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Speaker 1: be talking about today. And welcome to the fifty five

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Speaker 1: krse Mark Levin to talk about your new book, Boy,

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Speaker 1: you pulled no punches on the title The Democrat Party

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Speaker 1: Hates America. Welcome back to the fifty five krc Morning Show.

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Speaker 2: Sir.

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Speaker 3: I think it was Jesse Jackson who said the truth

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Speaker 3: shall set you free.

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Speaker 4: Yah.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, thank you.

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Speaker 1: How I am doing well and I'm so pleased to

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Speaker 1: see you've got this this book. And early in the

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Speaker 1: It's organization that does not like this whole idea of

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Speaker 1: our children being sexualized and being an indoctrinate in the

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Speaker 1: name of the LGBTQ alphabet salad. My perception of that

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Speaker 1: is in an effort to and I know you deal

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Speaker 1: with a nuclear family in your book, but to not

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Speaker 1: only undermine the nuclear family, take parents out of the equation,

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Speaker 1: but also to undermine religious philosophy. I mean, we have

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Speaker 1: includes all different forms of doctrinal, dogmatic belief systems. But

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Speaker 1: the left hates the belief in God. It is a

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Speaker 1: higher power than the state. Marxist hate religion. This is

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Speaker 1: an effort to eradicate religion. My perception yours, sir, Have

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Speaker 3: I think you're one hundred percent right, because it's really indistinguishable,

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Speaker 3: I'll do stress the family structure, the nuclear family. They

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Speaker 3: all reject the perversion that our children are being taught

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Speaker 3: I think it's so very important. Wrote about it in

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Speaker 3: the Communist manifesto. You have to destroy the nuclear fam

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Speaker 3: I mean you have to destroy faith. Why because they

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Speaker 3: what is Marxism about? And frankly, what's the Democrat Party about?

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Speaker 3: In fact, they talk about book parning and removing books.

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Speaker 3: So we're removing pornography, We're removing things from our libraries

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Speaker 3: essentially because the Crap Party wants more money, more personnel

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Speaker 8: Tom, Good morning, Thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 1: Now, I guess context is really important. We're gonna we're

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Speaker 8: Law enforcement and the justice system. I mean law enforcement

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Speaker 1: quote unquote formed, And I kind of want you to

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Speaker 1: address that just a little bit. Did the authority for

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Speaker 1: the Texas Rangers and this evolving group that is the

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Speaker 1: Texas Rangers. Did it come from the state where they

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Speaker 1: authorized within certain parameters or maybe unlimited authority to go

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Speaker 1: out and catch bad guys.

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Speaker 8: Well, being authorized was kind of sporadic, you know. The

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Speaker 8: I should mention that the Texas Rangers this year, in

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty three, are celebrating the Advice Centennial, which is

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Speaker 8: pretty remarkable to have a law enforcement agency that's been

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Speaker 8: that durable. I mean, the FBI, for example, is only

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Speaker 8: about one hundred years old. So in the beginning, in

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Speaker 8: the first few decades. Really, when Stephen Austin first called

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Speaker 8: the Rangers together in eighteen twenty two, they were authorized

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Speaker 8: only for you know, whatever urgent need was you know,

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Speaker 8: there was an attack on a village and they had

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Speaker 8: to come you know, gather enough for enough men to

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Speaker 8: deal with that, or there was the border crossings that

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Speaker 8: were illegal and they had to go seal off the

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Speaker 8: border whatever they could. It really wasn't until after the

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Speaker 8: Civil War that the state of Texas fully authorized a

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Speaker 8: what they called the Frontier Battalion, which was the Texas Rangers.

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Speaker 8: And the other thing they did that was equally, if

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Speaker 8: not more important, is they budgeted for it. You know,

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Speaker 8: in the past, a lot of times Texas Rangers and

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Speaker 8: companies were just you know, dissolved because nobody's getting paid.

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Speaker 8: And it really wasn'tntil after the Civil War that they

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Speaker 8: budgeted so that they could have a Texas Rangers agency

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Speaker 8: that was always on call, always available, and these guys

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Speaker 8: were getting paid. They became professional lawmen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of kind of right, the evolution of

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Speaker 1: the militia. I mean, you want to take care of

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Speaker 1: your neighborhood and your region of your state, and then

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Speaker 1: you formed a militia with your fellow farmers or people

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Speaker 1: who lived there, and you just handle law enforcement kind

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Speaker 1: of like a volunteer fire department. Then you went back

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Speaker 1: to your life. This is a full time job, I

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Speaker 1: guess by the time. Let is it Leander McNelly. Leander

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Speaker 1: Leander McNelly And where did.

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Speaker 6: He come from?

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Speaker 1: And obviously the name of the book following to hell

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Speaker 1: mcneely's Texas Rangers in the Rise of Frontier Justice. Who

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Speaker 1: was this Leander mcnellly.

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Speaker 8: Well, he was originally his family was originally from Virginia

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Speaker 8: and he moved to Texas when he was still a

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Speaker 8: very young man. I think he was only eleven or twelve,

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Speaker 8: and he his brother had established a farm there and

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Speaker 8: so he was part of, you know, what was happening

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Speaker 8: a lot in the pre Civil War. People were coming

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Speaker 8: from elsewhere in the country to settle Texas because land

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Speaker 8: was cheap and there's a lot of it. And the

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Speaker 8: McNelly family he was one of those people and he

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Speaker 8: joined when the Civil War broke out. He was only

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Speaker 8: seventeen years old. He enlisted LA A couple of years

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Speaker 8: later he was the captain of a scouting company. He

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Speaker 8: was this fearless guy that men just seemed to follow him.

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Speaker 8: That's part of the title of the book obviously if

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Speaker 8: they had to. And after the war he became a

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Speaker 8: farmer and part time law enforcement agents. But it was

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Speaker 8: really in the mid eighteen seventies when he became a

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Speaker 8: full time ranger, a Texas Ranger captain, and started on

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Speaker 8: a bunch of adventures which are chronicled in the book,

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Speaker 8: including which you won't find in the textbooks of the

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Speaker 8: Invasion of Mexico only eighteen seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course you stumbled upon exactly what are want

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Speaker 1: to ask you for. I mean, there's if law enforcement

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Speaker 1: and these are authorized in some respect authorized agents of

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Speaker 1: the state are going into Mexico to recover stolen cattle

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Speaker 1: and get into gunplay, which, as you write about in

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Speaker 1: depth in the book, they did, and they killed a

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Speaker 1: lot of people to get the whatever was stolen or

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Speaker 1: whatever bad guy's back into Texas. That had the potential

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Speaker 1: to start a war.

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Speaker 9: It did.

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Speaker 8: In fact, there's one part, and I don't want to

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Speaker 8: give too much away about this climactic moment of the book,

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Speaker 8: but the mcnellyan his rangers, and there's only like twenty

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Speaker 8: six of them. It's only got this huge force of

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Speaker 8: gunmen following him behind him. But at one point the

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Speaker 8: mcnelly's rangers are on the Mexican side of the Rio

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Speaker 8: Grand they won't leave, and orders come telegraphs from Washington,

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Speaker 8: d C. You could say, from President Elisius Grant himself

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Speaker 8: saying get out of there, either surrender or get back

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Speaker 8: over here to the United States. And McNally says, no,

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Speaker 8: we're not leaving until our objective has meant, which is

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Speaker 8: we got to get the stolen cattleback. So yes, there

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Speaker 8: was a small herd of cows almost started through Mexican

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Speaker 8: American War.

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Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like there's a very very fine line

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Speaker 1: between vigilante justice and Texas Ranger justice. I mean you

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Speaker 1: I already suggested, you know what parameters they were operating under,

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Speaker 1: and apparently they were fairly loose and had a lot

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Speaker 1: of leeway and how they went about, you know, bringing

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Speaker 1: about justice in their mind. And I guess it really

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Speaker 1: was what was in their mind given under any given circumstance.

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Speaker 8: Yes, and there's a word you used before evolution, and

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Speaker 8: that's really what happened that, you know, the early Texas

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Speaker 8: Rangers were sort of like militiamen. They formed or to

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Speaker 8: deal with an emergency. That those were elected offices at

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Speaker 8: a lot of discretion as to what they considered justice.

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Speaker 8: Because there was again, there was a very little look

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Speaker 8: in the way of our justice system to go by.

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Speaker 8: And the solution was that they eventually became professionals. They

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Speaker 8: actually had to undergo training, they actually had to enforce

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Speaker 8: the law and not make it up as they went along.

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Speaker 8: So that's how when you look at Texas range of history,

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Speaker 8: all two hundred years of it, it really is a

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Speaker 8: mirror is the evolution of law enforcement and justice system

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Speaker 8: in the United States.

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Speaker 1: How did the Texas Rangers learn about the crimes? And

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Speaker 1: we had no internet then, and I can't remember what

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Speaker 1: year the telegraph was invented, But somehow, some way, in

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Speaker 1: a giant state like Texas, these twenty six thirty guys

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Speaker 1: had to find out who they were after or look at,

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Speaker 1: you know, find the bad guys. How did that information

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Speaker 1: make it to them or did they just wander around

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Speaker 1: looking for crimes that.

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Speaker 6: Have been committed.

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Speaker 8: Well many times it made its way to the state capital, Austin,

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Speaker 8: and they were ordered to go to a certain county,

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Speaker 8: to go to a certain city to look into something

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Speaker 8: that Austin had heard about. But mcilly in particular was

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Speaker 8: known for. One of the things he liked to do

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Speaker 8: is set up spy networks. He actually have his ranges

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Speaker 8: infiltrate or gangs, and he'd be tipped off if something

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Speaker 8: was about to happen. There's going to be a big

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Speaker 8: horse dealing operation, you know, there's going to be a

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Speaker 8: raid on this town. So a lot of times he

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Speaker 8: was prepared to intervene even before something happened. And that

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Speaker 8: was one of the particular idiosyncrasies of McNelly that he

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Speaker 8: liked to set up these spine networks.

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Speaker 1: That is fantastic. Well, and considering the gun play they

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Speaker 1: were involved in and the obviously dangerous folks that they

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Speaker 1: were going after in a fairly lawless period of time

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Speaker 1: in our nation's history, follow me to hell. Did they

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Speaker 1: lose a lot of guys along the way?

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Speaker 8: Well, they did. They There wasn't a lot of gun

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Speaker 8: play they did. Mcdelly's rangers I think during the time

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Speaker 8: that he was captain he only lost one man, which

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Speaker 8: is pretty remarkable to him. And one of the reasons

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Speaker 8: why is because he did train his men, and that's

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Speaker 8: not true of a lot of ranger captains of the day. Again,

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Speaker 8: they just got together as needed basis, But mcdelly kept

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Speaker 8: his guys together they underwent training when they were between missions.

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Speaker 8: They were not just sitting around telling stories on the

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Speaker 8: campfire doing some kind of blazing saddles kind of thing

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Speaker 8: you say they were. They were training. They were They're

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Speaker 8: practicing their shooting, they're practicing their riding, practicing this one

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Speaker 8: they needed, and I think that that ended up keeping

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Speaker 8: a lot of his men alive.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's where funding comes in. If they're getting

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Speaker 1: paid for this, I guess there's going to be funding

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Speaker 1: for arms and ammo and the training that they engaged in,

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Speaker 1: because I'm guessing affordability was a real problem when it

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Speaker 1: came to firearms and ammunition back in those days.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's funny you mentioned that the state paid for ammunition,

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Speaker 8: but you had to bring your own horse and your

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Speaker 8: own gun. So if you showed up with a horse

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Speaker 8: and the gun, they would give you ammunition, but otherwise

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Speaker 8: you were on your own.

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Speaker 6: That's great.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, in order to be hired as an engineer,

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Speaker 1: you must have an engineering degree. In order to be

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Speaker 1: a Texas ranger, you must have a firearm and a horse.

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Speaker 7: That's great, otherwise stay home.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you brought up blazing Suttles, because the

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Speaker 1: minute you talked about the governors being made aware of

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Speaker 1: these crimes, immediately thought of Rock Ridge and the hiring

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Speaker 1: of the sheriff to deal with the problems there. Fantasiastic,

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Speaker 1: Tom Clay, And you write a terrific, terrific book, and

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Speaker 1: Lord do you know your Western history? And I will

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Speaker 1: recommend my listeners get over to fifty five kre sea

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Speaker 1: Follow Me to Hell mcnelly's Texas Rangers and the Rise

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Speaker 1: of Frontier Justice. It is always a real pleasure reading

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Speaker 1: what you write and talking with you about it. Tom,

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Speaker 1: You're always welcome on the program. And I have to

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Speaker 1: imagine you've probably got another one in the works right now.

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Speaker 10: I do.

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Speaker 8: There's one it will be out in the fall called

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Speaker 8: The Last Outlaws about the Dalton Gang.

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Speaker 6: Oh fantastic.

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Speaker 8: Follow Me to Hell first and then you'll see The

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Speaker 8: Last Outlaws out in November.

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Speaker 6: Seven.

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday to you, Brian Thomas. Pleased as always talk

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Speaker 1: book offers, and today's no different than that. I am

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Speaker 1: happy to welcome to the fifty five PC Morning Show

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Speaker 1: DV Chernobb. He's award winning writer of historical crime in fiction.

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Speaker 1: Deve novel Commissar out in twenty twenty one named a

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Speaker 1: finalist for the prestigious Hemiway International Book Award. He was

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Speaker 1: born in Olmsk, Russia, grew up in the Soviet Union

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Speaker 1: during the final close of the Cold War, before immigrating

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Speaker 1: in the United States nineteen ninety one. He built a

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Speaker 1: career in the high tech industry, which is important for

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Speaker 1: the other book we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 10: It.

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Speaker 1: Decided to follow his long dream of writing his first novel,

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Speaker 1: that book on the Russian Revolution, Commissar, a novel of

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Speaker 1: civil war in Russia. And we're also going to be

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Speaker 1: talking about his other book, a tech related one with

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Speaker 1: some local connections, Severed Echoes.

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Speaker 7: DV.

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Speaker 1: Chernoff, Welcome to the fifty five Kars Morning Show. It's

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on.

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Speaker 5: Hey Brian, good morning, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I grew up during the Cold War, and before we

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Speaker 1: dive into the books that we're going to talk about today,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to know from your from the inside perspective.

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Speaker 1: As a as a citizen under the Soviet Union looking out,

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Speaker 1: we had the endless stream of propaganda related about the

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Speaker 1: inside of the Soviet Union breadlines. It's terrible. They can't

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Speaker 1: get blue jeans. They want freedom, they want liberty. What

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Speaker 1: was the inside the Soviet Union perspective of the United

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Speaker 1: States during that period of time, if you don't mind

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Speaker 1: going down this little cul de sac.

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Speaker 5: No, absolutely, And you know, honestly, when when you're growing

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Speaker 5: up in any environment, you don't really question it, right,

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Speaker 5: it's not until later that you start getting some perspective

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Speaker 5: and get sort of this outside view of maybe things

656
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Speaker 5: shouldn't be this waying necessarily right. So, but you know,

657
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Speaker 5: as you said, in many ways, it was just like

658
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Speaker 5: growing up in the US at the time. You know,

659
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Speaker 5: a lot of propaganda. Of course, it was always you know,

660
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Speaker 5: the West, what's the West doing? You know, what, what

661
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Speaker 5: does Russia have to worry about? So, but you know,

662
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Speaker 5: Russia is you know, you got to realize too, it's

663
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Speaker 5: it's just a country with such a troubled past, you know,

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Speaker 5: and even before the Communists took over in nineteen seventeen.

