1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVZ, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone, Thank you very much, Dan Watkins. There 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: is an article that those of you who read the 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: Boston Globe and I do, and I hope all of 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 2: you do as well, that you will read tomorrow in 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: the print edition of the Boston Globe, written by John 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: Hilliard from the Globe staff. 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: It's a fairly lengthy. 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: Article by most standards, and it is an article that 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: deals with the first story that I think has really 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: dealt with this bus accident that took the life of 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 2: a five year old young man, little boy, five year 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: old boy in Boston on April twenty eighth. Now, this 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: is a story that I have talked about before, and 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: if you're tired of hearing about it, well you may 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: want to, you know, flip the channel here if you want. 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: I hope that's not your reaction. I hope what your 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: reaction is that you will join me in my outrage. 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: This is a story that some of you will remember, 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: some of you won't. 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: So this is a story April last April. 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: It was Monday, April twenty eighth. 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: One of the. 24 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: Reasons I think why this has hit me as hard 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: as it does, is that we welcomed granddaughter the day before. 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: On April twenty seventh, This little boy five years old. 27 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: His name is Lens Arthur Joseph Lenz Joseph. He was 28 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: a Boston Public school student at five, and he was 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: being transported by bus in the company of his eleven 30 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: year old cousin. On the bus that was a bus 31 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: driver who apparently his his certificate to be a bus 32 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: driver had expired the bus company. And his name is 33 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: Jean Jean Charles j E A N Jean Charles. He 34 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: was a substitute that day and according to this Goal article, 35 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: had never driven this route before. Now what is new 36 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: about this story is the headline video shows that Boston 37 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 2: Public school bus driver's eyes were off the road when 38 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: Hyde Park kindergartner was struck and killed in April crash. 39 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: This and let's call it an accident because there's no suggestion, 40 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: certainly no suggestion from me that this driver did anything 41 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 2: into aly. I think this is a case of negligence. 42 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: So the little boy gets off the bus across the 43 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: street from his family home. He should have been driven 44 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: so that when he got off the bus he stepped 45 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: on a sidewalk and within two or three steps he's 46 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: on the home. He's on the property of his family. 47 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 2: But the bus driver who earlier in that afternoon had 48 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: crashed into a couple of parked vehicles in Mattapan, according 49 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: to most news reports. I've seen some news reports that 50 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: said he crashed into one. Some said he crashed into two. Okay. 51 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: The bus. 52 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: Was heading down Truman Parkway. Okay, I think they mean 53 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: by that Truman Highway. Maybe it's now called Truman Parkway, 54 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: but it's I know exactly where that is. The Boston 55 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: Public School equips its buses with cameras that record. 56 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: Each day, each day's runs. 57 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: Now, again, this company is a big, big French company. 58 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: It's not a local company. It's called trans Dev. Okay, 59 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 2: it's a French company, trans Dev, and they have lots 60 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: of responsibilities. Amongst them is to make sure that the 61 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: drivers are confident. Now, there's no suggestion that this guy 62 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: was the driver was under the influence of anything, but 63 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: apparently he did have an accident in Mattapan and did 64 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: not stop, did not which was the proper procedure, did 65 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: not report the accident to the police. 66 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: It was basically a hit and run a hit and 67 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 3: run accident, so. 68 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: The bus driver knew to the route. Were supposed to 69 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,119 Speaker 2: take a turn on the streets are not going to matter, 70 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 2: but he's supposed to take a left turn instead, he 71 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: missed the turn, and he continued down Truman Parkway. He 72 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: then takes a left onto another street which parallels the 73 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: street where this young boy lived. So as he's driving 74 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: down the parallel street, he misses another left turn. This 75 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: time he goes onto another street, which would have allowed 76 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: him to take a right onto the street for the boy, 77 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: but and would have allowed him to approach Joseph, lends 78 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: his home, lends Joseph's. 79 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: Home as he should have. 80 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: He slowed down but did not appear to stop at 81 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: the stop sign at Tyler and Washington Streets. He turns 82 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: left on a Washington. Then he takes a series of 83 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: life altering steps since according to the article from John Hilliard, 84 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 2: the video shows that he brings the bus to a 85 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: halt on Washington Street, across from Lenz Joseph's home. The 86 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 2: timecode on the video is two forty one PM and 87 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: forty two seconds, so it's down to the second. The 88 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: portion of the onboard video viewed by The globe consists 89 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: of two sources. One is a camera mounted on the 90 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: vehicle's exterior showing two large mirrors meant to give the 91 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: driver a view of what is directly in front of 92 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: the vehicle. The second camera, mounted inside the passenger compartment, 93 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: provides a clear view of the driver's activities and the passengers. Now, 94 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: this electric bus involved in the crash was really new. 95 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: It entered service in February of twenty twenty three, so 96 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: probably not a big mechanical likelihood of a mechanical failure. 