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<v Speaker 1>Mac. I think we have a appall a ge after

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<v Speaker 1>our award winning Hall Hall of Fame. A couple names

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<v Speaker 1>that were left off. One that I threw at you

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<v Speaker 1>on the end of the week. I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we forgot Taylor Hall. You immediately said doesn't deserve to

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<v Speaker 1>be in there. That's fine, but a mention would have

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<v Speaker 1>been nice. Sure, once again, these are halls to get

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<v Speaker 1>into the Hall of Fame, halls to get into the

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<v Speaker 1>Hall Hall of Fame, the Hall Hall, Hall, Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 1>the Hall Hall, Hallmark, apology to Hallmark Hallmarks should be

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<v Speaker 1>in the Hall of Fame. You know what, we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think it through.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool. Let me let me be the first to apologize to.

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<v Speaker 1>All the apologize alcoholics, Alcoholics, huh, chocoholics, hallics in general,

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<v Speaker 1>all hollics should have gotten in to the Hall Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame, or you could have went through and like

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<v Speaker 1>weed it out.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I'm saying, fans of the Hall Hall of

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<v Speaker 2>Fame are alcoholics. Oh shit, That's what I'm calling them.

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<v Speaker 1>And you thought about this since last Thursday when we.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought about this an hour ago and I saw

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<v Speaker 2>your opener.

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<v Speaker 1>So you would like to apologize.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to apologize to the alcoholics.

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<v Speaker 1>And then one that was pointed out to us on

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<v Speaker 1>social media and should have been a first ballot. He'll

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<v Speaker 1>be top of the board next year when we do

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<v Speaker 1>our Hall Hall of Fame second class, second class. Scott Hall, Zormon.

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<v Speaker 2>Razor ramone should have been on the the opening ballot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an oversight in our part.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Hall, Hallmark. Those are two that are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in on the second So you can start getting

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<v Speaker 1>your you can start planning your trip now for year

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<v Speaker 1>two of the Hall Hall of Fame. One Goo three, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>job three, King of Queen Marl Street Entertainment. I'm good

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm mad he or the Mac and Gooop program.

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<v Speaker 1>I swear it gets better. A.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying no.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, Well, the content that we consumed I enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if the content of this show gets

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<v Speaker 1>much better.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, good point about that. Number two A kickflip

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<v Speaker 2>A Christ's three sixty. Christ Air, that's some messing everything up,

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<v Speaker 2>christ Air. Off of your point about the content that

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<v Speaker 2>you enjoyed. I'm curious people's receptions this. I know what

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<v Speaker 2>the online scores say. I'm curious what the online reception

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<v Speaker 2>is to people that we respect and our listeners go.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I haven't seen like any tweets about this show,

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<v Speaker 2>which has been a little weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also curious and maybe they fudge numbers, but Spider

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<v Speaker 1>Noir is number one, the number one show at least

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<v Speaker 1>on Amazon Prime.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because it's the only new show on Amazon Prime.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't mean shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, today we are discussing Spider Noir. This hit

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon Prime on May twenty fifth. It dropped all eight episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>which I love. That's how I prefer to consume all

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<v Speaker 2>of my media shows. Whatever it is. Uhu. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a TV fourteen action adventure, crime, drama, fantasy, mystery and

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<v Speaker 2>sci fi subgenres of period drama and.

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<v Speaker 1>Super You can only watch it once a month.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say for being a serious titled Spider Noir,

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<v Speaker 2>in having a private investigator be your titular character, there

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<v Speaker 2>really wasn't much of an investigator or mystery here. It

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<v Speaker 2>was all out front.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's a private dick. It's a private cos a

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<v Speaker 1>private cock. He's able to so because of his you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's dipping his toes all over the place. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>need to do a ton of problem solving. He has

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<v Speaker 1>the answers already.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I I'd say, right off the top here goo

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<v Speaker 2>not to show my hand. But I think my biggest

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<v Speaker 2>disappointment with this show is there was no real you know,

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<v Speaker 2>investigation mystery at its core. It just was it's just real,

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<v Speaker 2>like interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a little bit when it comes to who

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<v Speaker 1>has the powers, how they got them, who did it

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<v Speaker 1>to them.

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<v Speaker 2>All sudden, that was a minor thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It really wasn't about you know, who the rat is,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's about how to cover up the rat, which

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<v Speaker 1>I did enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>It really just became a character study and.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that though.

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<v Speaker 2>And in you know, round it out for the audience

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<v Speaker 2>who Ben Riley is or the as Yeah, which is

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<v Speaker 2>that a spoiler? We'll save that.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, May I ask you this you just mentioned tipping

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<v Speaker 1>your hand, showing your hand. Can we find a way

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<v Speaker 1>to have like the pocket like how it shows what

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<v Speaker 1>the people have in their hand, where the audience can

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<v Speaker 1>see what's in your hand. But I can't explain yourself

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<v Speaker 1>the World Series of Poker that what you rage?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want the pocket camp?

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<v Speaker 1>I want the pocket gam for the World Series of Poker.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't mention the word poker or card once when

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<v Speaker 2>describing that.

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<v Speaker 1>That was very abusive, also curious. I'm not telling you

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<v Speaker 1>to buy it. You can buy it if you want,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I want you to get those lizard glasses

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<v Speaker 1>that whats his name had? Who was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Like the uh chrockle of reddick glasses like the oak

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<v Speaker 2>leaves from the early was.

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<v Speaker 1>The poker player who had the lizard? Oh you're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About Greg Ramer? Thank you Greg Ramer with the circular

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<v Speaker 2>little lizard eye glasses. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>When I used to go and play table cards, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we call Foxwoods and Mohegan, I would always dress

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<v Speaker 1>as a nerd because no one would ever suspect the

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<v Speaker 1>nerd at being good at cards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The numbers guy would never know numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>That I always seemed to be counting in the corner.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Spider Noir, speaking of numbers, was eight episodes that

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<v Speaker 2>total three hundred and sixty nine very nice minutes, averaged

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<v Speaker 2>about forty six minutes per episode. I thought the episode

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<v Speaker 2>length was very good. Wasn't too short, It wasn't too long.