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Speaker 5: And this is in part kind of what my first

666
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Speaker 5: novel you mentioned, Commissart dives and yeah, it dives into

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Speaker 5: is that period of Russian Civil War and kind of

668
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Speaker 5: that period of change and it's it's in some ways exciting.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of possibilities, a lot of ideas,

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Speaker 5: you know, because people were unhappy, you know, World War

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Speaker 5: One is going on, a lot of a lot of

672
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Speaker 5: things are happening economically, and two people and so uh,

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of excitement about what can we build

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Speaker 5: and then and then things, of course, you know, go

675
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Speaker 5: wrong at some point and the grand experiment that was

676
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Speaker 5: set up doesn't really work out. But growing up kind

677
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Speaker 5: of at the tail end of that experiment, you know,

678
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Speaker 5: you finally started to have some glimmers of hope, you know,

679
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Speaker 5: when Gorbachev came to power and and you know, the

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Speaker 5: wall came down in Berlin and there was really kind

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Speaker 5: of a warm up and relationships between US and Russia

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Speaker 5: and and then you know, it just it just disheartening

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Speaker 5: now to see that the country again kind of slipped

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Speaker 5: under this very authoritarian government that's found new ways to

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Speaker 5: hurt its people and and and people of Ukraine. It's

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Speaker 5: just they just it's just terrible.

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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's one of those you if you

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Speaker 1: don't study the mistakes of history, you're doing to repeat them.

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Speaker 1: Kamis are your first novel, but of the civil War

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Speaker 1: in Russia. It seems to me that at least some

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Speaker 1: parallels might be able to be drawn between the like,

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Speaker 1: for example, the French Revolution you had the aristocracy treating people,

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Speaker 1: you know, let them eat cake sort of attitude of

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Speaker 1: bad economic times, and the populis revolt against them. And

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Speaker 1: then of course there's the purges Soviet Union. Obviously the

697
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Speaker 1: czar wasn't really warm and friendly with their people. People

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Speaker 1: were had enough, they were isolated and ill treated. This

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Speaker 1: gave rise to the spark of Marxism, which obviously took over.

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Speaker 1: Is something to be Are there parallels between those two?

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Speaker 1: Just poor treatment is going to result in revolt, it seems,

702
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Speaker 1: is a history lesson.

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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I think. I think people can only take

704
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Speaker 5: so much, you know, only to a certain point. And

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Speaker 5: when you have you know, this long standing monarchy of

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Speaker 5: the Romanovs who ruled Russia for over three hundred years.

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Speaker 5: I mean they ruled over a massive empire. I think

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Speaker 5: at the time only the British Empire had larger territory,

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Speaker 5: and that was through colonies. Well, there's Russia had primarily

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Speaker 5: one contiguous land mass to rule over, so hugely disconnected,

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Speaker 5: you know, many many different people's nationalities, religions that kind

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Speaker 5: of fell under their control. And as you said, you know,

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Speaker 5: it was just too much and people were suffering. And

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Speaker 5: when Russia when bizarre, you know, pulled Russia to World

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Speaker 5: War One, and World War One lasted for years and years,

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Speaker 5: millions of casualties in Russia just kept throwing people at it, right,

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Speaker 5: they didn't have the technology really to make headway, but

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Speaker 5: they had plenty of people to keep throwing at it.

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Speaker 5: And so, you know, toward the end of the war,

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Speaker 5: you know, you look at nineteen sixteen, nineteen seventeen, they

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Speaker 5: were sending you know, kids sixteen seventeen year old on

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Speaker 5: trains to the European Front with no weapons. They were

723
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Speaker 5: just they had no rifles left. They said, you know,

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Speaker 5: go there, pick one up from the battlefield.

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Speaker 1: Fight and the horrors of trench warfare cannot be understated.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely just awful with works of historical fiction like you, right,

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Speaker 1: I love these because you have truly historical concepts. It

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Speaker 1: worked within a fiction story, so you know, rather than

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Speaker 1: just read a heady tome on you know, on this

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Speaker 1: date happened, and you weave a great tale and one

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Speaker 1: of the things in Commisar before we get to your

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Speaker 1: your more tech books, Severed Echoes, you talk about the

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Speaker 1: little known history of the United States and British intervention

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Speaker 1: in the Russian Civil War between nineteen eighteen and twenty two.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of that defeat turn off.

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Speaker 5: It's it's crazy. Yeah, a lot of people are not.

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Speaker 5: And what actually happened is the Russian Civil War broke

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Speaker 5: out in nineteen eighteen, so after the revolution, Bolsheviks took over,

739
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Speaker 5: and then you have all these factions trying to gain control.

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Speaker 5: Some want monarchy back, others want anarchy literally, others want,

741
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Speaker 5: you know, different flavors of democracy and and so you

742
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Speaker 5: have this massive war breaking out, but we also have

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Speaker 5: a foreign intervention with hundreds of thousands of troops from

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Speaker 5: from Japan, from US, from Canada, from even Australia or England,

745
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Speaker 5: as you mentioned, France, and so you as actually sent

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Speaker 5: eleven thousand troops to Russia and they were there engaged,

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Speaker 5: sometimes in active confrontations with Russian militaries of various flavors

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Speaker 5: for a period of several years. They were American bases

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Speaker 5: established in Mormon's Canvladivostock and and you know four hundred

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Speaker 5: and twenty four US soldiers actually died on Russian land.

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Speaker 5: And again it's it's a very little known history.

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Speaker 1: It is fifty seven years old, and I did not

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Speaker 1: know this, DV.

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Speaker 6: I'm serious, don't feel.

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Speaker 5: Bad, man, it's it's it's it's buried pretty deep. And

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Speaker 5: I think I believe it's the only time in history

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Speaker 5: that American troops actually went directly had to head with

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Speaker 5: the Russian troops.

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Speaker 6: How about that?

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Speaker 5: All the other of course during the Cold War, of

761
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Speaker 5: course it was all proxy wars.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, well, and we all know about proxy wars today.

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Speaker 1: D V Turnoff, author of Commissar, which is available on

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Speaker 1: my website fifty five krcy dot com, so people also

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Speaker 1: can get enlightened about that chapter in our history as

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Speaker 1: well as Russia's history. Let's pivot over to severed echoes

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Speaker 1: and Nick, is it sever's mystery? This is going to

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Speaker 1: be an arguing yeah, yeah, ongoing character. Then you've you

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Speaker 1: started the first of what will be a series of books.

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Speaker 1: Give my listeners a little insight about severed echoes because

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Speaker 1: this involves modern tech crime.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely a great connection for you tech Friday as well.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it fits right in there. So Epar Echo

774
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Speaker 5: is a new series featuring Nick Severs. He's a big

775
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Speaker 5: city cop kind of decides to take a quiet life

776
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Speaker 5: and take a detective job in a small town police

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Speaker 5: department in Pine Lake, Colorado, And when a body of

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Speaker 5: a young woman is found, everything looks like a suicide,

779
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Speaker 5: except there is a recording, an accidental recording on her

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Speaker 5: digital voice assistant device. So think of kind of like Amazon,

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Speaker 5: Echo or Google. And so he begins this investigation and

782
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Speaker 5: kind of leads him down this high tech rabbit hole

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Speaker 5: with with with a lot of interesting things, you know,

784
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Speaker 5: from from personal data to AI to hacking of computers

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Speaker 5: and information security and things like that. And then in

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Speaker 5: addition to that, he suddenly has to deal with these

787
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Speaker 5: kind of rogue hacker group who decides to target him

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Speaker 5: and he has to sort of unravel the mystery of

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Speaker 5: his own past. So there's really two big themes here.

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Speaker 5: There's technology and then there's also psychology. You know, it

791
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 5: dives into things like how does our memory work? So

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Speaker 5: a lot of interesting things there.

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Speaker 1: Well, and since you had a career in the high

794
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Speaker 1: tech industry, you get all this stuff which makes it

795
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Speaker 1: such a wonderful thing to weave this, this this tale

796
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Speaker 1: of a fake murder into all of this really true

797
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: investigative resources and everything that we have to work with

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Speaker 1: in this modern theater. It's fascinating stuff.

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Speaker 2: D V.

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Speaker 1: Churn Out, the author of Severed Echoes as well as Commas,

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Speaker 1: are both books dev are going to be on my

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Speaker 1: blog pages. I mentioned fifty five cars dot Com. I'll

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Speaker 1: encourage my listeners to get they certainly will enjoy them.

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Speaker 1: And as I always like to recommend, once you enjoy

805
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: a book, you really share the love. Let a friend

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Speaker 1: read it too and spread the word about the great

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Speaker 1: writing of d V. Churn offf my guests today, DV.

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Speaker 1: I'll look forward to the next in the edition after

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Speaker 1: Severed Echoes. We'll all enjoy reading both of these fabulous books,

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Speaker 1: and someday I'll be looking forward to talking about your

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Speaker 1: next book here on the fifty five Cars Morning Show.

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Speaker 5: Hey, thank you. Brian just went to mention real quick too.

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Speaker 5: Really happy that for Severed Echoes, the audio book was

814
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Speaker 5: actually recorded by Robert Oh.

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Speaker 6: I'm so so.

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Speaker 1: I have that in my notes. I mentioned that three

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Speaker 1: times already this morning. He's a friend of the entire community.

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Speaker 1: Rob Oh, I'm friends with Rob. We go out to

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Speaker 1: dinner with his wife, and he's just just an absolutely

820
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Speaker 1: wonderful human being and the best air show announcer in

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Speaker 1: the country. He does recorded books. When you get a

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Speaker 1: book on tape, Rob Ryder is going to be reading

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Speaker 1: Severed Echoes, so go ahead and get the audio edition

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Speaker 1: or the hardbound edition.

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Speaker 11: DV.

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Speaker 1: Churn Off, Thanks for reminding me about that. Rob's probably

827
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Speaker 1: listening right now. It's about time, Brian.

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Speaker 5: Take care of Thanks you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Happy to best of health and love to you and

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Speaker 1: your family. Seven fifty Welcome to the Fify five KRC

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Speaker 1: Morning Show. Doctor Stephen Solloway got an undergraduate study from

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Speaker 1: Stonybrook University, attending the American University of the Caribbean School

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Speaker 1: of Medicine, Montserrat, British West Indies, London, England, Boston, m A.

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Speaker 1: And Omaha, Nebraska, with postgraduate training in Mercy Catholic Medical Center.

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Speaker 6: Let's see here.

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Speaker 1: He's got a very very very extensive background. Described as

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Speaker 1: one of the America's top rheumatologist and former appointing to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's President's Council on Sports, Fitness and Nutrition, he

839
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Speaker 1: is going to expose for us today as he does

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Speaker 1: in his book. We're getting a little insight into his

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Speaker 1: book Medical Politics, How to Protect Yourself from bad doctors,

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00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: insurance companies, in big government. Welcome to the program, doctor Soloway.

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Speaker 1: It's good to have you on today.

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Speaker 7: Oh, thank you, good morning, and thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, I have to ask you this just by

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Speaker 1: way of background, I litigation attorney for sixteen years, eight

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Speaker 1: of which I worked in the litigation department at one

848
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Speaker 1: of the biggest medical insurance companies, Anthem. So I have

849
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Speaker 1: a familiarity with the inside working of medical insurance companies.

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Speaker 1: But it's never answered the question to me. And I

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Speaker 1: know it's a broad question. You break it down over

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Speaker 1: and over in the book, but why in the hell

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Speaker 1: is medical care so expensive?

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of reasons that cost is expensive, and

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Speaker 7: it starts with government overreach. Everything starts with the government overreach.

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Speaker 7: Everything starts with government overreach. They want to raise taxes,

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Speaker 7: They create fake positions, they create fake work, they create

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Speaker 7: taxes to cover everything. So what happens today is the

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Speaker 7: government will pass out money to a hospital system to

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Speaker 7: buy up all the practices and to buy up the

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Speaker 7: practices will eliminate the need to audit a thousand, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 7: a million doctors, only a thousand practices or a thousand hospitals.

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Speaker 7: So it's about making the government have an easier job

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Speaker 7: at stealing your money and watching you and controlling what

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Speaker 7: you do. So I'd like to say that the twitters

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Speaker 7: of the world are proxy to filter your free speech. Well,

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Speaker 7: the private payers, like the anthems of the world, are

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Speaker 7: filtered to take away your medical care. And the government

869
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 7: is behind all of the ins and outs of why

870
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 7: prices are going up to cover internal costs so that

871
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 7: they can spy on the doctor, which makes the doctor

872
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 7: crawl into a hole, not be innovative, become a sheep.

873
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 7: And when you're a sheep, you don't give good care.

874
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 7: And when you don't give good care, the quality goes down,

875
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 7: and hospital waiting rooms get filled up, and people don't

876
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 7: get attention, and people are worried about putting data in

877
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 7: computers and typing on computers, and they're not being taught

878
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 7: how to examine or talk to people, and everything spirals

879
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 7: out of control. But it all goes back to big government,

880
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 7: goes back to the woke ideology that's interesting.

881
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: My personal physician usually listens I think he used to

882
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: listen I don't know if he still does to the

883
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: fifty five KRC Morning show. And he would text me

884
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: every once in a while. But one of the things

885
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: that he told me, because he now has gone to

886
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: a full concierge practice, the paperwork is insane. He said,

887
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: I sit at this computer and I don't do anything

888
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: but enter records and enter dated. There was a while,

889
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: Doctor Solomon, where I protested the idea of him putting

890
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: all this in computerizing. I said, just keep a paper file.

891
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: I don't want my information computerized.

892
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 6: I said.

893
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: The main reason why is you also offer services for

894
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: Medicare Medicaid people, and by virtue of that connection, the

895
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: federal government and the powers that be have access to

896
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: all of your patient's medical records. Am I correct on

897
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: that conclusion, doctor Soloway? Even though I'm not a Medicare,

898
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: Medicaid federal government insured person, they still could look at

899
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: my records.

900
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 7: Not only are you correct, they do look at your records,

901
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 7: and they do extrapolate data about everybody, not just the

902
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 7: ones that they are allegedly covering, the insurance or the

903
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 7: live for so.

904
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 9: On.

905
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 7: What you just said. What happens is when a person

906
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 7: is on Medicare, their secondary insurance, which again I'm just

907
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 7: using anthems since you've broke it up before, but it

908
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 7: could be any private payer they take over as an HMO.

909
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 7: So Medicare isn't what it used to be. Not that

910
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 7: I'm for a socialized system, because we have one now

911
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 7: and it's horrible. And what you said about paperwork and

912
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 7: your family doctor having to get out of it to

913
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 7: be concierge, that's all true. But when seniors hit sixty

914
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 7: five and they go on Medicare, they no longer can

915
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 7: pick and choose their doctor because the secondary insurance, which

916
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 7: is the private payer that covers the twenty percent, the

917
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 7: part B or the medi gap. You know, this is

918
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 7: a totalitarian medicine. This is not just g I'll pay

919
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 7: my twenty percent and move along. This is you get

920
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 7: your doctor is going to get the Medicare pay rate.

921
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 7: But the decision for if your prescription or test is

922
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 7: allowed has nothing to do with Medicare. It has all

923
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 7: to do with the private payer, and the government allows

924
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 7: them to make whatever rules they want. So when they're auditing,

925
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 7: looking or snooping around in the Medicare chart. All the

926
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 7: Medicare people, they have other insurances. So if you're looking

927
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 7: at the Medicare and Anthem patients, well you might as

928
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 7: well look at the Anthem patients too and see what's

929
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 7: going on with them. And just like, just like you

930
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 7: don't want to get an IRIS scan because you don't

931
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 7: want them to have your DNA on file or whatever,

932
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 7: you don't want them to have your private health records

933
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 7: known either. I mean many people have this same feeling

934
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 7: as you do. And the problem is, fifteen years ago,

935
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 7: with the Affordable Care Act, these computers became a law.

936
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 7: And as you said to your doctor, I don't want

937
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 7: my stuff on paper charts, and he told you correctly, Well,

938
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 7: you know, if I use paper charts, I'm going to

939
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 7: get in trouble with the government. It's true. He'll be

940
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 7: convicted of fraud or accused or something terrible.

941
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting he didn't say he get in trouble

942
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: with the government. He said basically, it came down he

943
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: get in trouble with the healthcare system that own his

944
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: practice because they're the ones that mandated everything to be electronic.

945
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: And p sume that is because the federal government told them.

946
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: They must be put in electronic form.

947
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 7: That's correct. Yes, So his situation is one step different.

