1 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: Will you be going to Lambo by the way for 2 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: the showdown Vikings Bears. 3 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: That's a noon start. I think it's a noon kick. 4 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: If there's any you're looking at, you're sniffing around maybe 5 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: and keeping your options open. If someone's got a pair 6 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: for a single, Okay, I'll go do it. So you 7 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: would miss me for sermons? Right, you're right, which I'm 8 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: sure you're fine with noon noon start. Uh, maybe Girby's 9 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: got some extra tickets. He might be able to help 10 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: you with. I'm gonna guess I haven't checked the spread 11 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: on this game. I'm gonna guess early line here. What's 12 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: today Tuesday? I mean, look, I'm going to say the 13 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: Packers are favored by six. You're very close, six and 14 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: a half a half. Wow, it says it opened at 15 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: three and a half. 16 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: It did. 17 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: Now, I don't know if that's the beginning of the season. 18 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: Are you Are you gonna have anybody back? Because you've 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: got a lot of injuries. Is you're running back going 20 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: to be back? 21 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: Potentially but probably not? Probably not. 22 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: He's it's not a serious injury, but it's doubtful. I 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: would think he'd play this week. Right. They basically said, 24 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: if not this week, next week, okay, and the tight 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: end is done for the year. That's all right. 26 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: Who else? You got anybody else that that that hurts that. 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: That there are some a lignement issues that we're going on. Yeah, 28 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: so there's there's plenty of guys on the injury report, 29 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: but the biggest one is uh Josh Jacobs. 30 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: And if they don't have him, that's trouble. 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: Who is your backup? I don't even know. 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: Well, there's Emmanuel Wilson, Chris Brooks a problem. You don't 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: have what you'd classify as a a big time backup 34 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: running back. Wilson's a fine number two, okay, but I 35 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: would I wouldn't be like, oh, no problem you go. 36 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. 37 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: Dante's small hands ticked off. Vikings fans, no snow Lands. 38 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 2: Wolves and five. 39 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 3: That's pretty good. That's very good. 40 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: You could do Gophers regally on Saturday and then Vikings 41 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: Packers at Lambeau on Sunday. 42 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: That's true. 43 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: That's a good little trip for for your for a 44 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: hardcore sports roube right, seriously, be easily done. What time 45 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: I think the I think the Gopher game is an 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: eleven o'clocker. Pretty sure it's or eleven ten whatever that 47 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: that window eleven is at eleven o'clock. Okay, uh check, 48 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: Here's what I'm curious about. Will you check the spread 49 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: on that game. I'm gonna guess Northwestern is favored by 50 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: two and a half over the Gophers. 51 00:02:55,040 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: Hey, on the road, three and a half. Northwestern is 52 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: favored three and a half and half points. That's embarrassing. 53 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: Now, the Cats played a great They just played a 54 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: great game and lost at the buzzer. And think of 55 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: a field goal to Michigan. We might talk about that 56 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: with mace in your face. Well, it should be pointed 57 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: out too that the Gophers are six and four, they're 58 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: Bowl eligible. Yeah, we heard about it. Northwestern is five 59 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: and five. Northwestern is favored by three and a half 60 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: points the Wrigley Field home advantage, Yes, the friendly confinct. 61 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: So they get two straight weeks of games at Wrigley 62 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: to do the uh, the Wildcats. So that's a pretty 63 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: good Uh, that's a very good idea. All right, real quick, 64 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: the again, let me let me be completely honest enough 65 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: a bove board about this. This is not a rumor 66 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: that has started, you know, by let's say, informed media 67 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: people like a Johnny athletic, for example, where he might say, 68 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is going to happen, but there's 69 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: exploration going on. 70 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: This isn't that kind. 71 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: This is a kind where media jackals, in this case 72 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: basketball media jackals are bored and they start thinking about 73 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: early results this year. And in this case, the logic is, well, 74 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: let's take a look at the Clippers. They're a mess. 75 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: They seem to be going the wrong direction. Their season 76 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: almost feels like it's over before it's begun. 77 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 3: I think Kawhi is hurt again. 78 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: They got who's the uh the the wing player that 79 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: was that they got from Phoenix who had the no 80 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: trade clause. It'll come to me in a minute. He's 81 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: already out for the season. So maybe the Clippers say 82 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: we're done. It's early to say that, but we're done. Meanwhile, 83 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: these same jackals are saying, well, it looks like the Wolves, 84 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: as much as important as Mike Conley has been, and 85 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: by the way, he's shooting great lately, maybe it's time 86 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 1: for a lesser role for him longer in the tooth. 87 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: You have him coming off the bench, but maybe you 88 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: need a starter and Dante really isn't a point guard. 89 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: And even though it's set up where a lot of 90 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: times the ball ends up in Anthony Edwards hands, you 91 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: could say there's an opening there for a with it 92 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: in a while point guard. So the suggestion I heard 93 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: today is what about James Hardened to the Wolves? Or 94 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: it would have to be a package a bevy of players. 