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Speaker 1: Good to have in studio detective retired detective Jim Grindle,

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Speaker 1: who's written a book Homicide Investigation. In the interview, Jim,

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Speaker 1: good to have you in studio and to be able

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Speaker 1: And let me start by thanking you for your storied

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Speaker 1: career in law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: Well, I definitely appreciate that. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Happy to do it, man, And I told you before

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Speaker 1: when the mics came on. It's been my experience in

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Speaker 1: my coming up on sixty years that if you're sitting

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Speaker 1: across the table with a retired police officer or an

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Speaker 1: active police officer enjoying a beer, they're the best people

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Speaker 1: to talk with because they have the most outlangius and

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Speaker 1: crazy stories, real things that happened that never happened to

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Speaker 1: anybody else because of, you know, being involved with the

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Speaker 1: criminal element. It's just it's crazy what you have to

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Speaker 1: deal with over the years.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot of fun with the stories, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Oh I bet now you are not really retired right

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Speaker 1: now as I understand.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Actually, my career started back in nineteen seventy nine. Actively

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Speaker 2: retired in twenty thirteen, following twenty one years in investingations.

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Speaker 2: The spring Town Police Department has a program which allows

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Speaker 2: officers to come back and work in an auxiliary position.

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Speaker 2: We don't do any active enforcement, but we do a

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Speaker 2: lot of the paper pushing and things like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, fair enough, but you got it assaulted by a

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Speaker 1: fourteen year old the other day.

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Speaker 2: Well, he was autistic, And is this in the line

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Speaker 2: of duty?

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Speaker 1: This happened?

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Speaker 2: This was an off duty detail, okay, And he was

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Speaker 2: a regular at the church that we go to and

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Speaker 2: he was just having an episode.

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Speaker 1: I understand, Look, you were an out serving award or

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Speaker 1: something like that.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, And it wasn't intentional on his part.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe either.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well that's good. Well, let's pivot over to

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Speaker 1: the homicide investigation. The interview. Explain to my listeners what

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Speaker 1: this book consists of, Jim.

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Speaker 2: Well, the book starts, well, basically, the reason for the

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Speaker 2: book was is during the interview, the individual portrayed a

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Speaker 2: lot of body language that was beyond just your normal interviews.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much displayed everything that you can actually display during

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Speaker 2: an interview. And I always thought, man, I'd be great

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Speaker 2: for a book. So, so body language is indicating a guilt, right, Well,

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Speaker 2: it's basically a nonverbal communication, you know, through body posturing,

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Speaker 2: facial expressions, movements, things of that nature. And you know

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Speaker 2: that it's a lot about signs of deception or that

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Speaker 2: they're not being truthful and during the interview.

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Speaker 1: So I imagine a young detective or someone in law

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Speaker 1: enforcement who's going to be interviewing suspects could learn a

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Speaker 2: Oh, I would hope.

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Speaker 1: So I asks maybe one of the points you of

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Speaker 2: Well, the book's got a lot of clips in there

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Speaker 2: showing when I talk about the different kind of language

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Speaker 2: that he's portraying. It's there in the book. And there's

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Speaker 2: also a two hour interview in its entirety that could

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Speaker 2: be watched as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, how how many years experience did you have

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Speaker 2: Maybe as a police officer, about thirteen year, fourteen years?

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Speaker 1: Because as I understand it, and here you can be

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Speaker 2: once they get a little trust in you, they're more

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Speaker 1: All right, So being a bad cops not a good

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Speaker 2: It works for the good cops.

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Speaker 1: It works for the good cops. No, But is this

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Speaker 2: There are classes. I tell a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: Is there have you learned over the years of me

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Speaker 1: Is there certain certain psychological profile that kind of fits

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Speaker 4: Pattern if I if I can call it that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree with that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've sat down with people who you think absolutely could

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Speaker 2: My philosophy is always, you know, I assume everybody's guilty

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, Now, how much advanced work do you have

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Speaker 1: to do before you're interviewing someone? Evidence gathering, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, in this case here, I kind of spent a

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Speaker 2: of things that are uncomfortable source being sure, and I

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Speaker 1: the interview in your book, Homicide Investigation. The interview, what

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Speaker 1: was he what was he suspected of?

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Speaker 2: When you were interviewing, Well, there was a robbery that

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Speaker 2: occurred involving three Hispanic males in an apartment complex there

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Speaker 2: So basically it's an accidental shooting by bad guy in Ohio.

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Speaker 2: That would only basically be, you know, an accidental accident shooting.

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Speaker 2: But the fact they're leaving a homicide or a robber,

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Speaker 2: I should say, it would make a felony. And therefore,

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Speaker 1: And anybody involved in the crime where the homicide happens

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Speaker 2: That's correct, And the purpose of the interview was one

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Speaker 1: And I presume at the outset of the interview, The

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Speaker 2: This was a two hour or tenmide interview, and it

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, what was your first indication that you had

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Speaker 2: What do he said?

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Speaker 2: Well, the reason I say that is the work had

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Speaker 2: already been done, The search works were done. We had

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Speaker 1: Then, Okay, well, when confronted with hard evidence like well,

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Speaker 1: I presume it's some measure of the guy denied it.

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Speaker 2: No, he denied strong, strong denials with his non involvement

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Speaker 1: I supaid, that's rather damning. Under the circumstances, he can't

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Speaker 2: That don't work very well.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't work well. So what's a guy's reaction like that?

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Speaker 1: When he pointed out to him, he's denied it, denied it,

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Speaker 1: and then he points to the photograph, said, she did it?

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Speaker 2: Well, the other problem was who was driving the car,

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Speaker 1: But truly that doesn't really matter under the circumstances because

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Speaker 1: Well, what is one of the more interesting sort of

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Speaker 2: Well, when he first sits down and everything, you know,

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Speaker 2: the two of them were best friends. They grew up

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge supporter of law enforcement. You know that

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Speaker 1: we've already talked about it, and I think you were

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Speaker 1: aware from listening to the show. My sister retired from

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Speaker 1: the Cincinni Police Department after twenty five years of career

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Speaker 1: in law enforcement. Your perception of what's going on now,

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Speaker 1: we have a difficult time in recruiting police officers now.

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Speaker 1: The defund the police. The police are all a bunch

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Speaker 1: of racists. You know, that kind of narrative has permeated

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty officers. They're losing more and more every day.

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Speaker 1: I know they got some classes lined up and they're

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Speaker 1: trying to do it some lateral hires. What's your take

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Speaker 1: on law enforcement right now? You know, for someone out

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Speaker 1: think things have kind of run off the rails as

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Speaker 1: we exist in a society here relative to our perceptional

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Speaker 2: Well, from when I started in nineteen eighty, things have

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Speaker 2: come a long way. And I say that not in

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Speaker 2: to do. Now it's a job for just money. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm pleased to welcome to the fifty five CARSC Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: Kahin Susy, Welcome to the program. It's great to have

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm honored to have you on. And you know,

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Speaker 3: Susie, I live in Sharonville.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, And you got a bit of a Brady

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Speaker 1: Morning, you know, I understand that, And props to you

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Speaker 3: Well, my parents always, especially my mom, talked about how

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Speaker 3: they had to get out of there.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So they were on.

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Speaker 3: They took the same train out of Prague, got to

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Speaker 3: Austria Vienna, and did not go on their separate trains

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Speaker 3: to their final destinations. They stayed there and my dad

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Speaker 3: had had family there that they actually didn't even know

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Speaker 3: if they were still alive because they never got the letter,

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Speaker 3: a letter, you know, in response to their letter. But

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Speaker 3: you know, it just worked out for them that they were.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you wrote this because this may give

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Speaker 1: people something they truly need, is to pause and consider

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Speaker 1: the freedoms that we enjoy in the face of a

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Speaker 1: country that won't let you leave. I just can't imagine

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Speaker 1: being in that environment. And I've heard a lot of

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Speaker 1: stories like this over the years. Think the people tried

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Speaker 1: to get out of Berlin and had to, you know,

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Speaker 1: go through the wall or under the law or or

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Speaker 1: law risk getting machine gunned down for even endeavoring to leave.

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Speaker 1: This is a great story, and I guess.

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Speaker 3: You're conism was so great. Why would people go right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I was gonna say earlier in your

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Speaker 1: in your breadline comments like whatever happened to from each

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Speaker 1: according his ability, each according to his need. How come

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Speaker 1: it's so hard to get an apartment in a communist country?

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Speaker 1: This is all summed it up like Swan's my local

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Speaker 1: author guest today, Sussy, it's been a pleasure talking with

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Speaker 1: the Susi Khan.

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Speaker 4: Like Swan.

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Speaker 1: You can get it on my blog page fifty five

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Speaker 1: cars dot Com. Encourage people to do that and then

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Speaker 1: pause and reflect on what we've got here, everybody, really

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Speaker 1: inspirational Friday on the heels of the spirit of a

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Speaker 1: true Patriot, which, of course author Douglas Ernest was very,

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Speaker 1: very very profound man of faith. I'm happy to welcome

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Speaker 1: to the fifty five Cars Morning Show author of All

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Speaker 1: for his Glory, the Near Death Experience of a modern

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Speaker 1: day job, Pastor David Scarlett. Pastor David, is a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to have you on the fifty five Case Morning Show today.

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Speaker 8: Well, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 9: It's a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Well, and my father had a dear friend of his

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Speaker 1: who was a I think he was a hard surgeon.

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Speaker 1: He was a physician of some sort who ended up

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Speaker 1: on the operating table and died. And they brought him back.

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Speaker 1: But when he died, he had one of those post

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Speaker 1: death experiences, and he was in the operating room looking

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Speaker 1: down on the operating table where he was lying. And

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Speaker 1: my recollection is he met his mom who had passed

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Speaker 1: prior to his passing, and had this unbelievable post death experience,

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Speaker 1: only to be revived by the wonderful physicians who were

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Speaker 1: taking great care of him at the time, and from

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Speaker 1: that point forward he didn't have a care or worry

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Speaker 1: in the world. My understanding is something comparable that happened

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Speaker 1: to you. You were a former US marine and you're

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Speaker 1: telecommunications executive and also founder of His Glory Ministry. Tell

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Speaker 1: my listeners about your story in brief, which of course

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Speaker 1: they're going to read about in your book.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's exactly, well, very similar to what you just described.

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Speaker 9: I was the least likely, still in the least likely

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Speaker 9: person on the face of ear to be a pastor

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Speaker 9: and run a ministry that reaches twenty five million people

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Speaker 9: in every country of the world. But God had a

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Speaker 9: different plan. I rose the corporate ladder after being a marine,

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Speaker 9: a three director of three Portramo in of our companies,

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Speaker 9: lots of ego lots of money, and the Lord had

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Speaker 9: a different plan. So on seven seven seven, I got

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Speaker 9: a bad chili dog which had botulism toxin and I

510
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Speaker 9: ended up dying three times. The first time that they

511
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Speaker 9: put me into the Cleveland Clinic was Friday the thirteenth.

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Speaker 9: I died that night, but I didn't have a near

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Speaker 9: death experience. They revived me to put me on a

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Speaker 9: breathing tube, and then they tried to pull the plug again,

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Speaker 9: and that's when I went to have it. I immediately

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Speaker 9: saw the panic on the doctor's look on their faces.

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Speaker 9: And when you're in the Cleveland clinic, I see you,

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Speaker 9: and you see the Cleveland Clinic doctor's panic, you know

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Speaker 9: it's probably not good. And pain. There was no pain,

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Speaker 9: There was no anxiety. Life took me up to the heaven,

521
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Speaker 9: saw the beauty of heaven. This just unbelievable, joy, peace, love, pictures.

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Speaker 9: Everything was more vivid than we ever see here on

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Speaker 9: the earth. Everything was more of The music was music

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Speaker 9: that I've never heard ever. He showed me these beautiful

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Speaker 9: mahogany pictures of my life from the time I was

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Speaker 9: born to the time to the age. So I had

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Speaker 9: to be dead for I was in having probably ten

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Speaker 9: fifteen minutes, maybe more, but I think I was only

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Speaker 9: clinically dead for two or three minutes. And he showed

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Speaker 9: me a couple of key things in those pictures. First,

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Speaker 9: those pictures were never taken in my entire life. Those

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Speaker 9: are pictures that he took. He showed that in heaven.

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Speaker 9: Those pictures were perfect, because heaven is perfect. But he

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Speaker 9: later told me that my report card was empty. There

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Speaker 9: was nothing I did good for him in those pictures.

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Speaker 9: So he brought me back and I was just couldn't

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Speaker 9: believe I'd just experienced having They stabilized me. And just

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Speaker 9: as I'm coming back, I said, I didn't see Jesus

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Speaker 9: when I was in habit. I said, Lord, I want

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Speaker 9: to see Jesus. I prayed that because I couldn't talk.

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Speaker 9: And before I even got that prayer, right at the

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Speaker 9: end of my bed was the Messiah Jesus, and he

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Speaker 9: was just glowing, beautiful, beautiful blue eyes and just absolutely love, peace, joy, hope,

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Speaker 9: and just over took the room. So I knew exactly

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Speaker 9: what you said that. I had no fear from that

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Speaker 9: point on. And then it went really bad. I had

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Speaker 9: five surgeries, woke up in the stomach, surgery right, well,

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Speaker 9: they're operating on me. Collapse, along, pneumonia, you name it.

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Speaker 9: It happened just barely hanging on. They finally got me

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Speaker 9: stable to pull the plug again, and as soon as

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Speaker 9: they did, they had all the top doctors and there's

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Speaker 9: probably thirty of the top doctors of the Cleveland kind

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Speaker 9: of watching this time to make sure nothing would go wrong.

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Speaker 9: And sure enough, as soon as that happened, it started

555
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Speaker 9: cold blue, cold blue beeping, and I went up. I

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Speaker 9: hovered above them, exactly the way you just vibe in

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Speaker 9: the hospital room, and I saw them and they were panicking,

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Speaker 9: and I said, Lord, I feel fine, I feel your love,

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Speaker 9: your joy. I don't why are they panicking? And he said,

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Speaker 9: my son, I'm going to bring it back. You're going

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Speaker 9: to start a ministry called by my name, his lord,

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Speaker 9: You're going to come out of the world, and it'd

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Speaker 9: be used for me. And again, being a director at

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Speaker 9: AT and T, and I was the least likely person

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Speaker 9: to come back to drop everything and do that for him.

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Speaker 9: And he brought me back. And later there was a

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Speaker 9: nurse that was kind of mocking this, saying, you know,

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure if you really experienced this, and then

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Speaker 9: I overheard two doctors that were in the room, and

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Speaker 9: he says, whatever happened in that room, we've never seen

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Speaker 9: a light radiate from the top of his bed of

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Speaker 9: his bed before.

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Speaker 1: So when I hear you hear the words, the peace

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Speaker 1: of God would fast as all human understanding. You actually

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Speaker 1: did experience a piece of God and do have an

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Speaker 1: understanding about what it is.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, it's absolutely amazing when you get that was

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Speaker 9: called in the Hebrew the shalom that peece. It can

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Speaker 9: only come from Him. You don't fear anything. You don't

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Speaker 9: fear death. People asked me to do you fear death?

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Speaker 9: Not at all. When it's time to go home, I'm

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Speaker 9: going home and I'm not worried about it. One bet.

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Speaker 9: The only thing different this time than the first time

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Speaker 9: is my report card's going to be full because I'm

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Speaker 9: going to do what he told me to do, be

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Speaker 9: a servant for him and to reach souls.

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Speaker 1: Well, David, were you a man of faith before this happened.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you experienced an enlightenment like few people

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Speaker 1: would ever understand going through this experience. But how deep

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Speaker 1: was your faith in your connection with your with your

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Speaker 1: Christianity and your religion prior to this happening to you.

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Speaker 9: Well, I was raised. My mother was a prayer warrior.

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Speaker 9: She prayed for me many many years, twenty five years

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Speaker 9: until I would get to the point in my life

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Speaker 9: that I would pick up a Bible. So I thought

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Speaker 9: it was about me. If I was going to get there,

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Speaker 9: it's going to be my own doing. So I was

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Speaker 9: a nine one one Christian. I would only pray when

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Speaker 9: I was in trouble. As soon as the Lord got

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Speaker 9: me out of trouble, well, I went back to my

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Speaker 9: worldly ways.

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Speaker 1: It was like a cne Christian right Christmas in.

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Speaker 9: Eastern exactly, and probably not even that. It's just, you know,

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Speaker 9: something that was good that I needed help with. And

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Speaker 9: once he helped me, I was out the door. But

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Speaker 9: I had a severe mentor a marital problem, and that's

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Speaker 9: in the book, and that shook me to my core

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Speaker 9: just before this near death experience, like if I wouldn't

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Speaker 9: have had that, that's what triggered me to say, wait

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Speaker 9: a minute, maybe it's not about me, Maybe I need

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Speaker 9: this search. And I got into the Bible, studied King David,

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Speaker 9: and then that started my walk. So I truly believe

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Speaker 9: that if that wouldn't have happened, I wouldn't have made

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Speaker 9: it to heaven. I thought I was saved, but I

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Speaker 9: was not saved.

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Speaker 1: So since you talk about it in the book, I

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Speaker 1: guess I can ask you, perhaps was your marital issues

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Speaker 1: work related?

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Speaker 7: Perhaps?

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Speaker 9: Yes, I was a workaholic and my wife I took

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Speaker 9: over as a director for Ohio and had to move

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Speaker 9: my wife and young step daughter, and I was just

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Speaker 9: a workaholic and that created an affair on her part

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Speaker 9: that went really bad. And most people would have just left.

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Speaker 9: But I had a choice do I leave or do

626
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Speaker 9: I stay and humble myself? And how am I going

627
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Speaker 9: to get out of this? Because I was always able

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Speaker 9: to get out of things myself through the rising of

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Speaker 9: the corporate world, and I couldn't, so I had to

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Speaker 9: get on my knees and speak the Lord and that's

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Speaker 9: what started the process. And again, if that wouldn't happened,

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Speaker 9: I don't think I would have made it to happen.