97 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: They're generally equipment the tablet of the center of the 98 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: dashboard like they could be on your car, that allows 99 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: the driver to operate the district's map tracking app for 100 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: the bus fleet. The tablets are capable of displaying a 101 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: Google Maps like interface giving the driver specific directions to 102 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: the destination. In the video, it is not clear what 103 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: Charles was looking at on the dashboard from the camera 104 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: inside the bus. At two forty one PM and forty 105 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: four seconds, Charles, wearing a black tshirt and ball cap, 106 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: opens the side door behind him and to his left. 107 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: The bus's stop sign extends out from the exterior of. 108 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: The vehicle. 109 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: Lens and his eleven year old cousin can be seen 110 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: walking to the front of the bus, with Lens leading 111 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: the way. As the children walk down the steps, Charles 112 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: has his eyes down, apparently looking at something on the 113 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: vehicle's dashboard. Lens and his cousin step off the bus. 114 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: At two forty one pm and fifty five seconds the 115 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: driver is looking at the dashboard, then to his left 116 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: through the driver's side window. He looks back down at 117 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: the dashboard and at two forty one and fifty eight 118 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: seconds this is now not minutes, these are seconds. He 119 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: briefly glances to his right in the direction of where 120 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: the children are, and then up at the rear view 121 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: mirror again. I'm reading from the piece through in the globe. 122 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: The side door begins to close, and by time it 123 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: shuts completely, he appears to be looking at the dashboard. 124 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: It is two forty two pm. The bus begins to 125 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: roll forward. The view of the bus's exterior camera is 126 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: blocked by the vehicle's hood, but in the driver's sign 127 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: mirror showing the bumper, the silhouette of a figure can 128 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: be seen moving in front of the passenger side of 129 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: the bus. One second after two forty two pm, that 130 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: figure it would be Lens Joseph, in my opinion, appears 131 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: to be pulled under the vehicle as it drives forward. 132 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: From the camera inside the bus, Charles still appears to 133 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: have his eyes on the dashboard and looks out through 134 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: the windshield between two forty two pm one second and 135 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: two seconds. At two forty two pm and three seconds, 136 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: Charles is briefly bumped up in the driver's seat as 137 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: his vehicle, as if his vehicle had ran. 138 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 3: Over an obstacle. 139 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: In the next few moments, he's looking around as if 140 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: something has caught his attention. Four seconds later, to forty 141 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: two and seven seconds, he's looking to his left out 142 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: the driver's side window. 143 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 3: Again. 144 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 2: Children on the bus are moving around and looking at 145 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: something off camera. At two forty two pm and nine seconds, 146 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: Charles reacts to something off camera. His left hand covers 147 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: his mouth. The bus came to a complete stop two 148 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: seconds later. Now authorities have said that he underwent drug 149 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: and alcohol testing. No sign of either found immediately after 150 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: the Hyde Park crash. No one. No one has been 151 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: charged in connection with the crash. Earlier this year, the 152 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 2: city and school officials identified the driver as Jean Charles, 153 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: who had been hired by TRANSDV in twenty twenty three. 154 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:26,119 Speaker 2: Charles resigned from transjev in May, just before a scheduled termination, 155 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: hearing TRANSDV is an eleven billion French A billion dollar 156 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: French company with US headquarters in Illinois has served as 157 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: BPS's bus contractor since twenty thirteen. BPS contracts with the 158 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: company to hire and manage school bus drivers and maintained 159 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: the district's bus fleet and three bus yards. The district 160 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: has said transjev Dev has faced more than a dozen 161 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: court complaints alleging personal injuries since it began operating in Boston, 162 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: and the family. The Joseph family have sued the driver 163 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: and Transdev in July, alleging negligence and recklessness resulted in 164 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: Lenz's death. Here's my question, why, more than now eight months, 165 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: coming more than six months, coming up on seven months, 166 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: why has there not been some form of indictment issued 167 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: in this case? At a minimum, motor vehicle homicide at 168 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: a minimum. We know who is driving the bus, We 169 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: know the timing of this video, which the Globe reporter 170 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: has seen. I haven't seen it, but in the Globe 171 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 2: story tomorrow morning, he talks about it. 172 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: At great length. 173 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to open up the lines, and I know 174 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: that this is a subject that many of you are 175 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: going to be uncomfortable talking about. Please don't be This 176 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: little boy lost his life, five year old boy. He 177 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: did nothing wrong. He did nothing wrong. He got off 178 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 2: his school bus. His school bus should have been parked 179 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 2: on the other side of the street. 