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Speaker 1: Well, thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 2: We are all about your home and improving the value

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Speaker 2: of your home, taking care of your home. And you're

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Speaker 2: at home with Gary Sullivan, and today I want to

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Speaker 2: introduce you to well, a local contractor in my neck

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Speaker 2: of the woods, and you know, the flagship station is Cincinnati, Ohio.

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Speaker 2: His name is Joe Hagen. He's president of a company

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Speaker 2: called All decked Out. So he is our decking guru.

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Speaker 2: And Joe, welcome again that home with Gary Sullivan.

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Speaker 3: Gary, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: You're quite welcome. House of decking business this year.

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Speaker 3: Decking business this year has been great. At first, start

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Speaker 3: off a little bit slower, but really started kind of

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Speaker 3: really taking off as the season went on.

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Speaker 1: Boy, you said a mouthful there in our city. It

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Speaker 1: was a rainy, rainy spring.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of painters and builders and remodelers

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Speaker 2: and now deck builders. It was a slow start, but boy,

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Speaker 2: once the weather changed everything everything seemed to break.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that's been a trend probably for

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Speaker 2: ten years is outdoor living, and of course for many

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Speaker 2: of us, that means a really really nice deck. Can

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Speaker 2: you just kind of give me an overview of what's

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Speaker 2: happening in the deck business in terms of trends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people these days are going for composite,

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Speaker 3: low maintenance material. They're tired of standing their deck and

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Speaker 3: replacing boards and worrying about rot and we're all it's

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Speaker 3: seeing a shift in different framing options for decks, like

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Speaker 3: composite framing, steel framing, aluminum framing. So there's a lot

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Speaker 3: more options these days, but a lot of people are

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Speaker 3: just seeing the value and low maintenance and not having

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Speaker 3: to replace, you know, their decks in every you know,

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Speaker 3: ten to fifteen years or so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the deck has become very much a

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Speaker 2: structure of the house and people are looking at it

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Speaker 2: that way. It's it's not like something I'm gonna build

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna forget about it and it's just kind

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Speaker 2: of rot on the side of that house. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they want something they want to enjoy. It's it's a

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Speaker 2: centerpiece to a house if it's done right.

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Speaker 3: You agree one hundred percent. It is an extension of

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Speaker 3: the home, and a lot of times it's more important

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Speaker 3: than like an indoor part of your home because if

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Speaker 3: you entertain and have people over, it's a great place

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Speaker 3: to like, hey, let's go out to find and enjoy

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Speaker 3: the outdoor space together. That's a great it's a great

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Speaker 3: feature to have add a lot of value to your home.

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of things you can do out there. Kitchens,

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Speaker 3: fire pits, you know, and that kind of things that

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Speaker 3: really make it a unique space.

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Speaker 2: Jaws over our friend's house a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: and he had built a I don't know, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: maybe there's a special name for it, but it was

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Speaker 2: covered I guess a covered deck is what it'd be called.

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Speaker 2: And it was a composite they don't know what kind.

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Speaker 2: But then he had.

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Speaker 1: A fireplace in it, and he had a TV over

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Speaker 1: the fireplace and for the dining you took a couple

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Speaker 1: of steps.

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Speaker 2: Down there was a lower deck and it was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the design of this deck was great. And

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Speaker 2: your business design work's got to be a big part

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Speaker 3: It is, and every good deck starts with a good

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Speaker 3: design obviously, you know, you want to think about you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of planning goes into it to have a

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Speaker 3: well built deck. You know, how you're going to use

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Speaker 3: the space, you're right, I mean, if you have a

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Speaker 3: idea to at a drainage system underneath there, to have

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Speaker 3: adds so much more out there living space off spending

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Speaker 3: the money that you would spend on like a roof

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Speaker 3: structure over it. So you actually, you know, turn that

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Speaker 3: framing into usable space below the deck and put a

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Speaker 2: Other area, whether it's another patio area or even storage

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Speaker 2: I've seen used. But having it dries good. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I guess the first thing I guess people can

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Speaker 2: make mistakes is just a planning, just kind of just

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Speaker 1: That would be a mistake.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean you want to think about where you

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Speaker 3: not going to place furniture right in front of a door,

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Speaker 3: very important for like traffic flow. And I've seen a

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Speaker 3: deck built with multi levels, which looks good for pictures,

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Speaker 3: but sometimes it's not so functional. And with the cost

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Speaker 3: of materials being so high with composite, you don't want

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Speaker 3: to waste a lot of square footage due to a

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Speaker 3: bad design because you're just spending unnecessary money.