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<v Speaker 1>Also the amount of episodes also good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. It was pretty good. Crisp so one

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<v Speaker 2>of a breeze. I do think we could have worked

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<v Speaker 2>in a little more substance to our story. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of what I'm talking about with.

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<v Speaker 1>The lack of like you have more problem solved and

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<v Speaker 1>you have more crime solve.

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<v Speaker 2>A little more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he's a police officer though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's sort of like if you're gonna sell

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<v Speaker 2>us on the noir themes, like the crime drama, it

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<v Speaker 2>lacked it a little bit. It was more character heavy

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<v Speaker 2>than it was story.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the noir of it was really more just

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<v Speaker 1>to push the black and white of it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I would argue was the second best version

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<v Speaker 2>to watch this show too.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna fight you with this.

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<v Speaker 2>It really lacked in the noir thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You and my wife. I'm gonna fight you both on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Goose Spider Noir on Roddy T's ninety two percent from

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<v Speaker 2>the critics, ninety three percent from the audience, So everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>watching this and liking it. A seventy two on Metacritic,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty strong score. So in general, this show is being praised,

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<v Speaker 2>But once again, I do find it weird, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to even like The Boys or any

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<v Speaker 2>other comic books thing we watch. It dominates media, YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>videos for two three four weeks a month. There's been

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<v Speaker 2>a surprising lack of media content around it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because look, it is a spider Man, but not really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, they had the tiptoe around it. And it

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<v Speaker 2>feels like it's lack like these scores for example. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how to compare it to anything else, but

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<v Speaker 2>like a Marvel movie, Baseline is gonna make one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty to two hundred million opening weekend. Right. This

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<v Speaker 2>feels like if it was in the box office, it

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<v Speaker 2>would have had a man do and grogu like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no experience, it would have money into it with

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<v Speaker 1>like we have a smaller production budget and we're expecting less.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it had a four hundred million dollar production budget.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever I just said, I edited that right out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was like two or three times higher.

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<v Speaker 2>It's four hundred million dollars on this I think. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that's what I read credits, That's what I read.

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<v Speaker 1>I like how it looked.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks good, yeah, especially in color.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, let's throw this out there, Amazon, they got money

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<v Speaker 1>to spend. Who gets sure to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they sure do. I'm googling it right now. Goo,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you got a no budget. Yeah, costs proximately

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<v Speaker 2>four hundred million dollars for this season.

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<v Speaker 1>How do they expect to make that back? What was

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<v Speaker 1>the ROI don't know. No, No, So I do want

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<v Speaker 1>Prime to do what Apple TV does. Is that what

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<v Speaker 1>it's called Apple streaming, Apple TV plus, Apple TV plus.

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<v Speaker 1>I want them to start doing what they do where

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<v Speaker 1>the Apple Channel and Amazon Prime. That's like an add

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<v Speaker 1>on to what they're already like making their money on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what Prime is. You get Prime with Amazon prop.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying is like, go into these not expecting

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<v Speaker 1>to like, don't expect this show to raise your app

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<v Speaker 1>just make it and make it good.

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<v Speaker 2>You have described the essence of Prime this whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that. But what I'm trying to say, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is that Apple TV plus whatever it's called, loses billions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars every year on what they're putting out. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're putting out really good quality things. But they know

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<v Speaker 1>that they're not making their money off of that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just a fun little thing. That's what I want Prime

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<v Speaker 1>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. Sure. Spider Noir was created for television by orin Uziel.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope I'm saying his name correctly, Oran Uziel. He

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<v Speaker 2>was the writer on twenty two Jump Street, The Cloverfield Paradox,

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<v Speaker 2>Mortal Kombat, and The Lost City. So he's had a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty successful fifteen or seventy fast his upcoming projects if

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<v Speaker 2>you liked everything he's done or most I like it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's writing the Fast Forever movie, the Pokemon Detective Pikachu sequel,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Clue movie. That is an interesting triumph of movies.

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<v Speaker 1>That is interesting, and I think half of those get

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<v Speaker 1>made possibly, so.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get one and a half of those three movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Synopsis of Spider Noir. Ben Riley, a seasoned, down on

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<v Speaker 2>his luck private investigator a gunshoe in nineteen thirties New York,

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<v Speaker 2>is forced to grapple with his past life following a

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<v Speaker 2>deeply personal tragedy as the city's one and only superhero.

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<v Speaker 2>This show stars Nicholas Cage as the one and only

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<v Speaker 2>superhero Ben Riley aka of the Spider, notably not called

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<v Speaker 2>spider Man because they're not allowed to call him spider Man.

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<v Speaker 2>The sponsor, they're not allowed to use the name Peter Parker,

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<v Speaker 2>which we'll get.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, by the way, I did some research. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>last week about Like, why don't we call them dix anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>Around the nineteen fifties, when people started to use dick

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<v Speaker 1>as slang for penis went out of fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that makes sense, That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to hear some other pulp and classic slang

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<v Speaker 1>for detectives? Sure, gum shoes. I've already said that one

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<v Speaker 1>private I PI dick, private dick, Seamus interesting hawkshaw?

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<v Speaker 2>Never heard of that?

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<v Speaker 1>Hawkshaw is an old fashioned term for an incredibly sharp

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<v Speaker 1>and observant detective. I guess you could say that about

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<v Speaker 1>me when looking into these shows and movies moreel Hawkshaw Goo?

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<v Speaker 2>What are your favorites? Lamar and Morris plays Robbie Robertson

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<v Speaker 2>here a reporter Lee John Lee as Cat Hardy, who

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<v Speaker 2>is essentially a variation of Felicia Hardy. You know they

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<v Speaker 2>call her that cat Hardy black Cat for a reason.

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<v Speaker 2>We last saw her in Sinners. She was pretty great

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<v Speaker 2>in Sinners, very frustrating in Sinners. Karen Rodriguez is Janet Ruiz.

