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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor is speaking with the media right now. Let's

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Speaker 2: go to the venue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium.

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Speaker 3: Likely right now, this Frank injury, so so that'll take

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Speaker 3: him out cam sample. We're still working through. That could

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Speaker 3: be a week to week thing for him with his oblique.

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Speaker 3: Any other you can ask me about any of the

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Speaker 3: guys that aren't hitting my head right now, I'm trying to.

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Speaker 4: Chamar what kind of led to him getting placed on

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Speaker 4: IR timing of we did give the nature of when

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Speaker 4: the injury occurred.

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Speaker 3: Well, you you had all that time to gather all

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Speaker 3: the information to decide if we thought it was going

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Speaker 3: to be a four week injury or not whish it is.

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Speaker 3: So we had through the bye week, if I'm not mistaken, right,

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Speaker 3: and then all the way up to Saturday before and

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Speaker 3: so there was really no reason to do before then,

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Speaker 3: even though we knew that's where it was.

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Speaker 5: Training Joe, Okay, sure, I just helped, Yes, but Trey

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Speaker 5: this week, he's doubtful right now? Okay, you have a

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Speaker 5: timetable on Trey.

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Speaker 6: No, we just keep taking a week's week, Zach.

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Speaker 7: Give you had conversations with Jamar about what happened yesterday

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Speaker 7: in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 6: I have, Yeah, I'll just keep that to myself.

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Speaker 7: You are you concerned about the image of the organization

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Speaker 7: being really under a lot of criticism nationally, And I'm

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Speaker 7: just curious what the conversations are like internally that you

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Speaker 7: have all the time with Mike and Katie and Troy

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Speaker 7: on on matters like that.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I've always been impressed with how

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Speaker 3: Jamar has handled himself because he is in a lot

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Speaker 3: of these situations where he's got a target as a

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Speaker 3: test top player. He gets a lot of respect that way,

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Speaker 3: and so guys try to do a lot of things

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Speaker 3: to get his attention and get him off his game.

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Speaker 3: And I've always thought it was unbelievable Always handled himself

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Speaker 3: in some really high pressure emotional decisions. Obviously, what happened

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Speaker 3: just crossed my line. We can't have that, and I

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Speaker 3: know he'll own up to that. But beyond that, I've

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Speaker 3: always had up here and praise Jamar because he's he's

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Speaker 3: one of the best leaders we've got. The way he

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Speaker 3: goes about everything, he plays with the tumbel of emotion.

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Speaker 3: He plays with a ton of leadership. Our guys respond

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Speaker 3: to that, and I've always appreciated Always handled himself, and.

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Speaker 5: He has the reason.

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Speaker 7: I ask you, as you're really the only one you

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Speaker 7: have to talk to a new organization that can reflect

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Speaker 7: how the organization fels after a really unfortunate.

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Speaker 5: Ugly moment like yesterday, Yeah, how do you feel? How

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Speaker 5: do they feel? Well?

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Speaker 6: Again?

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Speaker 3: I just Jamar is one of my favorite Probably love

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Speaker 3: how this guy handles everything that he's been a part of.

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Speaker 3: So making one mistake doesn't doesn't disregard everything this guy's

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Speaker 3: done that's been positive for us, And so I think

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Speaker 3: that's what you're asking. I really don't know what you're asking.

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Speaker 3: But again, I can't say enough positive things about Jamar

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Speaker 3: and think about the amount of situations people have tried

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Speaker 3: to put him in and the way that he's always responded.

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Speaker 3: And we're not all perfect. We're going to make a

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Speaker 3: mistake here and there. But I stand by Jamar and

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Speaker 3: I know is an emotional situation. I know there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of things going on there that lead to things

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Speaker 3: like that, and and again we'll just continue to move

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Speaker 6: Now, I haven't I haven't heard anything.

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Speaker 5: Do you anticipate having Jamoar?

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to make any I have no idea.

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Speaker 4: Is it someone disappointing given how much he had met

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Speaker 4: out to be a captain this year and made a

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Speaker 4: especially with us maybe on the field, and for him

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Speaker 4: to kind of have this said.

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Speaker 3: No, no again. People are allowed to make a mistake.

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Speaker 3: So that's all I'll say about it.

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Speaker 8: With cam out, did Josh step in as a starter

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Speaker 8: or do you look at your options there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll keep walking through what was our best fit

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Speaker 9: Yes, this is a two part question, But how did

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Speaker 9: Joe's beat go in terms of comfort?

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Speaker 5: How did he tell you, guys he fell in?

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Speaker 9: Really your record play into your decision on if you

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Speaker 9: were only to let him play the rest of the season.

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Speaker 3: The starting point is he did seven on seven last week,

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Speaker 3: came out of the week feeling good, and so then

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Speaker 3: this week the plan will be let's get the Wednesday

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Speaker 3: and see if we can work in some eleven on

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Speaker 3: on what the timeline is beyond that, because there's just

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Speaker 3: steps we got to follow. Seven on seven great did

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Speaker 3: an individual and now we continue with the rehab phase

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Speaker 3: next week, and that's eleven on eleven.

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Speaker 6: That's getting bodies around.

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Speaker 3: Him, seeing how he feels, seeing how he moves, And

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Speaker 3: so until we on any of that, there's no reason

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Speaker 5: Going to be record impacted at all or that.

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Speaker 3: I think right now he's of the mindset that he

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Speaker 3: we'll just continue to get through his rehab progression and

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Speaker 3: see where that ends up before we make any decision

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Speaker 5: And he does get through that, and since he wants.

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Speaker 6: To play it, I'll just wait to see.

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Speaker 3: I'll wait to see how we get through the rehab

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Speaker 3: progression first before I answer those questions.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate the effort.

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Speaker 5: Though, isn't the same over try as well? Injury wise?

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Speaker 5: Is it is it just health or is it based

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Speaker 5: on record to a certain degree as.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's it's him feeling healthy, you know.

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Speaker 4: Reflected on kind of what didn't go like for y'all

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Speaker 4: enough yesterday, what's the biggest seat that jumps out?

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Speaker 6: Well, that was always going to be a really grimmy game.

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Speaker 3: That's when you when you go on the road in

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Speaker 3: the division versus difficult opponent with the conditions. It shouldn't

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Speaker 3: surprise anybody when the score is thirteen to nine, you know,

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Speaker 3: late in the third quarter with us having a chance

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Speaker 3: to drive it. So then the two turnovers that led

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Speaker 3: to point changes the whole narrative of the game. So

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Speaker 3: probably realistically that game, we if we possessed the ball

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Speaker 3: and don't have any turnovers and the turn about zero zero.

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Speaker 3: It's probably very similar to the Week eighteen game last

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Speaker 3: whatever it is with the team with the ball with

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Speaker 3: lose the turno battle two to nothing and that leads

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Speaker 3: directly to fourteen points, then that's the way that the

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Speaker 3: game ends like that, and we didn't give ourselves a

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Speaker 3: great chance to finish that the way we wanted to.

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Speaker 5: Oay, but it's probably gonna be it for him, Yes, surgery.

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Speaker 5: He's not for the year right.

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Speaker 6: I don't have that information yet.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but if he did, that would probably be.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I shouldn't speculate.

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Speaker 3: I have very limited information of wrapped up all this

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Speaker 3: with the team briefly met with the trainers. All the

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Speaker 3: information I had is there's a very likely chance of surgery.

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Speaker 6: That's all I know.

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Speaker 4: How do you feel like he obviously had some ups

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Speaker 4: and downs this year? How do you feel like he

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Speaker 4: How would.

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Speaker 5: You sell him up? His year to date?

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Speaker 6: Alsome up what it was? Most recently?

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Speaker 3: I thought he came out and competing for us recently,

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Speaker 3: you know, after going through a lot of adversity. I

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Speaker 3: thought his response was the right one. He went out

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Speaker 3: and had a great attitude and brought energy to the group.

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Speaker 3: And so it's unfortunate that, you know, we had the

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Speaker 3: cam caames a likable guy.

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Speaker 6: He's energetic. You want to pull for him.

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Speaker 3: So I was happy to see him rebound off some

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Speaker 3: year to come back and play the way that we

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Speaker 3: expected him to play.

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Speaker 6: That was good to see. And it's unfortunate. Word it

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Speaker 5: We talked a lot about tackling in here this year.

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Speaker 6: How concerned you.

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Speaker 8: When you watch yesterday's tape and some of the effort

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Speaker 3: Else, Yeah, I do, I understand. Some of it looks

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Speaker 3: looks bad. You can't run from that. And the hard

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Speaker 3: part was there were some situations we were great on

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Speaker 3: first and second down. We got him into the situations

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Speaker 3: then you just got to get a guy down in space,

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Speaker 3: and we didn't do a good enough job of that.

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Speaker 6: So I can't say a lot more about it.

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Speaker 3: We've we've talked about it, we talked about it in industry,

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Speaker 3: we work on it, We do every technique we can

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Speaker 3: let it happen, and it hasn't happened on a consistent basis.

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Speaker 3: There were some examples just through that were really good,

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Speaker 3: you know, some that maybe hadn't shown up as much,

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Speaker 3: but I thought there were some really good ones. One

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Speaker 3: So there were some that I thought were really good.

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Speaker 3: And then some obviously where we've got to be better

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Speaker 10: And he said, you know, you don't at disicipate any

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Speaker 6: Why why is that not an answer? Well, tackling is

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Speaker 6: not the only thing we have to factor in.

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Speaker 3: We have to factor in knowledge of the defense and

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Speaker 3: ability to get lined up and play coverages and respond

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Speaker 3: to the run game. And so there's more than just tackling.

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Speaker 3: It's frustrating when tackling is an issue, but there's a

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Speaker 3: lot more that goes into whether player players or not.

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Speaker 3: We factor in everything, and we talk about these things

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Speaker 3: every week on whether we want to make a personal

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Speaker 3: decision or not. But there's just more that's got a

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Speaker 3: factor into it than than one element of his game.

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Speaker 6: And there are times, I'm sure there's been.

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Speaker 3: Times where there's been one element that's been a deciding

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Speaker 3: factor on whether guys players or not. But I think

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Speaker 3: in some of these cases that you're probably bringing up,

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Speaker 3: there's more to it that plays into it, and we

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Speaker 3: way to approach it. If we don't know that there's

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Speaker 6: You have to fight for it every day.

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Speaker 3: I've probably had twelve conversations in my office this morning,

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Speaker 3: So I keep hearing this, it's like we're trying to

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Speaker 3: He's still in some ways, he's a veteran, He's still

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Speaker 3: I just we're going to move past that. And he's

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Speaker 3: He's a guy I'll put at the forefront of any

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Speaker 3: So I hope you understand my position on this because

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, but as you've had some of these conversations

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I think everyone has to do it in their

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Speaker 3: The biggest mistake you can make is asking too much

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Speaker 3: That's not how they operate, that's not how they lead.

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Speaker 3: Plenty of great leadership. It's just guys leading by example

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Speaker 6: You can lead a lot of different ways.

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Speaker 3: You can lead just by encouraging another guy your position

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Speaker 3: you're doing it that way. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of these moments. I've been in a

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Speaker 6: Who needs to be a part of the journey.

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Speaker 3: Going forward, and I see a lot of guys in

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Speaker 5: What would your message be to the NFL as they

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Speaker 3: I think the proof is in the putting with how

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Speaker 6: Over and over and over.

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Speaker 6: Oh, that's we have to win. You have to.

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Speaker 3: You know that, that's our whole business.

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Speaker 6: It eats us.

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Speaker 3: Every loss eats us alive, you know, And sometimes we

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Speaker 3: I understand that whole part of it, and we're just

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Speaker 6: We have to win.

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Speaker 3: We got to find a way to do it, and

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Speaker 5: Sometimes the hardest things sack. You know this as a coach.

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Speaker 6: You can't worry about it moving forward.

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Speaker 6: It's got to hurt you. You get it has to

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Speaker 3: That's a bad place to be, and unfortunately that's that's

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Speaker 5: That makes said, do you feel Do you feel that enough?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I do, I really do. I see it.

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Speaker 6: Finish in the game.

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Speaker 6: He's a tremendous job. Number One.

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Speaker 3: I haven't gotten into their team yet. You know, we're

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Speaker 3: Mike has always treated me really well. We we don't

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Speaker 12: Throughout the year, a lot of the defensive players have

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Speaker 12: you know, talked about with their struggles, like you know,

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Speaker 12: if you saw how how well we're practicing during the week,

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Speaker 12: you know you wouldn't really it doesn't look the same

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Speaker 12: as it is in a game when when we're missing tackles.

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Speaker 12: What is it that it just isn't translating from the

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Speaker 12: from the practice field yet, That's.

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean, I think that's part of it. Obviously

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Speaker 3: you're not tackling in practice, but the no note team

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Speaker 3: is that's just make that clear. So again, I haven't

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Speaker 3: done this for seven years now. I've seen I've seen

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Speaker 3: tough practice where it's not great and you have a

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Speaker 3: bad feeling. I've seen good teams practice, and unfortunately we

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Speaker 3: haven't capitalized on it fully in the game to be

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Speaker 3: able to close out some games the way we want.

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Speaker 3: We've been close, but we haven't got it done. But

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Speaker 3: I know that the DNA's in there and we're capable

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Speaker 3: of doing it, and it's going to take one win

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Speaker 3: to propel us, and we've got to find a way

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Speaker 3: to get that first one.

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Speaker 5: Well, you guys find Burks.

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Speaker 7: It was kind of kind of I have to thought

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Speaker 7: almost I feel I think he split the snaps.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday with Night.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he's taken from the leadership wise.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're certainly not. He's earned opportunity, and so I

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Speaker 3: think he's done a great job. He's got a great

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Speaker 3: understanding what we're trying to achieve on special teams, ain't

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Speaker 3: on defense, and so we're not afraid to put him

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Speaker 3: in there. Not really an after thought for us when

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Speaker 3: we signed him. You know, there was I understand the comment.

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Speaker 3: I know, I understand, but for us, it wasn't for us.

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Speaker 3: He was a very deliberate He's he's did a good

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Speaker 3: job in Philly last year, especially as a starter there

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs, and he just look at his track

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Speaker 3: record in San fran and May and Philly and obviously

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Speaker 3: knows what it takes to win. He's been a part

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Speaker 3: of multiple multiple NFC championship games and Super Bowls, and

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Speaker 3: so happy to have him and he'll continue to play

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Speaker 3: from maybe the last Well, it's just I think just stability, maturity.

