1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,559 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z, 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: Or right, Thank you very miss Dan Watkins. As we 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: move into Christmas week, I have been following a story 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: and I've asked all of you to take an interest 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: in the story as well. There was a little boy 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: five years old. I don't know him, I don't know 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: what anyone in his family. His name was Lenz Joseph, 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: and he was killed on April twenty eighth of this year. 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: So he, like other five year olds and six year olds, 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: should be going to sleep every night this week in 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: anticipation of Santa Claus. Unfortunately, Lenz Joseph lost his life 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: on April twenty eighth, and I think most of you 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: know the story. He was on a school bus, a 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: Boston City of Boston school bus, and he was lived 16 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: with his family in Hyde Park and the bus driver 17 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: that day had a rough day in many respects. Apparently 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: his certificate to drive a bus had expired and had 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: not been renewed. And earlier that afternoon, on the way 20 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: home from his school, the bus driver sideswiped a parked car, 21 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: never stopped, never reported the accident, as if it didn't happen. 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: And then he apparently gets somehow turned around and the 23 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: way his bus route was laid out, he was supposed 24 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 2: to drop five year old Lens Joseph and his eleven 25 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: year old cousin off in front of their house, but 26 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: he ended up on the other side of the intersection, 27 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: and instead of taking his time, for whatever reason, he 28 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: decided to drop Lens and his cousin on the other 29 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: side of an intersection, but Lens never got to the 30 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: intersection within five seconds or less. According to studies that 31 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: the Boston Globe have conducted, they of course had to 32 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: file all sorts of freedom of information material and the 33 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: lead reporter on the story is a reporter named John 34 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 2: Hilliard who has done just a terrific job on this 35 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: story and has broken story information all along. As the 36 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: little boy and his sister, his eleven year old cousin 37 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: excuse me, got off the bus, they walked in front 38 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: of the bus and the bus the driver apparently was 39 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: distracted and he took off or rolled forward and killed 40 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: five year old Lens. Show The family now has a 41 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: lawsuit civil lawsuit, but they no longer have this little 42 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 2: precious five year old boy as a member of their 43 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: family and again he was killed by the very bus 44 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: that was driving him home. I just am just stunned 45 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: by the story. Now, we have talked before about the 46 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: fact that the District Attorney of Saffolk County has brought 47 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: no criminal charge against anyone in the death of this boy, 48 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: this little this young young boy. The district Attorney in 49 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: Safa County is Kevin Hayden, and my producer today invited 50 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: the district attorney to join us and talk about what 51 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: progress is being made in this case. You know, Frank 52 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: Sinatra had a big song for fifty years ago. Basically 53 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: the line was a long way from May to December 54 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: and talked to it was really it was a metaphor 55 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: for someone's life that it's a long time, but eventually 56 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: September comes and the days dwindle down and you get 57 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: to December and that's when the person's life in this 58 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: metaphor of the song would end. It's been a long 59 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: time from April to December, and we can call it 60 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: the first of May because it was the first week 61 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: of May, April twenty eighth. So the response from the 62 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: district attorney today was to our producer, Karen Bussemi Hi, 63 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: Karen This is from his spokesperson, one of these people 64 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: who were paid money to basically prevent them from being 65 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: available to the public. Our policy is not to discuss 66 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: aspects of active death investigations beyond confirming their status. But 67 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: thank you for the invite. So you know that's a 68 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: district attorney that's not interested in talking to me, not 69 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: interested in talking to the residents of Suffolk County, the 70 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: voters of Suffer County. And I think you should remember 71 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: that the next time that he stands for reelection, because 72 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: this is a case, why would they not be some 73 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: criminal action taking here? Even if you want to amend 74 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: a criminal complaint, that can be done by any first 75 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: year assistant district attorney. Well, anyway, the story in The 76 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: Globe today by James Hilliard discloses for the first time 77 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 2: to my knowledge, that the company that had ensured the 78 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 2: Boston Bus Company, they basically was ensuring the buses for 79 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: the city of Boston, National Interstate. On March fourth of 80 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 2: this year, citing the increased frequency of liability losses, decided 81 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 2: that they would not renew the policy on June thirtieth. Now, 82 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: National Interstate was the insurance company at the time of 83 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: Lens Joseph's death, but apparently over time the number of 84 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: claims that accidents was an astonishing number. Okay, we'll get 85 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: to that in a moment. They had about I guess 86 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: seven hundred and seventy claims between June of twenty three. 