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<v Speaker 2>She's the one that works with Ben into the private

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<v Speaker 2>eye business. Abraham Papoola What a name? Papula as Lonnie

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln aka Tombstone that's one of our villains we see

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<v Speaker 2>this season. Jack Houston as Flip Marco aka Sandman, another villain.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting too that they can't use Spider Man

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<v Speaker 2>and Peter Parker but they can use some of his villains.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, so I feel like, yes, it says sand Man,

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<v Speaker 1>but the way it's pronouncing the show, it is sand Man.

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<v Speaker 1>They have separated it. It is no longer sand Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Lewis Caldwell as dirk Leyden Lighten aka Mega Watt,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not a villain.

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever heard of Electro. It's not an electron. Call

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<v Speaker 1>him Electro. Yeah, it's not on Electro.

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<v Speaker 2>Brendan Gleeson as like the kingpin of the show Gangs.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know what, I loved him. I love a

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<v Speaker 1>good iron silvermin.

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<v Speaker 2>He was great.

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<v Speaker 1>I love a good Irish Brogue and I'm gonna try

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<v Speaker 1>and not do it during this podcast, but for four

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<v Speaker 1>straight days I was going back and forth with Irish

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<v Speaker 1>Brogue and Nicholas Cage Broke. To my wife, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>she was having a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>Silver Main gu the character that Brendan Gleason is playing,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of before. But just your classic gangster

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<v Speaker 2>type characters.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't They got it from Guccie Main. He has a main, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not a man.

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<v Speaker 2>Silvermin's top two henchmen, Perry and Pudge, are played by

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<v Speaker 2>Scott MacArthur and Joe Massingill.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those fellas is from Skull the Oh. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish they called them Balkan Skull or Bebop and rock Steady.

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<v Speaker 2>You would you would recognize Scott MacArthur more than yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott MacArthur, I think is in the basketball show with

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<v Speaker 1>I Keep forgetting her name, Goldie Han's daughter, Kate Hudson.

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<v Speaker 1>Kate Hudson, Ollie Hudson's sister.

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<v Speaker 2>Also in this show, Goo Michael Kostroff as Mayor Alfred

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<v Speaker 2>Morris lucas hass Is Winston. That's like the top right

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<v Speaker 2>hand man for Silver Maine. And then Carrie Christopher as Frankie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the little kid that just pops up a couple times.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh notably here, Goo Randall Ogisby Oglesby plays Chief McNamara,

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<v Speaker 2>So I had to shot your name. Yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>my name. And then Jack mckssel plays Addison. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>firearm guy that we see in the first couple.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my biggest issue with the names here is

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<v Speaker 1>Lucas hass as Winston because he shares the screen a

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<v Speaker 1>lot with Lamar and Morris, who famously played a character

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<v Speaker 1>named Winston. I got confused a couple times.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, this firearm character was an original character created for

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<v Speaker 2>the series, not a comic book character, which is fine.

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<v Speaker 2>He's only exists for a couple episodes. Uh goo. Speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of the oddities of this show, a couple things here.

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<v Speaker 2>You might be wondering why the fuck this is on

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<v Speaker 2>Sony not Disney Plus. Well, as we all know, Sony

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<v Speaker 2>owns the rights to Spider I wasn't confused. Many of

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<v Speaker 2>the characters are you talking about the audience? Are me

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<v Speaker 2>the audience? But there are several Spider Man shows on

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<v Speaker 2>Disney Plus skew and ones that have been created in

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<v Speaker 2>the last decade, So it is a little bizarre that

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<v Speaker 2>this one gets bumped out to Amazon. And that's because

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<v Speaker 2>Sony Pictures Television has an exclusive global distribution and development

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<v Speaker 2>deal with Amazon MGM Studios. So because Onny owns the

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<v Speaker 2>cinematic rights to the Spider Man character, they license their

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<v Speaker 2>live action spin offs to platforms outside of Disney.

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<v Speaker 1>And MGM Studio. They love old stuff, so this is

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<v Speaker 1>a right up the rally.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose Disney could have bought this, but they would

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<v Speaker 2>have been essentially bidding against themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think they also try to not buy things

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<v Speaker 1>that is not in their universe or does not fold

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<v Speaker 1>into universe more than they already are, because we're already

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<v Speaker 1>super confused. Like get this. They have a character named

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<v Speaker 1>Winston who shares a screen with an actor who played

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<v Speaker 1>someone named Winston.

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<v Speaker 2>Adding to the confusion of this all. Most of us

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<v Speaker 2>were first introduced to Spider Noir in Spider Man, the

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<v Speaker 2>Spider Verse movies, the two movies we've seen him in.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not the same character, not as that Spider

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<v Speaker 2>Noir in the Spider Verse movies. This character is merely

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<v Speaker 2>inspired by that character.

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<v Speaker 1>So what they told us is this is the same character. Not.

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<v Speaker 2>We open the very first shot, the very versa line

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<v Speaker 2>of dialogue is someone once asked me what universe just was,

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<v Speaker 2>which implies it is tied in to the multiverse. But

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't the Spider Noir we know. And we also

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<v Speaker 2>get gou As I mentioned, he's not Peter Parker, He's

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<v Speaker 2>named Ben Riley, Traditionally, Spider and Noir is a Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Parker variant. He's also called the Spider and not spider

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<v Speaker 2>Man because they can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot like Gotham. Gotham couldn't use certain words

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<v Speaker 1>or characters.

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<v Speaker 2>And the middle note here? Should I save that for spoilers?

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<v Speaker 1>What's your middle note? Now? Save it for spoilers?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Say it for spoilers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not really a spoiler.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a couple of spoiler free notes that I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to share. First and foremost cigarettes are cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Cigarettes are cool in the nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirties, watching shows like this, watching mad Men, say to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we've regressed, because people back then look a lot cooler.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently the show is set roughly in nineteen thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>as well, so it's the Great Depression. People are drinking

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<v Speaker 2>and smoking away their sorrows, and I think that's very fritt.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get to the main argument that I think people

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<v Speaker 1>have had when discussing this show and how to watch,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is you have two options.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you click on the show before the show starts,

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<v Speaker 2>it gives you the two options that you could select,

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<v Speaker 2>and it gives you ten seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get into that second. I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>into that in one second as well. So black and white,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's true hue color correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, true hue color or black and white.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So first off, on my old ass TV in

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<v Speaker 1>my bedroom, the app for this did not even give

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<v Speaker 1>me the option, and it just started playing it in color. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And for the first three episodes, I spent most of

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<v Speaker 1>the time on my phone trying to figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to put it in black and white?