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Speaker 1: Wow, and amazing what you've done with the ministry. And

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Speaker 1: if my listeners are interested in checking it out, it's

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Speaker 1: his glory dot M the growth of that. It's just

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Clearly you have been blessed. I would

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Speaker 1: imagine you were blessed in business, but your life wasn't fulfilled.

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Speaker 1: This happened to you, Lord Almighty. I mean, you almost

639
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Speaker 1: ate a hot dog to die, and then you built

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Speaker 1: this amazing, huge church. I'm just reminded of if there

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Speaker 1: was a line from the movie Pappion a Steve McQueen

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Speaker 1: and he was standing as a dream sequence and he's

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Speaker 1: stand in front of a judge who says you are

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Speaker 1: guilty of a wasted life. Yeah, is that the kind

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Speaker 1: of thing when you're when you when you said that

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Speaker 1: you were told your report card was empty? Is it

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Speaker 1: some sort of Was that that the kind of realization

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Speaker 1: or is that a way of summarizing how you felt

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Speaker 1: reflecting on your life.

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Speaker 9: That's that's exactly right. You know, you could be the

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Speaker 9: CEO of AT and T, you could create the iPhone.

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Speaker 9: At the end of the day, that doesn't impress God

653
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Speaker 9: and it doesn't matter. It's only what we do for

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Speaker 9: him once we accept them in our heart and become servants.

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Speaker 9: And that's hard for people to get up the corporate

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Speaker 9: ladder and to become a servant and give that all up.

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Speaker 9: But that's that's why Satan was thrown out of heaven

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Speaker 9: is his pride. We have to get rid of pride.

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Speaker 9: God can't work with a pride, and once we get

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Speaker 9: rid of that pride and we can be used for

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Speaker 9: this purpose, he can do amazing things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what, Pastor David, Scar's been a

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Speaker 1: real inspirational conversation. Have my listeners get a copy of

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Speaker 1: your book. We'll put my blogman podcast page fifty five

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Speaker 1: carsee dot com all for his glory the near death

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Speaker 1: experience of a modern day job. You know, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what. While you're uh, you're, you're, you're, you're dealing

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Speaker 1: with other of the of the deadly sins, figure out

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Speaker 1: I think that is the root of most all of

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Speaker 1: society's problems. Yeah, I agree, David. It's been a pleasure

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Speaker 1: having you on the program. So keep up the great work,

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Speaker 1: and I'll encourage my listener to get a copy of

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Speaker 1: the book and get inspired themselves. Mark Levin returns to

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Speaker 1: the fifty five Case Morning Show, nationally syndicated talk radio

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Speaker 1: show host The Mark Levin Show, host of leve N

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Speaker 1: TV on the Blaze, host of the Fox News Channels Life,

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Speaker 1: Liberty and Levin cher Emeritis of the Landmark Legal Foundation,

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Speaker 1: author of Let's Count Them Eight, consecutive number one New

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Speaker 1: York Times Best Tellers, Let's call it nine. Now with

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Speaker 1: the new book on Power, welcome back to the fifty

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Speaker 1: five Case Morning Show. Always a pleasure, Mark Levin.

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Speaker 10: Brian, I love that interview. I'm calling again tomorrow anyway,

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Speaker 10: I love the intro.

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Speaker 1: Any time, my friend. I listen to you all the time,

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Speaker 1: your Sunday show coming in. I have serious XM and

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Speaker 1: I listen to Fox News on the way and love

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Speaker 1: what you have to say. I appreciate your perspective and commentary. Now,

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Speaker 1: in your book on Power, you discussed the concept of

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Speaker 1: power extensively. That's the point of the book. How do

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Speaker 1: you differentiate between legitimate political power and its abuse? You

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Speaker 1: talk about the concept of positive power and negative power.

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Speaker 10: Well, those are That's a great, great question. The book

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Speaker 10: takes the word power and takes a very close look

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Speaker 10: at it because I realized the battle in society and

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Speaker 10: the culture and government and humanity is over power. I

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Speaker 10: mean even in our personal lives psychologically in some cases,

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Speaker 10: which is not where I go, but certainly when it

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Speaker 10: comes to governance, and the Constitution is about power. The

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Speaker 10: Declaration of Independence lays out what I call positive power,

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Speaker 10: and then then there is the negative power. Positive power is,

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Speaker 10: for example, in our country, it's the most unique country

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Speaker 10: ever established ever. And why because this is a country

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Speaker 10: that's based on the belief that got a sovereign Judeo

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Speaker 10: Christian belief systems a fused with the Enlightenment. That is,

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Speaker 10: we are the sovereign God's children. Now, how do we

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Speaker 10: manifest that on earth? And the Enlightenment tells us how power?

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Speaker 10: Becking power, that's one of the main elements that came

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Speaker 10: out of the Enlightenment. Why against the monarchies, dictatorships, that

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Speaker 10: sort of thing, right, But look at the Marxists and

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Speaker 10: the Islamis and others. The negative power, what are they

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Speaker 10: all about? The centralization of power that people aren't the sovereign,

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Speaker 10: the ruling classes the sovereign well.

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Speaker 1: And that's resulting in concentration of power in Washington. And

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Speaker 1: I guess you know, as a lawyer, I always go

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Speaker 1: back to this distorted Washington all powerful. We live in

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Speaker 1: a republic. We have a tenth Amendment as well as

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Speaker 1: a ninth Amendment, but we also have Wickered versus Philburn,

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Speaker 1: which extended this regulatory arm against every aspect of our lives.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem right there. The court used as a

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Speaker 1: mechanism to get engaged in every element of our lives.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that is a particularly devious decision where basically you

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Speaker 10: have a wheat farmer, so the public knows who is

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Speaker 10: growing wheat on his own land, and they still claimed

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Speaker 10: it was interstate commerce capable of being regulated because if

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Speaker 10: he didn't sell the wheat into interstate commerce, it would

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Speaker 10: affect interstate commerce. So it's one of the most atrocious

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Speaker 10: decisions e R. And you're right, it laid the foundation

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Speaker 10: for economic socialism, endless government intervention. So on power, I

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Speaker 10: just decide, you know, you can't have liberty without rights,

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Speaker 10: and you can't have rights without power. And there's certain

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Speaker 10: kinds of power that are good and certain kinds of

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Speaker 10: power that are bad. The struggle we're having now, basically

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Speaker 10: those of us who are not in the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 10: The struggle we're having now with the Democrat Party and others,

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Speaker 10: by the way, is this issue over power. They want

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Speaker 10: centralized power. You talk about wicked versus of sobern This

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Speaker 10: is about a massive fourth branch of government, a bureaucracy.

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Speaker 10: We want to elected judges aren't even in the constitution,

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Speaker 10: And what does that mean. We're supposed to be a

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Speaker 10: government of consensus, a government of representative government. So when

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Speaker 10: you have a bureaucracy, it doesn't represent the people. When

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Speaker 10: you want to elect to judges, they don't represent the

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Speaker 10: people either.

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Speaker 7: They got a r but the role.

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Speaker 10: Is really outsized in terms of what they do. So

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Speaker 10: I break this down. I look at this issue of power.

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Speaker 10: I don't think we as conservatives, or let me say this,

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Speaker 10: non leftists really think about this enough. This is all

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Speaker 10: they think about.

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Speaker 7: They're obsessed with it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and you talk about it, you don't necessarily go

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Speaker 1: to the psychological reality. But as you're talking, and this

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Speaker 1: is something that I struggle with all the time. Mark,

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Speaker 1: I consider myself a little el libertarian. I remember the

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Speaker 1: Libertarian Party. But I trust you with your wallet and

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Speaker 1: you zipper. I don't want to take anything from you.

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Speaker 1: When I'm done fixing me, maybe I'll come after you,

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Speaker 1: but that day's never going to come. I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's a psychological problem they have. Why do they

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Speaker 1: want to control all of our lives. Why does Zohan

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Speaker 1: Mundami want to you know, regulate you know, the price

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Speaker 1: of house, literally the price of everything, micro manage everything.

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Speaker 1: I don't get where that need for power and control

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Speaker 1: comes from, which is maybe why I don't get the

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Speaker 1: direction we're going, because people tend to roll over and

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Speaker 1: just allow it to happen to them.

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Speaker 10: Well, if you look at history, and even if you

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Speaker 10: look around the world today, that is the rule. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: the dark side of humanity the reason why the Enlightenment

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Speaker 10: was so important, and the radical Islamis never went through

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Speaker 10: the Enlightenment. They're stuck in the primitive seventh century and

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Speaker 10: the Marxists reject the Enlightenment. It's the darker side of humanity.

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Speaker 10: I mean, men and women are imperfect. And so the

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Speaker 10: whole reason the Enlightenment is important, again fused with the

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Speaker 10: Judeo Christian values, is to get us past that. It

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Speaker 10: is to embrace the brighter side of humanity, to nurture

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Speaker 10: the brighter side of humanity and so forth versus this

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Speaker 10: darker side. And you ask why, because people can be evil,

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Speaker 10: because people can be greedy, They want power, because people

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Speaker 10: like to lord over other people. We've got millions of

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Speaker 10: people who've been murdered in this world as a result

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Speaker 10: of Marxism and Islamism, that the result of Judeo Christian

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Speaker 10: values and the Enlightenment. And so you set up a

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Speaker 10: government that protects us from evil, whether it's mob, whether

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Speaker 10: it's centralized government. And so where this is where our

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Speaker 10: constitution is so brilliant and it's so important. Even Scalia said,

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Speaker 10: what's the key to our constitution?

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Speaker 1: Separation?

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Speaker 10: Powers? What did Montesquieu say, the most important philosopher during

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Speaker 10: our constitutional period? Power checks power? What did even Aristotle say,

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Speaker 10: power needs to check out? And let me ask you,

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Speaker 10: this is that the way Mondami thinks is that the

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Speaker 10: way the Marxists think is that the way Bernie Sanders thinks.

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Speaker 10: So the Democrats think, no, it is constant government program

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Speaker 10: and government taxation, government regulation, government redistribution. Their views, their

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Speaker 10: beliefs are simply incompatible with the sounding.

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Speaker 1: And so I let it all out in the book

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Speaker 1: the Book on Power. On my guests today, Mark Levin, Well,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this in terms of reforms, As

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Speaker 1: you were saying that enlightened, smart, critical thinking, logical, reasonable,

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Speaker 1: well educated people could see through this. They would see

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Speaker 1: through the lives they would recognizing the efforts of this

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Speaker 1: negative power and rejected out of hand. Do you think

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Speaker 1: our education system is to blame for creating a generation

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Speaker 1: or two or three of useful idiots that are just

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Speaker 1: too uneducated to see through this, this overreach and this

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Speaker 1: abuse of our civil rights and liberties.

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Speaker 7: I think just a.

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Speaker 11: Lot of that.

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Speaker 10: There's no question about it that these people have conquered

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Speaker 10: the culture, whether it's the media, whether it's achademia, whether

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Speaker 10: it's Hollywood and so forth. We're on outs there on

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Speaker 10: the ends. I don't think there's any question about that.

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Speaker 10: But we also have the problem where people actually vote

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Speaker 10: for tyranny. People like freebeests. People don't want to give

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Speaker 10: up what they have, but they want to take something

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Speaker 10: that somebody else has. And again, this is a darker

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Speaker 10: side of humanity, and the the Marxists play right into that.

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Speaker 10: And also they plain to the fact that human beings

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Speaker 10: are imperfect, and so they compare something the imperfection of

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Speaker 10: society with their promises. And what I say is, no,

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Speaker 10: you got to compare something to something because you know

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Speaker 10: they'll say, you're hungry, I'll make it affordable.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 10: You can't get a house I'll make it. Excuse me,

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Speaker 10: excuse me. Let's come back down to earth and let's

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Speaker 10: actually deal with what it is that you're proposing.

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Speaker 1: Well, that someone can run as a socialist and actually

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Speaker 1: get traction in New York and Mondomia is an illustration. Y,

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Speaker 1: that's true, true, No argument there, Bernie Sanders, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: guess there was a period of time, you know, in

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Speaker 1: my lifetime.

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Speaker 4: I mean, nobody would touch you with a ten foot.

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Speaker 1: Poll if you said out loud I am a Socialist

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Speaker 1: or Marxist or communists. But we've changed the society and

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Speaker 1: or perception over the years. We don't study the mistakes

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Speaker 1: of the past. No one's looking at where these experiments

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Speaker 1: have been held. Like we had a moral barometer when

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Speaker 1: I was going up to the Soviet Union. It was

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Speaker 1: freedom and capitalism versus breadlines. It was a perfect point

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Speaker 1: to make. Look, you want to be a commie, you

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Speaker 1: see how terrible things are there. But we lost that

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Speaker 1: when the wall came down, and since then I feel

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Speaker 1: like we've lost our way.

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Speaker 11: Mark.

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Speaker 10: You make a great point. A lot of the younger

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Speaker 10: people today have no first hand dog about what took place.

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Speaker 10: I mean, the Holocaust is just a distant thing, and

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Speaker 10: they throw around the word Hitler in the Holocaust or

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Speaker 10: the Soviet Union. They don't know a thing about this city,

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Speaker 10: even nine to eleven. Who hit us on nine to eleven?

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Speaker 10: The islonomists, Okay, they don't. They weren't alive. Then they

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Speaker 10: don't think about that. And so this is a YA.

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Speaker 10: And that's why I feel like outside of the educational system, we.

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Speaker 1: Have to fight back.

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Speaker 10: We still have free speech. That's why I write these books.

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Speaker 10: That's why you and I are on the air trying

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Speaker 10: to reach as many people as we can with American

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Speaker 10: ideals in the belief system, trying to teach history, trying

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Speaker 10: to explain these things because they're not getting it in

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Speaker 10: the school. They have no context for this. But you know,

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Speaker 10: we as parents and grandparents, we have a responsibility too.

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Speaker 10: You don't just send your kids off the school and

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Speaker 10: hopeful the best, certainly not. Now. You got to take

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Speaker 10: them under your wing. You got to educate them, have

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Speaker 10: them read certain things or at least listen to certain things.

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Speaker 10: That is our responsibility. And I'm hoping these books, this

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Speaker 10: one in particular, will help in that regard.

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Speaker 1: I'm certain it will, and I'll encourage my listeners, you

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Speaker 1: go to fifty five cars dot com and my blog

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Speaker 1: and podcast page where they can easily get a copy

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Speaker 1: of Mark ar Levin's new book on power. Please read

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Speaker 1: it wonderful and inspiring book. Mark Levin, you always are

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Speaker 1: thank you for what you do each and every day,

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Speaker 1: and you always have an open spot here on the

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Speaker 1: fifty five Carsite Morning Shore. When you write another number

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Speaker 1: the book fifty five cares dot I am pleased. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the fifty five Cassee Morning Show. Michael McNamara. He

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Speaker 1: has initially a degree in economics University of San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: but he enlisted in the US Marine Corps back in

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Speaker 1: eighty three, left active duty in ninety four, but then

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Speaker 1: returned to the Corps in two thousand and four and

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Speaker 1: deployee Iraq twice in Afghanistan, once as an infantry soldier.

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Speaker 1: Retiring from the Marine Corps in twenty fifteen, founder and

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Speaker 1: president of the Post Traumatic Winning Company LLC, hosted a

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Speaker 1: podcast All Marine Radio since twenty sixteen and began presenting

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Speaker 1: the ideas connected with his first book, From Trauma to Joy,

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Speaker 1: which We're here to talk about in twenty nineteen. Michael McNamara,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the fifty five Carse Morning Show. The name

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Speaker 1: of the book From Trauma to Joy Life changing lessons

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Speaker 1: that fellow US Marines taught me after traumatic events occurred

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Speaker 1: in my life, Lessons that apply to anyone. Emphasis on

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Speaker 1: that last part. It's a pleasure to have you on

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Speaker 1: the program. Michael.

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, as a'm a former manager of

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Speaker 6: the Cincinnati red and a guy who worked on Johnson's

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Speaker 6: party boats in the summer during college tender bar, I

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Speaker 6: am happy to be back on the air. Well, I've

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Speaker 6: never been on the here of the Queen City, but

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Speaker 6: now it's a pleasure. Brian, thank you very much for

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Speaker 6: having me.

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Speaker 1: I was going to bring that up after your bio.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, also, you know John McNamara, don't

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Speaker 1: you the guy that took over after Sparky Anderson left

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Reds and of course filling in the blanks

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Speaker 1: on that one the party boat too. That's it brings

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Speaker 1: back memories anyway.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, you don't even know.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I can only imagine. I can only imagine. It's

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Speaker 1: like being a fly on the wall. I suppose being

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Speaker 1: in that role Oh.

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Speaker 6: My god, tornado warnings while you're on the river and

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Speaker 6: there's a party going on. Incredible, incredible stories.

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Speaker 1: Man, I bet well you maybe write your second book

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Speaker 1: on that. But this book, I think it's really important.

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Speaker 1: Mental health has become something that we can all talk about.

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Speaker 1: There's no longer, at least, there's very little you know,

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Speaker 1: negative viewpoints or like, you know, get over it kind

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Speaker 1: of attitudes. These days. We know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: deal with mental health challenges. But you mentioned trauma. It's

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Speaker 1: the title of the book, From Trauma to Joy and

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Speaker 1: point out that approximately ninety five percent of the US

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Speaker 1: population deals with some form of trauma. We could be

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Speaker 1: talking about something as traumatic as losing a loved one

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Speaker 1: for example, right, well.

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Speaker 6: And that's what you know, you know, that's why I

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Speaker 6: don't really care for the term PTSD, because if when

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Speaker 6: you throw that out there, everybody says, oh, that's that

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Speaker 6: combat thing, right right, or that's the thing cops in firefight. No, no, no,

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Speaker 6: it's an everybody thing. If you had to tend to

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Speaker 6: somebody who you loved and hold their hand and watch

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Speaker 6: them die of a lengthy illness, you're in the same

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Speaker 6: valley of the shadow of death that I'm in. We

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Speaker 6: just took different paths to get there. If you've been

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Speaker 6: abused as a child, physically, sexually, emotionally, right, and you

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Speaker 6: and you've suffered with that your life, guess what You're

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Speaker 6: in that thing too.