87 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: June of twenty twenty three and January of twenty twenty 88 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: five would have been last January, and that's only a 89 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: period of about eighteen months. So there were about forty 90 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: two bus accident claims involving buses on average per month. 91 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: And of course the buses are much less prevalent on 92 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: roadways during June, July and August when school is out 93 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: of session. Are there some school buses out there? Yeah, 94 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: So this company, Transdev was basically instructed. It's a French company, 95 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: US headquarters in Illinois, and they transport about twenty one 96 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: thousand students per day. It's not a big number of 97 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: students compared to what used to have in Boston. Boston 98 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: was put unnotice according to John Hilliot's Peace in the 99 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: Globe Today as early as twenty twenty one, that more 100 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: needed to be done to improve driver training and safety. 101 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: According to annual inspection reports conducted by National Interstate obtained 102 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: by the Globe in December in response to a records request. 103 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: So the Globe went and got these records. Now Interstate 104 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: obviously is the insurer, but they also want to make 105 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: sure they haven't insured a company that has had a 106 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: proliferation of accident claims, because I guess they've paid out 107 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: about three three and a half million dollars in claims, 108 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: and one of the claims that at this point is 109 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: still being litigated is the death of Lenz Joseph. So 110 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: the crast that killed Lens remains under investigation by the 111 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: Suffolk District Attorney's office at Boston Police. No one has 112 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: been charged. No one has been charged in connection with 113 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: the crash. It's as if it didn't happen. Oh there's 114 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: a five year old it's dead. But that kid's from 115 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: you know, Boston. Okay, it's a minority child, he's probably 116 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: not the same if this had happened in Weston. Do 117 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: you think there would have been no charges seven eight 118 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 2: months later, I somehow think there would have been charges. 119 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: I somehow think there would have been charges, And if 120 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: you're honest, you would be too. National Interstate declined comment. 121 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: They're private company. I get that. In their twenty twenty report, 122 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: the insurer urged Boston to more effectively use its camera 123 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: system to address unstafed unsafe driving behaviors, and it called 124 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: for all drivers who had an accident, incident, injury, traffic citation, 125 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: or who were involved in an unsafe act to complete 126 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: remedial safety training. In twenty twenty three, the insurer said 127 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: Boston needed to improve its accident investigation program by ensuring 128 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: drivers would train and equipped to handle the scene of 129 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: the accident, and to offer a finishing program for drivers 130 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: with less than two years of commercial motor vehicle experience. So, 131 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: when this driver had an accident in Mattapan and sideeswaped 132 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: the car, his idea to finish the program rather would 133 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: train to equip to handle the scene of an act 134 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 2: was the just keep going? Was the just keep going? 135 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, the insurer called on Boston to 136 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: formalize it's remedial training for drivers involved in accidents, imposed 137 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: mandatory more frequent safety training throughout the year, and enhance 138 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: processes for reporting, tracking, or managing driver fatigue. This is 139 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: all John Hilliard's work in The Boston Globe Today. Ultimately 140 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: and we're going to talk more about this. Ultimately, the 141 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: insurer National Interstate, dropped the City of Boston. Okay, so 142 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: the City of Boston has picked up another insurance company, 143 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: as I'm sure they have. I'm sure they're paying more 144 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: money to the new insurance company. We did, as you 145 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: would expect. We did reach out to the to the 146 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 2: Superintendent of Boston Public Schools, Mary Skipper. They wrote back, 147 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: good afternoon, Karen, confirming we received inquiry. Unfortunately, the superintendent 148 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: is not available to take part in the live segment 149 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: this evening. Thank you and happy holidays, best Samara Pinto, 150 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: Deputy Press Secretary, Communications Office, Well, I got a feeling 151 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: that every time we sent that invitation to Mary Skipper 152 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: she wouldn't be able. But she's