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Speaker 6: You know that game weeks ago felt like that's going

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Speaker 6: to be one of the best games of the year.

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Speaker 6: Now I think we're all looking forward to it with dread.

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Speaker 6: there's this mad dash to the postseason. Every game matters

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Speaker 6: about forty minutes, Lease Stirling as well. The Red Series

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Speaker 5: But the defense was leaky.

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Speaker 6: The starting pitching wasn't very good. Yes, they made it

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Speaker 5: It just it wasn't gonna happen.

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Speaker 6: The series itself was severely compromised on Sunday, and I

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Speaker 6: You got to manage that game, assuming you need to win,

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Speaker 6: Because I think every single one of us would have

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Speaker 6: But you know, it was hard to imagine them winning

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Speaker 6: They are infinitely better right now than they were three

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Speaker 6: Making the postseason was not at all an insignificant development.

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Speaker 5: It's a box. At some point, you got a check.

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Speaker 3: And so how does he attack twenty twenty six Because

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Speaker 3: if it's not a quick start, then they've got to

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Speaker 3: Maybe they keep him around and he's the backup plan

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Speaker 3: for Matt McClain, But I don't think that you can,

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Speaker 3: Like you said right in a Black Magic marker, you

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Speaker 5: Eye on him early. Realistically, they have a lot of

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Speaker 6: It's an enviable group, man, and if you're going to

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Speaker 6: to surplus if you had your way and you've got

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Speaker 6: to trade one of those guys because you know it's.

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Speaker 5: Going to get you what you need in return. Who

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Speaker 3: From, I'd say Nick Lidolo, just because I'm a little

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Speaker 3: worried that and I don't even necessarily think it's specifically

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Speaker 3: the blister. He's just the guy that it seems like

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Speaker 3: injuries crop up on him every so often. You could

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Speaker 3: also say the same thing about Hunter Green, but I

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Speaker 3: and I think that you could still get a lot

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Speaker 3: So I still think you could. Really you could probably

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Speaker 3: Nick Lodolo in that trade. So if I were picking

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Speaker 3: I may because you also have Andrew Rabbit from the

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Speaker 3: so it's not as if you would be depleting your

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Speaker 3: other options. But I'm with you. I think that if

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Speaker 3: they're going to make an impactful enough trade, there's going

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Speaker 3: to be a name that we kind of maybe squirm

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Speaker 3: a little bit whenever we hear it.

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Speaker 5: One more was next year's closer on this year's team?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think it's Connor Phillips. Connor Phillips is the

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Speaker 3: guy that you can trust. He may not be the

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Speaker 3: closer job relatively quickly. Next year. There's going to be

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Speaker 3: a market for Amelio Pagan that I think is beyond

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Speaker 3: or any closer for that matter, just because they're a

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Speaker 3: I don't think they have the same value for a

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Speaker 6: The closes eru't opening the closern't opening day this year

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Speaker 6: was Ian Jabou. So as long as that's not the answer,

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Speaker 6: then I'm open anything. Jeff Carr locked on Reds podcast

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Speaker 6: and the Lockdown Bearcats podcast as well. Thanks man, I

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Speaker 6: appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Go right there you go, Lee Sterling helps make us

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Speaker 6: Tony and I have the pregame show at Nune from

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Speaker 6: the Holy Grail. No Bengals injury report out as of yet.

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Speaker 6: The Reds are done playing, but the baseball playoffs continue.

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Speaker 6: Three do or Die game threes, Tigers and Guardians scoreless,

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Speaker 6: At eight pm tonight, our guy Lee Sterling joins us

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Speaker 6: Paramount sports dot com.

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Speaker 5: We're by the.

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Speaker 6: Way, folks who have used this Folks who have used

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Speaker 6: used his service can tell you he has won eleven

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Speaker 6: straight NFL games, eleven straight, by the way, on this show.

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Speaker 6: Last week Lee went three and zero and he had

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Speaker 6: a forty unit play last week on South Carolina covered

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Speaker 6: with Ease in a blowout thirty five thirteen. So Paramount

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Speaker 6: is on Twitter at Paramount sports Lee, what is up?

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Speaker 10: Well, if you come down for the Bengals Dolphins game,

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Speaker 10: I think we can score tickets for like seventeen bucks

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Speaker 10: the beer.

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Speaker 2: The beer might be more expensive.

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Speaker 5: Here here, I'll give you a lock for that game.

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Speaker 5: Are you ready?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Right now?

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Speaker 6: It's scheduled for primetime. That game will not kick off

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Speaker 6: in the dark.

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Speaker 10: No, no chance, no chance, I'm gonna My brother in

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Speaker 10: law is always trying to get me going in December

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Speaker 10: when when things aren't looking good, I usually tell him,

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Speaker 10: like what's going on, like with the tailgate, and they'll

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Speaker 10: tell me, oh, we got like subs. I'm like, unless

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Speaker 10: you've got like surf and turf, I'm not going.

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Speaker 6: I understand. I understand. Let's start with college football. We've

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Speaker 6: got a game in the Big twelve Texas Tech big

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Speaker 6: favorites against Houston.

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Speaker 10: So Texas Tech's best win was against Utah thirty four

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Speaker 10: to ten in Salt Lake City, and it wasn't a fluke.

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Speaker 2: They dominated three.

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Speaker 10: Four eighty four to two sixty three in total yards,

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Speaker 10: so over two hundred and twenty yards advantage. They played

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Speaker 10: more than half the game with a backup quarterback. Houston's

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Speaker 10: best game and best win was against Colorado. That's right,

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Speaker 10: two to three Colorado, whose wins were only against Delaware

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Speaker 10: and Wyoming. They even have a common opponent, Oregon State.

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Speaker 10: Houston won in overtime twenty seven to twenty four. Tech

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Speaker 10: blasted them easypas forty five fourteen. Texas Tech's watched their

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Speaker 10: defensive line. All four new starters come from the Portal,

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Speaker 10: not high profile programs programs like Stanford, UCF, Northern Illinois,

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Speaker 10: and Georgia Tech. But these guys play, They are nasty.

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Speaker 10: They held Devin Dampier, the Utah quarterback who runs like

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Speaker 10: the win to twenty seven rushing yards Houston. I mean,

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Speaker 10: they're playing this game here, It's gonna be tough.

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Speaker 11: Texas Tech is top two.

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Speaker 2: In nil money this year.

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Speaker 10: The only team that's lost money lost the game in

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Speaker 10: the top six here was Texas and they had to

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Speaker 10: play another top NIL team in Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: So Tech is loaded here.

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Speaker 10: Houston is going into this gunfight with a knife. I

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Speaker 10: like Tech big here, thirty eight to twenty one.

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Speaker 5: All right, Lee backs the Red Raiders.

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Speaker 6: Cincinnati is coming off a very good win on the

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Speaker 6: road against Kansas. I was still surprised to see them

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Speaker 6: slight home favorites against Iowa State.

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Speaker 5: Should they be laying points?

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Speaker 2: I think they should. And here's why.

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Speaker 10: I Was State lost their best to two defensive backs

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Speaker 10: both were first and second team All Big twelve last year.

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Speaker 10: They just don't have the depth there and they only

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Speaker 10: rush for one hundred and eleven yards on a whopping

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Speaker 10: forty seven carries against Arizona. So if I think if

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Speaker 10: they control of the line of scrimmage, which I think

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Speaker 10: since he has a chance to do, I think they're

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Speaker 10: the right side here. So you know, I think those

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Speaker 10: three receivers are going to do some real damage against

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Speaker 10: the Iowa State secondary. So you got to play to

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Speaker 10: win here. If they do, they get the job done here.

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Speaker 2: I like Cincy. They keep rolling.

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Speaker 10: We called them last week to win They're also averaging

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Speaker 10: eight point three yards per play here top ten in

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Speaker 10: the country. Were Cats roll here thirty to twenty four lead.

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Speaker 6: There you go, Lee Sterling, Paramount Sports dot Com. Make

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Speaker 6: sure you check it out. The Bengals are big home

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Speaker 6: dogs against Detroit. This number is big.

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Speaker 5: I think it should be bigger, how about you.

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Speaker 10: Cincinnati's offensive numbers are awful.

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Speaker 2: The adjustment since show.

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Speaker 10: Burrow's injury has resulted in turnover after turnover at Minnesota,

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Speaker 10: then punt after punt in Denver. I don't want to

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Speaker 10: go all analytics on you here, but from every formation

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Speaker 10: they've used, they have a negative EPA Expected points added here.

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Speaker 10: Good teams come home off the consecutive road losses and

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Speaker 10: whip a bad team here. But the Bengals are not

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Speaker 10: a good team and the Lions are not a bad

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Speaker 10: team here. Detroit big thirty eight to seventeen.

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Speaker 6: It hurts to hear you say that, but that doesn't

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Speaker 6: make it any less true. Lee Sterlingparamount sports dot Com

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Speaker 6: Your game of the weekend, Houston and Baltimore.

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Speaker 10: YEP, a great game here because all's on the line here.

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Speaker 10: Either team loses this game, there in trouble, almost no

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Speaker 10: shot of making the playoffs. So you want to get

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Speaker 10: Texans against the Ravens without Lamar Jackson. Find out which

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Speaker 10: hundred nine seven four one first five callers. We're going

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Speaker 10: to give them Texans and Ravens on me. And like

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Speaker 10: I said, we are rolling in football eleven straight NFL wins,

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Speaker 10: another forty max wager last weekend. We have a forty

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Speaker 10: Major League Baseball playoffs and get the rest of the playoffs.

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Speaker 10: It was to ninety seven last week, ninety.

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Speaker 2: Seven dollars through the World Series. Check out all the specials.

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Speaker 2: Love to have you on for the ride.

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Speaker 10: Biggest weekend ever at Paramount sports dot com.

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Speaker 5: Lee, You're the best.

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Speaker 6: Sounds good came up all right, here you go, Lee

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Speaker 6: Stirling on Twitter at Paramount Sports. That is the lack

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Speaker 6: of the century. December twenty first Bengals Dolphins originally slated

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Speaker 6: the way. Chad Brandle next to ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 6: penning our hopes on the Bearcats, who are trending upward

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Speaker 6: following their thrilling, stunning road victory against Kansas, now hosting

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Speaker 6: nationally ranked Iowa State on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Chad, i'm o, how it going?

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Speaker 6: Uh good from a UC perspective, really good. Everything else

660
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Speaker 6: we'll discard for the purposes of this conversation. Cincinnati gets

661
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Speaker 6: a big road victory. They win the sort of game

662
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Speaker 6: that they have lost so many times in recent years.

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Speaker 6: The script was flipped, I think on the Noah Jennings catch.

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Speaker 6: They hang on to win on the road against Kansas.

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Speaker 6: What did we learn about the Bearcats against the Jayhawks?

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Speaker 12: I think we learned that their offenses is as advertised

667
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Speaker 12: like there were there were definite questions and doubts about

668
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Speaker 12: that after Nebraska. Uh with the offense, the passing game

669
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Speaker 12: struggling as bad as they did, they have picked.

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Speaker 13: It up since then. And the the.

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Speaker 12: Things that we saw on the practice field throughout camp,

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Speaker 12: with a deep wide receiver room, in a deep tight

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Speaker 12: end room, and you know, multiple weapons out of the

674
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Speaker 12: backfield from the running backs to Soresby running the football, like,

675
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Speaker 12: all of that stuff looked really good in camp, but

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Speaker 12: you never know until they started playing the game. They

677
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 12: played Game one and we all went, well, maybe maybe

678
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Speaker 12: it wasn't what it looked like in camp.

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Speaker 2: Since then it has been.

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Speaker 12: And you know, that's not a great Kansas defense, but

681
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Speaker 12: it's a power for quality opponent. And Sincecinnati shredded them

682
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Speaker 12: with their offense, so I think that is now you know,

683
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Speaker 12: this is going to be a whole different animal because

684
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Speaker 12: Iowa State is always good on defense.

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Speaker 13: They're going to make things difficult for you.

686
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Speaker 12: But I think we can, you know, feel pretty good

687
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Speaker 12: about going into any games since the rest of the way,

688
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Speaker 12: Cincinnati should have a chance to win because their offense

689
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Speaker 12: is going to be able to keep up.

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Speaker 6: They're favored against Iowa State, which I think was surprising

691
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Speaker 6: to some. What is the biggest challenge in this game?

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Speaker 12: On Saturday well, they've played Iowa State twice since joining

693
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Speaker 12: the Big Twelve. They've not passed for one hundred yards

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Speaker 12: in either.