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Speaker 4: So the book is about.

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Speaker 6: You know that is not a death sentence, okay, And

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Speaker 6: the first place that you should look for an answer

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Speaker 6: is not in a jar pills, and it's not in

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Speaker 6: forever therapy. It's inside of you. And I know this.

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Speaker 6: And again I'm not a Brian. I'm not a mental

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Speaker 6: health person. I've been a leader since I was a

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Speaker 6: little kid. And so I started talking about this on

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Speaker 6: my podcast and then the way the book begins is

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Speaker 6: with a presentation I started doing around the world, and

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Speaker 6: that is I'm going to tell you the truth, true

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Speaker 6: things about what it is to live a great life

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Speaker 6: after you go through really difficult things, right, And I

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Speaker 6: don't care what the difficulty was. And so the great

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Speaker 6: thing that people don't understand about you know, as a marine,

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Speaker 6: is that our suicide is not linked to combat. It

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Speaker 6: is linked to child abuse. It is linked to child

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Speaker 6: sexual abuse and adverse childhood experiences. Because when we went

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Speaker 6: to the volunteer force. Right, we're not so much across

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Speaker 6: section of America anymore. I would tell you about fifty

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Speaker 6: percent of the people that joined the American military right

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Speaker 6: are trying to get to a better place. Their peers

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Speaker 6: are in jail, their dead of drug overdoses or suicide.

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Speaker 4: But they come from that.

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Speaker 6: Part of our culture and they're looking for something better

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Speaker 6: and sometimes they don't find it. And so you can't

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Speaker 6: understand veteran suicide or military suicide unless you understand who

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Speaker 6: we recruit. And then what I found out when I

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Speaker 6: started doing seminarts for everybody was that there was no

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Speaker 6: difference between what you know, active duty and veterans talked

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Speaker 6: about as opposed to the civilians that I met. It

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Speaker 6: was all it was based on the traumatic events of

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Speaker 6: their life. And so this stuff applies to anybody, and

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Speaker 6: that's the beautiful part of it.

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Speaker 1: Now, I imagine the outline and the steps and the

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Speaker 1: principles that put you set forth in the book have

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Speaker 1: to start with, I suppose a pretty tremendous amount of introspection,

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Speaker 1: trying to be an objective observer of your life and

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Speaker 1: where you are and why you're experiencing this trauma.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'll tell you what, And that's not hard

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Speaker 6: for most people, because most people when you go through

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Speaker 6: these things, you know, I saw somebody get decapitated in

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Speaker 6: a training incident, a helicopter crash in nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 6: and you know, we were trying to save the three

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Speaker 6: other guys in the back and I have my hands,

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Speaker 6: you know, all over this one young marine and everybody dies, right,

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Speaker 6: And one of my senior marines came up to me.

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Speaker 6: I was a commanding officer, but one of my senior

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Speaker 6: and listen guys come up to me and asked me.

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Speaker 6: About three hours later, he goes, hey, Serri said, how

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Speaker 6: are you doing?

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Speaker 12: And I said, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: We've been kind of busy. And he looked at me

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Speaker 4: and he said, you know you're never going.

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Speaker 6: To get over this, right, And I said what he said?

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Speaker 1: You'll never get over this?

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Speaker 6: And I can't use the language I use, but I said, hey,

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Speaker 6: why don't you get away from me? I don't think

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Speaker 6: that's what they're that says to the patient right now,

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Speaker 6: to go away. And he looked at me and said, no,

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Speaker 6: you need to know that.

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Speaker 1: And I said, who told you that?

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Speaker 6: And he said Vietnam guys told me that, And I

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Speaker 6: tell everybody the single best piece of advice ever got,

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Speaker 6: although I didn't understand at the time, was that because

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Speaker 6: when I struggled, guess whose voice I heard a guy

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Speaker 6: who who would have died for me, who looked me

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Speaker 6: in the face and told me the truth. And once

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Speaker 6: you understand, you don't get over it that when you struggle,

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Speaker 6: you know what? That makes you a normal human being.

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Speaker 6: You can't go through those experiences without those ghosts coming back.

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Speaker 6: And the question becomes what do I do when they

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Speaker 6: come back? Because they will. And now the way the

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Speaker 6: nation approaches it is we'll give you medications and you

1014
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Speaker 6: can go to Forever Talk therapy. If you look at

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Speaker 6: the trend lines of that, the nation set a suicide

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Speaker 6: record what twelve months ago, and the military is setting

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Speaker 6: suicide records and we're nowhere near a conflict. But that

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Speaker 6: is our approach to helping these people. And what I

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Speaker 6: tell people is before you do any of that, read

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Speaker 6: my book because if you understand, the first thing you're

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Speaker 6: going to have to do is coexist with it, because

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Speaker 6: it's not going away. The next thing you're going to

1023
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Speaker 6: have to do is live with some self discipline. When

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Speaker 6: you struggle, guess what you should do. Not isolate yourself,

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Speaker 6: not go get drunk, right, and which is what marines do.

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Speaker 13: Right.

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Speaker 6: You should talk to somebody who loves you and will

1028
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Speaker 6: not judge you. And you should stay away from alcohol.

1029
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Speaker 6: And you can do that. Next, stay physically active. So

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Speaker 6: if you'll do those things, watch how quick your life changes.

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Speaker 6: Then you got to learn how to meditate.

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Speaker 4: We merge, We don't like that word. I call it

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Speaker 4: calming your brain down.

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Speaker 6: You got to learn how to do some version of that.

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Speaker 6: You got to learn how to read when you feel

1036
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Speaker 6: anxious or you feel anger, and how to interrupt that cycle.

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Speaker 6: And these little wellness things. The people that damage your life,

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Speaker 6: you got to put them at arm's length and keep

1039
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Speaker 6: them there and then all of a sudden your life

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Speaker 6: calms down. But the transformational part of this whole thing, Brian,

1041
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Speaker 6: and the beautiful thing that I learned is you know

1042
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Speaker 6: how many people around you we're struggling. You're going to

1043
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Speaker 6: find this path out of the valley of the shadow

1044
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Speaker 6: of death, and your life's going to get better. And

1045
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Speaker 6: then you're going to stick your hand into their darkness

1046
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Speaker 6: and say, hey, man, I know what you're going to

1047
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Speaker 6: you got a minute, could I talk to you? And

1048
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Speaker 6: if you'll do that, if you'll help them, at some

1049
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Speaker 6: point one of them is going to pick up the

1050
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Speaker 6: phone and call you and say, hey, man, remember that

1051
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Speaker 6: conversation we had two months ago. Yeah, you don't know this,

1052
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Speaker 6: but I was getting ready to kill myself that much.

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Speaker 6: And when we do, and I'm not saying that hypothetically,

1054
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Speaker 6: because we all know people around us that are struggling,

1055
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Speaker 6: and good luck sleeping that night, because you will experience

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Speaker 6: the joy part of this. I call it the Gridge moment,

1057
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Speaker 6: when the Grinch's heart grows through tons and he here's

1058
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Speaker 6: the who people singing? Right, It's that feeling. And that

1059
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Speaker 6: is what we do with our suffering. We give it meaning.

1060
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Speaker 6: How do we do that? We learn about it, we

1061
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Speaker 6: learn how to live our we learn how to become

1062
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Speaker 6: a better version of ourselves, and then we help others.

1063
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Speaker 6: And if you'll do that, I guarantee you that you

1064
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Speaker 6: can transform your life.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would imagine the conversation serves of a multitude

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Speaker 1: of reasons why it's beneficial. But in so far as say,

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Speaker 1: I'm reflecting upon the horror you that you witness and

1068
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Speaker 1: the idea that your your commander said, you're never going

1069
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Speaker 1: to get over it, that you will remember that incident

1070
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Speaker 1: and it may trouble you, and you may, you know,

1071
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Speaker 1: want to blame yourself. But if you deflect your attention

1072
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Speaker 1: away from that and go back to that sort of

1073
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Speaker 1: concept of meditation, living in the moment, not going back

1074
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Speaker 1: and retracing old events over which you have no control,

1075
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Speaker 1: but thinking about something different and getting your mind away

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Speaker 1: from it, that in and of itself has to be beneficial.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, but I would tell you the big thing

1078
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Speaker 6: is sometimes you can't control that smells trigger the video

1079
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Speaker 6: in your head, right, yeah, And and and you're and

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Speaker 6: now you're you're watching the video and there's no off

1081
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Speaker 6: button and there's no mute button. And so what you

1082
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Speaker 6: have to learn is that's normal. That's normal. And for me,

1083
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Speaker 6: my combat experiences were not the worst experiences of my life. Right,

1084
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Speaker 6: My sister's husband murdered their two kids when she told

1085
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Speaker 6: him she wanted her divorce fix years old and four

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Speaker 6: years old, shot him both in the head, right, and

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Speaker 6: then beat her and put the gun in his mouth

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Speaker 6: and killed himself. So even when I went to combat,

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Speaker 6: even when I went to combat, and it's important that

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Speaker 6: people hear that from somebody who spent three years in

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Speaker 6: Iraq and Afghanistan as an infantry officer, all during the

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Speaker 6: heights of the fighting. I'm not in that zip code.

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00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 6: And there's people listening to you that were sexually abused

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00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 6: as children, that have had this horrible things happening. They're

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Speaker 6: in my sister's zip.

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Speaker 1: Code, not in mine. And it's very humbling.

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Speaker 6: For a cop or a firefighter to hear me speak.

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00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 6: And I look at them and I say, you're not

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00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 6: in that zip code and you know that. So you

1100
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 6: don't have the market cornered on trauma. And so what

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00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 6: I want you to do is open your mind and

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Speaker 6: learn that there's nothing wrong with you when you struggle

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00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 6: and then it's okay. And the videos some days are

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00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 6: going to last longer than it's going to last. But

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00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 6: if you'll learn how to do these things, what you're

1106
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 6: gonna do is you're going to learn how to coexist

1107
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 6: with it. And that's really the art with your trauma,

1108
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 6: to understand there's nothing wrong with you, to understand that

1109
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 6: you're going to coexist with it. I mean more than

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00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 6: War two, that's once three hundred years old. Yeah, ask

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00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 6: them about what they did and they'll tell you in

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Speaker 6: slow motion, high definition what they did. So it's not

1113
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 6: like this stuff leaves you. And that's so it's developing

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Speaker 6: wisdom relative to this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Michael McNamara from Trauma to Joy Life changing lessons that

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Speaker 1: Philly US Marines taught me after traumatic events occurred in

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Speaker 1: my life, underscore lessons that apply to anyone. Michael can't

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Speaker 1: thank you enough for the time you spent my listeners

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Speaker 1: with me on the program. I will certainly recommend they

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Speaker 1: go to fifty five carec dot com where we have

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Speaker 1: a link to get your book. We all experience trauma,

1122
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: and Michael's figured out a way to help us all

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Speaker 1: deal with it. It's been a pleasure having in the program,

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00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: and I want to thank you on behalf of all

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Speaker 1: of my listeners and myself personally for your service to

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Speaker 1: our country and your service to everyone for writing this book.

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Speaker 1: By the fifty five Karri CD talk Station, Happy Friday

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Speaker 1: looking forward to the bottom of the hour with Kimberlee

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00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: from sant Anthea Patowa's Church regarding the Mediterranean Festival and

1130
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Speaker 1: hopefully bearer of Kibbi and Taboulie in the meantime, happy

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Speaker 1: to welcome to the fifty five Carsy Morning Show. Understatement

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Speaker 1: to say controversial. Larry Flint. We all know him, especially

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Speaker 1: here in City Cincinnati. His wife, of course, Larry passed away.

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Speaker 1: Liz Flint is joining the program. She currently runs the

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Speaker 1: entire empire. She is behind the book and author of

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Speaker 1: the book Hustler Fifty Years Hustler fifty fifty Years of Freedom.

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Speaker 1: Liz Flint, Welcome to the fifty five Carsee Morning Show.

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Speaker 14: Well, good morning to you.

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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have you on, and what a

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00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: perfect timing to have you on the show.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 1: I know my listeners, being of the more conservative mindset,

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00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: may not believe in and find the material that has

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Speaker 1: been featured in Hustler now since I guess nineteen seventy

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00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: four when it was first published, to their liking or taste.

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Speaker 1: But as a staunch defender of the concert and First Amendment,

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00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: you know, different strokes for different folks, if I may

1148
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Speaker 1: be so bold, And I know that Larry Flint was

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00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: subject to a lot of litigation over his life and

1150
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: fought a hard challenge ended up in the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: in the name of free speech, and actually prevailed you

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00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: feature that in the book, do you not, Yes, I too.

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Speaker 14: Well, you know what free speech is, all speech, even

1154
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 14: hate speech. Well, we can't start slicing and dicing. Well,

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00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 14: it's fit. So it's called toleration. We have to tolerate

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00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 14: those that we don't necessarily like. But at the end

1157
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Speaker 14: of the day, we'll always find a common ground to

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Speaker 14: agree on exactly.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a listen you speak in my language on that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I appreciate the free speech, including you know,

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Speaker 1: there is hate speech out in the world, but the

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Speaker 1: freedom of speech allows people to make such utterances, and

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Speaker 1: in so doing, we at least can identify and choose

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Speaker 1: to agree or disagree with them, or at least engage

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Speaker 1: in a debate about the marriage of what they are saying.

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Speaker 1: In a society without free speech, you can't even engage

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Speaker 1: in a debate, which is why I am appreciative of

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Speaker 1: the First Amendment. You know. The other thing is speaking

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Speaker 1: of litigation, and Larry was in a lot of cases

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Speaker 1: the Jerry Follwell litigation that turned out to his advantage

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Speaker 1: as well, and it's an important Supreme Court case. Remind

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00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: my listeners about that particular one.

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Speaker 14: Well, Larry put out a parody satire in Huster magazine

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Speaker 14: back in eighty three, and it was a compari ad

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Speaker 14: and at the bottom of the ad it said not

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Speaker 14: to be taken serious, and it was making reference to

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Speaker 14: Jerry follow his first time in an outhouse with his mother. Well,

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Speaker 14: obviously he didn't like that, and he sued Larry, and

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Speaker 14: Larry lost at lower cart and then Larry appealed and

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Speaker 14: went to the US Supreme Court and they accepted his case,

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Speaker 14: and well, Larry prevailed and had the Chief Justice Rehnquist

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Speaker 14: write the majority opinion. Larry was very shocked too, because

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00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 14: it was the preacher versus pornographer. But we all benefit

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00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 14: from this landmark case. It's taught in all law schools

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Speaker 14: all over the country.

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Speaker 1: Right of course, I went through that case when I

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00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: was in law school. And I mean, Liz, can you

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Speaker 1: imagine the Internet had Larry lost that case? Considering I mean,

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Speaker 1: every single day you're confronted with parodies of all shapes

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Speaker 1: and forms. You know, quite often they're informative, quite often

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00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: they're extremely funny, sometimes offensive. But I just can't imagine

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Speaker 1: a world with the Internet age without that particular case.

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Speaker 14: As president, absolutely so, comedians all over the country like

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00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 14: Bill Maher, Jeffrey Ross even back then, Jay Leno, that

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Speaker 14: you could say something hurt someone's feelings and not be

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Speaker 14: charged or prosecuted or jailed.

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Speaker 1: Now I have to ask you this, considering you know

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Speaker 1: this is the greater Cincinnati area. Does former Hamilton County

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Speaker 1: Prosecutor Fred Cardolano or Simon LEAs Junior's name come up

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Speaker 1: in the book by any chance?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: They Okay, I know that Simon Lease was not a

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Speaker 1: fan of your late husband.

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Speaker 14: No. But you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 14: this coffee table book, it is five decades of Husser

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Speaker 14: magazine and the brand meaning the best cartoons, illustrations, publishers, statements,

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Speaker 14: and there's a lot more are Larry's political views. And

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00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 14: what makes it so nice it's you see the change

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Speaker 14: in the decades and it's the best of And I

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Speaker 14: think that I'm bringing something to Cincinnati that they lived

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Speaker 14: through it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we certainly did. It was a much more Victorian

1213
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: era and it wasn't even that long ago. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll be sixty in September, Liz, and I remember when

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01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: all these cases were pending, when he was being prosecuted

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Speaker 1: for obscenity, and by Simon Leees, and of course I

1217
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: remember and he was having to go through the Supreme

1218
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Speaker 1: Court era with the free speech case which was in

1219
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: that the movie featuring Woody Harrelson, who I understand did

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Speaker 1: a forward in your book.

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Speaker 14: Absolutely, I reached out to Woody and asked him he

1222
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Speaker 14: could write the forward for this book because obviously he

1223
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Speaker 14: played Larry in The People versus Larry Flint, and Woody

1224
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Speaker 14: is from Ohio, Lebanon, Ohio. It made perfect sense and

1225
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Speaker 14: he will. After the movie, him and Larry became very

1226
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 14: close friends, and it was just a beautiful friendship, relationship,

1227
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 14: loving relationship, and he did want a beautiful forward and

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Speaker 14: tribute to it.

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Speaker 1: Larry Flint, how about that? Now you know the story,

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Speaker 1: you know the movie. Is the movie accurate? I mean

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Speaker 1: quite often movies of Hollywood take liberties with facts and issues,

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01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering if the movie accurately depicts that

1233
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: that period of time, if I may boil it down

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Speaker 1: to that, well, I.

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Speaker 14: Asked my husband when they were filming down in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 14: I said, Larry, how would you see this movie? Would

1237
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 14: you say they've got a lot right or obviously Hollywood's

1238
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 14: selling a movie, they got to embellish it a little bit,

1239
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 14: and he said, for what was their list, they just

1240
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 14: about got a lot of the scenes, especially the court scenes.