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Speaker 3: He's a professional man, He's he's been a great example

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Speaker 3: for a lot of progress.

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Speaker 2: Zach.

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Speaker 4: Do you get a sense of the frustration around the

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Speaker 4: city from fans kind of as the season kind of

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Speaker 4: goes the way it does in the last couple of years,

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Speaker 4: how they've went, you get a sense of a frustration

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Speaker 4: that's kind.

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Speaker 3: Of I'm not oblivious. I have to isolate myself. I

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Speaker 3: have to That's the only way I can function. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's understandable. But you also, again, it's no

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Speaker 3: one puts more pressure on us than I do on

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Speaker 3: myself to get it right.

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Speaker 6: And so.

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Speaker 3: I'm not oblivious to frustration. And I know what our

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Speaker 3: record is, and so that would lead to that, And

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Speaker 3: I don't blame anybody for feeling that way. It's it's

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Speaker 3: our job as a as an NFL team to go

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Speaker 3: find wins and create energy and joy in this fan

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Speaker 3: base and our organization, in our locker room, coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: Winning Winning helps everybody do their job. The next day

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Speaker 3: the next week, and I want nothing more than that.

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Speaker 3: And I know if if we can stream together some wins,

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Speaker 3: we'll start to build build, build some some optimism. But

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Speaker 3: but first we've got to show a step in the

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Speaker 3: right direction. I'm doing that.

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Speaker 6: So until we do that, I understand how difficult it is.

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Speaker 1: This this, here's been a Zach Taylor press conference on

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of US Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Night. There you go, the contractually obligated airing of the

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor slash human pincushion press conference, the head coach

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Speaker 2: of the Bengals talking the day after his team gets

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Speaker 2: destroyed by the Pittsburgh Steelers thirty four to twelve to

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Speaker 2: fall to three and seven. We are in Twin Peaks

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Speaker 2: in Florence. We're here till six o'clock. HiT's the Tony

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Speaker 2: and Mo Football Show. God knows there's a lot to

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Speaker 2: talk about. We'll get to it next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 13: Your daily dose of Adrenaline, Analysis and Attitude, Tony Pikes

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Speaker 13: since e three sixty day twelve noon on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: from a Twin Peaks in Florence today. We are here

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Speaker 2: six o'clock. We love the folks at Twin Peaks. Great food,

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Speaker 2: awesome beer selection. This location, like the one in Westchester,

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Speaker 2: very easy to get to. Just a minute or two

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Speaker 2: off I seventy five. We are here till six Monday night.

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Speaker 2: Football tonight not a great game Dallas and the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: If you're interested in two franchises that used to be great,

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Speaker 2: Twin Peaks. Great place for all your college basketball games

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Speaker 2: this season, the upcoming NFL and College Slate this weekend

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Speaker 2: as well. Twin Peaks and Florence tons of TVs. We

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Speaker 2: thank them for having us. As always, we had a

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Speaker 2: long Zach Taylor press conference. I think the press conference

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Speaker 2: is less important than the game itself. But because we

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Speaker 2: only have about a minute here before we break again

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Speaker 2: to get back on time. Any takeaway from Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 2: media session, Tony.

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Speaker 15: It's hard for me to believe that anything inside the

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Speaker 15: building is gonna change when it sounds like the same

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Speaker 15: press conference weekend and week out, that's my biggest thing.

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Speaker 15: It just doesn't sound like there's urgency, it doesn't sound

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Speaker 15: like there's accountability. It's just same old, same, like weeks ago.

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Speaker 15: Zach had no problem in his press conference saying that

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Speaker 15: he went and had a conversation with Chase Brown because

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Speaker 15: of what he said after the game, and we mentioned

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Speaker 15: that's what I want leaders to do. I want leaders

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Speaker 15: to hold people accountable. Now we're not disclosing any conversations

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Speaker 15: that we're had. Zach has already said he's not going

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Speaker 15: to move on or not going to make any personnel changes,

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Speaker 15: not going to share anything on the Jamar Chase side

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Speaker 15: of things.

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Speaker 16: It just it doesn't feel like.

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Speaker 15: A situation where anything is changing or anything's urgent in

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Speaker 15: the building.

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Speaker 2: Well, there was no urgency to yesterday's performance. No, so

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Speaker 2: I would expect no urgency today. There is a lot

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Speaker 2: to talk about and a lot from yesterday's game to me,

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Speaker 2: just felt painfully inevitable. I know folks aren't interested in

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey, and we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about it. I don't have the band to do three

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Speaker 2: hours on spitting.

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Speaker 16: Nope.

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Speaker 2: And frankly, while that is a significant story and one

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Speaker 2: we will talk about, that wasn't the biggest thing about

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Speaker 2: yesterday's game. No, the biggest things about yesterday's game was

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Speaker 2: how poorly coach the Bengals looked, how bad the defense

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Speaker 2: wasn't crunch time, the fact that Joe Flacco, perhaps very

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Speaker 2: physically compromised, turned into a pumpkin, the fact that the

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Speaker 2: team played with no urgency, like the Jamar Chase spit video,

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Speaker 2: which the one thing I'll say for Zach Taylor is

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Speaker 2: he at least didn't try to insult our intelligence by

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Speaker 2: telling us that he either didn't see it or that

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Speaker 2: Jamar didn't spit because he did. That is a footnote

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Speaker 2: and a side show, and unfortunately a part of I

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Speaker 2: don't know the latest chapter in the Bengals Steelers rivalry. Yep,

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Speaker 2: that's not the most important thing that happened yesterday. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk about what was when we come back twenty eight

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Speaker 2: from four o'clock Tony and Mo Football Show Twin Pigs

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Speaker 2: Liz Frank injury suffered during the Bengals loss to the

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Speaker 2: in video yesterday from Jamar and Chase Jamar for his part,

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Speaker 2: not showing any desire to speak with the media today.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Tony and Mo Football Show Twin Peaks in Florence.

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Speaker 2: We are here till six at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: I guess my big takeaway from yesterday is how did

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Speaker 2: a forty year old backup quarterback who's physically compromised. He

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Speaker 2: it during wednesday's practice. The Steelers made an adjustment to

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Speaker 2: how they played the Bengals. We talked about it so

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Speaker 2: much after the first game, God, why are they playing

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Speaker 2: so much man demand? Well, it would then seem to

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Speaker 2: me that it would be logical to assume the Steelers

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Speaker 2: in the second game would switch it up and play zone.

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Speaker 2: They did. Bengals had no answer. Didn't play with any urgency,

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Speaker 2: didn't play with any urgency all season long, didn't in

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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter yesterday. That's not surprising. And when Al

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Speaker 2: Golden's defense is put in a position where you can

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Speaker 2: affect the game, you can give your team a chance

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Speaker 2: to win, you knew they wouldn't because they haven't all

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Speaker 2: year long. And that's exactly what happened in the fourth

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Speaker 2: I said they would, the way the game unfolded, to

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Speaker 15: That's the problem is that losses are now becoming normal,

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Speaker 15: and the ways in which they are losing are now

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Speaker 16: The Jets loss the Bears loss.

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Speaker 15: Those should not be occurrences that happen in back to

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Speaker 15: back weeks, let alone the same time in the season,

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Speaker 15: and then yesterday we get the exact same thing. Offensively,

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Speaker 15: you call it what it is. They let Jamar Chase

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Speaker 15: catch sixteen passes on twenty three targets in Cincinnati on

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Speaker 15: Thursday Night football. You knew they got criticized for running

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Speaker 15: man to man. They weren't gonna come out, and yet

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Speaker 15: it looked like the Bengals had no answer for zone

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Speaker 15: defense and zone pressures. Not sure how that's a thing.

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Speaker 15: They were unable to get Jamar Chase going. And what

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Speaker 15: did we hear after the game again a phrase that

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Speaker 15: a really good job of game planning to take Jamar

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Speaker 15: Chase out of the game. Do we have to have

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Speaker 15: this same conversation today of you shouldn't let another team

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00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 15: dictate who you have and who you can go to. No, well,

660
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 15: we've already done that so many times you just become

661
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 15: numb to it. The defensive side of the ball, I

662
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 15: know they gave opportunities to the offense in the first

663
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 15: half in the second half, Mason Rudolph was the quarterback,

664
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 15: and in the second half the Pittsburgh Steelers, outside of

665
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 15: a kneel down on the final possession, had two drives.

666
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 16: Two drives, both.

667
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 15: Multiple ten play drives in which Mason Rudolph, in bad

668
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 15: field conditions in high winds, converted on third and two,

669
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 15: third and eleven, third and seventeen, third and one and

670
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 15: third and eleven, third and long. Should not be converted

671
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 15: that easily in the NFL. And oh, by the way,

672
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 15: wasn't throwing the ball twenty yards down the field. It

673
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 15: was a dump off to Darnell Washington in which multiple

674
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 15: Bengals made business decisions to not.

675
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 16: Make a tackle.

676
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 15: It was a dump off to Kenneth Gainwell where no

677
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 15: one wanted to tackle in space. It is the same

678
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 15: thing that we've seen plague this defense game in and

679
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 15: game out. The linebackers, the safeties are an issue. Joe

680
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 15: Flacco's health, in my opinion, is an issue. If I'm

681
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 15: sitting back on the TV and I can say, well,

682
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 15: with the win and Joe Flacco's arm, it looks like

683
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 15: his arm angle is a little bit compromised. He's not

684
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 15: as accurate guess who else can pick up on that

685
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 15: the Steelers, so they start jumping the short routes that

686
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 15: leads to a pick six. Next thing, you know, Joe Flacco,

687
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 15: as you mentioned last week, starting to turn into a

688
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 15: little bit of a pumpkin. The Jalen Ramsey and Jamar

689
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 15: Chase thing is a mess. Everything about this team right

690
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 15: now is a mess. And the Jalen Ramsey and Jamar

691
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 15: Chase thing actually covered up one of the worst decisions

692
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 15: of the Zach Taylor era, which we'll dive into, I'm

693
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 15: sure at some point, the drive which they use two

694
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 15: timeouts and then a couple of plays later take a

695
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 15: delay of game only to settle for a field goal

696
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 15: on a drive that felt like they were playing up

697
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 15: eleven and not down eleven.

698
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: And yet, in spite of everything you just outlined, with

699
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: nine to forty one to go with a backup quarterback,

700
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers have the football. Not granted, the Bengals

701
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: can't do anything unique on special teams, so Evan McPherson

702
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: just wax into the end zone. So Pittsburgh's gonna start

703
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: at the thirty five with a backup quarterback. All you

704
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: gotta do is get off the field. Yep, so many

705
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: times this year, say what you want about the games,

706
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: were the defensive issues or coaching decisions or whatever their

707
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: personnel issues are. How many times this year has the

708
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: game been still at least somewhat hanging in the balance

709
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. Maybe the Bengals are winning, Maybe

710
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: the Bengals are losing, but they have a chance to

711
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: give the football back to their offense. There they were

712
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: yesterday in a similar position to what they have been

713
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: in all season long. Right, yep, down a possession, if

714
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: you get off the field, you got a chance, You

715
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: got a chance, And that crowd is going to start

716
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: to express some level of reservation. Right, it's a game

717
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 2: they need to win. Their quarterback has heard he's got

718
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: a bum wrist, and they go down the field. In

719
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: twelve plays, they kill six minutes plus worth of clock,

720
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: and they salt the game away. Yet again, This was

721
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: my question all off season, and I know I keep

722
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: coming back to this, but the Bengals keep doing the

723
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: same thing. Forget about league average defense. I need a

724
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: defense that, when the game is hanging in the balance,

725
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: can get a stop to finish the game, or get

726
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: a stop to give the ball back to the quarterback

727
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: every single time this year they have failed, and they

728
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: failed yesterday. That to me, like, that's the big takeaway.

729
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: Two weeks after Zach Taylor said Al Golden's the guy,

730
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: two weeks after he insisted, we can have a championship

731
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: level defense with what we have.

732
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 16: No staff changes, no staff change.

733
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: Radio silence from Duke Tobin who built this defense. All right,

734
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: here's a chance to show you know what that faith

735
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: is deserved. Here's a chance to show you, you know

736
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 2: what it's different in the second half of the season.

737
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: And instead it was more of the same. Twelve plays,

738
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: sixty five yards, six minutes elapsed, They convert on third

739
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: and eleven that were stuck on second and fifteen. They

740
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: convert two different third downs, and the Steelers sought the

741
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: game away against Al Golan's defense.

742
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 15: You know, outside of as much as you just said,

743
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 15: what's even more demoralizing is this comes after a bye week,

744
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 15: right right? It comes after Did you watch Sunday Night Football?

745
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 16: I did.

746
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 15: Did the Steelers look like the ill prepared team that

747
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 15: had a shortened week. It was the Bengals out of

748
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 15: a bye that looked unprepared, that didn't look ready for

749
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 15: a zone defense on offense, the defense that had no

750
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 15: answer for Mason Rudolph of all people in the second half.

751
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 15: It is it's a comedy of airs. And I go

752
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 15: back to a word on both sides of the ball

753
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 15: that you never want to be used as a team soft. Yep,

754
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 15: they're soft on both sides of the ball. Outside of

755
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 15: a couple players. A defense is soft. The offense is soft.

756
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 15: They don't have guys that are gonna dig their heels

757
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 15: in in the trenches and battle you and fight you

758
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 15: and scratch and claw for every opportunity you get. They

759
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 15: just go down without a fight. They are that they

760
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 15: don't have the personnel. And if you don't have the personnel,

761
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 15: you got to have the coaching and the development, and

762
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 15: in my opinion, they don't have either of those. And

763
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 15: the head coach just stood up there on the podium

764
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 15: today and essentially is not taking any accountability for what's

765
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 15: happening other than we'll get it figured out. This is

766
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 15: all gonna be so much better when we get it

767
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 15: figured out, because we're gonna know who the guys are

768
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 15: that are riding with this when this gets turned around.

769
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 15: That's what we're being fed now. When this gets turned around.

770
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 15: How about the captain, the guy that wears the sea

771
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 15: on us chest, Jamar Chase, a day after the video

772
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 15: comes out and you lied. How about just making a

773
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 15: statement today, how about Zach Taylor making a statement today

774
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 15: about Jamar Chase. Instead, this becomes more and more of

775
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 15: an issue because it's not addressed and at the very

776
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 15: core of it's a soft football team on far too

777
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 15: many accounts.