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Speaker 3: Game, so that's a concern.

696
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Speaker 12: Also, this defense has not been good though teams have

697
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Speaker 12: been challenging them over the top. Teams have been completing

698
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 12: a very high percentage of passes. They have not created turnovers,

699
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Speaker 12: they have not gotten a ton of pressure. The stack

700
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Speaker 12: numbers have were pretty good up until Kansas, where they

701
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Speaker 12: didn't get one. But this team is going to have

702
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Speaker 12: to figure some things out defensively to reach their potential

703
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Speaker 12: because teams are kind of effortlessly moving the ball against

704
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Speaker 12: them so far. And I really like Tyson Bte. I

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Speaker 12: really believe because we've seen proof of concept of how

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Speaker 12: good Iowa State has been with this scheme, that there

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Speaker 12: is upside to this scheme. But they have not impressed

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Speaker 12: to this point. And if you're going to beat Iowa State,

709
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 12: this defense is going to have to get some stops.

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Speaker 6: We have injury reports in college football now, so Dante

711
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 6: Corleone is listed as questionable. Their defense gets a major

712
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Speaker 6: boost if he's available. What's your gut tell you about

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Speaker 6: his availability for Saturday.

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Speaker 12: I think it's going to be another one of those

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Speaker 12: let's see how he feels Saturday morning. I think he's close.

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Speaker 12: I think he was close last week. They just didn't

717
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Speaker 12: think he was quite there yet. That that generally gives

718
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Speaker 12: you a good feeling for this week.

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Speaker 13: But I you know, you know how this goes.

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Speaker 11: I would have felt a lot.

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Speaker 12: Better if you came out as probable yesterday, still being

722
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Speaker 12: a questionable. This defense can't be as good as it's

723
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Speaker 12: not going to get a whole lot better if Dante

724
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Speaker 12: Corleone is not in the middle of that defense, giving

725
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Speaker 12: opposing offenses fits at the point of attack.

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Speaker 2: So they need him back. Then.

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Speaker 6: The UC men's basketball season begins one month from tomorrow.

728
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Speaker 6: What has practiced so far taught us about this team?

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Speaker 12: I don't know a whole lot yet because I think

730
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Speaker 12: it's still kind of you know, Wes does three four

731
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Speaker 12: days of like defensive boot camp. I think they're still

732
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Speaker 12: kind of finding their groove. They're still working both of

733
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Speaker 12: the new European guards wings In and Lucas Attari and

734
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Speaker 12: Jordi Rodriguez. But I think this team, the thing that

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Speaker 12: I've I've gathered so far is that this group fits

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Speaker 12: a lot better together. There's not, you know, Jeff, I

737
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Speaker 12: heard Jeff Carr talk about the Reds. The problem they

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Speaker 12: had is a lot of repeatable parts. Last year, Cincinnati

739
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 12: had a lot of repeatable parts. They had a lot

740
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Speaker 12: of pieces that didn't make a puzzle.

741
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Speaker 13: They just kind of were pieces.

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Speaker 12: You know, they look good sitting on the table, but

743
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Speaker 12: if they don't fit together, you're gonna have a hard

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Speaker 12: time having success. I still worry a little about a

745
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Speaker 12: little bit about who is that number one option on offense.

746
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Speaker 12: Who is you know, is day eight Thomas going to

747
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Speaker 12: take that step and be that, you know, have that

748
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Speaker 12: that breakout final year? What does that look like? I

749
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Speaker 12: think the main thing. I think they got a chance

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Speaker 12: to be excellent defensively, especially with dayda Thomas, Buck Harris.

751
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Speaker 12: If you don't know, Sincere Harris is what you know,

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Speaker 12: the name on his birth certificate says he goes by Buck.

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Speaker 12: So if you hear anybody talking about.

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Speaker 13: Buck, that's who they're talking about. Is Sincere Harris, Boba Miller,

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Speaker 13: and Mustapha Chom.

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Speaker 12: With those four guys on the floor, I think you

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Speaker 12: can be top fifteen, top twenty good defensively. So that I.

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Speaker 13: Think is the biggest thing.

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Speaker 2: So far is.

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Speaker 12: I think they have a chance to be elite on

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Speaker 12: one end, but we still have some questions on what

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Speaker 12: exactly it's going to look like defensively or offensively.

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Speaker 5: Excuse me, what's a cooler name? Since here or Buck?

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Speaker 13: I mean probably Buck? Right?

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Speaker 12: Oh, no, sincere. There's a lot of connotations with that,

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Speaker 12: like he kind of got to be a nice guy,

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Speaker 12: right true, And I don't think. I don't think he

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Speaker 12: necessarily is. I think he's got some nasty to him.

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Speaker 12: I think that's I think that's one of the things

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Speaker 12: that I mean, we talk talked about it a million

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Speaker 12: times that this team lack last year was toughness. That

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Speaker 12: they were not a physical team. They were not a

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Speaker 12: tough team. And I think a guy like Cincire Harris

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Speaker 12: definitely gives you a guy that plays with some edge,

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Speaker 12: and I think Jalen Haynes, the big Fine, gives you

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Speaker 12: some of that as well. I think that was definitely

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Speaker 12: a priority when they went into the portal was we

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Speaker 12: can't be soft again because it just doesn't work in

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Speaker 12: this league.

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Speaker 6: I'm going with Buck then Bucket is whatever whatever Buck wants,

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Speaker 6: Buck gets, Chad, thanks so much.

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Speaker 12: Well, that's the thing he insists that you call him Buck,

783
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Speaker 12: So I'm gonna call him.

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Speaker 13: Buck all right.

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Speaker 6: If that's his preference. I have no problem with that

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Speaker 6: at all, Buck it is.

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Speaker 11: Thanks so much, all right, thanks Mam.

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Speaker 6: Chad Brendel Bearcat Journal dot com. It's far away from

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Speaker 6: four o'clock. Meanwhile, lef C Cincinnati has their final regular

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Speaker 6: season road game. Kevin Egan MLS season past Apple TV

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Speaker 6: is calling the match. Join us at four h five

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Speaker 6: on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 12: Win.

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Speaker 2: That's when. Enter it now?

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Speaker 6: When When can e f C Cincinnati win? Tomorrow night?

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Speaker 6: And sorry, it's our Friday Saturday night.

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Speaker 5: Good God.

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Speaker 6: FC Cincinnati needs help. Uh Philadelphia clearly in the driver's

800
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Speaker 6: seat for the supporter shield can clinch it with three

801
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Speaker 6: points this weekend, but FC Cincinnati's ummm. Their fate is

802
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Speaker 6: not in their own hands. But the only way they

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Speaker 6: can leave Frog Philly is by getting some help and

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Speaker 6: taking care of business. They're on the road final roadmatch

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Speaker 6: of the season for the Orange and Blue as they

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Speaker 6: take on the New York Red Bulls seven thirty Saturday

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Speaker 6: Night MLS Season Pass Apple TV Kevin Egan on the call. Kevin,

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Speaker 6: it's awesome to have you as always. Good afternoon.

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Speaker 5: How are you, Oh Mo, I'm good.

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Speaker 13: Thanks.

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Speaker 14: I'm going to listening to you talking about Cincinnati's chances.

812
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 14: But for me, they threw it away. The team threw

813
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Speaker 14: it away, their opportunity at the shield in the final

814
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Speaker 14: few minutes, and as you really say, Philadelphia need to

815
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 14: slip up in a big time way to even open

816
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Speaker 14: the door for a Cincinnati team that I'm not sure

817
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 14: right now look like they're gonna win those games in

818
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Speaker 14: order to win it anyway.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's the thing.

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Speaker 6: You know, They've they've got to get healthier, and it

821
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Speaker 6: feels like they're inching closer as the playoffs draw nearer.

822
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Speaker 6: But I look at the last few weeks and Philadelphia

823
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 6: has been awesome. There have been stretches this year where

824
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 6: it's felt like they were never gonna lose, But this

825
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 6: really does feel like an opportunity loss for FC Cincinnati.

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Speaker 15: I just think there's a nature about the Phillies game

827
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Speaker 15: right now that there's leaders stepping up in big time

828
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Speaker 15: moments for this team. They had one slip up where

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Speaker 15: they went to Vancouver and actually lost the game seven

830
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Speaker 15: MIL on the road, and that was before a big

831
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Speaker 15: semi final in the US Open Cup as well. So

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Speaker 15: that was just a really bad week for Philadelphia. But

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Speaker 15: they bounced back and even when you know things weren't

834
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Speaker 15: going their way in the early going against DC the weekend,

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Speaker 15: he still felt that with the defending of Blesness and

836
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Speaker 15: of mccanya at the back, with the leadership that they

837
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Speaker 15: have in midfield, I think Dannie Jean Jack has been

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00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 15: sensational this year. There's something special about this group, and

839
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Speaker 15: they're a team. There's no real stars unlike Cincinnati that

840
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Speaker 15: have absolute stars in their team. I just thought that

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Speaker 15: that stoppage time window of seven or eight minutes against Orlando,

842
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 15: Orlando could have scored four or five goals. We were

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Speaker 15: in studio watching this and thinking where is the leadership?

844
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Speaker 15: What's going on right now? And this is where I

845
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Speaker 15: think Obina Wobedo coming back to full fitness now is

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Speaker 15: going to be enormous for Cincinnati.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and is active in training. Looks like will be

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Speaker 6: available for a selection on Saturday. It has felt to

849
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Speaker 6: me like right after the League's Cup that the air

850
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Speaker 6: kind of came out of the balloon, at least offensively

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Speaker 6: for FC Cincinnati, how do they reinflate it.

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Speaker 15: It's a question that I'm asking the analyst, and I

853
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Speaker 15: still don't know the exact answer to it, quite honestly,

854
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Speaker 15: because the players, when you look at the eleven when

855
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Speaker 15: it's listed, you're thinking they're good enough to go and

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00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 15: win these games if fully fit, and you rightly said

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Speaker 15: that they've had some big time injury concerns and worries

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Speaker 15: in recent times. But get Kevin denk score and get

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Speaker 15: a vander In behind Brenner. I think it's been a really,

860
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Speaker 15: really good signing. But if you need him at times,

861
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Speaker 15: kay Kamara can be a really influential figure on the

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Speaker 15: field and a real leader on the field when you

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Speaker 15: need them. So it's just it's about pat noon and

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Speaker 15: firing up this group now. I think the shield needs

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Speaker 15: to be forgotten about in a way for Cincinnati, and

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Speaker 15: at this point you turn your attention to the playoffs

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Speaker 15: and making sure that you hit it in good form,

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Speaker 15: good camaraderie, good momentum, and an overall good vibe around

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Speaker 15: the club.

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Speaker 5: And how wide open is the Eastern Conference?

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Speaker 15: How wide open right now.

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Speaker 13: Come the playoffs?

873
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Speaker 15: It's wide open. I think Silly will wrap up the

874
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 15: Shield this weekend. If they win on Saturday, they win

875
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 15: the Shield. It's that simple now after Miami slipped up

876
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 15: during the week the Eastern Conference is anybody's game, and

877
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 15: I'm talking anybody. I'm talking even chicag Go Fire, who

878
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 15: will play in the playing game, most likely against Columbus.

879
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 15: They look really good. They scored five goals at Miami

880
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 15: just a few days ago. It's very much wide open.

881
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 15: Here's what I will say. Cincinnati's concerned. For me, the

882
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 15: biggest concern is home form at TQL Stadium. In terms

883
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 15: of home form, they're the ninth best team in the

884
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 15: East right now, and that was not the case MO

885
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 15: in twenty twenty three when the team won the Shield.

886
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 11: You know, in twenty twenty.

887
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 15: Four, this team was solid. TQL Stadium was a home fortress.

888
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 15: So the fans need to bring it to players absolutely,

889
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 15: to bring it to coaching staff as well, and make

890
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 15: sure the TQL Stadium is that fortress that we remember

891
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 15: from those golden years.

892
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 13: Because this group is good enough. The players are good enough.

893
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 15: I just there's one small tactical thing that I'm curious about,

894
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 15: and that is the wing back positions at times. It's

895
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 15: such an offensive minded team with Brenner. As I mentioned

896
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 15: Denk with the vander and the wingbacks tend to nearly

897
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 15: be wingers instead of defenders. So therefore sometimes you can

898
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 15: leave yourself a little bit exposed at the back.

899
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 13: Thought.

900
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 15: Mark Shuk is a new player who was a winner

901
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 15: for Railsalt Lake, and he was in defensive position, so

902
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 15: I don't think he looked overly comfortable.