948
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 7: The situation that he was in some big system came

949
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 7: along with the government money bought his practice, and then

950
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 7: he became an employee instead of an entrepreneur exactly. And

951
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 7: this is a big problem. You can't take away thinking

952
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 7: in a thinking man's world. And that's what the governments

953
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 7: that are too large do. They take away your thinking,

954
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 7: and they put you in a corner, and they give

955
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 7: you rules, and they tell you you have fifteen minutes

956
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 7: with a patient and not sixteen. And if you go

957
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 7: over by a minute, and if the thing isn't documented

958
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 7: correctly the medical record, then you're going to be penalized

959
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 7: because the being counter who's looking to look for certain

960
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 7: keywords to justify Medicare's payment to that insurance company, if

961
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 7: you don't fulfill all the criteria. Forget the patient, they

962
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 7: don't count, but the criteria or the check the boxes,

963
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 7: then they're not going to get paid. And if they

964
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 7: don't get paid, it's a trickle down effect. So the

965
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 7: government controls the money. The government tells the insurance companies,

966
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 7: you know you're in charge, but we're really in charge,

967
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 7: and yeah, you're going to buy up all these doctors

968
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 7: and they're going to follow the rules, otherwise they're not

969
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 7: going to be employed.

970
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: So my doctor oll in a regular scenario under those circumstances.

971
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: Since again it's con Scierre's practice, they're no longer a diagnostician.

972
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 6: They're basically.

973
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: I like to say, the MBA practice of medicine's almost

974
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: like a four next sloop or and if then statement

975
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: they get a chart to if this happened, then do this,

976
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: and they don't have any out of the box thinking

977
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: to probably provide you with better medical care.

978
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 7: I put in the book that in twenty five to

979
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 7: fifty years the doctor's going to be replaced with a kiosk. Yep,

980
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 7: it's happening now. Unless you know, in plastic surgery, you

981
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 7: don't have to worry about this because people are going

982
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 7: with money and the guy's going to spend all day,

983
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 7: you know, doing whatever plastic surgery. But in normal good health,

984
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 7: nobody cares anymore. And I say nobody again, I start

985
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 7: with the government, go down to the CEO of the

986
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 7: private company and take over of all the practices.

987
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's a frightening reality. And then you can back

988
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: what you said in your conclusions very clearly up with

989
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 1: the dumbing down of medical schools. They're not requiring any

990
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 1: specific academic standards or achievements in order to allow people

991
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 1: to get into medical school, which just scares the living

992
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: hell out of me.

993
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 6: Doctor soloin no wealth.

994
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 7: System, the health system or I'm the chairman of rheumatology

995
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 7: and that covers four hospitals. The medicine residents are not

996
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 7: required to rotate through rheumatology at all during their three years.

997
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 7: So how much worse can it get? They're not even

998
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 7: exposed to all the fields that are within their field.

999
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 7: You know, it's terrible.

1000
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 6: So what do they do get?

1001
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: I mean, they have it written down by some government

1002
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: entity what you should do if these certain symptoms are presented,

1003
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: and they just do that, or they get on Google

1004
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: to figure out why these symptoms are present in their patient.

1005
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand how you can become a

1006
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: doctor without having some exposure to that very important field.

1007
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 7: If you ask me this question thirty years ago, I'd

1008
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 7: say you're out of your mind for even asking the question.

1009
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 7: But now now it's so real that it's insane, and

1010
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 7: I don't understand it myself. I can just tell you

1011
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 7: that the people that are training today, that are coming

1012
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 7: out today or tomorrow, they know next to nothing. This

1013
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 7: is no lie. I work with them. I see them

1014
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 7: with hospitals. I you know, share patients, you know from

1015
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 7: different illnesses and different doctors and whatnot. And the people

1016
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 7: that are in practice twenty five thirty years like me,

1017
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 7: we all speak the same language. The other people they

1018
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 7: click the boxes and they say, Okay, it's a fever,

1019
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 7: send it to the infection guy, it's it's swollen, send

1020
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 7: it to that guy, it's this, send it there. They

1021
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 7: don't know what they're doing. And then what happens is

1022
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 7: when these people are sending it everywhere, then all of

1023
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 7: a sudden, that's when the insurance comes in and denies everything.

1024
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: See not medically necessary.

1025
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 7: You got it, not medically necessary. And the person who

1026
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 7: deems it not medically necessary is never in the healthcare field.

1027
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 7: They only work for a healthcare company, but they don't

1028
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 7: have any medical background whatsoever.

1029
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: Well, that's also where the pharmaceuticals come any companies come in,

1030
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking of for example, I used commercials for

1031
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: a company that did or a service that provided bioidentical

1032
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: hormone replacement therapy, which are really good for curing a

1033
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: lot of problems like high cholesterol. But the pharmaceutical companies

1034
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: hate it because you can't patent something that exists in nature,

1035
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: so they steer doctors away from something that might be

1036
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: quite effective for that particular problem, as well as others,

1037
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: in favor of putting them on something like lipator for

1038
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: their entire life, which probably has its own side effects,

1039
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: which I'm thinking maybe dementia is included in there. That's

1040
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: just my conclusion. But ivermectin was another one. Donald Trump

1041
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: mentioned the word ivermecnim. It's no longer patented, it's a

1042
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: generic now. It could help solve people's problems and it

1043
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: has been proven to do so with COVID nineteen in

1044
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: terms of recovery. That was foreboden. I mean even mentioning it.

1045
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: That you were ridiculed for thinking it was a possibility.

1046
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: But that's what a diagnostician does.

1047
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 7: That's correct. Diagnostician needs to think outside the box and

1048
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 7: needs to understand that drugs are available through the FDA

1049
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 7: only for what they were studied for. There's not enough

1050
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 7: money to go around to study it. For five hundred problems.

1051
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 7: You study it for the most profitable, and then after

1052
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 7: the most profitable, you find out all the things that

1053
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 7: can do that are great in other conditions. And when

1054
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 7: you want to use it for the other conditions, you're

1055
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 7: getting feedback saying, no, you can't use it. It's not

1056
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 7: approved for that awfully right right. It may not be approved,

1057
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 7: but it is the standard of care is nothing better.

1058
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 7: So you see, depending on depending on, you know, kind

1059
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 7: of like with the irs. You know, if you live

1060
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 7: across the street from you're getting auto insurance, and some

1061
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 7: people will say, oh, you know, I drive four hundred

1062
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 7: miles to go to work for my taxes, but I

1063
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 7: don't drive to work. I leave the car in the garage.

1064
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 7: When it comes to my income tax I'm sorry for

1065
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 7: the auto insurance company. So it's all a spin on words.

1066
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: It's sure as the name of the book Medical Politics,

1067
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: How to Protect yourself from bad doctors, insurance companies in

1068
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: big government. Real quick here, I know you can't get

1069
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: know the wise and wareforce because everybody's going to want

1070
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: to read the book and get more information. But you

1071
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: mentioned the bad doctors. Obviously, the scenario is presenting itself

1072
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: it's only going to get worse. Based upon what you

1073
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: know and what we all now know that how do

1074
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: you protect yourself from a bad doctor? How do you

1075
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: find a good doctor?

1076
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 7: Then you ask your friends and family and you find

1077
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 7: somebody self employed, because if you gets stuck within the system,

1078
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 7: you're going to be referred within the system for the

1079
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 7: rest of your life and you're going to become an

1080
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 7: annuity for the system. You don't want to be an

1081
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 7: annuity for a system. You don't want to go to

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00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 7: a place with five hundred doctors. You want to go

1083
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 7: to a place that's one or two doctors or three doctors,

1084
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 7: and that's it, and you want to sit down and

1085
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 7: be able to talk to them.

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00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 6: There you have it.

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00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: Which, honestly, doctor, you've proven the point about a concierge's practice.

1088
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: They don't deal with the federal government. They're free to

1089
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: diagnose you and quite often, and this has been my experience,

1090
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: they're readily accessible. Last time I got sick, I texted him,

1091
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: I told him I had an infection. I got a

1092
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: prescription for antibiotics without even able to go in. It

1093
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: was like God was the easiest thing ever.

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00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 7: So so the only problem with concierge medicine is if

1095
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 7: Scott forbid, you need to go to the hospital and

1096
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 7: they run the bill up to a million dollars, you

1097
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 7: better have catastrophic insurance just for that. But if you

1098
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 7: have that, then yes, that's the better way to go today.

1099
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 7: And I do hope the pendulum swings back one day

1100
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 7: and that there's an uprising and doctors stopped taking insurances altogether,

1101
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 7: and by doing that it'll force the system to reverse.

1102
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 7: And we do have political shifting, and we do have

1103
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 7: all kinds of shifting, so I can only hope that

1104
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 7: this pendulum too will shift, hopefully in my lifetime. But

1105
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 7: things I always say, I'm happy, I'm not at the

1106
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 7: beginning of my career right now, that's for sure.

1107
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: You sound like someone is already in retirement and not

1108
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: concerned about the collapse of Social Security because they're going

1109
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 1: to be dead before it collapses. It's not my problem,

1110
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: doctor Steven Saloway. I have wonderful conversation. Thank you for

1111
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: writing this book so we can apply your principles and

1112
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: what we learn from it to fighting back medical politics.

1113
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: How to protect yourself from bad doctors, insurance companies, a

1114
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: big government doctor. It's on my website at fifty five

1115
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: KRC dot com so my listeners can easily get a

1116
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: copy of it.

1117
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was going to say signed copies at at

1118
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 7: medicine book dot net.

1119
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: Okay, we can do it that way as well. Medicine

1120
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: book dot net for a sign one my relab website

1121
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: for any copy and be sure and share it with

1122
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: your friends. Spread the knowledge, Doctor Soloway, It's been a

1123
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: real pleasure joining me today. I am pleased. Welcome to

1124
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Senior Master Sergeant retired

1125
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: Israel DT del Toro Junior. By the way a background,

1126
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: he served in the United States Air Force in Afghanistan

1127
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: as a special warfare operator severely injured in action in

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00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. We'll talk about his recovery and

1129
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: his advocacy on behalf of his fellow wounded warriors, but

1130
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 1: he was instrumental in the creation of the Air Force

1131
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: Wounded Warrior program. In February twenty ten, my guest was

1132
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: the first one hundred percent disabled airman to re enlist

1133
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: in the Air Force. He's also the recipient of Purple Heart,

1134
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: Bronze Star, and the Pat Tilman Award for service. Welcome

1135
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: to the program DT. It is a distinct pleasure to

1136
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: have you. Want to let me start by thanking you

1137
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: for your service to our country and your continued service

1138
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: to your fellow veterans.

1139
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 11: Thank you, thank you for having me on. It's a pleasure.

1140
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: It is my pleasure. Indeed the name of the book,

1141
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 1: and it's a best seller. Congratulations on being best seller.

1142
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: I checked Amazon right before the program started. A Patriots promise,

1143
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: protecting my brothers, fighting for my life and keeping my word.

1144
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: Let us start with the book's titled a Patriots Promise.

1145
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: My understanding is that came as a consequence of a

1146
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: promise you made to your late father when you were

1147
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: a young man.

1148
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 11: Yeah. So when I was twelve years old, my dad

1149
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 11: on January twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight, had called a

1150
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 11: home because he had he was in Mexico because he

1151
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 11: had health problems with his lungs, so went out there

1152
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 11: to even get help. And I was the last one

1153
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,959
Speaker 11: to speak to him, and the last thing he told

1154
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 11: me he was, you know, promise me they'll take care

1155
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 11: of his sisters and your family. And you know, for

1156
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 11: a twelve year old kids like okay whatever, And it

1157
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 11: makes me it again. So I say it, you know,

1158
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 11: not knowing that the next day he was going to

1159
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 11: be gone. So I knew that the tide of the book.

1160
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 11: I wanted to promise and had to have to have

1161
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 11: the order to promise because that promise shaped my path

1162
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 11: and who I was going to become. And I remember,

1163
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 11: I'm trying to use hero a hero's problems.

1164
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 7: I'm like, you know, if there.

1165
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 11: Was someone writing my book about me, Yeah, but I'm

1166
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 11: doing it.

1167
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: I heard, yeah, yeah, little little spushy little self deprecation

1168
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: never hurt anybody, My friend, a patriots problem, you will

1169
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: obviously demonstrably a patriot you and and I guess your

1170
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: father when you said, you know, take care of your

1171
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, you were talking about he was talking

1172
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: about your siblings, correct.

1173
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: I mean.

1174
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: You took it to the next level though, because when

1175
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: you joined America's military and listened to the Air Force,

1176
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: you inherited a huge family of additional brothers and sisters.

1177
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 11: I did that promise, like I said, at first, started

1178
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 11: with my brother's DISTERSI my mom, and has now evolved

1179
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 11: to what it is now. Where anyone out there that

1180
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 11: feels like they don't have a voice, there there or

1181
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 11: needs help. They're my family, and I try and step

1182
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 11: up and continue honoring that promise.

1183
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: To my dad.

1184
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: Well, and you have done it, just more so than

1185
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: I think anybody else I've ever talked to. Considering the

1186
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: extent of your injuries, tell my listeners what happened in

1187
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: Afghanistan when you were serving that led you to receiving,

1188
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: of course the purple Heart, but also that inspired you

1189
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: to move forward and rehabilitate your life and continue to

1190
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: be this wonderful, wonderful inspiration.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Sure.

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01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 7: So.

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01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 11: On December fourth, two thousand and five, I was I

1194
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 11: had a mission with my Scout team and we were

1195
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 11: coming back and we'd lead vehicle and we crossed this

1196
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 11: creek and no more than two hundred meters after creek

1197
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 11: do I feel an intense heatlast time my left sign.

1198
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 11: I was like, holy crap, we just got hit, and you.

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Speaker 7: Know, I get out of the truck.

1200
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 11: But when I got out of the truck, I was

1201
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 11: on fire from at the toe, and so I turned

1202
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 11: and try to run to the creek, but the flames

1203
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 11: over overtook me and I collapsed and I'm laying.

1204
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 9: There and this is it.

1205
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 11: As I broke my promise to my family, and I

1206
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 11: always come back. I broke my promise to my son

1207
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 11: that I will never let him grow up without his

1208
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 11: dad like I did. But most importantly, I'm going to

1209
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 11: break my promise to my dad that I always take

1210
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 11: care of my family. But then one of my teammates

1211
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 11: tells me up and we both jumped in the creek

1212
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 11: and the sound that I heard was the same sound

1213
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 11: you hear when you put a hot hand in cold water,

1214
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 11: but it was instead of a pan, it was my body.

1215
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 11: But you know, my missions didn't stop there because there

1216
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 11: was a plan ambush. As soon as we got hit.

1217
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 11: The second half of the guys that were picking up

1218
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 11: starting to get hit with the crossway and now they're

1219
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 11: calling back. It's like where's Gunslinger, which was my call sign.

1220
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 11: I was like, we need close air support because I'm

1221
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 11: the guy that causing the air strikes. You know, Yeah,

1222
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 11: I was deployed, you know, air Force, and those guys

1223
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 11: were Army. Well, when we're downrange, it doesn't matter Army, Navy, Marines,

1224
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 11: air Force. We're all brothers in arms. We have each

1225
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 11: other's back, and they're my family. So again I had

1226
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 11: an honor my dad's promise, and I had to figure

1227
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 11: out how to take care of my family because my

1228
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 11: raidos were destroyed. So luckily one of the other Scout

1229
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 11: members had a radio and I just told him, get

1230
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 11: on this frequency, repeat everything I say so we can

1231
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 11: get some aircraft in here, get some help. And by

1232
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 11: the time the last transmission went out, I started getting scared,

1233
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 11: like I'm never be the one that says, you know,

1234
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 11: I wasn't scared, you know, I was like ramble nerves

1235
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 11: of steel. Once that adrenaline went down, I started getting scared.

1236
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 11: I was asking where's the where's the metabac because I

1237
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 11: was having a heart time breathing and I just wanted

1238
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 11: to sleep. And I remember the medics saying trying to

1239
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 11: keep me up because he knew if he let me

1240
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 11: fall asleep, I won't.

1241
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 2: Wake up again.

1242
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 11: And so he started using my son to keep me awake.