95 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: Is it even feasible? Now there's financial implications. Harden makes 96 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: thirty nine million this year, and I think he's got 97 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: a contract for next year where it goes up to 98 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a player option that goes up to 99 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: forty two million bucks. He's longer in the tooth, obviously. 100 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Let's check his age. He's thirty six years old. By 101 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: the way, somebody said how old was Dante in his 102 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: first year? Was he a lot older than JJ McCarthy. 103 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Dante was twenty three the first year he played for 104 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: the Vikings, So he's a year older than McCarthy. He 105 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: wasn't twenty He's not Brosemer. He's not like twenty nine 106 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: years old. Anyway, I digress, and I'll throw it out 107 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: to the Wolves fans out there. Would they have any 108 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: interests to that? It's a dangerous move. It's a big move, 109 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: but we've learned. You know that Tim Conley makes big moves. 110 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: James Harden is playing well and he's also, I think, 111 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: shown the ability to not be the main guy anymore, 112 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: where he's perfectly content occasionally scoring and still scoring at 113 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: times very effectively, but other times just distributing and just 114 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: getting other people involved the whole bit. It would be 115 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: a I mean, just a dramatic departure, and then I 116 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: think you'd have to factor in, well, who the hell 117 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: you giving up? And I put it this way, if 118 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: if you have to give up, I don't think you 119 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: can trade Randall in this deal. I don't think you 120 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: can trade Jaden in this deal. As an NBA source 121 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: reminds me, could you get it done or would you 122 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: be willing to get it done? If let's say you 123 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: traded Dillingham and nas nas reed, could that do it? 124 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: I have no idea. And as I said, we're big 125 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: Conley guys on this show. 126 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: As you know, I. 127 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: Never ever discount when he's getting it going, even at 128 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: his advanced age, that he can help this team. But 129 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: James Harden's a big juice guy, right, I mean, he's 130 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: he on the other hand, in the playoffs, he is 131 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,559 Speaker 1: trunk from time to time, so you have to factor 132 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: that in too. So again, it's just an interesting muse 133 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: that's been lay the sort of speculated on as well. 134 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: The Clippers are done. It's a natural place. 135 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: The Wolves do potentially need help here, So I'll throw 136 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: it out and see. I'm very curious to see what 137 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: the Texters have to say about it. I'm going to 138 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: save these texts and take it under consideration how people 139 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: are responding. A number of people already have because we've 140 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: got Seaffort coming up next segment, so we'll save them 141 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: for maybe a little bit after Kevin Seffert. Luigi is 142 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: going to join at five point thirty. We've already had 143 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: a couple of good comebacks to this whole rumor of 144 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: James Harden. That is an internet rumor, not one, as 145 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: I said, that's very much media based at this point, 146 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: but people trying to put their heads together about the 147 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: condition of the two clubs. Wolves still very much thinking 148 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: and rightly that they can be in this mix if 149 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: they get you know, the right pieces and get going 150 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: the right way, and the Clippers season might already be 151 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: as we said, done, Big name is James Harden, but 152 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: a volatile name as well. That's what I think makes 153 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: the whole thing, even in a hypothetical way, so interesting 154 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: to discuss. We'll come back with Seaffert if you have 155 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: questions for him brat Shawn Briant, k FA n text line. 156 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: He used the term on Monday cannibalized. 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See 171 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: if you're joining us via the Connectico Water Systems Hotline. 172 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: I want to start with before we get to quarterback 173 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: and cannibalizing and all kinds of good stuff from some 174 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: of your more recent pieces, I want to revisit one 175 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: aspect of the Vikings loss. Not so much the kickoff 176 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: return itself that then opened the door to the Bears 177 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: re stealing the game from the Vikings who had seemingly 178 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: just stolen it, but what it says again about the 179 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: effectiveness of a rule change. 180 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: Because. 181 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: I think it's fairly evident that if the NFL had 182 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: not changed the rule properly to say, you want to 183 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: kick it through the end zone, that's fine, But now 184 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: from now on teams are going to get it at 185 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: the thirty five yard line. That's what you have to 186 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: be willing to give up. Then we would have seen 187 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: the ball obviously kicked through the end zone, or we 188 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: might have seen a squib, But now you can't even 189 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: necessarily count on a squib because of where it lands. 190 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: Which all that tells. All this tells me, Seffert, is 191 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: that this rule change is a smashing success because it 192 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: has sort of reinserted a certain amount of strategy to 193 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: the kickoff return that most of US had given. 