1241
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 14: And yes, that profile of Simon Leeese was depicted there

1242
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 14: by James Carr, and I think that. I think Milos

1243
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 14: Forman did a very excellent job portraying Larry and all

1244
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 14: the other characters in the movie.

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01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: No, I thoroughly enjoyed the film. Again, I just was asking,

1246
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: for the sake of historical accuracy, if I should view

1247
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: it with a measure of skepticism. I interviewed one of

1248
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: the the World War Two veterans who was in stalog

1249
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: I was three the story behind the Great Escape, and

1250
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: he said, with the exception of the motorcycle stunts, that

1251
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: movie accurately depicted everything they went through and in escaping

1252
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: from the prison camp in World War Two. So nice

1253
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 1: to know the information I see. I have notes here

1254
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: Liz the author again of Excuse Me Hustler fifty to

1255
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: fifty Years of Freedom. Pete Rose's name is listed here

1256
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: another local icon.

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01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 14: Yes, so Larry knew him back in the day when

1258
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 14: he had the hust clothes Downtown Downtown Cincinnati, and then

1259
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 14: later Larry got in touch with Pete Rose. He was

1260
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 14: living in Las Vegas and and whenever you would come

1261
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 14: to Los Angeles, he would have lunch with Larry at

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Speaker 14: the Peninsula in Beverly Hills. So it was very nice

1263
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 14: to meet him and Larry was It was very beautiful

1264
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 14: for him to connect because Larry passed away and so

1265
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Speaker 14: did Pete.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, very nice. Well local icon. Pete Rose was

1267
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: and a fan of Charles Bukowski.

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Speaker 4: I am.

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Speaker 1: I noted from the notes that there were features by

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Speaker 1: Charles Bukowski in Hustler. Hustle was not just photographs of

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01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: scanty or without closed women, also contained a lot of

1272
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: interesting writing. I think of a guy like Hunter S. Thompson,

1273
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 1: very cutting edge, you know, gonzo journalist, but he also

1274
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: had a lot of interesting articles like that Timothy Leary

1275
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 14: Yes, so you know, when my husband was publishing the magazine,

1277
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 14: he was very passionate about, you know, his political stories

1278
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 14: and illustrations. And that's where part of the magazine got

1279
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 14: its vitality. It wasn't just a magazine of photo sets

1280
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 14: of women, but it had a little bit more to offer.

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01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 14: And that's why I call it, this book of fifty

1282
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 14: years in entertainment. I know there is something for everyone.

1283
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Speaker 1: There seven five here at fifty five Kerseity Talk Station

1284
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: and a very very happy Flag Day Wednesday, and an

1285
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Speaker 1: extra special day here on the fifty five Carssee Morning

1286
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: Show because I am blessed and grace to be in

1287
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: the presence of ninety six year old World War Two

1288
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: veteran Frank Wettencamp, who former Anderson Township trustee. Drew Papps,

1289
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: who's also in studio, was kind enough to bring and

1290
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: arrange for Frank to appear on the fifty five KRSE

1291
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: Morning Show. Frank, A real honor to have you here

1292
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: in my studio today, sir. Let me start by thanking

1293
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: you for your service to our country.

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Speaker 13: I'm glad to be here, and.

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: I guess we'll thank your mom for letting you enlist

1296
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: in the United States military at the age of seventeen.

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Speaker 13: Yes, we had. Mom had five kids in the service.

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01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: Oh five kids. I think you were going to say

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Speaker 1: mom had five kids and she wanted the house.

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Speaker 13: No, wait, she had fifteen kids.

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01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: Five and fifteen kids. Yes, wow, what part of the

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01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: country you grow up in?

1303
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 4: We from here, this local area.

1304
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 13: Well, the first thing I remember is Erie Avenue. I

1305
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 13: was about five years old, you know, and I remember

1306
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 13: things about that. But and then from there we went

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 13: to Madisonville. Depression hit. Dad was cut down to three

1308
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 13: days a week. Had a good job, but three days,

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01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 13: fifteen pair of shoes and you know. So he moved

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01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 13: us out to Mount Holly, which is past Amelia, and

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01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 13: had a farm and we had a truck garden, chickens, cow,

1312
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 13: we had milk and you know, short food from that

1313
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 13: dead had. He had to work in the city, okay,

1314
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 13: twenty five miles away, and he took a bus. He's

1315
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 13: not a good driver. In fact, what happened is he

1316
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 13: finally bought a car and he had two wrecks. So

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01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 13: we had to move out. This is gonna be a

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01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 13: funny story. But my sister June, who was four years

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01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 13: older than me, made sure that I went to school

1320
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 13: every morning and we had to catch a bus. So

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01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 13: June got me dressed and we went out, caught the bus,

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01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 13: went to school. We come home from school, okay, and

1323
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 13: the house was empty. They had moved. Oh, the whole

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01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 13: family had moved while.

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01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 4: You were at school.

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01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 13: Yeah, oh my god, Well it had too many people

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01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 13: to count. It's like story, that's yeah, So we stood there.

1328
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 13: What the hell you do? You know I'm five years old?

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01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 13: You know she's nine. So uh. Luckily the man next

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01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 13: door worked at the railroad in town at nighttime, Man

1331
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 13: Mad and mister Ross, God bless him. He saw his

1332
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 13: standing there and he says, you're a family have moved,

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01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 13: you know, He said, I know where they went. Give me,

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01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 13: give me a couple of minutes and I get dressed

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01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 13: and I'll take you there.

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01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 4: So I go to work, right, and he did.

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01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 13: He dropped us off at Lost three up in Coreyville.

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01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: So what was the reaction from uh, from mom and

1339
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: day when you showed up at the door, Like, Mom,

1340
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: what the hell's going on?

1341
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 4: You moved away? Anything? Nothing?

1342
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 13: Oh?

1343
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 4: There you are?

1344
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: Wow?

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01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 13: Well, many times I had a brother year younger than me,

1346
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 13: and one two years. We were the three Musketeers. We

1347
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 13: traveled all over the city and you knew everything. I

1348
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 13: shined shoes when I was eight years old.

1349
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 4: All about it.

1350
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 13: I could get in the bars. My dad was a

1351
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 13: professional fighter, okay, and all the bouncers knew him. So

1352
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 13: I was shining shoes for about a year. And anyway,

1353
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 13: I don't want to get the story on the shoes.

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01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, well okay, yeah, yeah.

1355
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: Anyway, he's already warned you about, you know, our dump

1356
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: button in language issues, which we can all joke around

1357
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: off air as much as we want. Yeah, you gotta

1358
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: watch ourselves a lot of air. Yeah okay. So fast

1359
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: forward to age seventeen. Had you graduated from high school already?

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01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 13: Yeah, he just had graduated. In fact, the idea that

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01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 13: I had to graduate to get the Marquette University to

1362
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 13: study to be in a navy pilot.

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01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 4: Okay.

1364
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 13: Otherwise I was going to go because most of my

1365
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 13: end when they became seventeen, they enlisted.

1366
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so everybody around you was doing that.

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01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 13: Yeah, see I was going to pick up school afterwards,

1368
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 13: which would they do?

1369
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: And I want to dwell on that whole that little

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01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: aspect right there, it's a very important one. Not to

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01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: discount by saying little. But you joined, all of your

1372
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: friends were joining. You wanted to join and serve. Were

1373
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: your motivations patriotism, revenge for the for Pearl Harbor, just

1374
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: because everybody else was doing it inside?

1375
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 4: What were you thinking? What was driving you to want

1376
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 4: to enlist?

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01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 13: I don't think kids my age were too much into it.

1378
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 13: You know, they realized what happened. I remember on a

1379
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 13: Sunday morning hearing it. You know, but you were an

1380
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 13: oddball if you didn't go in.

1381
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 4: Pure pressure. Yeah four if see, you didn't want that label.

1382
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 13: Didn't want that label. See. The funny thing is I

1383
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 13: went down with four guys and I was the only

1384
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 13: one selected. One guy only had one eye. You didn't

1385
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 13: know it, you know, Yeah, he didn't tell anybody. Yeah.

1386
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 13: One guy got in an argument with the recruiting guy

1387
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 13: and he made it a purpose to say that you were.

1388
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:21,520
Speaker 4: Insubordinate.

1389
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 13: No, it was uh, he he was color blind. But

1390
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 13: the army took him. Yeah, the Navy. You know, this

1391
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 13: guy was mad's as well. He's not going to get

1392
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 13: in the navy, you know. So uh and the other

1393
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 13: guy had a lot of problems. Okay, so uh So

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01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 13: I was selected and I went off by myself.

1395
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 4: By yourself? And what was where were you first assigned?

1396
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 13: After I went the Great Legs.

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01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: Uh that's the one up in Chicago.

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01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:59,759
Speaker 13: R Yeah, boot what they call boot camp, and then uh,

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01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 13: they wanted me. They tell you what you're good for,

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01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 13: and they said, well you can join gunnery school. So

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01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,839
Speaker 13: I went to gunnery school. I come out first into school.

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01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 13: They sent me to Pontiac, Michigan by myself, and I

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01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,919
Speaker 13: was studying new guns that they were developing in Pontiac, Michigan.

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01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 13: So I had an expertise in that that nobody else had,

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01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 13: except a few guys that were there with me from

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01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 13: different schools. So after that, I got a paper that says,

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01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 13: go pick up a ship in Seattle. Okay, So I'm

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01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 13: on the train going to Seattle. The ship wasn't ready

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01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 13: to be fitted. They sent me a shoemaker. They put

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01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 13: me on short patrol. I remember saving the Marines. But

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01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 13: because he's fighting with some Mexican kid down and you know,

1412
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 13: I advance and this special cop wants to beat him up,

1413
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 13: and me and the special cop went around a circle.

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01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 13: Because I was short patrol, I said, I'll take care

1415
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 13: of him, you know. So I did the little things

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01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 13: that's going to come to my mind. So anyway, then

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01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 13: the ship was ready. I go up to Puget Sound,

1418
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 13: pick up the ship and we head out. And the

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01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 13: next thing, we're laying off of one guom Tinny Anne

1420
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 13: and tie end. We're all tied in together and our

1421
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 13: ship was sitting there waiting for an escort, and all

1422
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,959
Speaker 13: of a sudden I get a call from my ordance

1423
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 13: officer and I meet him up on the deck and

1424
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 13: he said, you're being transferred to fleet Marines. Okay, so

1425
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 13: they you go what they tell you to do, you know?

1426
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 13: So I said, okay, what happened? So I was transferred

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01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 13: to an LCM, which is a different ship than mine.

1428
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 13: I had an lsd uh which was called landing ship.

1429
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 13: So uh, I stayed there with these marines on this

1430
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 13: LCM and finally we hit the beach. Lady, Ah, it's

1431
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 13: not like the movies. Believe me, I can tell you.

1432
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 13: Going into that beach is not.

1433
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: Like the movie under Fire.

1434
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,799
Speaker 13: Well, I don't know what. Luckily, we were not under fire.

1435
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 13: It was like the fourth Landing.

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01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 4: Okay.

1437
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 13: In fact, the funny thing that happened is being the

1438
01:13:54,880 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 13: only Navy man amongst these marines. Somebody was sending semaphore

1439
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 13: with the flags on the beach, yeah, and uh I

1440
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 13: could read it, so I was reading it to him.

1441
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 13: Ended up saying welcome Marines about okay, And when we

1442
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 13: got on the beach, you hear it was a native girl.

1443
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 13: Some marine must have taught must have tottered to do

1444
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:23,560
Speaker 13: the flags.

1445
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you, sir, I would much much rather

1446
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 1: be greeted by a Native girl than the end of

1447
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: a bayonet or a heavy fire machine gun.

1448
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 4: As he landed on the beach.

1449
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: Real quick here, because we're gonna have to take a break.

1450
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: We'll come back and hear more from you and again.

1451
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: World War two veteran Frank wetting Camp in studio. You said,

1452
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: it's nothing like they show in the movies, and that

1453
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: immediately made me think of like Omaha Beach or one

1454
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: of the landings where you're under fire. You said you

1455
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: were like the fourth waves of the beach had been secured.

1456
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 1: When you say, nothing like the movies.

1457
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 13: No, but we didn't know that.

1458
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so you know you were expecting there.

1459
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 13: Was no joke. You know, Hey, you know this is

1460
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 13: a rough ride, and you know all the movies, right right,

1461
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 13: they got to stay something.

1462
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, quiet, quiet, definitely quiet. Yeah, let's pause from it.

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01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: We'll continue with World War Two veteran Frank Wedding Camp.

1464
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: Ryan Thomas enjoying so far, and I'm certin for the

1465
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: balance of the hour of my conversation with World War

1466
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,759
Speaker 1: two veteran ninety six year old Frank wedding camp enlisted

1467
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: at seventeen. Sounded like peer pressure had a lot to

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: do with it. And he probably served his country in

1469
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: World War Two and actually after that as well. We're

1470
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: gonna get more details. When last we left Frank in

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01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: our story, he was landing on the beach. Was it

1472
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: was guaem was it not?

1473
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 4: Lady?

1474
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 13: Yeah? And where MacArthur went in.

1475
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 4: Where MacArthur went in, yeah, and lady and.

1476
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,520
Speaker 13: You went in four times.

1477
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 1: I shouldn't tell the return was more successful if I recall,

1478
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: but yeah, but you were met by a lady when

1479
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: you when you landed on the beach, which I love.

1480
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 1: I love that part of the story, Frank, that's hilarious.

1481
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: So what was what happened next?

1482
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 13: Well, I land on the beach. I was supposed to

1483
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 13: set up the gun that I studied in Pontiac, which

1484
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 13: is a ninety millimeter gun aircraft to keep the Japanese

1485
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 13: planes from straff and the guys on the beach. Okay, okay,

1486
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 13: And what happened? MacArthur was furious. I can tell you that, okay,

1487
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 13: because I ended up at this U, the capital of Lady,

1488
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 13: because the gun didn't show up. I had nothing to do.

1489
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 13: They took me up to Kokolopin, Okay, which was the capital,

1490
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 13: and MacArthur's making his four landings. He fell down.

1491
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: I forgot about that, that's right.

1492
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, yeah he was a great general, but he,

1493
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 13: you know, he was just had that type of thing that.

1494
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 1: Had to be perfect, present a certain proection.

1495
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 4: Aura about made more deals.

1496
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 13: I'm gonna tell you about the deal. Anyway. So anyway,

1497
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 13: there I was, Truman drops the bomb. The war's over.

1498
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 13: I think I'm going home. So I get a paper

1499
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 13: report to FASU number three, Okay, which I didn't know

1500
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 13: what was floating ammunition storeach three. So I go to

1501
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 13: Subic Bay, Okay. I go to Subic Bay. I pick

1502
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 13: up twenty two American prisoners. They volunteered to help me

1503
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 13: do what I was doing, Okay, And then if we

1504
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 13: got it done, they were allowed to go home instead

1505
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 13: of back to prison. And that was the deal with them.

1506
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: Oh, they were imprisoned by American Americans. This was in prison.

1507
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 1: These were guys who ran a fast of US military.

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01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 13: I see, yeah, yeah, they were they were a bundle

1509
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,799
Speaker 13: of the Yeah, they were a bundle of the handle.

1510
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 13: I'm gonna tell you, you know, because someone was a

1511
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 13: little psychle you know. Oh sure, I had a monkey name,

1512
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 13: you know, and uh, in fact, I had two of them,

1513
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 13: but I had one and he was going to be

1514
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 13: And this redhead guy from Saint Louis, he come over

1515
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 13: and I catch him taking a half of an orange

1516
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,560
Speaker 13: and rubbing it into Monky's face. So, you know, you

1517
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 13: gotta be I told him, look, your men, you keep

1518
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 13: your place clean. I'm not gonna be on your butt, okay.

1519
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,480
Speaker 13: And if everything's if you don't keep it clean, you're

1520
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 13: the guy that don't keep his place clean. He's going

1521
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 13: to clean up for everybody else. And that was the deal.

1522
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 13: And they they volunteered on everything.

1523
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 4: See, and your job was to dispose of.

1524
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 13: We were Our job, as far as the country was concerned,

1525
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 13: was to dump this ammunition. They already here's the point.

1526
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 13: They already had a crew there. So why did they

1527
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 13: take that crew away and bring us in? Okay? So

1528
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 13: I thought to myself, something's wrong here. So I got

1529
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 13: real close. There were seventeen huts on the edge of

1530
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 13: the beach. We were stationed in a bay about one

1531
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 13: hundred yards away, no, not even that far, maybe seventy

1532
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:39,759
Speaker 13: five but they were lined up on the beach, seventeen huts. Okay,

1533
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 13: all native up in the hill was a pack of

1534
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 13: communists gorillas, Okay, and we knew all this. I got

1535
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 13: real close with sal who was the chief of the village.

1536
01:19:54,320 --> 01:20:00,799
Speaker 13: He was a captain in the Philippine Gorillas. What happened

1537
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 13: when MacArthur made the deal for getting them prisoners out

1538
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 13: of Manila before the Japs killed them. They made a

1539
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 13: movie of it, you remember. And he made a deal

1540
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 13: with the communist gorillas. There was a Japanese camp here,

1541
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 13: in the Japanese camp here, okay. So he made a

1542
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 13: deal if the communist gorillas would make sure that these

1543
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 13: did not bother the escape.

1544
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 4: Route, right, the Japanese camps.

1545
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 13: Yeah, the Japanese and the America and the Philippine gorillas

1546
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 13: were on this side stopping the other one on okay.

1547
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 13: And they had to take them out and carts with

1548
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 13: donkeys and you know, and oxen. So it was a

1549
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 13: slow process.

1550
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 4: See.

1551
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 13: So the deal was if they if the communists hell,

1552
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 13: he would not bother him, I see, Okay, gave them

1553
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 13: that promise. Okay. So now we're sitting here, that's here,

1554
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 13: calming us up here, Okay. It didn't take long to

1555
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 13: figure we were an American, we were an American presence.

1556
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 4: Okay, ye.

1557
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 13: So, and it came about to me because I kept

1558
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 13: in touch with them. I used to stay at the village.