778
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: I do want to talk about what you just said

779
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: about Zach Taylor and Jamar Chase today and we're gonna

780
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: talk about that entire situation coming up in the four

781
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: o'clock hour. To me, the bye week was a chance

782
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: to hit the reset button, however they decided to do.

783
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: He did stretch with end of the day. The bye

784
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: week was a chance to hit the reset button. Maybe

785
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: it was a new defensive coordinator they didn't do that.

786
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: Maybe it was announcing that there's going to be changes

787
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: in the front office that wasn't the case. Maybe it

788
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: was gonna be personnel changes, changes, maybe schematically. Whatever it was,

789
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: it was going to be the reset button. So there

790
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: I was in the fourth quarter yesterday, I going, okay,

791
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: if things are indeed different, if out Golan legitimately is

792
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: the guy. If this defense truly is one that you

793
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: should move forward with, you get a stop here, and

794
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: instead number one, when Mason Rudolph came charging out with

795
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: his bad mustache. Nine minutes to go, they need a

796
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 2: field goal to make it a two possession game. And

797
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: there isn't one of us who had watched to that

798
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: point on a day where the defense did okay ish.

799
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: There wasn't one of us who want, you know what,

800
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: this unit's gonna get a stop. There wasn't one of

801
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: us who has that drive unfolded, didn't think, you know

802
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: what this looks like, exactly what I thought it would

803
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: look like. And when they scored the touchdown, there isn't

804
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: one of us who didn't shrug our shoulders and go, yeah,

805
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: of course, but that was the shot. That moment right

806
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: there was the chance to prove, you know what, the

807
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: faith in the personnel, the faith in the coordinator, the

808
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: faith in the coaching staff, if you want to go

809
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: that far, was justified, was proven. It was validated because

810
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: they got to stop in the sort of situation they

811
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: haven't gotten one in all year long.

812
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 15: They failed, They failed in putting the roster together. They

813
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 15: failed during the bye week, like again, that looked like

814
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 15: a team yesterday that played Sunday night football and then

815
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 15: had a quick turnaround to get back to a normalst.

816
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 16: Sunday game.

817
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 15: It didn't look like a team coming off of by

818
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 15: Did you see any new wrinkles? Did any new wrinkles

819
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 15: jump out to you? Look pretty basic to me. And

820
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 15: we heard after the game again a phrase as a

821
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 15: Bengal fan we've heard far too many times. They just

822
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 15: did a good job of taking away our our guys.

823
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 15: The score was not indicative mo of what that game

824
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 15: really was, when in reality it was this team. No,

825
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 15: they're seven points away from being oh to ten. They

826
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 15: are seven points away. They're a miskick in Cleveland, a

827
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 15: questionable pass interference Colin Travis Hunter and a thirty three

828
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 15: to thirty one victory over Aaron Rodgers and that Pittsburgh

829
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 15: team from being h to ten. They are closer to

830
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 15: the bottom than they are getting back to the top.

831
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 15: And if this just status quo continues on, what will

832
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 15: lead you to believe that anything is going to be different,

833
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 15: What is going to change? What is going to be

834
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 15: the moment that has someone say okay, enough is enough?

835
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 15: Is someone here's my film study today, mondays, you come

836
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 15: back in and you watch the tape, you put the

837
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 15: tape to bed. Who on the defensive side of the

838
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 15: ball stood up today and watched Geno stone if and

839
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 15: what no part of Darnell Washington who stood up and said, Hey,

840
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 15: that's enough, this isn't acceptable.

841
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 16: Is anyone on defense able to do that?

842
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: Now?

843
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 16: Trey Hendrickson in those meetings, is he watching the game tape?

844
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 16: Do you think?

845
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 15: Or is he just doing his own thing? Because there's

846
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 15: no one else on the defense that can stand up

847
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 15: and say, Gino, what is this? What is this effort?

848
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 15: They don't have it? And I'll give you one more.

849
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 15: You know, we often talk about like if you're Mike Brown,

850
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 15: if you're Katie and Duke Tobin sits across from you,

851
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 15: you go, why can't you fix this? What I would

852
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 15: be asking Duke Tobin today is we couldn't have traded

853
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 15: for Kyle dugger Oh.

854
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 16: That safety who had a pick six yesterday?

855
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: We we did? Did we ask the Patriots about him?

856
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 16: What they give up? What the Steelers called a.

857
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: Couple of firsts? Right?

858
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 16: Oh, couble of firsts? Yeah?

859
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: For Kyle Duggar unbelievable legitimately, like, that's a fair question. Yes,

860
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: that's not pounding away unnecessary. We got Geno Stone because

861
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: he took a pay cut. So Duke, let me get

862
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: this straight. I'm watching Geno Stone do his best to

863
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: not tackle a player who plays his position, was acquired

864
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: by the team that we just played and he had

865
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: a pick six against us? Did we ask? Did did

866
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 2: we investigate whether or not we could get him? But

867
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: but you can't ask Duke that question because Duke Tobin

868
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: maybe like on a on a cruise around the world

869
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: for all I know, I don't know where that guy.

870
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 15: Credit who asked it today to Zach Taylor. Yes, so

871
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 15: we didn't have it. We don't have a chance to

872
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 15: ask anyone else. So what at least we're getting to

873
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 15: that point, right, Austin made the point today. You know

874
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 15: who makes a lot of special teams tackles BJ jewles?

875
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Speaker 15: Oh what position does he play?

876
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: Does he play safety?

877
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 16: Can I see him trying to tackle Darnell Washington?

878
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: Is it usually how it works? Like if you're a

879
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: if you're a contributing player on special teams, they expand

880
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: her role and then you get a chance to play

881
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: on the side of the ball where your your normal

882
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: position lies.

883
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Speaker 15: We're waiting on Geno Stone like he was a former

884
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 15: first round pick. He was a seventh round pick.

885
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: In his sixth NFL season, who the.

886
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 16: Baltimore Ravens said, uh, we're good right that in Baltimore's

887
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 16: their secondary is not great. A seventh round pick, and and.

888
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 15: We're like, we're holding onto Geno Stone like he's this

889
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 15: untapped talent that they're gonna eventually get something out of

890
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 15: by developing more.

891
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 16: He's not.

892
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 15: He's a seventh round pick for a reason. He's not

893
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 15: this super fined in the draft. He's not a steal.

894
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 15: A seventh rounder who the Ravens looked at and said,

895
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 15: I'm okay, yeah, I And then who who the Bengals

896
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 15: looked at and said, we're gonna need you to give

897
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Speaker 15: some of that money back.

898
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 16: Who said okay?

899
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Speaker 2: And the remarkable thing about Geno Stone is like he's

900
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: the defensive spokesperson after the game.

901
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 15: Yeah, he's the talking Yeah.

902
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: Again, I keep talking about Duke Tobin, not through the

903
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: lens of frustrated fan. If he works for me, and

904
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: I'm asking repeatedly, why can't you fix this? Today's conversation

905
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: as Duke, Hey, the guy that had to pick six

906
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: against us, the guy who was all over the field

907
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: at safety, a position where we're not great at. Did

908
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: you even make the phone call? Did you try? Did

909
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: we have a chance to get him? I'm gonna guess

910
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: the answers are huh, Duke ton even knows who Kyle

911
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 2: Dugger is. Probably it is seven away from four o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Tony and Mo Football Show.

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Speaker 1: this violent? Speaking of the Patriots, I wonder how I

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Speaker 2: It is the Tony and Moo Football Show from Twin

935
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: Peaks in Florence on ESPN fifteen thirty. Moagger with Tonypike,

936
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: A little bit of a late start to the hour,

937
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: My apologies for that. We are here till six o'clock

938
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: day after the Bengals were beaten by the pittsburghs Dealers

939
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: thirty four to twelve. We'll get to a loss Saturday

940
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: at Nippert Stadium coming up here, and just but a

941
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: lost Cincinnati football weekend, and I'm already looking ahead to

942
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: next this coming weekend to see if, if anything could

943
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: be salvage. I don't think the main headline to yesterday's

944
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: game was Jamar Chase spinning at Jalen Ramsey, but it

945
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: clearly was a component, and so let's spend some time

946
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: on it. We heard Zach Taylor an hour ago. Zach

947
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: Taylor was asked questions about Jamar Chase. I do not

948
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: expect an NFL head coach to divulge what is said

949
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: in a private meeting with one of his players. So

950
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: the fact that he was unwilling to tell us what

951
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: he told Jamar Chase does not bother me. I think

952
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 2: that is a scenario. And look, we love Jamar Chase

953
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: by every account, good guy, good dude, did an extraordinarily

954
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: regrettable thing yesterday, and whatever comes his way comes his way.

955
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: He lied about it yesterday, he denied it. I have

956
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: no other way to take that as being not forthcoming

957
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: with the truth, which is a lie. I don't know

958
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: that it is completely fair and to Zach Taylor to

959
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: put him up there and make him answer questions about

960
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: something that he's not that responsible for. So for me,

961
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: if i'm Jamar Chase, I go, look, Zach, you're talking

962
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: at three, you'll talk at three zero five. I'll come

963
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: out at three o'clock. Yeah, and I'll I'll talk about

964
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: what happened, and I'll acknowledge that it happened. I'll take responsibility.

965
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 2: If he wants to throw Jalen Ramsey under the bus,

966
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: he can do that, and he can answer questions about

967
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: the incident, what may lie ahead, what it says about him.

968
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: I would have I would have. I would have admired

969
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: that I would And he could have done that. He

970
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: could have said, look, coach, you're gonna get questions about

971
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: what I did. I'll answer them. They should be aimed

972
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: at me. Yeah, I'll take the heat, not you. This

973
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: isn't this isn't something that you should have to answer to.

974
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: And so all right, you know, Zach got the questions.

975
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 2: You may or may not have liked how he handled them.

976
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: My bigger issue with Zach Taylor's how he coached the

977
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: game yesterday. But Jamar Chase could have spoken today. But

978
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase could have said, look, you got questions about

979
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: what happened, ask him to me, not my head coach.

980
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 15: Yeah, and it's it's a lot of what we talked

981
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 15: about on the bye week. Zach Taylor was asked to

982
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 15: go up there and essentially speak on Duke Tobyin's failures.

983
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 15: Had to do that, and today he had to speak

984
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 15: on Jamar Chase's failure. Look, you you hit it earlier today.

985
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 15: If you if you're someone who has kids, there are

986
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Speaker 15: times you're mad, you're disappointed in your kids. Doesn't mean

987
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 15: you care about them less or love the money less, right,

988
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 15: And that's the same. Like, It's not like I'm like, oh,

989
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 15: I can never root for Jamar Chase again. I root

990
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 15: for him just as hard as I always have. But

991
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 15: the thing with this incident, that's a serious offense, no doubt,

992
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 15: spinning on someone dude in their face is serious, and

993
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 15: doing so and then blatantly lying about it after the

994
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 15: game makes it even worse. So today there was an opportunity,

995
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 15: whether it was at three o'clock in a podium or

996
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 15: whether it was in front of your locker with the

997
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 15: media of availability. Guys, I'm not gonna take questions, but

998
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 15: I just want to say I apologize for my actions.

999
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 15: I got caught up in the moment, right, that's not

1000
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 15: indicative of who I am. I let something else affect me.

1001
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 15: I'm not gonna make any other statements about it, but

1002
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 15: I just wanted to get it out there that I apologize.

1003
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 15: I shouldn't have lied about it, and it won't happen again.

1004
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 15: Then it's done. Then we don't talk about it anymore. Yeah, Now, well,

1005
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 15: when's Jamar talk Thursday. Oh, let's wait and see what

1006
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 15: he's says Thursday. Let's see what the NFL does. Let's

1007
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 15: see what Zach Castes. Now get up on the podium

1008
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 15: and be asked multiple times about Jamar Chase or as

1009
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 15: teammates or now Joe Flack are going to talk about him, right,

1010
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 15: other teammates going to talk about him? Like it's just

1011
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 15: this is hard enough, all right? This is unraveling quickly. Yes,

1012
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 15: we talked earlier. It feels like you're playing out the

1013
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 15: season with two games left and you're not. You've got

1014
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 15: to get ready for the hottest team in football and

1015
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 15: then you go Baltimore, Buffalo, Baltimore. The last thing you

1016
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 15: need to be doing is being hung up on this still.

1017
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 15: All it does is create more distraction. That's a distraction,

1018
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 15: Trey Hendrickson. Now is becoming a thing. You're gonna get

1019
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 15: more questions about Joe Burrow going forward, what's going on

1020
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 15: with Shamar Stewart?

1021
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 16: How did that?

1022
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 15: Like all it is, there's just questions upon questions upon questions,

1023
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 15: and at the root of it. We're really getting away

1024
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 15: from the main issue, and that's how the team's performing

1025
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 15: on the field. Yes, we're not addressing what went wrong yesterday.

1026
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 15: Zach today wasn't asked at all about the drive in

1027
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 15: which he burned two timeouts in the third courter in

1028
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 15: the fourth quarter.

1029
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: I got that at four and twenties. But hold on,

1030
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: but again, yes.

1031
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 15: But now we're not even getting to the meat of that.

1032
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 15: We're not even talking about the play. And you could

1033
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 15: we could highlight good things. We could talk about the

1034
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 15: old line that the Guards are playing better football, could

1035
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 15: talk about Miles Murphy I thought had his best game

1036
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 15: as a Bengal yesterday. We could talk about Chase Brown

1037
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 15: like there's not just bad. We could talk good as well.

1038
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 15: But instead, here's this dark cloud over an organization and

1039
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 15: a team now that feels like it is unraveling at

1040
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 15: an unbelievably fast clip. And to your point, was it

1041
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 15: like that yesterday? Third quarter? It was still in the

1042
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 15: in the grass. You're down by a point, Yeah, with

1043
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 15: Mason Rudolph at the helm, and you force a third

1044
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 15: and eleven, a third and seventeen, a third and eleven,

1045
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 15: and you don't get off the field that the root

1046
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 15: of that is in those problems. It's in personnel, it's

1047
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 15: in scheme, it's in how the team has been constructed.

1048
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 15: You're just now allowing this to add to the add

1049
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 15: fuel to the fire.

1050
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: Two more things on Jamar. Number one, everybody looks at

1051
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter the Eagles as the blueprint where spitting incident

1052
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: before the first play from the scrimmage. He was kicked

1053
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: out of the game, and the NFL basically ruled that's

1054
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 2: the one game suspension. Punishments are meant to be deterrence.

