1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: My guest right now is one of rock and Roll's 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: all time greatest drummers. He's appearing at Irwin's Lamp Theater 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: with six Guns Sally on Saturday the twenty ninth. He's 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: played with Vanilla Fudge, Rod Stewart, Ozzie, Jeff Beck. The 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: list goes on and on. It's a pleasure to talk 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: to Carmen Apaci or or maybe it's a piece Carmen. I. 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: I've gone back and forth since I was a kid 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: on how to pronounce your name. 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: Straighten it out. 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 3: Carma Carmi Italian named Carmen, not Carmon. 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: Well, I thought I got that almost right, But what 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: about the last name? 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 4: A piece? 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm I'm out for two and I apologize much 15 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: respect for you. 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 5: But problem, I can't believe I'm still going through that. 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 5: My brother, my brother confused everybody when I was at 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 5: Rock Carmen. 19 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: A piece, brother. 20 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: Well, and your Wikipedia says that, but gee, not that 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: that's the definitive source. 22 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, God knowsers put that in there. I didn't 23 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: even look at that stuff. Well, nice to talk to you. 24 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: No, nice to talk to you in a real, real pleasure. 25 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: And I don't know where to start with your career. 26 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: But let's go basic. What makes you different from other 27 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: great drummers? Because the styles can differ so much, can't they. 28 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: I always say I'm the original. I think that's fair 29 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: pretty much pretty much it. 30 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 5: You know, when I came on to seeing people were 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 5: playing drums lightly, I came on and beat the hell 32 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 5: out of the drums. I was a beast as a 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 5: monsoon when I was a kid. And you know, they 34 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 5: got me in the led Zeppelin movie playing on the 35 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 5: s Sullivan Show for a second, And you know. 36 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: That's what I created. 37 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 5: I created power drumming, you know, heavy power drumming and 38 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 5: everything you know from double bass drums. And I wrote 39 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 5: drum books and the clinics, and I taught people. So 40 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 5: a lot of the stuff that's going on today came 41 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 5: from what I sawted back fifty years ago. 42 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: You know, no, I'll buy all of that for sure. 43 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: And I want to talk about some of the guys 44 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: you played with. You played with Jeff Beck, an all 45 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,919 Speaker 1: time great on the guitar. 46 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: What was that like? How was that partnership? 47 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 5: Well, back in those days, Jeff beck wasn't a big 48 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 5: solo water so we were equal. 49 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: Bill was Beck pogetting the piece. So we were just 50 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: as big as Jeff and it was it was a 51 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: lot of fun. But he was you know, he had 52 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 3: his video Christ secrecies. 53 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 5: You know, like one day we were we were in 54 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 5: Europe and now you're actual. 55 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: We were in Atlanta. 56 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 5: We got off to breakfast and there were times of 57 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 5: sound checks and to me, I said. 58 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: Well, Jeff went home. He went home, you know. So 59 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 3: Jeff was known for crazy stuff like that, but he 60 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: was a good guy. I loved Jeff. We had some 61 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: great times together. We did. 62 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 6: Uh. 63 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 5: Last year we released a Beck Poge in the Piece 64 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 5: live box set, you know, which came out really well. 65 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 5: And uh, we have some new stuff on their horizon 66 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 5: that we're looking at releasing. 67 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: And you know, I love Jeff. He was like a brother, 68 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: you know. 69 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: Now you had a great one with Rod's Stewart didn't 70 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: And don't you still playing kind of a Rod Stewart 71 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: tribute band with other guys he used to play with Rod. 72 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't call it a tribute band because 73 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 3: I'm in it. 74 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: No, No, it's your band, just with a different singer. 75 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 3: It's a show. It's a show. It's a show. 76 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 5: It's called we're changing the name to Rod the show, 77 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 5: and I tell stories about how songs. 78 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: Happen, how this happened, how that happened, and. 79 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 5: Uh, we're developing it more into a show with like 80 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 5: an inshow that's going to have a historical history about 81 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 5: Rod and building up to me playing with Rod and 82 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 5: Catcher as a sax Payer play with you too, and 83 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 5: it's a great show to a tremendous show. 84 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: Everywhere we go people love it. 85 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 5: That's how I met Dave, who's band I'm playing with 86 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 5: Sixpence Sally. He that we did a show together and 87 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 5: so he loved us. He just came to see us 88 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 5: in September. He said, man, the show changed so much. 89 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 5: Is really a show now? And I took it. You know, 90 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 5: people called it a tribute. I didn't like it because 91 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 5: you know, attributed some day that they are tributing somebody. 92 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: But I was in. 93 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 5: It was I recorded, I wrote, I played on the road. 94 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 5: We have the sentences of the band. I sold millions 95 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 5: of albums with Rod, So it wasn't really a tribute 96 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 5: to me. 97 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 3: It was my life. It was my band, so in 98 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: that anyway, So they. 99 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: Had no in that Vandcarmine I mean, you co wrote 100 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: Rod's biggest tid ever. Do you think I'm sexy? Kind 101 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: of a disco song? How did that song come about? 102 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: That was an amazing leap for Rod and it was 103 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: just such a perfectly constructed song. 104 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 5: Well, it started with he was stated the band, I 105 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 5: want a song like Missing You by the Rollly Songs. 