1243
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 11: Because I like to say we all have a spark,

1244
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 11: which is ironic. Here's a burn guy now talking about

1245
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 11: that we all have a spark, but we do. We

1246
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 11: have a spark that drives us and that motivates it

1247
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 11: keeps us going. And for me, it was my son

1248
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 11: and used that to keep me awake till the helicopter came,

1249
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 11: and I remember they wanted to call me yet, and

1250
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 11: I was like, oh, hell no, I walked into this fight.

1251
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 11: I'm going to walk out, and I get on the helicopter.

1252
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 11: They find me to our foreign operating base. They take

1253
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 11: him to the little field hospital, the doctor cutting off

1254
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 11: my watch, telling me I'm going to be okay. That

1255
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 11: was December fourth oh five and I wake up March.

1256
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 2: Of o six.

1257
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to elaborate slightly. You didn't delve

1258
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: into the extent of your injuries. Third degree burns over

1259
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: eighty percent of your body. And also, as I'm reading,

1260
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: you died nearly three times.

1261
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 11: Yes, surday, you know when I was in a coma.

1262
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 11: You know, like I said, I had three burns on

1263
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 11: eighty percent of my body, almost at three times and

1264
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 11: given a fifteen percent chance to survive.

1265
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: And also the idea that if you did survive, which

1266
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: clearly you did, your doctors told you would have a

1267
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: respirator for the rest of your life and never walk again.

1268
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: You proved them all wrong.

1269
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 4: I did.

1270
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 11: It's very unique waking up and them telling you let

1271
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 11: it happened. Then they're telling you what your life's going

1272
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 11: to be. And you know, I never accepted what people

1273
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 11: said my life's going to be. I was not going

1274
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 11: to let this injury define me. I was going to

1275
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 11: define it. And I want to show my son that

1276
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 11: dad was not going to give up. I wasn't gonna

1277
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 11: want it. I want to be one of those people

1278
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 11: that sit in a chair, stare out and curse the world.

1279
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 6: Yes, why me?

1280
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 11: I was like, I'm not teaching my three year old

1281
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 11: son at the time anything, And I really wanted to

1282
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 11: show those that's little bees.

1283
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 7: I left that bomb that.

1284
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 11: They weren't going to ruin my life.

1285
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 6: I love that.

1286
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 11: And two months after, you know, they gave me that

1287
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 11: grim diagnosi. You know, I left that hospital walking and

1288
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 11: breathing my own.

1289
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: And this promise, this original promise to your dad, extended

1290
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: to your children. Obviously, your children and the thought about

1291
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: staying alive for them got you through all of this,

1292
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: all through the rehabilitation you went through, and I'm sure

1293
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: it was extensive, and then to the rest of your

1294
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: service members by being such a strong, you know, willed

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Speaker 1: individual and someone who's gonna to meet the challenges you

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Speaker 1: were facing and live up to your promises. That obviously

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Speaker 1: went a long way. You were the one that helped

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Speaker 1: created the Air Force Wounded Warrior program. H And also,

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Speaker 1: and I got to ask you about this because you know,

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Speaker 1: we're almost at a time. You were the first one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent disabled veteran to re enlist in the Air Force.

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Speaker 1: What does it mean to be one hundred percent disabled?

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01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: Because honestly, sir, you don't sound like a disabled individual

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Speaker 1: talking on the phone.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, people, when I was walking on my

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01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 11: recovery view, I was like, do you be able to do?

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01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 11: I was like, I want to continue, I want to

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Speaker 11: still served, And like why, I was like, you can

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Speaker 11: make a lot of money, you know, as in the

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Speaker 11: civilian world as a public speaker, which you're right, some

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Speaker 11: public speakers make like six fingers for forty five minutes

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Speaker 11: to an hour speech, you know, not saying I'm there.

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Speaker 6: You know, I get it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, But I was like, there's there's so many people

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Speaker 11: out there and make so much money and hate their job.

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Speaker 11: So why am I going to give up a job

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Speaker 11: that I love. I love serving my country, I love

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Speaker 11: being the Air Force, I love being an operator, So

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Speaker 11: why am I going to give that for a couple

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Speaker 11: of bucks? And yeah, a five years. But yeah, in

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Speaker 11: February of to Dunton, that's when I became the first

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Speaker 11: one hundred percent disabled to enlist.

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Speaker 1: That is amazing, And in what capacity are you serving now?

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Speaker 11: So I when I went back in for five years,

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01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 11: I was an instructor. As much as I wanted to

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Speaker 11: be an operator, to be out down range, I couldn't

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Speaker 11: unless we become like Star Wars and I get a

1328
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 11: cool like Luke Skywalker. Hen I used that Jedi Minjergun

1329
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 11: people were not there, but I knew I can instruct.

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Speaker 11: So I did that for five years, and then I

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Speaker 11: started excelling in para sports. Where and I went. The

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Speaker 11: pcasked me the Colorado Springs to the Olympic Training Center,

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Speaker 11: train there for the Paralympics. Then after that, in twenty seventeen,

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01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 11: I went to the Air Force Academy, talked of that's

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01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 11: how to skydive and I retired August twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: That is truly amazing. My guest today Israel DT del Toro, Junior,

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Speaker 1: return hired from the America's military only to re enlists error.

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Speaker 6: For Senior Masters Sergeant.

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Speaker 1: The Inspirational Book A Patriot's Promise protecting my brothers, protecting

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Speaker 1: my life and keeping my words. You know, And I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to my listeners now, DT. You think you got

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01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: a bad Listen to what this man went through. Listen

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Speaker 1: to the challenges and the hurdles he overcame, and the

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Speaker 1: commitment to continue to serve God Bless you, sir. It

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01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: has been a distinct pleasure. Keep up the great work.

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Speaker 1: My listeners are going to buy your book and they're

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01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: going to share it with their friends and also become inspired.

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01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: And next time they're starting to feel sorry for themselves,

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Speaker 1: they can remember you, DT.

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Speaker 11: Thank you, Thank you, sir, Thank you for having me

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Speaker 11: on here, and thank you for letting me speak about

1352
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 11: you know, pretty much a twelve year old kid just

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01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 11: trying to honor his dad.

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Speaker 1: What an amazing story, truly inspirational. Thank you, sir for

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Speaker 1: your time and for writing the book, and keep up

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Speaker 1: the great work. Local author Rick Pender he's returning here

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Speaker 1: to the fifty five KRSE morning shows. A Cincinnati historian, journalist, author,

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Speaker 1: and tour guide. We're gonna get a little insight into that.

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Speaker 1: He moved to Southwest Ohio back in nineteen eighty. He's

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Speaker 1: been here ever since. He wrote a book and we've

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Speaker 1: talked about this one before, one hundred Things to Do

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati Before You Die. And he has a second

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Speaker 1: issue in a doubt edition of that out. First one

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Speaker 1: was published in twenty sixteen and then I think it

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Speaker 1: was twenty or twenty nineteen or twenty twenty put another

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Speaker 1: one out so you can get that one as well.

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Speaker 1: And I last Joe put a link of it on

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Speaker 1: it today. But we're going to talk today about his

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Speaker 1: new book, Oldest Cincinnati. Rick Pender, Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: fifty five Krsey Morning Show. Hope you're well.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Brian, it's great to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you moved in I don't know how old you are,

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Speaker 1: but you moved here to from northeast Ohio back in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. As I mentioned there in the intro. You know,

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Speaker 1: I lived here my whole life until I moved to

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Speaker 1: Chicago back after law school in nineteen ninety And when

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Speaker 1: we moved back in ninety eight to Cincinnati, it was

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Speaker 1: only at that time did I really wake up just

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Speaker 1: how great we've got it here in spite of we

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Speaker 1: have troubles like every city, but what an amazing city.

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Speaker 1: Actually go to events you can afford to go. There

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Speaker 1: are tickets available to things that you want to go to,

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Speaker 1: and loads and loads of history and we're just blessed

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Speaker 1: to be here. And I'm sure you feel the same way.

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Speaker 2: That's for sure. That's very much what inspired this book.

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Speaker 12: I did those books called A Hundred Things to Do

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Speaker 12: in Cincinnati. In fact, I have a third edition coming

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Speaker 12: out next month. So the pandemic changed a lot of

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Speaker 12: stuff that I had in the second edition, so it

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Speaker 12: was time to update that and that'll be out next month.

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Speaker 1: Well, Rick, you'll have to come back on the fifty

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Speaker 1: five care seemore you should talk about the new edition

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Speaker 1: on that one.

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Speaker 2: I'd be happy to do that.

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Speaker 12: But let me tell you it was in part doing

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Speaker 12: those books and also living in a couple of historic

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Speaker 12: neighborhoods here in town that really lit my fuse on.

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Speaker 2: Finding out more about our history.

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Speaker 12: And have had so many of the things that we

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Speaker 12: have here that are the oldest things in town that

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Speaker 12: are still around, some of which were some of the

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Speaker 12: first things in the US. A few of them were

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Speaker 12: first things, and you know this part of the world.

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Speaker 12: So it was great fun to put this book together

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Speaker 12: and it was my it.

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Speaker 2: Was my pandemic project.

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Speaker 12: Most of twenty twenty I spent researching and getting this

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Speaker 12: book pulled together.

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Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what I pivoting to your being

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Speaker 1: a tour guide. One of the neat things about Over

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Speaker 1: the Rhine. Of course, we talked to Heinrich Toltzmann Hair

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Speaker 1: Toltzman a lot on our German history specifically, but it's

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Speaker 1: the beer history there. I did the beer tour and

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Speaker 1: got to go in the old caves down below the

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Speaker 1: city streets and just absolutely fascinating. And since we are

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Speaker 1: currently going through almost what is legitimately a beer renaissance,

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Speaker 1: kind of turning back to where we were in Over

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Speaker 1: the Rhine with a beer a micro brewery at every corner.

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Speaker 1: But some really neat historic things in Over the Rhine,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure.

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Speaker 12: And you know, a lot of those places where beer

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Speaker 12: is being brewed now in Over the Rhine are places

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Speaker 12: where it was brewed century and a half ago, so

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Speaker 12: there is.

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Speaker 2: That history there.

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Speaker 12: I'm on the board of the Friends of Music Hall

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Speaker 12: and we've started doing occasional beer tours at music Hall.

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Speaker 12: We do it with the Rheinegeist folks and people get

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Speaker 12: to nose around and see some of the interesting insides

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Speaker 12: of music hall that was built back in the mid

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Speaker 12: to late nineteenth century. And so yeah, and beer in

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Speaker 12: music hall sort of go hand in hand.

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Speaker 1: Will you anticipated where I was going with that one,

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Speaker 1: because I was going to pivot over to your the

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Speaker 1: since a May festival, which the German immigrants established, was

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Speaker 1: what ultimately resulted in the building of music halls, I

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Speaker 1: understand it.

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely right.

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Speaker 12: They were performing originally in the very early eighteen seventies

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Speaker 12: in a wooden building that had a kind of a

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Speaker 12: rickety roof on it, and during one of the first

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Speaker 12: May festivals there was a thunderstorm. It was so loud

1443
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 12: that it drowned out the chorus. So a man named

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01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 12: Reuben Springer was there and he said, all right, we

1445
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 12: got to do a better job with this, and he

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01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 12: put up five hundred thousand dollars, which was a lot

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Speaker 12: of money in the eighteen seventies, and said that if

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Speaker 12: the city would raise some money to match some of that,

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01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 12: then he would be able to help fund a new

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01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 12: music hall. And that's really where it all got started.

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01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 12: Music Hall opened up in eighteen seventy eight. Of course,

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01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 12: we did a big, beautiful renovation of it about five

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01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 12: years ago, but it's still a wonderful historic place to visit.

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Speaker 6: It sure is.

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Speaker 1: And Dayton may claim that the birthplace of aviation, but

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Speaker 1: we here in the Greater Cincinnati area are the birthplace

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Speaker 1: of American astronomy.

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Speaker 12: That's right, that's right. Our observatory really started life up

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01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 12: on top of Mount Adams's was an hect it's named

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Speaker 12: for John Quincy Adams.

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Speaker 2: Mount Adams is.

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Speaker 12: Because he came here to dedicate the observatory in the

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01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 12: first telescope. But after about thirty years there in Mount

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Speaker 12: Adams in the nineteenth century, with coal burning and all

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01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 12: of that sort of thing, there was so much smog

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01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 12: around downtown that it wasn't very very good for observing

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01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 12: the night sky. So at that point they said we're

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01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 12: going to move out to the suburbs. They went out

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01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:28,759
Speaker 12: to Mount Lookout. Of course wasn't out then because didn't

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01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 12: have an observatory. But in eighteen seventy five the observatory

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Speaker 12: that we all know and love out there on Observatory

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Speaker 12: Avenue started. That's got one of the oldest telescopes in

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Speaker 12: the United States, and it was really the first public

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Speaker 12: observatory in the western hemisphere, so you know, it has

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Speaker 12: a great history. The other interesting thing about that is

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01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 12: that the fellow who was the first the first astronomer there,

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01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 12: I mean in Cleveland, started collecting weather information and eventually

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Speaker 12: he went to Washington, d c. And started the US

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Speaker 12: Weather Service. So again another really fascinating piece of history

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01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 12: that comes right out of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: The first meteorologist came from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned that the telescope it's still in operation.

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Speaker 1: It was, it's from eighteen forty three, that's right.

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01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's a classic.

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01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 12: It's not, you know, not the power that some of

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01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 12: our current telescopes are. No, but it's a kick that

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01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 12: it's still there and still works. And you know, they've

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01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 12: got a couple of nights a week when the sky

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01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 12: is clear and folks can drop by.

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Speaker 2: And take a look at the moon or some of

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Speaker 2: the planets.

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Speaker 1: That is so cool. Rick Pender, you would I have

1494
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Speaker 1: to ask you. Since the book name of the book

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Speaker 1: is Oldest Cincinnati, and my listeners can get a copy

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01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 1: of it at fifty five care sea dot com. Joe's

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01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: going to update the blog page to put a link

1498
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: there and we'll get the information about your book signing,

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01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: which is coming up to what's the oldest thing that

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01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: you have in your book? I have to asked that

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01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a spoiler on this rick,

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01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: but we well.

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01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 2: Know that's all right.

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01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 12: The oldest thing that I talk about are some highways

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01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 12: in northern Kentucky. Now that may not make sense, but

1506
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 12: let me explain. There used to be buffalo that roamed

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01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 12: on the plains in central Ohio, and as the winter

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01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 12: weather came upon them, they migrated south, sort of like

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01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 12: our birds do today. They came down this way, they

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01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,919
Speaker 12: crossed the river where the Licking and the Ohio meet

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01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 12: because it got very shallow that time of year, and

1512
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 12: then they pounded their way on down into Kentucky and

1513
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 12: created what we call today buffalo roads. And many of

1514
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 12: those are the highways that are still there. Dixie Highway

1515
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 12: is one of those roads. You know, that's US twenty seven,

1516
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 12: So you know there are all these pathways through northern

1517
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 12: Kentucky that those buffalo made. I like to say they

1518
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 12: were our first traffic engineers. And that was about ten

1519
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,839
Speaker 12: thousand years ago that that was happening. That's the oldest

1520
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 12: that I have.

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01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 2: In the book.

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01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 1: Well, and I want to ask you, obviously subjective, everybody's

1523
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: got their own favorite thing, but what's your favorite place?

1524
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: That the place that you never get tired of? For me, like,

1525
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: for example, Crone Conservatory has a warm place in my heart.

1526
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: My parents took me there. My mom took me there

1527
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid. It always fascinated me,

1528
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 1: you know, the plans and the way it just feels

1529
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: when you're in walking around. So I could go there

1530
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: probably every day of the week and never get tired

1531
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: of it. Is there something in your book or books

1532
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: that you could gravitate to and feel that way about?

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01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 13: Specifically, Rick, I'll tell you I live right in downtown

1534
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 13: Cincinnati in a condo on the banks of the Ohio River,

1535
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 13: and I can look out my window and see the

1536
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 13: Suspension Bridge.

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01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's it, you know.

