WEBVTT - 12-2-25 Sloan with Seth Walsh 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.680 Do want to be in a mad. 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.680 Harry Harry Harry is I don't mean style also I 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:11.600 mean Harry driving this morning. The Roadways seven hundred w W. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:15.200 Scott's Loan show first significant snowfall of the season two 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:19.160 to four plus depending where you are early on this morning. 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:22.040 The earl early hours are extremely difficult. I heard poor 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:24.400 Chuck Ingram and traffic getting in about three and a 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.600 half hours late this morning. Left at three o'clock, didn't 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.120 get it until just after six sometime. And same for 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.640 Brian Combs and a bunch of other folks. Right, I 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:35.520 got here about six thirty, so I left the left 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.920 my place at until after six o'clock, and it was, 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:42.479 you know, thirty five in this ice eventy one by 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.240 the way, maybe thirty five miles an hour some spots 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.839 and after that, but those coming in now, I you're 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:49.440 driving right now. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.360 Roads O doubts certainly did a great job. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.520 The other question would be the counties, but also the 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.200 city of Cincinnati last January. We know snow removal of 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.600 the city was a complete train wreck, was a disaster. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.240 We had equipment breakdown, shortages, roads left untreated, communication problems 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.960 this time, lots of changes with snowplows equipped with state 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.400 of the art technology to track routes and a new 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.920 real time snow applow tracker website that apparently is not 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.160 working as it should on that And he's out on 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.600 the street right now. That is a council member, Seth 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.759 Walsh on the show campaigned on the issue of snowplows 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.280 and snow removal, so he is our official snow guy 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:25.840 for the City of Cincinnati. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:27.559 Seth, welcome back. Where are you right now? 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.920 We've just exited the UC area checking out around you 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.720 see health that was a hard spot last year when 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.880 the big snowstorm came in. We could literally couldn't gage 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.440 cancer patients to U see help. But it's looking great 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:42.840 right now. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:43.800 You're actually out there. 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.559 Someone's driving you around, Buddy's driving you around, just because 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.000 you want a lay of the land. You want to 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:51.200 see what's working and what's not. Give me on a 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.120 scale of one to ten, how impressed are you with 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.360 the snow removal this morning with the City of Cincinnati. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:58.240 Yeah, I'm gonna go seven or eight. 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.040 This is prior already the priority streets have really they're 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.280 looking really good from what I'm seeing right now, and 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.880 I think that's an incredible testament to the hard work 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.200 of GPS overnight, the strategy they put in place of 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:11.760 last year and make sure we didn't have to mess 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:15.360 up from last from the last year. And you know, frankly, 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.720 Priority one streets are looking good. I think that we're 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:19.920 going to see over the rest of the day, we're 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.000 going to get the rest of the side streets taken 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:23.560 care of, and you know, we'll move that up to 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:24.560 a ten when we get there. 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:26.440 Yeah, and on that too. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.960 Last year there were literally city managers said, hey, listen, 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.480 there's going to be maybe it was some bridges and 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.240 roads said that listen, there's some streets that aren't going 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.240 to get plowed. It's just a matter of fact. Is 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.720 that has that changed since this time last year? 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:41.520 That's my understanding. 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.119 Yes, you know, we found last year after the snow 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.119 emergency that there were six hundred streets we didn't even 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.840 know that we hadn't touched. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.640 And so we have literally redrawn the maps. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.080 We've put in place a new system that makes so 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.880 much sense. You know, it's a GPS based system where 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.080 you can actually real time track streets are being plowed, 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:02.440 what streets have not been touched. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.040 And then we're making sure we're hitting all of them. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.800 And even though the Cloud Tracker is kind of hit 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:08.680 or miss right now, that's mostly because they have too 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.960 money people coming to watch it. It's working. It seems 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:12.840 to be working really well. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.600 Yeah, on that, we're getting some calls. We had difficulty 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.080 trying to log on and see in real time what 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.400 roads have been plowed, and we had calls many a 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.160 lot of people expressing frustration with that, and it's a 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.359 bandwidth issue. I understand that, but is heavily this was 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.359 that with all the problems last years, heavily this this 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:32.760 solution was advertised. Shouldn't shouldn't that have been an issue 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:34.680 that was foreseen that a lot of people are getting 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:36.600 get on to see what the roads look like. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:40.880 I would say that the issue that we did not 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.720 foresee was how successful our marketing campaign would be at 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:44.520 getting people to. 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:45.640 Trust this and use it. 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.560 Because we definitely expected a lot of usage, we did 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:51.680 not expect nearly as much as we're getting today. And 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:53.760 I think that's I think that's fantastic, and we're going 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.040 to get it fixed for the next time. 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:59.240 That's why you stress test these experiences. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.480 And we're found out that it's you know, it is 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.360 working hit or miss. I've had the same problems that 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.160 you're talking about there, but the miss is the problem, 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.200 and so we're going to we're going to increase that bandwidth. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:08.600 We're going to make it better for the next time. 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.840 Unfortunately that is the problem. But frankly, I'd rather take 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.200 a problem. We have too many people watching a successful 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.279 system than last year, where it was literally making up 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.560 data and making us think that it hit streets that 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.360 it had we hadn't come close to touching. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.640 Yeah, but I guess you'll push it back if if 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.359 you stress test something, it shows you it's working. Apparently 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.040 the stress test wasn't stressful enough. 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.359 Well, I mean, yesterday I was watching it. It was 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.760 really it was actually really fun to watch. As we 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.800 were showing what streets were getting pre treated. We were 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.920 getting a lot of comments from people that they've never 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.279 seen so many so many poles out there pre treating roads. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.679 But then today the snow hits a lot more people 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.359 watched it. So what we expected to stress us to 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.039 have in terms of how many people would watch it, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.479 we've we've passed. Then today finds out that a lot 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.640 more people are watching it again. That's a good problem 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:58.440 to have. Yes, we got to do. 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.040 Better at it. We're going to do better at it. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.400 But the problem is too many people ultimately are watching it, 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.040 and that we didn't anticipate. 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.240 And I think we will fix that. And that's an easy. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.400 Problem to fix, as opposed to again last year, where 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:11.640 we literally just didn't pole. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.159 Six hundred streets. That's a big problem. This is a 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.720 little Okay, let's fix that internal it problem. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.320 Yeah, I'm not going to be labor the snow tracker 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.159 app or the website anyway being down from time to 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.240 time and getting you know, slow to load and things 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:25.760 because so many people are watching it. I don't think 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.359 that's a pot It's a step in the right direction 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:29.880 of the sense that you know, last year it was 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.520 six hundred roads if you're simply were left untreated and 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.040 not enough equipment, not enough manpower, not enough everything, and 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.760 the communication was terrible, the communication as much. You know, 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.640 if we get it right for the next no Store, 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.640 I'm fine. If we don't, there's probably more problems there 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.240 than not. But the fact of the matter is the 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.240 roads are getting treated and plowed. That's the big thing. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:50.640 Yeah. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.520 Absolutely, And to your point about communication. I mean here, 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.719 in forty five minutes, the director of DPS is going 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.039 to be coming to city Council to talk about, you know, 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.520 all the work we've done the last year anyway, So 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.400 we're actually we're getting what. We're not waiting a month 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.720 to have a conversation about what the reaction is. We're 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.120 actually going to get real time. Here's what happened, here's 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.119 how it's put out, Here's where we need to do better. 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.200 This is the first time that I think we've had 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.280 a pretty successful reaction to the. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.520 Snow emergency in many, many years. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.520 And so yeah, there's a little some little things that 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.640 are fonts in the cracks, but on the whole, it's 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:23.120 looking good. 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:24.640 And I think the fact that we're open to the 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.440 feedback and criticism is really critical as well, because for. 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.240 Too long, you know, the answer was just well, when 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.240 you're not every sheet can get plotted, and that's just 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:34.400 not an acceptable answer. 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.760 And this year we're not accepting that as an answer. 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.040 And I'm happy about that as well. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:39.520 You should be. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.760 I mean that this was the feather in your cap 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.360 to get this done. There is going to be some 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.560 rough patches as you roll this thing out. I think 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.000 most people understand it and appreciate it, but it's moving 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.640 in the right direction. And the last year, council Member 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.320 Seth Walsh, what was happening behind the scenes relative to 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.600 personnel changes, disciplinary actions, the failures addressed last year? What 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.440 what you to the last three hundred plus days. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.359 Well, since the snow emergency, I mean you saw some 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.920 of the reporting that came out right afterwards, you know, 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.400 immediately we were trying to figure out what was happening, 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:14.840 Why did we have such a terrible reaction to the 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:15.680 snow emergency? 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.480 And lifted up the hood and we I mean we 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:23.560 found a multitude of problems, and so they moved Assistant city. 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.680 Manager Kathy Bailey over DPS and she really dug in 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.960 on figuring out what happened, what support needed to be 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.200 better put in place, what systems need to be fixed. 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.680 They found over forty four different areas and let me 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.520 stress areas not like issues. 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.000 So each area had its own issues that needed. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.640 To get fixed within it that they spent the last 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.000 three hundred plus days fixing. 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.600 The DPS director at the time retired. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.160 We brought in Mark Riley, who has been fantastic, I 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.080 mean he was texting me this morning, giving me real 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.320 time updates of what was going on on the streets, 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.880 really making sure that we had this figured out. You know, 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.640 they found out within the first couple of days of 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.000 the emerge to see that we didn't touch six hundred streets, 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.400 and they've spent the last year really going through that 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.720 and redesigning all these snow routes. They've brought in all 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.240 this new technology, but also they haven't. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:10.600 We haven't solved all four to four. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.720 Of these issues yet because those are some massive issues 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.320 that we're solving. So we've solved the immediate problems and 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.880 then like today, we find you know, we got sixty 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.720 percent of the way there on the snowplow tracker. We 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.080 didn't expect as many people to be watching it as possible, 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:23.360 so we got to do better and we're going to 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.200 fix that for the next time. And there's other issues 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.320 we're going to continue to work on. But the real 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.480 big stuff is, you know, we have a plan to 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.640 actually pile the streets. And again, you're from Buffalo, off 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.880 from Michigan. Most of this comes down and you pre 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.880 treat it and then you plow it. And we literally 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.000 we're sending our crews out to Denver saying, how do 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:41.040 you take care of your streets? 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:42.880 You guys want to handle this, and then we're taking 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.360 their businesses. We don't need to reinvent the wheel, and 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:46.440 I think you see that today. 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.640 Yeah, yeah, you look at the areas that get a 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.440 lot of snow and go, Okay, we don't need to 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.920 replicate that, but we need to learn best practices to 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.000 handle things here in Cincinnati. Seth makes a lot of 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:57.360 It makes a lot of sense. Did you add more 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:58.640 plod drivers this year? 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.679 Yeah? So we actually, you know, it sounds crazy, but 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.560 we actually created a system where everybody is now that 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.120 would drive a plow is actually trained to drive a 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.959 plow instead of last time where we were literally putting 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.800 people behind the wheel for the first time ever. I've 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.040 actually just seen two snowplows in the last like thirty seconds, 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:18.400 which is a great sign here. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.160 So you know, last time part of the problem. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.439 If you if you can imagine, we were literally putting 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.280 people behind the wheel for the first time, giving them 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.079 a binder with map quest like directions to say, hey, 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.720 here's where you got to drive. They were driving in 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.239 the middle of a blizzard at night, with like flashlights 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.360 in their mouths to figure out where they had to go. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.480 I mean, that's just chaotic and that's a mess, and 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.199 that's the reason we saw the disaster we saw. Now 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.680 these everybody who's driving a snowplow today that you see 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.240 out there has actually gone through simulations. They've been trained 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.600 on how to drive. We've brought people in who had 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.880 the appropriate trainings. We've been sentivized people to. 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:53.719 Get trained on how to do it. And they're out 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:54.840 there and they're doing a great job. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.880 And I think that day is going to continue to 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.000 show over the months and years ahead, have some really 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:01.440 positive returns for the city. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.120 Yeah, and it's investing in that critical infrastructure. You know, 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:05.719 you can talk about all those bells and whistles and 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.280 nice stuff, but if the roads aren't plowed and the 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.760 roads aren't full of potholes, that's another issue that was 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.959 addressed to in the last year, then you're gonna have 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.280 very unhappy residents. So it's good to hear that this 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.640 has now become a big priority with you and the 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:19.320 rest of council. 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:19.679 Seth. 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:21.600 I think a tip of the hat. If the roads 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.640 are is good and you're you're driving around right now, well, 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.840 somebody's driving you around, so I'm gonna make it like 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:27.840 you're on the phone. By the way, I would if 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:29.560 I were that person, I'd be demanding you buy them 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.600 breakfast if you haven't already. 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:33.719 And also the. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.440 Other thing too is breakfast. 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.760 It is the most important meal of the day. Also, 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:41.640 that the twelve hour ships are new, is that correct? 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.640 Say that again, the twelve hour ships? Yeah, I think 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.160 was it twenty four hour coverage? And you know there 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.440 was a huge burnout issue because I remember, you know, 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:54.480 news would be talking to people who are driving a 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.160 truck for twenty four straight hours being snowblind. And now 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.480 you've kind of even changed the way that the ships 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.720 are scheduled, right, Yeah. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.480 I mean, so we got we put them on twelve 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.000 hour shifts. There's a select crew that's on twelve hour 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.559 shifts when the weather starts to change. But in emergencies 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:11.760 like this, we put people on the twelve hour shifts. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.199 And you know, emergency I think is a very loose 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:15.679 word for what we're dealing with today. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:17.840 But yeah, they're on twelve hour shifts. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.800 They're hard work, and they were out all night again 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.079 yesterday they were pre treating watching that on the snowploud 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.560 tracker cool, and I think that's really important that you 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.400 can see your roads got appreciated and then today you 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.520 can see hopefully you know, as the day progressage of 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.840 they'll see your roads goot plowed and them they're they're 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:34.720 hard workers. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.360 And none of this problem has ever been the drivers. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.720 The problem has been the system we set up has 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:40.240 failed them. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.040 And I think for the first time they're they're set 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:43.439 up for success and we're seeing that. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.520 We know Seth Walsh that the tracker only activates during 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.960 full winter response operations. What you call that like for 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.600 example the snow just remindfully, what's the threshold for that? 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:53.440 Who makes the call? 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.560 And we didn't have one during the dusting is I 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.000 think we had a conversation about that as well. We'll 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.000 change eventually to where any snow event where the roads 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.320 are treated will least snow where they're doing their job. 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.679 Oh well, I don't want to talk too far out 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:11.280 of school on this one, but I think that that 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.599 was a little bit of some bureaucratic speak when we 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:14.640 gave that answer. 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.719 I think this is again part of how we were 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:17.560 learning and growing. 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.400 So last time when we had the dusting the reason 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.000 that the snowplow tractor wasn't working is there weren't snowplows 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.360 out there. And shortly before you and I had our 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.760 last call about this, one of the things I challenged 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.400 them on was, hey, we're pre treating streets like show people. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:31.960 We're pre treating streets so you don't have to have 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.679 a snowplow out there. And you see this time again, 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.839 you can track the pre treating in your streets on there. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.160 They reacted quickly, they made the adaptions. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:39.360 They move forward. 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:43.199 So I think the appropriate answer how you track snowplows 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.679 is if there's a snowplow snowpower out there, you should 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.760 be able to track it. And if that is pre 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.920 treating your street, if that is power your street, we 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:50.240 want to. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:51.400 Be able to track the snowpower. 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.040 If you can't track it outside of the situation like 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.600 today where there's too many people watching it, you can't 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.920 track it, it's because there's no snowplow out there. And 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.880 then you can ask us why is it not snowplowt there. 