180 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 3: It wasn't. 181 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: Even with that, the driver should have taken much more 182 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: care and much more for caution, knowing that this kid 183 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: or is not being dropped off where he should be 184 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: dropped off. What is this guy thinking? What is our 185 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: district Attorney, Kevin Hayden thinking? Why is his office holding 186 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: up on this? Is this guy still in town? Has 187 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: he agreed to stay in town? How are we making 188 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: sure that he doesn't just leave at some point? Look, 189 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: child is dead. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. 190 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: Are you upset about it? If you're not upset about it, 191 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: don't call in if you are upset about it. And 192 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: if this had happened in your town, and it didn't 193 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: happen in Hyde Park in the city of Boston, do 194 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: you think that we would have had some at least 195 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 2: criminal charges filed at this point? 196 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: What is going on. 197 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 2: Kevin Hayden, you're the District Attorney of Suffolk County. What 198 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: is your office doing on this? Why has it taken 199 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: over six months? Almost seven months now and we still 200 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: have nothing, no report, not. The only information we have 201 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: is what I've read about in the Globe six seven 202 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: thirty six one seven nine thirty. 203 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: Coming right back on Nightside. 204 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio. 205 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: I do want to go to phone calls, and I've 206 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: told the story. I certainly can amplify on it. But 207 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: what really bothers me about this is that this little 208 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: boy never had a chance. He never had a chance, 209 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: never had a chance. 210 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 3: Getting off that bus. And to me, it's inconceivable. 211 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: That that bus driver would not know where that child 212 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 2: should have. 213 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 3: Been dropped off. 214 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: And even if he really okay, the bus driver should 215 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: have should have put the bus in park, should have 216 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: told everyone to stay seated, and he should have gotten 217 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: out of that bus and made sure that that child 218 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: could walk across the street safely. It wasn't some car 219 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: that hit this child, it was the bus itself. Let 220 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: me go to John and Denham. John, I appreciate you 221 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: calling in. You go right ahead, sir, your thoughts on this. 222 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 4: Every time I hear this story, then I get more 223 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 4: upset with each time I hear more details. And the 224 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 4: funny thing is, how do we not have as you said, 225 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 4: how do we not have all the details by now? 226 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: That's the point that is so infuriating. You know the 227 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: district attorney. I didn't know much about this district attorney. 228 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 3: Okay. 229 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: He was appointed to the office by Charlie Baker. He 230 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: succeeded Rachel Rawlins. He grew up, I guess, was born 231 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: in Newton, went to Noble and Greenow School in Dedham, 232 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: since you're from Dedham, and went on to Dartmouth College, 233 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: and then he worked in finance before getting his law 234 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: degree at my law school, Boston University Law School. So 235 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: he's a well educated man. He's very inaccessible to the 236 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: media for the most part. He'll show up at shootings 237 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: and say a couple of words. But I'd like to 238 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: have him come on the show and explain to us 239 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: why some form of allegation at a minimum vehicular homicide. 240 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: I mean, we know who drove the bus. There was 241 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: only one person driving the bus. He never got out 242 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: of his seat from the time the kid got off 243 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: the bus. The little boy got off the bus and 244 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: he was hit and killed. I don't understand the hang 245 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: up either, and that's why I'm doing it. And the 246 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: story in the Globe tomorrow. When you read the story 247 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: by John Hilliard, it cleared it was posted this morning 248 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: at six fifteen am. So I know it wasn't in 249 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: today's paper edition, but it will be in tomorrow's Globe. 250 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: It is a really interesting, Uh, it's a horrific story. 251 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: But that's what makes it makes it so interesting. This 252 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: reporter has put it together a timeline that the District 253 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: Attorney's office should have had no more than two or 254 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: three days after this accident. And why nothing has issued 255 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: from the day's offices beyond me. 256 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 4: When it takes this long, and I don't care you 257 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 4: know who you're affiliated with or what get position where 258 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: it takes this long, somebody's trying to hide something. Yeah, 259 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 4: And and I don't look at this into an accident. 260 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 4: This was you said, negliges At the least the thing 261 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 4: is I mean, like that timeline thing was great to 262 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: here you go through each second, like why wasn't this 263 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 4: driver's eye I would think the standard operator behagually you 264 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 4: look out the keith of walking up the door and 265 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 4: make sure they all go right not left. It's like 266 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 4: the front of the butt right now. 267 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: Again if this guy, this guy hadn't followed the directions. 