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Doesn't it feel cozy in here? Coach? 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 2: It's just so nasty outside. You come in here. 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: It's so nicely, it's so nice. It's really this is 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: the best thing. This is good. 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 15 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: Good. Where's our where's our partner? 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: Partner is doing a little pre holiday vacation. Nice. Yeah, 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: you know we're kind of tag team into December. 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 4: You know, he takes some time off and I'll take 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 4: some time off, and he's gonna take some lot. 20 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: I'm gonna they let you do it too. 21 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 22 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 4: Not just no, no, not just him No, that's that's 23 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 4: that's definitely in a conference, Okay, no question about it. Well, coach, 24 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 4: I mean, what do you make of a game like 25 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 4: you saw on Sunday twenty six to nothing. 26 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: And I mean we've seen. 27 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 4: Games before where quarterbacks that just have no business being 28 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 4: in the NFL thrust into a situation where they're starting. 29 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,639 Speaker 4: But this was about as bad as it as it gets. 30 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 4: And honestly, the Vikings have only themselves to blame for 31 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 4: the situation that they're in because they could add a 32 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 4: lot better quarterback like they had last year. 33 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: Well, I just think how they're thinking, how they're feeling. 34 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: You know, they're seeing their other quarterback playing against them, 35 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: and then another one is playing doing a really good 36 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: job for another team. But now they're playing with this 37 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: young man. And you know, there are other teams that 38 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: have had to play backup quarterbacks. We've all seen it, 39 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: sure for a long time. I'd never seen anything quite 40 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: like that. I really haven't. Wow, you know, it's uh 41 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 3: And I felt bad for the young guy, you know, Yeah, 42 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: but he's going against a really good defense and then 43 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: in Minnesota's defense kept him in the game early. You know, 44 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 3: they look good too against the Seahawks, but they were 45 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: never going to score any points. And you could just 46 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: see I was looking at the watching on television and 47 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: seeing the coach, his facial his feeling. You could you 48 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: could feel the feeling. Yes, Jefferson, when they looked at 49 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: him on the sideline, you just saw they're going, They're 50 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: just going, this is get me out of here. You know, 51 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: this is awful. 52 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 4: I feel like Max Brosmer, you know, forty years from 53 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 4: now is going to be He's going to have his 54 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 4: five year old grand kid on his lap and. 55 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: He's going to say, you know, I played in the NFL. 56 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: You did what did did? Did you ever start? 57 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 4: Yeah? 58 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: I started a game. Did you throw a touchdown? 59 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? 60 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually threw a touchdown, but he probably won't 61 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 4: tell him it was till the other team. 62 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: It was the only touchdown pass throw. How about that? 63 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 4: Like, what would you say to a quarterback that threw 64 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 4: like a It was almost an underhanded side arms like 65 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 4: he's playing Beambag toss with with Ernest Jones. 66 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 3: Yeah. It uh. Even with having not having a lot 67 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 3: of experience playing he did certainly in college. He played 68 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: a lot in college, and he practiced and there are 69 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 3: rules and there's fundamental things that you don't do. And 70 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: that was just and that's that's actually that set the 71 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: tone for the game. It was three to nothing at 72 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: that point, and they could have kicked the field goal. 73 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 4: I thought they should have kicked the field even beforehand, 74 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 4: before the interception, I thought like, why aren't they just 75 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 4: taking points? 76 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: And goes three to three? That's right because the defense, 77 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: their defense was playing well. But then to do what 78 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: he did. What I I my feeling if that had happened, 79 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 3: because you know, we've talked about Brett on the show 80 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 3: before and he would do some crazy things and I 81 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: they've they've showed on TV sometimes and I kind of 82 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: talked to him about it the but you just go 83 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 3: you feel bad, You feel bad for him, but you 84 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: feel you can't do that. And that's probably what I 85 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: would have said. You have to understand the situation. You 86 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: cannot do that. What just happened. Don't do it again, 87 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: you know, don't you learn from this? And but it 88 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: set the tone for the rest of the game. 89 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: Really, I don't think he's gonna get the opportunity to 90 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: do it again. 