1559
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 13: They called me. They made me a little catamarand that

1560
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 13: I could run all around. We bought fruit and vegetables.

1561
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 13: They had chickens, we had eggs, and we became very close.

1562
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 13: I gave them blocks of TNT to blow up the fish.

1563
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 13: You know. I gave them car beans.

1564
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: If you're making fun, you're making friends with the locals,

1565
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: the load natives. They love you. You got Commi's up here

1566
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: in the hills. You got Japanese camp over here. And

1567
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: this is again after the war is over right, they're

1568
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: still there though. There's and MacArthur making deals with everybody

1569
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 1: to get our prisoners out of the area to help

1570
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: you destroy munitions at sea.

1571
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 4: That was That was a cover, all right, that's the cover.

1572
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: Now let's posset when we'll get the rest of the story,

1573
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: because we've got to take a break in the interest

1574
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: of keeping the show on the air. Happy to have

1575
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: in studio. World War Two veteran ninety six year old

1576
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: Frank Wetton Camp talking about his service towards the end

1577
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: of the and then after World War Two when we

1578
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: last left him. He's on Guam and he is along

1579
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: with former US prisoners that will be prisoners because they

1580
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: violated US military law. And they have been assigned, this

1581
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: whole ragtag group that you're in charge of, Frank, have

1582
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: been assigned to destroy what's left over of the ordinance

1583
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: after the war. So the commis in the Hills can't

1584
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: get it right? Is that really where we are on this?

1585
01:22:58,960 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 3: Well?

1586
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 13: We are? Is it? I kept I kept in touch

1587
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 13: with them. Rudolph Gloria was a nephew of the guy

1588
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 13: say Away. We wrote back and forth when I came home, Okay,

1589
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 13: And the last letter I got said that sal the

1590
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 13: chief Okay was kidnapped by the communists. Our presence was gone.

1591
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 13: Oh they took off, the whole village took off and

1592
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 13: went to Manila.

1593
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: Okay, because the comedies were taken over.

1594
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,799
Speaker 13: Because they come down here and took over the whole village.

1595
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 1: So you were you your force was the stabilizing force.

1596
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: You guys kept the peace among these different.

1597
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 13: Facts until MacArthur pulled the plug.

1598
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 1: And once you're gone the comedies move in and they

1599
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: fought a civil war then cost okay.

1600
01:23:56,360 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 13: The Marco was ahead of the Communists, no, ahead of

1601
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 13: the and he became president. His wife had three thousand pair.

1602
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 1: Of shoes, that's right. So that's where they came from.

1603
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 13: He was he was a nice guy.

1604
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know it's interesting anyways, because you all

1605
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,719
Speaker 1: right and beat the connies doesn't mean that you're gonna

1606
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: end up necessarily better off.

1607
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 13: Yeah, Sue Big Bay where I was at, you said,

1608
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 13: go on, But Sue b where I was at, it's

1609
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 13: now as a resort. They got a golf course. Yeah,

1610
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 13: they've got The water was beautiful, I mean absolutely beautiful.

1611
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 13: You know, I met people on a cruise who were

1612
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 13: school teachers from Philippines and we talked about, you know,

1613
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 13: what happened. So anyway, that was the end of that,

1614
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 13: you know. But just a quirky thing. You know, that

1615
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 13: happens in the service. It happens. You know. I never

1616
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 13: got to shoot the ninety millimeters gun. I spent monch.

1617
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 4: I moved all over the place.

1618
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 13: I'll tell you. I was all trades, one man. You know,

1619
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 13: last scene, nobody wants his job. Frank's you call Frank.

1620
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 4: Frank, He'll do it. He'll do anything. Frank muttin camp.

1621
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna pause right now, we'll come back. We'll find

1622
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: out what it was like returning after the combat, after

1623
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 1: the service to the United States neighborhood, change your reactions

1624
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: with other people who served in the general environment and folks,

1625
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: if you'd like to call, say word to two to

1626
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: Frank feel free five one, three, seven, four nine, fifty

1627
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eight two three talk seven thirty nine.

1628
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 1: Here fifty five Krcity Talk Station, an extra special flag

1629
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: Day Here at fifty five KRC Morning Show with World

1630
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 1: War two veteran ninety six year old Frank went and

1631
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 1: camp in studio and as promised, I was gonna go

1632
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,560
Speaker 1: to the funds before we find out about Frank's triumphant

1633
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: return from World War Two. We have a couple of callers.

1634
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: We're going to start with ten year old Jackson. Jackson,

1635
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 1: thanks for calling this morning. I know you have a

1636
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: couple of things and words is talking to say to Frank.

1637
01:25:58,439 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 1: Welcome to the morning show.

1638
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 5: If you don't want me, sir, what branch were you

1639
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 5: and did you see any battles when you were in

1640
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 5: World War Two?

1641
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 13: Actually the kind of ship I was on, Jackson, is

1642
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 13: it Jackson? Yeah, Jackson, there's all kinds of ships. And

1643
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 13: our ship was only had guns for any aircraft. We

1644
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 13: didn't have the big guns like the other ones did,

1645
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 13: so we never knew whether we hit somebody or hurt

1646
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 13: them or anything, you know, And so we missed that

1647
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 13: kind of action. We shot the guns a lot, but

1648
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 13: we didn't know whether we hurt somebody, you know. And

1649
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 13: of course that helps when you come home because you

1650
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 13: don't have that problem in your mind. Oh yeah, you see,

1651
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:04,480
Speaker 13: you know. So I was lucky, Jackson, and I appreciate

1652
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 13: you calling me and asking me about that.

1653
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 4: Jackson, thanks man for the call.

1654
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: So Navy and you did fight, but you didn't see

1655
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: the people you were bombing.

1656
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 4: Clear distinction on that one. Gun guns guns.

1657
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the phone. A friend of mine, Cribbage,

1658
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: Mike Cribbage. Mike was a sub mariner and he probably

1659
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: served his country. He's a little younger than you, I

1660
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 1: got to point out, Cribbage, Mike. Welcome to the show.

1661
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: Now you have a few words for Frank wetting Camp.

1662
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:33,799
Speaker 12: Yes, sir, welcome gentlemen, and Frank, thank you for your service.

1663
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,759
Speaker 12: I'm glad to see you chose the best service that'd.

1664
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: Be in the Navy.

1665
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 13: There you go.

1666
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:43,520
Speaker 12: You and my father may have swapped the same footsteps

1667
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 12: because my dad was in the fourth Marine Division, twenty

1668
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 12: fourth Regiment, and he did land on Saidpan Tenny and

1669
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,759
Speaker 12: Andy Rejima. So he spoke very highly of you guys

1670
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 12: that transported him to those beaches, and unfortunately he did

1671
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 12: see a lot of action there Injima. By the grace

1672
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 12: of God, he did make it home. So did you

1673
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 12: ever have any opportunities to run across some of our

1674
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 12: diesel boat submariners and your towards of duty.

1675
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 13: No, I didn't. I was pushed all over the place

1676
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 13: pretty much. But I appreciate these guys. I went into

1677
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 13: the beach, you know, and I realized what they had

1678
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 13: to go through just just to get in that boat

1679
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 13: and go in and not know what they're facing. That's

1680
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 13: a different that's a different feeling all together than what

1681
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 13: I was used to because I was honest.

1682
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 12: This morning reminds me so much of the stories that

1683
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 12: we would sit and talk my dad had. He did

1684
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 12: share a lot with us towards the life for him. Yes, sir,

1685
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 12: and and as Brian knows, I'm involved with on a flight.

1686
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 12: Drew Pappas has been over there a lot too, and

1687
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 12: it is an honor of privilege to be there four

1688
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 12: times a year to shake people like your hand, because

1689
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 12: without you, we would not be here today living in

1690
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 12: this country. Thank you, sir am.

1691
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 13: I feel very humble about that.

1692
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: Thank you So Mariner Mike appreciate the call it. I

1693
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: know Frank does as well. And see what Tom has

1694
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 1: to say. Tom from Hamilton has a word or two

1695
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: for you.

1696
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 4: Frank. Welcome to the show.

1697
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:13,839
Speaker 1: Tom.

1698
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 8: First of all, thanks for his service. And I'm also

1699
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 8: another Navy man. I was stationed in Civic Bay. Also,

1700
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 8: do you remember the down name Alonapoll.

1701
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:33,759
Speaker 13: Along a pool? Absolutely? Yeah, yeah, quite a little town.

1702
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 13: Wasn't quite a little town.

1703
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 14: Here we go.

1704
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 13: I was right by it.

1705
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 6: I was.

1706
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:42,480
Speaker 13: I had something I did THEMB. I had these prisoners

1707
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 13: and they wanted to celebrate a birthday and I sent

1708
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 13: them into the law to at to p X to

1709
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:55,719
Speaker 13: get something and they end up. They were wayward kids

1710
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 13: like and they end up and they end up in

1711
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 13: a long a pool and the Marines picked a up

1712
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 13: and put them in the prison. And I came over

1713
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 13: and tried to get them out, but they had broken

1714
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 13: their promise and they send them back. And I really

1715
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 13: was saying about that I couldn't do anything about it.

1716
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,799
Speaker 13: I told the Breen lieutenant, come on, give him a break.

1717
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 13: They've had enough problem, but he couldn't do anything about it.

1718
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 4: Tom.

1719
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 1: Thank you for your service to our country. I appreciate

1720
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: you calling in today. I think we can get Jay's calling. Jay,

1721
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: thanks for calling this morning. Welcome to the program, and

1722
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: I'll introduce you to Frank Wettingcam. Frank.

1723
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 4: This is Jay.

1724
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Speaker 11: Good morning, Frank. Thank you for your service. Thank you

1725
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 11: so much for your service. I really appreciate it. I'm

1726
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 11: glad to hear the callers calling in. And I don't

1727
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 11: know if we can ever, you know, do enough. Thank

1728
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 11: you doesn't seem to be enough, but man, we appreciate it.

1729
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 13: Well. Listen, I give talks on Veteran's Day and I

1730
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 13: always leave with the thought that these kids that are

1731
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 13: listening to me, we'll ever have to go to war.

1732
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 13: Oh wow, amen, everybody, which is the same thing. And

1733
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 13: thanks for calling, and I appreciate.

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01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 4: Your appreciate it.

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01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 15: Jay.

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01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 1: John, You're gonna have to hang on again and go

1737
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: into a break here, but I love me just real

1738
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: quickly as as Drew and uh, Frank wetting Camp are

1739
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: Vietnam World War two veteran been talking back and forth,

1740
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 1: and Drew has been remarkably silent. Drew was singing Frank's praises,

1741
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 1: not only I mean we know from me saying it

1742
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: over and over this morning. Frank's ninety six. The man

1743
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 1: is in amazing health. He still lives inde penalty. He

1744
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: golfs every week. He's up there painting his own porch

1745
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:45,640
Speaker 1: or painting his own house. It's like, how the hell

1746
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: you painting your own house? He goes, what I got

1747
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,719
Speaker 1: a scaffold out? Next It's like, I don't even paint

1748
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 1: my own house. Frank, you are absolutely amazing. We've got

1749
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: one more segment with Frank Wetton Camp and Jay or

1750
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 1: John Rather. You'll be the first call out of the

1751
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: gate five one, three, seven, four nine fifty five undred,

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01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eight two three talk seven forty nine

1753
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 1: I fift You have Kercity Talk Station, A true celebration

1754
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 1: of Flag Day with Frank Wettingcamp. He's our ninety six

1755
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: year old in studio, World War two veteran still going strong,

1756
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 1: and he certainly can. He's got a great recollection of

1757
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: memory about his time at World War Two. And we

1758
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 1: got one more caller online to ask you a question.

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01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 4: John.

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01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: It's John John. Welcome to the program. Welcome to the show.

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01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 15: Good morning, Brian. Thanks, I have a question from mister Wetcam. First,

1762
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 15: thank you for your service and being part of the

1763
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 15: men and women of the Greatest generation. And every morning

1764
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 15: I wake up and look at the news, I'm picking

1765
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 15: you people get greater every day, which there were more

1766
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:39,480
Speaker 15: of these around.

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01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 13: True, Thank you, Thank you, Joe.

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01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 9: I'd like I did some.

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01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:48,640
Speaker 15: I read a couple of books about MacArthur, and I

1770
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 15: wonder what you Bluewater sailors thought of MacArthur when you

1771
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 15: were in the theater over there, because I know in

1772
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 15: some of the books he wasn't a huge fan of

1773
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:02,800
Speaker 15: the navy, and what you guys at the shipboard level

1774
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 15: thought of him.

1775
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 13: We just knew that he was a good general in

1776
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 13: his moves, like when he went in the incheon in Korea.

1777
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 13: You know, I had a brother who was a frog

1778
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 13: man for thirty years and he he talks about having

1779
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 13: to do this under MacArthur. But you know, and I had.

1780
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 13: I didn't give much of a talk to anybody about MacArthur.

1781
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 13: But he was a deal maker, you know. Obviously made

1782
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 13: some deals in the Philippines that I reiterated. But he

1783
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 13: was mad at the Navy, and i'll tell you why.

1784
01:33:54,200 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 13: When he landed in Lady Halsey with his four aircraft

1785
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 13: carriers was supposed to keep the Japanese planes away, but

1786
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 13: the Japanese decided they sent out three decoy aircraft carriers

1787
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 13: and were traveling north. They drew Maguarth up with They

1788
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 13: drew Halsey away from Lady Beach after them. He wanted

1789
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 13: to kill all of those aircraft carriers. So MacArthur and

1790
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 13: him had a real falling out over that. Because Lady

1791
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 13: Golf at the time was the biggest worst naval battle

1792
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 13: that ever happened. They had the most ships. One incident

1793
01:34:55,439 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 13: was the Johnson destroyer going after a bat battleship and

1794
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 13: when they Japanese sunk it, the admiral of the ship

1795
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 13: that sunk it lined all his men up and saluted

1796
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:15,679
Speaker 13: the Johnson as it went down, and uh and then

1797
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 13: veered off. And that's uh and Halsey uh, So that

1798
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 13: was one incident, but him and Nimmits never got along.

1799
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 13: Nimtz did not want to go into Aara, They did

1800
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 13: not want to go to three different He said, we

1801
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:38,640
Speaker 13: can blockade the Philippines, cut off all their supplies and

1802
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 13: let them starve the death. We don't have to land

1803
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:46,759
Speaker 13: people there. They didn't have to land a Mettoia Palah,

1804
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:54,720
Speaker 13: two different islands. And Nimbus worse against it. But Truman, Uh,

1805
01:35:55,080 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 13: not Truman, but Roosevelt at the time. Okay, MacArthur had

1806
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 13: to go into the Philippines. But because of his promise.

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01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,600
Speaker 1: His promise, Yeah, he made the promise out loud, and

1808
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad he did. John, Thanks for the call, man,

1809
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: really appreciate that. Before we wind up, I wanted to

1810
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 1: bring up the Sonise Foundation because it was through the

1811
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: Gary Sneeze Foundation that you and Drew Pappus, our silent

1812
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 1: guests today met Drew. You can chime in on this

1813
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 1: the story of how you met Frank and how you

1814
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 1: came to be friends.

1815
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 4: Yeah. Thanks.

1816
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 16: First of all, five years ago, Colonel Todd Mayer arranged

1817
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 16: for the sydneyse Foundation to take approximately forty one World

1818
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 16: War two veterans and forty one guardians down to the

1819
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 16: World War Two Museum in New Orleans. And if you

1820
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 16: ever get a chance to go to New Orleans for

1821
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 16: any other purpose, go for the World War Two museum

1822
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 16: down there at National World War Two Museum. It is

1823
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 16: it is great. And so I was assigned through luck

1824
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 16: Frank at got the best guardian and that was me.

1825
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:05,720
Speaker 16: And you Yeah, that's right, that's true, and be half

1826
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 16: of that is right.

1827
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 4: Anyway, I'll tell you what.

1828
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 16: They treated us like gold. They treated they the first

1829
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 16: class all the way. I mean, Honor Flight does a

1830
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 16: fantastic job. I mean, you know, week in, week out,

1831
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 16: month and month out. The Sidneys Foundation much along the

1832
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:21,480
Speaker 16: same lines, took care of everything.

1833
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 4: And it was an experience. It was. It was.

1834
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,639
Speaker 16: I was talking to Todd Mayor last night and Frank

1835
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 16: will vouch for this. It was a trip of a lifetime.

1836
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 16: It was first class and I got to experience. And

1837
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:34,719
Speaker 16: it was for three days, three.

1838
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 13: Ninth three days.

1839
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 16: And you know, forty guys, forty World War Two veterans,

1840
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 16: some of which we had to carry on and off

1841
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 16: the buses.

1842
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:43,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1843
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 16: Jack Snyder from the West Side was there. Rest in

1844
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 16: peace he had you know, he passed away a few

1845
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 16: years ago. Remember Jack and just hearing the stories with

1846
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 16: these guys was something that cannot be replicated, can't be

1847
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:57,440
Speaker 16: can't be recreated.

1848
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 4: Really, it was just amazing.

1849
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 1: And we've been pals ever sense that's fantastic, And thank

1850
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: you Drew for bringing Frank and Frank coming in. It

1851
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 1: has been a distinct pleasure having you in my studio

1852
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 1: to talk to you, to hear your you know, the

1853
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 1: stories that you recall from World War Two, and the

1854
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 1: fact I know that you're still out there speaking to

1855
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: young people.

1856
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 4: That is outstanding.

1857
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:20,640
Speaker 1: You're a real true treasure and uh, we don't have

1858
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:21,799
Speaker 1: enough of you around anymore.

1859
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 4: That's it. That's a real shame and reality of life. It

1860
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 4: marches on.

1861
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 1: But thank you for passing along the love and the

1862
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 1: lessons learned for World War Two.

1863
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 13: Okay, my friend, I was glad to do it. And

1864
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:37,400
Speaker 13: a little plug for Andy here. He had us at

1865
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 13: the what what the hell was that place? Oh yeah,

1866
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 13: on Veterans today. We had people coming. It was up last.