268 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 2: So he takes the kid and the bus stops across 269 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 2: the street from his house. That was not the route. 270 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: The route was for him to come up a different way. 271 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: This is up kind of like in what you call 272 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: the Fairmount section of Hyde Park, I believe, not far 273 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: from moynihan Field where the old stopping shop is on 274 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: Truman Highway. 275 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 3: I think it's in that neck of the woods. 276 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: So he he is, he's had an accident that he 277 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: never stopped at. He he's sideswiped at least one maybe 278 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: two cars in had a band like twenty minutes before. 279 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: So he's having you know, he's obviously had a problem 280 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: an accident. Oh sure, leave you the seat of an 281 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: accident minimum okay with damage, you know. And again I 282 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 2: don't know the extent of the damage. 283 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 5: You know. 284 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: A friend of mine called me the other day and said, gee, 285 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: I just you know brush the car. I said, well, 286 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: pull over and leave a note on the car so 287 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: the person can get in touch with you you know, 288 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's what you're supposed to do. But no, 289 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 2: this guy just continue along and he run. He he 290 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: drove over this kid within a couple of seconds of 291 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: the moment that the child had gotten off the bus. 292 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 4: That's the part that's almost like he can't even comprehend that. 293 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 4: And to me, it's like because it's saying, if you 294 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 4: can't identify the problem, it's gonna happen again. 295 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 2: This is a was it a thirteen billion dollars, this 296 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 2: is a huge bus company. There will be a civil 297 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: law There is a civil lawsuit. As a matter of fact, 298 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 2: I spoke and invited the lawyer for the for the 299 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: Joseph family to join me tonight. But he's in in 300 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: you know, in the discovery process with this company, Transtev 301 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: and he declined, which is no problem. He's been on 302 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: with me before. But this is Look, driving a bus 303 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 2: is not an easy job. I wouldn't do it. I 304 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: don't think I would have the patience to do it. 305 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 4: But I'm in the freight trucking business, and you know, 306 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 4: I think about this stuff going on with he's California 307 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 4: truck drivers, unbelievable. 308 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't speak English cod reed signs. But they're 309 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: giving him not only in California, but in the state 310 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: of Washington as well, giving these CDL licenses, these people 311 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 2: and many At this point, I don't know how many 312 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 2: Americans have been killed because in one case, this guy 313 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: took an illegal U turn. But let's come back to 314 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 2: this little boy's case. Can you imagine if this happened 315 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 2: in Weston, if it happened in Wellesley, that happened in Westwood, 316 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: that happened in Denham, the time will be up in arms. 317 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: Where's the outrage? Where's the outrage? If I'm the district 318 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: attorney and nobody the only guy who's talking about it 319 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 2: is this talk show host in WBZ, I'm gonna say, 320 00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: I don't have to do anything. 321 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 4: You know, is your touch on it? More more, it's say, 322 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 4: we have one tragedy kid, But where is the accountability 323 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 4: of the politicians to the city, the people who. 324 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 6: You work for. 325 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 4: Where is where is again for this to take this long? 326 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 4: Somebody's hide something that I brought up to California State 327 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 4: for a reason. I wonder if this guy probably is 328 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 4: gonna never been behind the wheel, regardless of. 329 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: What well he was, he was driving. He was driving 330 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 2: illegally that day because apparently his certificate had inspired and 331 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 2: he hadn't renewed his certificate U to be able to drive. 332 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: It'd be like if you don't renew your passport and 333 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: you show up at Logan Airports, say hey, I'm heading 334 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: out of the country. Oh no, you're not. You know 335 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 2: your passport? 336 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: Is that a day. 337 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 4: I'll end with this. I hope you continue to press 338 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 4: whoever our local people are responsible for coming forward and again, 339 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 4: this is just way too long and people should lose 340 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 4: their jobs on this seat is taking this long? 341 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: Well, John, The reason why I'm doing it is because 342 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: someone like you has the courage and the interest. You know, 343 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,239 Speaker 2: the people who are sitting home listening and who are 344 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: not going to call in on this, I say shame 345 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: on them, because in order for us to shake up 346 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 2: these politicians and let them know that the days, the 347 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: days for transparency, the necessity of transparency have long since passed. 348 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: And you do not sit around on a case like 349 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 2: this and wait for six months to bring a charge. 