1055
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: It would be unsurprising to me if the league said, Okay,

1056
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: we suspended a guy for a game for spitting, and

1057
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: clearly we stalked at a spitting So guess what the

1058
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 2: punishment's now going to be multiple games?

1059
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 16: Well I could see that.

1060
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 15: I could see, well, the punishment didn't get through, So

1061
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 15: it's gonna be a game in a higher fine or

1062
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 15: it's a game and then it's also another game because

1063
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 15: you just blatantly lied about it.

1064
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 16: Right, Like again, it's twenty twenty five.

1065
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 15: You spit on someone on a football field, Yeah, there's

1066
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 15: gonna be an angle.

1067
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: There should be.

1068
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 15: And by the ways, to the people that are going

1069
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 15: at the gentleman from Fox nineteen.

1070
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: I was gonna go there next.

1071
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 15: For posting that video of doing his job. Get a life,

1072
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 15: Like get I'm reading some of these comments of people

1073
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 15: threatening this guy or calling this guy names for doing

1074
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 15: his job as a reporter and reporting on the news.

1075
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 15: Get a life. If after that incident, that's what you're

1076
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 15: focused on doing.

1077
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 2: I don't know the guy. His name is Austin Brisky.

1078
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: He works for Fox nineteen. I don't know Austin. Number one.

1079
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: I think there are people who in his shoes would

1080
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: have said, I'm not gonna do that because they would

1081
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 2: have been fearful of backlash, either from the team or

1082
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: from fans. Number two, You're exactly right. The job of

1083
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: a reporter is to observe and report. That's exactly what

1084
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 2: he did. One of the key moments in that game

1085
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: was when Pittsburgh's Jalen Ramsey got thrown out during the

1086
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: middle of what were a series of heated exchanges between

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Speaker 2: the two. As a reporter, if you have information that

1088
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 2: provides some context as to what was going on between

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00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: the two, I think you have an obligation to your

1090
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: audience to share it.

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00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 16: Yep.

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00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: I'm not a journalist. I don't know anything about journalism,

1093
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: quite frankly, but I know that as a reporter, if

1094
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: you could apply context to something that happened in the

1095
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: game that was significant, I think you have an obligation

1096
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: to share it. I would think less of him or

1097
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: anybody else who had that video and decided to sit

1098
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: on it. It was out, it was It wasn't in

1099
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: the locker room, wasn't behind the scenes. It was on

1100
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: the field during the game, and so I could not

1101
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: agree more. If your instant reaction is to come after

1102
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: the reporter who reported, you are a loser.

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00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 15: Correct, Like I said, oh my, that this would have

1104
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 15: never happened to this kid, not done that, Like that's

1105
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 15: the first thought.

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00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: It's a National Football League game, you.

1107
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 15: Know what this This guy's a turncoat. This guy's reporting

1108
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 15: for a local team and he's he's throwing Jamar Chase

1109
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 15: under the bus. That's not what it is.

1110
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: Jamar did something in view that this guy happened to

1111
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: have a camera pointed at and he shared the information

1112
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: that he has.

1113
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm just there are things that happen. Again, I

1114
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 15: would never I'd never condone spinning on someone I'm also

1115
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 15: not condoning someone to withhold from their job that they're

1116
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 15: trying to do this job and again to get that

1117
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 15: type of pushback from people locally as a bad look

1118
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 15: that that, I mean, that is a that in itself

1119
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 15: is a black cloud, that that you are so bent

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00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 15: out of shape that someone released a video of something

1121
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 15: that actually happened, not a doctored video, not a as

1122
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 15: you mentioned, not a video that you shot in the

1123
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 15: locker room on your cell phone that should have never

1124
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 15: made public. It's on a football field, it's in the

1125
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 15: middle of a National Football League game. And let's be honest,

1126
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 15: at some point there'll probably been another angle that came

1127
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 15: out anyway, sure, or I'm sure maybe the NFL is

1128
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 15: re viewing another angle that just hasn't been made public.

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00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 15: You know how many different angles there are that you remember,

1130
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 15: like the old NFL film stuff, and people might everywhere, Yes,

1131
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 15: it's going to come out.

1132
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: And by the way, like every NFL film's career or

1133
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: every NFL game is filmed and miked by NFL film.

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00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 15: Correct, they were zoomed in on that as well.

1135
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 2: As a non zero chance that what Jamar and Jalen

1136
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: Ramsey were saying to each other was recorded, correct. I

1137
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 2: don't know if any of that is going to see

1138
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: the light to day. That's controlled by NFL Films, which

1139
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: is an arm of the National Football League. But Austin

1140
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: Brisky did his job, yep. And if your reaction to

1141
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: this is to come at him, you need to take

1142
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 2: a look in the mirror.

1143
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 16: Yep.

1144
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: Reporter reported, he did his job. He's not the reason

1145
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 2: why we're here. Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey are why

1146
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: we're here. And again, Jamar did what he did. He

1147
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: gets whatever is coming his way, and there's gonna be

1148
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: a time and I don't know what it's gonna be

1149
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: where Jamar Chase is gonna have a microphone in front

1150
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: of his face and is gonna be asked about it.

1151
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: And I'm intrigued by what he has.

1152
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 15: And again, to your point, doesn't take away the greatness

1153
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 15: of Jamar Chase as a player. It doesn't take away

1154
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 15: that comes Sunday if he's on the field. Yes, I'm

1155
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 15: gonna be rooting like hell for Jamar Chase to have

1156
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 15: nineteen catches and one hundred and ninety two yards and

1157
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 15: two touchdowns.

1158
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 16: Because he's capable of that. Every week.

1159
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 15: But it also doesn't prohibit you from getting criticism when

1160
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 15: you do something you shouldn't be doing. Talking about role models,

1161
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 15: talking about wearing a sea on your chest, I mean

1162
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 15: kids are watching that, players are like, that's something that

1163
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 15: you have to hold yourself to a higher standard. As

1164
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 15: a captain and as a leader, and someone who was

1165
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 15: viewed as by many the top wide receiver in the

1166
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 15: National Football League.

1167
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: I think what made it so noteworthy was it is

1168
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: so out of character. Right, I've watched every snap that

1169
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase has played as a Bengal, I've watched him

1170
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: operate in the public realm. There has been nothing about

1171
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: him to this point that has made me think he's

1172
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: a bad guy. That has made me think he's a

1173
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: dude you don't want to root for. I'll root like

1174
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: help him. I say this all the time. I'm a

1175
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: body of work guy. Jamar Chase's body of work on

1176
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: and off the field is terrific. This was very unfortunate,

1177
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: very regrettable. He should be held accountable. He should and

1178
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: will face whatever punishment is thrown at him. He should

1179
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: publicly at least acknowledge it. But whether it's this Sunday

1180
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: or Thanksgiving night or sometime later in the season, Like,

1181
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: I have no problem rooting for that guy. Again, by

1182
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,959
Speaker 2: no stretch of the imagination would any reasonable human being

1183
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: condone what he did. Okay, that doesn't have to define him,

1184
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 2: and I don't think it does define it.

1185
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 15: And I'm also like, I could say I don't agree

1186
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 15: with it, but if you watch the outcut the whole game,

1187
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 15: the Jalen Ramsey hit on him in the back, Yes,

1188
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 15: I get, Yes, I can get why there's pent up frustration.

1189
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 15: I like, that's why after the game or even today

1190
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 15: to say I wasn't in my right mental space. I

1191
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 15: was frustrated things that happened throughout the game. I did

1192
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 15: something out of character. I apologize, I own up to it.

1193
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 15: I'm good with it. Like I'm not holding because there

1194
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 15: were things that happened during the game that I'm like,

1195
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 15: how's that? I mean Treg Green yesterday that that should

1196
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 15: be flagged, the hit that he took in the lower

1197
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 15: like that should be a penalty. So I get all

1198
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 15: that frustration that's built up from the same guy talking

1199
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 15: and hitting you all game long and your team's losing

1200
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 15: and you're going through this win and the season's not

1201
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 15: going how you want.

1202
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 16: I get it.

1203
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 15: Yeah, just down up to it, right, mistake out of character,

1204
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 15: not who I am, won't happen.

1205
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 2: By the way, there's room for multiple true I think

1206
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey is an ass clown. Correct. I also know

1207
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: that Jamar Chase spin at him and you don't do that.

1208
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 2: Like I think there's room for multiple truths. I also

1209
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: think you're an idiot if you punch at somebody in

1210
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: a face who's wearing a football face mask. Agreed, because

1211
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna get the worst of it. I give if

1212
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: I was wearing a football helmet and you decided to

1213
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: punch me in the face and you hit the face mask.

1214
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: Who do you think is gonna get the worst of it?

1215
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: You or me? Right right? And that's not just a

1216
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey thing. I've been watching football players punch each

1217
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 2: other in the face for decades and I never understand it. Yep,

1218
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: I think we successfully covered this topic.

1219
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 16: We're done with spitgate, I think, so, okay.

1220
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: Now we'll talk about fourth in inches, trying to draw

1221
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: the Steelers off sides, burning a time out, and whatever

1222
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor had going through his head during that sequence.

1223
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 2: When we come back on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati.

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Speaker 18: Just one accident to be aware of on I seventy

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Speaker 2: According to Aaron Shotts with FTN Fantasy, the Bengals deserve congratulations.

1241
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 2: They now have the worst defensive DVOA ever measured through

1242
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Speaker 2: ten games. So congratulations. I could read some of these

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Speaker 2: numbers to you, but legitimately, in this metric, the worst

1244
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: DVOA of all time. A defense was a problem yesterday.

1245
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor's coaching was a problem yesterday, and we'll talk

1246
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Speaker 18: Just one accident to look out for on I seventy

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Speaker 18: found some slow down on I seventy five northbound between

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Speaker 18: Mitchell Avenue and Paddock Road that's causing me eight ten

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Speaker 18: minute delay, as well as slow downs on I seventy

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Speaker 18: one northbound between Ridge Avenue and Ronald Reagan Cross County Highway.

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01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 18: That's causing a five minute delay. I've been Jeremy Bryant

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Speaker 17: This report is ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of

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Speaker 17: the Cincinnati Angles.

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Speaker 2: Not this week, he ain't. Ian Rapidford of NFL Media

1267
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: reports that Jamar Chase has been suspended one game by

1268
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: the NFL for yesterday's spitting into one game.

1269
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 16: Do you think he pushes back?

1270
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: Now? If I was him, I would just keep denying it.

1271
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: But me, look, we have all sorts of people in

1272
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: the real world who like deny things that obviously happened. Yeah, now,

1273
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: maybe Jamar should just be like, I don't know what

1274
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: you're talking about. Yeah, well you're suspended, don't deserve it.

1275
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 16: Just double down, double down on everything.

1276
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: Bengals and Patriots at the venue originally known as Paul

1277
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 2: Brown Stadium one o'clock Sunday Live on ESPN fifteen thirty. Unfortunately,

1278
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: Genostone hasn't been suspended.

1279
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 16: He's still with the team.

1280
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: He's still with the team. He didn't commit any rules violations.

1281
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 2: I just would like for them to suspend him so

1282
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: he doesn't have.

1283
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 15: Has he taken any more of a pay cut? Have

1284
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 15: they asked him to do that.

1285
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: Can you imagine how bad his tackling effort would be

1286
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: if he was making less? Oh gosh, Cam Taylor Brett.

1287
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 2: According to Zach, Taylor likely needs surgery for a Liz

1288
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: Frank injury, and Jamar no public comment on yesterday's incident.

1289
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: Monday Night Football tonight, Cowboys at Raiders on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1290
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 2: College football note, James Frank is going to be the

1291
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: new head coach at Virginia Tech.

1292
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 16: Wow. Wow.

1293
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: I wonder if when he loses games at Virginia Tech

1294
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 2: if the Internet will rejoice the same way it did

1295
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 2: every time.

1296
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 16: I won't state one of the weirdest things in sports.

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Speaker 2: The Marx Tubes Show is tonight at six on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, and the Richard Patino Radio Show is at

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Speaker 2: seven o'clock on fifty five KARC. Can we talk about

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Speaker 2: the sequence in which the Jamar Chase incident occurred? And

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Speaker 2: not so much you have to Jamar versus Jalen Ramsey,

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Speaker 2: but what was going on when the Bengals decided to

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Speaker 2: burn a time out on what was going to be

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Speaker 2: a fourth and one play, not snap the ball, try

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Speaker 2: to draw them off sides. Can you explain to me

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Speaker 2: what Zach Taylor was doing there early in the fourth quarter?

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Speaker 15: I'm other than like trying to play that like junior

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Speaker 15: high and literallygue coaches try.

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Speaker 16: I don't have an answer.

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Speaker 15: Like they lined up and I don't even think I

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Speaker 15: thought it was more like fourth and inches.

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Speaker 16: I mean it wasn't a full one correct, Yeah, So.

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Speaker 15: When they line up originally, I'm like, okay, you wanted

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Speaker 15: it early because there was so much time on the

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Speaker 15: play clock.

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Speaker 16: That's all I can't remember.

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Speaker 15: Thinking was like, Okay, now they're gonna shift and actually

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Speaker 15: run the play, which I'm good with. Try to get

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Speaker 15: the free five, yeah, and then run the play knowing

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Speaker 15: that you're already facing a deficit. You don't really have

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Speaker 15: the luxury to burn timeouts. So what I don't understand.

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Speaker 15: You don't have anything called except trying to get them

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Speaker 15: to jump off sides. If you're gonna punt, just take

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Speaker 15: the delay a game. Instead, you burn the time out

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Speaker 15: to do what? Talk over what it was. It's something

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Speaker 15: that everyone can see coming. Maybe you see two teams

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Speaker 15: jump on that per year in the NFL. Everyone knew

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Speaker 15: what was coming. And once they hold their ground, what

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Speaker 15: I thought they might do because they got to the

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Speaker 15: line so quick, is that they wanted to get Pittsburgh

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Speaker 15: to relax a little bit, try to get the hard count,

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Speaker 15: go into the motion. They don't jump, and now Pittsburgh knows, okay,

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Speaker 15: they're just trying to get us a jump and then

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Speaker 15: you snap the ball and you get the inch a

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Speaker 15: couple of inches you need. They took a time out.