1867
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a bunch of.

1868
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 16: Tod did I just helped out a little bit, very small,

1869
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 16: but you know, I got to tell you this is

1870
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 16: a treasure people need to take part in. I mean,

1871
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 16: this is something. We're losing more and more.

1872
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 4: People every day. Obviously it's the way life is.

1873
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 16: But I mean the fact that we've connected and connected

1874
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 16: with so many other veterans and so many other great

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01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 16: guys and girls. It's just it's an honor. It really

1876
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 16: is an audio for me to be at least here,

1877
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 16: you know, and we're gonna go have breakfast after this.

1878
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 4: Enjoy it. Yeah, they have a couple of cocktails. Wid

1879
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:24,679
Speaker 4: This guy sounds a.

1880
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 1: Fun guy to hang out with.

1881
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:26,639
Speaker 4: Frank's a lot of fun.

1882
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,600
Speaker 1: He definitely is. Frank a distinct pleasure. God bless you

1883
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 1: for your service to our country and spending time in

1884
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 1: the studio today with my listeners in celebration of Flag

1885
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: Day and an honor of you, my friend eight thirty

1886
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: fifty gout FIRCD talk Station. Very Happy Monday today made

1887
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 1: you an extra special happy because the return of Mandy

1888
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 1: Gunnas Sakara, author of Y'all Fired, a Southern Mills Guide.

1889
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,679
Speaker 1: You're restoring federalism and draining the swamp we had around

1890
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 1: in October when the book first came out. She spent

1891
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: at the center of the US energy and environmental policy

1892
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,560
Speaker 1: for a full decade from the Senate cloak Room to

1893
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 1: the Oval office of Veteran environmental attorney, energy strategist, and

1894
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 1: community cater served during President Trump's first term as chief

1895
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 1: of staff at the US Environmental Protection Agency. Currently a

1896
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 1: visiting fellow the Heritage Foundation, and welcome back. It is

1897
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 1: a real pleasure to have you back on the show, Mandy.

1898
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 17: Yeah, good to be with you.

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01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 9: Brian.

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01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, can I just sort of sum up what

1901
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 1: I think your perception is that this DOGE Department is

1902
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: like the answer to your dreams?

1903
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think he summed it up. Well, it really is.

1904
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 18: And it's man, it's such a beautiful thing to see

1905
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:31,599
Speaker 18: because having been on the inside, even in my position

1906
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 18: as chief of staff and the access to the information.

1907
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 17: That I had, it was hard to paint the whole picture.

1908
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 18: You could pinpoint specific types of waste, fraud or abuse

1909
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:45,600
Speaker 18: or redundancies and efficiencies.

1910
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 17: You could pinpoint those sorts of things.

1911
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 18: But it really is a beautiful thing where you have

1912
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:52,719
Speaker 18: someone like Elon and his really talented team of software

1913
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 18: engineers going and looking at the data and then painting

1914
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 18: a big picture in ways that all of us can

1915
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 18: understand and all of us can see, and is an

1916
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 18: absolute misuse of taxpayer resources.

1917
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:04,799
Speaker 17: So yeah, it's an answer to a lot of prayers.

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01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 1: Actually, well, sunlight, it's a great disinfect and lord knows,

1919
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 1: we're getting a lot of it. And one of the

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01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 1: problems that I'm sure you probably during your period of

1921
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 1: time in the administration, we're as frustrated as anybody else

1922
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 1: the obstructionism that comes when when people that are responsible

1923
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:22,440
Speaker 1: for the oversight of our dollars, subcommittees, committees, the congressmen,

1924
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 1: the congress women, the senators, when they're told basically go

1925
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:27,479
Speaker 1: to hell when they ask for information.

1926
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 18: Yeah, really, I know, I know, it's it's really frustrating,

1927
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 18: and it's you know, that is part of their responsibility.

1928
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 18: Their responsibility is to report back to the public how

1929
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 18: they're using these funds and what it's actually doing. But

1930
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 18: it's not just the members of Congress, I mean you,

1931
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:48,600
Speaker 18: it's also these bureaucrats, these entrenched deep state bureaucrats.

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Speaker 17: And here's the truth.

1933
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 18: There is a there is a crisis of expertise on

1934
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 18: Capitol Hill.

1935
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 17: Frankly, you have a.

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01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 18: Lot of people there that don't really know what they're doing,

1937
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 18: so they're hot wholly dependent on deep state bureaucrats. Who've

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01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 18: been working at their job for thirty years to give

1939
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Speaker 18: them information they don't otherwise know how to get. So

1940
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Speaker 18: that's how the deep state works. They don't give them

1941
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Speaker 18: all the information. Maybe they give them a little drip

1942
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Speaker 18: drip here. But it's been many decades of this type

1943
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Speaker 18: of imbalance between an agency funded to eight at the

1944
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Speaker 18: tune of eight billion dollars and as EPA is an example,

1945
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Speaker 18: with that oversight staff of less than.

1946
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Speaker 17: Two million dollars trying to perform oversight, and.

1947
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Speaker 18: So you just have this massive mismatch and the resulting

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Speaker 18: consequences is just decades of layers of complexity and us

1949
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Speaker 18: not knowing how our resources are spent well.

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Speaker 1: And it's also seemed to be very obviously a just

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Speaker 1: simple lack of care of how money is spent. I mean,

1952
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Speaker 1: Musk over the weekend was talking about, you know, over

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Speaker 1: looking at through the Department of Treasury, right Treasury department,

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Speaker 1: and he says, you know, I was told that there

1955
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Speaker 1: were currently over one hundred million dollars a year of

1956
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 1: in time went payments individual with no social Security number,

1957
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Speaker 1: even a temporary ID number. And see, you know, he

1958
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Speaker 1: pulls the room and Treasury he says what percentage of

1959
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Speaker 1: that is unequivocal obvious fraud, And the consensus in the

1960
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Speaker 1: room was at least fifty billion dollars of it. That's

1961
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Speaker 1: something that's simple to fix. Look, no social Security number,

1962
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Speaker 1: no ID, you don't get any money. How hard is that?

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Speaker 18: It shouldn't be difficult at all? But that's what these agencies,

1964
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Speaker 18: they've just become all about, constantly asking for more money.

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Speaker 18: There is no incentive for the everyday bureaucrat to find

1966
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Speaker 18: ways to be incentive, to find ways to cut costs

1967
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Speaker 18: and to be truthful about the expenditure of those costs.

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Speaker 18: And there's this this mentality, this culture in DC that

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Speaker 18: people are almost entitled to these taxpayer resources, and when

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Speaker 18: you come in and you ask questions, they like to

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Speaker 18: pretend like they're these global do gooders and they're saying, oh,

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Speaker 18: but this poor person is going to lose access to

1973
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Speaker 18: these resources that they really need. Meanwhile, that person isn't

1974
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Speaker 18: even getting the fund. To the extent they're getting any

1975
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Speaker 18: it's barely enough to actually live.

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Speaker 17: But you know, it's coming off the top.

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Speaker 18: A fair amount is coming off the top and going

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Speaker 18: to nonprofits that either pad them personally or their relatives

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Speaker 18: or just grow the power of the left, which is

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Speaker 18: ultimately what they want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, non governmental organizations NGOs, you know, and quite a

1982
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Speaker 1: the ole. We're five oh one c three, we're not

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Speaker 1: for profit. Yeah, but you're making a salary of four

1984
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Speaker 1: hundred and five hundred thousand dollars a year. Is president

1985
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Speaker 1: or CEO the five o' one C three? I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what's happening.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's it's so discussing. It's

1988
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Speaker 17: so many of them is going to the spouses of people.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, just just look at the net worth

1990
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Speaker 18: of someone like Samantha Power. She was the administrator, the

1991
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Speaker 18: head essentially of USAID, and her net worth grew five times.

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Speaker 17: I think that's right. It's around that it's a significant number.

1993
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Speaker 17: Grew five times. Her salary has.

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Speaker 18: Been the same salaries for bureaucrats are typically capped out

1995
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Speaker 18: around one hundred and eighty thousand dollars. Yeah, somehow she

1996
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Speaker 18: has a mass a multi million dollar fortune and it

1997
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Speaker 18: just leaves you scratching your head, Huh, where did that

1998
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Speaker 18: money come from? And it's most likely because it was

1999
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Speaker 18: funnel to nonprofits of what she or her family was

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Speaker 18: sitting on the board and they get to reap the

2001
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Speaker 18: benefits of millions of dollars of taxpayer funds going into

2002
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Speaker 18: their back pocket, and they cover it up by saying, well,

2003
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Speaker 18: we're helping the poor in the world, We're giving people

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Speaker 18: in Africa access to water and food.

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Speaker 17: But really they are just patting their own personal coffers.

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Speaker 1: Well, and as I read through the list of these

2007
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Speaker 1: things that the Doge has revealed and the comments from

2008
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Speaker 1: the senators that you know, I had no idea that

2009
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Speaker 1: this money was being spent this way, And I said,

2010
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Speaker 1: wait a second, aren't she responsible for the power of

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Speaker 1: the purse? I mean, you go ahead and you allocate

2012
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Speaker 1: forty million dollars to USA, but then you stop. Somebody

2013
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 1: had to approve the project. But ultimately, you know, twenty

2014
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Speaker 1: million dollars goes to a sesame street show in a

2015
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:58,679
Speaker 1: rock And then how much of that twenty million dollars

2016
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Speaker 1: really went to the sesame street show in a rock production.

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01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:04,599
Speaker 1: It didn't land in some corrupt officials pocket. They don't

2018
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:06,760
Speaker 1: follow the trail of the money, and some of it

2019
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 1: just stops once the aid's been allocated to the general

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Speaker 1: collective US AID fund.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, that's right, and it's there's no accountability and no oversight.

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Speaker 18: And that's why you see the people who are screaming

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Speaker 18: the most, or the ones who have the most to

2024
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Speaker 18: lose in terms of this personal racket or money laundering scheme,

2025
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Speaker 18: if you will.

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Speaker 17: That's that is what it is.

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Speaker 18: These people are using their positions of trust and consequence

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01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 18: to siphon money off to the side to their benefit.

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01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 18: And they use stories of people that most people would

2030
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Speaker 18: say like, yeah, they could use some help, or of

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01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 18: course we would want to take care of these vulnerable populations.

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Speaker 18: They use that as a cover for their own sick game.

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Speaker 18: And those are the people who are sitting outside of

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Speaker 18: USAID or some of these other areas that are throwing

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Speaker 18: up their hands, and the Democrat members of Congress who

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01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,559
Speaker 18: are at the front of the line because they are

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Speaker 18: recipients of campaign donations from these people who are putting

2038
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Speaker 18: taxpayer resources in their own pocket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the to me, that is the most.

2040
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Speaker 1: I don't want I want to call it comical that

2041
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:15,760
Speaker 1: they're screaming at the top of their lungs over these

2042
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 1: funds being identified, these outlandish, outrageous programs that no American

2043
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 1: could find straight faced legitimate. They're not saying that the

2044
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: money didn't go to these stupid programs like shrimp running

2045
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 1: on treadmills. They're just screaming about the general focus on

2046
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:34,680
Speaker 1: USA and the fraud, waste abuse and defending it for

2047
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 1: some reason. Just there's there's no denial here. There's no

2048
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:41,080
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. That's a lie. Elon Musk is making

2049
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:41,559
Speaker 1: that up.

2050
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Speaker 18: It's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's just frustrating to see.

2051
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Speaker 18: And I will say though, it's it's frustrating to see

2052
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 18: some of the reaction, but you know, those people are

2053
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 18: in the minority now and that is a really wonderful feeling.

2054
01:47:57,439 --> 01:47:59,759
Speaker 18: And the cats out of the bag. I mean again,

2055
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 18: some of us who are on the inside. Some of

2056
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:04,640
Speaker 18: it was the fact that we didn't really understand the

2057
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:07,799
Speaker 18: links the deep State would go to cover their tracks,

2058
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 18: and they had decades to figure out ways to cover

2059
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:12,920
Speaker 18: up their tracks, and they're very, very good at it.

2060
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 17: So we were all in there.

2061
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 18: You know, you're drinking from a fire hose is the

2062
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 18: words people often used to describe what it's like to

2063
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 18: go into these positions, and a lot of us went

2064
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 18: in not knowing that the tricks that the deep State

2065
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 18: would use not just to confuse, but to try to

2066
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 18: undermine and to hide what they were actually doing.

2067
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 17: All that's over, So it really is.

2068
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 18: Great to see Elon Musk, his team, Department of Government Efficiency,

2069
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 18: and most importantly, the American people see this and they're

2070
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 18: behind the President and his work one hundred and ten percent.

2071
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it as well as I do. Yeah, Mandy,

2072
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 1: that they've only scratched the surface. I mean, Elon Musk

2073
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 1: has identified some real low hanging fruit just in one

2074
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 1: USA department. I mentioned the Treasury Department. He's worked there

2075
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 1: as long as he can get his access back centers

2076
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:04,320
Speaker 1: for Medicare and Medicaid Service, National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, Department

2077
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 1: of Energy, and Lord Almighty, nobody wants me more, that

2078
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,640
Speaker 1: wants the military spending to be audited more than me.

2079
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 1: They can't even pass an audit seven or eight times

2080
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 1: in a row.

2081
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 4: Mandy.

2082
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 17: I know, and I'm sure I'm sure you've seen.

2083
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 18: There was an interview not too long ago of one

2084
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:25,880
Speaker 18: of the UH one of the heads, one of the

2085
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 18: people who was responsible for these types of audits, and

2086
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,799
Speaker 18: you know, she was just incredulous that people would wouldn't

2087
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:35,599
Speaker 18: trust them. Yeah, we felled audits, but you don't understand

2088
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:37,920
Speaker 18: what an audit is is essentially her response, and it

2089
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,600
Speaker 18: doesn't really matter. Like again, this goes through there's this

2090
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:44,200
Speaker 18: culture of people in DC that are so arrogant and

2091
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 18: so flippant about their very real responsibility. And when people

2092
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 18: come around asking basic questions that they cannot answer, Uh,

2093
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 18: they they just they try to belittle you say that, well,

2094
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 18: you don't really understand it. If you were, if you

2095
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 18: were like me, you would understand. So yeah, look, Elon

2096
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:05,560
Speaker 18: Musk is scratching the surface. This type of misuse and

2097
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 18: miss expenditure of funds.

2098
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:10,959
Speaker 17: It permeates every single agency.

2099
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 18: So there's a lot more to come, and I'm excited

2100
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:14,799
Speaker 18: to see it, for it to finally be exposed.

2101
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:16,840
Speaker 1: A lot more to come and maybe even I'll keep

2102
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 1: my fingers crossed some criminal investigations into where this money

2103
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:23,920
Speaker 1: has landed. Manny, give us the car. Author of Y'all Fired,

2104
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:26,839
Speaker 1: A Southern Bell's Guide to Restoring Federalism and Draining the Swamp,

2105
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:28,879
Speaker 1: she had an advance on Doge.

2106
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 4: This is what the book's about.

2107
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 1: And I'm sure, I said, I know she's seeing it

2108
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 1: just come all to fruition with it being ferreted out.

2109
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Speaker 4: Mandy.

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Speaker 1: I got your book up on my blog page, but

2111
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Speaker 1: if I have caresee dot com so people can get

2112
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:40,680
Speaker 1: a copy of it to the extent they haven't done

2113
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 1: it already, and I'll encourage them to do so. It's

2114
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Speaker 1: been great here talking with you. Keep up the great

2115
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 1: work and looking forward to another volume maybe uh something

2116
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Speaker 1: like along the aftermath lines.

2117
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Speaker 17: Yeah, what it's like after y'all fired. Yeah, well we'll

2118
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:57,559
Speaker 17: come up with a guts out. But thank you, thanks

2119
01:50:57,560 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 17: for having me and thanks for the support.

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Speaker 1: Pleasure man, it's been a real treat. Hi's Ryan Thomas

2121
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 1: pleased to welcome to the fifty five Cassina Morning Show.

2122
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:08,400
Speaker 1: Cincinnati native Anson Freiks. He has a wild background. He's

2123
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:10,719
Speaker 1: the founder of Athletic Capital and co founder of Strive

2124
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 1: Asset Management, but prior to founding Strive, he led finance

2125
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 1: sales and underscore the word marketing operations as president of

2126
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Speaker 1: Anheuser Busch Sales and Distribution company, and he's written a

2127
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 1: book about it. Last Call for bud Light, The Fall

2128
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 1: and Future of America's Favorite Anson. It's great having you

2129
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Speaker 1: on the show.

2130
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 7: Thanks for having this morning, Brian, Well.

2131
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 1: What a dream job running a brewery and one of

2132
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 1: the biggest in the world. That had to have been

2133
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:38,519
Speaker 1: a good time up until what happened. And how come

2134
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:39,799
Speaker 1: you're not there anymore? Anson?

2135
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Speaker 7: Yeah, So brid just be clear, I left about a

2136
01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 7: year before Anna hazer Bush's partnership with Bill Maulvaney, So

2137
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Speaker 7: I wasn't there when the partnership happened, but I left

2138
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:50,479
Speaker 7: in part because I saw a lot of these problems

2139
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:52,960
Speaker 7: coming down the pipeline where the company really stopped focusing

2140
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,000
Speaker 7: on its customer, knew who its customer was. I mean,

2141
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:56,519
Speaker 7: when I was at Ane hazer Busch, we tried to

2142
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 7: win the Super Bowl ad Meter Award every single year

2143
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:01,800
Speaker 7: and that was really sort of the gold standard if

2144
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:03,840
Speaker 7: you got if you won this Superowl Adameter Award, that's

2145
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:05,600
Speaker 7: when you knew you were hitting the core customer. But

2146
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 7: over time, once the company was bought by kind of

2147
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 7: European and Belgian company called InBev, and you had a

2148
01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:15,480
Speaker 7: lot of sort of foreign folks from Europe and Belgium

2149
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 7: and in Brazil coming to the US, and they really

2150
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:20,920
Speaker 7: changed the marketing. They changed the marketing to fit more

2151
01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 7: of this diversity, equity inclusion standards. They're trying to win

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Speaker 7: awards over in Europe. That was forcing bud Light and

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Speaker 7: not do what bud Light was. So I saw the

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01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 7: company changing a little bit left. About a year before

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01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:32,120
Speaker 7: me and I actually founded a company with vid A

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01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:36,040
Speaker 7: Ramaswami from Cincinnati as well called Drive to ask companies

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01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:38,280
Speaker 7: not get involved in political issues. So it was really

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01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:40,080
Speaker 7: a collision of two worlds. When my old company, an

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Speaker 7: Hunter Bush did the partnership with Dylan Malvaaney about two

2160
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:46,040
Speaker 7: years ago actually this week, and then the company we

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01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:48,600
Speaker 7: started with Strive, we was telling companies now to get involved.