903
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 6: In a few days ago, Kevin egan MLS season past,

904
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Speaker 6: joining SFC Cincinnati on the road Saturday night for a

905
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Speaker 6: game against the New York Red Bulls. When I think

906
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 6: of New York and FC Cincinnati, they've got a really

907
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 6: colorful shared history, even going back to you know, before

908
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 6: f C Cincinnati was a major league soccer club. In

909
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 6: the US Open Cup, they've had heated playoff battles. It's

910
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 6: kind of gone sideways for New York this year. They're

911
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 6: not going to be in the postseason. What's gone wrong?

912
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's and they made MLS coup remember last year. Yeah,

913
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 15: they've fallen off a cliffs in the same way the

914
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 15: LA Galaxy. Hap maybe not as bad as the Galaxy,

915
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 15: but it's crazy to think that the two teams that

916
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 15: made it to cook last year won't be in the postseason.

917
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 15: For New York, they've got a little bit of an

918
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 15: identity crisis. I think they've gone with two older, experienced

919
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 15: veterans upfront, but traditionally they've been the high obtained pressing team,

920
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 15: and some of the players they brought in, quite frankly,

921
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 15: have not been good enough. So I think Sandra Schwartz

922
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 15: will be under a bit of pressure. I think this

923
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 15: is the perfect time for Cincinnati to go there, quite honestly,

924
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 15: because the air, like you mentioned, the air being burst

925
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Speaker 15: for Cincinnati. I can't imagine too many New York Red

926
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Speaker 15: Bulls fans have shown up to support this team after

927
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 15: the felt to make the playoffs. So I think Cincinnati

928
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 15: can go there and really, you know, get on the

929
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 15: front foot early, try and get a few goals, and

930
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 15: just turn around their mojo and focus on themselves. But

931
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 15: you're right, the Red Bulls Cincinnati playoff history and the

932
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 15: battles over the years. Think of me Asga and that

933
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 15: yeah the referee post game, and I think of Luco

934
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 15: Acosta and that goal from nearly the halfway line. I

935
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Speaker 15: was actually on the call for that one in Cincinnati.

936
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Speaker 15: There's been some great games between these teams, and it's

937
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 15: never been easy for since.

938
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Speaker 6: No question, we'll see if they can get three points

939
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 6: on the road and just regain their form. Saturday Night,

940
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 6: seven thirty, Kevin Egan MLS season past Apple TV.

941
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 5: I hope you can join us at some point during

942
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 5: the postseason. Kevin, thanks so much anytime.

943
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 13: Oh and listen.

944
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 15: I hope Cincinnati turned it around, and I hope Cincinnati

945
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 15: make a ruin. I want to find myself at TQL

946
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 15: Stadium and my last coup day.

947
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 5: Likewise, let's make that happen. Kevin, thanks so much.

948
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: Cheers mout, take care, you got it.

949
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 6: Seven thirty, Saturday Night, MLS Season past, Apple TV FC

950
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Speaker 6: Cincinnati on the road against New York. Of course, you

951
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 6: could also listen to the match on ESPN fifteen thirty

952
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 6: thirteen after four ESPN fifteen thirty, on moeggor your phone calls.

953
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 5: We were were a little guest free for a bit.

954
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 6: Dan Glaskins in just about thirty minutes, tarn is today

955
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 6: the last day for Brendanman and Jones on baseball?

956
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: I believe so.

957
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 5: All right, So the final.

958
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 6: Brandiman and Jones on Baseball of the Year coming up

959
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 6: later on this hour. Yeah, we started the show by

960
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 6: talking about the series, and honestly, like there are some

961
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 6: things you could second guess that Tito did. I would

962
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 6: have pulled Zach Lttel earlier than Tito pulled him. I

963
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 6: would have left Nick Lodolo to pitch longer than he

964
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 6: allowed them. The Dodgers were just better. The Reds were

965
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 6: gonna have to play perfect in the field.

966
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 5: They did not.

967
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 6: They were gonna have to take advantage of scoring opportunities

968
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 6: they did not. They did not on Tuesday, they did

969
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 6: not last night. The starting pitching was gonna have to

970
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 6: be great.

971
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 5: It was not.

972
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 6: I don't know that that two game series can be

973
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 6: boiled down to any one moment.

974
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 5: But they've.

975
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 6: It still feels like and look, man, Sunday was fun.

976
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 6: Sunday was catharsist. They made the postseason like sports are

977
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 6: supposed to be fun. Enjoy the victories. If you went

978
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 6: overboard on Sunday, awesome, good for you, no harm. And

979
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 6: having all those games in September mean something, And the

980
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 6: roller coaster ride and preparing for the postseason and watching

981
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 6: them play in the postseason lots of fun. It still

982
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 6: feels like the gap between where they are and where

983
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 6: we all want them to be is pretty damn big.

984
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 6: I don't think it gets closed by doing nothing. And like,

985
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 6: I bring this up because right or wrong, if you

986
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 6: care about the Reds, you know that there's a bunch

987
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 6: of different instances in pretty recent history where it's kind

988
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 6: of felt like the plan has been for, you know what,

989
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 6: the team to just play better. Hey, they took a

990
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 6: step this year, they'll just naturally take one this coming season.

991
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 6: To me, the avatar for that, if you will, is

992
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 6: twenty eleven. That's forever ago, right, that's you know, nearly

993
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 6: a decade and a half ago. But twenty ten to

994
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 6: twenty eleven, I remember that offseason vividly going, hello, do

995
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 6: anything to make the team better. That twenty ten team

996
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 6: was better than this one. This year Walt Jockety was

997
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 6: in charge, God rest his soul. Dusty Baker was the manager.

998
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 6: Did nothing. I read a piece in The Athletic yesterday

999
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 6: Brian Price offering a first hand account of what it's

1000
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 6: like to be fired for their Leadership series.

1001
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 5: It's really really good.

1002
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 6: Brian Price was doomed to fail from day one because

1003
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 6: his first team in twenty fourteen. Remember the previous offseason,

1004
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 6: they looked at that ninety win team that year that

1005
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 6: lost to the Pirates and went, eh, you know, we

1006
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 6: were kind of okay. I remember that offseason vividly screaming

1007
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 6: do something.

1008
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 5: They didn't. They ended up losing more than they won.

1009
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 6: Twenty twenty to twenty twenty one, twenty twenty three to

1010
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four.

1011
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 5: Hey, look we've arrived. We've got all these young players.

1012
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 6: Okay, well, you're gonna fortify the team, gonna go get

1013
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 6: some established guys. The answer was no, what happened last year.

1014
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 6: The team was bad enough to get the manager fired.

1015
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 6: And so, like when you're a fan, you have history,

1016
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 6: and unfortunately there is a history of the Reds looking

1017
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 6: at what they have and thinking, eh, we're good, completely

1018
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 6: reasonable to be fearful that that'll be the case this offseason. So,

1019
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 6: and even this past offseason where they did stuff and

1020
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 6: did stuff that worked, you walked away from the offseason

1021
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 6: thinking kind of incomplete. The day before Opening Day, Tony Pike,

1022
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 6: Austin Elmore, and I were talking about what the Reds

1023
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 6: might do at the deadline. The day before opening day,

1024
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 6: four months prior, if we're doing that this March Nick

1025
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 6: Crawl will have failed. The hardest step is to go

1026
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 6: from pretty good to really good, to fringe contender to

1027
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 6: real contender. I don't think that's gonna happen by just

1028
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 6: kind of being passive this offseason. Seventeen minutes after four

1029
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 6: o'clock at moleggor on Twitter, where we have a poll question.

1030
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 6: We'll get to your phone. Calls are coming up five

1031
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 6: point three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty plus. We'll go

1032
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 6: back to a night nearly six years ago where Zach

1033
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 6: Taylor won me over.

1034
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 5: I'll explain.

1035
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 6: Coming up at four thirty five on ESPN th fefteen

1036
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Speaker 6: thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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1051
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 6: When I travel, people go more where you're from, Natty,

1052
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 6: I'd say nascinnati.

1053
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 5: I don't say nasty. No, they don't say. They don't

1054
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 5: say nasty Natty either.

1055
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 11: Aron.

1056
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 5: How are your wings?

1057
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 2: Oh phenomenon?

1058
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 9: They just stand a chance.

1059
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 5: Paid off my my Bengals.

1060
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 6: Vikings back to Arran today with a couple of styrofoam

1061
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 6: containers of wings.

1062
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 5: Uh from a place that is uh. I'm not gonna mention.

1063
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

1064
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 6: Twenty four minutes after four o'clock, five one, three, seven,

1065
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 6: fifteen thirty is our phone number. Jim, You're on ESPN

1066
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 6: fifteen thirty. Jim, Good afternoon.

1067
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 5: How are you hey, Mo?

1068
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 11: How you doing well?

1069
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 5: What's up?

1070
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 16: Losten? I'm sorry, man, I call in here way too often.

1071
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 5: Don't apologize for reality.

1072
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 16: Yeah, I don't get on all the time. But the

1073
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 16: reality is is I sit in an office all day

1074
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 16: surrounded by a bunch of people who call me the

1075
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 16: sportsball guy and.

1076
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 5: You and me, both Jim I have the exact same existence.

1077
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 16: I mean, they will talk about Star Wars and Star Trek,

1078
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 16: you know. I mean, look, when I was seven eight

1079
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 16: years old, loved it, loved it. But they feel to say,

1080
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 16: I can't get a word in edgewise. So I call

1081
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 16: in here just to talk sports with you.

1082
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 5: Well, it's nice, it's nice for you to do so.

1083
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 5: And the floor your.

1084
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 16: Well what I want to mention. And I and I

1085
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 16: don't listen to sports talk twenty four to seven, So

1086
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 16: I don't know if this has ever been brought up,

1087
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 16: but to me, I think what's happening right now with

1088
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 16: the Cincinnati Bengals I would classify as the curse of Burrowhead.

1089
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 16: I don't know that we ever recovered from that ridiculous

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Speaker 16: blunder that Mike Hilton, former Steeler and our mayor, your mayor.

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Speaker 16: I don't live, I don't live in Cincinnati, but you know,

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00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 16: we we haven't been the same game since. I mean,

1093
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 16: if you if you look at it, we really haven't haven't.

1094
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 16: And I think it runs deeper too. I think from

1095
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 16: the quarterback perspective, especially with Joe Burrow, I think it

1096
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 16: might be the curse of Greg Cook. Oh oh, or

1097
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 16: maybe the ghost of Greg Cook. I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 16: I'm not old enough to remember, but I've seen highlight.

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Speaker 5: Uh, Jim, I don't know where you went, Johnny? Yeah, no,

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Speaker 5: I you know.

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00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 6: Bill Walsh said Greg Cook was the most talented quarterback

1102
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 6: he ever coached. You know what, da've The one thing

1103
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 6: the Bengals have had often in their history is quality

1104
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 6: quarterback player, right, Ken Anderson was an MVP, Boomer was

1105
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 6: an MVP, and Carson Palmer had good years, Andy was

1106
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 6: had his moments, and Joe Burrow has been terrific. But yeah, man,

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00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 6: I mean, if if you go back, if if I

1108
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 6: would have said that the burrow head comment came from

1109
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 6: Mike Hilton before they played in the AFC title game,

1110
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 6: the second go round, right, the one that they lost.

1111
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 6: And I think if if you or I would have

1112
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 6: said that here, we would be two more than two

1113
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 6: and a half years later. They still haven't been back

1114
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 6: to the postseason since, and they're sitting here making us

1115
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 6: talk about how this team compares to those of the

1116
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 6: nineteen nineties. We would have said, well, man, a whole

1117
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 6: bunch of stuff will have gone wrong. And that's exactly

1118
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 6: what's happened. A lot of stuff has gone wrong. And

1119
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 6: you know, I was on Paul Danner Junior and Jay

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Speaker 6: Morrison's podcast earlier today, and you know, we were talking

1121
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 6: about just our general thoughts, and mine is just how

1122
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 6: the Bengals have gone from a good enough roster just

1123
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 6: two years ago to survive with Jake Browning as the

1124
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 6: quarterback and a good enough roster to get to back

1125
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 6: to back AFC title games to what they have now,

1126
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 6: which looks like a disaster, and how that reflects so

1127
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 6: poorly on on Duke Tobin. You know, I mean, we

1128
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 6: can hammer away at Zach Taylor and he deserves it

1129
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 6: for that performance on Monday, and we can whale away

1130
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 6: at Jake Browning. I think he'd be the first to

1131
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 6: tell you he deserves it. But like, look at the team.

