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Speaker 1: Saw Bachman Turner Overdrive last night, Randy Botman doing a

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Speaker 1: I remember very distinctly that Bachmanturner Overdrive had this huge

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Speaker 1: not Fragile album with taking Care of Business and you

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Speaker 1: Ain't Seen Nothing Yet. And our bus driver had that

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Speaker 1: Theater in Greensburg. Went to this distillery on the corner beforehand.

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Speaker 1: They had blueberry whiskey. I wish I remember the name

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Speaker 1: This Blueberry risky was was right on the money. So

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Speaker 1: a good time was had by all. A good time

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Speaker 1: was had by the Steelers yesterday. If you want to

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Speaker 1: talk Steelers, dial four one two. Damn it, why do

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Speaker 1: we have the area code in the middle of our number.

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Speaker 1: It's eight three three four one two wxdx eight three

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor. We're gonna have our football guru, Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on at the bottom of the hour and he'll drill

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Speaker 1: gonna tell us. But as far as the under the

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Speaker 1: radar stuff, the Steelers had their hands up on the

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Speaker 1: pass rush and batted some balls away like the Peyton

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Speaker 1: Especially I'm thinking when the Steelers give that four to three,

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Speaker 2: But can they keep it up? Eight one to three?

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Speaker 1: Eight one three eight three to three. Why couldn't we

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Speaker 1: one two wxdx Uh. Tom and I talked a bit

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the best World Series ever. That's recency bias.

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Speaker 1: It's fun to see an entire country's hopes get crushed, and.

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Speaker 2: It's even more fun when that country is Canada.

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Speaker 2: LA has now won twice in a row.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean everything, but it don't mean nothing. Toronto

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent true. It was a great World Series.

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Speaker 1: People say that baseball's flawed, huge ratings, great World Series,

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Speaker 2: The Savannah Bananas caught more than the Pirates.

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Speaker 1: Danny Smith's not a Steeler legend. He's a special teams

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Speaker 1: it's always been.

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Speaker 2: I'm just more open about it now.

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Speaker 1: Steelers being headed to a familiar destination.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers.

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Speaker 4: I am always so amused by the nuclear magnetic attraction.

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Speaker 4: The Steelers have the ten and seven.

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Speaker 2: They will get there.

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Speaker 4: If they start zero to seven, they're gonna go win

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Speaker 4: ten in a row. If they start ten and zher,

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Speaker 2: Seven in a row.

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Speaker 4: I promise you. This was the perfect Steelers game in

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Speaker 4: which written him off. This is Tomlin's first losing season.

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Speaker 4: This this, this, and they come out and have him

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Speaker 3: You know it.

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Speaker 2: I know it.

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Speaker 4: No matter how they have to do it, they will

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Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Nuclear magnetic attraction unquote. I love it.

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Speaker 1: But brand presents that like it's good. I think it's

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Speaker 1: you should. You shouldn't want a division title. Maybe ten

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Speaker 1: But what if the Steelers win the AFC North and

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Speaker 1: And Kyle Brandt's right. I think, like Keith thinks, it's

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Speaker 1: that's simple. Go out to Los Angeles and beat the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: River Hawns with a playoff win Saturday night, zero zero

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Speaker 1: conference semifinal this Saturday, so up the Hounds. It was

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Speaker 1: a good time at high Mark, good time at Anfield.

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Speaker 1: On Saturday, Liverpool breaks their four game Premier League losing

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Speaker 1: because Liverpool play Real Madrid in Champions League action. And

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Speaker 1: Up next, I can't wait for this. Our football guru

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson is gonna drill down on the Steelers in

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Speaker 1: that four to three look, the occasional use of three

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Speaker 1: edge guys, the occasional use of three inside backers, and

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey it's safety. Did it succeed and should it continue?

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Speaker 1: That's Matt Williamson. Next here on one oh five ninety X.

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Speaker 2: It's The Woody Show Weekday morning six. Get enough.

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Speaker 1: If you're Pittsburgh Steelers, then check out the latest podcast

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Speaker 1: from Steeles.

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Speaker 2: It's a super genius Mark Mad the cream comes to

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Speaker 2: the top. I feel like I'm just bubbling over.

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Speaker 3: You went a pants by on the air that I wasn't.