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<v Speaker 2>Was your TV not good enough for it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not good enough? And then pretty much an it's

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<v Speaker 1>like every five to ten minutes, i'd pause it and

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<v Speaker 1>go back and like, I must be doing something wrong here.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to put this in black and white. And

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<v Speaker 1>my wife's like, I don't want to watch it in

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<v Speaker 1>black and white, and I'm like, you don't understand. This

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<v Speaker 1>is shot to be seen in black and white. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know that, and I'm like, I this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I fucking do. I read stupid shit about stupid shows.

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<v Speaker 1>You can also tell by the lighting on the show

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<v Speaker 1>by the makeup. The makeup is caked on to glisten

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<v Speaker 1>in that black and white camera and seeing Nicholas Cage's

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<v Speaker 1>glistening face and color, I couldn't do it anymore. I

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<v Speaker 1>needed it in black and white, and by episode four

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that if I went and got an old

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<v Speaker 1>Roku stick and I plug that in, that would work.

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<v Speaker 1>Once that starts working, my wife's like, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>should just watch it in color, and because I was

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<v Speaker 1>so passionate about it, she stopped caring, so he watched

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<v Speaker 1>it in black and white.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, listen.

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<v Speaker 1>It was my review of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>It was created this the whole noir thing, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>theme of the character is based around this black and

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<v Speaker 2>white theme. And it looks good in black and white,

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<v Speaker 2>like it certainly does. I was astonished by how much

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<v Speaker 2>better it looked at it does. Expecting it to look

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<v Speaker 2>awkward and weird, it looks great.

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<v Speaker 1>So I will look credit for in color. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like when you take an old episode of I Love

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<v Speaker 1>Lucy and you're like, hey, the chocolate factory thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>in color, Now go and check that out. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like when you add the color after So it did

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<v Speaker 1>have that cool look to it, but having watched both

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<v Speaker 1>black and white, I think stood out way more as better.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I I'm the opposite. Having watched both, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that this show shines more and it's superhero moments, the

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<v Speaker 2>Powers moments with the color. Because your three bags here, Goo,

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<v Speaker 2>you have Megawatt, Tombstone, and Sandman. It was really hard

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<v Speaker 2>to like see their abilities and watch them do stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in the black.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that adds to the appeal of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it adds to the kish of it, and it

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<v Speaker 1>adds to it's supposed to look kind of awkward and

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<v Speaker 1>bad like it would have been shot in the nineteen thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree. That's what I liked about is that

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of looked a little wonky, and I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was a part of the appeal.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it looks a lot better in color,

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<v Speaker 2>not that it looks bad in black and white. It

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<v Speaker 2>looks good. I think it just looks a lot better

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<v Speaker 2>in color.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, just check out Lamour and Morris's first

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<v Speaker 1>scene just to know what his suit looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>But they like they the colors look great. Kuo. That's

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think I'd ever come away with this takeaway

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<v Speaker 2>from the show, but that's we're both most passionate about

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<v Speaker 2>this over anything else in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Lamour and Morris skinned the snick couch and made a

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<v Speaker 1>suit out of it. Get that in, Take that in,

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<v Speaker 1>but then swap it over to black and white, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're all said, I think there.

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<v Speaker 2>Was only like three or four shots in the whole

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<v Speaker 2>season that really really stood out in black and white.

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<v Speaker 2>The other ninety percent of the show looked much better

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<v Speaker 2>in color. This show clearly designed to be like a

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<v Speaker 2>crime detective investigation mystery, wasn't that because the audience knows everything.

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<v Speaker 2>The audience knows more than the main characters, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously a choice. I think it's bad writing, though in

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<v Speaker 2>this instance, I think it's bad writing. I think if

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<v Speaker 2>we had been surprised a couple of times, that would

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<v Speaker 2>have been pretty great. There's really there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>small reveals in this show that really just round out

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of characters. But there's no like Aha, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think in a noir, a crime, a drama, you

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<v Speaker 2>need something like that, and it's missing that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my biggest issue with the show that might

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<v Speaker 1>take some dogs away is and I'm not sure how

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<v Speaker 1>you fix this, because you would need a time machine

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<v Speaker 1>because I want Nicholas Cage in this character. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>just wish he was ten to fifteen years younger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Nicholas Cage is sixty two years old old. Goo uh.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, this is the first episodic TV series

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<v Speaker 2>for Nick Cage. He discussed how Breaking Battings inspired him

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<v Speaker 2>at sixty two years old. He looks fifty five, sixty

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<v Speaker 2>years old.

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<v Speaker 1>He looks old.

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<v Speaker 2>He needed to look about forty for a character that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably about thirty five. So it's a little miscast in

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<v Speaker 2>that and that in that sense, the.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that you can say is that people back

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<v Speaker 1>then looked like trash.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so maybe sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You can push that. He's smoking out on a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of cigarettes. They drink a lot too, drink a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of brown liquor.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks a lot older than his supposed contemporaries, the

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<v Speaker 2>other people that get powers and all be one.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not trying We're not trying to pile on

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<v Speaker 1>the man. But so even if you just went back,

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<v Speaker 1>was it five years four years to the Unbearable Weight?