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01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 12: I mean everybody sees it, knows it. But it has

1539
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 12: a great history and it is something that I like

1540
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 12: to think of as it really is the what part

1541
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 12: of what binds northern Kentucky and Cincinnati together. And we've

1542
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,799
Speaker 12: got lots of shared His Street between between those areas,

1543
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 12: but that it is a beautiful piece of architecture. It

1544
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 12: is great has great history. You know, it was built.

1545
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 12: When it was originally built, it was also a foot

1546
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 12: bridge and a carriage bridge, and people paid a couple

1547
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 12: of pennies to walk across it. When it opened in

1548
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 12: eighteen sixty six, a couple like more than one hundred

1549
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 12: thousand people walked across it in the first couple of

1550
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:27,799
Speaker 12: days that it was open. So if the biggest traction

1551
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 12: then and it still.

1552
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: Is today, and it is beautiful, there's no question about it.

1553
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: You're going to do a book signing tonight. Tell my

1554
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: listeners the details on that one, because I know you're

1555
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: going to have a lot of people that want to

1556
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: get a copy of Oldest Cincinnati.

1557
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks. I'm going to be at the Reading Library.

1558
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 12: It's at eighty seven forty Reading Road at six thirty

1559
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 12: this evening, and I've picked out about fifteen things from

1560
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 12: my book. There are there are ninety items pulled together

1561
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 12: in this book, but I'm going.

1562
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 2: To talk about fifteen or so of them.

1563
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 12: I'll talk for thirty five forty minutes and then be

1564
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 12: happy to answer questions, and I'll have books there if

1565
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 12: people are interested.

1566
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 2: In buying them.

1567
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 1: Rick Pender, local author his latest book, Oldest Cincinnati. We'll

1568
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: have Rick back on when he gets this third edition

1569
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: of Wondering Things to Do in Cincinnati Before you Die. Rick,

1570
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: always a pleasure keep writing the good stuff about the

1571
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: city that we both love and listeners get under the

1572
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: Reading Branch library. This evening six thirty, Joe Streckel will

1573
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: put all the information on my blog page, Rick, so

1574
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: they can easily go to fifty five Caresee dot com

1575
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: and get that as well as a copy of your book.

1576
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: That's great, Thanks so much, thank.

1577
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 1: You for documenting Cincinnati's glorious history. Rick Pender will have

1578
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: you on again real soon. The return of here Don

1579
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: Heinrich Toltzman, Are I like to joke Resident German expert

1580
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: and historian on things German? Don Toltsman, welcome back to

1581
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: the fifty five Carceme morning showing a very happy new

1582
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 1: year to you, my.

1583
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 14: Friend Guten Morgan, Guten Morgan and Brian. It was really

1584
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 14: good to talk to you, and I want to wish

1585
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 14: you a happy new year and I hope we can

1586
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 14: get together at a German festival this year and enjoy

1587
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 14: some good German beer together.

1588
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: Is there any doubt in your mind that that's going

1589
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: to happen to come on. Man, I'm already looking forward

1590
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: to I got my notice the other day about shoots Infest.

1591
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: They said, keep the date open. Here's the shoots Infest date.

1592
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: I can't say it off the top of my head

1593
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: because I got to remember it, but I know that

1594
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: one's coming and I always enjoy that. And of course

1595
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 1: all the spring fall and winter celebrations, the Christmas celebration,

1596
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 1: everything with the German clubs. It's just it is a

1597
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: great time. They are a great group of people.

1598
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 6: They are.

1599
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: And so you got a second edition of your book.

1600
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: It's called The Robling Suspension Bridge, A Guide to Historic Sites,

1601
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 1: People and Places, second edition by my guest Harr Toltzman.

1602
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: What's different about this? First off, when did the first

1603
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: edition come out? I know it's been published for a while.

1604
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: And what prompted you to do the second.

1605
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 14: Well, it came out. First edition came out in twenty seventeen,

1606
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 14: and the reason it came out was that was one

1607
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 14: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Robling Suspension Bridge and

1608
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 14: there was a Robling Fest that we had here in Coverington.

1609
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 14: It was sponsored by the Covington Cincinnati Suspension Bridge Committee

1610
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 14: of which I'm a historian, So I brought out that

1611
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 14: book for that occasion, and we had a big event

1612
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 14: and celebration at that time, and as a matter of fact,

1613
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 14: Chris Robling, a great great grandson of John Robling, was here,

1614
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 14: so we've got a chance to meet him. And since

1615
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 14: that time, I continue to do research on Robling and

1616
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 14: the Bridge and collected a lot more information and really

1617
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 14: double the size of the first edition. So I thought

1618
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 14: it'd be a good idea to bring out this this

1619
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 14: new edition because I, you know, had collected so much.

1620
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 14: And also I responded to so many questions that I

1621
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 14: get about Robling in the Bridge, and so I wanted

1622
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 14: to respond to them. And I should say too that

1623
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 14: much of what has been written about Robling understandably focuses

1624
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 14: on the Brooklyn Bridge, not our bridge.

1625
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

1626
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 14: And also what has written been written about him is

1627
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 14: mostly based on second hand sources rather than people who

1628
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 14: knew him personally. And what I tried to do is

1629
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 14: to get to want to I want to get the sources,

1630
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 14: uh or find one of somebody who knew him. And

1631
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 14: also I did research in local archives such as the

1632
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 14: Cincinnati History Library at the Union Terminal, but the one

1633
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 14: archive that was especially important for me is that was

1634
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 14: the Robling Collection, which is at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

1635
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 14: in New York. And this is this is the collection

1636
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 14: of Roebling's own records of his bridges, of his notes,

1637
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 14: his plans, diaries, and so on. So what I put

1638
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 14: together here in the second edition really is it's a

1639
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 14: gold mine of information about our bridge and Robley. It's

1640
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:22,959
Speaker 14: like an Encyclopedia handbook about Roby and the bridge.

1641
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 1: I guess I'm always wildly curious when you think about

1642
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,759
Speaker 1: the technology that existed when this bridge opened in eighteen

1643
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 1: sixty seven, and that was the bridge formal opening and

1644
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: celebration day, So it took a while to build this,

1645
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: and you probably know exactly how long it did. But

1646
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 1: getting those footings in a moving river to start a bridge,

1647
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 1: and I just I'm not an engineer, so I don't

1648
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 1: get it. It's like the peace of God. But doing

1649
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 1: it now with modern technology, I imagine, is a damn

1650
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: sight easier than doing it back in the eighteen hundreds.

1651
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 1: I guess he was a trained engineer, and how did

1652
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: he learn how to build bridges?

1653
01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 6: Generally?

1654
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 14: Well, he has studied engineering in Berlin at a polytechnical institute.

1655
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 14: There he had studied engineering, and when he came here,

1656
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,879
Speaker 14: he moved to a town near Pittsburgh, and he started

1657
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 14: working with road construction aqueducts, and then he got into

1658
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 14: bridge building, and by the time he had gotten to

1659
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,600
Speaker 14: our area, he had already constructed a number of aqueducts

1660
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 14: and bridges. And one thing is interesting that he spent

1661
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 14: more time in our area than in any other area

1662
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 14: working on the bridge. He first came here in eighteen

1663
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 14: forty six to survey the area and his first proposal

1664
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 14: was for one tower in the middle of the river,

1665
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 14: and nobody liked it and that was rejected. So he

1666
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 14: was back then in eighteen fifty six with the current

1667
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 14: plan for Tutaw and he started working in eighteen fifty six,

1668
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:08,799
Speaker 14: but because of a financial panic, the work was halted,

1669
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,600
Speaker 14: so he came back in eighteen sixty three. Then the

1670
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 14: bridge was dedicated finally in eighteen sixty seven. So over

1671
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 14: a period of twenty years, Roebling had been in our area,

1672
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 14: which was much more than any other area. So it's

1673
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 14: really there's a lot of fascinating things to tell him

1674
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:31,679
Speaker 14: about him, and that's what I tried to uncover and

1675
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 14: some of the questions I get, like where did he

1676
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 14: stay when he was here? So I located places where

1677
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 14: he stayed in Covington and where his son stayed. And

1678
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 14: also one thing that I was really happy to find

1679
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 14: in going through some German language materials here I found

1680
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 14: in the writings of Heinrich rodernand he was a local historian.

1681
01:25:55,800 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 14: He actually met and got to know Robling and he

1682
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 14: met him over the rhine because in the evenings Roblin

1683
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 14: would like to come across the river and go to

1684
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 14: some of the beer gardens here.

1685
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: Can you believe that no, no one likes doing that. Well,

1686
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 1: that was OTR was party central, for if you wanted

1687
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 1: to get beer, can have a good time, that was

1688
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: where you went. I imagine those days exactly.

1689
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 14: So he came over here and Roderman got to know him.

1690
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 14: And what I liked about this report that I found

1691
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 14: up was and it was in German. And I can

1692
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 14: understand that it has never been cited elsewhere because other

1693
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 14: historians have not focused on our Bridge and especially anything

1694
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 14: in German. But Roderman wrote about what he was like

1695
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 14: and how sociable he was, how talkative he was, how

1696
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 14: he liked to talk about the bridge, and at that time,

1697
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 14: some people were very doubtful about building a suspension bridge.

1698
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 14: They doubted it would be strong enough and durable enough

1699
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:09,719
Speaker 14: to withstand the pressure of the loads, and he convinced

1700
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 14: a lot of people of its durability and encourage people

1701
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 14: to invest in the bridge. So it's interesting he liked

1702
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 14: to talk a lot about philosophy because when he was

1703
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 14: in Berlin he studied under Hegel, the German philosopher, and

1704
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 14: he was very interested in philosophical topics and he was

1705
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 14: really a renaissance person and a genius. And so I

1706
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:42,759
Speaker 14: really like getting a close up picture that i've of Roderman.

1707
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 14: What do he looked and also what did he look

1708
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 14: like physically? Well, he was a very imposing person. He

1709
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 14: was very animated, and Roderman goes into describing that, and

1710
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 14: so what I tried, I think this will provide a

1711
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 14: close picture of what Robling was like as a person

1712
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 14: personality and physically what did he look like?

1713
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 4: I mean, just so.

1714
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 14: That's just other things that I did find too from

1715
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 14: the Robling collection. I even located Roebling's memo book, an

1716
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:21,799
Speaker 14: address book where he he wrote down addresses of people

1717
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 14: here in our area, and then he'd write comments about people.

1718
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 14: So it's kind of an insight sent Yeah, what he

1719
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 14: thought about people?

1720
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 9: About that.

1721
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 1: Let's see, everybody's asking you about what the you know,

1722
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 1: what was Robling like? And he's going around writing down

1723
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Speaker 1: what he thinks of other you know, probably somewhat famous

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Speaker 1: people or people known to the region.

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Speaker 6: Fascinating account.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're able to stumble across those archives that

1727
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: hadn't been looked into anymore, harr Toltzman. The name of

1728
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Speaker 1: the book again is the Robling Suspension Bridge, A Guide

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Speaker 1: to Historic Sites, People in Places, second edition. With all

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01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: this new wealth of information about John Robling and his

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01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: family and the other construction projects he was on real

1732
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: quick before he parted company because we have to you said,

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01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: he got people to invest in it. Was this like

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Speaker 1: a public works project that he was retained to do.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any idea how this bridge would get

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01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 1: built back then. I mean, did did they solicit it

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01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 1: out for bid? Did the city go looking for someone

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01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:17,759
Speaker 1: to build it? Was this his idea? Real briefly, don Well.

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01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 14: It was a private corporation, a company called the Covington

1740
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 14: Cincinnati Bridge Company, that was incorporated in eighteen forty six. Okay, so,

1741
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 14: and that company owned the bridge actually up until nineteen

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01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 14: fifty three when it was sold to the state of Kentucky.

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01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 14: So the company contracted with Robling to build the bridge. See,

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01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 14: so they needed to enlist investors in the company. And

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01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 14: this is another interesting.

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Speaker 6: Thing I got, Don.

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01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we're at a time and I don't want

1748
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: to get the Harry eyeball from Joe. Just had get

1749
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 1: the book, folks. Joe Strecker is going to add to

1750
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: my blow page so people can easily get a copy

1751
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 1: of it. Don Tolsman, It's always great talking with you,

1752
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: and yes, I will be drinking a beer with you

1753
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 1: at one of the German fests this year. God bless you, sir,

1754
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: and a very happy New Year and best to health

1755
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,640
Speaker 1: you in your family. My friend Tamara Leech, she's got

1756
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: a new book, Hold the Line, My story from the

1757
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,799
Speaker 1: heart of the Freedom Convoy passion an organizer, mother, grandmother,

1758
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: no loving when she is defiant, political prisoner, self described

1759
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: and jailed for daring to criticize the Canadian government and

1760
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: in fact maybe facing ten years in prison. Welcome to

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01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: the program, Tamara Leech, to talk about your book. Hold

1762
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,679
Speaker 1: the line, my whoops, hold the line, my story from

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01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 1: the I lost my I'm sorry, ma'am, my page, my

1764
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: page disappeared in front of me. Anyway, it's the Canadian

1765
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:47,759
Speaker 1: Trucker Story.

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Speaker 6: I'll bring it back up.

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01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, this dominated the news here in the United

1768
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: States for quite a while. Marshall Law got declared over

1769
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: vaccine mandates. Remind my listeners the whole setup and how

1770
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: you became the face of and the target for this

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01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 1: amazing protest that took place in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 10: Well, good morning, Brian, and thank you so much for

1773
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 10: having me. Yes, the book is called Voldem My Story

1774
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 10: from the Heart of the Freedom Convoy, and basically it

1775
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:20,759
Speaker 10: all cod The COVID pandemic here in Canada is pretty

1776
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 10: dark times and I was watching you know, a lot

1777
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 10: of my sons and family their their families were brobibing.

1778
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 10: You know, we were only we weren't able to say

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Speaker 10: goodbye to our love believe in long tan tail hands

1780
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 10: of you know, it's just so darth and depression. And

1781
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 10: as the rest of the world started opening us, you know,

1782
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 10: split towards the end of the pandemic, Canada our prime

1783
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 10: ministers to be inposed harsen harscale assistance. And it just

1784
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 10: got to a point when they when we declared the

1785
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Speaker 10: truck for mandate for the cross order any checkers and

1786
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 10: that wasn't us. A small baby less got together and

1787
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 10: decided he had to do something. And the raftic history

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Speaker 10: it is.

1789
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Speaker 1: And honestly, your protests and everything you stood for and

1790
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: still stand for, he turned. It turned out you're on

1791
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 1: the right side of the ledger on all this. I mean,

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01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 1: we were sold to bill of goods on these vaccines,

1793
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 1: multiple jabs, you know, get another one, get a booster jab,

1794
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: get four of them a year. You can't have a

1795
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: job unless you've been you've gotten the jab. It's your

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01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: duty as a you know, a citizen of Canada or

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01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 1: the United States, is the case, maybe to protect your

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01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:33,759
Speaker 1: fellow man against the spread of COVID. It never stopped

1799
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: the spread of COVID. It didn't stop people from getting COVID.

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01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 1: And now all these vaccine mandates have been retracted or

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01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: otherwise thrown out as a matter of law. What was

1802
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: Trudeau thinking? Was this all about a power grab? And

1803
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 1: how in God's name does a vaccine relate to truckers

1804
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: doing their job.

1805
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 10: You know, it was ridiculous. Our planets there is a

1806
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 10: puppulent file basically, and when he does think did it

1807
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 10: his own way, he bumped his feet and start calling name.

1808
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 10: He's been bastly what he did. And then he came

1809
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 10: right out of the gate calling us racists and he

1810
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 10: liked the gumicists and terrorists. You know, it's ridiculous, I

1811
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 10: said in my testimony when I when I was at

1812
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 10: the inquiry in the fall. You know, when you're the

1813
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 10: leader of a country, you don't get to pick and

1814
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 10: cheerity you needed. You have responsibility to put everyone, whether

1815
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 10: they believe the same ideology that they were not. So

1816
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 10: you know, we're I mean, he's a drama teacher. He

1817
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 10: was a part time drama teacher, a snowboard instructor. So

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01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 10: you know, I don't I don't know what else we

1819
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 10: can't expect, but you know it the emergency Bascinat, he

1820
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 10: invoked it. The border had been peered, all of them,

1821
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 10: they tim extend the blockaded you know winter and seat

1822
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 10: of course I'm on the field. They that had already

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01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 10: been cleared. And at one of the cyteria for invoking

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01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 10: the emergency vaccis then has to be a threat to

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Speaker 10: national security. So it wasn't the threat to national security.