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Speaker 2: Who told you the exit? One oh five nine? Wow.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to talk about today with our

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Speaker 1: Matt, what did the Steelers do on defense with that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one thousand percent. And I didn't really of all

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Speaker 3: on mone matchups a lot. I mean, that is definitely

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's funny because you know, I take notes

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Speaker 1: from the team at shop dot Steelers dot com. Matt,

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Speaker 1: I felt like TJ. Wat stripsack won the game. Reverse

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Speaker 1: The Steelers had five takeaways against New England and six yesterday.

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Speaker 3: that Arthur Smith wants to run the football. What is

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Speaker 3: certain that Rogers wants to run the football?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well, right, you can't certainly fault Rogers for the results

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Speaker 1: he's produced and certainly the confidence he's imbued the entire

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Speaker 1: platoon with. And staying with that, I thought Rogers was

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Speaker 1: very good, not great. The numbers weren't terrific, but he's

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Speaker 1: so precise at the moment of truth that twenty seven

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Speaker 1: points coming off turnovers, and afterward he said it's not enough,

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Speaker 1: and I like him setting the bar high.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that he said that. You know, you know,

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Speaker 3: we got a lot of the defense set us up,

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Speaker 3: and yes, we put the ball in the end zone,

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Speaker 3: which is amazing in itself. I mean, Rogers already has

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Speaker 3: the most touchdown passes by a Steeler quarterback since Ben's

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Speaker 3: last year. And it's not I mean we just hit

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Speaker 3: in November. I mean, he has more more passing touchdowns

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Speaker 3: than any of those guys did in a season here,

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Speaker 3: And you're right. I mean, he has such a head

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Speaker 3: for the game. You could tell the respect that all

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Speaker 3: of his teammates have for him. And they listen to

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Speaker 3: him and they jump and they say how high whenever

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Speaker 3: he asks to ask him to jump, And the skills

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Speaker 3: are still there. I mean more and more, I know,

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Speaker 3: we can talk about this stuff in the offseason, but

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Speaker 3: I sure wouldn't mind if he considered coming back for

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Speaker 3: another year.

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Speaker 1: You you made a couple of references to not getting

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Speaker 1: too giddy over this win, and I agree. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a great win, but I still think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot to be done, especially in terms of proving their consistency,

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Speaker 1: at least on defense. I mean, I mean, Matt, they

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Speaker 1: got not gained by over one hundred yards, got six takeaways,

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Speaker 1: and still won by just seven. I'm not sure what's

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Speaker 1: hidden in those facts, but there's something there.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no doubt. I mean, now, I will say usually

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Speaker 3: when that's happened this year or facsimiles of the Steeler

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Speaker 3: defense is pretty poor on a play by play basis,

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Speaker 3: and I thought that this was the best that the

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Speaker 3: defense has played down after down. And yes, the splash

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Speaker 3: that they created was super impactful, but it wasn't the

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Speaker 3: whole story. There's been a lot of these games where man,

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Speaker 3: they're just people are moving the ball left and right

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Speaker 3: on these guys Steelers just got squeaked by because of

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Speaker 3: their splash. Now, some of the yardage was garbage time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there was a lot of passing yards to

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Speaker 3: Pittman in particular late in the game against you know,

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Speaker 3: prevent defenses and whatnot. But no, you're right. I mean

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Speaker 3: you can make the argument still as well as the

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Speaker 3: defense played on a play by play basis, that the

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Speaker 3: Colts were the better team down in and down out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like the Colts were really good on third

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Speaker 3: and fourth downs. And frankly, I'm not trying to harp

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Speaker 3: on the negatives at all because I am really encouraged

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Speaker 3: by this game top to bottom. But it was a

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Speaker 3: pretty underwhelming offensive performance by the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I said, if it wasn't for Rogers's opportunism

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Speaker 1: and his precision at the moment of truth, like, there

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Speaker 1: were a lot of other like kind of shaky moments.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like like we've talked about the lack of

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Speaker 1: a running game, and Rogers's numbers were not overwhelming, and

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Speaker 1: that begs the question.

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Speaker 3: What it also wasn't a great wide receiver game. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the wide receivers in general weren't very exciting.

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Speaker 2: That Once again, great minds thinking of life.

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Speaker 1: I was about to ask, why is DK metcalf so

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Speaker 1: a uninvolved be unimpressive?

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Speaker 3: Well, I would have not had a great answer for

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Speaker 3: you up until just recently. And I can't confirm this.

