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Speaker 2: If you want to interact with us.

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Speaker 1: I will get into a defensive conversation with Nick here

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Speaker 3: Are you sure positive?

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Speaker 1: Coming from that side, I say a lot of nice

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Speaker 1: I don't come up with nicknames, but I feel like

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Speaker 4: Did you have a nickname in high school?

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Speaker 1: Answers here, because trading wreck is not usually a compliment

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Speaker 3: You know how you athletes are.

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Speaker 3: Baby, there you go. How do you buy a ticket?

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Speaker 3: Now, there's so many.

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Speaker 2: Right, So the challenges I faced as.

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Speaker 4: Though allow me to allow me to go to sleep,

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Speaker 3: Is well taken care of. Sure, it's not like Joe

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Speaker 4: No, he's still trying to work as the college athlete,

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Speaker 3: Oh we expected him to do that.

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Speaker 4: But if you have someone standing up in college trying

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Speaker 1: Well, it just sounds like more sympathetic is what you're

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Speaker 3: Lives can be lost.

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Speaker 4: But this is a problem where people look at others

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Speaker 3: You know why.

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Speaker 1: Because I played, Because you played, always comes back to,

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Speaker 4: You did that for.

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Speaker 4: All I tell you, once you buy a ticket, all

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Speaker 4: I ask is that you don't put on helmets and

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Speaker 2: Happens even just walking around the streets.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I may catch a flashback, right coops, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: I'm just being real with.

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Speaker 1: You, real, yes, yeah, Well you've heard of when keeping

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Speaker 4: Remember what I said, I said, not just not just

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Speaker 3: What did you expect me to do? It was a

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Speaker 4: Someone blew a whistle and I thought it was a

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Speaker 4: There you go the defense, red defense, rest and you're like,

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Speaker 3: Say, well, he's restricted, restricted.

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Speaker 1: was phenomenal. The conversation comes down to Jodey Baron, right.

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Speaker 1: There is the first round pick. Like we were talking

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Speaker 1: Unless you're gonna play dime as your bass, you can,

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Speaker 1: That's not the same. It's two different conversations. And by

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Speaker 2: Well that's more of Ben all Bright.

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Speaker 1: There's something to be said about being plugged in to

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 4: It goes back to Homero, that OC or that DC

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Speaker 3: Moving removing him from your roster.

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Speaker 4: That's the one thing that I really envied about the

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Speaker 3: But when you look at what.

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Speaker 4: The Broncos is going to be facement and I love

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Speaker 4: and match. But here's the way you handled it. It's

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Speaker 1: If you're asking my opinion, that would be the spot.

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Speaker 1: Like I would, I would open up competition there. And

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Speaker 1: good season. I think it got better as the season

448
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Speaker 1: went on.

449
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Speaker 4: On.

450
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Speaker 1: He once he put the boxing gloves on and practice,

451
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Speaker 1: he stopped holding as much. It seems like that, those

452
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Speaker 1: numbers started to curtail finally a little.

453
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Speaker 3: Bit, but really quickly. There's more you can do to

454
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Speaker 3: kind of assist with that.

455
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Speaker 4: And notice I didn't say break him out of the habit,

456
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Speaker 4: but it's other things that you can assist. Certainly, I'm

457
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Speaker 4: willing to give that information if you willing to pay.

458
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Speaker 1: Me, okay, But my foot is is he's going into

459
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Speaker 1: the final year of his rookie contract. Yes, And because

460
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Speaker 1: of that, I've got to know what I have in

461
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Speaker 1: John Ay Barron in a decision that needs to be

462
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Speaker 1: made about Riley Moss and you a trade him Chriss Abrams.

463
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Speaker 1: Rain's another conversation, right, And I think he's a very

464
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Speaker 1: good player, but he hasn't earned opportunities beyond what he's

465
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Speaker 1: done to be a starter in this league. He's rotational guy.

466
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Speaker 1: He's a good special teams player. I've been a big

467
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Speaker 1: fan of his, so whenever he's gotten opportunities, he's always shined.

468
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Speaker 1: But he hasn't been able to string anything together long term.

469
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Speaker 1: But that's partly because it's a very deep room. And

470
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Speaker 1: that's a good thing. It's a very good thing.

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Speaker 3: That's a great know how difficult it is.

472
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Speaker 4: Because people always say, oh, yeah, you know, you go

473
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Speaker 4: find a good corner. They fall up turn up trucks.

474
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Speaker 4: But damn Trump turn up truck that you talk about.

475
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Speaker 2: Right, People say that I wonder where that.