91 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: To be hers, I don't know who's gonna play. 92 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 4: JJ's playing this week. He was, Yeah, he's he's good 93 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 4: to go this week. Not that he's that much better, 94 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 4: but he's he is better than Max brozem Er, that's 95 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 4: for sure. But when you have a situation like that, 96 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: let's talk about you as an offensive play call, because 97 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 4: I thought, I thought Clint Kubiak did a really nice 98 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 4: job in the second half realizing what his defense was 99 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 4: doing to the other offense, and he was just like, 100 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 4: I'm just shutting this puppy down. 101 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: Like, at what point do you just tell your offense? 102 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: You know what? 103 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 4: I know, my job is the score points, but I 104 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 4: also want to be safe too, because the other team's 105 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 4: not getting to ten today. 106 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I I find it hard to believe that that 107 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: would enter into his thought process, honestly. Okay, because his 108 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: job during the game is to move the football. Now 109 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: you might transfer a little bit for a little bit 110 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: less passing and more running and right, which I think 111 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: they did to a certain extent, but yeah, you you 112 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 3: you got the feeling, and then the head coach might 113 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 3: say something to him, you know that, you know, he 114 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: Glint has his job, and then the head coach has 115 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 3: to say, okay, tone it down, now, let's keep it on. 116 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 3: Let's keep it basically on the ground, you know whatever, 117 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: whatever the coach would say, knowing that what you just 118 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: said that there's no way they can score on us 119 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: and touch us. 120 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 4: The one complain and of course here we are, you know, 121 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 4: talk show holtes. We got to complain about something, right, 122 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 4: and at twenty six nothing lost. You know how we 123 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 4: worked right? When you were coaching, you could win, you 124 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 4: could win thirty to nothing. A coach, what'd you do? 125 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: Know? 126 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: But I think I think. 127 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 4: It's a complaint that a lot of Seahawks fans have 128 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 4: had the last few weeks, particularly since the Rams game, 129 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 4: because we saw clock management rear its ugly head at 130 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: the end of the Rams game and again at. 131 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: The end of this first half. 132 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 4: I'll just kind of reset the scene for you and 133 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 4: for the listeners. Brosmer's sacked with a minute fifty five left. 134 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 4: Seattle does not take a timeout, so Minnesota punts and 135 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 4: Seattle doesn't receive the punt until there's one oh five left. 136 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 4: They don't run an offensive play until there's fifty eight 137 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: seconds left. Then they run a first down Zach Charboney 138 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 4: run off the guard for nine yards, and they again 139 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 4: don't use a timeout, So they snapped the ball with 140 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 4: thirty nine seconds left for an incomplete pass, a thirty 141 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 4: six second run for one yard. 142 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: Then they take a time out with twenty three seconds left. 143 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 4: They don't take their first time out n till there's 144 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: twenty three seconds left. I'm screaming in my in the 145 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 4: stands Coach. I'm sure you could hear me. I don't 146 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 4: know if Kubiak and Donald could hear me, but I 147 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 4: was going, what are we doing here? 148 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: Like? 149 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: How take us through the thought process of what's going 150 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: on there? 151 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: The only thing I can think of is that they 152 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: wanted to be very careful that Minnesota wouldn't get the 153 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: ball back. Having said that, it sounds crazy because they 154 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: couldn't move, you know, but I'm just saying that there's 155 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: no other reason. There's no other reason to do it 156 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: that way. You know, take your time out, settle down, 157 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: call your plays, don't waste that much time. Did they 158 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: wind up kicking a long field goal? Yes, yes so, 159 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: but no that's you have to be more aware of 160 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: the clock and in clock management in that situation. I 161 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: think they did it poorly. 162 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 4: We've talked about Sam Darnold all year long. He had 163 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 4: a great start. The last four games have been much bumpier. 164 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 4: There's no question about that. I mean, last four games 165 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: is about sixty percent completion, three touchdowns, five interceptions, and 166 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: a couple of field or a couple of dinner humbles 167 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 4: rather but three of those games were blowout wins, so 168 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 4: we really didn't have to do anything special. So how 169 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 4: do you evaluate Darnald under those circumstances. We're in three 170 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: of those games. I mean, you're up three touchdowns. It's 171 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 4: like there's not a lot of weight on his shoulders. 172 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think. You know, I've been an advocate 173 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: for him since day one, and I think he is 174 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: doing a good job. But I think he'll be judged. 