1132
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 6: How many guys do they have that You're like, you

1133
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 6: know what, that's a building block, that's a foundational piece.

1134
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 6: So even if this season goes sideways, I want this

1135
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 6: guy or I want these handful of players to be

1136
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 6: here next year. There simply aren't that many.

1137
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 16: Yeah, and I don't know how much much research we

1138
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 16: did on Scott Peters. But our offensive line doesn't look

1139
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 16: I mean cohesives. They don't even look like they you

1140
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 16: know that they have any stick on them to get

1141
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 16: I mean, they're they're just nothing to do.

1142
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 5: They can't line up correctly.

1143
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 16: No, it's it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. So I don't know.

1144
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 16: I don't know what we can do. But Detroit might

1145
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 16: put one hundred on us Sunday. I'm going to that game,

1146
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 16: and quite honestly, I don't they're they're saying we need

1147
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 16: to wear paper bags on our head. Quite honestly if

1148
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 16: we lose. If we lose this game, I might want

1149
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 16: to put a plastic bag over my head.

1150
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 5: Well, I please don't do that.

1151
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 6: You know, the the darkest eras in Bengals history. When

1152
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 6: I think of them, I think of that feeling, not

1153
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 6: so much on Sunday, but in the days leading up,

1154
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 6: when you thought, for a couple of how are they

1155
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 6: going to lose this week? How are they going to

1156
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 6: embarrass themselves this week? And you know, while there were

1157
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 6: certainly seasons where they were far from championship caliber for

1158
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 6: the most part, for a large stretch of time in

1159
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 6: the early twenty tens and over the last four years.

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Speaker 6: You've never done that. Even if they were underdogs. She thought,

1161
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Speaker 6: you know what, they've got a puncher's chance. You're not

1162
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 6: going to find anybody, Jim, and I'm not either, who's

1163
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 6: going to think they have even a remote chance of

1164
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 6: winning the game on Sunday. That's how far things have fallen.

1165
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Speaker 6: And to me, that same feeling is what has defined

1166
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 6: so many of the worst teams in Bengals history and

1167
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 6: so many of the darkest periods in Bengals history.

1168
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Speaker 16: Well, our captains need to need to rally the team

1169
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 16: and now. And I include the three hundred million dollar

1170
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 16: wide receivers that we have out there. Who paid these guys?

1171
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 16: And I don't know how many replays I've seen of

1172
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 16: Jamar Chase giving up on a play, giving up on

1173
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 16: a block. You know, those are the kind of things

1174
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 16: that we're paying money for you to be a leader,

1175
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 16: not just a great football player, to be a leader.

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Speaker 5: And you know it's it's sad, Jim.

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Speaker 12: All right?

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Speaker 16: Can I mention something about baseball real quick?

1179
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Speaker 5: You can do whatever you want, all right.

1180
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Speaker 16: I just want to say I took a little exception

1181
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 16: to what you said yesterday about not wanting a salary cap.

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01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 16: I understand your point about the Dodgers. Hey, they have

1183
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 16: the money, they're doing the right thing, go and spend it.

1184
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 16: But you know, we have generations of people that grew

1185
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 16: up in this town that have never seen the Reds

1186
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 16: win a playoff game, and you're you're losing those.

1187
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 5: People them, no doubt.

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Speaker 16: The only thing that can save them is if we

1189
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 16: make this thing fair. And it's never going to be

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Speaker 16: fair for the Cincinnati Reds until we get a salary cap.

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Speaker 5: But why why why then is it fair for the

1192
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 5: Milwaukee Brewers?

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Speaker 16: The Milwaukee Brewers are you got it? You gotta admit

1194
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 16: they're doing amazing things. Also do the related job scouting

1195
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 16: and sure, and you could admit they're one off. They're

1196
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 16: one off, and they've never they've never won a World Series. No,

1197
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Speaker 16: but I mean Mariners have never won a World Series.

1198
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 6: Sure, short, and the New York Mets haven't won one

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01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 6: in thirty nine years, and the New York Yankees have

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01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 6: won one this century, and the Dodgers prior to COVID

1201
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 6: hadn't won one since nineteen eighty eight. I mean, I

1202
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 6: think if there's one thing we learned about this year,

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Speaker 6: and look if here's my thing about the salary cap. Okay, like,

1204
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 6: just as a basic philosophy that has less to do

1205
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 6: with sports than anything else, I am opposed to anything

1206
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 6: that restricts what people can make. My business doesn't have

1207
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 6: a salary cap. Sometimes we act like it, but but

1208
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 6: your business, I would imagine, doesn't have a salary cap.

1209
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Speaker 5: So I am opposed.

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Speaker 6: Salary caps were not put in place in other sports

1211
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 6: originally to ensure competitive balance. They were put in place

1212
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 6: to strict salaries, and if they guaranteed competitive balance, I

1213
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 6: could tell you, as a fan of the New York Knicks,

1214
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 6: I spent the last thirty years wondering when they're going

1215
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 6: to be competitive in a salary cap league. But I

1216
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 6: guess for me a Number one, I'm philosophically opposed to

1217
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 6: anything that prohibits people from making what they are worth.

1218
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 6: But that said, if you want to go, okay, fine,

1219
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 6: there needs to be a salary cap. Two things have

1220
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 6: to happen. The owners need to be completely unified on

1221
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 6: doing everything they can to get one. In the history

1222
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 6: of baseball's labor negotiations, that has literally never happened. Owners

1223
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 6: have caved pretty much every single time. Number Two, if

1224
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 6: they are unified in wanting a salary cap, they're going

1225
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 6: to have to come up with something that the players want.

1226
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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 6: One of the things that often gets mentioned is, well,

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01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 6: give them earlier free agency. Okay, earlier free agency, So

1229
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 6: free agency after four years instead of six, all right,

1230
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 6: That means Elie de la Cruz would be a free

1231
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 6: agent at the end of this year. How do we

1232
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 6: feel about that?

1233
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Speaker 13: Like?

1234
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Speaker 6: You know, so, so people want a salary cap, and

1235
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 6: I always ask like, all right, in order to get

1236
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 6: the players to say yes to it, which they never have.

1237
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 6: The owners have been trying for forty five years to

1238
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 6: get one. In fact, beyond that, what are you going

1239
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 6: to give the players? And I have literally never gotten

1240
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 6: the answer to that. That would that would be to

1241
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 6: the satisfaction of the players union. They don't want to

1242
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 6: increase the minimum salary anymore, which they did during the

1243
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 6: last CBA. They don't want to give them earlier free agency.

1244
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 6: In no other sport to do players play for six

1245
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 6: years before they hit free agency. And no other sport

1246
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 6: could a team literally control you for twelve years if

1247
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 6: they stash you in the minor leagues for six owners

1248
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 6: will not give that up. And so if you want

1249
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 6: to say, well, they need a salary cap, cool, what

1250
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 6: are you willing to give the players in order to

1251
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 6: get one?

1252
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 5: And I've never heard what the answer is.

1253
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 16: Yeah, I know some some sort of revenue share or something.

1254
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 16: I don't know the answer either mode, but I know

1255
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 16: the jectory that the NFL is on versus the trajectory

1256
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 16: that the Major League Baseball is on. You know it's

1257
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 16: not competitive. Yeah, major League going the way of Tennis.

1258
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 6: Maybe, But I don't know that that has to do

1259
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 6: with financial equity. The Kansas City Chiefs have made the

1260
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 6: Super Bowl five of the last six years. Has the

1261
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 6: AFC been competitive? But I mean like in a salary

1262
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 6: cap league. One team has been to the Super Bowl

1263
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 6: in one half of the league in five of the

1264
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 6: six years, so so the salary cap has obviously not

1265
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 6: guaranteed competitive balance.

1266
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 16: No, there's a lot of luck to be involved in it.

1267
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 16: Hidting Patrick Mahomes instead of John Ross might have might

1268
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 16: have helped the Bengals a little bit.

1269
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 6: I mean, I would argue, I would argue we have

1270
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 6: more parody in baseball right now. We're just over the

1271
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 6: last quarter century. We've seen the Kansas City Royals make

1272
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 6: consecutive World Series. We've seen the Tampa Bay Rays go

1273
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 6: to the postseason time and again. The Milwaukee Brewers are

1274
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 6: a small and success. There's randomness to the postseason. They

1275
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 6: haven't made the World Series, but they've got a shot

1276
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 6: every year. As a Reds fan, I'll take that. Put

1277
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 6: me in October in seven of eight years, and I'll

1278
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 6: roll the dice. The Saint Louis Cardinals and not a

1279
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 6: big market, just ran the National League Central for a

1280
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 6: quarter century. I refuse to subscribe to the belief that

1281
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 6: a team gets a pass because it's a small market team.

1282
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 6: I will absolutely acknowledge that the Dodgers have advantages that

1283
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 6: the Reds do not. Fine, but other teams find ways

1284
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 6: to be more competitive on an annual basis than the

1285
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 6: Reds have for thirty years despite having that advantage work

1286
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 6: against him.

1287
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 16: Yeah, the Reds have been embarrassing. But I will say

1288
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 16: that there's a little kid out there somewhere who absolutely

1289
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 16: loves the Reds and absolutely loves Ellie da la Cruz,

1290
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 16: and he's not going to get to watch him play

1291
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 16: for his team in a few years because of this.

1292
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 6: Sure, but having a salary cap isn't going to guarantee

1293
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 6: that Dela Cruz stays in Cincinnati.

1294
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 16: No, but it gives us a better shot at it.

1295
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 5: It might give him a better shot.

1296
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 6: But but I mean, players change teams all the time

1297
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 6: in the NBA, it's kind of a league defined by

1298
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 6: player movement. Players changed teams all the time in the NFL.

1299
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 6: So and and by the way, like I'll swing it

1300
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Speaker 6: back to what I said a few minutes ago. If

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Speaker 6: if you say, well, baseball needs a salary cap, and

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Speaker 6: they're willing to give players earlier free agency, which I

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Speaker 6: would bet they would want, and you've developed Eli Dela

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Speaker 6: Cruz and the nine year old kid has fallen in

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Speaker 6: love with him. Instead of enjoying Eli Dela Cruz for

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Speaker 6: six years now, he's going to enjoy him for four.

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Speaker 5: But hey, he's got a salary cap.

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Speaker 16: I think we'd have a chance to sign him after

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Speaker 16: four years if if we had that. Yeah, but Dal

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Speaker 16: Stewart or any of these guys, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 16: it's tough to see. First of all, a lot of

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Speaker 16: times we keep players in the minors because we don't

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Speaker 16: want to start their flock.

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Speaker 5: No doubt.

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Speaker 16: Don't agree with that either.

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Speaker 6: No, no doubt, no, But but I mean like, but okay,

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Speaker 6: so now out in the NFL, we have a salary

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Speaker 6: cap league, right, and then teams have to be broken

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Speaker 6: apart because you can't pay them all. Right, Bengals have

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Speaker 6: a salary cap. Right, Bengals have a salary cap, and well,

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Speaker 6: you know, I mean for you gotta let good players

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Speaker 6: walk because you can't pay them all.

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Speaker 5: Because there's a salary cap. You got to fit them

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Speaker 5: all out of this.

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Speaker 6: Now, you know, it's a different sport because one guy

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Speaker 6: is going to occupy so much of the payroll. That's

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Speaker 6: not necessarily going to be as much of the case

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Speaker 6: in baseball if you had a cap. But we have

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Speaker 6: players that have to move teams all the time because

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Speaker 6: teams can't afford them because they can't fit them under

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Speaker 6: the cap. So let's just say you decide we want

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Speaker 6: to pay Elie de la Cruz and we want to

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Speaker 6: pay you know, one or two of these pitchers, and

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Speaker 6: then Sal Stewart hits you know, free agency, and it's, uh, oh,

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Speaker 6: we can't pay him because we can't fit him under

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Speaker 6: the cap. So having a salary cap, by no stretch,

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Speaker 6: is going to ensure that you have a better chance

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Speaker 6: to keep your kid's favorite players.

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Speaker 5: Jim, I've enjoyed it immensely.

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Speaker 6: Call again, man, thanks so much, All right away, Late

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Speaker 17: Dan.

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Speaker 6: This week, my OH to four team is going up

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Speaker 6: against Richard Skinner's oh and four team should be an

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Speaker 6: absolute fantasy football classic, some battle of.

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Speaker 18: The football brains, right there, no doubt about it. You know,

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Speaker 18: the toilet Bowl usually comes at the end of the season.