194 00:11:55,559 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 4: Up on right absolutely, you know, they if you kick 195 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 4: it out of the end zone, like I think a 196 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 4: lot of people wanted the Vikings to do. Even with 197 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 4: this new rule, the baggos of the thirty five yard line, 198 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 4: you're basically like twenty five yards away from field goal range, 199 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 4: which would be the Vikings forty and then that becomes 200 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 4: like a fifty eight ish yard field goal if you 201 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 4: combine this kickoff rule with the rule that apparently has 202 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 4: changed the distance that the CA balls can go that 203 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 4: we talked about a couple weeks ago, and you're talking 204 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 4: about you have no choice but to try to pin 205 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 4: the or I would say no choice. But the clear 206 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 4: strategy I think at that point, especially if you trust 207 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 4: your kickoff coverage, is to put the ball in play 208 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 4: and try to pin them somewhere deeper than that thirty 209 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 4: five yard line. 210 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question about that. 211 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: Now to the question of whether, even knowing that that, 212 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: the Vikings would have been better served giving them the 213 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: ball at to thirty five and thereby obviously eliminating the 214 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: possibility of that kind of big return, I am on 215 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: the side that had no difficulty with the decision, because 216 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: the Viking I should say the Bears only needed three. 217 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: If they needed seven, I might feel differently about it. 218 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: But if you need three and you're putting them on 219 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: the thirty five and people are kicking field goals as 220 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: long as they are now the Vikings, the Bears don't 221 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: have the longest field goal kicker in the league, but 222 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: he is capable of getting to fifty and maybe even fifty. 223 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: I think he had a fifty four in this game, didn't. 224 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: I think it was the longest of his career. It 225 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: was room to spare, Yeah, the room to spare that 226 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: I if it's just three, you just have to you 227 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: have to handle even with a good return guy, you 228 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: have to handle the return better. And we all know 229 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: that a lot of laying changes took place or a 230 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: lot of people left their lanes. I had no difficulty 231 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: in a field goal situation with not wanting to concede 232 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: the thirty five yard line to the opposition. 233 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. And I know a lot of people are down 234 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 4: on the Viking special teams, and there's been, you know, 235 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: plenty of times when there's been penalties on long returns 236 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 4: or what have you. But the one of the parts 237 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 4: of their special teams that have really good this year 238 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 4: and function at a high level as the kickoff coverage. 239 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 4: And Matt Daniels, their especially teams coordinator, has stat and 240 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 4: I look back and it appears accurate that of all 241 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 4: the kickoff returns they've had against them this year, I 242 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 4: think only three have gone past the thirty five yard 243 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 4: line of but fifty plus or whatever it was, And 244 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 4: so there there there was a real reason. You know, 245 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 4: people talk about analytics and one of the analytics telling you, 246 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 4: but you also have to judge the skills or the 247 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 4: lack of skills of your team, and one thing that 248 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 4: has been pretty reliable has been their kickoff coverage, and 249 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 4: so that's I think why they were they Kevin O'Connell 250 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 4: had a little extra reason to put it in play 251 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 4: and why they were so gutted by what happened. 252 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: All right, So where does cannibalizing come in to your 253 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: description of perhaps the current condition of the way the 254 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: current condition of the Vikings, the way this season has 255 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: played out to this point. 256 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they had to clear goals coming into 257 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 4: the year, and that was number one to compete the 258 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 4: playoff spot, like most teams try to do. In their case, 259 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 4: very genuinely there's some teams who just talk about it, 260 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 4: but I think based on how much money they spent 261 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 4: and the quality of the roster that they assembled, that 262 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 4: they very much thought they would be heading for the playoffs. 263 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 4: And the other goal was to develop their young quarterback 264 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 4: and get to the end of the season and be 265 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 4: able to say like, hey, this is our guy moving forward. 266 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 4: We got them all these all the reps we needed. 267 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 4: We didn't have to ask him to do too much 268 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 4: because of the great team that he had around them. 269 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 4: And basically, as they sit here at four and six, 270 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 4: those two goals and the word I use was cannibalized 271 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 4: each other. That because they're trying, because they're trying to 272 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: develop JJ McCarthy, they're very unlikely to make the playoffs, 273 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 4: and like that, one has led to the other, and 274 00:15:54,960 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 4: so I you know, it always was a possibility, and 275 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 4: we could if we end up having the same situation 276 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 4: here at the end of the year and we do 277 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 4: all the post mortems and all that, I guess we'll 278 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: question whether the judgment that they were capable of doing 279 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 4: both of those things at the same time was sound. 280 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 4: But so far it appears as though they're kind of 281 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 4: collapsing on top of each other. 282 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you for your view on 283 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: one aspect of what I might call the the you know, 284 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: the earnest efforts that most coaches do in a situation 285 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: like this damage control. Right, a young in this place, 286 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: in case, a young quarterback who you're invested in, that 287 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: you want to believe in, and that you you want 288 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: to not be traumatized by any more than he already is, 289 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: perhaps about how this thing is playing out. 290 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: So today. 