175 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 3: He'll be judged at the end of the year by 176 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: where they wind up. And statistically, you know, he hasn't 177 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 3: he thrown for They didn't throw for many yards last 178 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: week because maybe what we talked about before, maybe they 179 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 3: just toned it down, said we're gonna run it out 180 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: and get out of here. You know. But he people 181 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: be critical of his decision making at times. Ever since 182 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: the four interception game. Yep, that was the thing that 183 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 3: set people off to analyze it more. And I would 184 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: just question it. Just take a breath, slow down. He 185 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 3: will be judged on the next five games. He'll be 186 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: judged on the forty nine er game, the Ram game, 187 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: certainly on Thursday night. And if he can take care 188 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: of business with the teams we think they can beat. 189 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 4: How do you think he'll do in those games in 190 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 4: the like Rams forty nine ers, when you know what 191 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 4: hits the fan and you got to win those two 192 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 4: games to win the division to get the number one seeds. 193 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have faith in him. Now, maybe I'm being 194 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: an optimist, you know, but if I have faith in 195 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: him and he's he's shown enough to me as at 196 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 3: the quarterback position on certain throws. Okay, now he's also 197 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: shown some other things to other people on other throws. 198 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: So but I'm going to stick with him for right now. 199 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 4: He's shown in a cluttered pocket to be a little 200 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 4: bit skittish, I guess is the right word. 201 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: So as a play caller, how do you help your 202 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: quarterback out. 203 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 4: When you know he's not the most Like when he 204 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 4: gets a clean pocket, he is lights out. But when 205 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: he gets a cluttered pocket, I mean his numbers against 206 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 4: the blitz, his passer rating goes down. It's like I 207 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 4: want to say, it's like one oh seven. 208 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: No, it's like one. 209 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 4: Eleven to seventy seven between blitz and non blitz. When 210 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 4: the pocket is cluttered, he struggles. So what do you 211 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 4: do as a play caller to help him out there? 212 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 3: I think you try, and you try and set up 213 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: the third down situation so you don't have to drop 214 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: back all the time in the pocket and do that. 215 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 3: And you guys teach me all the time I run 216 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: the drawing third down. Yeah, you know, but I mean 217 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: you know you can. You can take some of the 218 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: pressure off of him. By I always say throw it 219 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: on a running down and run on a passing down, 220 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: and that takes some of the pressure off the quarterback. 221 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: You know. So play action pass. I would like to 222 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: see more play action pass. Now that Walker and Sharbyonnay 223 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 3: really did it showed really I thought they showed some 224 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: good stuff. Are now use that, use that, use the 225 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: fullback more. Get the snap from center, play action pass, 226 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 3: get the ball for completions. You know Cup as an example, 227 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: I think Cup really understand. He's really smart, and you 228 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 3: know he'll find the open area and do the right thing. 229 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: We're out wise against most defenses and you almost have 230 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: you almost say I got a completion there, I got 231 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: a completion. We just make the play, bring him up, 232 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: throw it to him. They're doubling, they're taking, they're trying 233 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 3: to take away of injigum, you know, which is a 234 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: smart thing to do, and they really did. Other guys 235 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: are going to be open, and so that's how I 236 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: would do it. I would use the play action game 237 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: and then maybe pass on first down, pass on first down, 238 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 3: then run on second now, you know, just kind of 239 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 3: mix up it up how you're doing things. 240 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 4: Well, before we talk about this week's game against Atlanta, 241 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 4: I gotta get your take on on and we alluded 242 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 4: to it at the beginning, but what Minnesota did at 243 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 4: their quarterback position and just giving the job to a 244 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: rookie that's essentially a rookie spent his whole rookie year hurt, 245 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 4: not taking one snap. I just I feel like there's 246 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 4: a difference between a second year quarterback who was the 247 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 4: backup the whole first year taking snaps, practicing that versus 248 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 4: a second year quarterback that never did anything year number one. 249 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're exactly right. I mean he didn't play, so 250 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 3: you can't say, oh, he's ready, You can't say that, right. 251 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: You hope it and you can kind of believe it, 252 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: but you can't really say it because he hasn't played. Now. 253 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: What they got, what hurt them is they had the 254 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 3: two veteran quarterbacks there, and to keep them. 255 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: Jones and Donald. 256 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: Jones and Donald, they were gonna have to pay him, 257 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: and then you have the other guy. You say, Okay, 258 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: maybe JJ McCarthy's not ready now, but in two years, 259 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: as you see teams do that all the time, in 260 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 3: two years, he's ready, and then you say goodbye to 261 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: the to the veteran guy. They weren't in that position. 