106 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 3: So everybody went home and did it. And I went 107 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 3: home and did it. 108 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 5: And I went to my friend Dwayne Ditching's house, he 109 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 5: was another co writer, and we put it together on 110 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 5: his little studio and we wrote the bridge and everything. 111 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 5: Rod loved it, and that was it, you know, and 112 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 5: then we produced. Tom Daut produced it. You know, before 113 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 5: he put all the strings and everything on. We had 114 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,799 Speaker 5: three guitar, bass, drums, and keyboard man. They sounded powerful 115 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 5: and things sound like disco. But then he did all 116 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 5: this other stuff on it. Who could argue when we 117 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 5: went to number one in fifteen countries, you know? 118 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 3: So now I can't argue. 119 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: That A week from Saturday, your guesting with six Guns 120 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: Sally at the Lamp Theater in Erwin. What will you 121 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: be doing at that show? Six Gun Sally they're kind 122 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: of part rock, part country. They're local, but they're kind 123 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: of going national too. 124 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, they're we're gonna do some of my songs. We're 125 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 5: gonna do Hot Legs and Superstition and two other songs. 126 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do a bit of a drum solo. 127 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 5: And you know, like I said, I met them, we 128 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 5: did a gig together. I thought they were really really good. 129 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 5: I really liked the female singer Amy, she was awesome. 130 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 5: And they're, like, you know, really good musicians. And like 131 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 5: you said, they're local, but they're making some noise on 132 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 5: the country charts. They got a lot of couple of 133 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 5: million streams on Spotify, you know. 134 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: So I'm glad to help them. 135 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 4: You know. 136 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 5: It's like to be fun. I like to do stuff 137 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 5: like that. I've done that stuff ult in my life, 138 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 5: I did. I remember I did a on show like 139 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 5: that with Molly Hatchett one time, you know, and a 140 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 5: couple other bands like that. So for me, it's a 141 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 5: lot of fun is I get to play with different 142 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 5: musicians and get to do something out of the ordinary for. 143 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: Me, you know. 144 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 5: So this will be my last gig of the year, 145 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 5: and then we start up again next year with The 146 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 5: Rod Show. On actually Rod's birthday, we're playing in Florida. 147 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: You know. And yeah, so I'm just having a good time. 148 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 4: You know. 149 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 5: As I'm getting older, you know that I'm I don't 150 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 5: have to be on tour tours anymore, you know, I don't. 151 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 5: I really liked on our tour tours. 152 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: I don't like. I'd rather play in a theater than 153 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 3: an arena. 154 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 5: I just played with Robbie Kreeger in La at the 155 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 5: three theaters like six eight thousand people. 156 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: I play the shirts. 157 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 5: I like playing a theater with a thousand people better 158 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 5: because you can really see everybody, you know, really can 159 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 5: really connect. 160 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 3: Let's put it that way. 161 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: It's going to be at the Lamp Theater, a venue 162 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: that is and uh and like like you mentioned, you're 163 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: you're seventy eight, which is amazing because playing the drums 164 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: is so physically demanding, Carmine, especially the way you play. 165 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: Them, and what out of doubt. 166 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 5: Right right now, I'm sitting with a with a bit 167 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 5: of a back ache, just worked out, you know. But uh, 168 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 5: you know, it's just uh, just what I do. You know, 169 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 5: I live in Florida. People said you played golf. I said, no, 170 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 5: I played drums. 171 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: Carmen. 172 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: You mentioned that you were the first to play the 173 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: way you play, which I I wholeheartedly agree. And I 174 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: got to go back to Vanilla Fudge the beginning of 175 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: your career. You guys practically invented psychedelic rock, and by extension, 176 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: I think invented heavy metal. 177 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 5: I I know that's what they say, but we did 178 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 5: in a way because we were really heavy. 179 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 3: I mean, you were really you know. 180 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 5: The the sound was fat, you know, but we had dynamics, 181 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 5: you know, some big sat heavy sounds here, a sweet, 182 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 5: beautiful sound. 183 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: You know. Vanella Fudge is unique. 184 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 5: And we've still got three out of four guys and 185 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 5: we're still doing gigs, which is amazing, you know. And uh, 186 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 5: you know, I've been lucky. I got to play all 187 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 5: different kinds of music, you know. I get to play 188 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 5: the Nellphis and my good Cactus. We have an album 189 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 5: coming out in March. It has all these different people 190 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 5: on it, now De Schneider and Ted Nugan and Billy 191 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 5: Sheen and this one and that one. And we're going 192 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 5: to do a gig I believe in uh in the 193 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 5: Midwest for Tunnel to Towers, you know, the charity, right, 194 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 5: and we're gonna make it a big deal and We're 195 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 5: gonna release our album at the same time and go 196 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 5: out and play with like four or five shows as 197 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 5: the Cactus All Stars, with different people like Billy Sheen, 198 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 5: Bubble Foot, Pat Travers, Eric Gales, just a whole bunch 199 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 5: of different people. And then the big gig will be 200 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 5: the one with all the big guys, and that's the 201 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 5: one that will go to tower Tunnel to Towers. You know, 202 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to it because you know, Number one, 203 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 5: I love Cactus. 