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Speaker 10: And you were in Ottawa, so you know, none of

1827
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 10: the stuff that he did in made sense if those

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01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 10: the bank account the Canadians without arliamentary oversight, no point

1829
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Speaker 10: order from a judge, and that shit aligne every dady,

1830
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 10: everybody in the world, because if baysn do it in

1831
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 10: Canada like the most peafault polite, you know, country on

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01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 10: the planet, basically make you do it anyway. And and

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01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 10: that's parifying, you know. And he had mom stuck at

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01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 10: glas Counters that could he pay for the groceries they

1835
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 10: had to leave them Marior.

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01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 5: You know how.

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Speaker 10: Embarrassfing that is? Its famine, that couldn't buy meditation fit

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01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 10: their children? Uh? People, could he paid in more of

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01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 10: the cares that could he create their child support?

1840
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 3: You know? It was It was terrible and.

1841
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,879
Speaker 1: No part of the Yeah, okay, So they ignored parliament

1842
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: much in the same way that you know, executive orders

1843
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 1: here in the United States ignore the powers of Congress like,

1844
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: for example, powers of person and the legislative branch in lawmaking.

1845
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

1846
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 1: And the idea that they were able to seal bank

1847
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: accounts without due process, denying people access to their own

1848
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: property based upon their refusal to get a vaccine. That

1849
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 1: we even lived through this period of time is mind blowing.

1850
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 1: Tell my listeners what is the rule low commission findings?

1851
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 1: What are those about? Because I'm I'm not familiar with

1852
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 1: that myself, Tamera, Yes.

1853
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:21,799
Speaker 10: Well, the Relow Commission was the Public Order Emergit Conmission.

1854
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:25,600
Speaker 10: Basically the inquiry any kind of thing invoked the EMERGIP

1855
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 10: vac in Canada. Well, that was the first time that

1856
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 10: they have to have an inquiry. It's it's law, it's legislation,

1857
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 10: and so they had this inquiry into in any indication

1858
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 10: of the Act. And basically what the commission came out

1859
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 10: and said was that government and competence is now the

1860
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:47,600
Speaker 10: main bar for evoth the EMERGIP doc. He said that

1861
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 10: he agreed that they did the right thing, even though

1862
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 10: none of the criteria for invoking the act.

1863
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 7: It's net.

1864
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 10: This tells me that Number one, I'll charter of writing

1865
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:01,679
Speaker 10: freedom the emergency as legislation, we aren't most the pay

1866
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 10: for the written on if he could just tossed him out.

1867
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:07,600
Speaker 10: There was no sabotlaus, there was no spionage there was

1868
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 10: no national security. It was nonsense. And what it was was,

1869
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 10: you know, he embarrassed themselves. He embarrassed himself and he

1870
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 10: bat he falls into a corner. And yet me tell you,

1871
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 10: our Prime Minister is the swamping it, the bit to

1872
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:26,599
Speaker 10: use the and the beginning of COVID at the beginning

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01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:29,519
Speaker 10: of the pandemic. He has signed it. He has signedy

1874
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 10: in bulk again so that he can expend the itever

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01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 10: he wanted to be on the condemnic without you know,

1876
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 10: any any parliamentary oversight again the data in the House

1877
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 10: of Commons.

1878
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 7: And for my.

1879
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 1: American friends who are listening here in the Tri State area,

1880
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 1: let me just remind folks about martial law declarations, which

1881
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 1: is exactly the kind of thing we're talking about. Nobody

1882
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 1: salivates over invoking martial law more than people want to

1883
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:53,560
Speaker 1: control every element of our lives. And suspending our Constitution

1884
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 1: and our Fourth Amendment rights and our First and Second

1885
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 1: Amendment rights is of course all in line with a

1886
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 1: martial law declaration. You've lived through this, you're also still

1887
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:06,719
Speaker 1: facing trial. What are the charges that have been levied

1888
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 1: against you?

1889
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 6: Tamera?

1890
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 1: And and uh it sounds to me like you have

1891
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 1: a wonderfully defensible case. But what are they What are

1892
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 1: they charging you with? Or have they charged you with?

1893
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 10: Mixtif mischief makes difference? So you missed yes, like which

1894
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 10: I'm not sure what you're looking in mog and life

1895
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 10: in the United States, But in Canada, a midsgift charge

1896
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 10: would be extended spray painting graffiti on the side of

1897
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 10: a wall. You know. It's well, So I've been charge

1898
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:36,440
Speaker 10: of missiff counseling to submit missif intimidation and counseling intimidation,

1899
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 10: which is quite funny because I'm only five feet falling

1900
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 10: about one hundred and fifty pounds. I don't I don't

1901
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 10: consider myself very intimidating. You know, It's just nonsense. It's

1902
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 10: all nonsense. And so he wants ten years in jail.

1903
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 10: So it's Cliff Barbara and I were a cull of

1904
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 10: key ten years in jale for that, Nita Quick Barber. No,

1905
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,599
Speaker 10: I have a pentemal elector and he has no history

1906
01:37:58,640 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 10: in violence.

1907
01:37:59,680 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 5: Uh.

1908
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 10: I've never even been in facebook Gale before, so you know,

1909
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 10: and we have a very over either and emotionally invested

1910
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 10: sound prosecutor, which is literally is quite horrifying. To even say,

1911
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 10: you know, his job is simply to uphold the Vidion law,

1912
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 10: but he is been big base and beneful and this

1913
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 10: is more like a perfeccession.

1914
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: Well, I'm certain it does. And it sounds to me

1915
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 1: like one of your defenses, if they is that they

1916
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 1: trod upon the rule of law in order to bring

1917
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:31,760
Speaker 1: about a charge against you and so many other people

1918
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: that were involved in these protests.

1919
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's over leaps at uh

1920
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 10: at the highest level, and it's big, clatly bitous. I

1921
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 10: mean a catab in their racist similarers get treated better

1922
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 10: than fifth than I. And you know our child starts

1923
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,519
Speaker 10: to kindle the fifth and it wraps up in the

1924
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 10: middle of October for mich gift.

1925
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 5: You know, mother stuy's a lot that long.

1926
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 6: I know, No, they don't.

1927
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 1: And honestly, I am a litigation at t anybody trade,

1928
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 1: not a criminal h I wasn't ever practitioner criminal law.

1929
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: But you know, in American jurisprudence, the idea that you

1930
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 1: could be charged with something as absurd sounding as mischief

1931
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 1: is seemingly a laughable thing. And we do have a

1932
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 1: First Amendment and right to free speech and you know,

1933
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 1: quite often free free speech can be deemed by at

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Speaker 1: least some subjectively as mischievous. That's what I get paid

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Speaker 1: to do, Tamera, is be mischievous on the radio. Here lord,

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Speaker 1: that's right, Hold the line.

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Speaker 6: The name of the book, Hold the line, go ahead?

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Speaker 10: Oh sorry, I think they say. And the thing, as

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Speaker 10: you know, I was being lives in videos all the time,

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Speaker 10: continularly advocating to each expecting our police officers, be expecting

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Speaker 10: your rule of law. So yeah, it's it's nonsense.

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Speaker 6: Well we always you the best.

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Speaker 1: Is there a sort of a legal defense fund that

1944
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Speaker 1: you are that people can can make contributions to, or

1945
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Speaker 1: maybe perhaps that's maybe is buying a copy of a

1946
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Speaker 1: Hold the Line My story from the heart of the

1947
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Speaker 1: Freedom Convoy as a mechanism of helping you defend yourself

1948
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Speaker 1: because no one knows more than me how expensive litigation is.

1949
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Speaker 1: And of course, when your life and your freedom and

1950
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Speaker 1: liberty are on the line, it's very important you have

1951
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Speaker 1: a good legal defense on your side.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, there, yeah, And it's sssly because you know,

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Speaker 10: this case is goes I'll come about trial is going

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Speaker 10: to affect all Canadians. Yes, you know, going forward you know,

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Speaker 10: and we have a right to see and I'm so

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Speaker 10: must see that. I've got an organization that's taught me

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Speaker 10: fund my defense. They called the Democracy Fund here in Canada,

1958
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Speaker 10: and there a terrible organization and donation day, the Democraphy

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Speaker 10: Direct Democracy Fund dot G. And yeah, so you've got

1960
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Speaker 10: a We've got a long, good ahead of us, and

1961
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Speaker 10: you're right, and it is not cheap. And I've got

1962
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Speaker 10: a great player and got a great team. So yeah,

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Speaker 10: I'm looking forward to my dand court.

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Speaker 1: The Democracyfund dot CAA obviously for Canada if you want

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Speaker 1: to help her out, and of course, get a copy

1966
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Speaker 1: of the book. It's important that we keep in touch

1967
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Speaker 1: and stay in touch with this and I will definitely

1968
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Speaker 1: be following what happens you at trial. Tamara Leech my

1969
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Speaker 1: guest today. Get a copy of the book at fifty

1970
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Speaker 1: five care Sea dot com. Hold the line my story

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Speaker 1: from the heart of the Freedom Convoy, Tamara, keep up

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Speaker 1: the great work.

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Speaker 6: My next guest. You know her, I'm sure you do.

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Speaker 6: My listeners do.

1975
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Speaker 1: Carrie Lake, she just read a book and it's just

1976
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Speaker 1: been released. Unafraid, just getting started. Daughter of a teacher

1977
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Speaker 1: and a nurse. She grew up in Iowa next to

1978
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Speaker 1: her eight siblings, learned the value of a hard day's work,

1979
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Speaker 1: which is so important. She pursued a career in the

1980
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Speaker 1: news industry, where she'd become a symbol of truth in journalism.

1981
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Speaker 1: She was rejected the agenda driven press, walking away from

1982
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Speaker 1: the mainstream media after a highly successful twenty seven year career. Thereafter,

1983
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, she ran for governor of Arizona,

1984
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Speaker 1: got the endorsement of President Donald J. Trump, and earned

1985
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Speaker 1: a moniker that I'm sure she wears with great pride,

1986
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Speaker 1: the most dangerous politician in America. Carrie, Welcome to the

1987
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Speaker 1: fifty five Caresity Morning Show. It's great to have you

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Speaker 1: on today.

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Speaker 5: Hi.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, you're in danger talking to.

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Speaker 16: Me, Brian I am.

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Speaker 1: I am so afraid Carrie, to give you a forum

1993
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Speaker 1: on this program. We love having folks like you on

1994
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Speaker 1: the fifty five cares of the Morning Show. Why the

1995
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Speaker 1: mainstream media really labeled you the most dangerous politician in America?

1996
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Speaker 1: Is this because you had the good fortune of getting

1997
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's endorsement. What was behind that, Carrie?

1998
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Speaker 8: Well, I think they.

1999
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Speaker 15: See me as the threat I am to the political

2000
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Speaker 15: and media establishment. I'm calling them out for what they're doing.

2001
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Speaker 15: I'm articulate. I understand how the media and the fake

2002
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Speaker 15: news works. I worked in the media for thirty years,

2003
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Speaker 15: and you know, they saw what we had in Arizona.

2004
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Speaker 15: We still have. It's a major movement. The people are

2005
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Speaker 15: awake in Arizona. They all stepped forward. They got involved

2006
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Speaker 15: so much so that the only way to stop us

2007
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Speaker 15: was to rig an election, which they did. But I'll

2008
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Speaker 15: never forget the day. You know, my amazing team would

2009
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Speaker 15: send me the press clippings, and you know, if I

2010
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Speaker 15: had a little time in the morning, I kind of

2011
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Speaker 15: go through and see what they were writing about me,

2012
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Speaker 15: which was always negative. It's so sad that that the

2013
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 15: press has gone so rotten because everything about our campaign

2014
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Speaker 15: was positive, but they wrote they wrote about me kind

2015
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Speaker 15: of like they wrote about Trump. And I will never

2016
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Speaker 15: forget the morning I woke up, I'm drinking my coffee

2017
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Speaker 15: and I see the headline the most dangerous politician in America,

2018
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Speaker 15: And I scrolled down, thinking it's going to be a

2019
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Speaker 15: picture of President Trump and it's me And I'm thinking,

2020
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Speaker 15: little old me, a mom from Arizona who's fed up

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Speaker 15: with the way things are going and dares to step

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Speaker 15: into politics, and they call me, that's what they labeled me.

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Speaker 15: But I am a danger to the system, the status quo.

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Speaker 15: We the people are a danger to the status quo

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Speaker 15: because it seems that we've forgotten that we hold the

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Speaker 15: power in the government. And I'm about bringing the government,

2027
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Speaker 15: getting the government back to the people. And that's why

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Speaker 15: I'm a danger to them.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're reminding the people that they are in control.

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Speaker 1: And this is what's so frustrating for me, because you

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Speaker 1: and I share the same you know, I like to

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Speaker 1: refer myself as a little libertarian. I believe you know,

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Speaker 1: I trust you with your zipper and your wallet. I

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Speaker 1: want minimal government in my life. I want my own

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Speaker 1: freedom to choose my own life direction. That is the

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Speaker 1: beauty of being American. But it bothers me so much

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Speaker 1: that so many people are either they don't care, they

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Speaker 1: want to be controlled, that they don't mind being manipulated,

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Speaker 1: or I'm my default is they're just asleep, you know,

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Speaker 1: after all the trials and tribulations and everything else they

2041
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Speaker 1: got to deal with. You know, they're stuck on watching

2042
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Speaker 1: binge watching programs. They don't have time to even lift

2043
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Speaker 1: a finger to pay attention to politics, and when they do,

2044
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Speaker 1: they default to their ten minute little dose of CBS

2045
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Speaker 1: and that's all they get. That is not enough for

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Speaker 1: an educated and informed electorate to stand up against this

2047
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Speaker 1: micro management we're getting from federal government more and more

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Speaker 1: every day, you know.

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Speaker 15: And I don't blame the people. I'm saddened if by

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Speaker 15: what's happening. You know, if all you know is the

2051
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Speaker 15: news you're you're told, you know, you still believe that

2052
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Speaker 15: the papers you pick up, you haven't been exposed to

2053
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Speaker 15: other sources where you kind of get the red pill

2054
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 15: or where you go, wait a minute, that's nothing's adding

2055
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Speaker 15: up right now. This is a massive operation to brainwash

2056
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Speaker 15: Americans and the people. I was sitting at lunch yesterday

2057
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Speaker 15: and there was a table of young people, probably twenty

2058
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Speaker 15: twenty one year olds behind me, maybe a little older

2059
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Speaker 15: than that, and they were just talking about how the

2060
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Speaker 15: systemic racism, and you know, the whole conversation was obviously

2061
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Speaker 15: these woke, you know, brainwashing that they have endured for

2062
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Speaker 15: I don't know, probably fourteen years of their education life.

2063
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Speaker 15: When you're raised in that environment, the news is lying

2064
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Speaker 15: to you, The schooling and education is lying to you,

2065
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Speaker 15: that's exactly what you get are a bunch of brainwashed

2066
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Speaker 15: people walking around thinking that this is all normal. And

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Speaker 15: it takes kind of a jolt to wake you up.

2068
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Speaker 15: And I'm hoping that more people are kind of wising

2069
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 15: up to a just seeing and not tuning into.

2070
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Speaker 8: The fake news.