262 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: They had to make the decision if they signed Darnold 263 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 3: to a longer contract or pay him or Jones. Then 264 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 3: they got McCarthy watching for a couple of years, you know. 265 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 4: But that's been the green Bay way. Have your guy 266 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: watched for a while and now it works for him, it's. 267 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely green Bay way. But you can't you can only 268 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 3: send him for two years. Yep, you know, he got 269 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: to be ready to play in three years. I always 270 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 3: thought that was the way to go, But you're right, 271 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: Green Bay has done. Think of that. They've had three 272 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 3: quarterbacks for a long, long stretch of good football. And 273 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: if you can find that guy now, the guy you 274 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: release who can still play, the veteran quarterback who who 275 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: you got to do something with. Farv did it, Aaron 276 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: Rodgers did it. It's tough that that's a hard decision 277 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: to make. 278 00:13:58,559 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 2: Well, And Green. 279 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 4: Bay's got a cornerback in love that having a pretty 280 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 4: good year there eight three and one. And I think 281 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 4: probably the only reason that he's having a good year 282 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 4: is because he was able to sit for as long 283 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 4: as he did and watch right. 284 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: And watch you know you're right. And I don't know 285 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: the vikings. It'd be interesting to talk to o'donald O'Connell 286 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: and see what see it, because I watched his faded 287 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: a happy camper during the game. But and then I 288 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: wont now I said this earlier, and I probably I'll 289 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 3: probably get emails and things about this, But their general 290 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 3: I want after that. I looked up I wanted to 291 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: read about their front office and who might have made 292 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: that decision or they've pushed it right. And their general 293 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: manager is a guy who had been with the forty 294 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 3: nine ers, and it turned out reading his bile and 295 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: everything and he's smart guy, very intelligent, but his his heat, 296 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 3: the star category of his is an analytics and oh 297 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: my favorite. I saw my favorite. So I read that. 298 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: I read that turned off my computer, slammed my book 299 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: on the dail and said, okay that you just answered 300 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: my question. Somebody handed him a bunch of numbers said 301 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: you should do this. 302 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 4: Oh god, it reared its uglyhead again this last week. 303 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 4: Did you see what our old friend Kaylin de Boor 304 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 4: did with Alabama? Kaitlin Bor and Ryan Grubb. No, the 305 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 4: Auburn Alabama rivalry and if Alabama loses, they're done, and 306 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 4: it's twenty to twenty with three minutes left to go 307 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 4: in the game, and they don't kick a go ahead 308 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 4: field goal at the five yard line. 309 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: Instead they go for it, but they end up making it. 310 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'm. 311 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 4: Just thinking, what is Alabama Nation doing if they don't 312 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 4: make that fourth down and Auburn march and Auburn marched the. 313 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: Link to the field in three minutes to almost score 314 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: a touchdown the tie again. But they certainly got. 315 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: Into field goal range if they were just had that 316 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 4: same drive, yeah, auver. 317 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: So then the decision looks like they made a great decision, 318 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 3: you know, So it's just how it turns out. 319 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 320 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 4: Well, the Seahawks have been unbelievable in these ten am 321 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 4: kickoffs that we got coming up in Atlanta, last twenty 322 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 4: seven games there, twenty two and five. I mean, that 323 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 4: is unbelievable. I mean, why do you think it's so 324 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 4: much easier now? Because it was It was difficult, not 325 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 4: just for you, it was difficult in the NFL for 326 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 4: West Coast teams to go east in the eighties and nineties. 327 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it really was. I think I think they've studied 328 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: this stuff a lot. Yeah, and they've they've looked at 329 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 3: ways that the players at that time in the morning, 330 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 3: the Seattle time, that how what kind of sleep they 331 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: get when they go to bed, what to eat, all 332 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. Now that's they study that stuff 333 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: and have come up with a plan to at least 334 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: give them a chance to do those things. But I 335 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: think the number one thing is you got to have 336 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: a pretty good team. You got to be able to 337 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: go back there and take care of business, because it's 338 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: it is a challenge. 339 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 4: How worried should we be about this this Falcons team? 340 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 4: I mean, the record isn't much. But in their last 341 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 4: five games, they got a one point loss at New England, 342 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 4: they got an overtime loss to Indy, they got an 343 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 4: overtime loss to Carolina, they got to win over the Saints, 344 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 4: and a. 345 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: Three point loss of the Jets. 346 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 4: So they're like they're in every single game they play 347 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 4: against some pretty good teams. 