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Speaker 15: I was shocked, like baffled what they're doing, and it

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Speaker 15: kind of got swept under the rug because of the

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Speaker 15: Jamar Chase incident. But I messaged with you right away,

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Speaker 15: like Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey just saved Zach Taylor

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Speaker 15: from having to deal with whatever the heck that just was,

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Speaker 15: which still wasn't the end of the drive, because they

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Speaker 15: burned another one.

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Speaker 2: Well, they burned another one one play later after a

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Speaker 2: five yard had pass. Then later in the drive which

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Speaker 2: did end with the field goal. Later in the drive,

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Speaker 2: they had a delay of game. Like if if you

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Speaker 2: were showing that sequence starting with the starting with the

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Speaker 2: third and one, if you were showing someone that's the

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Speaker 2: Quins who knew nothing about Zach Taylor and ask them

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Speaker 2: to conclude whether or not the Bengals are a well

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Speaker 2: coached team. What do you think they would have said?

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Speaker 16: No, they're not.

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Speaker 15: Like and again, in the grand scheme of this, they

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Speaker 15: got the ball back with the third quarter ending down

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Speaker 15: at that point, what were they down eleven eleven? And

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Speaker 15: they had proceeded to take almost six minutes off the

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Speaker 15: clock and ran twelve plays.

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Speaker 2: Taking their sweet time between plays. You would have run

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Speaker 2: the ball fine, any urgency, little tempo. Yeah, get back

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Speaker 2: to the line.

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Speaker 12: Like.

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Speaker 15: There's plenty of teams in college and NFL they called

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Speaker 15: two plays in the huddle like second Short. I guarantee

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Speaker 15: you over half the league mo on second Short is

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Speaker 15: calling two plays. Hey, we're gonna run this. If we

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Speaker 15: get the first down, we'll huddle. If not, let's get

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Speaker 15: back to the line and let's run this quick. Instead,

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Speaker 15: we're talking about a team again operating with zero sense

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Speaker 15: of urgency. And again, if it was one time two okay, weird, right,

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Speaker 15: it happens. This has been all year. Game one, Joe

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Speaker 15: Burrow is yelling at the sideline to get the play

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Speaker 15: in quicker, let's go instill down eleven plenty of times

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Speaker 15: still on the clock because in the back of your

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Speaker 15: mind you're still facing Mason Rudolph on the other side.

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Speaker 15: If we go get points, we'll right back in this.

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Speaker 15: You just dink and dunk and take your sweet time

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Speaker 15: all the way to the point.

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Speaker 16: Again.

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Speaker 15: You use two timeouts and what a two play one

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Speaker 15: place fan, and then a couple of plays later you

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Speaker 15: get a delay a game, so timeout play. Then you

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Speaker 15: got to burn another timeout for whatever reason, and then

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Speaker 15: you're still struggling a couple plays later. You take a

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Speaker 15: delay a game. Make it make sense.

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Speaker 2: So at phase value, what you said about the approach

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Speaker 2: on fourth and inches, I don't disagree with, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: let's see if they do jump and if they don't

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Speaker 2: snap the ball, sneak it, hand it off, whatever, get

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Speaker 2: what we need to move the chains. At the same time,

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Speaker 2: we talked in the first hour about how soft they

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Speaker 2: are to me, the team that isn't soft says, screw it.

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Speaker 2: Let's line up, We'll get the yard. Yes, line let's

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Speaker 2: line up and go like, we don't all.

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Speaker 16: The way they ran the ball for almost five yards

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Speaker 16: of carrying.

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Speaker 2: Right, we don't need all the the whiz bang of

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Speaker 2: you know, hard count and try. You know, lineup, We're

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Speaker 2: gonna get the inches, and if we can't, we can't.

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Speaker 2: Like to me, I understand in real time, I'm going okay,

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Speaker 2: they'll try to draw them off play, clock will get

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Speaker 2: under five, they'll snap it. But there's also a part

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Speaker 2: of me that's like, you know what, screw it, man,

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Speaker 2: we are tired of being bullied by the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: We beat you the last game, we beat you the

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Speaker 2: last time we played last year. We're not gonna be

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Speaker 2: bullied by you. We're gonna line up, get the inches

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Speaker 2: and keep going. To me. The team that's not soft

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Speaker 2: doesn't even try the the Shenanigans of try to draw

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Speaker 2: them off side. We'll line up, our guys can knock

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Speaker 2: your guys backward, and we can get not eight yards,

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Speaker 2: eight inches.

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Speaker 15: It's it's a mindset, and it's a way in which

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Speaker 15: this team does not carry themselves, and that starts with

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Speaker 15: the coach. Regardless of what you think of Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 15: I also thought mo that was indicative. On the first

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Speaker 15: offensive drive of the game, you score a touchdown, Pittsburgh

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Speaker 15: roughs the snapper and I don't mind going for it.

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Speaker 15: What did they do? They motioned Joe Flacco out of

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Speaker 15: the backfield, direct snap it, and run right.

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Speaker 2: At Cam Hayward.

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Speaker 15: You just ran the ball successfully the whole time, and

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Speaker 15: you still got Jamar Chason T. Higgins and your full

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Speaker 15: complimental weapons and your choice. I don't mind going for two.

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Speaker 15: Your choice is to motion Joe Flacco out and direct

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Speaker 15: snap at the Chase Brown and run right at the middle. Like,

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Speaker 15: those are mindsets, that's something that's set in place in

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Speaker 15: the game to say, if we get in short yarded situations,

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Speaker 15: buckle your chin straps, we're gonna turn around and run

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Speaker 15: power right up the middle or right at this guy,

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Speaker 15: and we're gonna run behind you guys and go get

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Speaker 15: a first down.

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Speaker 2: It ended up not mattering to me. I just thought

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Speaker 2: it was unnecessary. Yeah, it's seven to seven, eight points

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Speaker 2: is like, and I get it. We're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: score a lot of points to win today. I do

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Speaker 2: understand that mentality. You're gaining a yard. If you're gonna

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Speaker 2: do that, just go forward for the two.

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Speaker 16: Yeah. I hate the play call.

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Speaker 2: I mean I hated the play call. You're right about that.

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Speaker 2: Why take the point off the board. It's seven to seven,

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Speaker 2: That to me is and I love aggressive play. Aggressive

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Speaker 2: play calling would have been you don't even try the

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Speaker 2: pat you just line up and go for two.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: At that point, I'm not taking the point off. It

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Speaker 2: ended up not being that big of a deal. That

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Speaker 2: to me was a little unnecessary. But the play call itself,

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Speaker 2: I could not agree more brutal. And I just would

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Speaker 2: that have been their two point try had it actually

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Speaker 2: mattered later in the game, right? Would that have been

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Speaker 2: what they did?

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Speaker 15: But again, to go back to the drive in question,

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Speaker 15: what are we talking about today? If the Jamar Chase

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Speaker 15: thing doesn't happen, how do you burn those timeouts down eleven?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? To me, that's the bigger issue like that, Let's

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Speaker 2: face it, the rest of the season is gonna be

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Speaker 2: spent talking about what changes are made. Okay, Jamar Chase

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Speaker 2: is gonna be here next year. I'm gonna guess he

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Speaker 2: never spits at someone again. He did it. He's gonna

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Speaker 2: get punished. Say what you want about Jamar. Steelers fans

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Speaker 2: are gonna hate him, Bengals fans are gonna love him.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Bengals fan. I love Jamar Chase. I don't

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Speaker 2: condone what he did. The bigger issue is are you

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Speaker 2: moving forward with this head coach? Well, right there, yesterday. Again,

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Speaker 2: this isn't August, it's not even game number two. This

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Speaker 2: is coming out of a bye against the team you

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Speaker 2: play twice a year every year, your season hanging in

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Speaker 2: the balance. You're down two scores, and early in the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter, you could not have looked less well put together.

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Speaker 2: You're unnecessarily burning timeouts. It looked like as poorly coached

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Speaker 2: a sequence as we have seen. Look at that. That's

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Speaker 2: a snapshot right there. You want to move forward with

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Speaker 2: this guy. Then you look at the roster, look at

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Speaker 2: the defense. You want to move forward with the guy

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Speaker 2: who put it together. You want to move forward with

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Speaker 2: the guy who's coordinating it. You want to move forward

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Speaker 2: with some of these players who can't tackle. The Jamar

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Speaker 2: Chase thing is an outlier. It's interesting. I get it.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna divide people. People are getting pissed at the

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Speaker 2: reporter who tweeted the video. Whatever. When you're done being

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01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 2: mad at that, when we're done just yelling at each

1483
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 2: other over that, let's talk about the thing that matters,

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Speaker 2: and the things that matters are sequences like that. In

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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter yesterday, sequences like the end of the

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Speaker 2: game with Al Golden's defense on the field, or the

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Speaker 2: overall roster construction which continues to prove to be bad. Ye,

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Speaker 2: just downright bad.

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Speaker 15: That's why we go back to this thing we talked

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Speaker 15: about earlier. The Jamar Chase thing is not the main

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Speaker 15: storyline from the game yesterday, not even close. Nationally it

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Speaker 15: will be. But if you watch that game, and you've

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Speaker 15: watched this team all year, you down eleven in the

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Speaker 15: fourth quarter of an NFL game with a backup quarterback

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Speaker 15: playing against you, you burn two timeouts over a one

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01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 15: place man, and then you took a delay a game

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Speaker 15: a few plays later. You at no point acted with

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Speaker 15: urgency and at no point acted with an aggression to say,

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Speaker 15: screw it, I'm not leaving this up to a field goal.

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Speaker 15: We're gonna be aggressive and go try to win a

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Speaker 15: football game. That that type of mentality, I don't care

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Speaker 15: what he sits on the podium and says, locker rooms

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01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 15: can see through that, players on the sideline can see

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01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 15: through that matter. Coach speak all you want. I've been

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Speaker 15: in the locker room before, you could see through that stuff.

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Speaker 15: And that the way that game was yesterday is more

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Speaker 15: of an indictment on what Zach Taylor is right now

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Speaker 15: as the coach as anything fair or not. You want

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Speaker 15: to talk about, oh, they scored this, and whether they scored.

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01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,839
Speaker 15: They shouldn't have lost to the Jets, and they shouldn't

1511
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 15: have lost to the Bears. Okay, but they did, but

1512
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 15: they did, and yesterday they shouldn't lost out football game.

1513
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: But see, like you could talk about, well, the Jets game,

1514
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 2: they shouldn't have lost and it was an outlier, No,

1515
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't. Defense couldn't get a stop. Well, yeah, but

1516
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 2: the Bears game, boy, crazy stuff happened. Wasn't an outlier.

1517
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 2: Defense couldn't get a stop. And then again like they

1518
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 2: probably still would have lost. Joe Flacco was not great yesterday,

1519
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 2: but it was out of a buy you and I

1520
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 2: think you know he's physically compromised. I think there's a

1521
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 2: lot of evidence to support that.

1522
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 16: All right, shouldn't it be more buttoned up out of

1523
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 16: a bye?

1524
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 2: Right? More buttoned up? And then again al Golden's defense

1525
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 2: again here it is fourth quarter, so many games this year,

1526
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: fourth quarter defense has a chance to make the difference,

1527
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 2: can't get it done. So miss me with that. Well,

1528
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 2: the Jets game they shouldn't have lost, correct because they

1529
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 2: shouldn't have this bad of a defense. Or the Bears

1530
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: game they shouldn't have lost, correct because they shouldn't have

1531
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 2: this bad of a defense. Or the Steelers game yesterday,

1532
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,879
Speaker 2: shouldn't have lost it by the margin they did, correct

1533
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 2: because the offense should be better coached, and because the

1534
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 2: defense shouldn't be this bad. This is who they are.

1535
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 2: None of these losses are outliers.

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01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 15: I'm glad that over the bye week the young guys

1537
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 15: got to do some practice and the veterans got some

1538
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 15: time off. Maybe during some of that time, though, you

1539
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 15: could just have a meeting and say, hey, guys, there

1540
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 15: is a possibility that Pittsburgh changes things up from the

1541
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 15: first time we played him, just so we're aware, and

1542
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 15: let's spend a little time meeting this week. Don't have

1543
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 15: to be on the field, just more mental stuff. What

1544
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 15: if they do play some zone coverage against us? The

1545
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 15: team I watched yesterday looked ill prepared coming out of

1546
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,560
Speaker 15: a bye week against the team who no showed on

1547
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 15: Sunday Night football. The Steelers no showed on Sunday Night football.

1548
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 15: They didn't play well yesterday, and you let him off

1549
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 15: the hook, and you did so by acting.

1550
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 16: In which you didn't.

1551
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 15: You didn't show in your preparation that you thought they

1552
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 15: were gonna run on his own, and it didn't look

1553
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 15: like he had an answer for it. For the half,

1554
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 15: no one was getting open. Charlie Goldsmith did a great

1555
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 15: job today on his social media breaking down all the

1556
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 15: different times that Jamar Chase was doubled and bracketed and

1557
01:14:58,760 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 15: all this stuff.

1558
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 16: That's the case.

1559
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 15: One find other ways to get Jamar Chase the ball,

1560
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 15: find other ways in your formation, which we've discussed time

1561
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 15: and again on this show or two. If they're going

1562
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 15: to use two guys every time on Jamar Chase, then

1563
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 15: we're gonna let other guys feast. Did we see any

1564
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 15: of that yesterday?

1565
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 2: No?

1566
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 15: No, they looked ill prepared coming out of a bye

1567
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 15: week on what many considered to be yesterday a must

1568
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 15: win game for their season.

1569
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 2: Right So, there, for me is the question when it

1570
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 2: comes to Zach Taylor, not what did you do four

1571
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 2: years ago? Do the Bengals right now look well coached?

1572
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 2: If the answer is no, how do you not wonder

1573
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Speaker 1: School is in session when the Bengals look to take

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Speaker 1: New England to task. Who new history class could get

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Speaker 1: this violent? Speaking of the Patriots, I wonder how I

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Speaker 2: We are broadcasting today from Twin Peaks in Florence. We

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Speaker 2: are right back here a week from today, the day

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Speaker 2: after the Bengals take on the New England Patriots. Ain't

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Speaker 2: no better place to post up after work than Twin Peaks,

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Speaker 2: whether it's Westchester or Florence. The food is great, the

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Speaker 2: staff is awesome, beer selection is to horrific. We love

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Speaker 2: Twin Peaks. We love being here. If you're in north

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Speaker 2: of Kentucky, maybe just getting off for work, stop buy

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Speaker 2: and have a cold one. Stick around and watch the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys and Raiders play tonight on Monday Night Football, and

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01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 2: make your plans for this weekend to watch college and

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Speaker 2: pro football and college hoops and major league soccer here

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01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 2: at Twin Peaks. You just heard it there in the

1622
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: top of the hour if you didn't know, Jamar Chase

1623
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 2: has been given a one game suspension by the NFL.