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Speaker 18: You guys are getting an extra special treat early.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and by the way, I have the second most

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Speaker 6: amount of points in the division I'm in. But I'm

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Speaker 6: oh and four. This is not my fault. I'm abdicating

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Speaker 6: myself a responsibility for this.

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Speaker 18: There we go, There we go. Well, you get an

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Speaker 5: Boy, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: The key this time of years, you got to navigate

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Speaker 6: bye weeks, which begin in week five.

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Speaker 18: Yes, no doubt about it. There's bye week blues kicking

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Speaker 18: in four teams on by this week, the Falcons, the Bears,

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Speaker 18: the Packers, the Steelers. Make sure they're out of your lineups.

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Speaker 18: But we got by and eight of the next nine

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Speaker 18: weeks outside of Thanksgiving week and week thirteen you got

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Speaker 18: three weeks, but three buys. You got Week eight stix

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Speaker 18: byes by mcgeddon, whatever you want to call it, it's

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Speaker 18: definitely something worth playing before and here there's some helpful

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Speaker 18: tips to deal.

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Speaker 13: With bye weeks.

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Speaker 18: Plan ahead, not too far ahead. You don't need to

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Speaker 18: be worrying about week eleven right now because things change

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Speaker 18: pretty quickly. But definitely looking ahead these next couple.

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Speaker 13: Of weeks not a bad idea.

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Speaker 18: Watch the wire. My favorite part of bye week starting

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Speaker 18: up are players and fantasy managers. They're being forced in

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Speaker 18: the cutting players they don't want to. So be sure

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Speaker 18: to stay on that transaction wire each day of the week.

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Speaker 18: And then, obviously, as these bye weeks start coming, as

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Speaker 18: you make trade for players, you know, if a guy's

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Speaker 18: already threw is by, that's one last game you'll have

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Speaker 18: to miss after you acquire. So keep all those things

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Speaker 18: in mind.

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Speaker 6: All right, let's start with some critical Week five injuries

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Speaker 6: beginning in New York.

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Speaker 18: Yes, oh my goodness. Actually let's start with tonight's game. O.

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Speaker 18: I shifted that on your sense the notes, because I mean,

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Speaker 18: we got to talk about the forty nine ers. It's

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Speaker 18: the end of your report.

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Speaker 2: It should all be.

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Speaker 13: Tonight.

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Speaker 18: There's no Brock party, there's no Juwan Jennings, there's no

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Speaker 18: Ricky pearsall. It's Christian McCaffrey time and pray and hope.

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Speaker 18: But they're almost ten point Dogs, So the forty nine

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Speaker 18: ers very dicey.

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Speaker 2: This week.

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Speaker 18: You mentioned the Giants the buzz kill of the week

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Speaker 18: with Malik Neighbors and suffering that gruesome knee injury ending

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Speaker 18: his season. Right when the Giants get their young quarterback

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Speaker 18: off the bench and things are looking exciting Giants fans,

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Speaker 18: I mean they can relate to U s Bengal fans,

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Speaker 18: I think quite a bunch. But fantasy managers dealing with

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Speaker 18: life without him turn to guys like Darius Layton whatnot.

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Speaker 18: But Tyreek Hill another season ending injury there, so he's

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Speaker 18: out for the Dolphins. And my wife, Kelly, you think

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Speaker 18: you got it most she had Molik Neighbors and Tyreek

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Speaker 18: kill on. Oh, it was a rough week for her.

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Speaker 11: Rough week.

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Speaker 18: If you're waiting on Terry mclaughin two, I'm not sure

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Speaker 18: the Commanders are getting that wide out back. They are

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Speaker 18: trending though, to get back quarterback Jayden Dangles with his

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Speaker 18: knee issue. So we get one of the best fantasy

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Speaker 18: quarterbacks back, right when we lose one of the best

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Speaker 18: fantasy quarterbacks and if not the best fantasy quarterback, Lamar

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Speaker 18: Jackson out this week, probably multiple weeks with this knee issue.

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Speaker 18: I think he sits out through the by I don't

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Speaker 18: think we'll see him until week nine. Bucky Irving, the

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Speaker 18: running back we're all keeping our eyes on. Doesn't look

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Speaker 18: like a serious long term issue, but I don't expect

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Speaker 18: him to play this week. You can miss multiple weeks

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Speaker 18: as you're getting second opinions on his acorn foot issue.

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Speaker 18: Juba Hubbard. He didn't practice today. That's two days in

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Speaker 18: a row for the Panthers. I'm starting to get worried

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Speaker 18: about his status.

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Speaker 11: Let's check that.

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Speaker 18: Friday injury report. Rico Daddle. With all these injuries and

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Speaker 18: all these buys, If Twopa Hubbert's out, this guy's a

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Speaker 18: starting RB two potentially. Joe Mixon doesn't think I keep

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Speaker 18: coming back at all this season. I don't know what

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Speaker 18: happened there Mode, but I do know if he's sitting

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Speaker 18: on your fantasy bench, you can go ahead and cut him.

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Speaker 18: With Marx has arisen in that Texans back so they

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Speaker 18: really like the rookie guy. J Spears. He's trending in

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Speaker 18: the right direction towards the return. Might not be this week,

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Speaker 18: but hopefully soon. With the ankle, there's the Titans can

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Speaker 18: use him and Brailin out and the Jet's gonna be

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Speaker 18: without him. He's placed on IR. I expect Breife Hall

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01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,839
Speaker 18: to get more volumes, so he's definitely seeing his fantasy

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Speaker 18: stock on the rise.

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Speaker 6: Dan Klaskins is with us on Twitter at Dan Klaskin's

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Speaker 6: host of Fantastics Insider Football on Serious XM Fantasy. Give

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Speaker 6: me your Week five studs, duds and sleepers.

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Speaker 18: Yes, sir, Let's finish and start here with our studs.

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01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 18: Marion Hampton. I am a little concerned. The Charger is

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01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 18: going to be without left tackle Joe Walt, so that

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Speaker 18: is problematic. They're already without their right tackle as well.

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Speaker 18: But man, with je Harris out for the season, it's

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Speaker 18: volume and that's what I like here For Hampton, he

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Speaker 18: had a twenty five plus fantasy points last week. I

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Speaker 18: expected to get close to twenty again this week. Versus

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Speaker 18: the Commanders. George Pickens also benefiting from injury Ceedee Lambs out.

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Speaker 18: He's really stepped up big time for the Cowboys. The

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Speaker 18: former Steeler really haven't heard a lot about his locker

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Speaker 18: room problem seeing any of the antics Alsborthkyan's production. He's

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Speaker 18: a top ten fantasy wide this week in the game,

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Speaker 18: I expect to be fool of fireworks for fantasy between

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Speaker 18: Dallas and the Jets. On the dud side, I know

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Speaker 18: Bo Nicks look like he should be in the Hall

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Speaker 18: of Fame when he played against the Bengals on Monday night,

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Speaker 18: but I don't expect the same results of Philadelphia, where

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Speaker 18: they actually have a defense. Bo Knicks outside my top

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Speaker 18: fifteen this week, which means all of his passing targets

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Speaker 18: down there as well. Outside the JK Dobbins. Not really

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Speaker 18: trusting too many Broncos in my starting lineup. We're gonna

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Speaker 18: sit te Higgins. I don't need to tell you why.

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Speaker 13: It's pretty obvious you.

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Speaker 18: Need a quarterback to have a receiver. T Higgins now

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Speaker 18: outside my top forty, which is really disappointing for what

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Speaker 18: was a third round pick. He needs to play his

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Speaker 18: way back into your lineups. And some sleepers. Love me

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Speaker 18: some Matthew Stafford tonight. I don't think it's going to

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Speaker 18: be huge numbers, but I do got him in the

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Speaker 18: top fifteen. I looked for him to throw for multiple

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Speaker 18: scores to defense with them. Nick Bosa also banged up

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Speaker 18: for the forty nine ers, and love me some Cam

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Speaker 18: statfho loved this dude when he was at Arizona State.

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Speaker 18: Didn't get enough shares of him in season long, but

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Speaker 18: now with the Giants back to belonging to him and

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Speaker 18: him alone, be it is in my top ten this week,

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Speaker 18: actually number twelve, so he said RB one this week

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Speaker 18: versus the Saints, who are better than any think it's

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Speaker 18: going to be a pretty good game here. I actually

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Speaker 18: think Skataboo ends up with twenty plus touches. That certainly

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Speaker 18: makes him fantasy valuable.

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Speaker 6: Dan Klaskins is with us to talk about fantasy football. Also,

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Speaker 18: women have served our country. And if you want to

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Speaker 18: learn more of sign up. We'd love to have you

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Speaker 6: It, Saturday, November the eighth, dav five k dot org.

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Speaker 5: Well chat next week. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 18: All right, I hope you the best of luck playing skinny.

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Speaker 18: Somebody's got a way you got. You gotta end up.

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Speaker 5: Pie, probably tie.

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Speaker 6: Probably, That's that's how my life works. Yeah, yeah, Well

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Speaker 6: we'll see Dan. Thanks so much. Dan Klaskins follow on

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Speaker 6: Twitter at Dan Klaskins. Dylan Dingler a solo homer in

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Speaker 6: the top of the sixth inning for the Detroit Tigers,

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Speaker 6: giving them a two to one lead over Cleveland Game three,

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Speaker 6: decisive Game three of that AL Wildcard Series. Cubs and

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Speaker 6: Padres getting underway at the top of the hour, Brendiman

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Speaker 6: and Jones on baseball for the final time this year.

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Speaker 6: on the Bengals with him. I didn't get a chance

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Speaker 6: to get to this last hour, but I do want

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Speaker 6: to go back to December of twenty nineteen and compared

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01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 6: to what we saw on Monday night that here, in

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01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 6: just a bit, we have put a bow on the

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Speaker 6: Red season, which you know, they always faced a very

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Speaker 6: uphill battle and beating the Dodgers, they were gonna have

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Speaker 6: to play completely clean in the field.

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Speaker 5: They did not.

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Speaker 6: I thought that series was compromised when Nicko Lodolo had

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Speaker 6: to pitch in Game one sixty two. I thought it

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01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 6: took a nose dive when Hunter Green just did not

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Speaker 6: show up in Game one, and I thought the final

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Speaker 6: straw came in the sixth inning when they loaded the

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Speaker 6: bases down by one and couldn't get a run in,

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01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 6: with Elie de la Cruz fanning to end the six inning.

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Speaker 6: I also thought the Red's bottom of the order allowed

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Speaker 6: Yoshi Yamamoto to really kind of settle down after that

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Speaker 6: rough first inning. And the rough first inning was a

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Speaker 6: byproduct of an error by ti Oscar Hernandez. But I thought,

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Speaker 6: you know, once the Red score two runs, you could

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Speaker 6: feel Yamamoto settling in, and I think the offensive issues

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01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 6: at the bottom of the order allowed him to settle in.

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Speaker 6: And so now we look ahead, you know, like Sal Stewart,

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01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 6: you can't help but wonder what does the make of

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01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,839
Speaker 6: this team look like had they called him up earlier?

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Speaker 6: And that is a player who you're obviously excited to

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Speaker 6: be on the team next year. But like where like

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Speaker 6: one of the things that happened this season that totally

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Speaker 6: killed them was Christian and Karnasi on Strand. I don't

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Speaker 6: even want to say turn into a pumpkin, just that

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Speaker 6: may be what he is, a four to a player,

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Speaker 6: a bench bat like he was by now supposed to

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Speaker 6: be like the starting first basement of this team. Maybe

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Speaker 6: getting some d Jack bats. So what they do at

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01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 6: first base, your guess is as good as mine. Maybe

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Speaker 6: it's going to be Sal Stewart. His natural position, if

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Speaker 6: you will, is third base. You have an offensive zero

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Speaker 6: out there. And I asked this after the trade deadline. Look,

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Speaker 6: keep Brian Hayes. I kind of wish he would have

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01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 6: charged that ball he let just roll over to third

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Speaker 6: base last night. But as a defensive player was magnificent.

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Speaker 6: But how good does his defense have to be for

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01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 6: you to put that bat in the lineup every day

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01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 6: when it gives you next to nothing? So this team

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Speaker 6: has to be better offensively next year. Do you just

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Speaker 6: go into the offseason thinking third base is going to

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Speaker 6: be an offensive zero?

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Speaker 5: Really?