348 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 3: Yeah they are, and that I looked at that schedule too, 349 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 3: and so this the Seahoffs have to be ready. They've 350 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: got to be ready. This is not even though Atlanta's 351 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: record isn't very good and certainly disappointing to the people 352 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: in Atlanta because I think they had pretty high hopes 353 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 3: with Pennix and all that kind of stuff. Now and 354 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 3: Penis won't play, but Cousins, if you're going to take 355 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: him backup guy, and they just take him in there, 356 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 3: you know, he's not the Cousins of four or five 357 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 3: years ago, I don't think. But he can still play. 358 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 3: And then they have a great running back, Oh. 359 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 4: Great running Hard to motivate your team when you're going 360 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 4: on the road to play a four and eight team 361 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 4: in your nine to three you've been in that situation. 362 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 3: Sometimes it is, it is, But I am very impressed. 363 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 3: There's a lot of things I'm very impressed that the 364 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 3: Seahawks have done this year, and that's one of them. 365 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 3: They appear to me. You can tell when a team 366 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: kind of comes out there and just they're not motivated 367 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: the way they should be. That doesn't happen with these guys. 368 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 3: So Mike's got him going, got him thinking properly. He's 369 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: got them flying around, you know, and a lot of 370 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 3: it has to do with how that defense is playing. 371 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, that's the voice of Mike hom Gren. 372 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 4: We mentioned when at the outset, we're gonna ask him 373 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 4: about what Mike Tomlins should do when invariably he gets 374 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 4: the acts at the end of the season. We'll talk 375 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 4: to coach about that. We'll ask him about what the 376 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 4: heck is going on in New England with Mike Rabel. 377 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 4: He's leading them to the best record in the in 378 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 4: the NFL thus far. What does he think of Drake 379 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 4: may Lots to get to with Mike Holmgren until five 380 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: o'clock on ninety three point three KJRFM. 381 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 5: From the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. Now 382 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 5: back to Softie and Dick on your Home for the Huskies. 383 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 5: Kraken and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point 384 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 5: three KJR FM. 385 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 4: Rolling on Mike Homer and is Stravaganza here alive at 386 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 4: the five to twenty Bar and Grill in Bellevue were 387 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 4: here every Thursday with the coach and you coach a 388 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 4: lot of surprises when you look at the NFL standings 389 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 4: through thirteen weeks, and maybe the greatest, at least in 390 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 4: the AFC. The greatest has got to be the fact 391 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 4: that the number one seed right now would be the 392 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 4: New England Patriots if the season ended today, a team 393 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 4: that won with four games last season. What do you 394 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 4: make of what Mike Vrabel is doing so quickly over there? 395 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 3: Well, I think mike' said really good coach. I thought 396 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 3: he did a nice job in Tennessee. Was a little 397 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: surprised that he didn't stay there. Excuse me, but it's 398 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 3: it's it's remarkable. I mean, they got a young quarterback 399 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: that I mean, he's really young. Yeah, and he's just 400 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 3: he's just playing lights out and the team is responding 401 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 3: properly to that. And and then Mike is a defensive guy. 402 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: I think he's a defensive head coach. And uh, they're 403 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 3: they're playing really good defense. It's just a real testament 404 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: to the head coach. And then how this young guy 405 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 3: is is playing. He doesn't seem to be rattled. He 406 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 3: easily easily rattled. He's got great from what I read. 407 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: The players like him and they play for him, and 408 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 3: he's already gotten a hold of the team even as 409 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 3: a young player. So yeah, they're having a great year. 410 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 4: I know, Softie gave you a homework assignment when Drake 411 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 4: May came out of college, so you scouted him a 412 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 4: little bit. So are you surprised with what you see 413 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 4: in or did you see some of those tendencies? What 414 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 4: did you like or maybe we're concerned about when he 415 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 4: came out of college. 416 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: No, I think there was a lot of pluses when 417 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: he came out, you know, and so there's a reason 418 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 3: he went high in the draft. But you know, you 419 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 3: don't expect. What you don't expect is the Dan Reno 420 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 3: thing and his freshman year of rookie year, he just 421 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: shoots lights out. You never expect that. I don't care 422 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 3: who you draft, but I liked him coming out and 423 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 3: I said he should go high. When when I get 424 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: those assignments from Dave I'm trying to be real honest 425 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: about things. But and and I had him graded very, 426 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: very high, and so that part doesn't surprise you. What 427 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 3: surprises me is that he's still pretty young, right, and 428 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: he's and he's really playing like like he's been in 429 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: the league a lot longer. 