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01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:48,639
Speaker 4: In these things.

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01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:51,360
Speaker 7: It was bad for business. I became sort of the

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01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 7: person that was most knowledgeablebout the topic and kind of

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01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:54,960
Speaker 7: what went wrong.

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Speaker 1: Were you perhaps an impetus behind the Vex's book Woke Incorporated?

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01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 7: You know this was uh, this was this was before

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01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:05,600
Speaker 7: Vivid wrote the book, right when we were kind of

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01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:07,840
Speaker 7: starting Strives. I think he was the one who wrote

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Speaker 7: Wolks Incorporated. And you know, I wrote this book Last

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01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:12,320
Speaker 7: Call for bud Life, and hopefully it's sort of the

2172
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 7: last time that companies need to get involved in political

2173
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:17,479
Speaker 7: and social issues and reminds people that man, the most

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01:53:17,479 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 7: sustainable thing a business can do is focus on its customers,

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01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,519
Speaker 7: give them great products and services, stay out of all

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01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 7: the issues that companies have gotten involved in over the

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01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 7: last couple of years. Whether it's been the transgendered issues,

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01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:28,720
Speaker 7: whether it's been roe Vy weight issues, whether it's been

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01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:29,839
Speaker 7: voting rights issues.

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01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:30,720
Speaker 4: I mean, you name it.

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Speaker 7: You've had so many companies get involved in things that

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01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:36,120
Speaker 7: really aren't in their mission or their their their core

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01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,600
Speaker 7: kind of customer promise. And that's what's led to a

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01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:40,519
Speaker 7: lot of the issues. Whether it's been at Disney, or

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01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 7: it's been at Nike, or it's been at Starbucks, Ben

2186
01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:46,320
Speaker 7: and Jerry, you name it. There's been so many companies that, unfortunately,

2187
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 7: have lost millions of customers, you know, billions of dollars

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01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 7: of value and have had to fire a lot of

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01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:54,400
Speaker 7: employees or have had their suppliers shut down solely because

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01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:57,240
Speaker 7: they fragmented their customer base by by you know, getting

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01:53:57,240 --> 01:53:58,519
Speaker 7: involved in issues they shouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: Well, it defines logic reason that a major corporation like

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01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaker 1: Anheuser Busch would engage in actual advocacy along any of

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01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:09,560
Speaker 1: these lines, because, of course, the world is filled with

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01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:11,360
Speaker 1: a diverse group of people and that already holds that

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01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:15,519
Speaker 1: particular ideology that they would be alienating a sizable chunk,

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01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 1: particularly a beer company, a sizeable chunk of their base.

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Speaker 1: It just seems so obvious. How is it that any

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01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:27,440
Speaker 1: advertising department could just fail to recognize such a simplistic, logical,

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01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:30,799
Speaker 1: and reasonable concept as that and go the opposite direction.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you're you're right, Brian. I mean, you know,

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01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:36,240
Speaker 7: most beer drinkers, they just want their beer cold and

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01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:39,840
Speaker 7: they want it fresh. That's essentially the value proposition, even

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01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 7: for a brand like bud Light. Bud Light was the

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01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 7: biggest beer brand in the US because it had this

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01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:47,600
Speaker 7: idea that wanted to be easy to drink, easy to enjoy.

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01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:50,920
Speaker 7: It was like an easy drinking, simple logger, and it

2208
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:53,520
Speaker 7: was always a humorous, funny, kind of kind of beer brand.

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Speaker 7: And really, I think a lot of the DNA of

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01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 7: the company. It changed really in the two thousand and

2211
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 7: eight two thousand and nine time period when Anne hazer Busch,

2212
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:04,240
Speaker 7: which was this historic US American owned brand and beer company,

2213
01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 7: was bought by InBev, which is again this European and

2214
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:11,320
Speaker 7: Belgian company. And then also when the company the Europeans

2215
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:13,880
Speaker 7: and kind of Belgians who bought it. They moved the

2216
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:17,720
Speaker 7: headquarters of an hazer Bush from Saint Louis, Missouri, to

2217
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:19,640
Speaker 7: New York City. And this happened in sort of like

2218
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:23,120
Speaker 7: the twenty sixteen twenty seventeen time period. And at that time,

2219
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:25,360
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, you're hiring people that just grew

2220
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 7: up in New York City, that only attended New York

2221
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 7: City schools. They had only seen the US through the

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01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:32,120
Speaker 7: lens of you know, kind of Fifth Avenue, and that's

2223
01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:34,720
Speaker 7: not really who the core beer drinker was. And even

2224
01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:38,440
Speaker 7: the lady that was running bud Light when named Alissa Heinerschnein,

2225
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:40,360
Speaker 7: who was doing the part who did the partnership with

2226
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 7: Dylan Malvaney. I know Alyssa, and you know, nice, nice girl,

2227
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:46,640
Speaker 7: but then grew up in New York, went to boarding schools,

2228
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 7: went to Harvard for undergrad went to Wharton and UPenn

2229
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 7: for business school. You know, I don't know if she

2230
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 7: never drank a bud Light in her life. I knew who'

2231
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:55,120
Speaker 7: somebody who was And so that's where the company really

2232
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:58,400
Speaker 7: started going wrong. And then on top of that, there

2233
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:01,080
Speaker 7: was a real sort of push over the last five years.

2234
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 7: By this I called this coalition of of sort of

2235
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 7: a DEI and ESG enablers. That was, you had large

2236
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 7: asset managers like black Rock, State Street, Vanguard, the Control

2237
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 7: twenty two million dollars a capital, largest investors in company

2238
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 7: like Anhezard Bush. They were pushing this esgdi agenda. You

2239
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 7: had large consulting companies like McKenzie and Bain. They were

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Speaker 7: kind of selling DEI consulting services on how companies needed

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01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:26,880
Speaker 7: to become more diverse, more equitable, more inclusive. And then

2242
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:30,400
Speaker 7: you had a lot of really activist organizations, especially under

2243
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:33,720
Speaker 7: sort of like the Biden administration, that were going to companies,

2244
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 7: things like the Human Rights Campaign, things like other organizations

2245
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:40,040
Speaker 7: that really pushed sort of aggressive ideologies on companies and

2246
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:43,200
Speaker 7: shame them if they didn't if they didn't abide. And

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01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:46,160
Speaker 7: so therefore you had this sort of you know, coalition

2248
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:48,800
Speaker 7: of actors that were putting a lot of pressure on companies.

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01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:50,520
Speaker 7: And as you had sort of the wrong people at

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01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 7: the companies that were running brands, Unfortunately they were susceptful

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01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:57,000
Speaker 7: and fell for you know, this this progressive agenda that

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01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:59,240
Speaker 7: just didn't sit with most most Americans.

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01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:02,680
Speaker 1: Well, so you have basically this echo chamber of liberal

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01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:05,480
Speaker 1: voices talking to each other and only listening to each other,

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01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 1: but failing to appreciate that the underlying motive and reason

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01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:11,360
Speaker 1: that the business is in business is to generate profit

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01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 1: and revenue. I mean, they seem to have lost track

2258
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 1: and the focus of what was important is that's serving

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01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:19,960
Speaker 1: the shareholder's best interest. That's a fiduciary obligation of board

2260
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:23,040
Speaker 1: of directors' owns. And again, you got to step outside

2261
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:26,360
Speaker 1: of yourself and think even these left wing nutcases that

2262
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 1: haven't heard anything but their own voices have to understand

2263
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:31,600
Speaker 1: that they don't hold the only viewpoint and they might

2264
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:33,440
Speaker 1: want to do a little bit of polling and research

2265
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:35,040
Speaker 1: ahead of time to find out if this is the

2266
01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:37,120
Speaker 1: right road to go down, because it may be bad

2267
01:57:37,160 --> 01:57:39,920
Speaker 1: for the bottom line.

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01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:42,880
Speaker 7: Brian, You're exactly right, and that's it. And unfortunately a

2269
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:45,280
Speaker 7: lot of these folks they didn't do the thinking and

2270
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,280
Speaker 7: they thought, and frankly, they got away with it for

2271
01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 7: a number of years, and there was this more of

2272
01:57:51,960 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 7: philosophical battle that's been going on for really ten years

2273
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:56,960
Speaker 7: of what's the purpose of the corporation. You talked about

2274
01:57:57,000 --> 01:58:00,760
Speaker 7: historically businesses that they were in the business to give

2275
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:02,960
Speaker 7: returns to shareholders. That was kind of the Milton Friedman

2276
01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:05,080
Speaker 7: view of the world. That's been happening since the nineteen

2277
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 7: seventies where Milton Friedman, famous economists here in the US,

2278
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 7: wrote this article about the social purpose of a business

2279
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:12,520
Speaker 7: is to return money to shareholders. How do they do that?

2280
01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:15,160
Speaker 7: Create create products and services folks in your customer that

2281
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:18,640
Speaker 7: allows you to get to do more innovation, hire more people,

2282
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:19,840
Speaker 7: you know, be involved.

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01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:20,080
Speaker 6: In your community.

2284
01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 7: And there's been this push towards this more this European

2285
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:27,200
Speaker 7: stakeholder capitalism model, which is that's the cloud Schwab world

2286
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:30,640
Speaker 7: economic form, this globalist kind of view that says no, no,

2287
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 7: businesses need to work with governments and other stakeholders, the

2288
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:36,880
Speaker 7: kind of social engineer policy. I reject that view because

2289
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:38,240
Speaker 7: then you end up with what we did over the

2290
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:41,080
Speaker 7: last couple of years, where you had businesses getting involved

2291
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:43,240
Speaker 7: in all these social and political issues that alienated their

2292
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:46,839
Speaker 7: customer base. That led to millions of customers leaving these businesses,

2293
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:50,160
Speaker 7: thousands of people getting fired, and then massive losses in

2294
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:53,400
Speaker 7: share market value for companies. And that's not sustainable.

2295
01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 1: No, it's not, and the demand for beer I don't

2296
01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:58,920
Speaker 1: think went away. What this did to bud Light, the

2297
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 1: most popular beer in Erica at one point, is people said,

2298
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to buy that because of this woke

2299
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:07,680
Speaker 1: crap and this you know, this Dylan mulvaney person. I'm

2300
01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:09,640
Speaker 1: going to go over and I'm going to sample maybe

2301
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:12,160
Speaker 1: one of the other thousands of beers that exists, and

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01:59:12,200 --> 01:59:14,600
Speaker 1: they found there were other beers that were maybe even

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01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:18,080
Speaker 1: tasted better that they chose over bud Light. They were

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01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:20,840
Speaker 1: longtime bud dry Light drinkers, weren't inclined to try something else,

2305
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 1: so this forced them to try another product, and they

2306
01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:25,560
Speaker 1: found out in the world of competition, if you make

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01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:27,160
Speaker 1: a better product, people will buy it.

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01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:29,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:59:29,120 --> 01:59:30,000
Speaker 4: No, that's exactly it.

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01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:31,240
Speaker 7: And I think one of the other things that this

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01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:33,320
Speaker 7: showed as well, this is one of the very first

2312
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:36,120
Speaker 7: times that there was actually like a real consumer boycott

2313
01:59:36,160 --> 01:59:37,680
Speaker 7: of a brand. You know, there's been a lot of

2314
01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:39,720
Speaker 7: people that were upset over the last five years, maybe

2315
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,000
Speaker 7: the NFL when you had a lot of players kneeling,

2316
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:45,400
Speaker 7: or the NFL was was going down. You know, the

2317
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:48,480
Speaker 7: whole Black Lives Matter movement, which became very controversial but

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01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:50,640
Speaker 7: the thing is like if you are you know when

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01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:52,680
Speaker 7: I watch football on Sundays, there's no real alternatives in

2320
01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:53,200
Speaker 7: the NFL.

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01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:53,440
Speaker 4: Right.

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01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:55,960
Speaker 7: One of the reasons is bud Light boycott was so successful.

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01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:58,400
Speaker 7: There's really two reasons. One, there's a lot of alternatives

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01:59:58,400 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 7: to bud Light. I mean everywhere you have butt Light,

2325
02:00:00,160 --> 02:00:02,400
Speaker 7: cores Light, you have Miller Lite, and they're all in

2326
02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:04,240
Speaker 7: the same six packs, are on draft and the same

2327
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 7: price points. It's really easy to pick those up. And

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02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:10,240
Speaker 7: then secondarily, people were seeing the impact that they had

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02:00:10,280 --> 02:00:13,520
Speaker 7: because every single week, sales of bud Light are reported

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02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:17,160
Speaker 7: at retailers like Walmart and Kroger in seven to eleven,

2331
02:00:17,400 --> 02:00:19,640
Speaker 7: so every week you were seeing that sales were down

2332
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:22,960
Speaker 7: ten percent, twenty percent, thirty percent. And then you were

2333
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:25,160
Speaker 7: seeing all these pictures on social media nobody being in

2334
02:00:25,160 --> 02:00:27,520
Speaker 7: the bud Light line at you know, Cincinnati Red's gates

2335
02:00:27,600 --> 02:00:28,680
Speaker 7: or a Bengals games, they're.

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02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:30,000
Speaker 4: Off the cores lightlines for it's start.

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02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:31,920
Speaker 7: Now you're at the point where bud Light sales, I

2338
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:34,080
Speaker 7: mean they've been down. They're down fifty percent from where

2339
02:00:34,120 --> 02:00:37,160
Speaker 7: they were two years ago, which is absolutely crazy to

2340
02:00:37,200 --> 02:00:39,400
Speaker 7: think about. You see a brand implode like.

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Speaker 1: That last call for bud Light to fall and future

2342
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:45,120
Speaker 1: of America's favorite beer. Speaking of the last component of

2343
02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:48,560
Speaker 1: the subtitle, is there a way for them to rehabilitate?

2344
02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:51,560
Speaker 1: Can bud Light ever recapture that top spot?

2345
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:54,800
Speaker 7: You know, I don't think into the current leadership that

2346
02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:56,840
Speaker 7: they can. They had multiple chances to go to their

2347
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:59,240
Speaker 7: loyal consumer base say hey, we screwed up. We never

2348
02:00:59,240 --> 02:01:01,800
Speaker 7: said but like involved in these like in these political

2349
02:01:01,800 --> 02:01:04,080
Speaker 7: and social issues, and so I think the current the

2350
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 7: current group, which is again is a Belgian owned company,

2351
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:09,560
Speaker 7: and they have US leadership that hasn't been able to apologize.

2352
02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:11,240
Speaker 7: I think what they actually do is they actually need

2353
02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:12,840
Speaker 7: to sell the US business. I think they need to

2354
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:15,360
Speaker 7: sell that US business back to a group like I

2355
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:18,320
Speaker 7: don't call it Warren Buffett or Berkshire Hathaway or who knows,

2356
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:20,160
Speaker 7: maybe the Bush family. And I think you need to

2357
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:22,760
Speaker 7: have real leadership come back in for the for you know,

2358
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:25,360
Speaker 7: the American population, they're actually pretty forgiving. And I think

2359
02:01:25,400 --> 02:01:26,960
Speaker 7: if you just went to them and said, you know,

2360
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:29,120
Speaker 7: I always say, like the path that forgiveness goes through redemption,

2361
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 7: You're never going to be redeem unless you admit there

2362
02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:33,080
Speaker 7: was an air, and nobody's admitted there's an air. So

2363
02:01:33,120 --> 02:01:34,800
Speaker 7: you have to have a strong leadership team come back

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Speaker 7: in and say, hey, we screwed up. There's a new

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Speaker 7: ownership in place where American owned once again. We're going

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Speaker 7: to earn your trust back by being just this funny, humorous,

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Speaker 7: great tasting logger that you can enjoy at barbecues and

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Speaker 7: sports and music festivals. And that's what we want to

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Speaker 7: do it. I think they actually can get back to that,

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Speaker 7: but it's not going to be innto the current ownership group.