291 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: KOs says, one thing Vikings fans can look for when he, 292 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: meaning McCarthy, gets to the top of his drops, we're 293 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: really trying to see if we can get him to 294 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: be a little bit more in a repeatable body position. Now, 295 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm not here to say that that isn't part of 296 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: what they have to work on, but I believe, and 297 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: we got a lot of these after the game too, 298 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: eyes and feet, Eyes and feet. I don't think they're 299 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: doing him any favors articulating his issues publicly this way. 300 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 3: I don't. 301 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: It comes off to me as we're dealing with a 302 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: middle school quarterback who is just a raw talent that 303 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: has no idea, has never played the position, and it 304 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of bilateral leg weakness where 305 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: whatever the intent was, it ends up working against the player. 306 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: And I you know, we had the base stuff that 307 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: from a few weeks ago. I just think it unwittingly 308 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: makes it sound like we've got to repeat this stuff 309 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: in this guy's ear every fifteen seconds, as if he's 310 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: just started playing the position. 311 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 3: What do you think? 312 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 4: I mean, it's that, But it's also the largelarger sense 313 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 4: that here we are at the highest level of football 314 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 4: on the planet, you know, the NFL, and they're being 315 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 4: pretty open talking about how they're having to sort of 316 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 4: teach him how to play the position at the levels 317 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 4: like I think, like we can go through all the 318 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 4: different like you know, postures and the and the technical 319 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 4: words that he's using. But in the larger sense, it's 320 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 4: that they have a asset, that they high priced assets, 321 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 4: that they're kind of openly admitting is not equipped yet 322 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 4: to play the position at this level and that they're 323 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 4: trying to teach him that in real time. And that's 324 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 4: a lot different than I think young quarterbacks developing, because 325 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 4: we hear about that for every quarterback when they no 326 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: matter how many how experience they were in college and 327 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 4: how much success they had when they get to the NFL. 328 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 4: There's just a mental level that you take some time 329 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 4: to use the speed of the game, the complexities of 330 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 4: the game, the different defenses that you play, and those 331 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 4: are usually that's usually the world you're talking about with 332 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 4: quarterback development, and we don't understandable. I mean, there isn't 333 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 4: a single quarterback who became a long term starter who 334 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 4: had it all figured out right, you know, the second 335 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 4: they got there's like that. But those are the things 336 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: that they're working on, like understanding NFL defenses, being able 337 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 4: to call and spit out the play call of an 338 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 4: NFL offense and knowing the different audibles and knowing all 339 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 4: that sort of thing and being able to get it 340 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 4: to a point where you can do it routinely. And 341 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 4: that's that is very much not what. 342 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: They're talking about. 343 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 4: They're talking about kind of some basic things that like, 344 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 4: to me, I don't know how realistic it is to 345 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 4: think that these things can be improved over the course 346 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 4: of the season, like the offseason thing. Yep. But you know, 347 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 4: as a reporter, I'm never going to come down on 348 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 4: anybody being transparent or or for providing quote unquote too 349 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 4: much information, But I see what you're saying in terms 350 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 4: of how that could make JJ field with My guess is, 351 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 4: if they're saying this to us now, this has been said, 352 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 4: you know, behind the scenes for many it's not even 353 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 4: a guess. I know, like been saying behind the scenes 354 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 4: for months and weeks and weeks and probably months, and 355 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 4: so I don't think that he's necessarily getting blindsided by this. 356 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 4: I think that there's a point where like sometimes having 357 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 4: it out there publicly, you know, can speed the process. 358 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're kind of saying the same thing I 359 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: in just in different ways. 360 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: It's it's it's. 361 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: It's the alarm bells go off, And if part of 362 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 1: what you're trying to do is protect him from the 363 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: heat that he's getting, it's not it's not helping in 364 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: that regard at all. 365 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: I I you know, I don't think. 366 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 4: I I mean, And the other thing that caught in 367 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 4: my ear was just the phrase, you know, eager to 368 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: see the cement start to dry, to me is another 369 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 4: way of saying, like it's time for you to do 370 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 4: these things. You know, we've talked about it a lot, 371 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 4: We've laid the foundation, the cement, you know, the the 372 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 4: you know, the how the foundation of the house is laid. 373 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 4: It's time that and it's time for you to do 374 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 4: these things. And so I, yeah, I don't. I wouldn't 375 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 4: say that Kevin O'Connell or any of the assistant coaches 376 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 4: on this team are the kinds of people that trying 377 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,239 Speaker 4: to motivate people in the media or whatever. Yeah, Like, 378 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 4: if it is being said publicly, then I think that's 379 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: kind of where they're at privately as well. 380 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that may well be very well true. 381 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: I mentioned this yesterday, and it's a little bit apples 382 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: and oranges because this is Caleb Williams second year of 383 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: actually playing, although it's actually only his first year working 384 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: with Ben Johnson. But I went after the game back 385 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: and forth. I got wine line here via iHeart to 386 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: get reaction and listen to the head coach, and then 387 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: I went to Bear's wine line to see, Okay, what 388 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: are they saying, And just by luck, I happened to 389 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: be listening when they played back a portion of the 390 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson press conference and there's the usual questions about 391 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, the kickoff return and you know, showing some 392 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: toughness and finding ways to win all all the cliches, 393 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: and then there was well what did you know? What 394 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: did you what did you tho? How would you evaluate 395 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: Caleb's performance? And there's a pause from Johnson and he says, 396 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: I can't really say, I need to look at the tape. 397 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, WHOA, that may well be true. And 398 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: you often hear but usually you hear it after a loss, 399 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: or you hear it after you know. So the word 400 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: out of Chicago is that the Johnson approach has been 401 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: a lot of tough love where he has been a 402 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: lot harder. And maybe that's you know, style coaching style. 403 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: Maybe again, this is he knows Caleb's second year, so 404 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: he's going to be a little more impatient about you know, 405 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: the cement drawing and all that stuff. But I'm curious 406 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: to know if you think it'll ever get close to 407 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: that point in a meaningful way with KOC or are 408 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: we just talking about completely different coaching styles where he 409 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: might say, come on, man, come on, JJ, we need 410 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: you got to buck up here, man, and you have 411 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: to concentrate, and we got to challenge you a little 412 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: bit with maybe a little bit more tough love than 413 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: we've shown to this point. 414 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 4: I mean, I would argue that that is a little 415 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 4: bit of what we were just talking about, like the cementra. 416 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 4: I think that's just kind of the way he talks, 417 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 4: you know, and everybody's got their own ways of communication. 418 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 4: And I think the worst spot for coach to be 419 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 4: in is to decide in his head, I got to 420 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 4: act a certain way. I you know, I've gotta I 421 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 4: gotta get meaner, or I've got to be nicer, or 422 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 4: I've got to be drill starch guy, or I've got 423 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 4: to be you know, youth coach guy with the orange 424 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 4: slices and capri sun guy like you like that is 425 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 4: that won't work, and it won't no player will respond 426 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 4: to it. And it's like the O'Connell talks about that's 427 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 4: being the best version of yourself. And in that regard, 428 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 4: I don't see him being somebody who can apply the 429 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 4: level of public certainly publicly direct, you know, love that 430 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 4: you're talking about. I think the way it might come 431 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 4: out is a lot closer to where you know, Okay, 432 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 4: we're each for the cement to dry. So I don't 433 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 4: know how that changes behind the scenes with JJ, but 434 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 4: I do think that in his in his way, that 435 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 4: is sort of what's happening already. 436 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: Kevin Seaford ESPN dot com joining us. If you have questions, please, 437 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: as I said, text US six four six eight six. 438 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: So I think I've asked you this before, but I'll 439 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: ask you it again because it keeps coming up. There 440 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: are people who think that at times he looks so 441 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: overwhelmed that the coach actually would be better served throwing 442 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: out the other QB Brosemer. And we know some of 443 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: that is because he played here. Let's be honest, A 444 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: lot of people wouldn't even know who the hell this 445 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: kid was he didn't play here. But there are others saying, well, 446 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,239 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, other teams have occasionally they they had, 447 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, high hopes in San Francisco for Trey Lance, 448 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: and they want other directions, and you're allowed to it 449 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: if it's so bad to just throw somebody else out there. 450 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: The theory is that the only conceivable reason that KOC 451 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't throw him out there is he's afraid that he's 452 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: going to do well enough that then he's got another 453 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: headache on his hands. Do you have any reason to 454 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: believe that might be true. 455 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 4: I don't think he's afraid of that. I think like 456 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 4: even in the Trey Lance Brock pretty transition that you're 457 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 4: talking about. I'm almost positive that Purty ended up on 458 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 4: the field because Trey Lance was hurt, right, and so yeah, 459 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 4: there was a natural opportunity for him to be out there. 460 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 4: And the Lance injury was pretty significant, so it wasn't 461 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 4: like he you know, it was just the high ankle 462 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 4: spray and he's eventually going to come back, like there 463 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 4: was a break broken leg or whatever, and he was 464 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 4: done for the year, and so they had a natural 465 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 4: reason to put Purty on the field. But I do 466 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 4: think there was a moment in Sunday's game when I 467 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 4: think it was a third down and he in the 468 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 4: third quarter and McCarthy way overthrows Justin Jefferson on the 469 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 4: sideline and he kind of he like throws his hands 470 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 4: on his helmet and discussed and then like sprints off 471 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 4: the field, and like, like I just at that moment, 472 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 4: at least, I'm thinking, like, I wonder if this is 473 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 4: like it's like he needs to be put out of 474 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 4: his misery here, not to like set him back and say, Okay, 475 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 4: you know you're not going to play it the next 476 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 4: few weeks or you're punished or whatever. But just like 477 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 4: mentally reset, even if it was just for a couple 478 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 4: series or whatever, it just looked like he was like 479 