204 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: We're playing blues. We did pick Tack a song and 205 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: we did the wrestling about blues. Really did. Some songs 206 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: were all kinds of people. 207 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 5: We got from bunch of Roses, we got Dunne, some 208 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 5: Kings actually got Rudy Fonzo, got. 209 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: Pacy Guns, all kinds. 210 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 5: Of people and we did one last year and it 211 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 5: broke into Blue charts at number three on Billboards. 212 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: I said, wow, I. 213 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 5: Haven't been on the charts in nineteen eighty nine, you know. 214 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 5: But I'm having a good time to have a studio 215 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 5: in my house, so you know, I start things over here. 216 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 5: We just we just produced the King Kobra song for 217 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 5: Cleo Patrick Rocords. 218 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: They're doing an album called Hair supply. 219 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 5: Everybody does an air supply song, but they're an eighties band, right, 220 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 5: so the hair supply is the name. 221 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: Of the album. So they gave us a song to do. 222 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 5: We just did a killer rendition of the song called 223 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 5: changes Chances Chances, and we put an orchestra on. It's 224 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 5: really good. And I started off in my studio. I 225 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 5: got my drums, say, I never moved the drums stay here. 226 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 5: We walked through the garage into the guest house in 227 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 5: my studio. Right. 228 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: So I'm having a good time. 229 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: Carmie. It's a cliche question, but what do you consider 230 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 2: your best work? 231 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: If you had to pick an album, a song or 232 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: two to define Carmine a piece, what would it be. 233 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 3: It's so hard, everything's so different. 234 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 5: I mean. I did an album in the nineties called 235 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 5: Guitar Zeus unless you ever heard of it. 236 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 3: I had major guitar players on it. I had Brian 237 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: May and Slash and. 238 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 5: Vey and Ted nu Journal and uh just look it 239 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 5: up on the doule and some of my best workers. 240 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 5: I wrote it with my buddy Kelly. We wrote it, 241 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 5: produced it, went out on the road with it, gett 242 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 5: it worldwide, deals in Japan and the Kaitars Japan, Katarz's Korea, 243 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 5: you know, and then Blue Murder was great. 244 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I can't really can it down. 245 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: Carmine, Thank you so much for doing this. It's a 246 00:10:58,800 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: big deal for me. 247 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: I've always enjoyed your work and I finally know for 248 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: sure now how to pronounce your name directly from you. 249 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: So Carmine a piece again. Thanks and we'll see you 250 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: on the twenty ninth. 251 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 3: Okay, are you gonna be there? 252 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: I will do good. 253 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: I'll talk to you more about the Cactus record. 254 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: Can't wait to see if that's car minor piece. And 255 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: like I said, he's appearing with six Guns Sally at 256 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: the Lamp Theater on Saturday the twenty ninth, And I 257 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: mean what he's the Governor drummer. Just incredible and I 258 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: probably just fonnd over him too much. Did the hero talk. 259 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: But that's how I feel about great musicians from that era, 260 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: of which he decidedly is one. We got Ryan Grays 261 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: talking the Penguins defenseman. He'll join us at the bottom 262 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: of the hour. Up next, we're supposed to do calls 263 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: on the fifteens. Maybe that's a dead idea, but you 264 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: can call now. Eight three to three four one two 265 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: w xdx, eight three to three four one two w 266 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: xdx Tomorrow nights stun Trophy White Owes Monday to I 267 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: can't even quote the big O'boski wrightbe. 268 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: I don't know if you could tell, but I was 269 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: nervous for that. 270 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: It's a big deal for me to talk to little 271 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: rock guy like Carmine Apiece. 272 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: Now I know how to pronounce it. 273 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: And everybody's gone back and forth forever because of his 274 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: brother too. Benny A piece played with THEO and Black Sabbath, 275 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: but and I thought he was mad at first. Maybe 276 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: he was, but he mellowed out. But for the record, 277 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: Carmine a piece. I can't believe I mangled Carmen and 278 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: I knew it was Carmen. I'm just, like I said, nervous. 279 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: We got Ryan Graves of the Penguins on at the 280 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: bottom of the eye. Right now, we're taking calls on 281 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 1: the fifteen, so there's still time to dial in a 282 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: three three four one two wxdx. 283 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: Let's go to Jerry in Murraysville. 284 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: Jerry, you're on with double M Mark. 285 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 7: I always wondered why a salary tap has to come 286 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 7: with a salary floor. It doesn't strike is something that 287 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 7: there's a law that no law. 288 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: But it totally makes sense. 289 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: Okay, if you didn't have a floor, the players could 290 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: get really screwed because you're limiting the earnings on the top, 291 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: but but not saying how little they can be paid. 292 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, Brov, I mean do math? I mean 293 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: did you did you pass arithmetic? 294 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? 295 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 7: I mean the The one thing I thought was that 296 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 7: that was what you would have to do to get 297 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 7: to get a player's contract signed. You know, a union contract. 298 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: No, you got dude, it's mathematics. If you have a cap, 299 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: you have to have a floor. The players get totally 300 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: screwed with the cap, but not a floor, totally screwed. 301 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 7: Oh no, I understand that. But what could they do 302 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 7: other than in the in the not. 303 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: Play, not play, not sign the CBA? 304 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: Goodbye, dummy. Let's go to Jimmy and West toast. I mean, 305 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: my god, Jimmy, you're on with Mark? 306 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 4: Hey, save it's one six six? How are you on today? Hey? 307 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 6: So I'm going to get soon And I don't know 308 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 6: do you call ahead to book the reservations at the buffets? 