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Speaker 2: It's time for War of the Roses on kd WB.

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Speaker 3: All right, this is a weird one, you guys on

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Speaker 3: War of the Roses. I'm gonna let her tell the story.

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Speaker 3: But when I saw this email, I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: I hope we can make this one work out. Peyton,

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Speaker 4: So, my, this is so crazy. My mom and my

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Speaker 2: Okay, give me some details.

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Speaker 3: What in the world would make you think your mom

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Speaker 5: So, I mean, we've been together for a while.

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Speaker 4: He is over all the time, and at dinners I

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Speaker 5: Me and I, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, would be watching the concert, and out of the

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Speaker 4: So I would look over, and when I would look,

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Speaker 2: So I I pulled her hand away, Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: This is your mother, This is your mother. I will

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Speaker 3: In my family, and I've told you this story before,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever told that story before.

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Speaker 3: But in my family there is a story of somebody

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Speaker 2: They got caught, So go get caught.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean, so I'm not gonna I'm not

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Speaker 4: I did, I did. I asked him about it later

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Speaker 3: Then, now that would be suspicious either, like no, I

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Speaker 2: Betty's hand was on my leg. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: It is a yes or a no. Yeah, But he

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Speaker 3: Okay, now I'm jumping ahead a little bit. But if

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, maybe catching her off guard would at

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Speaker 2: It'll catch her off guard. Yeah, some type of tale.

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Speaker 5: In Oh my god. Okay, not everyone.

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Speaker 4: Deserves closure, but we do.

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Speaker 2: It's time for part two of War of the Roses

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Speaker 2: on Katie WB War of the Roses.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that we've ever had this one before.

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Speaker 3: I think we've had like maybe is my sister interested

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Speaker 3: her boyfriend, Caleb, and Peyton's mother, and Peyton was telling

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Speaker 3: And I had a girlfriend one time whose mom I

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Speaker 2: No, let alone in front of her. Right.

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Speaker 3: I did have a friend whose girlfriend hit on me

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Speaker 3: So so Peyton, your mom was what was the show

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Speaker 2: Peyton's mom.

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Speaker 3: You know, like I would like to send those roses

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Oh hey yeah, Bie.

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Speaker 5: Need I need to ask you something.

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Speaker 4: Sure that when we went to the concert with Caleb,

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Speaker 4: I thought I saw you touching his legs and I

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Speaker 4: wanted to ask you about that. Were you touching his

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Speaker 3: Were you?

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Speaker 4: Were you touching his guy?

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Speaker 1: Was I touching Caleb's cygh? No, I know I would

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Speaker 1: not have been touching. What kind of a question is that?

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Speaker 4: It's an honest question. I saw you do it several times,

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Speaker 5: Want to know what something's going on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, No, I am not always flirting with your boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: That is not something that I do. I am a

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

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Speaker 4: Mom. I mean, that's okay, Caleb, that's my boyfriend, and you're.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry. I maybe I my hand brushed into

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Speaker 4: That's the ster Oh my god, it brushed against his thigh.

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Speaker 4: That's that's the story you're going to go with, Peyton.

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Speaker 1: Is everything okay with you? This is like, this is surreal.

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Speaker 1: Are things okay with you and Caleb? Is there something

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Speaker 1: Because it just seemsn't really, Missleeved. I'm part of the

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Speaker 1: I don't even know where you're coming from with this.

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Speaker 4: To God, you are gas lighting me right now. I

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't know what to say to you

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Speaker 1: You're right, So can you leave him alone?

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Speaker 1: Okay? You know what I will change, Yep. I will

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Speaker 4: Okay, fine, because he was starting to feel a little

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Speaker 4: Sure you always do this, mom.

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Speaker 3: Sure, It just sounds like from the very years. There's

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Speaker 8: Well, she probably from the way that the mom was talking,

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Speaker 8: it seems like, well, I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: I haven't done anything wrong.

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Speaker 8: So if that's her mindset going into it, then of

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Speaker 8: I've got to be super overtly obvious that I'm not

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Speaker 6: However, I don't think that she was as like empathetic

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Speaker 3: They don't sound really close. I'm surprised they went to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say they like went to a concert.

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Speaker 9: my mom are going, I would sit in the I

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Speaker 9: woulds in the middle. So it seems like Caleb maybe

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Speaker 9: went into it thinking like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna I

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Speaker 3: Is weird right in front of the girlfriend. But I

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Speaker 3: believe we've had discussions on this show before where somebody

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Speaker 3: had made out with her boyfriend's dad or something.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't remember that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, We've had so many confessions on this show

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Speaker 3: I think it has happened before. And like I said,

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Speaker 3: there's a situation in my family where the mom did

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Speaker 3: hook up with her daughter's husband.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy and got caught.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how long or how many times, but

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Speaker 3: daughter came home from work apparently. Can you imagine the horror?

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Speaker 2: The horror.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to And they have not spoken since

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Speaker 3: that was probably twenty ish years ago.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, hey, you want to ruin your family relationship?

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Speaker 2: Sleep with that? Yeah? Exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this text says Peyton's mom sounds like mine. Are

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Speaker 3: they the same person? The gas lighting in narcissism very apparent.

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Speaker 3: But the very next text says, Mom ain't doing nothing.

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Speaker 3: I'm convinced maybe Peyton is just very insecure. What do

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Speaker 3: you think, Well, somebody had to make her.

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Speaker 6: I was gonna say, like, she is young, so I

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Speaker 6: think once again, Mom just didn't seem as supportive about

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Speaker 2: She just kind of was like, whatever is going on?

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Speaker 2: What is the world? What in the world would you do?

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Speaker 3: I mean, none of you guys are parents, But if

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Speaker 3: you're listening to the show and you're a parent, what

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Speaker 3: would you do if your daughter called and asked you

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Speaker 3: that similar question. If you're guiltless, you'd be like, I

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Speaker 3: don't even know what you're saying. Yeah, I'm beyond stunned.

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Speaker 3: I don't Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But if you're.

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Speaker 8: Guilty, once you say that too, you would say the same, Oh,

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Speaker 8: I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Get defensive. I think then I'd get defensive and like

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Speaker 3: what are you nuts? Are you crazy?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I don't know.

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Speaker 8: And this mom kind of did both or she's like,

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Speaker 8: I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Are you okay?