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<v Speaker 1>Where if you just had him five years ago, because

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<v Speaker 1>he's starting to have Remember in The Irishman, one of

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<v Speaker 1>our issues was when they deaged Robert de Niro, but

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<v Speaker 1>he still has the old man slump on his back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to say it as I'm trying to say

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<v Speaker 1>as politely as possible, but like you are certain to

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<v Speaker 1>have the old man hump, where even if it was

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<v Speaker 1>just five years ago, I feel like his posture was

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 2>And in that respect too, choosing Nicholas Cage, who's a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty tall fella. Whoever wore the Spider no War costume

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<v Speaker 2>not tall, So there was a little bit of like

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<v Speaker 2>a weird thing where Nicholas Cage tall, Spider Noir not tall.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because the outfit, the costume it was. It was tight,

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<v Speaker 1>super tight. He was wearing a corset. Yeah, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>what else do I have here? Oh? So, what I

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<v Speaker 1>like about it as well is that it's a pretty

0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:47.359
<v Speaker 1>straightforward nineteen thirties detective crime noir and then out of

0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:51.200
<v Speaker 1>nowhere randomly, maybe once or twice per episode, especially once

0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:54.320
<v Speaker 1>we get like three episodes in. Nicholas Cage does like

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:59.560
<v Speaker 1>little Nicholas Cage things, and I'm questioning, I'm curious if

0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:01.880
<v Speaker 1>they make it a little bit weirder, if they let

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<v Speaker 1>Cage Cage out more, would that have been better or

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<v Speaker 1>do we think it would have taken away from the

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<v Speaker 1>show Slash, It wouldn't have made those cageisms as special

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<v Speaker 1>as when he just becomes a spider.

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<v Speaker 2>To your point, I think this show gets bogged down

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 2>a little bit with trying to explain how it's a

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<v Speaker 2>spider Man's show, and in the way of that is

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<v Speaker 2>not allowing Nick Cage to do Nick Cage stuff until

0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.080
<v Speaker 2>episode three or four. So it is at its best

0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.160
<v Speaker 2>when he's going full cage. You want him doing it more,

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<v Speaker 2>though I don't know, because I wanted better writing. I

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 2>wanted a little bit better of a story here, which

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:42.080
<v Speaker 2>also maybe would have prevented the zaniness of Cage. But

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<v Speaker 2>in the few moments that it comes out, it is great.

0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:47.000
<v Speaker 2>And like the scene where he's like drunk and fighting

0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:48.040
<v Speaker 2>is the best scene in.

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:50.160
<v Speaker 1>This Every once in a while he does this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>either physically or the way that he delivers a line,

0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:57.080
<v Speaker 1>or like this like nonchalant cage way about him, and it's,

0:23:57.320 --> 0:23:59.720
<v Speaker 1>like I said, it's few and far between, but it's

0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.320
<v Speaker 1>every time he does it, it's almost laugh out loud.

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So if they did it more, would it take away

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<v Speaker 1>from the couple of times that he did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the other thing here too, And I get

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:12.600
<v Speaker 2>it sort of works in that it's like a nineteen

0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 2>thirties sort of thing, but there's only two characters acting

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:19.760
<v Speaker 2>that way, Mega Watt and Cage. Those are the only

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 2>two guys that are like on that same waveleg. Everyone

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 2>else is not really doing No.

0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 1>They are in the fact that they are.

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Everyone else is playing it pretty strict.

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.800
<v Speaker 1>No, they're talking at a certain speed that you would

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<v Speaker 1>see in movies from that time. So Lamar and Morris

0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:36.800
<v Speaker 1>isn't exactly doing that man man, but he's talking a

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<v Speaker 1>lot faster.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, But what I'm saying is everyone else is playing

0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 2>it straightforward. In Cage and what's his face, Andrew Lewis

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Caldwell are playing They're they're operating on a different plane,

0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:50.200
<v Speaker 2>which kind of works because it's the bigger bad and

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.520
<v Speaker 2>the big good, but it's it's a little jarring at times.

0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I also think that Kat was speaking slower and breathier

0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 1>because that is what Hollywood actress at the time would present.

0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Fully agree, But so when you presenting.

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.639
<v Speaker 2>When you have Cage caging it and you have Megawatt

0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:12.160
<v Speaker 2>going more folk cagean Cage You're like, all right, something's

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna get it.

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 1>And then at one point Lamor is actually doing Cage. Also,

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:21.879
<v Speaker 1>I do want to say that I had to watch

0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:23.640
<v Speaker 1>the show with subtitles.

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 2>I did not need that because there.

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Was at some points where and it was Cage's dialogue

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 1>was kind of mumbling through into other stuff.

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:32.720
<v Speaker 2>No, I think at this point these days, I just

0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 2>try to use context clues. I can't do the sub

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 2>the subtitles.

0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:37.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't even watch the show. I just put my

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>binoculars on and watch the words. What else do we

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:41.680
<v Speaker 1>have here? Was that it? For my notes?

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Wow?

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:44.640
<v Speaker 1>One more time, I want to say, cigarettes are cool?

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Cigarettes are cool?

0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Do we have to put some depression war one Hooverville's.

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh I liked go especially you get to see this

0:25:56.320 --> 0:26:00.520
<v Speaker 2>in color, the webs that Ben Riley shoots a certain

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 2>character to them that you lose in the black and well,

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>get this that you get in the color.

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Hear me out. So the webs are black, right.

0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:08.440
<v Speaker 2>No, they're like a dirty gray.

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dirty gray. You can see that in black and white.

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:13.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you don't have the same texture as you're doing.

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Pretty similar, but that registers in black and white.

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 2>No, I know, But you don't you miss the texture

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 2>that you get in the true hue. And it's also

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:22.920
<v Speaker 2>a n nice little thing because it fits with the

0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 2>character as opposed to like the bright way it looks

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 2>filthy with regularly it does looks gross.

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, Max, so we gets two our nonagone.

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Sure sure, sure fun factor. I had a good amount

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:38.160
<v Speaker 1>of fun watching this style of television. Uh. They really

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:41.439
<v Speaker 1>went all out with the look, and I loved the

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.440
<v Speaker 1>little pieces of Nick cage that we got along the way.

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>And he's having a blast.

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 2>I'll say this. Coming into the show, I expected certain

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 2>things and it mostly hit those marks, but it didn't

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 2>really exceed them. It didn't go above and beyond like

0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:58.119
<v Speaker 2>I was hoping it to be the most fun and

0:26:58.200 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 2>it was just decently.