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Speaker 1: It's been fabulous talking with you, Anson Frereks. He is

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Speaker 1: again since a resident author of the book we're talking

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Speaker 1: about today, Last Call for bud Light, The Fall and

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Speaker 1: Future of America's Beer, A favorite Beer. Answering your books

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Speaker 1: on my blog page fifty five carsy dot com with

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Speaker 1: a link where people can easily get a copy of it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure they will. Fascinating conversation and interesting analysis

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Speaker 1: of really bad decisions in the wrong direction. You have

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Speaker 1: a wonderful day, so it's been a real pleasure having

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Speaker 1: you on the program. Welcome to the fifty five Cars

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Speaker 1: Morning Show. Author Doug Ernest in the name of the

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Speaker 1: book we're talking about this morning, The Spirit of a

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Speaker 1: True Patriot, the inspiring story of retired Captain Doug Ernest,

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Speaker 1: who also now is a successful businessman. Doug, it's a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on the program. Let me start

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Speaker 1: by thanking you for your service to our country.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for that wonderful pleasure and that introduction. I

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Speaker 5: cannot say thank you enough.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll get to the business because I think it's

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Speaker 1: an integral part of what you learned from. Obviously a

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Speaker 1: horrific situation in the military. You served an Operation Desert Storm,

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Speaker 1: and as you describe in the book, jumping out of

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Speaker 1: your M one thirteen personnel carrier, it sounded a lot

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Speaker 1: like what the experience on the beaches in Normandy. We

2395
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Speaker 1: get all this more to rounds and gunshots and explosions

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Speaker 1: all around you. I mean, how old were you at

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 5: I had just turned eighteen. I had joined the Army

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Speaker 5: at the age of seventeen, spent six months in training infantry,

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Speaker 5: airboard school and some other classes, and then I went

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Speaker 5: off to Saudi Arabia about two weeks after I finished

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Speaker 5: my training. Eighteen years old when that experience happened.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen years old, and you know, I've sort of come

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Speaker 1: to the realization over the years they have a cutoff

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Speaker 1: with enlisting in the military because guys like my age,

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Speaker 1: I'll be sixty in September, Doug and Douglas and you

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Speaker 1: couldn't I have a problem with authority anyway. But jumping

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Speaker 1: out of an M one th thirteen personnel carry amid

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Speaker 1: bombs and blasts and gunfire, that scares the living crap

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Speaker 1: out of me right now. But as an eighteen year old,

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Speaker 1: what was your emotional reaction went to that and the

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Speaker 1: other warfare and the challenges you faced during the Operation

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Speaker 1: Desert Storm.

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Speaker 5: My emotional reaction was really simple. I had a great

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Speaker 5: one reaching ship with the war when I was younger

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Speaker 5: because I was grew up and that type of environment

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Speaker 5: with my family, attending a Lutheran school and always having

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Speaker 5: a presence with the Lord. And I was just communicating

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Speaker 5: with him consistently throughout the day, and so were my

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Speaker 5: brothers that I was with. We were having prayer groups together,

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Speaker 5: we were having spiritual caathery. We were every time we

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Speaker 5: could get together, we grab each other's hands and to say,

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Speaker 5: please Lord, guide us, give us direction, please ask us

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Speaker 5: the Lord to end this conflict quickly, because not only

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Speaker 5: did we not want to get hurt, but we you know,

2426
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Speaker 5: as human beings and loving men, we don't want to

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Speaker 5: hurt other people. And it was hard as a kid.

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Speaker 5: I think the hardest part too, was knowing that I

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Speaker 5: might be inflicting collateral damage on people that we were

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Speaker 5: firing these weapons at. That was hard for me because

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Speaker 5: I grew up as a kid, peaceful and I did

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Speaker 5: not want to hurt people. I did not want to.

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Speaker 5: I could not see the pain that I knew if

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Speaker 5: I had hurt someone. I wasn't ready for that yet.

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Speaker 5: I had learned how to train, I had done this

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Speaker 5: in simulation, but I wasn't ready to actually kill another person.

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Speaker 1: Is that the general mindset of the majoriyority of your

2438
02:05:01,120 --> 02:05:04,840
Speaker 1: your comrades, because you know, we had this this ridiculous notion.

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Speaker 1: I feel so badly for the men and women and

2440
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:10,160
Speaker 1: mostly men who served in combat of Vietnam and they

2441
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:12,880
Speaker 1: got treated so miserably. They were called baby killers, and

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Speaker 1: they got a reputation with all the Hollywood movies depicting

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Speaker 1: Vietnam that they were just running around gleefully killing women

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Speaker 1: and children. I think of you know, like the machine

2445
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:27,160
Speaker 1: gunner and the helicopter at oh what was that movie?

2446
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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter, but that they relished in the fact that

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Speaker 1: pulling the trigger had no concern or care for collateral damage.

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Speaker 1: What's reality, as you saw in an operation Desert Storm.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's the opposite is true. But what you

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Speaker 5: see in these Hollywood movies when you have these cycle

2451
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Speaker 5: paths that are trying to, you know, inflict damage upon

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Speaker 5: their human beings. Ninety nine point nine nine percent of

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Speaker 5: those that serve in the military in our country are

2454
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Speaker 5: always number one concerned is not hurting somebody else? And

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02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:58,960
Speaker 5: if you do have to inflect damage and use these

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02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:02,400
Speaker 5: ammunition and these rounds to get your point across to

2457
02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:04,920
Speaker 5: get your territory, you do it shock and all you

2458
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:07,080
Speaker 5: get the damage over with, you attempt to get the

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02:06:07,120 --> 02:06:09,920
Speaker 5: other side to concede so that you can stop. And

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Speaker 5: you know, and we and that's the way we've been

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02:06:12,120 --> 02:06:14,120
Speaker 5: this in the military in the last two hundred and

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Speaker 5: sixty years of our country. Has there been some outliers

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Speaker 5: where there was some things that maybe shouldn't happen, of course,

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Speaker 5: but that's that one percent of one percent of one

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02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:24,120
Speaker 5: percent that happened ninety nine point nine percent of people

2466
02:06:24,160 --> 02:06:26,080
Speaker 5: in the military. And the way that I was trained

2467
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:28,280
Speaker 5: and brought up in the military is you just have

2468
02:06:28,360 --> 02:06:32,680
Speaker 5: a complete, one hundred percent unadulterated shock and all program

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Speaker 5: where you get to your point across and you get

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Speaker 5: it done swiftly and quickly so that the enemy will

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Speaker 5: concede and you can move on and we'll stop the

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Speaker 5: damage on both sides so that the war will come

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Speaker 5: to an end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking earlier this morning with the retired lieutenant

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Speaker 1: colonel about the situation with Russia and Ukraine, and we

2476
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:50,480
Speaker 1: just pray that they'll put end that ridiculous dispute soon

2477
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:53,960
Speaker 1: because the loss of life is just overwhelming. And you

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02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:57,840
Speaker 1: know your your your faith in God is right, I

2479
02:06:57,880 --> 02:07:00,400
Speaker 1: somehow have a sense, and having never been in combat

2480
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:02,760
Speaker 1: or served in the American military ever since, if you

2481
02:07:02,840 --> 02:07:06,280
Speaker 1: have a profound belief that your connection with God and

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Speaker 1: that you will be embraced and have this this wonderful

2483
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:13,760
Speaker 1: after life, having you know, served God and committed to

2484
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:17,120
Speaker 1: your faith, does that take the pressure off of the

2485
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Speaker 1: idea of dying.

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Speaker 13: It does?

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Speaker 5: It gives you you know, and you use that a

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Speaker 5: few moments ago, you use that example from the movie

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Speaker 5: called The Populipse. Now people, you know, as a kid,

2490
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Speaker 5: I watched that movie and then later I was putting

2491
02:07:32,760 --> 02:07:36,200
Speaker 5: myself on a battlefield and I asked myself, what in

2492
02:07:36,240 --> 02:07:39,000
Speaker 5: the world have I done? So, yes, the people that

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02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:41,320
Speaker 5: I served with, the majority of us were Christians. We

2494
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:43,640
Speaker 5: had a few people that were in my platoon that

2495
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:46,880
Speaker 5: were Buddhists and so forth. But everybody had some type

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02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:50,440
Speaker 5: of outer spiritual connection to a lord or something they

2497
02:07:50,520 --> 02:07:52,600
Speaker 5: believe was a Lord, or something that they believe was

2498
02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:56,520
Speaker 5: their savior. They're guiding universal force. And without me having

2499
02:07:56,560 --> 02:07:58,520
Speaker 5: that universe of force, I don't think I could have

2500
02:07:58,720 --> 02:08:02,760
Speaker 5: mentally or taught natively gotten true. So for me having

2501
02:08:02,760 --> 02:08:05,000
Speaker 5: that spiritual connection to my Lord at that point in

2502
02:08:05,080 --> 02:08:07,640
Speaker 5: my time, not only did it resonate with me and

2503
02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:09,760
Speaker 5: my fellow brother that I was on the battlefield. That

2504
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:12,040
Speaker 5: gave me that chance to be able to stay connected

2505
02:08:12,040 --> 02:08:14,520
Speaker 5: with the Lord and that relationship with my Savior. It

2506
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:18,800
Speaker 5: stayed with me my whole life. It's with me this morning.

2507
02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:21,120
Speaker 5: You know, I just said a prayer, you know, only

2508
02:08:21,120 --> 02:08:23,280
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes ago, to make sure I speak well and

2509
02:08:23,320 --> 02:08:25,680
Speaker 5: I do a good job, you know, to serve my

2510
02:08:25,760 --> 02:08:28,080
Speaker 5: country and to serve my fellow sisters and brothers that

2511
02:08:28,120 --> 02:08:30,160
Speaker 5: are serving right now, so that I can do an

2512
02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:32,840
Speaker 5: excellent job. And I did this relationship where I feel

2513
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:35,200
Speaker 5: like the Lord comes through me. He guides my life

2514
02:08:35,200 --> 02:08:38,240
Speaker 5: as a of where I'm going to go every day,

2515
02:08:38,280 --> 02:08:39,840
Speaker 5: and it just seems like it's just a part of

2516
02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:42,440
Speaker 5: my life. And I see, you know in our communities

2517
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:45,600
Speaker 5: in our country, most of our country, about seventy percent

2518
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:48,000
Speaker 5: of it this Christian base. So we do have this

2519
02:08:50,840 --> 02:08:53,560
Speaker 5: well that do embrace it, do use it. They can

2520
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:57,160
Speaker 5: actually have a better life, help themselves and to just

2521
02:08:57,200 --> 02:09:00,120
Speaker 5: have a better life that's connected to our Lord.

2522
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:03,280
Speaker 1: Did your service in the American military, along of course

2523
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:07,000
Speaker 1: with your profound faith which is coming through clearly? Did

2524
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:09,400
Speaker 1: that serve you in your business world? Because I understand

2525
02:09:09,400 --> 02:09:12,000
Speaker 1: that you have a very successful might be jealous about

2526
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:15,920
Speaker 1: this corvette car dealership in Dallas, Texas. See you sell

2527
02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:17,320
Speaker 1: exclusively corvettes.

2528
02:09:19,000 --> 02:09:22,640
Speaker 5: Yes, and absolutely the name of my business is Corvette Warehouse.

2529
02:09:23,080 --> 02:09:26,280
Speaker 5: If you can just Google search a Corvette warehouse, you

2530
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:29,040
Speaker 5: can't miss it. We're the largest corvette dealer in the Southwest.

2531
02:09:29,080 --> 02:09:33,920
Speaker 5: And the skill sets in the military absolutely on definitely,

2532
02:09:33,960 --> 02:09:37,360
Speaker 5: without a doubt, added to the business sense of mine,

2533
02:09:37,400 --> 02:09:40,840
Speaker 5: my business acumen. They teach you skill sets in the military,

2534
02:09:41,000 --> 02:09:43,800
Speaker 5: like how to get things done, how to make things happen,

2535
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:47,600
Speaker 5: how to work with a team, just playing all down

2536
02:09:47,600 --> 02:09:49,840
Speaker 5: to the nitty gritty skill sets that you need in

2537
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:52,320
Speaker 5: life to be successful, things that you need to need

2538
02:09:52,360 --> 02:09:55,000
Speaker 5: in life to be happy, to be fulfilled, to be

2539
02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:57,000
Speaker 5: able to work hard, and then no one to take

2540
02:09:57,000 --> 02:09:59,320
Speaker 5: the break and sit on the sideline. So I learned

2541
02:09:59,320 --> 02:10:01,840
Speaker 5: these skill set and I had the best mentors and

2542
02:10:01,880 --> 02:10:05,000
Speaker 5: the best leaders anyone could ever ask for in the military.

2543
02:10:05,280 --> 02:10:07,720
Speaker 5: When I was in the infantry, I had the best leaders.

2544
02:10:07,720 --> 02:10:10,160
Speaker 5: When I was in a staff job working at a brigade,

2545
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:14,000
Speaker 5: when I was doing boring workle supply and signing for

2546
02:10:14,120 --> 02:10:16,839
Speaker 5: millions dollars of equipment and never being on the field,

2547
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:19,000
Speaker 5: you know, being in a hotel room if you will.

2548
02:10:19,320 --> 02:10:23,160
Speaker 5: I never had a bad leader. I've been so fortunate.

2549
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:26,160
Speaker 5: I've met so many people. I've everybody in the military,

2550
02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:28,400
Speaker 5: the most nine to nine point nine percent of them

2551
02:10:28,440 --> 02:10:30,640
Speaker 5: want to get ahead. They want to educate themselves, they

2552
02:10:30,640 --> 02:10:32,800
Speaker 5: want to learn, they want to be good parents, they

2553
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:34,280
Speaker 5: want to be good people. That want to take care

2554
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:37,680
Speaker 5: of themselves physically. So learning these skill sets one hundred

2555
02:10:37,680 --> 02:10:40,560
Speaker 5: percent gave me access to the knowledge. It gave me

2556
02:10:40,600 --> 02:10:43,040
Speaker 5: access where to go get the knowledge I need. And

2557
02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:45,200
Speaker 5: when I got out of the military, I set my goal.

2558
02:10:45,560 --> 02:10:47,640
Speaker 5: You know that I was a hobby that I loved

2559
02:10:47,680 --> 02:10:49,920
Speaker 5: playing with corvettes, that I wanted to do something I

2560
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:53,880
Speaker 5: love and I was passionate about. And I definitely understood

2561
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:56,160
Speaker 5: that these skill sets let me into the direction I'm

2562
02:10:56,200 --> 02:10:58,640
Speaker 5: losing my falling in life so that I could be

2563
02:10:58,720 --> 02:11:01,320
Speaker 5: good at it, but also having something when I can

2564
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:02,120
Speaker 5: enjoy every.

2565
02:11:02,040 --> 02:11:02,640
Speaker 15: Day of my life.

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Speaker 5: And one other thing I'd like to that book now,

2567
02:11:05,560 --> 02:11:08,040
Speaker 5: on the spirit of a true patriot, I write about

2568
02:11:08,080 --> 02:11:10,560
Speaker 5: the skill sets you learned in the military. You know,

2569
02:11:10,680 --> 02:11:16,600
Speaker 5: the quick heuristics, the shortcuts, theology, being on the move,

2570
02:11:16,840 --> 02:11:20,640
Speaker 5: always doing something, to have your body in motion every day.

2571
02:11:20,880 --> 02:11:23,640
Speaker 5: If you have your body in motion, your inertial forces

2572
02:11:23,680 --> 02:11:26,520
Speaker 5: will propel you forward. You can't be three hundred pounds

2573
02:11:26,520 --> 02:11:29,200
Speaker 5: overweight and expect to be a great business leader. You

2574
02:11:29,240 --> 02:11:31,720
Speaker 5: can't be four hundred pounds overweight and expect to be

2575
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:33,720
Speaker 5: a great parent, because you're going to pass those skill

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Speaker 5: sets off to your children. So I learned that if

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Speaker 5: I can percent use the skill sets that I learned

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Speaker 5: in the military and passes off to people, that actually

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Speaker 5: reinforces my skill sets and it gives me a sense

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Speaker 5: of satisfaction to fulfillment that I've done the best I

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Speaker 5: can do by passing off these heuristics that I learned

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Speaker 5: to other people.

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Speaker 9: In this world.

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Speaker 1: So the name of the book is the spirit of

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Speaker 1: a true patriot inspiring story of My guest today, retired

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Speaker 1: Captain Douglas j Ernest, who are you hoping reads this book?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I obviously had a target audience in mind,

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Speaker 1: and I presume it's maybe the entrepreneurial folks out there.

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Speaker 1: But who else might benefit from the book? Douglas?

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Speaker 5: You know, that's a great question, and I was when

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Speaker 5: I wrote this book. My intent was to direct it

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Speaker 5: towards people that were thinking about military service, or those

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Speaker 5: the parents that were thinking about military story, because that's

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Speaker 5: where my aim was. But as I wrote the book,

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Speaker 5: I was told later by friends and colleagues, man, that's

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Speaker 5: a good book. That's a management book, that's an executive

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Speaker 5: leadership book. And I didn't recognize that part of it

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Speaker 5: until after I wrote it because I had been living

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Speaker 5: this life of leadership and going to leadership school, and

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Speaker 5: it's just abred character. It's a part of my life.

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Speaker 5: Later when I read it, I've been told and I

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Speaker 5: reread the book over and over that it is it

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Speaker 5: is a management book. It is something how you can

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Speaker 5: not only manage a business, manage your life, manage your career,

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Speaker 5: but also have a better life with your physical, with

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Speaker 5: your with your spiritual, with your children, being a great parent,

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Speaker 5: being a involved in your community. It just has just

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Speaker 5: basic shortcuts they teach you in the When I joined

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Speaker 5: the military, I was twenty five pounds overweight. After I

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Speaker 5: joined the military, that weight was gone and I've never

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Speaker 5: put that on. I'm in the best physical shape you

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Speaker 5: can possibly imagine for the last thirty years of my life.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I'm twenty years old. And it's because

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Speaker 5: of this that they taught me in the military. Well,

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Speaker 5: this Book of a True Patriot has those shortcuts in

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Speaker 5: there that you can use to make improvements in your life.

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Speaker 5: And I believe it will help anyone that will take

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Speaker 5: the plunge and go spend the fifteen bucks to take

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Speaker 5: the opportunity and buy the book.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'm sure it sounds extremely uplifting and inspirational,

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Speaker 1: and that's all. That's a lot of what we need

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Speaker 1: right now. Douglas Ernest, thanks again for your service to

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Speaker 1: our country and for the inspiring book. I'll encourage my

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Speaker 1: listeners to get a copy of it, which will make

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Speaker 1: them easy to do at fifty five KRC dot com.

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Speaker 1: Will add it to our blog page with a link

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Speaker 1: to buy a copy. Thanks again, man, it's been inspiring

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Speaker 1: talking with you, man, it really has well.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much. I greatly appreciate you, and I

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Speaker 5: appreciate you getting the mesa adopt those people out there

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Speaker 5: that need want it to more than's good stuff. So

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Speaker 5: help our nation prosperous and continue this nation for another

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Speaker 5: two hundred and sixty years.

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Speaker 1: Amen to that, brother. You have a fantastic week.