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 4: just so it was beyond frustrating, And so I asked, 480 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 4: And that was when it was at the absolute worst, 481 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 4: like it was near the end of the third quarter 482 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 4: and first three quarters in that game. His his off 483 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 4: target rate was like thirty two or thirty three percent, 484 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 4: which means one out of every three passes he was 485 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 4: throwing was just uncatchable. And so I asked, at what 486 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 4: level of performance do you have would he need to 487 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 4: be at to consider that even in just kind of 488 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 4: the very short term, And I'm not sure if he 489 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 4: what he thought I was asking, and he basically said 490 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 4: he didn't want to go into it. And a lot 491 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 4: of people said, well, what do you expect him to say? 492 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 4: Like he's not going to spell out what he's looking 493 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 4: forward to bench the guy. But it just it just 494 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 4: felt like at that moment, at least, like that wouldn't 495 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 4: have been like the absolute worst idea to consider, not 496 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 4: to see what Max Brosber can do and not to 497 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 4: you know, allow the next rock party moment to happen. 498 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 4: But just like I don't know, like almost like sympathy, 499 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 4: but you know, and you talk about tough love, like 500 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 4: to me, making them go back out there again even 501 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 4: under that circumstance with that body language. You know, I 502 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 4: think that there's a little bit of tough love there. 503 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 4: And it ended up being for their benefit because he 504 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 4: did rally and play much better in the fourth quarter. 505 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 4: And if they had right taken him out, even for 506 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 4: sympathetic reasons at that point, he wouldn't have gotten the 507 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 4: opportunity in those reps. So I you know, I don't 508 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 4: think they made a mistake, but it just like popped 509 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 4: in my head, and like I still think, like overwhelming 510 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 4: necessity here is to get this guy as many reps 511 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 4: as possible, no matter what, you know, unless you are 512 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 4: convinced and all your coaching staff agrees that you're doing 513 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 4: damage to him by playing him. And and that's really 514 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 4: the only point of the whole season where I felt 515 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 4: like that was even a modest Uh. 516 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: No, it was a fair question, question Mark, Yeah, it 517 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: was an absolutely fair question. Chris Carter yesterday told us 518 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: that he believes that the Viking it's it's essential. He's 519 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: not giving up on McCarthy, but he thinks it's essential 520 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: that you that the Vikings bring in This was, again, 521 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: much to the chagrin of the brosmer fans, a backup, 522 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: legitimate backup quarter veteran quarterback. He made it sound like 523 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: more having to do again with injury than it did 524 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: with actually trying to get somebody else to compete for 525 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: the job. 526 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 3: What do you think of that? Do you think? 527 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: And I think he means maybe somebody better than Carson Wentz. 528 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, And again that's sometimes easier said than 529 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: done identifying who that person is. Is that essential you 530 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: think for next because the assumption is that whatever happens 531 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: the rest of this year, at the very least, McCarthy's 532 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: still going to be in the mix. Or do you 533 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: think it's actually possible that it could go so bad 534 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: that they'd have to they have to rethink everything, even 535 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty six sies. 536 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 4: I mean a lot can happen in seven games. Yeah, 537 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's the that's sort of the bottom line. 538 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: Like he. 539 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 4: He could turn a corner and you could get to 540 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 4: the end of the year and say, man, like that, 541 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 4: everything I saw on the last two months of the year, 542 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 4: I feel great about. You know, we'll we'll have a 543 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 4: veteran backup, and we'll we'll think through all those things, 544 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 4: but this is our guy, and like that's what they 545 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 4: want we're hoping to be at regardless, And then I 546 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 4: still think there's enough time to happen. But you also say, like, 547 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 4: has there been any progress towards that at this point, 548 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 4: like with his fifth game, any better than his first game? 549 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 4: And the answer really is no. And so if that's 550 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 4: the case, and it kind of like hovers in this 551 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 4: general area and you're planning to compete for a playoff 552 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 4: spot next year, it seems that Chris you know, is 553 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 4: making a good argument there, and that really the question becomes, 554 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 4: is there a guy like that out there that you 555 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 4: could get that would could be essentially next year? Is 556 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 4: Daniel Jones somebody who comes in and in theory is 557 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 4: competing with your young quarterback and in the case of 558 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 4: the Indianapolis was clearly the better quarterback, and they went 559 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 4: with him and they never looked back. Since it's hard 560 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 4: to imagine if they if it stays in this kind 561 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 4: of general performance area, that they can look themselves in 562 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 4: the mirror and say, I think it's going to be 563 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 4: much different next year without having a real strong second 564 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 4: option there. 