309 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 4: And like the Golden Steer and why I don't generally. 310 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: Go to buffets, brav. 311 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm even even before this diet, which is 312 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: working so well away on eighty, I kind of ditch 313 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: the buffets, although I do have a weakness locally for 314 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: the Eaton Park brunch and breakfast buffet. But I just 315 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: do all protein bacon and eggs and sausage. But but yeah, 316 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean, Golden Steer, you got to call ahead. 317 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: The buffets not so much. 318 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: And he with the buffets, the only buffet really well 319 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: that I know of, still worth going to a Caesar's palace. 320 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: Most of them have shut down, and all you do 321 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: there is pay extra to jump to the front of 322 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: the line. Thank you for the call. Yeah, the geno thing, 323 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that again more later today and 324 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: tomorrow as well. But you know him saying he doesn't 325 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: want to play for any team but Pittsburgh, not Florida, 326 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: not Colorado. We all thought he'd go to Florida because 327 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: he has a home there that puts the pen wasn't 328 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: a bad spot. You gotta move on from him. You 329 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: gotta turn the page at some point, and you're gonna 330 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: the most important You're gonna block ben kindall from being 331 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: the number two center. 332 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: You can't do that. 333 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: You can't make in with checking center what I would do, 334 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: and SI don't want Gino to come back, no question. 335 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: If Gino wants to, I'd say the said, Okay, Gino 336 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: can come back. He's on your wing, and that way 337 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: we don't block kindle. You want to do nostalgia, you 338 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: carry the burden, but don't tell me you want Geno back, 339 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: but you don't want to play with them seriously, and 340 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: I respect those three guys, you know, as this group 341 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: that did so much here and won so much, but 342 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: you gotta turn the page. 343 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: Up. 344 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: Next, defenseman Ryan Graves joins us it's the best hockey 345 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: talking Ton and it's here on one oh five nine 346 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: the X. It's the Woody Show weekday morning six to ten. 347 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: Twenty driver and I just love good VXE. 348 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: The Penguins get back in action tomorrow night at home 349 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: against Minnesota. Joining me now from the Penguins, it's defenseman 350 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: Ryan Graves. Ryan, thanks for taking the time. What was 351 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: the trip to Sweden like besides the hockey? What were 352 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: some of the highlights? 353 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks for having me. Fantastic trip. What a beautiful city. 354 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 6: I had never been to Stockholm or Sweden before. I've 355 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 6: been to Finland for the World Cup. We've team Canada 356 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 6: a few years ago and really enjoyed it. Stockholm was 357 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 6: like even a stuff above that. The city was beautiful, 358 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 6: the food was great, people were so nice, the city 359 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 6: was really clean. I think everyone really enjoyed themselves. 360 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: Now, you guys weren't very good on Friday in that 361 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: overtime loss, but then a lot better on Sunday. 362 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: What triggered such a turnaround? 363 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: Ryan? 364 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: It felt almost like a reset. 365 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 6: I mean, I think a game like Friday can trigger 366 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 6: a good game like Sunday. I think we were really 367 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 6: upset with how we played on Friday, especially with the 368 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 6: magnitude of you spent all the time and the effort 369 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 6: to try all over there, and I know those tickets 370 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 6: were expensive and fans travel and things like that, and 371 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 6: you kind of not that the game was that bad. 372 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 6: I know, like we went to overtime and things like that, 373 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 6: but we weren't happy with how we played. So I 374 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 6: think that that just stung a little bit, and I 375 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 6: think that we really took that as a chance to 376 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 6: reset and put in a really good effort on Sunday, 377 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 6: which you're happy with. 378 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: You started the season in Wilkes. 379 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: Not a great experience for an NHL veteran, But what 380 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: good did you take away from that experience? 381 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean a lot. I think obviously that's a 382 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 6: tough day when you first kind of get that call 383 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 6: that that's kind of happened. You're gonna go on waivers. 384 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 6: It's to be honest, it's a hard day. But you 385 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 6: have a kind of a choice at that time if 386 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 6: you want to astall can go down there and complain 387 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 6: and and really just kind of give in, and you'll 388 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 6: probably end up being there for the remainder of your contract, 389 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 6: where you can take it as an opportunity to kind 390 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 6: of reflect and also chance to work at your game, 391 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 6: and that's kind of your way out of that situation. 392 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 6: So I took it as that and really took it 393 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 6: as an opportunity to play a lot of minutes playing 394 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 6: situations that I don't play in the NHL and just 395 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 6: and kind of try to improve my game and in 396 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 6: a sense find the game that I've had previous in 397 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 6: previous seasons that has brought me success and has allowed 398 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 6: me to play a lot of games in this league. So, 399 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 6: like I said, you can kind of take it one 400 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 6: of two ways. And I think having high end there 401 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 6: as well was kind of the same attitude of We're 402 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 6: going to take this on in the best way possible 403 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 6: and put that put all the effort in to try 404 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 6: to improve and to try to get back to the NHL. 405 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: Well, clearly it did you some good because you're playing 406 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: real well since returning. What do you feel like you're 407 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: doing better or different? You talk about your game changing 408 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: and improving. Can you put your finger on what. 409 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 6: I appreciate that. I don't think it's one in particular thing. 