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Speaker 3: I was not on the sideline, but I was told

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Speaker 3: by multiple sources that he much liked Hulcombe and Pepper's

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Speaker 3: as was dealing with a pretty strong illness, that he

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Speaker 3: was just kind of out there in a decoy manner

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Speaker 3: for this game and was getting ivs and getting a

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Speaker 3: lot of attention, and that could add up. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you asked me this a week ago, I would say,

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Speaker 3: I really like Metcalf. I think it was a good trade.

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Speaker 3: I have no problem with the contract. But I described

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Speaker 3: him a lot this past week before knowing about the

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Speaker 3: illness against the Colts, as he seems like a B

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Speaker 3: plus as opposed to an anus. That there's been three,

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Speaker 3: like two plays a game where he could make it,

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Speaker 3: but he doesn't. You know, Turner rips the ball away

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Speaker 3: from him against the Bengals. Now, I will say, to

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Speaker 3: his credit, as quote number one wide receivers go, his

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Speaker 3: targets per game are remarkably low. I mean, he's still

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Speaker 3: only getting the ball around his way four and five

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Speaker 3: times a game, and I think that needs to change

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Speaker 3: when the illness goes away.

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Speaker 1: And that begs this question I'm not anti Darnell Washington.

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Speaker 1: I think they overrate and overuse him. I mean, Rogers

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Speaker 1: clearly loves him.

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Speaker 3: I love him too, though, I just I love him as.

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Speaker 1: A blocker, but I don't I mean and him being

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Speaker 1: like I mean john and Smith has disappeared.

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Speaker 3: Johnny Smith has disappeared down a little shock that he's

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Speaker 3: as underwhelming as he is. I love Washington because defensive

532
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Speaker 3: coordinators hate playing against unicorns. It's really hard to prepare

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Speaker 3: for those players. Now, I think you can make an

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Speaker 3: argument that maybe they're trying to feature him in the

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Speaker 3: in the passing game more than they should. I'll buy that,

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Speaker 3: but I definitely think they're a better team when he's

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Speaker 3: on the field overall.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the matchup against the Chargers. I've seen them

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Speaker 1: play probably a couple games all the way through parts

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Speaker 1: of others, and I think they're good. But they're kind

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Speaker 1: of up and down, just like the Steelers, aren't.

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Speaker 3: They they are, and so much of it is just

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Speaker 3: dependent on the health of their offensive line, and the

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Speaker 3: Steelers are getting them at a really good time. When

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Speaker 3: Rashaun Slater is a big time offensive tackle who was

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Speaker 3: lost in the preseason. He's done but when Alt is in,

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Speaker 3: they can kind of live with that Slater injury. When

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Speaker 3: he's out, it's a disaster. And that's exactly what happened yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Tennessee's probably the worst pass rushing team in the league,

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Speaker 3: and after Alt's injury, Herbert was under duress, like every

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Speaker 3: snap that they dropped back. And I'm a huge Herbert fan.

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Speaker 3: And they have a really good, deep group of weapons too,

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Speaker 3: much like the Packers and Colts, and I'll be honest,

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Speaker 3: I kind of like the defense. But the Harbought, the

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Speaker 3: team that Harboughts took over a few years ago needed

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Speaker 3: a lot and they're probably step six of ten in

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Speaker 3: terms of their total revamping of the roster. But they

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Speaker 3: got Herbert and that makes a lot of problems go away.

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Speaker 3: But I think you're getting them at a really good

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Speaker 3: time just because of the Alt injury.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, the all injury dually noted and that is

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Speaker 1: a big loss for them and a big thing that's gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, really hurt Herbert, as we saw already. But

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Speaker 1: like when I look at the Chargers except for Herbert,

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Speaker 1: who I love, there's not a lot I love. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot I like, but I'm not sure I get past,

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Speaker 1: like on a lot of it, does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: I'm I understand with you, Like who are you really

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Speaker 3: afraid of? Or who are real difference makers? You know,

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Speaker 3: Khalil Mack's good at this stage of his career, but

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Speaker 3: he ain't what he used to be. I mentioned that

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Speaker 3: they're pass catchers collectively or probably a lot better than

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Speaker 3: people think. The tackles were supposed to be the strength

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Speaker 3: of the team, and that's what they're built around, but

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Speaker 3: they're not there, you know. And the defense Derwyn James

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Speaker 3: and some other guys are good players, and it's a

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Speaker 3: good scheme, but it's not like man Michah Parsons is

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Speaker 3: coming to town.