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Speaker 1: Carry Lake, author of the book we're talking about today, Unafraid,

2072
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: just getting started. I guess the other really confounding and

2073
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Speaker 1: frightening component of this is it's not just mainstream media,

2074
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,639
Speaker 1: the George Soros manipulators out in the world, the moneyed

2075
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: interest that always have this more globalist agenda. But now

2076
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:22,559
Speaker 1: we know that our federal government is also working behind

2077
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:26,840
Speaker 1: the scenes two our more conservative minded disadvantage. I mean,

2078
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:28,760
Speaker 1: you look at what happened the Comber has revealed with

2079
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Speaker 1: the whistleblowers and the irs and the foreign government payments

2080
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Speaker 1: that they didn't bother lifting a finger to do. They

2081
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Speaker 1: let it ay slow walk it. So a statute of

2082
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 1: limitations would kick in the disparate treatment of Donald Trump

2083
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Speaker 1: compared to all of the others who have had you know,

2084
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 1: so called confidential documents in their position. I mean, for

2085
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 1: anybody who pays any attention they see that this deck

2086
01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 1: is so stacked against freedom loving conservative mind of individuals

2087
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:52,719
Speaker 1: like ourselves. I'm thinking some people just say I can't

2088
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Speaker 1: fight it.

2089
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Speaker 15: Well, but we can, and we can. The only way

2090
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:02,120
Speaker 15: we lose is when we quit. My dad was that

2091
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 15: you lose. When you quit, you lose.

2092
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Speaker 3: That's it.

2093
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 15: You're done. So we're going to fight every day. And

2094
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 15: you know they're going after They're going after the good guys.

2095
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 15: The media is going after Donald Trump relentlessly, other people

2096
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 15: who are America first. You see, you know, they're fighting

2097
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 15: for us, and you see the media going after them.

2098
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 15: I'm being sued now by an election official because I'm

2099
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 15: calling out the corruption and the elections, and now they're

2100
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Speaker 15: trying to assume me to stop me from from exposing

2101
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Speaker 15: the corruption of this rigged and stolen election, so they

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Speaker 15: will continue to come after us. I mean that that's

2103
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Speaker 15: just how it's going to be. Nobody gets out of

2104
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 15: this on scathed. We're in the process of saving our country,

2105
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 15: restoring America to its glory, and restoring the power back

2106
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Speaker 15: to the people. I believe it's happening.

2107
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Speaker 2: I believe it is.

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Speaker 15: We're in the process of restoring our government back to

2109
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Speaker 15: the American people, and it's not an easy process. It's

2110
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Speaker 15: kind of like the birthing process. It's it's not easy,

2111
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:01,720
Speaker 15: it's painful, and nobody gets out of it unscathed. But

2112
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 15: what good is a comfortable life? If you're living a

2113
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 15: life right now and you know things are not working right,

2114
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:10,640
Speaker 15: you know it's wrong. You know, maybe you're forced to

2115
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 15: get a vaccine against your will to keep your job,

2116
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:18,720
Speaker 15: or maybe you're seeing this this justice system that is

2117
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 15: really an injustice system. We have to be willing to

2118
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Speaker 15: give everything up to save our country. And I'm talking

2119
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:28,880
Speaker 15: about the paycheck, the benefits, the pension, the four oh

2120
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Speaker 15: one thing. What good is that if we're living in

2121
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Speaker 15: a country that is we're not free, that.

2122
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 8: We don't have our liberties.

2123
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Speaker 15: And that's why I walked away from my career. I

2124
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:39,320
Speaker 15: just realized the media was the problem, and if I

2125
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Speaker 15: continue to work in the media, I was the problem.

2126
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Speaker 15: And I thought it was an immoral profession at that

2127
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 15: point because of the lies that were being told about

2128
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Speaker 15: COVID about the election. So I walked away from my career.

2129
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Speaker 15: And little did I know that the people would be

2130
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 15: so moved by that act of courage that they would

2131
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Speaker 15: start doing courageous things, and they started to ask me

2132
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Speaker 15: to run for office. Had never imagined getting into politics

2133
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Speaker 15: in my life, and I thought, well, you know, maybe

2134
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Speaker 15: this was a me being a bit naive after going

2135
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Speaker 15: through history classes through school. That's what our founding fathers envisioned,

2136
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:16,640
Speaker 15: real people stepping forward and getting into politics, and so

2137
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Speaker 15: I jumped in. But little did I know, the swamp

2138
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 15: has a different set of rules. They only allow people

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Speaker 15: in who they can blackmail and control. And that's why

2140
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,879
Speaker 15: they threw such a fit when I got into politics,

2141
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:30,759
Speaker 15: because they saw that the people were with me, because

2142
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Speaker 15: I was representing the people, and they just went all

2143
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Speaker 15: out war with us, and they could not stop us,

2144
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Speaker 15: other than to rig an election, roll out intentionally roll

2145
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Speaker 15: out broken machines on election day when our people were

2146
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Speaker 15: showing up, and they put those broken machines in Republican

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Speaker 15: only areas. It's unbelievable what they did in Arizona. Most

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Speaker 15: people around the country don't realize it. And that's why

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Speaker 15: I'm working hard to get the word out that we

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Speaker 15: have to reform our elections. If we don't have on

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Speaker 15: of selections, we will lose our country.

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Speaker 1: And so unafraid just getting started is your personal story,

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Speaker 1: and I presume you wrote it because of the reaction.

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Speaker 1: You got this positive reaction, you can try to get

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Speaker 1: other people to, you know, take up the cause and

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Speaker 1: inspire them to do what you have done, at least

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Speaker 1: in some fashion.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 15: I think you're right about that. I didn't have a

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Speaker 15: mission like I have to do this in my book.

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Speaker 15: I wanted it to be a book that everybody would

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Speaker 15: enjoy it, and it's not a political book where you

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Speaker 15: have to get through ten to fifteen pages before you

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Speaker 15: feel like you want to continue reading. This is interesting.

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Speaker 15: From the very first sentence, I promise.

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Speaker 5: You that I so bold.

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Speaker 1: That's a bold statement that'll sell you books, Kerrie, and

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Speaker 1: I know my listeners are going to buy them up,

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Speaker 1: and I'll strongly encourage them to do it.

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Speaker 6: I made it really easy.

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Speaker 1: We have your book at fifty five care sea dot com,

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Speaker 1: as we always do with authors I interview, so they

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Speaker 1: can grab a copy of that and get inspired themselves.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 15: I was really honored that President Trump the ForWord.

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Speaker 8: I love writing.

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Speaker 15: I'm a thirty year journalist, so it was good to

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Speaker 15: get back into writing again. When I was asked to

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Speaker 15: write a book, and it was very cathartic, to be honest.

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Speaker 15: I wrote this in the days after our victory was

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Speaker 15: stolen from us, and it was a dark period, and

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Speaker 15: I had a few political types statement, don't don't go

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Speaker 15: after anybody, don't you know, even though so and so

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Speaker 15: did you wrong and another person kind of was betrayed

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Speaker 15: the people of Arizona. And I said, no, I'm going

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Speaker 15: to give the full, unfettered truth in this book. And there,

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Speaker 15: you know, somebody said, you threw this and you landed

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Speaker 15: on chins, But that's okay. Some people deserved it. But

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Speaker 15: it starts of the prolonged. The prologue starts and it's

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Speaker 15: called crash Landing, and it talks about one incident on

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Speaker 15: the campaign trail that almost was the end of me,

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Speaker 15: and I mean the end of me that most people

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Speaker 15: don't know about. And it goes on to explaining how

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Speaker 15: I ended up in journalism from growing up at a

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Speaker 15: family of nine, I was the youngest, and I take

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Speaker 15: you inside the fake news, and then I talk about

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Speaker 15: how I look the script on the fake news when

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Speaker 15: I was running, how I ended up using the fake

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Speaker 15: news to get about a billion dollars in free.

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Speaker 5: Media.

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Speaker 15: I didn't spend a lot of money paying for ads.

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Speaker 15: I use the fake news to create these viral moments

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Speaker 15: that would then go out and get us what they

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Speaker 15: call earned media, like.

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Speaker 1: Being labeled the most dangerous politician in America. My guess today,

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Speaker 1: Carrie Lake Carry, It's been a real pleasure having you

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Speaker 1: on today. I'll encourage my listeners fifty five cars dot

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Speaker 1: coms where they go get a copy of the book

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Speaker 1: and keep up the great work.

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Speaker 7: Carrie.

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Speaker 1: I feel very confident we'll be hearing a lot more

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Speaker 1: from you down the road, and you always have a

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Speaker 1: welcome spot here on my fifty five KRCE Morning Show.

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Speaker 15: Thank you, Brian, and thank you to Cincinnati as well

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Speaker 15: for listening this morning. God bless you and thank.

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Speaker 6: You for speaking truth to power. Carrie Lake.

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Speaker 1: Please to welcome to the fifty five Carrace Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: Author Robert J. Dela Hunt. He's a fellow the Claremont

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Speaker 1: or a Claremont in Stay Center for American Way of

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Speaker 1: Life in Washington. D c held a Lejune Chair of

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Speaker 1: Law at the University of Saint Thomas Law School in

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Speaker 1: Minneapolis until his retirement and is published widely on constitutional law.

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Speaker 1: I served as US Department of Justice for seventeen years

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Speaker 1: when was Deputy General Counsel in the White House Office

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Speaker 1: of Homeland Security. Welcome to the program, Robert. It is

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to talk to you about the politically Incorrect

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Speaker 1: Guy to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 6: Welcome to the fifty five CAREC Morning Show.

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Speaker 9: Well, thank you very much. It's a real pleasure in

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Speaker 9: honor to be here.

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Speaker 1: Pleasure and honor for me too, a fellow lawyer, I

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Speaker 1: consider myself a recovering lawyer, Robert, I have. This is

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Speaker 1: my seventeenth year in radio, and prior to that, I

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Speaker 1: did sixteen years in litigation, both in private practice as

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Speaker 1: well as in the corporate U I did. Yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: kept my license up just in case. You know, I

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Speaker 1: have bosses here too, so I like to be able

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Speaker 1: to remind him that, you know, someday I could always

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Speaker 1: go back to practicing law. But you and I both

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Speaker 1: know the true reality of that. After seventeen years, maybe not.

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Speaker 1: You obviously stayed at it. The politically Incorrect Guides they're

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Speaker 1: not satire works necessarily, they're actually extremely informative works, and

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Speaker 1: this is an extremely informative work on the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 9: Well, thank you. Yes, it's a series it's published by Riginery,

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Speaker 9: and ours happens to be the politically incorrect guide to

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Speaker 9: the Supreme Court. But you could find others in the

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Speaker 9: series about let's say, Christianity or Islam, or the Constitution

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Speaker 9: or whatever you please. And they are designed and are

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Speaker 9: certainly is designed to be user friendly. You don't need

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Speaker 9: a legal education, you don't need a law degree to

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Speaker 9: be able to read it and understand it. We aim

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Speaker 9: for a general audience of people who want to learn

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Speaker 9: about the workings and the history of the Supreme Court

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Speaker 9: and to have an informed discussion of some of its

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Speaker 9: major recent cases. If you're a retired person like me

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Speaker 9: and you want to learn more about the court, this

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Speaker 9: is a book for you. If you have a child

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Speaker 9: or a grandchild at home home who has an interest

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Speaker 9: in civics, again, this is a kind of book you

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Speaker 9: could give as a gift. If you're an accountant but

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Speaker 9: want to know more, or you have friendly arguments with

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Speaker 9: your next door neighbor about the Court, this is meant

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Speaker 9: for you. It's meant to be sophisticated. As you say,

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Speaker 9: we both have careers in teaching and practicing constitutional law,

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Speaker 9: but it's also meant to be accessible let.

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Speaker 6: Me use let's go to Roe v.

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Speaker 1: Wade, one of the most controversial decisions ever in the

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Speaker 1: context of discussing originalists versus activist judges and the perception

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Speaker 1: of the Constitution. Now, I always view it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: where your position is on abortion. I did never I

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Speaker 1: never liked Roe v. Wade because it is a great

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Speaker 1: illustration of judicial drafting legislation. I mean, where did trimesters

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Speaker 1: come from? How did that come into play? We're talking

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Speaker 1: about whether abortion is protected or not, and they end

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Speaker 1: up with this long piece of what should have been

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Speaker 1: legislation coming from a a constitution from the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: you know, a constitutional based decision that equaled legislation. That

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Speaker 1: to me is activism, whereas a court should have just

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Speaker 1: either addressed the issue as within the confines of the

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Speaker 1: Constitution or not. The law is either constitutional or not.

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Speaker 1: If it is not explained, why overrule the law and

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Speaker 1: then let the legislative branch go to work to refine

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Speaker 1: it that so it consists with the law. People got

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Speaker 1: up in arms and crazy over the idea that the

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Speaker 1: judges the most recently issued the Supreme Court decision over

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Speaker 1: ruling Roll Rowe, saying there's nothing in the Constitution that

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Speaker 1: deals with this subject matter. This is not within the

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Speaker 1: purview of the federal government. That returns the issue to

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Speaker 1: the states, consistent with all powers not specifically reserved in

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Speaker 1: the Constitution belong to the states. That is a originalist viewpoint.

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong on my analysis on that?

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Speaker 9: No, No, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. Of what

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Speaker 9: the court does and constitutional decisions is to make sure

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Speaker 9: that the decisions are made by the right decision maker.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't decide on the policy of abortion. It decides

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Speaker 9: who makes that call. It doesn't decide on the policy

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Speaker 9: of student loan relief. It decides who makes that call.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't it's not supposed to make substantive policy decisions.

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Speaker 9: It has to decide who is the right agency, who

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Speaker 9: is the right actor, what is the right branch of

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Speaker 9: the government to make the policy call? Or is it Sometimes,

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Speaker 9: as with abortion, the voters, the people in the states.

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Speaker 9: The problem with Roe all along was exactly what you say.

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Speaker 9: It looked like a piece of legislation. It looked like

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Speaker 9: something that could be mandated by the state legislature in

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Speaker 9: Montana or Ohio or Arizona. It did not look like

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Speaker 9: a piece of judicial decision making. And the re and

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Speaker 9: was that it was not that the Court got out

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Speaker 9: of its lane. It grabbed power that did not belong

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Speaker 9: to it. And after decades, finally the Court last year

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Speaker 9: reversed itself and it sent the question back to those

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Speaker 9: who constitutionally do have the authority to make abortion policy decisions,

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Speaker 9: and that is state governments and the people of those states.

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Speaker 9: And that was I think a major accomplishment. This court,

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Speaker 9: especially since the three new appointments by Donald Trump, has

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Speaker 9: been trying to get out of the wrong lanes and

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Speaker 9: enter the lane that belongs to judicial decision making. And yes,

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Speaker 9: as you say, its method is originalist. It looks for

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Speaker 9: the meaning of constitutional language as it was understood at

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Speaker 9: the time the people, the voters adopted that language, and

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Speaker 9: it says, unless the constitutional language has been changed or modified,

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Speaker 9: and there are ways you can do that, we will

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Speaker 9: give it the interpretation that it had at the time

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Speaker 9: it was ratified. Unless you change the law, it remains

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Speaker 9: the law. And that's how the Court use the Constitution.

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Speaker 9: And I think my co author thinks that that is

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Speaker 9: the correct approach.

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Speaker 1: My guess today, political or rather legal scholar, an author

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Speaker 1: of politically correct guide to a plically and correct guide

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Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. I want to dive into one

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Speaker 1: that don't. It's Robert de la Houney. I want to

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Speaker 1: dive into one really quick. Robert here, it's the most

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Speaker 1: frustrating case. It remains on the books, at least from

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Speaker 1: my perspective, Wickered versus Philburn that had did more to

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Speaker 1: expand the reach overreach of government, I think than any

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Speaker 1: decision handed down by the Supreme Court when they found

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Speaker 1: that one man on his farm within the confines of

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Speaker 1: the borders of his state and his property could not

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Speaker 1: grow crops because that had a ripple effect that impacted

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Speaker 1: interstate commerce, because the volume of wheed or tomatoes, or

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Speaker 1: whatever it was he was growing, it was impacted by

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Speaker 1: his growth. That to me is an believable overreach, and

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Speaker 1: it allowed so much intrusion into our freedoms and liberties

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Speaker 1: that transcend the limitations of the Constitution. Given the makeup

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Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court, now, first off, do you believe

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Speaker 1: that the case was incorrectly decided along these originalists versus

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Speaker 1: activist grounds? But more fundamentally, regardless where you're on that,

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Speaker 1: do you think this current court would ever overturn that,

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Speaker 1: and might the repercussions be on that.