430 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 4: Well, you got a situation where Mike Rabel's the head 431 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 4: coach of the number one seed in the all the NFL, 432 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 4: and at the bottom of the NFL is the team 433 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 4: that Mike Rabel coached prior and got fired from, even 434 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 4: though he had four winning seasons in six. 435 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 2: Years and three playoff berths. 436 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 4: It's unbelievable with the decision that Tennessee made to get 437 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 4: rid of them, and now they're mired in one wind them. 438 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've told you this before. I was 439 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: very fortunate when I coached in the league to be 440 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: with great ownership. You know, Paul Allen was great in 441 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: Green Bay. We had no owner. Yeah, Ron Wilf and 442 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 3: can't call me in and said, Mike, you know, we're 443 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 3: kind of like owners. What one conversation we had. And 444 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: then the forty nine ers, of course, Eddie de Barlow, 445 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: you know, he loved his players, loved his team. So 446 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: I was in that type of atmosphere that the decision 447 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: makers were good and they they combined with the coaching 448 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 3: staff on decisions. Then you get other teams in the league, 449 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: and you could point to a few of them, maybe 450 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: maybe half a dozen, that you say, Okay, why can't 451 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 3: they get out of their own way? It's because of that. 452 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 3: It's because of front office and the coaching ownership getting 453 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: involved when they shouldn't get involved. And I think that's 454 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: what happened in Tennessee. 455 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 4: Well, they're highly unpredictable what New England's doing. I think 456 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 4: what is happening in Pittsburgh is very predictable because it 457 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 4: seems like Pittsburgh always finishes nine and eight every season 458 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: over the last so over the last ten years, they 459 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 4: don't have a playoff win in nine seasons. 460 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: Is it time? Is it time either for Mike Tomlin 461 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 2: to move on? 462 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 4: Is it time for the ownership to finally say, okay, 463 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 4: we need now a fourth coach in the last fifty 464 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 4: five years, because we've only had three thus far. 465 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really amazing. I think Mike, you know, he 466 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: had Ben Roethlisberger, and anytime he got a quarterback like that. 467 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: I remember when we played against Cower, you know, who 468 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: was a friend of mine in the Super Bowl. Ben 469 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 3: was just starting out and then whoever came in next 470 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: was going to have the quarterback set for long time. 471 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 3: That makes all the difference in the world, and that 472 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 3: he's had that now. But you're right, it's been nine 473 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: and eight, you know, and they make it say, well, 474 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 3: you've never had a losing record, I think, or you know, 475 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: I don't think he has. But there's a lot of 476 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 3: nine and eight's in there. And so Pittsburgh, I know, 477 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 3: the ownership there a little bit, and they they don't 478 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 3: pull it's not the quick trigger there. They're gonna stay 479 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: with if they like the coach and he thinks they're 480 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 3: doing right and how they do things, how their organization 481 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 3: does things. They're very by the book and this is 482 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: how we've done it, this is how we're gonna do it. 483 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: So I'm not surprised he's been there and stayed a 484 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 3: lot longer than a lot of people. But you know, 485 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 3: Pete probably went through the kind of they probably went 486 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 3: through the kind of the same thing with Pete. You know, 487 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 3: he was very successful. He was there a long time 488 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, Now, what decision will 489 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 3: the coach make? Shoot, you know, if he likes where 490 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: he's coaching, and someone's gonna have to tell tell him, 491 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't think he's just gonna sluk in 492 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 3: the door and say, you know what, for the for 493 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 3: the good of the of the fans and everybody, I'll 494 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 3: step I'll step away. I don't see him doing that. 495 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 2: I agree with you. 496 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 4: Where if he is fired, where's a good landing place? 497 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 4: I mean, people have talked about Miami Giants College. You know, 498 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 4: I'd be tough for Penn State because you know that 499 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 4: they wouldn't be able to hire him for the next 500 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 4: unless he pulls a Lane Kiffin, they wouldn't be able 501 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 4: to hire him for the next month. You know. So 502 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 4: what because I think he's not an old man, you know, 503 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 4: and he's got a lot of experience. I think he's 504 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 4: a pretty good culture building. 505 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, he is that. I mean the players like him 506 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: and they play hard for him. And then you have 507 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 3: to have your staff. You have to have a good 508 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: I always said this too. I mean, you're the head coach, 509 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: but your staff is very, very important. How they teach, 510 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: how they coach, and so that that's that's one factor. 