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Speaker 1: Sure, we're going to get to the decking structures in

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Speaker 1: a minute. Here.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I get calls on a lot

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Speaker 2: of times is people have an old deck that hasn't

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Speaker 2: it's getting real old, staining it every year or two,

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Speaker 2: and oh, I'll just put some composites on top of

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Speaker 2: this and everything will be okay. And I'm going, well,

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Speaker 2: hold on, composites are a little more expensive than they

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Speaker 2: then you know, pressure treated wood, and the installation's a

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Speaker 2: little different, and what kind of shape is you're framing?

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Speaker 2: Do you run into those.

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Speaker 1: Questions almost every day? Really? Ok?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So a lot of people think, oh, my deck's

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Speaker 3: been here fifteen twenty years, the framing is good, We're

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Speaker 3: just gonna we want to replace it with some capositive decking.

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Speaker 3: And you know, when you remove those boards, you're going

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Speaker 3: to leave with thousands of holes in there, so water

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Speaker 3: can get in there and create rots. A lot of

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Speaker 3: times it's best to just you know, redo the framing.

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Speaker 3: If your deck's over you know, let's say five or

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Speaker 3: that that frame is going to last. You don't want

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Speaker 3: to put decking that has a fifty year warranty on

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Speaker 3: a frame that might last another ten more. That could

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Speaker 3: be a really expensive mistake. So it's always best to

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Speaker 3: have a professional out to take a look at it.

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Speaker 3: Coach change as well. You know, every few years coach change,

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Speaker 3: So it's not as easy as just squapping it out

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Speaker 3: see all those imperfections that might have you might not

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Speaker 3: have seen from like wood wood decking, right, So sometimes

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Speaker 3: it's better to just to start with wood woods. You know,

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Speaker 3: probably the least expensive thing on a deck. It's like

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Speaker 3: a foundation of the home, but it's a most important part.

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Speaker 1: You know. Plus your composites they're not all load bearing, right,

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Speaker 1: whereas pressure treated is. I mean you might have twenty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, Like if it was two by six framing,

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Speaker 3: I can't put composite decking on there because our composite

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Speaker 3: important for the spanning as well. So quite a wavy deck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the types of decking, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: people know about pressure treat wouldn't. One thing they know

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Speaker 2: let anybody tell you there isn't a lot of maintenance.

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Speaker 2: There is a lot of maintenance. We talk about it

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Speaker 2: every weekend. But we're seeing a lot of different types

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Speaker 2: of composite decking. Now we see capped, we see non capped,

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Speaker 2: we see I'm not going to say heat proof, but

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Speaker 2: doesn't absorb as much heat, so that that appeals to

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Speaker 2: some people. We have some that have wood grains in it,

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Speaker 1: Are those all based.

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Speaker 2: On the expense of the deck or what should I

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Speaker 2: even yourself? How do you pick the right kind of decking?

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Speaker 1: Gary?

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Speaker 3: That is a great question, and there are so many

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Speaker 3: different decking options on the market it can be overwhelming.

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Speaker 3: All the different manufacturers typically are going to have like

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Speaker 3: a good, better best. But what that means is basically

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Speaker 3: price point scenario. Your higher end deck boards are going

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Speaker 3: to have more wood grains, more color variations, and then

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Speaker 3: uncapped at the bottom, not fully encapsulated or less color options.

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Speaker 3: More you know, less wood grain for your lower cost options.

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Speaker 3: There's gonna be products out there that have that's made

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Speaker 3: to be your more economical ones, and those do absorb heat,

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Speaker 3: and that's what you're and that's basically what you're paying

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Speaker 3: for is the you know, the performance of it. Some

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Speaker 3: of them are gonna get hotter. Your lower cost deckboards

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Speaker 3: kind of what your personal preferences too. If you're going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and positioning, right, I mean the positioning of the

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Speaker 1: deck and the initial building phase may come in with temperature.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so, Yeah, if you're going to have your deck

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Speaker 3: with a wood plastic composite, it would be really uh hot,

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Speaker 3: evening time, where your mineral based deck boards are going

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Speaker 3: to dissipate heat a lot faster, they all get hot.

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Speaker 3: But the difference is with the mineral based composite deck

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Speaker 3: some of the wood plastics stay hotter for a lot longer.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So when you're you talked about the base of

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Speaker 2: six figure deck, tell me about my options. I remember

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Speaker 2: when trecks rolled out the first one, I think it

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Speaker 2: was a steel framing and then you said aluminum and composits.

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Speaker 1: On that now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they have Owen's Corning makes a composite lumber.

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Speaker 3: You do have to be careful with span. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: they have composite framing out now they're steel framing tracks

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Speaker 3: and fortress they have steel framing options. And then you

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Speaker 3: also have aluminum is really coming into the market now.

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Speaker 3: And you know, so there's some great alternative framing options

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: One thing everybody know that has a deck, an older deck,

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Speaker 3: Yes, And that is a very important topic. I think,

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