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Speaker 9: I do agree with you. I think the Philburn case

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Speaker 9: was wrongly decided. It was a decision under the interstate

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Speaker 9: Commerce clause, Congress has the power to regulate commerce between

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Speaker 9: the states. In effect, that gives it the ability to

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Speaker 9: create a kind of free trade zone within the United States.

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Speaker 9: It also has the power to regulate commerce with foreign

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Speaker 9: nations and with the Indian peoples. And Wickert was a

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Speaker 9: case in which a wheat farmer was basically mining his

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Speaker 9: own business, growing his own crops. Much of it he

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Speaker 9: consumed himself, some he fed to his animals on the farm,

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Speaker 9: some he so locally. It is impossible to see how

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Speaker 9: that could really be considered interstate commerce. Nevertheless, the government

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Speaker 9: tried to limit the amount of wheat he could grow

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Speaker 9: on the theory that even a small amount of wheat

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Speaker 9: sales would affect the price of wheat in interstate commerce,

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Speaker 9: and the government was trying to regulate those prices and

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Speaker 9: keep them higher because of the depression. It clearly was

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Speaker 9: an overreach of governmental power, and the Supreme Court back

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Speaker 9: in the nineteen thirties permitted it. Will the Court get

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Speaker 9: to the point where it overturns Wickered. I don't think

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Speaker 9: anytime soon, because so much of the administrative state has

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Speaker 9: been built on a very exsive reading.

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Speaker 1: That's right, if people comply my program, I'm delivered, little

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Speaker 1: elementarian minded guy. I trust you with that well, your life,

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Speaker 1: and you trust me with mine and my money, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to get along just fine, regardless of what

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Speaker 1: your philosophy is. But I have you regularly complained about

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Speaker 1: the overreach of the administrative state, the intrusions into our

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Speaker 1: protected rights under the Bill of Rights. We could go

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Speaker 1: on for hours, sir, on the Fourth Amendment abuses that

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Speaker 1: our government is currently engaging in. But if Wickered were

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Speaker 1: magically dis to disappear, every complaint we've got about the

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Speaker 1: administrative state would practically be wiped out, because most of

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Speaker 1: the administ's administrative state would be wiped out for lack

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Speaker 1: of ability to reach into our neighborhoods. Anyway, sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: You have one beautiful thing I have to mention this, Robert,

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Speaker 1: I was disappointed in the Supreme Court's decision on the

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Speaker 1: Obamacare finding that it was constitutional. Was the one gift

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Speaker 1: that we were given in that case was the definitive

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Speaker 1: statement that no, the commerce clause cannot be used to

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Speaker 1: force us to engage in activity.

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Speaker 9: That's right. Yes, that was the holding of the court,

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Speaker 9: so that the government cannot compel you to enter the

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Speaker 9: market for medical insurance. But you know that's truly the

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Speaker 9: outermost bounds of the Grain Farmer case. On the other hand,

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Speaker 9: look the court three cases next term, and it has

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Speaker 9: decided one this term that have a direct bearing on

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Speaker 9: the administrative state, and I think it's chipping away at

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Speaker 9: this vast edifice. And next term when it decides these

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Speaker 9: three cases, we may see a significant change in the

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Speaker 9: way recoverned because the administrate, if the Court continues on

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Speaker 9: its path, is going to have to be slimmed down.

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Speaker 9: Grook is not going to be overturned in a single year,

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Speaker 9: but it will be slenderized.

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Speaker 1: Well, we saw that with West virgin Universus EPA. They

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Speaker 1: exceed the boundaries under the Water Act, like it can't

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Speaker 1: claim a tablespoon of water on your property is now

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Speaker 1: part of navigabal waterways. So that was a great, great

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Speaker 1: limitation and that case will be relied upon down the

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Speaker 1: road to further whittle away these gross abuses of our

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Speaker 1: administrators writing laws behind the scenes and without elected accountability.

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Speaker 1: The name of the book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. I have really enjoyed our conversation Robert

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Speaker 1: Della honeymore Kelat and I maybe look forward to having

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Speaker 1: you on again the program on other matters related to

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Speaker 1: the Constitution. Fantastic conversation, fun book. My listeners can get

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Speaker 1: it on my blog page at fifty five krs dot com.

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Speaker 1: And I really encourage you to do it because books

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Speaker 1: like this will boil down what otherwise seem to be

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Speaker 1: complex legal topics into really easily understandable principles, and that's

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Speaker 1: what it's all about. Robert, you did a great job,

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Speaker 1: my friend. Thank you very much. I'd like to welcome

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Speaker 1: to the fifty five Carsee Morning show a woman everybody knows,

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Speaker 1: Judge Jeanine Pero, Eve's watcher on the five, which is

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Speaker 1: the highest rated program on Fox, started out as the

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Speaker 1: first woman in history to prosecute murder cases Westchester Kennedy

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Speaker 1: or where should begin her careers Assistant District Attorney. She

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Speaker 1: had one hundred percent conviction rate. That is amazing. Then

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Speaker 1: she moved on and she held the position for twelve years.

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Speaker 1: Westchester County District attorney. She started as a legal analyst

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Speaker 1: on Fox News a long time ago, hosted their weekend

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Speaker 1: program Justice with Judge Janine back in twenty eleven, and

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Speaker 1: of course on to Fox the Five on Fox NewsChannel.

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Speaker 6: Also an author.

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Speaker 1: Today, we're going to be talking about a new book,

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Speaker 1: Crimes against America, the lefts takedown of our Republic, described

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Speaker 1: as an unmatched indictment against Joe Biden's administration and far

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Speaker 1: left id logus who've sought to change our way of

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Speaker 1: life by fundamentally transforming America as we know it. Judge

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Speaker 1: Janeen Perrou, Welcome to the fifty five Careceon Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: A distinct pleasure to have you on today.

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Speaker 16: Well, thank you very much, and thank you for that introduction.

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Speaker 16: You know, it's kind of like a rundown in past history.

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Speaker 4: Well I am.

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Speaker 16: But the book, though, is really contemporary history. I mean

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Speaker 16: every day when you listen to you or open a

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Speaker 16: turn on a TV, read the newspaper. I mean, everything

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Speaker 16: is in this book. Everything that's been going on, from

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Speaker 16: the Durham Report to the takedown of law and order

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Speaker 16: to the craziness at the Southern border is in the book.

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Speaker 16: It is wild. You know, we're no longer a sovereign nation.

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Speaker 16: We're nothing more than a globalist landing spot with benefits

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Speaker 16: for anyone who wants to decide to come here and

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Speaker 16: partake of our conacopeia benefits, whether it's education, medication, housing,

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Speaker 16: it's America is just not the sovereign nation she once was.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that the case? And I, you know, agree wholeheartedly

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Speaker 1: with everything you said. You obviously didn't call me looking

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Speaker 1: for an argument. I'm witnessing it myself.

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Speaker 7: Question.

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Speaker 1: Here's a parallel I want to draw because I watched

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Speaker 1: this Ukraine war go on, and if Russia ends up

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Speaker 1: winning or Ukraine ends up retaining the territory, they are

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Speaker 1: going to get nothing but a bombed out wasteland. And

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Speaker 1: I think about this in terms of what the left

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Speaker 1: is pushing for. What in the hell is their endgame?

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Speaker 1: Because the way everything they're pushing for, whether it be

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Speaker 1: trillions of dollars in reparations or unlimited benefits from the

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Speaker 1: umbilical court of government, I'm sorry, the dollars don't add up.

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Speaker 6: It's not there.

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Speaker 1: And if they get what they want, they're going to

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Speaker 1: inherit a total wasteland in the United States of America

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Speaker 1: as the world relies on it with a perpetual handout,

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Speaker 1: is not going to be around in the way it

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Speaker 1: is now. So what's the endgame?

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Speaker 16: Well, you know, I wish I knew what the endgame was,

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Speaker 16: but I can only imagine that it's about ports, uh,

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Speaker 16: and it's about h waterways, it's about transportation. Look, Russia

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Speaker 16: needs Ukraine. Ukraine is you know, the bread basket of

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Speaker 16: the world, so they have wheat and they have the

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Speaker 16: ability to get Russia transfer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Judgine, I was using Ukraine as a metaphor

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Speaker 1: because if you take it over, fine, I guess you

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Speaker 1: get the what's left in terms of natural resources, but

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Speaker 1: other everything.

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Speaker 6: Else is just dilapidated.

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Speaker 1: Now, the left here in the United States would inherit

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Speaker 1: this massive unsustainable welfare state that they keep perpetuating. But

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Speaker 1: we're working through this budget negotiation, debt ceiling. We obviously

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Speaker 1: have a spending problem. It can't go on forever.

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Speaker 16: So I sure again, don't you remember AOC said, well,

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Speaker 16: we'll just we'll just print more money. And you know,

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Speaker 16: the amazing part of is the trillions that we gave

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Speaker 16: during COVID billions, the schools we don't even have account

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Speaker 16: and accounting of where they spend it. But what we

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Speaker 16: do know is that the schools, through Randy Weingarten, she

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Speaker 16: will end up giving millions and millions to the Democrat

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Speaker 16: Party because that's how it works. And as it relates

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Speaker 16: to the other stuff, you remember, well, let's talk about

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Speaker 16: Black Lives Matter, not the movement, but the organization. Okay,

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Speaker 16: all the big corporations contributed to them because of all

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Speaker 16: this value signaling. And the truth is they ended up

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Speaker 16: buying a few mansions in California, didn't want to file taxes.

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Speaker 16: Very few of the dollars, if any, went to young

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Speaker 16: African Americans who needed it in the inner cities. You know,

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Speaker 16: we've got to try to figure out a way to

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Speaker 16: stop spending money and a way to improve people's lives.

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Speaker 16: And whether it's through some kind of schooling, and whether

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Speaker 16: it's a charter school, and you know, whether it's any

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Speaker 16: kind of school other than the public schools where our

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Speaker 16: kids are there. And I say this in the first

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Speaker 16: few minutes of the book. You know, our kids are

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Speaker 16: graduating from school and thirty eight percent of them are

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Speaker 16: not proficient in reading or in maths. And it gets

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Speaker 16: worse with the pandemic. So we keep throwing money at problems.

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Speaker 16: Nothing comes of it. But I'll tell you something. You

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Speaker 16: want to use Ukraine as a metaphor. You want to

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Speaker 16: tell me why Randy Weingarten went to Ukraine three times?

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Speaker 16: What is she doing there? And the first time she

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Speaker 16: went there the head of the AFT. First time she

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Speaker 16: goes there, she says, Oh, I'm comparing the education systems

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Speaker 16: of the United States and Ukraine?

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 16: Every school has been bombed and destroyed in Ukraine. What

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Speaker 16: else are you doing there? Randy tell me? And so

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Speaker 16: when the left throws money and they can't stop throwing

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Speaker 16: money at this green energy, we don't even have an

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Speaker 16: infrastructure to support it, and we destroy jobs. I mean,

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Speaker 16: everything that Joe Biden is doing, and I say this

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Speaker 16: in crimes against America. Everything that he's doing is hurting America.

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Speaker 16: It's making America last. And it's sad because this is

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Speaker 16: not the country that.

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Speaker 4: We grew up in.

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Speaker 16: And everything goes down. The statues, the schools, you know, reading, writing, arithmetic,

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Speaker 16: and now we're talking about teaching kids how to perform

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Speaker 16: sex on each other in the second grade. When I

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Speaker 16: was a da I'd prosecute that as child pornography. And

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Speaker 16: they want to fight if they want to fight for

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Speaker 16: that stuff. And you know, you listen to people, Oh,

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Speaker 16: we we think third term abortions are good. And you know,

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Speaker 16: if it's a it's for the help of the mother.

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Speaker 16: You know, she can decide after the baby's born. According

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Speaker 16: to Governor north Im in Virginia, UH, she can decide

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Speaker 16: with an up or down like the Emperor and the coliseum.

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Speaker 16: Then let the baby live. Then you're right, let the

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Speaker 16: baby die. I mean, these are not the values of

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Speaker 16: this country. And whether it's whether it's the mass invasion

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Speaker 16: of the border, and you know what we're doing in

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Speaker 16: New York City. The mayor of New York City has

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Speaker 16: thrown kids out of schools, putting illegals in the gyms

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Speaker 16: and telling kids that they have they have to have

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Speaker 16: gym in the streets. And we've got we've got veterans

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Speaker 16: on the streets, illegals in the UH in the hotels.

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Speaker 16: Fifty percent of the hotels in New York City have illegals.

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Speaker 16: And you know, I don't blaim the Southern States for

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Speaker 16: sending the illegals to the Northern States, because why should

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Speaker 16: they suffer the indignity and the destruction of their budgets

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Speaker 16: and everything else, whereas the people in the north are like, oh,

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Speaker 16: you have to take it, you have to take it.

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Speaker 16: It's about time they understood what it really means to

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Speaker 16: be a sanctuary city or a sanctuary state. Put your

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Speaker 16: money where you're up as a buster.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, that virtue signaling. Ultimately, the chickens come home to

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Speaker 1: roost and now they're suffering, and they are a micro

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Speaker 1: example of the macro reality that's going on in America

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Speaker 1: with this unflowed immigration situation we have on the border.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe before we part company the name of

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Speaker 1: the book and of course my guest today, Judge Jeanine Pero,

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Speaker 1: crimes against America, the left takedown of our republic. You

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Speaker 1: can get it on my blog page fifty five casey

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Speaker 1: dot com. Do you believe in all the things you

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Speaker 1: say are logical and reasonable? And to me, like school

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Speaker 1: choice and the border, these don't have a political stripe

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Speaker 1: from my standpoint. I mean, it is not a Republican

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Speaker 1: Democrat thing to say I want my children to go

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Speaker 1: to a good school. Do you believe that the public

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Speaker 1: is now waking up to this whole. Are this lock

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Speaker 1: stock and barrel leftist movement to undermine literally everything we've

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Speaker 1: previously stood for that's been so successful for us.

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Speaker 16: Well, you know, I must tell you, I think it

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Speaker 16: was Donald Trump who showed us for the first time

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Speaker 16: what fake news was.

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Speaker 9: You know, for the for.

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Speaker 16: Generations, we thought the news was the news, and it

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Speaker 16: was objective, it was clear. But now we look behind

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Speaker 16: the headline. Now we read the articles. Now we understand that,

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Speaker 16: you know, it's more than what they say it is.

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Speaker 16: It's called gas lighting. They gaslight us all the time.

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Speaker 16: It's like Joe Biden, he came into the White House

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Speaker 16: and the Trojan horse.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm a moderate.

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Speaker 16: Meanwhile all the little people run into the White House

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Speaker 16: and are running this country. Is though, it's a Marxist state.

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Speaker 16: And you're right, it's not Republican or democrat. We talk

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Speaker 16: about schools or education, but it's part of a Marxist ideology.

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Speaker 16: And that's the socialism that's going on here where the

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Speaker 16: progressive das who know nothing about prosecuting and who prefer

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Speaker 16: to elect criminals out well, the victims just you know,

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Speaker 16: they can just flounder. Hey, you had a rough day

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Speaker 16: at it too bad. We got to take care of

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Speaker 16: this criminal it is. It is about, you know, the

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Speaker 16: state taking over our children and owning our children. And

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Speaker 16: I talk about it in Crimes against America, which, by

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Speaker 16: the way, in addition, you can get a judge jabook

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Speaker 16: dot com. You can get it real fast that.

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Speaker 6: Way, Judge a book.

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Speaker 1: I'll have my I'll have my producer ad that, I'll

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Speaker 1: have her add I have him add that to the

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Speaker 1: link as well. Judge nine pero, you know, the only

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Speaker 1: problem is you just aren't passionate enough about this subject matter.

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Speaker 1: It has been a real pleasure having you on. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: going to get a copy of Crimes against America, the

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Speaker 1: left's take down of our republic. Get it, read it

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Speaker 1: and share it with a friend. We'll be watching you

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Speaker 1: on the five. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 16: I'll be there. Thank you.