1624
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 2: This originally reported by Ian Rappaport. So no, Jamar, but

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01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: you said to me during the break something that I

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01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 2: think is worth keeping in mind. The Bengals have in

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01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 2: their back pocket for the game against the Patriots Jermaine Burton.

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01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 15: Oh so remember him? No Jermaine Burton game? Not really,

1629
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 15: will Jermaine Burton be active?

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01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 16: No, that's insane. I mean, that would be insane.

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01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 2: Why would I expect them to be right just because

1632
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 2: they're down a guy?

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01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 15: I mean, I think that's that's the understand expectation.

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01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 16: I'm just.

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01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 15: Thinking of the logistics. You took him in the third

1636
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 15: round last year. You and I thought during training camp

1637
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 15: he looked good. He's now been non existent. He's missed

1638
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 15: some time due to illness and some other different things.

1639
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 15: And now Jamar Chase, at least now he is. He

1640
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 15: is appealing the one game suspension, but as of now,

1641
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 15: Jamar Chase is not playing on Sunday. If not, now

1642
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 15: why are you holding on to him on the roster?

1643
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 15: Why is he occupying a roster spot. By the way,

1644
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 15: the one game suspension, the line has gone from seven

1645
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 15: to nine and a half. I don't think so. To me,

1646
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:46,560
Speaker 15: the video evidence is pretty clear. If you are suspending

1647
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 15: him because he's spit on Jalen Ramsey, I don't know

1648
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 15: what that video would tell you or appeal would tell

1649
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 15: you about what would make that okay or how you

1650
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 15: would win the appeal.

1651
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 16: So now I don't think he would win it.

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01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 2: Well, good luck to him. I don't think he will.

1653
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 2: But if he does miss the game, you could always

1654
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 2: rely on is it eighty one? Brady one? Is Jon?

1655
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 16: This is his week?

1656
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 2: This is it, this is the one, this is the

1657
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 2: week where he's like you know what's the reason why

1658
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: you guys drafted me. I'm sure by then he'll be

1659
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 2: over the flu or the cold, or you know, whatever

1660
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 2: he's dealing with.

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Speaker 15: They are desperately missing that position though, no doubt, like

1662
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 15: the answer that we've seen in previous weeks, bracketing Jamar

1663
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 15: bracketing team. Like Joe Flacco has even said before, like

1664
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 15: I've never been around anywhere where both I have two

1665
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 15: receivers getting doubled. Well, that just screams out something to me.

1666
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 15: Of the number three needs to be more productive Like

1667
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 15: Tyler Boyd in his prime, productive would have been perfect.

1668
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 15: And that's what Jermaine Burton had the chance to be.

1669
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 15: Yoshi's good, but he he's not. There's limitations, you know

1670
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 15: what he is. He's not going to stretch the field.

1671
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 15: He's not going to provide that for you. What a

1672
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 15: gold opportunity when you have two guys that get double

1673
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 15: teams to just win one on one battles against bad

1674
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 15: cover guys and put up insane numbers.

1675
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Speaker 2: So the first thing that has to happen is you

1676
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 2: have to dress for the game.

1677
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 15: Well before that, you have to be at the facility

1678
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 15: on time. Okay, you gotta do that, can't miss meetings,

1679
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 15: Gotta do that, got to practice, gotta do that, get healthy,

1680
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 15: gotta do that. And then based on your body of

1681
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 15: work during the week, it would be determined if you'll

1682
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 15: dress in the game.

1683
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 2: Okay, then you do that, and then you successfully dress

1684
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 2: and get to the sideline by one o'clock on Sunday.

1685
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 15: What would the other option be, Charlie Jones gets more

1686
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 15: reps of receiving US.

1687
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Speaker 2: I mean, I would consider the possibility of them grabbing

1688
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,799
Speaker 2: a street free agent right now before I would Jermain Burton.

1689
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 2: That is an exaggeration, but I think it's meant to

1690
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 2: illustrate how insanely out of favor he has fallen and

1691
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 2: how bad of a pick he has turned out to be,

1692
01:21:58,520 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 2: at least to this point.

1693
01:21:59,560 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 16: Yep.

1694
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 15: And that's again an indictment that comes back on I

1695
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 15: would imagine Duke Tobin.

1696
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: Last week, the story was of Joe Burrow coming back

1697
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 2: to practice, and you know it elicited his shoulder shrug

1698
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 2: for two reasons. One, hey, the team's not very good.

1699
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 2: He doesn't play defense. Number two, the offense is fine.

1700
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 2: Did yesterday prove to you that Joe Burrow is better

1701
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 2: than Joe Flacco.

1702
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 16: Yes, yes, I think we could put that to bed.

1703
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 16: I am.

1704
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 15: I am today in full confidence going out on a limb. Yeah,

1705
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,759
Speaker 15: and I'll say that Joe Burrow is a better quarterback

1706
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 15: than Joe Flackell. And you could quote that. Okay, clip it,

1707
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 15: quote it, do whatever you want with it. Sure, but

1708
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 15: I'll put that out there. So I'm gonna get crushed

1709
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 15: for that.

1710
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 2: He I know it's a hot take. They come, he

1711
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 2: comes back to practice and you know we're all doing

1712
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 2: the well, you know, you know, get this one against Pittsburgh,

1713
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 2: you've beaten them already, and then you know the Patriots game.

1714
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 2: Tough putt, but but it is going to be here.

1715
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 2: You know, get to Thanksgiving at five and six, game

1716
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 2: on divisions winnable. Yeah, you'll have Burrow back. Does losing

1717
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 2: yesterday affect at all what you would do with Joe Burrow?

1718
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 2: Joe is gonna wanna play, Yeah, and he's gonna want

1719
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 2: to play. He's gonna want to play as soon as

1720
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 2: next Thursday. And I just asked you this off air.

1721
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 2: If we find out something's up with Joe Flacco, who

1722
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 2: has been on the injury report the last couple of

1723
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: weeks he's gonna be on it this week he was

1724
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 2: clearly I think, uh favoring you know, the shoulder yesterday.

1725
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 2: Do you accelerate that timeline or does losing the game

1726
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 2: make you go, you know what, we're just gonna put

1727
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 2: him on ice.

1728
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 15: I would put him on ice, I know. And I've

1729
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 15: listened to arguments on why you do play him, and

1730
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 15: Charlie Goldsmith brought up a good one last Friday of

1731
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 15: if you don't play him this year and you go

1732
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 15: back to him kind of last year touch down the stretch.

1733
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 15: I mean you're missing a lot of time mm hm

1734
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 15: based on when he's been available versus not available. But

1735
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 15: I contend with his left toe injury that doing anything

1736
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 15: under center would be extremely difficult to pivot and push

1737
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 15: in the extent that you have to push off away

1738
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 15: from center, which means I would assume more shotgun, and

1739
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,919
Speaker 15: we have not seen the same ability from the offensive

1740
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 15: line or the run game to be successful out of

1741
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 15: strictly shotgun. If he's going to play, to me, it

1742
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 15: would be no limitations being free to go under center.

1743
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 15: As much as Joe Flacco one can his toe do

1744
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 15: that too? Does he even want to do that, And

1745
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 15: if the question to either one of those is know,

1746
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 15: then you can't put him out there, regardless of how

1747
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 15: much he wants to play. And I get it, he's

1748
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 15: the quarterback. He's paid a lot of money. Sure, is

1749
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 15: this team going anywhere this year?

1750
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1751
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 16: Does he have an injury history?

1752
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm not going to risk it healthy.

1753
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 16: We'll see in twenty twenty six.

1754
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 2: I expect him to play in any game where the

1755
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 2: Bengals are playing with a mathematical chance of making the postseason.

1756
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 2: I expect that, and I understand it, and that doesn't

1757
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 2: bother me.

1758
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 16: What about the look of it?

1759
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 15: What if they lose by twenty one on Sunday and

1760
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 15: they're now three and eight, and here you go, you

1761
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 15: get the Baltimore Ravens.

1762
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 2: Realistically, for me, I'd put him on ice right now.

1763
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 2: I will at least accept. Look, as long as there's

1764
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 2: not an X next to our name in the standings,

1765
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 2: we have a shot. Even if it's an extraordinary attempt

1766
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,759
Speaker 2: at defind the odds, We're gonna play him. Okay, Fine,

1767
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 2: if you are playing games against the Miami Dolphins and

1768
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals and Cleveland Browns and you mathematically have no

1769
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 2: chance it. It makes no sense at all to have

1770
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow.

1771
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 15: Playing against Cleveland with Miles Garrett going for thirty.

1772
01:25:59,400 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1773
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 16: No, Miles Garrett had four on Lamar yesterday.

1774
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 2: I respect the hell out of Joe Burrow wanting to play.

1775
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 16: Sure.

1776
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 2: I respect the hell out of the Bengals going. You

1777
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 2: know what, we want the example set by guys who

1778
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 2: go screw it. I'm fighting, I'm playing. I get that

1779
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 2: raw ross stuff, I really do. I respect the hell

1780
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 2: out of a guy making fifty million dollars a year

1781
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 2: going screw it. I want to play no matter what.

1782
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 2: He is the most important investment in the history of

1783
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 2: Cincinnati sports, as we have seen the last couple of years.

1784
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 2: If Joe Burrow goes away, this all falls apart. It

1785
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 2: is a house of cards. Why would I do anything

1786
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 2: that at all jeopardizes the meal ticket, the investment playing

1787
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 2: him in games that matter that don't matter, not only

1788
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 2: to the Bengals, but don't don't matter to anybody else.

1789
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:51,560
Speaker 2: The Miamy Dolphins are not going to be in the

1790
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 2: playoff hunt. They played better.

1791
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 15: Here's a Cardinals are going to be in the playoff hunt.

1792
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 2: He did and they lost. The Brent like you even

1793
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 2: sell me on it. Hey, look, they're playing a game

1794
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,560
Speaker 2: against the team that's in the hunt and the integrity

1795
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 2: of the league. I don't love that. But okay, if

1796
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 2: you're playing in games that don't matter at all and

1797
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is taking snaps, that is just irresponsible. It's careless.

1798
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 2: Just I get the raw rass stuff. I get the

1799
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 2: well players play. They want to play, They want to

1800
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,680
Speaker 2: be out there. If I say that to you as

1801
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 2: he is being carted off, are you gonna go here? No?

1802
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 15: You think him being out there, You think the guys

1803
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 15: on the defense will be like, man, he's tough and through,

1804
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 15: we're gonna take it easy. No, they want to hit

1805
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 15: him a hundred times.

1806
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

1807
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 16: They want to they want to to pound him into

1808
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 16: the ground. Mm hmm.

1809
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 15: So again, I appreciate it, Like I know, I know

1810
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 15: the physical and mental toll of the work it takes

1811
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 15: to get back after an injury, and for him, with

1812
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 15: how many times he's done it, I can't imagine mentally

1813
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 15: what it is. Right, But you still have to act

1814
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 15: in his best interest. Someone has to acting his best

1815
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 15: interest because as a competitor, he's always gonna want to play. Yeah,

1816
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 15: someone has to have his back and say I get it,

1817
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 15: but you're not doing it this year.

1818
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 16: Can hate us for it. You're our ticket.

1819
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 15: The only way we're going to be back in this

1820
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 15: super Bowl window is if you're the guy. Not you

1821
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:25,560
Speaker 15: sidelined at times throughout the year. You playing in seventeen

1822
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 15: games is the only way we get back there. That's

1823
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 15: a hard conversation to have with a guy who wants

1824
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 15: to get out there. I get it, but that's part

1825
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 15: about being a professional organization as well. Yeah, and running

1826
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 15: a business. That's your business, that's your ticket. He doesn't

1827
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 15: help you when he's on the sideline.

1828
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 2: And I believe Joe Burrow, if he might not like it,

1829
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 2: would at least understand it. You can understand something and

1830
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 2: not like it, And I would be willing to bet

1831
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow would go I wish I was out there.

1832
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 2: If we're up to me, I'd be out there. I

1833
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 2: don't like your decision, but I respect it. At the

1834
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 2: end of the day, you're acting within the organizations and

1835
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 2: my best interest.

1836
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 15: You imagine how you're cringing every time he would get hit.

1837
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 15: I know what we did that all last year, the

1838
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:14,759
Speaker 15: preseason correct. I watched Shamar Stewart actually hit a quarterback

1839
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 15: in the preseason. Jamar Stewart, remember when he hit Joe

1840
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,440
Speaker 15: Burrow of practice. We all got worried for a second.

1841
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 16: That guy. It's just I again.

1842
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 15: I respect the heck out of Joe Burrow for trying

1843
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 15: to get back, yes, and for making it a point.

1844
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:31,799
Speaker 15: And if this team had taken care of business against

1845
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 15: the Jets and the Bears, then we're like, let's go

1846
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 15: get him back now. Because you're playing for something, You're

1847
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 15: not playing for anything anymore. Let's talk about these Is

1848
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 15: Trey Hendrickson gonna play again this year? Who do you

1849
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 15: think he plays another snap? That that week to week

1850
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 15: injury man anytime, anytime. The coach who's very close to

1851
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 15: the vest as Zach Taylor Monday the last couple weeks, doubtful, doubtful, well,

1852
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 15: just very very cut and dry.

1853
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 2: It doubtful week, but now it's being reported it was

1854
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 2: a back. Now it's a hip, but now it's a

1855
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 2: sports hernia. He's weak to week, but he's gonna need surgery.

1856
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 15: Does week to week allow him? Does the injury allow him?

1857
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 15: On an airplane?

1858
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 2: I think you're allowed to fly Okay, I've never had

1859
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,560
Speaker 2: a back injury, hip injury, or sports sports hernia. I

1860
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 2: can't even say it, but I think I would be

1861
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 2: allowed on an.

1862
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 15: Airplane, especially a more comfortable one traveling in He's the captain.

1863
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 15: We got one captain that spitting on folks, and we

1864
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:34,600
Speaker 15: got another captain who just don't want to be on

1865
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 15: the field, and another one finding like hell to get

1866
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 15: back on the field and play for nothing.