350 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 2: You bring a charge. If you have to upgrade the 351 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: charge later on, fine, but you get you get this 352 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 2: guy's passport. Poll you make sure he can't leave the 353 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: country even if they gave you, Oh, I'm gonna get 354 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: my if his lawyers said we'll make sure he's here, 355 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: don't leave that to chance and the district attorney who 356 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 2: is not accessible. I have lots of friends who are 357 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: DA's in this in this state. But the ones who 358 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 2: are my friends are the ones who are accessible and 359 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: will answer questions and who become available to me into 360 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: my callers, and again for my callers, sit home and 361 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: don't bother to call. If you're happy with the result 362 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: of this investigation so far, kiss, I'm not happy at all. 363 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 2: Thanks John, appreciated. Thank you so much. Talk to you soon. Well, 364 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: there's one caller that has some guts, and I hope 365 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 2: some of you will join me, because everybody says, oh, 366 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 2: I get complaints during the day, people call me out. 367 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 3: Can you do this? Can you do that? Can you 368 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 3: do that? 369 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 2: I'm not here as you're as you're elected official, you're representative. 370 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: I'm here to try to make you aware of what's 371 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 2: going on and what's not going on. And if this 372 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: doesn't really bother you, I think there's something wrong with 373 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: your soul. And I mean that seriously, because if this 374 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 2: was your five year old grandchild, or if this was 375 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: your five year old child, you would be leaping for 376 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: the phones. This is a little boy who was cut 377 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: down by his Boston Public school bus last April, and 378 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 2: we still don't know from the district attorney anything about 379 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: the investigation from the District Attorney's office. It's way too long, 380 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 2: mister Hayden. It's time for you and your associates to 381 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: get up and do something. And and and let's let's 382 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: get a charge issued. Make sure this guy's passport is 383 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: pulled and that he sticks in the area. 384 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: This is way too long. 385 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 2: Coming back on night Side right after this, here's the 386 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: line six one seven. I got two there and I 387 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 2: got one at six one seven nine. Folks, everybody says, well, 388 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: you can't. 389 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 3: Fight city hall. Let me tell you. 390 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: I will do nothing but fight city hall, fight the 391 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: Governor's office, fight the DA's office, because if they're not 392 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: doing their job, and at this point this job has 393 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: not been done by Kevin Hayden's office, I will be 394 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: on them until we do get action, and I hope 395 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: you'll help me out. Coming back on night. 396 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: Side, it's Boston's News Radio. 397 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: Back to the phones to go, let me go to 398 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: Chris in Beverly. Chris, is I to fight as a 399 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: bus driver? Chris, welcome to nightside. 400 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 6: Thank you. You know what, the Department of Transportation should 401 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 6: have been doing something with that company, and the company 402 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 6: should have never let him behind that wheel without no license. 403 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 2: And I guess I think what it says in the story. 404 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 2: And you know more about this than I do. I 405 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: suspect says that his certificate. I guess his certificate had 406 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: expired and he hadn't renewed. 407 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: It. 408 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 4: Is that what you would have been behind you? 409 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 6: He should have not been behind that wheel. 410 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: No, I agree with you. 411 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: But is it a certificate or is it a license? 412 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 6: I'm not sure it's a it's a school bus license, 413 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 6: but it's paper. 414 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: Okay. 415 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 6: You do have it on your regular license too, Like 416 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 6: I haven't run my regular license. I'm a school bus 417 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 6: drive a passenger endorsement, okay. 418 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 5: And then with the sho dashboard. 419 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 6: He's been looking at his marriage and making sure that 420 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 6: kid was walking across with his cousin and making sure 421 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 6: he made it across the street without him running at 422 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 6: over and then not stopping after he felt he hit something. 423 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 6: Come on, Oh my god, that ate me up in size. 424 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 2: Well, this company, this French company, trans Dev, is an 425 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: eleven billion dollar French company with US headquarters in Illinois 426 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 2: and has served as BPS's bus contractor since twenty thirteen. 427 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 2: Do you got I'm just guessing here, but I assume 428 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: you work for another company. 429 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 5: I mean I do. 430 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 6: And you have to have eight hours of safety meetings. 431 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 6: If my license was expired, I wouldn't be behind a wheel. 432 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 6: You bet your around. They would put me behind a 433 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 6: wheel until I renewed my license. 434 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it says here. 435 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: It says at the time of the let me read 436 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 2: this to you and maybe you can explain it to me. 437 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 2: And I appreciate your calling, and says at the time 438 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 2: of the deadly crash Charles. 439 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 3: He's the driver. 440 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 2: Jean Charles had been driving for BPS with a state 441 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 2: required certification that had expired in December. Trans Dev, which 442 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 2: is the company, the French based company, learned him last year. 443 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: It was about to expire, but he did not renew 444 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: what officials have said, But why did trans Dev not 445 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 2: know that he had not renewed his license. They're trying 446 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 2: to push the culpability onto him, but they have some 447 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 2: culpability too. 448 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 6: Let me ask you a question. That little boy was 449 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 6: hit in Dorchester. 