511 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 3: The other factor is is go to a place where 512 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 3: you think they hailre have the quarterback. They have a 513 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 3: quarterback that can play if you're going to go someplace now, 514 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 3: I think the Giants have a young quarterback they think 515 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 3: can play. If they can get him to stop running 516 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 3: and doing crazy things. You know, well, he's going to learn, 517 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: you know not. 518 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 4: What would you tell Jackson darsh after his fourth trip 519 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 4: into the blue ten? 520 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say, hey, no, I know, I said, what 521 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 3: are you doing? Are you? What are you doing? You know? 522 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: I heard John Gudin was on a podcast or doing 523 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 3: something talking to him and then he said, he goes, 524 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 3: so some words to this effect, you know, why do 525 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: you You got to be careful because I need you 526 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: for the whole game, and Darts goes, well, I played 527 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 3: a certain way. I'm always trying for the extra two yards. 528 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 3: And then John said something like a are you crazy? 529 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 3: I want you for the whole game. I don't care 530 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: about those two yards, you know, I mean so, And 531 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 3: I think probably John learned some of that from me. Yeah, yep. 532 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 4: And one of your other pupils is in playoff trouble 533 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 4: right now. Andy's in playoff trouble coach six and six, 534 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 4: they got, they got a musk. 535 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: It's as close to a must. 536 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 4: Win situation this weekend that we've had from Andy in 537 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 4: a long long time. And he was I'm not gonna 538 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 4: say he was defiant, but he was very forceful. When 539 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 4: he was interviewed this week, he says, he says, I 540 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 4: don't know what this means. Maybe you can translate, We're 541 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 4: gonna tickle your tonsils on every play the rest of 542 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 4: the year. Is that something you've heard before from Andy Reid? No, Okay, 543 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 4: I don't know what it means. No, but he was 544 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 4: like basically like, we're we're gonna turn things around, and 545 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 4: it's gonna start this weekend. 546 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe him. Well, you know what, it all 547 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: depends A lot depends on and I heard you talking 548 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 3: about it earlier when you're going over Okay, we are 549 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 3: where we are now, and who's in Who's leading that division? Denver? Well, Denver, 550 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: you know they're they got it'd be hard to catch Denver, 551 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 3: right the wildcard? Yeah, so you have who are the 552 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 3: who are the next five games? Who are your opponents 553 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 3: down the stretch here in the next four or five games. 554 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: Some of them have pretty. 555 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 2: They're very winnable. 556 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 4: The Chiefs have if they can get by this week. 557 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 4: I mean, they got Houston is, but they still have. 558 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 4: They got a game against Tennessee, they got a game 559 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 4: against Las Vegas two wins, and then you got home 560 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 4: against the Chargers and home against Denver. 561 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 3: Okay, but okay, if you can win this week. 562 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 4: Against Houston, which is not easy. Houston is red hot 563 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 4: right now. 564 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can. 565 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 4: I can see the the the opening for. 566 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: Andy, I know and and so, and knowing how he 567 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 3: is and how his team is and how Mahomes is, 568 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 3: you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't check them out yet, no, 569 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 3: you know, but but he hasn't been in this situation 570 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 3: in a while. 571 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 4: There's a couple other teams that basically in a must 572 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 4: win situation coming up tonight on Thursday Night Football. 573 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: We'll talk about those teams. 574 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 4: Your old friend Jerry and the Dallas Cowboys have resurrected themselves. 575 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 4: We'll talk a little bit about that game coming up 576 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 4: on ninety three point three KJFM. 577 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Crakin Game Day, brought to you by Blood Works. 578 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: Give blood with Blood Works on Fridays in November and 579 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: get a cup of ivers clamchowder available at donation locations 580 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: between Everett and Tacoma. 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And we talked about, 592 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 4: you know, a big game with the Kansas City Chiefs. 593 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 4: We got a big game coming up tonight six five 594 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 4: and one Dallas seven and five Lions. I mean, this 595 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 4: was a Lions team that arguably was the best in 596 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 4: the NFC last year during the regular season and then 597 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 4: didn't do in the playoffs. 