1867
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 2: Got Jamaine Burton, McKinley Jackson.

1868
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 16: We got some third rounders.

1869
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 2: This is an absolutely, this is worse than the nineties,

1870
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 2: by the way, just fine. I've heard a lot of well,

1871
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 2: this is the nineties, you didn't have a quarterback, so,

1872
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 2: like you know, for they have the most important position solved.

1873
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 2: I mean, at least they have a good player at

1874
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 2: that position. Can never keep him healthy. That's what makes

1875
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 2: this worse. Like when when you're bad and David Klingler's

1876
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 2: playing quarterback for you, or he's my second all time

1877
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 2: favorite Bengal, but Jeff Blake is playing quarterback for you,

1878
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 2: or you're trying to talk yourself into Neil O'Donnell, like

1879
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,719
Speaker 2: that's one thing. You have Joe Burrow and you're still

1880
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 2: gonna miss the postseason for a third consecutive year. This

1881
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 2: is worse than the nineties.

1882
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 16: Yeah, this is worse Super Bowl.

1883
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 2: Yes, And when they didn't win the game, we all said,

1884
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 2: you know what, the good times are just getting started.

1885
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 2: When are the good times coming back? Because this is

1886
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 2: not a good time.

1887
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 16: Isn't fun, It's not fun.

1888
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 2: It is eighteen minutes after five o'clock. We have to

1889
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 2: talk about the other AFC North teams, and then and

1890
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 2: then what happened on Saturday Stadium to leave a little

1891
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,919
Speaker 2: bit early. Yeah, well we could record and run it

1892
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 2: as we're talking about the bear Cats and what happened

1893
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 2: against Arizona. Coming up, it's the Toni and Mo Football

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01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:07,320
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Speaker 17: point thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Set you. I had no idea you have a show

1913
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 2: later today, Tony.

1914
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Speaker 16: It's the twelve am thing. Now midnight. It's unbelievable.

1915
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 2: It's Tony and Mo Football Show. We're at Twin Peaks

1916
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 2: in Florence here till six o'clock. We're back in Florence

1917
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 2: next Monday. We returned to Westchester on Monday, December. The first,

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Speaker 2: you know, one of the stories of yesterday's game that

1919
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 2: we haven't touched him because we don't live in Pittsburgh

1920
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:34,799
Speaker 2: is Aaron Rodgers.

1921
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Speaker 16: Yeah.

1922
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 2: Apparently as a small fraction in his left wrist. He

1923
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 2: still wants to play because I'm not sure he can

1924
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:45,639
Speaker 2: go a Sunday without giving the snake eye. You're looking

1925
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 2: exasperated at the guys he's throwing bad passes to.

1926
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's always someone else's fault. Never Aaron Rodgers fault correct,

1927
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 15: which is insane to watch. Some would say the offense

1928
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 15: operated a little better.

1929
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 16: With Mason Rudolph at quarterback.

1930
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Speaker 2: Oh like it did.

1931
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 15: Got me wondered if maybe Mike Rabel's thinking of sitting

1932
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 15: Drake May down for a bye week this week and saying,

1933
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 15: Josh Dobbs, Tommy DeVito, come on down, you get to

1934
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 15: play against the Bengals this week.

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Speaker 2: If I was either one of those guys, I would

1936
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 2: say to Mike Vrabel, I will give you my game check.

1937
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 2: If I could play this.

1938
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 16: Week, let me play one.

1939
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 2: Just give me, give me a quarter. Let's make it

1940
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 2: like a preseason game. Yeah, give me three off.

1941
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 16: I want to throw Drake May in there right now,

1942
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 16: you know, and risk and.

1943
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 2: Injury the Pittsburgh Steelers. According to the Athletics Playoffs simulator,

1944
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh leads the division, yet right now they believe the

1945
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 2: Steelers only have a twenty eight percent chance of making

1946
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 2: the playoffs. I don't think they're good.

1947
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 15: I don't either. I I just don't see it. Outside

1948
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 15: of DK Metcalf, I don't think there's many weapons that.

1949
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 2: Worry or Washington.

1950
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 15: I mean, unless that's gonna become a thing again. Tight

1951
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,600
Speaker 15: ends against the Bengals right make careers. So no, I

1952
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 15: don't think Pittsburgh's good. It is interesting when you talk

1953
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 15: about team's position to make the playoffs.

1954
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 16: As we sit here.

1955
01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 15: Right now, the Lions are out of the playoffs and

1956
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,719
Speaker 15: the Chiefs are out of the playoffs, and the Ravens

1957
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 15: are out of the playoffs.

1958
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 12: Ye.

1959
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 16: Interesting.

1960
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:10,440
Speaker 2: So Baltimore wasn't great yesterday. Shadora Sanders was worse. Ravens survived.

1961
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 2: They've won four straight games, odds on favorite to win

1962
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 2: the division. They're giving up a lot of sacks. That

1963
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 2: won't be a huge issue against the Bengals because they

1964
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 2: barely ever get after the quarterback of though Miles Murphy

1965
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 2: played an okay game yesterday. I feel like with the Chiefs,

1966
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 2: nobody wants to admit with their eyes see, they're not

1967
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 2: a very good football team.

1968
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 16: They're just not. They have flaws, right, They're not good.

1969
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 15: They don't like the thing with the Chiefs in years past,

1970
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 15: like they struck fear in you.

1971
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 16: Yes, you don't really fear that team anymore.

1972
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 2: And I would have said that about last year's team,

1973
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 2: which won a bunch of games close and again like

1974
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 2: trust your eyes, like watch the games. There's the brand

1975
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 2: and the reputation, and then there's what they're putting on

1976
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,640
Speaker 2: the field. Now, what they're putting on the field is

1977
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 2: good enough to maybe be a playoff team if they

1978
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 2: can leave frog a few squads. It does not feel

1979
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 2: like they're capable of winning a championship.

1980
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 15: No, that's not a title team this year, which is

1981
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 15: crazy because last week they still had the highest odds

1982
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 15: to win the title.

1983
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,440
Speaker 2: There's still I think fourth right, which is insane.

1984
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 15: Yeah, going back to just last week. One other thing

1985
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 15: you mentioned the Ravens Miles Garrett four more sacks yesterday. Yeah,

1986
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 15: he's gonna have like twenty five sacks this year. He's unbelievable.

1987
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 15: And if Shador Sanders doesn't play again, his career stat

1988
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 15: line will be lower than my career stat line. So

1989
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 15: you're rooting for him to never never see the field

1990
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 15: again again. Less yards turnover margin is worse. Chador didn't

1991
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 15: look good yesterday Shador.

1992
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 2: Was the opposite of what he was when he made

1993
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 2: his preseason debut, where you watch that and you thought, God,

1994
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 2: this guy looked ready for the moment. He did not

1995
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 2: look ready for the moment yesterday and his I think

1996
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 2: his coaching to a degree was complicit with it. But

1997
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 2: Stefanska in Cleveland took a lot of heat for giving

1998
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 2: all the first team reps to Dylan Gabriel because he's

1999
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 2: trying to get that quarterback and it experienced quarterback ready

2000
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 2: for that week's game. That said Shidora Sanders, when the

2001
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:04,719
Speaker 2: moment met him, he didn't meet the moment.

2002
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 15: You think the Browns and Bengals are playing something, playing

2003
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 15: for something in the final week draft positioning, right, how

2004
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 15: high of draft positioning?

2005
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 2: You know, That's that's kind of the key question right now.

2006
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 16: It's it's just weird.

2007
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 15: The AFC is bizarre, right, Like I'm still I know

2008
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 15: they've won a lot of football games. I'm not sold

2009
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 15: on Denver yet. Like they're finding ways to win, but

2010
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 15: they're not dominant in the way they win.

2011
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 2: No.

2012
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 16: New England and Indy.

2013
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 2: But do you need to be dominant in the way

2014
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 2: you win Kansas City last year?

2015
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,480
Speaker 15: But they have the track record of doing that. Mahomes,

2016
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 15: you know, is bow Nicks the guy. Like the top

2017
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 15: three teams in the AFC, Denver, New England, Indy. Who

2018
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:52,640
Speaker 15: are you most confident in bow next, Daniel Jones or

2019
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 15: Drake may.

2020
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,560
Speaker 2: Well. I think Drake may is the better of the three.

2021
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 2: I still believe enough in Denver's defense.

2022
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 15: But it's like Buffalo showed me something yesterday. Sure, Josh Allen,

2023
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 15: Josh Allen, Chargers got boat raced.

2024
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 2: Offensive line is a mess.

2025
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 16: It's just it's got to catch up to him at

2026
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 16: some point.

2027
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 2: Not having the two starting tackles has caught up to him.

2028
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 15: Jacksonville maybe showed that they have stay in power. Davis

2029
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 15: Mills has got Houston surviving.

2030
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 2: I think suddenly Houston Buffalo on Thursday is a really

2031
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 2: sneaky fund.

2032
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 16: Absolutely yeah.

2033
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 15: And then again like Miami's won two in a row

2034
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 15: since they've made a change, and within the organization, Kansas

2035
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 15: City Baltimore on the outside looking in AFC is just

2036
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 15: a is a weird spot right now.

2037
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 2: The game that we were all looking forward to yesterday

2038
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:41,799
Speaker 2: was ram Seahawks where Sam Donald throws a bunch of picks.

2039
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:44,760
Speaker 2: LA's offense wasn't at its best. It's still a top

2040
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 2: five team both offensive efficiency and defense.

2041
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 15: I don't know if it said more about the Rams

2042
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 15: or the Seahawks that Donald threw four picks and it was.

2043
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 16: That close two point game.

2044
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2045
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:55,879
Speaker 16: I like a lot about the Seahawks.

2046
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 15: I like a lot about the Rams and the Rams. Yeah,

2047
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 15: I thought Tampa, even in a loss, showed something. Yes,

2048
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 15: they're eventually gonna get healthier.

2049
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,680
Speaker 2: How about the Philadelphia Eagles defense last night?

2050
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 15: Yeah, if you liked about games holding opponents under ten.

2051
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 2: If you don't watch the games, and if you don't

2052
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 2: pay attention to the standings and you listen to how

2053
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 2: people talk about the Eagles, you would think they have

2054
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 2: the Bengals record. It feels like there's NonStop discord. There's

2055
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 2: NonStop talk of underachievement, NonStop j Brown consistency. People don't

2056
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 2: like Nick Sirianni. I don't know, man, All that dude

2057
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 2: does is win. They made Jared Goff look terrible last night. Yeah,

2058
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 2: Like I understand, offensively, there are some things you don't

2059
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 2: quite trust. But oh boy, their defense.

2060
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 15: Good team, man, and they keep adding to it as well,

2061
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 15: so you know they they like the NFC is just

2062
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 15: so bizarre to me. There are so many contenders. I

2063
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 15: feel like sure, like I still think Detroit to a contender.

2064
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 2: Offensively, there's still a world talent.

2065
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 15: Like brock Party looked ridiculous yesterday.

2066
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 16: There they are sneaky good.

2067
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 15: The first three weeks of the year, Green Bay was

2068
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,639
Speaker 15: the team and now they're just like quietly flying under

2069
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:11,679
Speaker 15: the radar, not winning impressively, but still finding wins. Josh

2070
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 15: Wiley catch a touchdown pass yesterday, but man Bears, Bears

2071
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 15: have seven wins.

2072
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:18,640
Speaker 2: Find a way to do it.

2073
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 15: They find a way like Ben Johnson like, find a

2074
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:22,840
Speaker 15: way to do it. And the NFC is so fun.

2075
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 2: It is.

2076
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 16: NFC is fun this year.

2077
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, no, no question about it. I just

2078
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 2: with Philadelphia. Can you call like Howie Roseman's like number

2079
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:36,759
Speaker 2: four right, clearly he's got a lot of folks working

2080
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 2: with him. Yeah, you want to like mine the really

2081
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 2: well run organizations for talent, ye people who you know

2082
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,719
Speaker 2: work for folks. And again it's not gonna be a clone.

2083
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 2: Plenty of people have tried to hire Bill Belichick assistance

2084
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 2: and it hasn't worked out. But as I've got Duke

2085
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 2: Tobin sitting around signing dudes like Geno Stone and not

2086
01:40:54,360 --> 01:41:00,759
Speaker 2: addressing his defense. Can you call Howie Roseman and go, hey, man,

2087
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 2: who's working for you that would like to run a

2088
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 2: franchise of their own?

2089
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:05,479
Speaker 16: Yeah?

2090
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 15: There are times like where I just feel clueless when

2091
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 15: it comes to sports. And then there are times I'm like, man,

2092
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 15: I feel like I know what I'm talking about the

2093
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 15: amount of time you and I exhausted on Gihad Campbell

2094
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 15: leading into the draft and then watching him play on

2095
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 15: a weekly basis. Yes, Like, man, it feels like we

2096
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 15: got that one right, m h. Which is crazy if

2097
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 15: if he was only a position of need for the Bengals.

2098
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well only if he had elite.

2099
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 16: Traits tied him on a reach, it would have been

2100
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:30,679
Speaker 16: a reach.

2101
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're looking for those traite who cares if they

2102
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:34,560
Speaker 2: could actually play.

2103
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:35,639
Speaker 16: Yeah, it doesn't even.

2104
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 2: Matter if they've ever actually played football, but if they

2105
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:38,719
Speaker 2: have those physical trades.

2106
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 15: I had a call her calling today and he made

2107
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 15: some really good points, like Demetrius Knight, like good story,

2108
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 15: and I know other circumstances, Right, if you're twenty five

2109
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 15: and still in college, there's probably a reason perret Carter

2110
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 15: Miles Murphy like if you're at Clemson and you're there

2111
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:57,679
Speaker 15: for like three or four years, probably not an elite

2112
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 15: talent because you haven't left before. You start to look

2113
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 15: at these draft picks and you're like, hmm, we all

2114
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 15: knew Schamar was a reach. Yes, because of the production.

2115
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 15: It's like, well, Demetrius night Man, he's twenty five, but

2116
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:13,640
Speaker 15: in order to get around that, he'll he'll just be

2117
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 15: so privy. Don't picking up the scheme? Does he look

2118
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:17,800
Speaker 15: like a guy he's picking up the scheme?

2119
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 2: No. I tell you what. I feel bad for Barrett

2120
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 2: Carter because I thought of.

2121
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:24,919
Speaker 15: Nick Vigil, Dude, Nick Vigil, him trying to cover Gainwell.

