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Speaker 3: Third and final hour tonight Sports Talk the show RNL

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Speaker 3: Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet im Lance Pacanister.

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Speaker 3: got more to get to in this hour, so let's

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Speaker 3: get to it now. I got an email from our

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Speaker 3: and this is perfect. The topic is card and dice

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Speaker 3: tabletop sports games, and I was thinking, man with people

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Speaker 3: on sports talk. And my next guest has done some

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Speaker 3: really cool stuff. He has started up powder Blue Sports.

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Speaker 3: He can speak on this and so much more. So

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Speaker 3: Let's go straight to the source and welcome in from

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Speaker 3: Powder Blue Sports, John Turnbull.

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Speaker 4: John, how are you, Lance? I'm doing great. Thanks for

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Speaker 4: having me on.

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Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited to catch up with you tonight. Let's

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Speaker 3: start with the basics here. Am I right that the

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Speaker 3: card and dice game industry, so to speak, has blown

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Speaker 2: And if so, why.

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Speaker 4: I believe we are at it headed into a cover

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Speaker 4: renaissance period with the card and dice games, and I

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Speaker 4: think COVID had a lot to do with it. People were,

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Speaker 4: Anybody who's a sports fan probably like you said, played

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Speaker 3: You's from and John, as you told me, and we'll

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Speaker 3: get into some of the games you've created. The express

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it has today you know, everything is is you

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Speaker 4: You know, you need it to not last very long.

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Speaker 2: That, yeah, no doubt. So let's get to it.

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Speaker 3: You have created Powder Blue Sports and website powderbluesports dot

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Speaker 3: Tell me how it came about and what it's become

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Speaker 4: Well, a lot of game developers make games that they

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Speaker 4: Both pro and college? Most of what I've done so

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Speaker 4: Okay, we'll take the football game for example. It's done

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Speaker 4: in I actually have fourteen segments, so you get fourteen

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Speaker 4: This one uses two six sided dice, so your roll

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Speaker 4: that specific segment to play in. And there's three segments

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love to say, and so so this can

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Speaker 3: And backtrack a little bit. How many games have you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I put the Draft Time Football came out

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Speaker 3: Wow, you mentioned a convention and you told me in

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Speaker 3: the email there is a rather significant convention coming up

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Speaker 4: you know earlier today? Yeah, it is, It really is.

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Speaker 3: So if someone listening now is hearing, Okay, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to go to Petterblue sports dot com. Are they to

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Speaker 3: How does it work?

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Speaker 4: Okay? All my games are free on the Powder Blue

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Speaker 4: that has the free files, instructions, scoresheets, seasons for all

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love this is this is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Man, You've sparked just your email sparked so many memories

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Speaker 3: So powder Bluesports dot com for more information. This was

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Speaker 3: This was perfect for a Monday night coming off a

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Speaker 3: and let's keep in touch.

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Speaker 4: All right, Yes, we'll do. Thank you, Laans.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate all right, take care, John, There you go,

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Speaker 3: John Turnbull, Powder Blue Sports leading into this question. Website

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Speaker 3: powderblue Sports dot com some really cool stuff and I

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Speaker 2: I say this all the time.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't ey idea, I've had two guests on

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Speaker 3: love reading them. Let's do this when we come back.

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Speaker 3: John just said from Powder Blue Sports and talk a

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Speaker 2: I mentioned Appa. Did you have do you have a game.

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Speaker 3: I call it Apple, some call it APBA American Professional

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Speaker 2: I believe Lancaster, Pennsylvania headquarters, but.

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Speaker 3: We were very die hard and loyal to APPA Baseball

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Speaker 3: on some card and dice tabletop sports games. In honor

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