450 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 2: Correct, it was actually Hyde Park High Park. 451 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 6: Now what company was he driving for in Hyde Park? 452 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: He was driving for for The company was called trans 453 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: Dev dev t R A N S like the first 454 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 2: five letters of transportation and then DV so trans Dev. 455 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm surprised that the Department of Transportation out of 456 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 6: Boston has even investigated that. That's crazy, that's insane. 457 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I have no idea if the District 458 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 2: Attorney's office has taken this guy's passport away. You know, 459 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: they run these investigations and the public is in the dark. 460 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: But again, if the people don't call and and have 461 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: the same passion that you have and John had earlier, 462 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: the politicians say. 463 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 3: Well, they don't care about it, you know, they. 464 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 4: Know it's like you know about it. 465 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 6: That's that's making me look bad on top of it all, 466 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 6: because I'm a bus driver. 467 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, and I'm sure that you take a great 468 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: deal of care. 469 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: What would you do. 470 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: Here's what this guy did. And I'm going to ask 471 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: you this hypothetically, and I said something, and if I'm wrong, 472 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 2: feel free to tell me I'm wrong. 473 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: Chris, because yeah, I will this than I do. 474 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: I suspect you will so. So I don't know if 475 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 2: they have bus monitors along with the driver on one 476 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: of these buses, but obviously I think they should have. 477 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 6: So do you realize that monitors It depends on it's 478 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 6: this you know, special needs. But we I'm the company 479 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 6: I'm working with right now, we have a when the 480 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 6: kids are acting up, we have a monitor co ride 481 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 6: with us to make sure these kids aren't acting up 482 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 6: on the bus. 483 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is when when he stops, he 484 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 2: was supposed to have dropped this little boy and his 485 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 2: eleven year old cousin across the street. So when they 486 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 2: got off the bus on the you know, the passenger 487 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: side steps on the sidewalk, and two steps later, he's 488 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: on on his home. His house is his home, his home, 489 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 2: the property of his home. He's across the street. So 490 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: the bus driver has to know that this five and 491 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 2: eleven year old have to cross a street. 492 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 6: To say okay, it's okay to cross. He used to 493 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,959 Speaker 6: have been paying attention to these children getting off the bus. 494 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, let me let me 495 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: ask you this. 496 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 3: Here's my question. 497 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 2: Would have been appropriate to turn the bus off, take 498 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: the keys, so no one's going to start the bus 499 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 2: and get off before the knowing that he had gone 500 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: to drop the child off at the wrong location, and 501 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: he should have someone should have been there to help 502 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 2: the kid come across the street. 503 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 3: He did not. 504 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: He not only didn't get off the bus to help 505 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: the kid across the street, he drove the bus and 506 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 2: drove over the kid and killed the kid. 507 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's that's insane. But we are not allowed 508 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 6: to get off our buses unless we have a monitor aboard. Okay, 509 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 6: and the moms across the street waiting for the child 510 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 6: if ins a kending god, because we can't let the 511 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 6: kid and gotten off without the parents. 512 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: I think it was a grandmother who was waiting gross street. 513 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: Maybe what he should have said was he should have, 514 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: you know, said to her, you have to come and 515 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: get your get your grandchild. I don't want that child 516 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: crossing the street alone and it might have caused him 517 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 2: to have to wait an extra couple of minutes. 518 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 6: That's bad, that's too bad. If the parent's not dere 519 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 6: we don't let the kids off the bus. We just 520 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 6: keep going on our route and we make we make 521 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 6: a phone call on the two way, tell him, call 522 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 6: the mom, tell them we'll come back after we drop 523 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 6: off the rest of our kids, because we're not going 524 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 6: to sit there and wait for our mother. And cat's 525 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 6: shopping because Christmas is coming. A lot of people shopping. 526 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 6: Oh I'm running. Wait. Well, you know what. You should 527 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 6: have planned this before. 528 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 3: You got it. 529 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 2: Chris, thank you so much for the call, A lot 530 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: of good information. I appreciate. 531 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 3: Have you called the show bere for us. 532 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 4: This is your first time, this is my first time. 533 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: We've got to give you a run and applause. Chris, 534 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: thank you very much. I really do appreciate it. 535 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 6: I hope they press charges on them, I really do. 536 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 4: I hope. 537 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 6: I hope something something's being done with the company too, 538 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 6: because that's ridiculous. 