476
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Speaker 3: I don't know where it came comes from.

477
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Speaker 4: Just a bunch of town foolery if you if you

478
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Speaker 4: ask him. But the whole idea is that this gives

479
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Speaker 4: the Broncos options. And they said, well, Chris Abrams Drain

480
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Speaker 4: is a young player, like you said, it hasn't really

481
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Speaker 4: played a whole hell of a lot. But when he

482
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Speaker 4: has played, he's shown some signs that he's reliable. And

483
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Speaker 4: that's what it comes back to. A coach has to

484
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Speaker 4: feel as though I can count on you to go

485
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Speaker 4: out there and do your job and you're not a liability.

486
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Speaker 4: When you become a liability, that that's the problem with

487
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Speaker 4: Riley coming up on some contracts. This is football business.

488
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Speaker 4: We got to think about it in this way. If

489
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Speaker 4: if you lost Roley Moss, could you survive with Johnny

490
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Speaker 4: Baron as the starting corner opposite PS two and then

491
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Speaker 4: Chris Abrams Drains backing him up.

492
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Speaker 3: That would be the conversation.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be one that they're gonna

494
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Speaker 1: have coming up this year because John ey Burn doesn't

495
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Speaker 1: need to play. He needs to play more. I don't

496
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Speaker 1: know if he needs to be a starter. I think

497
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Speaker 1: a lot of people think he needs to be a starter.

498
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Speaker 3: I would.

499
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Speaker 1: I would want to see how that plays out, and

500
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Speaker 1: we'll get into a draft grades.

501
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Speaker 2: NFL dot Com did some draft grades.

502
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Speaker 1: I think it's I want to get I don't want

503
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Speaker 1: to get too far away from this topic, but I

504
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Speaker 1: always think it's an interesting thing that when people start

505
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Speaker 1: to like decide when a draft is a good draft

506
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Speaker 1: and a bad draft for one year.

507
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Speaker 4: You can't really tell because in the first two years

508
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Speaker 4: you don't know. Yeah, you can only tell going into

509
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Speaker 4: that third year because now that guy has more experience.

510
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Speaker 4: He experienced in the office and that defense. He knows

511
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Speaker 4: the terminology, he knows the adjustments. That's the only time

512
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Speaker 4: that we can tell. Ye think about JAYL Skinner where

513
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Speaker 4: he is right now, he's up in the air.

514
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Speaker 3: You don't I don't know what he is.

515
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Speaker 4: I know he's a solid special teams player, very good. Yes,

516
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Speaker 4: what I can tell you how I work in the

517
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Speaker 4: realm of coaching solid special teams player. But can I

518
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Speaker 4: count on him in live situation.

519
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Speaker 3: You don't know that yet.

520
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Speaker 2: We don't know that yet.

521
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Speaker 1: So coming back to this percentage of twenty twenty five

522
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Speaker 1: defensive snaps still under contract for twenty twenty six, I've

523
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Speaker 1: actually thought this number might be a little bit low,

524
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Speaker 1: but it's actually on the high side, okay, because and

525
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Speaker 1: the reason I thought it would be low is because

526
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Speaker 1: you're going to be losing two inside linebackers. They've played

527
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Speaker 1: a lot of snaps for you, and I don't know

528
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Speaker 1: if they have aspirations of bringing back Alex Singleton or

529
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Speaker 1: Justine sirnad, but a list for the moment for this exercise,

530
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Speaker 1: say they are not going to and Drey Greenlaw, by

531
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Speaker 1: the way, Davis talked about maybe not be back as well,

532
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Speaker 1: so you might be resetting entirely. They're an inside linebacker.

533
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Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a second. But the sixth

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Speaker 1: most percentage of returning defensive snaps green Bay's one, Arizona's two,

535
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Speaker 1: Minnesota three, San Francisco's four Giants, and then the Broncos.

536
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Speaker 1: And I think about it in terms of the optimism

537
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Speaker 1: to sort of keep the train rolling here and you

538
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Speaker 1: to appreciate that analogy since that's you know, your nickname.

539
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Speaker 1: But to keep the train rolling here you got Vance

540
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Speaker 1: Joseph coming back in the fold.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you've got the.

542
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Speaker 1: Sixth most as far as percentage of defensive snapped players

543
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Speaker 1: that are coming back. I mean, tell me why this

544
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Speaker 1: defense can't pick back up right where they left off.

545
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Speaker 3: They can't. They can't pick up whether he left off.

546
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Speaker 4: But it's not it's once you hit the reset button,

547
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Speaker 4: you have to change your mentality because you've already shown

548
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Speaker 4: what you could do two years in a row. Now,

549
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 4: whereas can you take not even much even bigger step?