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Speaker 6: So you can make a case that they need a

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Speaker 6: whole new outfield. You can make a case they need

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Speaker 6: something different than what they have right now with both

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Speaker 6: corner infield spots. They have to get better production from

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Speaker 6: second base, they have to find protection for behind Ellie,

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01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 6: and they need more guys on base in front of Ellie.

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01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 6: Ellie himself has to perform better. I would really like

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01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 6: to think that next year we're not talking about where

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01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 6: he plays anymore because it's settled. Either he's a good, big,

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01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 6: leading shortstop who doesn't make as many errors, or he's

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Speaker 6: playing somewhere else. Like, there's still a lot of uncertainty.

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01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 6: So they made the postseason. That's not insignificant, that's tangible

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01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 6: proof of progress. It was a fun ride in September.

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Speaker 6: But to go from where they are to what they

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01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 6: need to be is going to require some work and

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Speaker 6: some really tough decisions. And we'll see if this front

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Speaker 6: office is up to the task. Eleven minutes after five o'clock,

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Speaker 6: we have folks waiting. I don't want to make them

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Speaker 6: wait any longer. Mike, go ahead. You're on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 6: thirty and I finished small.

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Speaker 5: For Can you take me off the speakerphone please?

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Speaker 2: Oh it's not that.

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Speaker 17: I was just coming back from the bathroom. I apologize. Hey,

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01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 17: thanks for putting me on. I appreciate.

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Speaker 12: Well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, looking at your emails, you've seem like you've been

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01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 6: such a fan of the show so far that I

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01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 6: couldn't wait any longer.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, you know, I'm a big sam though. I congratulated

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Speaker 17: Tony on his ACE anniversary today, but I said, hey, Tom,

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01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 17: I've been talking to Mo on the radio since two

1641
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 17: thy ten. Sure, so he got a little ground. You

1642
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 17: got to make up. Derek cowboys on his way.

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01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 5: He and Austin are both on their way.

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01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 17: Yeah, he was a little bit disgruntled today, but you know,

1645
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 17: like that's why, Hey, U, you were talking to that

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01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 17: guy earlier about the salary cap and stuff, and I

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01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 17: bet you're I've bet you are in the camp of

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01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 17: thank God for Kirk Flood, right, thank you, thank you.

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01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 17: I don't know people know what that means.

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01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 5: Should should be, should be in the Hall of Fame.

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01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 17: Yep, great center fielder.

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01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 6: Very very good player, but the central figure in bringing

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Speaker 6: free agency to baseball and subsequently all the professional sports.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 17: You can't getting back to the series tonight. You can't lose.

1656
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 17: You can't give up eighteen rounds and two dams and

1657
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 17: most anybody. And that's what's so perplexing, though, is that's

1658
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 17: what we had our hopes riding on. Was it was

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01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 17: the pitching. And that's what got Niece of doggone frustrated?

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01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 2: What what?

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01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 17: What were you mad or just disappointed or how did

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01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 17: you feel about it?

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01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 5: I don't think mad is the right word.

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01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 9: I was.

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01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 6: I was disappointed. I can't say that I was stunned,

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01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:04,480
Speaker 6: you know again, Like on Sunday when I saw Nikolodolo

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01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 6: jogging in from the bullpen, my thought was, Okay, that's fine,

1668
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 6: You've got to manage today thinking about today and nothing else.

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01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 6: But that is probably gonna hurt their chances of winning

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01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 6: Game two.

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Speaker 5: And it's a best of.

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01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,759
Speaker 6: Free series, right, you know, you can only lose twice,

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01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 6: So that that amplified to me at least, that amplified

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01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 6: the pressure on Hunter Green, and he just wasn't up

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01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 6: to it. I mean, you know, Hunter, you know what

1676
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 6: a big fan I am. You know what I think

1677
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 6: he has meant to this team this year. But if

1678
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 6: they were going to beat the LA Dodgers twice, chances

1679
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 6: are those games we're going to be three to two

1680
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 6: or four to three, a low scoring game.

1681
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 5: They were not going to win a slug fest.

1682
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 6: Hunter Green throwing batting practice on Tuesday night meant that

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01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 6: the only way the Reds were going to win that

1684
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 6: game was going to be via slugfest. And that's that's

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01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,719
Speaker 6: not how they're built, and it's not how they're built

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01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 6: against the team that can run at you, Blake Snell

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01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 6: and Yoshinobo Yamamoto. Now the Dodgers' bullpen is a mess,

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01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 6: which is I think at some point going to catch

1689
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 6: up to him here in the postseason. But the way,

1690
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 6: the way the Reds had a chance was they're starting pitching.

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01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 6: The starting pitching basically, uh remove them from having a

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01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 6: chance against the Dodgers well going forward.

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Speaker 17: And I hate I know you hate to talk about

1694
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 17: this because I do it too. Okay, next year, next year?

1695
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 17: What are we gonna do next year?

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01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 11: Next year?

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01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 17: I've heard you say this, You you get aggravated with

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01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 17: that poled next year crap.

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01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 5: But I but I don't now.

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01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 6: I don't now, because that's where the conversation should go,

1701
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 6: like what do they do that's better?

1702
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 5: What do they do that's next?

1703
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 17: But we got to get a we gotta figure out

1704
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 17: a way to get a legit home run hitter, right,

1705
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 17: everybody knows it. And do you and do you think

1706
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 17: our pitching staff, for as good as it is, it's

1707
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 17: just still a little bit young and we could use uh,

1708
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:55,480
Speaker 17: well singers on you. I'm just wondering that in his playoffs,

1709
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 17: it looks like if we had a second, more season

1710
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 17: starter you see it after Hunter's lost. Yeah, I could

1711
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 17: be totally wrong, but what do you think you.

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01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 5: Can never have enough pitching.

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01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 6: I think though, that the pathway to get a bat

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01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 6: more likely involves I think them trading from one of

1715
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 6: their trading from their surplus of pitching and moving one.

1716
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 5: Of those guys.

1717
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 6: They need a guy who can hit the ball out

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01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 6: of the ballpark, and if Sal Stewart can be one

1719
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 6: of those guys, awesome. I don't know that you can

1720
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,640
Speaker 6: turn down the opportunity to get a thumper because you

1721
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 6: think Sal Stewart, who's been in the big leagues for

1722
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 6: a month, is going to hit thirty home runs for you.

1723
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 6: But they just need better offense top to bottom. It's

1724
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 6: not like they were a great team getting on base.

1725
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 6: Their two hole production this year was the worst in

1726
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 6: the sport. That was supposed to be Matt McClain. That's

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01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 6: got to be fixed because, yeah, you want a guy

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01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 6: who can hit the ball out of the ballpark, but

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01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 6: I don't want thirty solo home runs. You want more

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01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 6: traffic on the base pass. I think they have to

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01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 6: figure out what they want to be in terms of

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01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 6: their offensive identity because they stop stealing bases this year

1733
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 6: below league average and stolen base rate. They were below

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01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 6: league averaging on base percentage, they were below league averaging

1735
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 6: home runs. So it's one thing if you're you know what,

1736
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 6: we don't have a thumper, but we're gonna be more

1737
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 6: aggressive on the bases.

1738
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 5: We're gonna run more.

1739
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,719
Speaker 6: We've got a lot of high on base percentage guys.

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01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 6: Neither ended up being the case this year, and so

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01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 6: I'm kind of curious, all right, who's your thumper that's

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01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 6: gonna protect Ellie? But are they gonna have more guys

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01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 6: who are good at getting on base next season? Are

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01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,799
Speaker 6: they gonna have better production from the two spot?

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01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:31,719
Speaker 5: Can they move.

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01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 6: Forward with the lack of outfield productivity we saw this

1747
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 6: year where you know, Austin Hayes was okay, but you

1748
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 6: can do better than that.

1749
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 5: TJ. Friedel's a nice player. You can do better than that.

1750
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 6: God knows they can do better than the production they

1751
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 6: got topped about him in right field? Is Noel ve

1752
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 6: Marte really the answer out there? Does he plays center field?

1753
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 6: Are they gonna have more depth where we're not watching

1754
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 6: Jacob Hertebes and Blake donn in a revolving door of

1755
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 6: like you know, for a play in the outfield, Like

1756
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 6: there's there's some really really important things that have to

1757
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 6: be addressed. But I'm with you. I think you start

1758
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 6: with a guy who can hit it out of the yard.

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01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 6: But I'm not sure that by itself is the only

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01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 6: remedy for their offense.

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01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 17: You know what I was thinking, the reincarnation of Kevin Mitchell.

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01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 6: Well, Kevin Mitchell fortunately is not dead, so we don't

1763
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 6: need the reincarnation. But yes, I would take a guy. Mike,

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01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 6: thank you was always I gonna run iou. I would

1765
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 6: take some version of that. It goes without saying Jay

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Speaker 6: Morrison next to ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 7: fifteen thirty to the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 6: Jane Morrison joins us on Thursdays Bengals Talk dot Com,

1782
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 6: also part of the Growler Podcast with Paul Dayner Junior.

1783
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 6: If if you want to read something really sobering, good

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1785
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Speaker 5: Read about what the Bengals are in jeopardy of doing.

1786
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 6: If they get beaten by the Detroit Lions on Sunday,

1787
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Speaker 6: which pretty much everybody thinks is going to happen. So

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01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 6: let's Jay. It's nice to have you as always. So

1789
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 6: in the aftermath of Monday night, I guess the question

1790
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 6: is now what.

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01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 19: Get back on the horse, get back to work. And

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01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 19: I mean there's no other answer. This is ah, this

1793
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 19: is not the kind of game you can put your

1794
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 19: head down and pout and they've they've got to come out.

1795
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:07,799
Speaker 13: It's been interesting.

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01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 19: I was I was really interested to see, you know,

1797
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 19: yesterday they had a night walk through and they were

1798
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 19: free to go after that. They had had all their

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01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 19: meetings done and everything and so By the time Jake

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01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 19: Browning was done with his press conference, we walked in

1801
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 19: the locker room into it goes down. Nobody's in there.

1802
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 19: They'd all gone home for the night. So today was

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01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 19: really the first day we got a chance to kind

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01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 19: of take the pulse of the locker room and talk

1805
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 19: to some of the leaders. And it was it was

1806
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,719
Speaker 19: It was what you would want to see. And hear

1807
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 19: Jamar talking about addressing the team after the loss and

1808
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 19: telling people we wants to see them get mad and

1809
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 19: angry and and not just take the loss. And Ted

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01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 19: Carris was pretty about as animated as I've seen him

1811
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 19: since since he's been here. Whether that translates to Sunday,

1812
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 19: I don't know, but it does seem like they are

1813
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 19: in the right state of mind to get the same

1814
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 19: turn around.

1815
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 5: Who are the leaders of the team on defense, Yeah.

1816
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 19: That's a great question. I mean, Logan Wilson is just

1817
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 19: he's been here for a long time, he's respected. He's

1818
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 19: maybe not playing like the kind of what you would

1819
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 19: expect from a leader. You know, he's getting a little

1820
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 19: bit older, but that there is a major absence there

1821
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 19: on that side of the ball. I mean, they voted

1822
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 19: Trey Hendrickson a captain, but he's just kind of in

1823
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 19: his own little world and I don't know what he's

1824
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 19: like in meetings and that type of thing, but he's

1825
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 19: he's not the one that's working in the locker room.

1826
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 19: He's rarely in the locker room when we're in there,

1827
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 19: and I think that's more product of us than his teammates,

1828
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 19: but it is. That's that's an area where they are lacking.

1829
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 19: And that's another thing, just not not just defense, but

1830
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 19: everybody focuses on what Joe Burrow can do as the

1831
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 19: player and the loss of him in that regard, but

1832
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 19: he's the one guy that was the vocal guy that

1833
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 19: was getting in guys' faces and really stepped into that role,

1834
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 19: and losing him in that role as a leader, it's

1835
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 19: almost as important as losing him on the field as

1836
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 19: a player. So there's there's some voids there and they're

1837
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 19: looking for guys to step up. And I'm not sure,

1838
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 19: you know, we kind of talked about on the podcast today,

1839
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 19: who do you want to build around on that defense?

1840
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:19,480
Speaker 19: There's not a lot of answers.

1841
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 6: How long is Jake Browning's leash, whether it be in

1842
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 6: terms of finding a guy from elsewhere or just seeing

1843
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 6: if Brett Rippon could do any better.