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:02.440 We'll probably say it's because it's a sunny day and 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:03.960 there's not no reason for one. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:05.400 That's the hope at least. 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:06.880 Yeah, well right exactly. 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:08.240 I mean, if there's a threat, as we know, you 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.400 know Cincinnati's, we freak out the minute there's even the 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.360 forecast of snow. We start driving with our hazards on. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.880 We pump our brakes. Some people drive sixty miles over 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.800 the speed limits and people thirty miles under the speed limit. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.920 It's chaos out there before the first flake even flies. 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.600 I think having that system in place, when that's part 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.199 of it's like, hey, l roads are treated. There's a 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.520 little bit of comfort there knowing that you guys are on. 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:30.640 I think it's a good ad for the competence of 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:31.040 the city. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.920 I agree, and I think it's going to be critical 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.360 as schools have to make decisions about whether they're gonn 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:38.200 to be open or closed. 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.000 You know, they have to build trust the city. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:40.880 Is going to be able to do their job and 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.959 get the streets plowed, and the part of city. 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:46.320 Government is rebuilding that trust. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.400 What happened last year was big in the sense of 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.520 is ten inches, but it's been an issue that's been 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.080 building a building building for years and so hopefully this 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.040 allows not only have streets clear, but to be able 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.480 to get schools open appropriately. Build trust that we were 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.000 ready for, and it just kind of ripples out from 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:03.439 there so that you know, jobs. 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.160 Aren't interrupted and people can continue their lives even though 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:07.240 snow's coming down. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.280 They get enjoy the beauty of watching the snow as 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:10.640 opposed to worry about driving in it. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:11.240 Yeah. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.520 The other element of this too, you kind of touched 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.920 down a little bit, is the prioritization of streets. Obviously, 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.120 the arteries, the ones that get you to the hospitals 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.800 for example, campuses, things like that, those have to be 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.280 cleared for emergency runs and the like. Side streets get deprioritized. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.600 But what is a reasonable wait for people listening this 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.400 morning seth wallsh relative to their street being cloud. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:31.680 Yeah. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.640 I think the biggest way I'd say it is, you know, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.440 right off the bat, we've got to clear the arteries, 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.680 and to your point, you know, cancer not cancer hospitals 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.200 are really important because people need to be able to 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.440 get to and fro there from there. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:43.840 From there, we. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.560 Kind of spread out to you know, the streets that 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.800 most people are traveling on. You probably know what they 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.280 are because you're probably driving on them. And then once 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.200 the snow really kind of stops, it allows us to 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:58.160 start tackling and triage in the side streets, but immediately 0:14:58.160 --> 0:14:59.840 when the snow's coming down, we're trying to get those 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.160 the main arteries, the main emergency roads, the main roads 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.440 people are going to be driving on as clear as possible. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.600 We just keep hitting them and then I'm gonna show's over. 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.160 We're gonna go out there, We're gonna hit the side 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.360 streets and get those clear because that's a lot easier 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.040 to just hit it once or twice and then it's 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:13.800 completely solved. 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:15.680 Yeah, And I love the you know, the when the 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.640 apps up and fully working should be for the next 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.640 cycle here, then you're gonna be there's gonna be accountability. 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.560 You can see that where the roads are, when they've 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.640 been treated, when they've been plowed, where they've been salted 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.200 and plowed. There's a whole bunch of metrics on the page. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.320 And that's a step in the right direction for sure. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.440 I know, a little glitchy this morning with that website 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.880 not working at times, a little slow to load, but 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.120 you're confident you're going to get this taken care of 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:38.880 for the next round. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.680 I'm I'm very confident and I'm I'm optimistic that going 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.680 forward it will not be a thing in Cincinnati where 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.400 you say my street never gets plowed. If your street 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.560 doesn't get plowed, it should be for other reasons like 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.880 it's a private street, not because it's subsidious and Snati 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:54.760 street and we just don't plow it. And I think 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.400 that'd be a huge change that hopefully you don't even 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:58.160 realize happened. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.080