410 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 6: I think that I've gained a little bit of confidence 411 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 6: with my time there, just the way that I was 412 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 6: able to play and kind of just playing a lot 413 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 6: and working to situations and things like that, and trying 414 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 6: to take that game that where I had success down 415 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 6: there and trying to translate it to the role that. 416 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 4: I'll play in the NHL. So I think it's just. 417 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 6: An accumulation of small things and a little bit more 418 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 6: confidence and just trying to attack the game that you're 419 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 6: not You're not trying to to play. 420 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 4: Not to lose. 421 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 6: You're kind of trying to attack the moment and take 422 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 6: advantage of it and almost like it's a second opportunity 423 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 6: to just show what I can do. 424 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw that not too long ago. 425 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: Eric Carlson talked about Mike Sullivan asking players to do 426 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: what they couldn't do. I don't want knock Selly here, 427 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: but did that perhaps apply to you? And does what 428 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: Dan Newes wants perhaps provide a better fit? 429 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, I saw Carl's comments. I think it's I think 430 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 6: that there's been some things with views that have really 431 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 6: helped a lot of guys. I think that there's been 432 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 6: an atmosphere change that is really noticeable in the room. 433 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 4: I don't know if fans can. 434 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 6: See that or if you can see that as media 435 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 6: kind of around the group, but I think that the 436 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 6: culture of how our group is this year is really upbeat, 437 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 6: a lot of energy, guys are having fun. Obviously we're winning, 438 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 6: so that helps that. But I don't know, to be honest, 439 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 6: I think that's just like the whole situation of what 440 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 6: I've gone through this year is really transformed how I'm 441 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 6: thinking about the game and how I'm attacking. 442 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 4: It and how I want to play. 443 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 6: So I don't know, it's I would never speak badly 444 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 6: about a former player, coach. I think that everyone who's 445 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 6: in this league deserves to be in this league for 446 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 6: a reason. And I think that there's been a lot 447 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 6: of positives under muse. 448 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: Let's stay with something you touched on there a bit. 449 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: It seems like the team's got younger and the kids 450 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: that provide a different energy. 451 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's just the 452 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 6: kids there, this isn't an energy around the group. I 453 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 6: think that even our older guys bring a lot of energy. 454 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 6: Like Sid loves the game, he's not He's not someone 455 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 6: that is I guess your typical veteran that's kind of 456 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 6: in and out. He's on the ice more than anybody. 457 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 4: He loves the game. 458 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 6: Carl has one of those personalities that he's super bubbly. 459 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 6: He's kind of like a big kid himself. So it's 460 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 6: kind of the whole energy is has been. 461 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 4: A lot better. 462 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 6: And I think that obviously there's some joking around with 463 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 6: the young guys and that brings some new some new 464 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 6: blood into the room and things look that. 465 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 4: I think it's a combination of everything. 466 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: One tangible thing Ryan is it's a bigger team. You 467 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: got that jumbo line with Gino now Kevin Hayes is 468 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: back in the lineup. Talk about that size and how 469 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: you guys are using that. 470 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's having side such an advantage that 471 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 6: I think that there's if there's guys like Gino and 472 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 6: braz and Hate that are big guys that and Maranta 473 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 6: that can play and play with the pocket as well. 474 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 4: It's not you don't just need size. 475 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 6: That's a big guy that I can't really play like you. 476 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 6: These guys all have skill as well, obviously Geno, but 477 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 6: I think the rest of them are not as noticed 478 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 6: obviously as Gino. And these guys can really play. It's 479 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 6: hard to defend, especially for defense that are a little 480 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 6: bit smaller. 481 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 4: We've got some size in the back end as well. 482 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 6: I know that the size that I that I have 483 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 6: is really taken. It's been a big part of the 484 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 6: success that I've had, So I think it's huge. And 485 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 6: if you have big guys that can play with the 486 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 6: fucking can skate, it's it's an advantage. 487 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about you and your size because maybe it's 488 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: just me, but it seems you're a bit more physical 489 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: than you were last year with the Penguins. 490 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: Is that is that conscious on your partner just kind 491 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 2: of organic. 492 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 6: I think organic. I think that there's things that play 493 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 6: into that. I'm trying to play with tight gaps and 494 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 6: in and shut down. 495 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 4: Plays early and really moving my feet. 496 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 6: And I said this a few times of like kind 497 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 6: of attacking the games as opposed to when the game 498 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 6: come to me. And I think when you're in that 499 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 6: mindset or in that situation, that situations presents themselves more 500 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 6: to be physical. So I think it's always been something 501 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 6: that I've felt as importance of my game, but definitely 502 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 6: this year I've been able to utilize it more. 503 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: Now after nineteen games, the team's off to a good start, 504 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: like in a playoff spot. 505 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 2: I mean it's early, but not that early. 