welcome to come in 153 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 2: any night. On the phone, Mary Skipper, if you're listening 154 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: on the phone, you don't even have to leave the 155 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: You don't have to drive and leave the safety of 156 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: your own house. Okay, same way for you, District Attorney 157 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: Hayden on the phone. Where's the investigation? Are there chargers 158 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: that are being contemplated? Is there a grand jury that's 159 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: investigating I think the public has a right to know 160 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: and I think that the taxpayers of Boston have a 161 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: right to know, and I think my listeners have a 162 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: right to know. If you feel you have a right 163 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: to know, or if you care about this, it's a 164 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: five year old kid who's dead. Think about it. If 165 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,479 Speaker 2: it was your child, or if it was your grandchild, 166 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: why does it matter any less? If it's a child 167 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: in Boston? Why does it matter any less that this 168 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: is a five year old child who lost his life 169 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: getting off his school bus. Six one seven, two, five, 170 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 171 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: Don't let the powers that be think that you're not 172 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: interested in this story. I am interested in it. I'm 173 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: going to talk about it until ten o'clock and maybe 174 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: we'll pick up on it later on tonight. I have 175 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: a guest coming up at ten o'clock, but I hope 176 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: that you'll join me. I hope you'll join the chorus 177 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: and have the courage to call in and let Kevin 178 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: Hayden and let Mary Skipper and all these other people 179 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: who are working in the public sector and are hiding, 180 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 2: hiding in plain sight. They won't talk to John Hilliard 181 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: from the Globe. They are going to talk to me, 182 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: and they're not going to talk to you, but I 183 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: think they need to hear it, so shout it from 184 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: the rooftops. Do better than that. Dial six one seven, 185 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: two thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 186 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: You know, someday you may not have talk shows like this. 187 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: You never know. And then you'll say, gee, I wish 188 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: I had someone I could I could express myself. They 189 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: tell you, well, you can vote, oh yeah, for DA 190 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: every six years, for mayor every four years, for governor 191 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: every four years Nightside, but two hundred and twenty five 192 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: nights a year. You can call up and you can 193 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: raise topics or you can respond to topics. That's what 194 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: we do. I'm back on Nightside with you hopefully after this. 195 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 196 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: Okay, let's go directly to the phones. Eddie is in 197 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: West Roxbury. Eddie, thank you for calling in. You are 198 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: next our first up this week on Nightside. 199 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 3: IK, good evening, Merry Christmas and I hope you enjoy 200 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 3: your time off to Leah first of the. 201 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: Year, and the Merry Christmas to you as well. 202 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: And I did not read this article in the Globe 203 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 3: today was there any mention of an independent investigator by 204 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 3: the name of Kitwell. She's a very well known Boston attorney, 205 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: farmer Cambridge police officer, A very nice lady, very good lawyer. Yep, 206 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 3: she supposedly was hired by the stity to do an 207 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 3: independent investigation. 208 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a an investigation, but I don't know 209 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: that the results of that investigation. I'm going to read 210 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,239 Speaker 2: from the article for your benefit. In August, an independent 211 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: investigation of the Boston Public Schools and trans to have 212 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: announced by Mayor Michelle Woo and Superintendent Mary Skipper faulted 213 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: the district and its contractor for failing to properly oversee 214 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: and manage school bus operations. So they fault the district 215 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: and its contractor. So the district is Boston Public Schools 216 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: and the contractor is trans deav. But we didn't need 217 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: an investigation to know that. What have they done about it? 218 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: For failing to properly oversee and management school bus operations. 219 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: The bottom line is that the child is still dead. 220 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: No one's been charged with anything, and you know it's 221 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: it's They had a news conference, they said we're going 222 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: to do this, We're going to do What have they done. 223 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: I have seen no indication maybe I've missed it, but 224 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: no reforms that are put into place at all. 225 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: Well, I think the key point Dan is on the 226 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: day and time in question, on the twenty eighth of April. 227 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: What condition was the driver in? What rules of the 228 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: world did he not obey? It's all about the driver 229 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: and the operation of the bus, not about the safety 230 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 3: factors of the school department of the bus company. Well, 231 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: I disagree with you question. 