1844
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,679
Speaker 19: Well, if it's the latter, If it's if your answer

1845
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 19: is gonna be Brett RiPP and I think the leash

1846
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 19: is a little bit longer. If it's going out and

1847
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 19: getting someone somewhere else, I think it's it's shorter. I

1848
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 19: think it's something they have to be open to, especially

1849
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 19: if Sunday looks like the last two weeks. If they

1850
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 19: come out and they getting a shootout with the Lions

1851
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,720
Speaker 19: and they still lose, I think that changes things. But

1852
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:58,600
Speaker 19: if this offense is as dreadful as it's been the

1853
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 19: last two weeks on Sunday, I think they really have

1854
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 19: to start considering it because at some point you.

1855
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 2: Wait too long. If they don't beat.

1856
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 19: Detroit, does anybody think they're going to go to Green

1857
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 19: Bay and women? Does anybody have a lot of confidence

1858
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 19: they're going to beat Pittsburgh all of a sudden, you're

1859
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 19: two and five. Is it worth it at that point

1860
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 19: to give up assets and try to go get a

1861
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 19: quarterback and get somebody in here and get this thing

1862
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 19: turned around. If they're gonna go out and get somebody else,

1863
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 19: it needs to happen soon and Sunday might be the

1864
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 19: determining factor.

1865
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 5: I think that's the fear.

1866
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 13: You know.

1867
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 6: I think a lot of us came out of that

1868
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 6: Denver game not so much thinking about, all right, you know,

1869
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 6: how do they survive these next few weeks?

1870
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 5: But but how bad? How bad is this going to get?

1871
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 6: And if it gets as bad as we all fear,

1872
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 6: what's what's that going to mean for coach? What's what's

1873
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 6: that going to mean for the staff? What's that going

1874
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 6: to mean for the direction of this organization?

1875
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 19: Yeah, it's there's gonna be some tough questions. Because we

1876
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 19: talked about it even last year when they fired Lou

1877
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 19: that you only get to do that once. Blow it up,

1878
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 19: find escapegoat. If things go south this year, it could

1879
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 19: be Zach on the chopping block. And I don't know

1880
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 19: that he gets a path with Burrow being heard because

1881
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:09,679
Speaker 19: they've he's already proven it once. He had a winning

1882
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 19: record when Burrow got hurt two years ago. So if

1883
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 19: this thing goes super south, I do think that he

1884
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 19: would be in jeopardy of not coming back. I don't

1885
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 19: think it's going to happen in the mid season. It

1886
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 19: makes no sense. There's nobody on this staff with head

1887
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 19: coaching experience. You're not going to be better by by

1888
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 19: promoting a rookie head coach. And even if it's like it,

1889
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 19: it was someone like dam Pitchery. He's never even been

1890
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 19: a play caller before. So I don't think anything's going

1891
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,640
Speaker 19: to happen in season. But if this thing does go

1892
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 19: the way a lot of people see it going, then

1893
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 19: there could be a change at the end of the year.

1894
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 6: This is this is not the conversation I thought we'd

1895
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 6: be having right now about a month ago.

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01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 5: Jay, awesome as always, Man, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 13: Okay, thank him.

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01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 6: That's our man, Jay Morrison read them Bengals Talk dot

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Speaker 2: Did someone say calf fight?

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Speaker 4: Sorry, that's the first thing that came into my mind.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's move on.

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Speaker 4: Detroit rolls into Cincinnati to take on our beloved Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Will the Orange and Black send the Lions back up

1940
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Speaker 4: I seventy five with their tail between their legs? Catch

1941
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 4: the goal live from Dan Hord and Dave Lapon. Coverage

1942
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 4: starts Sunday at twelve node stream for free on the

1943
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 4: new and improved iHeartRadio app for ESPN fifteen thirty, the

1944
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 4: official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1945
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 6: Our headlines are a service to Kelsey's Chevrolet Home of

1946
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1947
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 6: to yours for life kelseyshev dot Com. The Bengals are

1948
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 6: getting sent to play the Detroit Lions in a game

1949
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 6: that does not feel like a Super Bowl preview. It'll

1950
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 6: kick off at four to twenty five Sunday. You just

1951
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 6: heard the guy with the deep voice pregame coverage with

1952
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 6: me and Tony at the Holy Grail starting at noon.

1953
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:55,599
Speaker 5: You want to injury report, here you go.

1954
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 6: Charlie Jones, now go again, Shamar Stewart, No go again,

1955
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 6: No offense full, which is good news coming out of

1956
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 6: concussion protocol. BJ Hill limited, Daxhil that they're saying rest

1957
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 6: and knee non injury related limited today, Matt Lee limited

1958
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 6: as well the Roundtable Show tonight at six from Long

1959
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 6: Necks Richwood on seven hundred w WELW starring Lance and Rocky.

1960
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 6: Thursday Night Football Tonight, Rams and Niners that is on

1961
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 6: Fox Sports. Thirteen to sixty wheels have come off for

1962
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:30,160
Speaker 6: the Guardians in Cleveland Detroit, putting a four spot on

1963
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 6: the board in the seventh inning, and Tigers lead Game three,

1964
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 6: the final game of that series six' to, One guardians

1965
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:39,480
Speaker 6: coming to the plate in the bottom of the. Eighth

1966
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 6: winner of that game will take on The Seattle mariners

1967
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 6: in The Alds padres And cubs playing right now At Wrigley,

1968
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 6: field bottom.

1969
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 5: Two The cubs.

1970
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:51,599
Speaker 6: Lead The cubs do not lead the game of, scoreless

1971
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 6: but The cubs have guys on second and.

1972
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 5: Third nobody.

1973
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 6: Out winner of that series advances to Play milwaukee and The.

1974
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 6: Yankees And Red sox played tonight In New. York first

1975
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 6: pitch at eight. Pm, obviously the winner of that series,

1976
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 6: advances and we'll take on The Toronto Blue.

1977
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,679
Speaker 5: Jays there you, go, uh you AND i the rest

1978
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 5: of the. Way, wow we have full. Lines.

1979
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 6: Unbelievable try to get, everybody everybody we can. In, bob go,

1980
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 6: ahead thanks for hanging.

1981
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 5: On what's?

1982
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 12: Up?

1983
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 3: Hey, well how you?

1984
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:22,839
Speaker 5: Doing i'm. Wonderful how about? Yourself?

1985
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 20: Well actually. GOOD i just kind of out of the

1986
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 20: hospital day or so, ago But i'm.

1987
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 5: Doing what's going?

1988
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 11: On?

1989
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 5: Man is everything? Okay?

1990
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 11: Yeah everything's.

1991
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 20: GOOD i had a low blood sugar. Thing i've had

1992
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 20: diabetes for fifty, years but gotcha one smart enough to

1993
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 20: catch on with. It but, no everything's good. Man, Hey first,

1994
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:45,719
Speaker 20: off tomorrow, NIGHT i Got Eric church Buddy.

1995
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 5: Refereena, Yeah i'm. JEALOUS i WISH i was.

1996
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 20: Going well we we'd love to see you, there BUT

1997
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 20: i wish well listen to him.

1998
01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 2: INSTEAD i.

1999
01:40:58,400 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 5: UNDERSTAND i.

2000
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 6: WISH i WISH i was my original plan when that

2001
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 6: show was. ANNOUNCEMENT i would be there tomorrow, night but

2002
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 6: other obligations have pulled me in that.

2003
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 20: DIRECTION i got, you, hey you guys were talking About

2004
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 20: Kurt flood a few minutes, ago and of, course being

2005
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 20: a former, CARDINAL i have some fond memories Of Kurt.

2006
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 20: Flood but the guy who really needs to be in

2007
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 20: The hall Of FAME mo is a guy who's still talked,

2008
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 20: about probably more than any ballplayer on a regular basis than.

2009
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 20: Anyone and his name Is Tommy. John For Tommy John

2010
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 20: surgery won two and eighty eight games in his. Career

2011
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 20: mode to eighty, eight.

2012
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:45,680
Speaker 5: You will have no argument for.

2013
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 20: Me for just the surgery, ALONE i mean the you,

2014
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 20: know the guts to have that thing done and all that.

2015
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 5: Stuff i'm, like my, god how was that guy not

2016
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 5: in pitch twenty six?

2017
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 6: Seasons Tommy john aded dramatically in the mid seventies By

2018
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:09,679
Speaker 6: Tommy John surgery pitched until he was forty six years

2019
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 6: old and pitched. Effectively he was An All. Star he's

2020
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:17,800
Speaker 6: a guy who never gave up home. RUNS I i

2021
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 6: should probably well know don't care too much about pitcher

2022
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 6: wins and, losses but he does have two hundred and

2023
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,759
Speaker 6: eighty eight. Wins as you, MENTIONED i would have us

2024
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:27,759
Speaker 6: it meant.

2025
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 11: A whole lot more back in those days.

2026
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,559
Speaker 5: Too there's pitchers pitch deeper into.

2027
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 20: Games, Absolutely Bob gibson has more complete games than he has.

2028
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 11: Losses, Yes.

2029
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 20: But you know, what you guys were talking about one other,

2030
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 20: thing and it made me think about the year That

2031
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:51,879
Speaker 20: Trent green went down with the injury for The rams

2032
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 20: and they brought up this guy Named Kurt warner who

2033
01:42:56,720 --> 01:43:01,839
Speaker 20: turned out to be pretty. Good it was, okay, yes, yeah,

2034
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 20: Yeah AND i you, KNOW i know that's one of

2035
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 20: those rare things that happened that that you, know, nobody

2036
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 20: nobody ever sees.

2037
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 6: Coming but my, favorite my favorite Non bengals team of

2038
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 6: all time was the greatest show on. TURF i love that. Era,

2039
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 6: YEAH i love that. Era you, know they played The.

2040
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 6: Bengals in, fact it was tomorrow's twenty six years ago.

2041
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 6: Tomorrow they played a game At Riverfront stadium early in the.

2042
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 6: Season Kurt warner kind of an unknown AND i Remember

2043
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 6: Aza keem jumping over. DUDES i Remember Isaac bruce AND

2044
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:38,719
Speaker 6: i remember going like this is this is a brand

2045
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 6: of Football i've never seen. Before and that stretch which

2046
01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 6: was fleeting. Right it was basically three, years you, know

2047
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:47,360
Speaker 6: played one to One Super, bowl lost the First Brady

2048
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:48,960
Speaker 6: Super bowl to The patriots at the end of The

2049
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 6: all one. Season that is my favorite Non bengals team

2050
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 6: of all. Time like, that that era of football with

2051
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 6: the greatest show on turf In Saint louis was just

2052
01:43:57,880 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 6: unlike ANYTHING i had ever.

2053
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 11: Seen amo, here, listen listen to this. Story.

2054
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 20: Man this is the first year THAT i worked for The. Titans,

2055
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 20: okay nineteen ninety. Nine, yeah and the fourth or fifth

2056
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 20: game of the year we played The rams In nashville

2057
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 20: and The titans, Won and of course that year the

2058
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 20: two met in The Super. Bowl and HERE i, am

2059
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:27,720
Speaker 20: my first of ten years with The, titans And i'm

2060
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 20: rooting for The.

2061
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:31,120
Speaker 5: Rams you were you were rooting against the?

2062
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 11: Team you, were absolutely, Yeah but you, KNOW i mean.

2063
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 5: Did your coworkers know?

2064
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 13: That?

2065
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 16: Uh, well you know.

2066
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 20: WHAT i only worked really with THE pa, Guy, okay

2067
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 20: so he knew. It but you, know beyond, HIM i,

2068
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:50,519
Speaker 20: mean there weren't there weren't here in the course of the.

2069
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:52,439
Speaker 20: Game you talk to a few folks here and, there

2070
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:55,599
Speaker 20: and you, know people you'd meet before and, afterwards but.

2071
01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 11: You, know beyond, That, no not, really.

2072
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 20: But BUT i, UH i always thought that that was

2073
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 20: one of the funnier things that HERE i am working

2074
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 20: for these guys and rooting for those other.

2075
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 6: GUYS i WOULD i would imagine that in the in THE,

2076
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 6: uh in the in the, profession in the industry of pro,

2077
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 6: sports that happens on a somewhat regular. BASIS, BOM i gonna, run,

2078
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:25,120
Speaker 6: man thanks so. Much all, right, well, thanks all, right

2079
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 6: have a have a great, day have a great. Weekend, Uh,

2080
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 6: josh go, ahead you're ON espn fifteen. Thirty, Hi, josh.

2081
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 18: It's good to talk to.

2082
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 5: YOU i, Worry i'm wonderful. YOURSELF i can't.

2083
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 17: Complain i'll say seven out of, Ten, okay not?

2084
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 5: Bad they not.