506 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: If a team's in a playoff spot at Thanksgiving they 507 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: make it over seventy five percent of the time. What 508 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: has made this team, you know, do better? You talked 509 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: about some of that and can they keep it up? 510 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 4: I think we can. 511 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 6: I think that there's a lot of things that play 512 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 6: into it. Like I said, there's an energy around the 513 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 6: group that that's fun. 514 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 4: And you obviously have. 515 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 6: Guys in a friend of another teams he talks about 516 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 6: after games, and you get a lot of comments like 517 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 6: you guys are hard to play against, so. 518 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 4: You guys are fast things. 519 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 6: I think there's the way we play has brought up success, 520 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 6: and I think that the continue. I don't think it's 521 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 6: a fluke. It's not like we're getting out shot and 522 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 6: we're winning games or or I mean, our goalies have 523 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 6: been great, but they're not It's not like they're stealing 524 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 6: us every game and we're not deserving to win. I 525 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 6: think that through almost twenty games, it's it's gone a fluke. 526 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 6: So I definitely think that it's something that we have 527 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 6: the goal of being in the playoffs, definitely, and when 528 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 6: you have guys like our veteran guys that are top 529 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 6: players in this league, it's I know they have the 530 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 6: same goal and I think that it's realistic. 531 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: How's the goaltending U We saw morishef get his first 532 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: NHL shutout on Sunday, Jari's coming back from injury. 533 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: It's a fairly deep group. 534 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's been great to see. I love seeing 535 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 6: Jars do well. I think he's kind of had a 536 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 6: similar situation to me. I mean he had to go 537 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 6: to Wilkes for a bit last year and he was 538 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 6: great when he came back. 539 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 4: In the last season. He's rolled it over and started 540 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 4: this year. 541 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 6: And I have not opportunity to play with already that much, 542 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 6: but I mean he's been great the few games that 543 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 6: I've been with him. I've had the pleasure of playing 544 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 6: with Miershov and Wilkes. This guy's unbelievable as well as 545 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 6: work ethics crazy, He's super talented. I think it's just 546 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 6: kind of a typically iceberg for him. So yeah, I 547 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 6: love to see these guys do well, and it's been 548 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 6: a huge part of our success. 549 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: Finally, Ryan, Uh, you got back here? How do you 550 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 2: stay here? 551 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 6: I think a lot of the same. I'm just taking 552 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 6: it day by day. I think that I've put in 553 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 6: a lot of work with my time in Wilkes and 554 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 6: like I said, kind of the mindset and really trying 555 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 6: to work at it and to improve and to kind 556 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 6: of build something. And I'm just trying to transition it 557 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 6: into what will bring me success again in NHL. And 558 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 6: like I said, day by day, trying to piece together 559 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 6: good games and too to gain confidence and the gain 560 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 6: trust of the staff, things like that. I think it's 561 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 6: not one major thing, but accumulation of small things. 562 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 4: I am trying to focus on Ryan. 563 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: Great stuff. It's good to see you back. We'll see 564 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: at the game tomorrow night. Thanks again, I appreciate having me. 565 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 4: Thanks. 566 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: That's Ryan Grays and he's doing a lot better, doing 567 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: a lot better. And he didn't address the Carlson quote 568 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: about Sullivan directly. 569 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 2: Actually, I think he did earlier. 570 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: Today in an interview he did with Jason mackew the Post Gazette. 571 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 2: So maybe you want to check that out. 572 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: But that's for sure true, Okay, I mean Sally, And 573 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to make it seem like I'm ripping 574 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: Selly because he won two Stanley Cups for the team 575 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: I've supported since I was a boy. But he was 576 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: coaching last year like it was still the same team 577 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: as sixteen and seventeen, and especially with the defenseman like 578 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: one size fit all. Like Barkowski said earlier in the program, 579 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: those teams back then you had Schultzen Daily and Latang 580 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: and all the even Doomlin, who was at the bottom 581 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: end of the skill and speed stuff, he had amplements. 582 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 2: Of both things. 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I 637 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: didn't think he was a good fit, but it turns 638 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: out he it was just a bad fit for Mike 639 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: Sullivan's system. And that's not Knocknsali. But you can't do 640 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: one size fits all. You can't pretend it's twenty seventeen 641 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: when it's twenty twenty five. And Ryan Graves is definitely 642 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: prospered by the coaching switch. And that's just not me 643 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: saying that on behalf of a fringe player, and the 644 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: fringe player himself didn't say that directly. 645 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 2: This last segment. Eric Carlson said. 646 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: It something that didn't affect him, but talked about the 647 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: effect on other players like Graves and on much of 648 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: the group. It was just time for change. That's the 649 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: best way to put it. Let's go to Eric and Toledo. 650 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: Eric Askmark anything. 651 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 9: Hey, super genious. Hey, and yesterday's showed you had mentioned 652 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 9: that when you were working with Karl Malone back in 653 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 9: your WCW days that he was kind of a pain. 654 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 9: Could you elaborate on that a little bit? Was he 655 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 9: like very difficult or full of himself? 