565 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: You know, the anytime a quarterback is struggling, no matter 566 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: his level of experience, part of what gets broken down 567 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: is how much of it is physical, how much of 568 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: it is form, how much of it is, you know, 569 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: following through habits in terms of how you you know, 570 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: where you're releasing the ball, all that stuff, And then 571 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: how much of it is mental, how much of it 572 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: is you're you're you're rushing in part because you're pressing 573 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: because it's not going your way. McCarthy says all the 574 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: right things, and everybody has talked about leadership skills, and 575 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: he's a gamer, and he's got the EyeBlack and all 576 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: this stuff. But and I know this is probably impossible 577 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: to measure. We can't rule out the possibility that behind 578 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: the scenes, this is you know, getting to him more. 579 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: And that is also that sort of feeds on itself 580 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: when things are not going the right way. The mental 581 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: side of this can't be completely dismissed, can it. 582 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 4: No, not at all. And just from the sense of 583 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 4: on Sunday, you know, the first couple of downfield pathses 584 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 4: he makes are you know, very inaccurate. You know, he 585 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 4: had a couple of short passes that went fine, and 586 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 4: they were trying to get him into a rhythm, and 587 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 4: they know that that pass that bounced the way before 588 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 4: Jordan Addison, uh, you know, had a chance to catch 589 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 4: it on the first drive. Like apparently he had thrown 590 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 4: that perfectly five times in practice or homemb many times 591 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 4: they practiced it, uh, during the course of the week. 592 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 4: It was called because he had thrown it very well 593 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 4: and shown them that he could do it. And once 594 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 4: that start, there was definitely a snowball effect. I mean, 595 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 4: you could say it whichever way you want, but like 596 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 4: even in you know, the Detroit game and then against 597 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 4: the Ravens, his earlier you know, the part that was 598 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 4: on the quote unquote script was going pretty well, and 599 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 4: then as he got amped up the course of the game, 600 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 4: his accuracy dipped, but didn't to the fact that it 601 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 4: happened in the first series, I think was just kind 602 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 4: of sent things spiraling. And so there's no way it's 603 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 4: not at least part partially a psychological thing. And you know, 604 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 4: he'd only be human if that were the casese. But 605 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 4: obviously there's a lot of physical parts. 606 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: I talked to Leeb about this yesterday and I'm sure 607 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: you've heard it too. So he recovers nicely with that 608 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: last scoring drive. It's basically two minute offense. I don't 609 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: know that they huddled at all. If they did, they 610 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: didn't huddle very much. And so people watch that and 611 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: they go there, it is, he just needs to be 612 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: in the two minute offense all the time because he 613 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: otherwise he tends to overthink. And I refuse to believe 614 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: it's that simple, but maybe it is. I don't know. 615 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: Most people say, you can't. You will get killed by 616 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: defenses eventually if you constantly try to do you know, 617 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: no huddle or go two minutes that you can do 618 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: that earlier in games, and some teams do, depending on 619 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: trying to keep other people's defense, you know, from making 620 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: adjustments in terms of personnel. But it's the natural human 621 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: place that people go. They go, well, look how good 622 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: you look? So just have him play in that style 623 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: the whole time, to which you say, what. 624 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, they should definitely do all the stuff that he 625 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 4: does well and do none of the stuff that he 626 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 4: doesn't do well, and then everything will be fine. Now, 627 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 4: I like, you can't. Obviously, you can't do that throughout 628 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 4: the whole game. What I've taken from the two minute thing, 629 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 4: and this was also in the fourth quarter against Detroit 630 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 4: when he made that really good third down throw. Like, 631 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 4: to whatever extent we're talking about mental, psychological, the impact 632 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 4: of things snowballing, like, he is not negatively affected by 633 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 4: the game situation. You know, we saw that, and also 634 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 4: in the first quarter, fourth quarter against Chicago where if anything, 635 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 4: he tends to get to lock in and bear down 636 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 4: in those really the times when you would see a 637 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 4: lot of young quarterbacks fall apart, Which is part of 638 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 4: what's so confounding about trying to figure out exactly what's 639 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 4: up here, is that, like it would be totally normal 640 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 4: for a young quarterback to come out, you know, the 641 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 4: games whatever, first quarter, second quarter, do okay and fine, 642 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 4: and then you get to the fourth quarter when the 643 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 4: defense is coming at you, the pressures aren't you. The 644 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 4: coach is probably amped up a little bit, the crowd's 645 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 4: amped up, and he's fine. In those situations, he seems 646 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 4: to thrive. So maybe what they really should do is 647 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 4: just tell him that that we need to strive to 648 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 4: win the game, and all the drives would be good now. 649 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 4: But I like, I think that's a good sign. You 650 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 4: try to pull good and bad out and everything, and 651 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 4: like it's a good sign that the game situations at 652 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 4: least don't seem to be driving him into anything other 653 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 4: than being the best he's been all season in those situations. 654 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: On that note, we'll let you go. We appreciate the time. 655 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: We will chat next week. Thanks Seffert. 656 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 2: Okay, Dan appreciate it. 657 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: That is Kevin Seffert, who covers the Vikings in the 658 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: National Football League for ESPN dot com and of course 659 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: showins Us Weekly as well. Lots of good texts have 660 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: come in reacting to our discussion. I'm going to try 661 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: to get to those in the next segment. We have 662 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: Top five and five yet to come. We've got lou 663 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: Nanny to talk about the red hot Minnesota Wild as well. 664 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 2: About five point thirty. 