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.359
<v Speaker 1>Fun because I was also expecting almost nothing out of

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 1>the action in this show, and I thought it was okay.

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 2>There was two or three very good fight scenes.

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, satisfactor. Like you said, the solving of crimes wasn't

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 1>really there. But I do like where we ended at

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the end of the year, end of the episodes.

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I agree. There's there's also a weird parallel to draw

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.440
<v Speaker 2>here between what we've seen from the Daredevil series. It's

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 2>a lot of similar thematics in what Ben Riley and

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Matt Murdock have had to sort of get to. This

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:34.639
<v Speaker 2>wasn't that satisfying, But I'm also not annoyed or upset

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 2>by anything, if that makes sense. Like I didn't have

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:40.160
<v Speaker 2>the highest of expectations, but I was hoping that maybe

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 2>it would blow my expectations out of the water.

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I also love that the characters still had this like

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:49.639
<v Speaker 1>naivete about Ben Riley being friends with the Spider the

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>entire time. Hey tell him, Miss tell him this borometer.

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't bored at all.

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:58.360
<v Speaker 2>A little bit those first those first two or three episodes.

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>It's a little boring. It's a little boring Halloween. Will

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 1>this show wayne over time? I'm curious. Are they going

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 1>to do a season two?

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That's a good question. To that point,

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I think I like this show more than I did

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:12.719
<v Speaker 2>two days ago. The more I'm thinking about it, the

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 2>more I'm seeing other people talk about it, I think

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 2>I like it a little bit more than I did

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 2>what I binged it, which is why I love binging,

0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>because you have it it's like a movie. You get

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 2>to sit with it. You get to think about it

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 2>instead of having to wait two and a half months

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 2>to maybe be disappointed.

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Ah, Quater World. Is this better or worse than the

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety five classic water World? I think it is.

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 2>It is better.

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.439
<v Speaker 1>When life gives you Plemings. You take Jesse and you

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>squeeze him real fucking tight and you get all those

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>juices out of him. Who do you believe gave a

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Plemmens like performance and not a lot of time on screen.

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Mac So that's an interesting one because there's a lot

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 2>of meaningful characters in this show, but none of them

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 2>particularly dominate the show other than Nick Cage and Legion,

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Lee and I Guess a little more and Morris. That's

0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 2>the three. Cara Rodriguez Janet Room was really good, but

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to not come away loving Andrew Lewis Caldwell

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:09.400
<v Speaker 2>as Megawatt. He's just preposterous every time.

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I can see either loving or hating him.

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, having an opinion either way, because he's doing what

0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 2>you thought a lot of the characters would be doing,

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 2>but it's just him in Nick Cage's doing.

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 1>It, Max credit Union, who are you giving credit too?

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I got to give credit to Brendan Gleeson a Silver Maine.

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 2>I made this work and I thought he was gonna

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 2>be as zany as you know Megawatt, But he has

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 2>this cool, calm, old school gangster thing that you beat,

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 2>you buy into, you believe, and he's honestly as much

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 2>as we love Cage doing Cage stuff, Mega Wat's being crazy,

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 2>Brendan Gleeson is what makes the show go.

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I also want to give the character credit. He has

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 1>a cane and doesn't necessarily need it.

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a weapon.

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Pantstown City Excite bike Mania. What got you going from

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 1>this show?

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 2>First of all, the opening shot of the web slinging

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 2>in New York City was great. There's a couple of

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:06.479
<v Speaker 2>great fight scenes in this series. I don't know if

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 2>it ever went full pants tent, but it tried. It

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>tried a couple of times.

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I would say the bar fight and then there's a.

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Bar fight's my favorite scene from Well.

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 1>There's one piece of action from the final episode that

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and once again, the action in general, I was not

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 1>expecting anything from so I think just my low expectations

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 1>going into it made me appreciate it more.

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Sure, I understand that hot.

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Dog Man, hot Dog man hot dog can Nicholas Kate

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>loves do dogs on this show. He loves hot dogs.

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Better than a what does he say than a hot

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 2>dog at the ballpark?

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Would you rather have a hot dog at the ballpark

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 1>or a roast beef at a thing?

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? There you go.

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Well what that means is sometimes the simpler things in

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>life are better than getting albougie.

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah there you go.

0:30:56.520 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>So Mac, I really enjoyed this show. I love the

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 1>black and white look of it. I didn't mind h No,

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really care for when I did watch in

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the true hue, I did it. I appreciate them going

0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 1>for it though. I appreciate them giving me both options,

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and with the color option, not just giving us like

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>normal looking. They really made it pop. I really liked

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>the cast. I liked how everyone played their characters. I

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 1>thought that the episode lengths were great. I thought the

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>pacing was great. I really appreciate everyone here diving full

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>out into what the aesthetic of this show is, eating

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 1>ketchup sandwiches, orange suits, the daily bugle stuff I thought

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>was really really fun. But more than anything is I

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 1>thought Nicholas Cage, while I would have liked him five

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>to ten to fifteen years younger. Once again, he carries

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 1>this show and he's having a good time. I'm having

0:31:56.960 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>a good time. Thirty five hot dogs. I don't think

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>this is quite a nine out of ten. It's a

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 1>tick below. But I thought what they gave us. I'm

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>not sure if I necessarily need a season two. I

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>would absolutely watch a season two. But I had a

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 1>really fun time with this.

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I knew you would. I figured you would. I was

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 2>hoping I was gonna have a good time as you did.

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.479
<v Speaker 2>I had a solid time like it. It does a

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 2>lot of things well. It does most things well. The characters,

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 2>the casting was great, The acting is great. However, I

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>like the story sucks. I like the stories. It's not

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 2>very good.

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:36.959
<v Speaker 1>It's simple, I want to hear me again. Simple.

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I almost needed more of the World War One stuff

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 2>and less of the current time stuff.

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Now, oh, I all spoilers. Put that in spoilers.