2122
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:29,919
Speaker 15: Like I I got into the studio today and Seg Dennison.

2123
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 15: I told Seg, Seg could have covered Gainwell better on

2124
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 15: that ploy.

2125
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is that wasn't even his worst, no moment. No,

2126
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 2: Darnell Washington, who, by the way, looked like you ever

2127
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 2: seen like sometimes you'll see highlights and it's like an

2128
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:42,280
Speaker 2: eighth grade kid.

2129
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 15: Yes, you're like that kid can't be an eighth grade

2130
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 15: and he can't be an eighth grade certificate, just like

2131
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 15: Dragon dudes with him. Darnell Washington. Yeah, the biggest tight

2132
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 15: end I've ever seen doing that yesterday. So Nick Vigil

2133
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 15: ended up having a pretty nice NFL career. Yeah, But

2134
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 15: when you say Nick Vigil, I.

2135
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 16: Think the Lamar Jack and spend just.

2136
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:03,720
Speaker 2: Undressing him at midfield in two thousand.

2137
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 16: And the MVP video.

2138
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 2: Yes, Barrett Carter may end up being a terrific player.

2139
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 2: There's been nothing so far to suggest that that is

2140
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 2: a very distinct possibility. But I will at least allow

2141
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 2: for it fifteen twenty years from now. When you say

2142
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 2: Barrett Carter, I ain't gonna think of Darnell Washington just

2143
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 2: abusing that dude. Yeah, on a day that was otherwise

2144
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:25,800
Speaker 2: not great on film for Barret Carter.

2145
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 15: Yeah, not good. A long line of the same, just

2146
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 15: not good all the way around. My goodness, he looked

2147
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:42,719
Speaker 15: I'm not kidding that first touchdown. It wasn't like gain well,

2148
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:45,519
Speaker 15: like stuttered. No, it wasn't like he ran like a

2149
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 15: choice route. No, just simple right out of the backfield,

2150
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 15: and it looked like he was stuck in mud like man,

2151
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:54,760
Speaker 15: those field conditions must be rough in Pittsburgh, That's how

2152
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 15: bad it was.

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Speaker 2: We've arrived at the point of the show where we

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Speaker 15: But this has been fun Nippert Stadium. I've enjoyed this today.

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Speaker 15: I got a run, I got that thing tonight.

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Speaker 2: Well, can you call in?

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Speaker 16: The service at home is not great normally for me.

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Speaker 2: So you see loses to Arizona, and right, that's a

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Speaker 2: five krc Kentucky falls to twelve in the AP Top

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Speaker 2: Louisville is sixth in both major polls. The Cardinals come

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Speaker 2: to Cincinnati to play the Bearcats on Friday night. Indiana

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Speaker 2: is ranked twenty fifth in the coach's poll. Tony and

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Speaker 2: mol Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. We got about

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Speaker 2: nine minutes to go. We have talked about a lot

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Speaker 2: of different issues, most of them as they relate to

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Speaker 2: the Bengals in the NFL, we have not yet discussed

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Speaker 2: what happened at Knippert Stadium on Saturday. I had a

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Speaker 2: bad feeling about this game. I had a worse feeling

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Speaker 2: midway through the second quarter when it felt like the

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Speaker 2: Bearcats had a lead that was very tenuous, and Arizona's

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Speaker 2: missing field goals and they're not finishing drives, and yet

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Speaker 2: every time the Bearcats would get the ball back with

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Speaker 2: the lead, they couldn't build upon it. I felt bad

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Speaker 2: then I felt worse after the game, And I think

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Speaker 2: what has happened now is we've gone from talking about

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Speaker 2: whether or not they could play for a Big twelve

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Speaker 2: championship to now wondering if this year is gonna mirror

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Speaker 2: last year where they lose their last four. They will

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Speaker 2: play in a ball game this year, will they lose

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Speaker 2: their last five which is what happened last year.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, there are so many correlations to that spiral last

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Speaker 15: year that you find this year. Quarterback play in the

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01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 15: last two games has taken a significant step back. The

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01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 15: defense doesn't make the plays when they need it. But

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Speaker 15: to your point, I think the first thing I said

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Speaker 15: to you when I got in the press box on

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Speaker 15: Saturday was something just doesn't feel right. Yeah, it just

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Speaker 15: felt quiet, lack of energy over the course of the

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Speaker 15: bye week, and all anyone asked me was about BYU.

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Speaker 15: And the more you sat back and watched Arizona and

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Speaker 15: looked at what they'd done, it's like, this is a

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Speaker 15: good team that's coming in. It's a good quarterback. Defense

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Speaker 15: had twelve interceptions coming into the game, led the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 15: They were top ten in multiple categories nationwide in defense,

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Speaker 15: especially against the pass, and to me, the troubling part

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Speaker 15: has been the lack of this team to adjust to

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Speaker 15: man coverage. Nebraska ran a lot of it, Utah ran

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Speaker 15: a lot of it. Arizona ran a lot of it.

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Speaker 15: No answers. Those have been their three worst games, and

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Speaker 15: it's arguably been against the three teams that have have

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Speaker 15: been the best competition. That, to me is concerned. But

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Speaker 15: to your point, it was weird because you couldn't have

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01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 15: started worse. The interception on the first play. Arizona scores

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Speaker 15: two plays later, but then you see picks himself back up.

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Speaker 15: They go down the field and score. They're running at will.

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Speaker 15: They go down and score again. It's fourteen to seven,

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Speaker 15: and then the defense got four straight stops four times

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Speaker 15: Brendan Soarsby, and that offense got the ball to fourteen

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Speaker 15: to seven lead and did nothing with it. And at

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Speaker 15: that point you kind of felt like ruined missed opportunity

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Speaker 15: to put a team multiple scores down at home early start,

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Speaker 15: a lot of things going against them. You missed that opportunity.

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Speaker 15: And as the game went on, and as the defense

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Speaker 15: failed to get the stops needed, and as Sowersby struggled

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Speaker 15: at times with the interceptions, it just felt like it

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Speaker 15: was kind of caving in. And I looked at you

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Speaker 15: a couple of times. It's a couple of instances third

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Speaker 15: down and five, third and seven, and the Bearcats are

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Speaker 15: playing ten yards of cushion. Yeah, Like the biggest play

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Speaker 15: in the game was a third and five and there

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Speaker 15: are ten yards off and it was an easy pitch

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Speaker 15: and catch to the outside.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand.

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Speaker 15: They've made the same mistakes on defense all year. Their

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Speaker 15: corners do not get their head around, And now what

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Speaker 15: are you seeing. Teams that are capable in the passing

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Speaker 15: game are just doing that, Like they're not getting beat

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Speaker 15: with elaborate concepts. It's go routes that either result in

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Speaker 15: a catch or a penalty, but the inability to beat

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Speaker 15: man to man coverage is staggering to me for the

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Speaker 15: Cincinnati Bearcats. And if you don't think BYU is gonna

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Speaker 15: watch that and bring their physical style of play to

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Speaker 15: do the same thing, you better have an answer for that.

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Speaker 2: So two different things here. One strategically, Cincinnati runs the

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Speaker 2: ball really well early and then Arizona basically says you're

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Speaker 2: not going to run it, we dare you to throw.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Tony that in a competitive situation, not

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Speaker 2: a blowout where a team has no choice but to pass,

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Speaker 2: But as a game like that is unfolding, I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure I've seen a team play cover zero so much

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Speaker 2: disrespect with no safety back as often as Arizona did,

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Speaker 2: basically saying we dare you to throw it. There were

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Speaker 2: multiple snaps in the second half where every Arizona defender

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Speaker 2: was within five yards of the line of scrimmage. How

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Speaker 2: do you not beat that at least once?

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Speaker 15: And not only not beat it once, but not really

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Speaker 15: even have an answer on how to beat it once?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 16: Like minimal minimal tries to run a screen?

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Speaker 2: Well, you kept talking about during the broadcast, moving the protection, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: moving the pocket, moving the pocket, I just none of that.

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Speaker 15: No, they didn't do any of that. And again, you're

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Speaker 15: coming off a bye in which a team in Utah

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Speaker 15: challenged you the same way Brendan Soorsby said it after

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Speaker 15: the game. We've got to have a better answer for man,

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Speaker 15: what happened during the bye week. You know, it's another

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Speaker 15: game where questions are being answered, asked about who Joe

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01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 15: Royer two targets, one catch.

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Speaker 16: I just I don't. I don't get it. It's a guy.

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Speaker 16: I feel bad Joe Royer.

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Speaker 15: At one point in the offseason, McShay had him going

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Speaker 15: thirty first overall.

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Speaker 2: So we that talented, we like we like Joe Royer

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01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 2: right what we've both spent time with Joe, spent time

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Speaker 2: with his family to overrate him.

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Speaker 16: I don't think so. I think he's that talented.

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Speaker 15: I mean, SoRs be talking after the game that they're

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01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:41,600
Speaker 15: bracketing him in, double teaming him, like he's getting the

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Speaker 15: same respect we're talking about Jamar Chase getting right. There's

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Speaker 15: got to be ways you can get him involved. And

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Speaker 15: the whole move the pocket thing. You can't just ask

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Speaker 15: a quarterback to sit in the pocket. Cover zero is

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Speaker 15: designed to bring more people than you can block. That's

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Speaker 15: the that's the idea of cover zero. Man demand that

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01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:05,200
Speaker 15: there's one safety back and he's accountable for the deep

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Speaker 15: part of the field. But that evens up the numbers

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01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 15: cover zero. There's one more than you can block because

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Speaker 15: the quarterback's the passer, So no matter how you slice it,

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Speaker 15: it can't be blocked up unless you either have quick

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Speaker 15: game answers, rub routes, screen game, or move the pocket.

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Speaker 15: I didn't see any of that from the Cincinnati Bearcats,

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Speaker 15: and coming off a buy where you just played a

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Speaker 15: team that challenged you in the same way and not

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Speaker 15: having that answer is alarming to me.

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Speaker 2: Brendan Soresby last year, middle of the season, it felt

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01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:36,800
Speaker 2: like he had a bad game and it snowballed. My

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01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:40,160
Speaker 2: fear after the Utah game was something similar is gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Why should I believe that hasn't started to happen.

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Speaker 15: You're gonna have to You're gonna have to hope that

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Speaker 15: you see differently on Saturday, because I don't have a

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Speaker 15: reason that it's not gonna happen. I think Brendan Sowsby's

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01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 15: issue right now is predetermining everything. The first play of

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Speaker 15: the game, he predetermined that. Look, he didn't read it out,

2339
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 15: ball was picked off, ball was picked off. He predetermined

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01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:00,360
Speaker 15: a couple run pass options where instead of giving it

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Speaker 15: out he kept it. Looked to me like he predetermined it.

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Speaker 15: And then the last play of the game, fourth down,

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01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:07,599
Speaker 15: with the game on the line, the balls don't out

2344
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:10,599
Speaker 15: of bounce. You went down without even giving anyone a chance,

2345
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:14,800
Speaker 15: didn't utilize himself as much as a runner as we've

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Speaker 15: seen in games past.

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Speaker 16: I mean, they were on pace.

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Speaker 15: It felt like the run for five hundred yards, and Arizona,

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01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:22,320
Speaker 15: as you said, came down and said nope, we're not

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Speaker 15: going to let that happen. Beat us in the passing game,

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Speaker 15: and they didn't.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna play a very good BYU team on Saturday,

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01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 2: then they have to go on the road and play TCU,

2354
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 2: then there will be a bowl game. What are we

2355
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:42,440
Speaker 2: talking about if they don't win another game? What are

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01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:44,960
Speaker 2: we talking about if they end this season with a

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Speaker 2: five game losing streak, which is how last season ended.

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Speaker 15: I don't think because of how it started, you're talking

2359
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,640
Speaker 15: about a coaching change. But I think there's gonna be

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Speaker 15: a loud audience to talk about that. If that happens,

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Speaker 15: I don't know how you get it turned back around.

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01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:07,920
Speaker 15: With the current regime. I don't know how you can

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01:55:08,280 --> 01:55:11,200
Speaker 15: sell it again and continue to raise the nil money.

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Speaker 2: I do not think you can sell it.

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Speaker 15: You can't, especially with where you are this year. Who's

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Speaker 15: their best win Kansas probably Iowa State short handed, the

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Speaker 15: best teams they've played, they've lost. Who's the where's the

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01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 15: where's the where's the marquee?

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Speaker 2: Big win? I think if you could somehow steer this

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Speaker 2: back on track and yeah, go nine and three? Nine

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Speaker 2: and three, okay, disappointing that they didn't compete for a

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Speaker 2: conference title. Nine and three is gonna feel like progress,

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Speaker 2: especially if you win your last two and maybe you

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Speaker 2: win a Bowl game. If it goes the other direction

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Speaker 2: after you started seven and one, good luck selling people

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Speaker 2: on that music means you have to go.

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Speaker 16: Time to go.

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Speaker 2: We got through it.

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Speaker 16: You're serving a one game suspension next week?

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Speaker 2: Are you are you gonna spit on me?

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Speaker 16: Nope?

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Speaker 2: Good Uh? Tony is back in studio for Tony Pike

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Speaker 2: since three sixties.

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Speaker 16: Tomorrow noon, I thought, I thought I go do that now.

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Speaker 2: No, Well, according to our promo person, that's tomorrow I

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Speaker 2: am back out at at three oh five at a

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Speaker 2: different establishment. Okay, have a great night. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Mike Mills and Joe Strecker for producing on site,

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Speaker 2: and of course our guy back from Florida, Tearan Bland

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Speaker 2: in studio. Have an awesome night. That Mark Stoops radio

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Speaker 2: show is next. This has been the Tony and Mo

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Speaker 2: Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 17: Station, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 14: Traffic from the UCL Tram Think Center.

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Speaker 18: Just one accident to look out for to your right

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Speaker 18: shoulder on nine two seventy five eastbound near Princeton Pike

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Speaker 18: because it's cousin.

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Speaker 2: Are you around?

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Speaker 18: A five minute delay and there's south can go traffic

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Speaker 18: on I seventy five southbound between Western Avenue and Fort

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Speaker 18: Washington Way, so I'm slow down on I seventy one

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Speaker 18: A northbound between Norwood Lateral and Kinwood Road, as well

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Speaker 18: as southbound between I two to seventy five and Redbank Road.

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Speaker 18: I'm Jeremy Bryant with traffic.

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