232 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll disagree with you because the safety factors and 233 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: what training the bus drivers received, how carefully they were. 234 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: This guy had had a side swiped a car in 235 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: that you know, if you live in West Roxby, you 236 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: know the relationship between Mattapan and UK Park. And then 237 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: it was just a few minutes later. He never stopped, 238 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: never slowed down, never reported the accident as all of 239 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: which he was supposed to do. Then he just goes 240 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: merrily along his way, gets to the intersection and drops 241 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: the child and his eleven year old cousin off across 242 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: the street from where they should be. And it wasn't 243 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: as if the child was hit in the middle of 244 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: the intersection that would have been bad enough. It was 245 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: he was run over by his own bus. 246 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 3: Why are they not releasing this information? 247 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you, that would be my 248 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: first question ed. I mean, it screams of some sort 249 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: of let's just sit on it for as long as 250 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: we can and everybody will forget about it. And the 251 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: problem is the problem is that people do forget about it. 252 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: You know, I have some full lines here. You know, 253 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: if this was someone's grandchild or someone's child, that'd be 254 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: up in arms. But because it's a little black kid, 255 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: people aren't a conservative. 256 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: My final comment will be this, and I'll let you 257 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 3: get to your other calls. Okay, this bus company. Has 258 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 3: this bus company contributed to anybody's political campaign in Boston? 259 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: I've not done that research. But again, John Hilliard, who's 260 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: been the lead reporter of The Globe, and I am 261 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 2: I hesitate to I criticize the Globe more often than 262 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: a complimented. But Hillary has done a great job on this. 263 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: I don't know that they physically can, but you don't 264 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: know if individuals in the company have contributed. You you 265 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: would like to think that things are on. 266 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 4: The up and up, but please, please, I mean I 267 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 4: don't want to be. 268 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: Naive, but at the same time, I don't want to 269 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: make allegations or implications or insinuations that I can substantiate. 270 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: I think the it's it's it's almost as if if 271 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 2: you wake up in the morning and you notice that 272 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 2: they're a that there's snow on the ground, uh, and 273 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: you notice that maybe there's some some snow, some foot 274 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 2: prince into snow, you kind of can come to the 275 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 2: conclusion that if when you went to bed last night 276 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: it hadn't snowed, that it snowed overnight and someone was 277 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: walking around your house, you know, put footprints. 278 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: The bottom line is, but there's an exchange of money 279 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: here on probably a political contribution. 280 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: I don't know, I can't you know, I can't say that. 281 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: I will allow you to to speculate on that, but 282 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 2: I don't want you to mention any names. 283 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 5: Uh. 284 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: The bottom line is this company has had this contract 285 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: for some time. It's an Illinois company which is actually 286 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: from France. We can't find a bus company in New 287 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 2: England that could do this job. 288 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 3: Is that? 289 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: Is that what we're supposed to believe? 290 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 3: Number of years ago Ellison was on the school committee. 291 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: Remember that case in Boston. 292 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: Yes, Verly that was Paul Ellison. Yeah, there have been 293 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 2: cases before, but but again, I can't project that whatever 294 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 2: happened back then on current school committee. And I'm not 295 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 2: going to go there with that, and I don't want 296 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 2: you to either, Okay, But but the bottom line is, Look, 297 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: if people aren't interested and they don't want to talk 298 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: about this tonight, I know it's a busy night, but 299 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: you know, I got open lines. And if every mother 300 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: and every father could put themselves in the position of 301 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 2: this family and think what would they do, they'd be 302 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: jumping up and down. I mean, it's it's like the 303 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: person whose son or daughter is killed in a drunk 304 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: driving accident. They then spend the rest of their lives out, 305 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: you know, campaigning against drunk driving. The time to campaign 306 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: against drunk driving is before your son and daughter is killed. 307 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: You know, you got to be involved, and you got 308 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: your voice has to be heard. I'm doing this tonight 309 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: because I think it's important, maybe. 