550
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Speaker 4: They did that because at first they broke the record,

551
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Speaker 4: what was it, sixty three sacks and then they went

552
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Speaker 4: on to seventy three. So now you think, okay, well

553
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Speaker 4: you're capable of doing so much more and known as

554
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Speaker 4: though you got John the Cooper nick Bonito, Jonah Ellis H.

555
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Speaker 4: Robinson who showed you know that six four frame what

556
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Speaker 4: he can do athletically. Now you say, okay, well, what

557
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Speaker 4: does the Broncos look like from a linebacker standpoint? You

558
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 4: talked about Drake Greenlaw, you got Alex Ingington, Justice Cernard

559
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Speaker 4: like Justice Ernar wants to be viewed and I feel

560
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Speaker 4: as though he has earned the right to be viewed

561
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Speaker 4: as a starting linebacker because when he has started, he

562
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Speaker 4: has made plays rights coming stepping in for a green

563
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Speaker 4: Law and and Alex Singleton.

564
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Speaker 3: So how does that work out?

565
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Speaker 4: And if you and I'll ask you right now, based

566
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Speaker 4: on what we saw last season and we started to

567
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Speaker 4: look forward, you got Justice. You're not Alex Singleton, Dre Greenlaw.

568
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Speaker 4: You can only sign to who you signing. You can

569
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Speaker 4: only sign too.

570
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so tough because Drake Greenlaw's health has been tough.

571
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Speaker 3: That's easy.

572
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Speaker 1: So I guess you probably say Alex Singleton and.

573
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Speaker 3: Justice or not.

574
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Speaker 1: There you go see see well, but I think the

575
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Speaker 1: upside of what green Law could be represents better than

576
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Speaker 1: both of them.

577
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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, ceee. I don't want to live in

578
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Speaker 4: the realm of what he can be.

579
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Speaker 3: See.

580
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Speaker 4: This is where talent evaluates get themselves in trouble, right

581
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Speaker 4: as far as what a guy can be.

582
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Speaker 3: What are you seeing?

583
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Speaker 4: Right? What?

584
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Speaker 3: What?

585
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Speaker 2: What?

586
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Speaker 3: What? What have your eyes shown you? Right?

587
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: And you try to project what that guy's going to

588
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: look like in the future. But in this case, we're

589
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 4: talking about three veteran linebackers. If we're talking about college linebackers,

590
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: maybe there's a little wigger room for the evaluation and

591
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 4: projection veteran linebackers.

592
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 3: Nope, we know what we know. Okay, we know we know.

593
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Speaker 1: But there was a reason why we were so excited

594
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Speaker 1: about that signing, and because because.

595
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Speaker 3: Trey Greenlaw when healthy, that's the caveat. He's a dog

596
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Speaker 3: and that's the saying.

597
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 4: You're going to say that about every single player, and

598
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 4: that's what said in these meetings. When healthy, here's what

599
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 4: he can do. Okay, well, how much can we depend

600
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Speaker 4: on him being healthy for seventeen game season? And that's

601
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Speaker 4: where the Rob meets to Bro. You can't rap guys,

602
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Speaker 4: and Bubba rat, we don't know's I'm addictable.

603
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a more pointed we'll leave greenlawn

604
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Speaker 1: of it. Would you keep Justine Sernad or Alex Singleton?

605
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Speaker 4: I gotta choose between the two, Yeah, Sanad, Yeah, I

606
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 4: thought so. And once again, Broncos Country, it is no

607
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 4: disrespect towards Alex Shingleton. I think Alex Singleton is a doll, right,

608
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 4: But the question was which one would I keep?

609
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: And everything that has been.

610
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 4: Asked of Justine Sherannad, he has done. But I love

611
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: both guys because they have great stories that are quite

612
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 4: similar to that on my own. So I know what

613
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 4: it's like to be in that situation. I know what

614
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 4: it's like to have people to value you. Because Alex

615
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 4: came from the CFL where I came from, and he's

616
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 4: made a hell of a life for himself playing his game,

617
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 4: and I think he is one hell of a player.

618
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: But if I have to choose, I'm gonna.

619
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Speaker 4: Choose Justine Scherannad because Scheranad has taken that step forward

620
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 4: and that's what you look for when you are evaluating

621
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Speaker 4: anyone on any level. Well, how did he come in,

622
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 4: What has he done while he's been here and where

623
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 4: what kind of example is as he's shown that he's

624
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 4: capable of taking his game to the next level.