539 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: I just hope justice is done. Let me put it 540 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: like that, if you know what I'm saying. Thank you, Chris, 541 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: talk to you soon. 542 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: Good night. 543 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: Take quick break one line at six one, seven, two, five, 544 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: four ten thirty one line and uh at at six one, seven, nine, three, 545 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 2: one ten thirty. I'm more than happy to talk about 546 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: this into the next hour as well. I have a 547 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: topic schedule, but not a guest scheduled. We'll be back 548 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 2: with more phone calls right after this. I'm outraged. I'm outraged. 549 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: It's taken more than six months to give us any information. 550 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: And if it wasn't for a great piece that'll be 551 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: tomorrow Morning's Boston Globe written by John Hilliard, I wouldn't 552 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: have known about this. I knew about the story, but 553 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 2: I know a lot more about it right now because 554 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: of the story that will be in the Globe tomorrow morning. 555 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 3: Coming back on Nightside. 556 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w ME, 557 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 558 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna move call us a little bit more quickly. 559 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: Bob is in Halifax, Massachusetts. Noticed so far not one 560 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: call from from Boston, which is shameful. 561 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 5: Bob, right ahead, technically after Boston. I worked for the 562 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 5: Boston Schools for fifty years. I'm telling you this is 563 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 5: a horrible tragedy. But to elevate it to a you know, 564 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 5: a criminal complaint and everything, it's never going to happen. 565 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 5: It's sad, it's tragic, and art you can do is 566 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 5: learn from it. Let me ask you what will never 567 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 5: have it happen again? 568 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 3: Bob? 569 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 2: Let don't we ask you a quick question if I could, 570 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: since you have some experience, if if you or I 571 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 2: were driving our car and we struck. 572 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 5: Someone and oh, I agree, one hundred percent agreed. 573 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 2: My question is what would be was the guy was trying. 574 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 5: To get out of the area. That's what happened. He 575 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 5: sides like a couple of cars, and he knew we 576 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 5: did some damage. He wanted to get the hell out 577 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 5: of there, and he started making some quick moves and 578 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 5: that's what costs lens Wall to his wife. But there's 579 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 5: a portrait of lens Walls that you have to have. 580 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 5: If you haven't seen it yourself, find it. 581 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 4: It's it's it's. 582 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 5: Spectacular and that ought to be hanging everywhere in my opinion, 583 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 5: along with Martin Ridgard and anyone else. I mean, we 584 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 5: had and mind fifty years we had kids that's got 585 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 5: off of us try to climb a snowbank, you know 586 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,959 Speaker 5: how fat up snow is, got back down and and 587 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 5: went under the wheel. So they didn't get killed. But 588 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 5: may I mean, this is something that's happened in my 589 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 5: town of Halifax. We had a little boy in a 590 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 5: in a h his father was pushing him across a 591 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 5: stop a shop, a walk, uh painted on the We 592 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 5: didn't have a stop light at the police station. Across 593 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 5: the across the street is a post office. This guy 594 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 5: came out of the one of the toniest subdivisions, that's 595 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 5: the Halifax Country Club. Mister, you know, mister mom pushes 596 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 5: one kid in a baby carriage across an impatient elderly 597 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 5: woman stops besides that there's something wrong. She's going to 598 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 5: pass all those cars and she grinves by the stream 599 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 5: of cars and hits this little boy who's on one 600 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 5: of those little toy prices. He kills it, and we 601 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 5: still don't have a stoplight there. It bugs that hell out. 602 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 2: I'll bet you she was charged with the HKYO homicide 603 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: at the minimum. 604 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 5: I'll bet she was. I have no idea he was elderly. 605 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 5: I've seen stuff on the highway right by that please 606 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 5: stake it. Pod workers coming off the box dog tied 607 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 5: literally in your lane, coming up by that post office, 608 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 5: up by hill, freaking you out, you know. And all 609 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 5: of a sudden, somebody grabs a wheel and pulls it 610 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 5: back toward the curb and there's no collision. 611 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 2: But all right, Well, look, Bob, I appreciate I appreciate 612 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: you call. I appreciate your support, particularly with your background. 613 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to stay on this case, I promise you. 614 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 3: I'm like a dog. 615 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 5: I agree, I agree. Don't let it die. I'm not 616 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 5: going everybody to take a look at les portrait. Yeah, 617 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 5: it's amazing, and it's amazing. 618 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 2: And Bob, you're a good man to have called in 619 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: and I appreciate it. And it's only with supportive people 620 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 2: like you can we fight this. Thank you, Bob, appreciate it. 621 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, that a great night too. 622 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 4: Let me go to. 623 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 2: Larry down to the Cape. 624 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 3: Larry and the Cape next on nightside, go right ahead. 625 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 7: And this is infuriating. You know, my son's the Boston detective. 626 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 3: Yes, I do know that he used. 627 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 7: To be in a division called vehicular Homicide. Sure, this 628 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 7: is this is all they do is investigate this stuff, right, 629 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 7: Has anybody contacted that unit? 630 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: Well, that unit, as I'm sure you know, through your son, 631 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: h does their investigations and then that unit would, through 632 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 2: the normal chain of command, pass on to the District 633 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 2: Attorney's office something, you know, their findings. 