665 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: Time now the Vikings Report on the Fan, presented by 666 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: Miller Lyte. Hiking's wide receiver Adam Thielen joins danbur Rairo 667 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: next man join the fans Eric Nordquis Nordo at Gray's 668 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: Food Hall for a Purple watch party. This Sunday probably 669 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: kicks off at noon with Minnesota taken on Green Day, 670 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: plus great food and drinks and your shots went awesome. 671 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: Prizes every corner, all the details, KFA and dot com 672 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: keyword calendar. All right, a couple quick thoughts before we 673 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: get to the Top five at five. Don't forget that 674 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: Louis is scheduled to join at about five thirty pm tonight, 675 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: So a lot of hockey talk coming and uh we 676 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: certainly if you want to get your questions in early 677 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: for Luigi, you can do that at any point. Top 678 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: five at five, as I mentioned, is yet to come 679 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,760 Speaker 1: as well. I did get a bunch of texts regarding 680 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: the online James Harden muse about the possibility of him 681 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: and the up up here. And of course there's no 682 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: media steam that such a deal is on the table. 683 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: It's media folks who are bored, thinking, all right, well, 684 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: the Clippers season might already be over and the Wolves 685 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: might be looking for some pep at the point guard position. 686 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: Harden is one of those volatile, polarizing names. I've tended 687 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: to be very critical of him, certainly because of his 688 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: number of his postseason performances. I do think he is 689 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: playing in a different mode where he doesn't demand the 690 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: ball as much as he did previously. That's kind of 691 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: the change in the way he's played as he gets 692 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: a little bit older. Here's the consensus is there are 693 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: a few people who are intrigued, but a bunch who aren't. 694 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 1: I would want no part of Harden, but I will 695 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: admit I have a huge bias against him for the 696 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: way in which he goes about forcing his way off 697 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 1: trades off teams. I guess I should say, Dan, what 698 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: about John Morant? We have talked about him before. There 699 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: were a couple people who said they'd rather get James 700 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: Harden than Ja Morant. 701 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 2: How about a Wolves trade for Kyrie Irving. 702 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: Well, he's first of all, got to prove that he's 703 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: healthy enough to play, and then I don't know that 704 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of reason why Dallas would make a 705 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: move on him. A six' five to one guy would 706 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: Prefer harden Over John. Morant you, know at least what 707 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: you're getting With harden could be the perfect place him 708 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: to finally make that. Jump remember he's failed in the 709 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: playoffs many times when he's a great player and good point. Guard, 710 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: STILL i don't Get harden And randall complimenting each, other 711 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: especially with the. Aunt you would need three balls out. 712 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 1: There John moran Or, harden say it would Take, Nas 713 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: dillingham And. CLARK i would Take, harden absolutely. Not he 714 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: cannot stay on the floor in the. Playoffs, defensively he 715 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: will not buy. In we need A Drew holiday type. 716 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,879 Speaker 1: Player if you want a, championship you need The big. 717 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: Three and if getting rid Of nas And dillions and, picks, 718 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: well hell, YES i would trade everything for one. 719 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 3: Championship harden has never won. 720 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: Anything if you get you can get him for one 721 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: of the, kids, maybe but don't give up the core for. 722 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: Him harden doesn't play defense at. 723 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 4: All. 724 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: Horrible, heck no To. Harden guy's never won on, team 725 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: any team he has been, ON i, think Not Dan 726 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: On harden not exactly a youth. Movement, WELL i don't 727 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: think you have to worry about a youth movement at this. 728 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: Point you're trying to give yourself the best, CHANCE i, 729 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: think to make a run at it. Now, defensively obviously 730 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: that does hurt. You and somebody pointed, out, hey the 731 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 1: offense has been good this. Year the offense really hasn't 732 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: been the. Problem what hasn't been Accepted, Again we're going 733 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 1: to start, playing you, know a higher volume of teams 734 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: with winning, records which we still haven't done very well. 735 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: Against that's we're doing very well knocking out teams we're 736 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: supposed to dominate better than they usually. Do but in, general, 737 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: yeah the offenses look pretty, sharp one could, Say but 738 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: we have TO i think we do have to factor 739 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: in who the team has beaten through this period of. 740 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 1: Time harden is a volume, shooter not a great shooting. 741 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 1: Percentage not great shooting percentages this? Season are you Kidding James? 742 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: Harden he's got the worst playoff record. Anybody come, on 743 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: not even should not even be a. CONSIDERATION i wouldn't 744 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: Touch harden with a ten foot beard brosmer starts Put 745 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: Mike conley in the. Carts dan is an old. Fart 746 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: wolves in? Five, well, okay that's one WAY i guess 747 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: to look at. It harden To, WOLVES i just threw 748 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: up in my. Mouth that's five h three. GUY i 749 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: asked for a, opinions and we've certainly gotten a wide 750 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: range of the top five will include Wild wolves and 751 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: SOME Nfl. 752 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 3: Nuggets