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Speaker 1: If the Steelers win this one, and we all play

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Speaker 1: the what if game and examine the standings probably more

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Speaker 1: than we should this early in the season, Matt. But

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Speaker 1: I have thought the Ravens could catch the Steelers by

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Speaker 1: December seventh, the day that will live an infamy when

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Speaker 1: they play each other. But now I'm thinking the Steelers

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Speaker 1: might be able to hold them off longer than that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really thought going into yesterday that the division

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Speaker 3: was in trouble, you know that. I thought they're gonna

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Speaker 3: lose the Colts and then maybe have a four game

589
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Speaker 3: losing streak against the Chargers. But I didn't see the

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Speaker 3: Colts win coming. And I think some things happened to

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Speaker 3: the Chargers and name of the Alt injury that really

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Speaker 3: hinders their chances of winning that game. I'm sure there'd

593
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Speaker 3: be a lot of stew Fans in attendance that if

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Speaker 3: you can get this win, just the math of it

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Speaker 3: all doesn't really work in the Ravens favor.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's on going to be one team

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Speaker 1: making it out of the division.

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Speaker 2: What say you?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I one agree, And I mean I think the Patriots

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Speaker 3: and Bills are locks. I think at least two, maybe

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Speaker 3: three are coming out of the West, and right now

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Speaker 3: the Jags would be in if the season's over. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think it's almost a lock that there's only one

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Speaker 3: North team going.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know what to be I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say funny, Matt, but it would be typical of

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Speaker 1: maybe the Steelers not winning a playoff game for the

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Speaker 1: past seven years. What if the Steelers win the division

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Speaker 1: and the Bills and Chiefs are both wild cards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not crazy talk. I mean, there's a really

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Speaker 3: good chance that one or two of the division leaders

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Speaker 3: will be an underdog in wildcard weekend.

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Speaker 1: Finally, Matt, this is more of a general question, but

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Speaker 1: it's something to bugs me that the Jags kicker kicked

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Speaker 1: the sixty eight yard field goal yesterday. Why are field

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Speaker 1: goals so much easier to make from distance?

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Speaker 2: And is that good or bad for football? Because I

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Speaker 2: don't like it.

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Speaker 3: This is actually a long conversation that I'd love to have.

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Speaker 3: But I did a little bit of research on this,

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Speaker 3: and there's a couple of articles now that the kicking

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Speaker 3: balls are different. Now there's a new rule that nobody's

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Speaker 3: talking about, that the teams can doctor up the kicking

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Speaker 3: balls more than they used to do. They used to

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Speaker 3: come right out of the package and be like kicking

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Speaker 3: a rock. And I also think they're rounder than they

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Speaker 3: used to be because the league wants more points. And frankly,

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Speaker 3: the kickers are way better than they used to be too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that there's more private trainers, you know,

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Speaker 3: things of that nature. That's you know, the top guys

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Speaker 3: are so much better than they've ever been. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the bar is higher, but there's an I urge people

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Speaker 3: to do a little bit of research on it, because

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Speaker 3: it'd be a much longer conversation. But there was a

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Speaker 3: rule in terms of the kicking balls and what the

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Speaker 3: teams are allowed to do to docor them up. That

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Speaker 3: is definitely paying off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give them kicking balls. I hate it.

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Speaker 1: I'd take the goal us off the friggin' field. Matt,

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Speaker 1: great stuff as always.

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Speaker 2: We'll do it again next week, all right, man, that's

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Speaker 2: the great Matt Williamson boy.

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Speaker 1: A lot of insight there, Matt brought to us by

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Speaker 1: Borg joining me for hockey talk at four thirty. You

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Speaker 1: bunch of bobbleheads Lemieux, Crosby, Malkin Latang, come and get them.

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Speaker 1: That's tonight at the Pittsburgh Brewing Company in Creighton. What

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Speaker 1: oh five ninety X Tonight's it's the Penns against the

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Speaker 1: Maple Leafs.

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Speaker 5: Game time is seven thirty. Our coverage starts at six thirty.

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Speaker 5: Listen to every game and the best Pens coverage on

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Speaker 5: your home of the Pittsburgh Penguins five nine X.

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Speaker 2: At three six five is paying out before the final whistle.

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Speaker 2: Check out put three six fives onable