625
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: He has done that. I mean, I go back to

626
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 3: that Giants game.

627
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 4: If he does not step in the window and vance

628
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: Joseph call simulated pressure, he dropped out.

629
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: If Justice Treanna does.

630
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: Not get that interception of Jackson Dart in the fourth quarter,

631
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 4: that game is entirely different.

632
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: And now and what.

633
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 4: We're talking about, what I'm talking about, that's an impact play,

634
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 4: that's a game changer and those are the type of

635
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 4: players you want on your team.

636
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: And this, by the way, is a very good inside

637
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: off the ball linebacker draft, like this is one of

638
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: coming edge group is really good. I think the D

639
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: line group is good off the ball inside linebackers very deep,

640
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: so very deep. There are only four or five guys

641
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: going in the first round.

642
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: It's a rare year.

643
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: If you need an inside linebacker, this is the year

644
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: to do it. So I wonder how much that's going

645
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: to factor in for the Broncos when it comes to

646
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: their approach to the defense.

647
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 4: It all depends, Ryan, It all depends because this is

648
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: why the draft is after free agency, that's right, right,

649
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: so you can kind of shore up your your your

650
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 4: defense or your office by adding depth. So I'm thinking

651
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: with the Broncos selecting at what thirty thirty and I

652
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 4: if they wanted to, they can move back, right, That's

653
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: what I would do.

654
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: I'll move back.

655
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: But if there is and there some good linebackers here,

656
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Speaker 4: if one of the top linebackers are still there on

657
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: the board, you take.

658
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: Them, right. But you go out in free agency and.

659
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 4: You get yourself another backer because.

660
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: You almost have to.

661
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: Here's what I learned being around Bill Parcells. Right, it's

662
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 4: all about the art of competition. Right, just because you've

663
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: made it to the playoffs, you were number one seed,

664
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 4: you don't rest on your loans. You didn't win the

665
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. Only one team more stuff at Lombardi Trophy.

666
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of work to be made. So

667
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: we're gonna go out. We're gonna make sure every single

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Speaker 4: position is freaking competitive and may the best went man win.

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Speaker 2: Well, I completely agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I also subscribe to the idea you never want to

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Speaker 1: be desperate, you know, wanna be desperate in the draft, Like,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to draft unless it's a quarterback, right

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Speaker 1: you like you have a massive neither that could be

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Speaker 1: a reach and oftentimes is right. But let's just say

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Speaker 1: you need a running back, like probably not probably, they

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Speaker 1: will need to look at the running back.

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Speaker 2: You need to look at the running back.

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Speaker 1: So you will definitely sign somebody in free agency. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna make a move there because JK. Dobbins is a

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Speaker 1: free agent and certainly your your room is not good

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Speaker 1: enough right now, so you're gonna make a move there

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Speaker 1: in free agency, whether it's a big splash like Breis Hall,

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Speaker 1: or Kenneth Walker, or you're gonna maybe go back to

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Speaker 1: the well with JK.

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Speaker 2: Dobbins, so on and.

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Speaker 1: So forth, like those are those are things you're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: And then you hit the draft and you're gonna give yourself.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're gonna draft another guy. But the point of

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Speaker 1: it is you don't want to enter the first round

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Speaker 1: of the draft and say, well, we have to come

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Speaker 1: away with this position by the end of this thing, right,

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Speaker 1: So that's why, to your point, why free agency happens

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Speaker 1: when it does. But anyways, come back to this thing,

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Speaker 1: having the defensive coordinator, having the amount of players returning,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we're getting.

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Speaker 2: Into a conversation with Adam.

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Speaker 1: Adam Schefter had this interesting sound because he was talking

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Speaker 1: about how teams are looking for agency in the drafts

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Speaker 1: and just not seeing a lot of blue chip opportunities

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Speaker 1: for players, and he's thinking there's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 1: more trades coming up this offseason, so things kind of

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Speaker 1: an interesting deal. And then he's he's just hearing well

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Speaker 1: and I have an AJ Brown conversation want to get

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Speaker 1: into maybe, but more of it is is like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: how do you use your assets?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: The Broncos of nine draft picks.

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Speaker 1: The Broncos have signed a lot of their core players

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Speaker 1: back that they only have a few spots that they

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Speaker 1: really need a position player at right, whether it's inside linebacker,

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Speaker 1: probably upgrade, the tight end room certainly, running back, maybe

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Those are all the positions that we

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Speaker 1: just say blanket. These are things that you probably look at,

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Speaker 1: but everything else is more sewn up than anything. But

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Speaker 1: I like the idea of the defense maintaining its level

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Speaker 1: of play. Now, sometimes it is difficult from season in

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Speaker 1: and season out to have high level defensive play.