656 00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 4: What did you mean by that? 657 00:30:59,280 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? Full of him? 658 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 4: Just a dink. 659 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: Never let you forget he was Karl Malone. Dennis Raeman 660 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: could be one of the guys. Karl Malone, he wanted 661 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: to be one of the stars. And there's a difference. 662 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 4: Oh all right, thanks super Gina, Thank you. 663 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 2: Let's go to Dave in the Rocks. Dave, what up? 664 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 10: Listen to any yacht rock during your times with a 665 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 10: Connyeat Lake and episode? Do you like Christopher Cross or 666 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 10: do you have any preference? 667 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: No, I'd like to beat Christopher Cross with a mackerel 668 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: until he's unconscious. 669 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 4: And then your thoughts on that, I. 670 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 2: Do not like yacht rock proceed? What else? 671 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 4: You got? 672 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 3: Fair enough? 673 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 4: Fair enough? 674 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 5: How? 675 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 10: How how could you not re up Malcolm with how 676 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 10: he's played and we haven't dealt him like we should 677 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 10: have an eighteen? 678 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: Okay, what do you do with Ben Kendall? 679 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 10: Well, you won't want him playing wing obviously you would 680 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 10: want him on it. I mean he's on a pad 681 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 10: line stander, like you said, yep. 682 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: So what do you do with Ben Kindle if you 683 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: keep Gino playing with sid You just said he's not 684 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: a wake to play. 685 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: You just said he's not a wing. 686 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 10: Well, if you wouldn't make him a third line center, 687 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 10: you would have to put them on. 688 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: You do not retard the progress of your best forward 689 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: prospect for the sake of an old guy. You just don't. 690 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: I mean, what don't you get? What don't any of 691 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: you get? It's time to turn the goddamn page at 692 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: long last? 693 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 10: Fair enough. I wouldn't see him in a Florida Jersey anywhere. 694 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: He won't sign anywhere. 695 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: It's just he says that, he says that he's he's 696 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: playing the game in terms of getting a new deal here, 697 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: and he's playing it pretty well. 698 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 2: Let's go to Joe. Joe, ask Mark anything. 699 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 11: What I love what you've been talking about with the Tens. 700 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 11: But I want to get to that tomorrow. I'm one 701 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 11: of those people that have been anticipating a seven loss 702 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 11: or an eight and nine loss for the season for 703 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 11: the Steelers. What two games you think are guaranteed wins, 704 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 11: because if we only win two, that's it's gonna be 705 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 11: a seven and ten season. 706 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: Well, they're gonna be Cleveland unless Shador figures it out 707 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: by then, which he won't. 708 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: By the way, I'm gonna talk about this tomorrow. 709 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: I think it's unfair that Kevin Stefanski, a two time 710 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: NFL Coach of the Year, a great coach, a better 711 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: coach than Tom Win, and trade Tom Win for him 712 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: in a second, is being criticized and judged by how 713 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: he's handling a fifth round pick just because his last 714 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: name Sanders and he's Dion's kid. That's grotesquely unfair. But 715 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: in terms of guaranteed wins, I don't know. I don't 716 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: know how many guaranteed wins there are with this team period. 717 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's many guaranteed losses. I was gonna 718 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: say they're going to go to Detroit and get killed, 719 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: but Detroit's got and beat at home a couple times 720 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: in the last month of memory serves. 721 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 11: So at this point, the whole Seaton, the rest of 722 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 11: the season is up in hand. It could be a 723 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 11: seven and ten, eight and nine, it could be whatever 724 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 11: everyone else is helping. 725 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: I think I think eight to nine is more likely 726 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: than than ten and seven. 727 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: I think not and eights where it's going to land, though. 728 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: I think nine to eight because you know, coach T's 729 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: never had a losing season. 730 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 12: Let's go to a talkback, Hey, Mark, I just want 731 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 12: your thoughts on how you think the playoff race as 732 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 12: the NHL season continues to play out occurs, especially in 733 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 12: the Eastern Conference. Considering that every team except for Buffalo 734 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 12: is at five hundred or above right now, Obviously some 735 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 12: teams are going to start to pull away and some 736 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 12: may trend down. 737 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 3: I mean, we're already seeing that with the Maple Leafs. 738 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 12: But I'm curious your thoughts at the quarter away point 739 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 12: of the season. 740 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 4: Thank you well. 741 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: First off, they're not all over five hundred. That is 742 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: mathematically impossible. You're cunning overtime losses as non event. You're 743 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:52,919 Speaker 1: just comparing wins to regulation losses, overtime losses or losses too. 744 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: The way to make the playoffs is to go above 745 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: true five hundred, which is to have more wins than 746 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: losses total losses. At least that's my experience. But I 747 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: think the Eastern Conference is bad. I think the Metro 748 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: Division is worse. At the beginning of the season, I 749 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: would have said the Penguins had no chance to make 750 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: the playoffs. In fact, I didn't say that, But now 751 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: I think they could finish as high as second in 752 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: the Metro. I think the only thing beyond them team 753 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: beyond them rather is Carolina. 754 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 2: The Devils would use out. 755 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: I mean, they're better in the Penguins, but how much 756 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: ground will they lose and can they make it up 757 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: once Hughes gets back? So yeah, I think right now 758 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: the Penguins are a pretty good bet to make the playoffs. 