2085
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 11: Bad.

2086
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:45,719
Speaker 3: Yeah the couple of things.

2087
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 21: Here the uh the guy that called, earlier he was

2088
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 21: making some really good points about the.

2089
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:50,479
Speaker 13: Salary.

2090
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:54,200
Speaker 21: CAT i tend to side with you and THAT i

2091
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 21: don't think that's the. ANSWER a couple of THINGS i

2092
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 21: would do to try to make, it, HONESTLY i would

2093
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 21: institute a salary floor like THE nfl. Has that, way

2094
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 21: you don't get teams like The marlin spending sixty seven

2095
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 21: million on their roster and Then dodgers spending you know,

2096
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:13,719
Speaker 21: whatever they spent upwards of three hundred.

2097
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 17: Million there needs to be a.

2098
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 21: Floor it can be. Done you can win in a small.

2099
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:24,639
Speaker 21: Market The Kansas City royals did it ten years. Ago

2100
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 21: you have to, draft you have to, Develop you have

2101
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 21: to have an ownership group that cares about, winning which

2102
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:33,640
Speaker 21: in The red, CASE i don't think they, do considering

2103
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:36,599
Speaker 21: the ownership of the team looked you in the face

2104
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:38,160
Speaker 21: a few years ago and said they weren't.

2105
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:39,200
Speaker 18: Interested so.

2106
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 3: But it can be.

2107
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 21: DONE i don't think the cap is the big issue.

2108
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 21: Here LIKE i, SAID i would institute a salary floor

2109
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:49,680
Speaker 21: and correct.

2110
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 5: Me If i'm.

2111
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:53,600
Speaker 21: Wrong don't the individual teams in baseball have to negotiate

2112
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 21: their own media, Deals.

2113
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,720
Speaker 5: Yes Which Rob manford to a large degree is trying to.

2114
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 6: Change And i'm not sure that's a bad, thing but,

2115
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 6: yes Major League, baseball that.

2116
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:03,720
Speaker 17: Needs to be.

2117
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:06,519
Speaker 21: Changed, yeah because you need you need to be able

2118
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:08,719
Speaker 21: to get one big deal and then split the loop.

2119
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:11,840
Speaker 21: Evenly because The reds in The valley situation that that

2120
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:12,439
Speaker 21: has hampered.

2121
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 6: Us uh, sure, YEAH i, mean when when you've had

2122
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 6: and the regional sports network model has had better, days

2123
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:23,600
Speaker 6: we'll put it that. Way but when you have you,

2124
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 6: know the The yankees and The mets and and others

2125
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:31,160
Speaker 6: who can start their own television networks and and and

2126
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 6: collect all that, money all the revenue from owning those

2127
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 6: television networks are at least a part of.

2128
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:38,559
Speaker 5: It it does it widens the.

2129
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:40,960
Speaker 6: Gap it widens the gap that was already there between

2130
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:42,559
Speaker 6: a big market and small.

2131
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 21: MARKET i understand that's the bigger issue to me than the.

2132
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 21: Cap you, know things like that switching gears as part

2133
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 21: of The. BENGALS i know J morrison just kind of

2134
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 21: hit on. It i'm truly afraid that ownership is going

2135
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:59,160
Speaker 21: to give that more time under.

2136
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 3: The guise of, well got injured.

2137
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:08,720
Speaker 6: FEELING i think that fear is uh is. LEGITIMATE i

2138
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:11,719
Speaker 6: Think Joe burrow getting injured and not being available Cuts

2139
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:14,880
Speaker 6: Zach taylor some. Slack it does not give him a,

2140
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:15,680
Speaker 6: pass at least for.

2141
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:16,559
Speaker 2: Me you, know.

2142
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 6: You you could acknowledge that you don't have the quarterback you.

2143
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 6: Want that limits your ability to, win but that doesn't

2144
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,720
Speaker 6: excuse you for having your team unprepared and what or

2145
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:31,760
Speaker 6: not having solutions to problems that other teams or that

2146
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:35,720
Speaker 6: your your team itself. Presents H and, so like WHAT

2147
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 6: i watched On monday, Night Tony pike has done a

2148
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:43,519
Speaker 6: marvelous job of pointing out Where Jake browning's deficiencies cost the.

2149
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 6: Team he has to play, better and it is completely

2150
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,879
Speaker 6: fair to wonder would they be better with almost anybody,

2151
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 6: else but remove that from.

2152
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:53,759
Speaker 5: It that team On monday night looked.

2153
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 6: UNPREPARED i think the worst thing you could say about

2154
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,520
Speaker 6: an athlete is that he or she quit in, Competition

2155
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 6: AND i think the worst thing you could say about

2156
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:03,680
Speaker 6: a coach is that his or her team is. Unprepared

2157
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 6: WHAT i saw On monday was a horrible reflection Of Zach,

2158
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Speaker 6: taylor AND.

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Speaker 21: I think they've given up on the. MAN i, Mean

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Speaker 21: Jamar chase said it himself in the post. GAME i,

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01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:15,760
Speaker 21: mean you don't make comments like. That IF i think

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01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:17,599
Speaker 21: he's lost the locker. ROOM i Think.

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Speaker 11: James.

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Speaker 21: RIGHT i, MEAN i don't think they're going to fire

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Speaker 21: a mid, season although there's plenty of owners of. WOULD

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01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 21: i just feel like he's going to get a. Pass

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01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:33,000
Speaker 21: it sure looks more and more game and game. Like

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01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 21: burrow is fighting a lot of coaching. Deficiencies it's becoming very.

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01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 6: Apparent, yeah coaching, deficiencies roster, deficiencies front office, deficiencies AND

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Speaker 6: i just what they're doing is not. Sustainable it may

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01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:51,280
Speaker 6: work in a given, week it may work for a.

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01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 6: Month it may work for an entire, season although it

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01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:57,599
Speaker 6: didn't last. Year what they're doing putting everything on, him

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01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 6: which means he's got to stay. Healthy this is it's not. Sustainable,

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Speaker 6: josh thanks very.

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Speaker 9: Much.

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Speaker 13: Thank.

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01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:05,960
Speaker 21: You you.

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01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 6: Know there was a night twenty, TWENTY i think BEFORE

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01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:13,839
Speaker 6: i accidentally MISTAKENLY i, SAID i guess said twenty, nineteen twenty,

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01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 6: Twenty Joe burrows rookie.

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01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:15,719
Speaker 5: Year he got hurt.

2183
01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 6: And income The Pittsburgh steelers For Monday night football on

2184
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,480
Speaker 6: an evening where we thought they were gonna get. Destroyed

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01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,400
Speaker 6: The bengals came into that game with a record of

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01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 6: two ten and one.

2187
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 5: And The steelers had a.

2188
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 6: Record they were not entirely in free, fall but they

2189
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 6: were starting to show. Cracks but that was a team

2190
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 6: at that season at one point was eleven or. Zero

2191
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:45,960
Speaker 6: they lost a couple of games in a. Row then

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01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:48,479
Speaker 6: they came To cincinnati to take On Ryan finley and The.

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01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 6: Bengals The bengals won that. Night Ryan finley wasn't great

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01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:59,639
Speaker 6: by any remote stretch of the. Imagination he completed seven

2195
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 6: pass but The bengals won the game twenty seven to.

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01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 6: Seventeen AND i remember that night Thinking bengals might have their.

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01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:15,519
Speaker 6: Coach they were two and fourteen the year. Before they

2198
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:18,280
Speaker 6: were not very good that. Season they weren't great Before

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01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,160
Speaker 6: joe got injured at the end Of. November BUT i

2200
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:23,439
Speaker 6: remember that game that night thinking they have a coach

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01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:28,439
Speaker 6: who figured out away with nothing really to play, for

2202
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:32,920
Speaker 6: with the franchise still reeling from the aftermath Of joe

2203
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:37,719
Speaker 6: suffering an injury that ended his rookie season against a better,

2204
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:42,200
Speaker 6: team hall of fame coach on the other, sideline washed

2205
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:45,120
Speaker 6: up but hall of fame quarterback on the other, team

2206
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 6: and they he figured out a way to piece together

2207
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:55,880
Speaker 6: a game plan that had the team ready to play that.

2208
01:51:56,040 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 6: Night what they did On monday was the antithesis of,

2209
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:08,519
Speaker 6: that having a team handicap by not having their starting,

2210
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:12,960
Speaker 6: quarterback having a team handicap by a roster that just

2211
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:14,880
Speaker 6: doesn't have a lot of very good.

2212
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,720
Speaker 5: Players there just aren't a ton of.

2213
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:24,839
Speaker 6: Them but a head coach who before has found ways

2214
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 6: to piece together enough of a plan and get his

2215
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,320
Speaker 6: team just prepared enough to go and compete could not

2216
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:39,599
Speaker 6: do it On. Monday and so when that happened in twenty,

2217
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 6: TWENTY i thought like they got their. Guy seeing the

2218
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,760
Speaker 6: exact opposite makes me think they no longer have their.

2219
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 6: Guy so that's Why Zach taylor's in my. Crossairs, yes

2220
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:54,960
Speaker 6: cut him some slack for not Having Joe. Burrow you

2221
01:52:55,080 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 6: get no slack for not having your team. Prepared, actually

2222
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:02,240
Speaker 6: When i've seen you do it, Before i've seen you

2223
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:03,720
Speaker 6: do it with. Less by the, way they won the

2224
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:07,519
Speaker 6: next week with a different. Quarterback in twenty, TWENTY i

2225
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:11,040
Speaker 6: remember thinking that year like that's pretty damn good, coaching,

2226
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:13,840
Speaker 6: Man like that's this team has zilch to play.

2227
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:15,800
Speaker 5: For neither of these guys are very good.

2228
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 6: Quarterbacks Ryan finley, NEVER i don't think he ever threw

2229
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:20,560
Speaker 6: a pass in ANOTHER nfl. Game i'm not sure he

2230
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:24,320
Speaker 6: ever appeared in AN nfl game after. That WHAT i

2231
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 6: saw On monday night was the exact. Opposite WHAT i

2232
01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 6: saw In monday night was a coach that just threw

2233
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 6: up his hands and had no. Answers now there's that

2234
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 6: part of. It there's also the part where you look

2235
01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:36,280
Speaker 6: at this roster is currently. Constructed they will take a

2236
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:38,800
Speaker 6: ton of heat For, hey look you Paid jamar and.

2237
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:42,240
Speaker 6: T one of my reasons for Paying tea was who

2238
01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:42,920
Speaker 6: else you're gonna?

2239
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 5: Pay?

2240
01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 6: Who else you're gonna give the money. To who else

2241
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 6: are you stashing money aside to keep long? Term look

2242
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 6: at this roster right. Now you might think they've misappropriated

2243
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:54,600
Speaker 6: money for T. Higgins you may think they're silly for

2244
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 6: paying two wide. Receivers there's fair things to be said about.

2245
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:00,720
Speaker 6: That look at this team right. Now who else are

2246
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 6: you putting aside money to? Keep look at the last

2247
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 6: three draft?

2248
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 5: Classes?

2249
01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 6: Huh you got a dude In Jermaine burton who never.

2250
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:10,439
Speaker 6: Plays third round pick from last. Year get a guy McKinley,

2251
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:13,680
Speaker 6: jackson fourth round pick last, year never plays in a

2252
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 6: whole slew of draft classes that have yielded next to.

2253
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 6: Nothing so this ain't just About Zach. Taylor it certainly

2254
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 6: ain't just about not Having Joe. Burrow it is also

2255
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:26,880
Speaker 6: about a roster that has all sorts of. Issues AND

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01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:29,960
Speaker 6: i think the really frustrating thing is we knew what

2257
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,880
Speaker 6: some of those issues would be because we saw the

2258
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:36,840
Speaker 6: same players create the same issues last, year and those

2259
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 6: players are back this. Year so, yeah, Man, zach, dude

2260
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:44,080
Speaker 6: you gotta have your team ready to.

2261
01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:47,360
Speaker 5: Go you've done it before with. Less you didn't On. Monday.

2262
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:50,640
Speaker 5: NOW i wonder If you're the, Guy Duke.

2263
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 6: Tobyn you created, This you put this team. Together you

2264
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 6: have a team full of guys That i'm not sure

2265
01:54:58,240 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 6: have any foundational. Pieces i'm supposed to trust you to

2266
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 6: get this fixed this coming off season with The Joe

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01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:13,480
Speaker 6: burrow Clock ticken Oh, man gotta, Go we're Back Monday

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01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:17,280
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01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,360
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