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 2>I also needed just a little more punch as to

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 2>the villain, because you're almost you're almost rooting for Gleason.

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 2>He's so good a silver man. You're like, you know,

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 2>you're not really like, uh, what's your name? Kat? Hardy

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 2>is almost it's more of a villain than anyone else,

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 2>is she? I don't know. It's a good question.

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 1>I think forty.

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd guess forty ish. I had fun with the characters.

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I had a decent amount of fun with the season.

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I wish the story was a lot better. So you

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 2>you were like smacked out between forty plus B plus

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 2>A minus. I was thinking C plus B minus, So

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll give it thirty one hot dogs, which when I

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 2>finished this season, like three or four days ago, I

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 2>was thinking like twenty nine to thirty. So I've come

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>up a little bit. I could see myself getting to

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 2>thirty two like baseline good. I just wish I expected

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 2>about what we got, but I was hoping for more,

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 2>and I'm okay, I'd be happy if they made a

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 2>season two. They did lay the groundwork for some pretty

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>compelling characters. I just wanted a little bit more out

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 2>of this.

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Could you imagine being her and he's just sitting there, Yeah,

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I have this one cop and then another cop is dirty.

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I can think and make you a drink, don't worry

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>about it, And she just says to herself, I want

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 1>to kiss this man.

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Spilers, spoilers, spilers, spoilers so good. Yes, My favorite scene

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:11.759
<v Speaker 2>in the whole series, the whole season, outside of the

0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 2>drunk bar fight, is when he finally reveals to Uh

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 2>it's a Janet, that he's the Spider and she's like, yeah,

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.800
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know you montage like the thirteen times

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 2>that he's told her when he was hammered that that

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 2>was the more stuff that they do do more in

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 2>the second half of the season. I wanted more of

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that fun playing around in that arena than what we

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 2>got because when we were harping on the Cat and

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Flint stuff, it was just like, all right, yeah, I

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 2>get here for this.

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.800
<v Speaker 1>The issue with Cat she is a rat and pretty

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:50.920
<v Speaker 1>much everything that she does on this show is so telegraphed. Yeah,

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna run away with you. We know you're not. Yeah,

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>when she's sitting in the window, You're like, I bet

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 1>she's gonna jump out of the window.

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 1>When Oh, by the way, I did like the Nicholas

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Cage scheme. Nicholas Cage wrote this, I'm assuming the scheme

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:06.359
<v Speaker 1>of putting the red dots on the money. Yeah, and

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 1>he got the uh he got the right hand man killed.

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>That was when I was like, fuck, I like that.

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:11.919
<v Speaker 2>That was good.

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I like that a lot.

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>So the two biggest reveals we get in this series

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>is that Ben's fiance Ruby was murdered by her ex husband,

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:26.919
<v Speaker 2>who Ben basically put in jail put away, and he

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.440
<v Speaker 2>missed saving her because he's a drug astle. Uh So

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 2>he lives with this guilt. He gave up this spider

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 2>mantle because he was living with all this guilt and

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 2>the loss of Ruby. And I felt like, personally, none

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 2>of that hit. It was just like, because.

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 1>You are a responsible person who never lets anyone die.

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 2>No, it just it's just I wish maybe if they

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.359
<v Speaker 2>had established Ruby a little bit or we had like

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 2>she was just like.

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Well to it. And then she she calls him a

0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 1>funny word in his mind? What did she call him? Like, Oh,

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:03.880
<v Speaker 1>what do you do in your big wil It was

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a nineteen thirty slang word. Oh you know what I

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 1>did like is when he got the suit back.

0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that was good. When he pretends to be the janitor,

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh my.

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>God, I wish. I wish they showed some kind of

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:18.280
<v Speaker 1>a sexual scene between that wife and husband.

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:20.439
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was Aya Cash. By the way, right away,

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 2>she has an.

0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Aya cash feel, but she's really annoyed by the husband,

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 1>So like, that's why I would have I would have

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>loved to have seen something of like he's a bit

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 1>like make love.

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 2>When they cut back to that couple outside watching the fight,

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:33.320
<v Speaker 2>that was a good scene.

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:35.120
<v Speaker 1>But I'm thinking he's one of those guys who was

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 1>like it's in.

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Good We get to reveal that are four or five

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 2>six powered people that we're dealing with in this season

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:47.040
<v Speaker 2>all got their powers from the same POW camp in

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:51.240
<v Speaker 2>France where the Germans were test running experiments on POW's

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:52.719
<v Speaker 2>with animals in sex.

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 1>So now I'm picturing that fella going up to Spider

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 1>new Arm, like, Spider, do you think you can have

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 1>sex with my wife? You want me to anger? Why

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 1>if while you watch me man spider cuck situation, the

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Spider cuck situation. She's definitely into him though, Oh for sure,

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>that's why they should have had a cuck scene in this.

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:17.879
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:19.840
<v Speaker 1>The biggest reveal take away a hot dog.

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 2>In this season comes in what episode six where you

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 2>get the reveal that they were all in that all

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 2>POW's that five?

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I think five because then six was the operation scene, right.

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:33.880
<v Speaker 2>And so I I really liked operating in that realm.

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:35.880
<v Speaker 2>That was I think when the when the season was

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 2>at its best, and then by the finale, to your point,

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 2>everything's very telegraphed, you know exactly how it's gonna happen.

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:45.880
<v Speaker 1>A wonderful jump scare, a wonderful little surprise when he

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 1>pulls the blanket up and you think like, oh, this

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 1>guy is just he's sitting in a bed, he's diseased,

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's pretty much this mutant spider with a half

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 1>man face. Yeah, that's like in Breaking Bad when you

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 1>think that he's fine and he turns and he's missing

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:06.280
<v Speaker 1>half his face. They showed the rest of the face

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and the body and I jumped them like, oh that's disgusting.

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Holy lord.

