want to

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Speaker 1: go to, like the Sincinni Classical for example. So more

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Speaker 1: They can afford to tighten their belts a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Well, and this is really the insane part of that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at those stats. You just stated that

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Speaker 2: the VEG puts out there, we're paying forty percent more

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Speaker 2: for pupils and our scores are going down. I mean, wow, Okay,

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Speaker 2: So here's the bottom line. You know, our public school system,

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Speaker 2: which is really just a jobs program for leftisto teachers

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Speaker 2: that isn't as dead men walking. AI is going to

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Speaker 2: just dramatically change the whole education system like it or not.

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Speaker 2: And there's a video at our website at WEAD Thepeopleconvention

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Speaker 2: there's a real interesting video about how AI will change

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Speaker 2: education where these people are actually doing it. They're not

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Speaker 2: talking about it. They've started schools and you may not

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Speaker 2: seen about how will AI really impact schools. The other

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Speaker 2: line is Brian the trades man. Yes, the trades I

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Speaker 2: Their future is not getting a college education right now.

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Speaker 2: You want to make bank, go to a trade school man.

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Speaker 2: This whole idea of like let's go to college and

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Speaker 2: closing down. It's going to be seventy five percent of

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Speaker 2: because we're not in Kansas anymore. Dorothy, No, that's great.

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Speaker 1: It's a great observation, and you know, just need to

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Speaker 2: AI.

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Speaker 1: Okay, computers crunching numbers, crunching data, you know, bringing about

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Speaker 1: of it. What can't computers do answer trades? Plumbing, electric building,

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I listened to my daughter's fiancees in the trades.

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Speaker 1: He went to college, but he was in the roofing

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Speaker 1: And he loves it. And you know, that's it's the

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Speaker 2: And I'm glad you again, Brian. It's not forever. See

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Speaker 2: these people get so. You know, we were fortunate to

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Speaker 2: is the AI world. It starts to evolve. You're not

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Speaker 1: All going back to a reduction in the needs of

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Speaker 1: People Convention dot orgs where you follow and bookmark the

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Speaker 1: all the things he posts up each and every week.

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Speaker 1: And I'm staring at the video page here. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take a look at that. How will AI change education?

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Speaker 1: Well it Yeah, I'm definitely gonna watch that when I

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Speaker 1: get off the program this morning.

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Speaker 2: Tom.

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Speaker 1: Look forward to having you back on real soon. Have

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Speaker 1: a great week, my friend. Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 2: Same to you guys. Thanks for having me on. Brian.

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Speaker 2: I love being with you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you being with us seven fifty right now.

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