598 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: And boy, it's been different without Ben Johnson there, That's for. 599 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 3: Sure it has been. And I think that that's a 600 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: good that's a good reason because and I went through 601 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 3: that too, where you lose, you lose and Andy Reid, 602 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 3: or you lose whom or Steve Mario Chier, these guys 603 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 3: who are very valuable coaches on your staff. Then you 604 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 3: try and replace him, but sometimes that you can't, and 605 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 3: then you do the best you can. So I think 606 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 3: in his case, the Lions still have great personnel, and 607 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 3: I really think I really like their head coach, but 608 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: his staff, I think he's he took over the play 609 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: calling duties. If I might be wrong about that, but 610 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 3: I thought I read that right, and so obviously he 611 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: wasn't happy with what was going on there with the offense. 612 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: But that I think that's the biggest thing that happened. 613 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: There's still a very talented team and when they have 614 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: it going. When they have it going, they're tough to beat. 615 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 3: You know, Golfers is a really very good quarterback. But 616 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: the Cowboys have kind of flipped all that criticism and 617 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 3: now they're starting to crank it up. In the last 618 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 3: couple of games I've seen them play, they look pretty 619 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 3: good to me. 620 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 4: They certainly they won three in a row, two of 621 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 4: them against Philadelphia and Kansas City. I mean, so it's 622 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 4: not like they're beating cream puffs in this three game 623 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 4: winning streaking. The two big trades that Jerry made, I 624 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 4: remember how I felt about both of them. I was 625 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,239 Speaker 4: actually in the minority about the I supported him on 626 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 4: the Micah Parsons trade. I was like, you're not going 627 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 4: anywhere with them. Let's get a haul for him, right 628 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 4: and not have. 629 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: To pay him anymore. 630 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 4: And then the Quinn Williams trade, I was like, Jerry, 631 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 4: are three to five and one? 632 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: Where are you going this season? 633 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 4: Why would you give up the picks that you just 634 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 4: got from Micah Parsons for Quinnon Williams. 635 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: But that one's actually working, Yeah it is. 636 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 3: And know Jerry he loves as Bill part Selles once 637 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 3: told me, he likes to dance with the prettiest girl 638 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 3: in the room, you know, And so I'm going, what 639 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: does that mean? But you know, he really he really 640 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 3: wants the best for his team. It's not just all 641 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 3: about money, knowing him, it's he really wants to get 642 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 3: back to the super Bowl. The criticism there is that, 643 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 3: you know, instead of him making all the decisions as 644 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: the owner gentleman, as the guy, you know, hire somebody 645 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 3: to do that and you just enjoy life now at 646 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 3: your age, right, And so you know, I don't think 647 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 3: he will. I don't think he will, you know. And 648 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 3: he's right now, right now. You see him in the box. 649 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 3: They always show him in the box during games and 650 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 3: when things are going good. I mean, he's having more 651 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 3: fun than anybody in the stadium, you know. But they're 652 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 3: and they're playing better now they're playing and like you said, 653 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,479 Speaker 3: Kansas City and Philadelphia, Hey, that's pretty good stuff. 654 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And as if Jerry needed another ego boost, did 655 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 4: you did you see the stat where his Cowboys went 656 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 4: over the Chiefs was the most watched regular season football 657 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 4: game in NFL history? 658 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 3: No, you know what that? 659 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 2: Do you think Jerry's saying after reading? 660 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, ask me some questions about that in 661 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 3: his press conference after the NBA Exactly. You know, he is, 662 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 3: he is a beauty, and we were friends, and like 663 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 3: I said, he offered me the job a couple of times, 664 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 3: and I said no because I said, I don't want 665 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 3: to ruin our friendship. And I think that might But 666 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 3: you know, I'll tell you one quick, quick one. I 667 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 3: think I've told you. We set it right across from 668 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 3: at the owner's meetings, right across from each other, and 669 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 3: so when they had this strike and all this stuff 670 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 3: was going on. It was just a privileged session. He 671 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 3: wrote a little card and gave it to me, and 672 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 3: he goes, if any of this gets too complicated for you, 673 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 3: ask me, I'll help you, tendem. I took the card, 674 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 3: put on the back roade. If they ever talk about football, 675 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 3: ask me, I'll help you. And he just started laughing. 676 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 3: You know, good. But we had. He was on the 677 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 3: competition committee when I was there. Yeah, so we had. 678 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 3: We had a few little lemonades together and it was fun. 679 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: Oh that's beautiful, we heard. Butty appreciate it. We'll talk 680 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 2: to you next week. 681 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 3: Thanks, buddy, appreciate it. 682 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 2: Sounds good. 683 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 4: That's Mike Homber and he's gonna go on out of here, 684 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 4: take his five minute drive back home.