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.919
<v Speaker 2>I you know, it's a small it's a good little

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 2>tie in, you know, but that was like the big

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 2>mystery and investigation of the season. And it's over halfway

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 2>through the season, and so from there we're just really

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.920
<v Speaker 2>dealing with Kat trying to save Flint, and it just

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 2>lost steam from me like it had picked up. We

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.400
<v Speaker 2>were riding the high, and the last couple of episodes

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 2>just really not crumble. It's just a lot less enjoyable

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.240
<v Speaker 2>than the middle of the season. So that's that's, honestly

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 2>my biggest gripe, the story not being great because of that.

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into mac sack and mack Sack could be anything.

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>It could be a boat. Jeffrey, I've noticed recently that eleven,

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.800
<v Speaker 1>the number eleven is all it's all over the place. Okay,

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you knew this, but uh, Jalen Brunson,

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 1>New York Knicks, NBA Finals, he weres number eleven. I

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 1>googled this earlier and soccer eleven players on the field,

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 1>that REIFA is coming to Boston football eleven. I said

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 1>to myself, eleven, you're just tossing more numbers at me

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:24.319
<v Speaker 1>right now. I said to myself, what better time than

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>right now not to do a top ten, a blind

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 1>top ten ranking, because that's old. That's shit. Let's crank

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:36.319
<v Speaker 1>this to eleven. I'm gonna throw eleven number eleven's at you,

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 1>eleven and then you blind rank them. Oh shit, all right,

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 1>are you ready for this?

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:44.879
<v Speaker 2>Eleven is a good sports number? Goo, I'll tell you that.

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm gonna start you off with number one. Jalen Brunson,

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 1>where do you rank them?

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:48.879
<v Speaker 2>Eight?

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Three eleven the band, the band, three eleven eleven Edgar

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Martinez better than Brunt and six seven eleven, seven elevens

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 1>three Apollo eleven.

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Was that the one that they landed?

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>That's the moon landing in nineteen sixty nine.

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it actually happened, though, So let's let's

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 2>keep it out of the Rushmore. Let's go five for

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Appollo eleven. This amp goes to pretty good. Four Dante

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Culpepper loved Dante Culpepper. I got seven open. Let's go seven.

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Eleven eleven make a wish nine. Back in the year

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty oh four, wide receivers were allowed to start wearing

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 1>number eleven. Players like Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams and Reggie

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Williams followed that up. So wide receivers wearing number eleven.

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I have two. I have three numbers left right, one,

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 2>two and ten. Yes, okay, wide receivers being able to

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:50.319
<v Speaker 2>wear eleven. I'm gonna put that at two, four one, one.

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh great information line. Well we'll put that at ten and.

0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Then finally your number one for best elevens nine to eleven.

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:07.360
<v Speaker 2>All right, read the route Mount Rushmore. It's a very

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>fitting Mount Rushmore.

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:15.799
<v Speaker 1>You're a mount Rushmore of best elevens. This amp goes

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 1>to Yeah, seven eleven wide receivers wearing number eleven in

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the NFL and at number one, your top eleven, nine

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:25.720
<v Speaker 1>to eleven.

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think you could write it any better

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:29.399
<v Speaker 2>than that, better script than Spider War.

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I am curious if did you just did you forget

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 1>about it?

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Nine to eleven?

0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 2>I knew you had a banger coming up. I just

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't know what it was.

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:38.919
<v Speaker 1>You're like, I'm gonna hold for number one right here,

0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 1>But that's Mac's favorite eleven.

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I always put seven eleven at number one, which still

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:46.359
<v Speaker 2>would have put nine to eleven at three. But what

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 2>are you gonna do?

0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 1>All right? So comment down below? Mac. Where can the

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<v Speaker 1>folks find us?

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:54.640
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0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:16.560
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0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:18.440
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0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 1>of the week, maybe we'll do some low budget horror

0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>oo spooky spooky?

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen Obsession yet?

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna see it in the next couple of days.

0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping to see it tomorrow.

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I would like to do that. And I think I'm

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:46.360
<v Speaker 1>going to see back rooms too.

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I also have It's a big week for me, goo.

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I have a dentist appointment in my yearly physical this week,

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 2>So big week for me.

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Do you think you make it out alive?

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. We'll see after the dentist appointment. Who

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 2>you never know? You never know?

0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 1>In there comment down a lot. How many cavities does

0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>mac have? How did you have right now? How many feelings?

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't at least three. I haven't had one in forever.

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:09.839
<v Speaker 2>I remember getting three or four as a kid.

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I have three and then one of

0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.320
<v Speaker 1>them they legit cut one of the like the tooth

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:16.160
<v Speaker 1>off and then they put a cap over it.

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah you got you got a crown and post

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:20.759
<v Speaker 2>following a roote. Yeah. I have one of those as

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:22.880
<v Speaker 2>well up here. So if that counts as one, I

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 2>guess right? Or is that beyond?

0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:26.440
<v Speaker 1>You know what? You should ask the dentist about what's that?

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Gold teeth?

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:27.719
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:32.200
<v Speaker 1>All gold teeth? No, not one all gold No, can't

0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 1>afford it. As the dentist about wooden teeth.

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:37.439
<v Speaker 2>You know what we're like, we came up five years

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:40.400
<v Speaker 2>too area because the fillings these days are just tooth colored.

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:42.839
<v Speaker 2>When we were real young, it was still metal. And

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 2>then you remember if you were to chew a gum wrapper,

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.720
<v Speaker 2>a metal gum wrapper rapper, you would it would like hurt.

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:50.839
<v Speaker 2>What is that pain?

0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:53.479
<v Speaker 1>If you were chewing a paper clip, it would hurt?

0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, which I need to know the science behind that.

0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I never understood it.

0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, do our research and we'll come back on Thursday.

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:03.759
<v Speaker 2>All right, all right? I actually we had someone chime

0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:06.759
<v Speaker 2>in about the THHC and the cold brew, which thank

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:08.760
<v Speaker 2>you for that information. Someone chime in about the metal

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 2>on metal in the mouth.

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:13.440
<v Speaker 1>There Tuesdays are goosdays. I abus kangaroos a Tam Burton.

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Bye.

0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Please flip the cassette over to side B to continue

0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the adventure. Now it's time for girls jumping on worms.