634 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 3: And I am. 635 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 2: Sure that the DA is sitting on this. I don't 636 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 2: know why. Maybe there's a legitimate reason why he wants 637 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 2: to hold off on bringing charges. I don't know that 638 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 2: the reports have been very consistent. This guy apparently was 639 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: not They do not believe he was on drugs or on. 640 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 3: Alcohol. 641 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 2: So it's a question of negligence. It's a question of 642 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 2: the Hiculo homicide. There's a five year old dead boy. 643 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: He watched that kid walk off the bus. He closed 644 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 2: the door, and within a matter of seconds, according to 645 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 2: the Globe article, he began to drive, knowing that he 646 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 2: had dropped the kid off on the wrong side of 647 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 2: the street, and he ran this kid over. 648 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 7: I mean, what's it's it's discouraging. I'm going to Thanksgiving 649 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 7: to my son's house. I'll just ask her if he 650 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 7: knows anything. 651 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would really appreciate that. There you have my number, 652 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 2: give me a call because if I find out that 653 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 2: that you know, and if I tell your son that, 654 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 2: if that, if you tell me you if you want 655 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,959 Speaker 2: to tell me by deep background, off the record, that's fine. 656 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 3: But if you if. 657 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 7: You tell me, I don't everything is off the record. 658 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 7: Believe I don't want to get my son. 659 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 3: No, I understand that. 660 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 2: Say be careful what you find out and then be 661 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: careful what you tell me, because I will tell you that. 662 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: I you know, I I can tell you that I 663 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 2: would keep it between you and me, but I don't 664 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 2: want to get myself dragged into a one know. 665 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 7: Do I want you to understand have Thanksgiving and yelling 666 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 7: about no. 667 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 2: No, she's cutting she's cutting Christmas trees in Nova Scotia, 668 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 2: you know with family portraits lyn'ce Joseph was it didn't 669 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 2: get to go on the trip to Nova Scotia to 670 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 2: cut the Christmas tree, did he? I know, I appreciate 671 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 2: it so much. Thank you, my friend, Thank you. Uh, 672 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 2: let me get one more here, and you're gonna do Rob. 673 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna hold Steve from Bridgewater over if I have to. Steve, 674 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 2: I only get about a minute, but I'll be happy 675 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 2: to hold you over on the other side of the 676 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 2: tent if you like, because we'll stick with this on 677 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 2: the other side of the tent. 678 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 3: Go right ahead, all right? 679 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was just couldn't ask. I mean, I'm 680 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 4: outridged by the tomb. The kid got off the bus, 681 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 4: Like you said, why didn't you wait to see the 682 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 4: kid cross the street before. 683 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 2: D Yeah, I mean that's why it was. 684 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 4: Waiting looking both ways to see if a car was coming, 685 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 4: and he'd moved before the cave got a chance to carus. 686 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, this is this is outrageous. This is this 687 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,479 Speaker 2: is not let's assume that hypothetically. I remember one time 688 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 2: a long time ago, late at night, driving home and 689 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 2: I was in Hyde Park, uh, and a dog ran 690 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 2: out in front of my car. I couldn't stop and 691 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 2: I hit the dog. 692 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 4: Uh. 693 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 2: It was like twelve thirty and there are a bunch 694 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 2: of people out there, and I said, well, you know, 695 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 2: I may, I may get a beating here, but I 696 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 2: know I wasn't. I'm not drunk, I'm I'm driving. I 697 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 2: went back, talked to them. They appreciated the fact that 698 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 2: I stopped. I felt horrible. I felt horrible, but I 699 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 2: was in one of those streets where his cars on 700 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 2: both sides aparked. Uh, and the dog just got off 701 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 2: the leash uh and and ran out in front of 702 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 2: my car. But there's no way after hitting a dog 703 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 2: that I'm going to drive off. And if I was 704 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 2: going to get a beating that night by a bunch 705 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 2: of drunks, I'll take the beating as opposed to driving off. 706 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 2: To be honest with you, and that's what I did. 707 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 2: I was about I was twenty years old at the time, 708 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 2: A long time. 709 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, all right, there was something else that 710 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 4: was going to ask me, what do you think would 711 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 4: carry me over till after. 712 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to carry over. So you stay there. 713 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 2: You'll beat the first up on the other side. Okay, 714 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 2: thanks Stave. Rob will take care of that. The only 715 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 2: line opened is six one seven Boston. This happened in Boston. 716 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 2: I want to hear from you as well, and I 717 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 2: want to hear from everyone on this one. 718 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 3: This is an outrage. 719 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 2: Let's work to We can't bring this little boys back 720 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: to life, but let's let's do this in his memory, 721 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 2: and let's make sure we get justice for Len Lens 722 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 2: Joseph coming back on nightside