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Speaker 2: Why is it that some teams are able to do that?

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Speaker 1: Why are some teams, in your opinion, able to have

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Speaker 1: continuity on the defensive side of the ball and maintain

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Speaker 1: high level of play because they.

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Speaker 4: Have a built in culture as far as what they

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Speaker 4: want to do, and that starts with keeping your core

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Speaker 4: coaches intact. That's why retaining Vance Joseph was viable.

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Speaker 3: It was so.

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Speaker 4: Important because when we look at what happened with the

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Speaker 4: team this season, the defense was a huge part of it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we just saw two defensive minded coaches in

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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. We saw thirty eight year old Mike

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Speaker 4: McDonald and on his second year win the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 4: not asking Sam Donald to do too much, just don't

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Speaker 4: turn the ball over, and that dark side defense just

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Speaker 4: went him. So the idea is that we're not trying

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Speaker 4: to reinvent the will. This is not Chinese arithmetic. We

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Speaker 4: know what this is. It's a cliche saying, but defense

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Speaker 4: wins championship. Like I said early on, So what you

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Speaker 4: want to do, you want to build from the trench's

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Speaker 4: own back. And when you look at what the Broncos

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Speaker 4: sit right now, they're pretty decent.

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Speaker 3: Is still on the contract now.

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Speaker 4: The only thing with John Franklin Myers, I would look

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Speaker 4: that dude played well enough and he should be here.

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Speaker 4: But now you look on your second level, you have

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Speaker 4: linebacker issues. What are you doing with the PJ Lock,

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Speaker 4: JL Skinner Jodge? Yes, right, Devin Keys. I like him

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Speaker 4: as a backup guy. He can play special teams as well,

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Speaker 4: but you need to find another guy. So what the

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Speaker 4: Broncos should do with their draft position and a boatload

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Speaker 4: of cash and the fact they went fourteen and three

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Speaker 4: number one seed, Now you've turned yourself into guess what

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Speaker 4: a free agent destination because bow Knicks is still on

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Speaker 4: a rookie freaking deal. So Ryan Edwards, you know what,

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Speaker 4: talk to your wife, Come on over here to the

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Speaker 4: Maaha City. We got some money we want to put

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Speaker 4: in your pocket. You want to be with the champion, Hey,

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Speaker 4: we got you. Now, you want to be with those

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Speaker 4: other teams? Hey listen, we understand or whatever. But like

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Speaker 4: the City Hawkins dance, you dance with the one that

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Speaker 4: brought you, right, that's what you do. So the Broncos

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Speaker 4: are in the driver's seat and all they need to

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Speaker 4: do is add around to make to build competition. And

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Speaker 4: here's what we know. Just because you made this ross

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Speaker 4: last year, it doesn't make it different now, doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: you're gonna make it this year. The only guy and

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Speaker 4: I'll ask you really quickly, and we talked about it.

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Speaker 3: On the other side.

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Speaker 4: When we look at the Broncos defense, are there any

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Speaker 4: guys that you say are untouchable?

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Speaker 3: Are untouchable? We don't.

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Speaker 2: We're not drafting them.

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Speaker 4: No no, no, meaning meaning we're not drafting a guy to

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Speaker 4: replace that guy because we already know he's a dude.

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Speaker 1: Well, the contracts will tell you that there's quite a

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Speaker 1: few that are are untouchable just because their money.

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Speaker 3: Which guy's on well.

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Speaker 1: Zach Allen, DJ Jones, I mean you just paid Malcolm

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Speaker 1: Roach to. I mean I guess technically like Malcolm Roach's

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Speaker 1: number could be you know, messed around with. But I'd

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Speaker 1: say based of the money there, uh teleanohu Funk is

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Speaker 1: going to be five passer ten. I mean, those guys

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Speaker 1: are gonna be fine. But everybody else ever else you

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Speaker 1: talk about the linebackers, well ed rushers, I mean Nick

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Speaker 1: be Bonito's where he's at.

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Speaker 2: He just got an extension.

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Speaker 1: John Cooper's probably going to stay where he's at too,

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Speaker 1: and you know, but but I'm looking forward to seeing

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Speaker 1: what some of those death guys do. It's a fun

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Speaker 1: conversation and we'll continue on the other side, Adam Scheffer

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Speaker 1: talking a little bit about how this offseason, how teams

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Speaker 1: are preparing for maybe a little bit of a lighter

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Speaker 1: view of free agency in the draft.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the next