759 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 2: Far from the lock, but a decent bet. But we're 760 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 2: only nineteen games in. 761 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: But if you get the Thanksgiving and you're in a 762 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: playoff spot, you make it seventy seven point five percent 763 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: of the time. Hey, if all the Tomlin Knights could 764 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: say never had a losing season, I can crow about 765 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: where the Penguins are at at Thanksgiving, which, let's not forget, 766 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: is a week away and they figure to be in 767 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 1: a playoff spot. 768 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: Let's go to Jude. 769 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: Hey, Jude, it doesn't matter, what do you want? 770 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 4: Mark? 771 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 8: I find myself going back and forth on this Sunday's 772 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 8: game similar to you. But the Bears do have a 773 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 8: top five offense, and I actually did know this. They 774 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 8: leave the league in turnover margin by a pretty substantial margin. 775 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 8: And you know, when the Steelers lose the turnover battle, 776 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 8: they pretty much never win. 777 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that basing your fortunes on takeaways is dicey 778 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: because you can't force them, like I was talking about 779 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: with Jerry Dulac before. But the Bears, I mean, their 780 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 1: offense worries me more than the takeaway thing. The Steelers 781 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: get takeaways as well, but their offense has power. 782 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 2: They could man handle the Steelers. 783 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: They could man handle the Steelers on both sides of 784 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: the ball except for Mount Washington and the safeties. 785 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the game's totally up for grabs. 786 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: I if you made me pick right the second I 787 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: picked the Bears in a close one. 788 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 3: What about you? 789 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 8: I you know, I kind of am hoping for that, honestly, 790 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 8: because if they lose this, there's a real chance they 791 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 8: lose you know, the next three, and. 792 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 4: Then they're really digging out a hole. 793 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 8: And to be honest with you, I'm just kind of 794 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 8: hoping for a losing season at this point. 795 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: Well, for a losing season could be the best thing 796 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: that happens for the organization, not because it sticks it 797 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: up Coach T's backside, but because once the bloom is 798 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: off that rose, maybe you can look at your team 799 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: a little more realistically in terms of trying to build 800 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: to a legitimate contender, not just finishing about five hundred. 801 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 2: That said, they won't do that. 802 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: All the Steelers I've ever cared about is the next game, 803 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: and it has been to their detriments. It sounds like 804 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: the right thing to do. It is not let's go 805 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: to Robin South Fayette. 806 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 4: Rob. What's up? 807 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 3: Hi? 808 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:37,959 Speaker 4: Mark? Are you doing great? 809 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 6: My question is, when everyone's healthy, if I want you 810 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 6: to have a surplus and goalies, what will they do 811 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 6: with that? And what should they do with that? 812 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: I think what they will do and should do probably coincide. 813 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: Even though he's probably the best goal in the system, 814 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: I would send more shot down and stick with the plan, 815 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: which was to let him dominate the AHL and be 816 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: that much more red when he gets to Pittsburgh for keeps. 817 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: That said, if Jari or Shiloff's got hurt and Morshoff 818 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: came up and you know, played out the season, at 819 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: some point, whether the injury is severe whatever, I would 820 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: have a problem with that. I think he is ready, 821 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: but how ready and ready to be? What a good 822 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: goalie or a dominant goalie. I will not have a 823 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: problem if they stick with their plan. Let's go to 824 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: a talkback. 825 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 4: Mark this is wrong from Cranberry. I know this. You're 826 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 4: always good with kids is. 827 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 7: When they call right though, And I was wondering, do 828 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 7: you think you'd ever be interested in rearing children of 829 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 7: your own? 830 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 2: And think it's a little late for that. 831 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm sixty four, But my big regret in life, seriously 832 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: is I don't have kids for sure. But part of 833 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: that's because I want someone to take care of me 834 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: like I did my mother and my grandmother. Doesn't seem 835 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: fair that I won't after what I did for them. 836 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: Not that I regret it. I shouldn't have said it. 837 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: That's noted bad, but you know what I mean. Let's 838 00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: go to one more talkback. 839 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 4: Mark Matt for mccannal was here. I know you're a 840 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 4: huge fan of music. 841 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,720 Speaker 6: Have you ever tried yourself to play a musical instrument? 842 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: I took some keyboard lessons to the kid. That was 843 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: an utter disaster. We had a piano in the living room. 844 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: Later on, just an organ in the living room. I 845 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: did not take to it. Tried, took a couple lessons, 846 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: just did not take to it. Wish I had. There's 847 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of regrets. I just said. 848 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 2: The one regret I have is that I didn't have kids. 849 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 1: I have a bunch of regrets so many you can't 850 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: mention them. The only thing I'm happy with in my 851 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: life is professional like I wish I had played a 852 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: musical instrument. I wish I had played a team sport 853 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: in high school. I think that's a great experience that 854 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: cannot be replaced, all right, as Mark Anything brought to 855 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: us by People's Natural Gas. Up next, brought to you 856 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: by the Steelers Pro Shop. Get a direct from the 857 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: team at shop dot Steelers dot com