310 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 3: My own importance or it is to you, it is 311 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 3: to me. 312 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 2: It's vitally important. Can you imagine there? Can you imagine 313 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: if there was a five year old kid who was 314 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 2: run over by his own bus pick a town Wellesley Winchester, Weston. 315 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: Do you think they would go eight months without charges 316 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: being filed. I just don't think so, do I. So 317 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: what that leads me to believe is somehow the value 318 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: of this little boy's life is somehow less than if 319 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: he lived in one of the more affluent suburbs. And 320 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 2: I don't buy that. I don't believe that for a second. 321 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 2: And that's why I'm going to talk about it for 322 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,479 Speaker 2: at least until ten o'clock and maybe get back to 323 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: it later. But I thank you, I thank you calling 324 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: in from West Roxbury. I want to hear from people 325 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 2: in every section of Boston right now. But guess what, 326 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of people. They're oblivious to this. 327 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: They're the same people who are oblivious in the middle 328 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: of a supermarket when they had me their carriage blocking 329 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 2: the aisle so you can't proceed down the aisle, and 330 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: they're standing there looking at canned vegetables and they think 331 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 2: nothing of the world around them. All their focus is 332 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: on what how much a kid peas today while they're 333 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 2: blocking the aisle, people are They're concerned with their own lives. 334 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: They don't give a crap that a five year old 335 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: kid was run over by a Boston school bus. 336 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: Why did the mayor have to go out and hire 337 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 3: an independent atternity investigate this Any experienced Boston police officer 338 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 3: could have investigated this accident. She didn't have to go 339 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 3: and spend the money to get a lawyer. 340 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: I don't worry about the money. I'm worried about I'm 341 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: worried about due process, and I'm worried about justice and 342 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 2: whens and justice denied is justice delayed? A lot of 343 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 2: justice has been denying here. It's been denied for eight months. 344 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: There is a long, a long time between May and December. 345 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 2: As Frank Sinatra saying, Hey, I appreciate your call and 346 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: I really do, uh. 347 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: Thank you. 348 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: Talk to you soon, Happy New Year, Merry Christmas. We'll 349 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: take a break, coming right back. Here's the news a 350 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 2: little bit late. Got Larry and David's in Dennisport. Got Craigan, Ohio, 351 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: and thank them. And if you're listening right now and 352 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: you don't have the guts to pick up the phone 353 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 2: and just say there's something that smells here, then you know, 354 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 2: wake up and smell the coffee. Six seven two five 355 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: thirty six. 356 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan ray On w Boston's 357 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: news radio. 358 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: Let me go to Larry and Dennisport. Hey, Larry, Welcome. 359 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 6: Good evening, Dan. So when we talked about this a 360 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 6: few weeks ago, I remember that. Yes, so my son 361 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 6: was used to be in the vehicular homicide unit for 362 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 6: the police department. He coincidentally had transferred out like a 363 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 6: week or two right before this accident happened when I 364 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 6: but when I discussed it with him, he wasn't surprised. 365 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 6: His job was as soon as something like this happens, 366 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 6: he's called in immediately, whether he's working or not, has 367 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 6: to drive in. He's part of the crime scene reconstructive unit, 368 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 6: would gather as much information as he could. I think 369 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 6: you mentioned this standard protocol for CDL licensed the company 370 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 6: supposed to have him drug tested the driver immediately. So yeah, 371 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 6: and then all of that information that my son and 372 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 6: whoever his team he's working with, he turns that into 373 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 6: his superior, who has two separate guys detectives that gather 374 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 6: all this information and do the actual investigating and probably 375 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 6: contact the district attorney. But what he said was when 376 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 6: he was in that units, he was working on some 377 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 6: cases that were a year or two old. That's how 378 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 6: either overwhelming are or that's how intricate the processes. I 379 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 6: don't know. I don't want to defend a criticized. 380 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 2: Oh, I get that. I would only say that everything 381 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: that you and I know about this accident, this young 382 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 2: boy got off the bus and according to video that 383 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: again John Hilliard from the Globe has uncovered within five 384 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 2: seconds that kid was dead, right, Okay, So that means 385 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: as soon as the child got off the bus, the 386 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: driver should have been alert and know that he had 387 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: dropped the child off on the wrong side of the intersection, 388 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: and that the child very likely would go across the 389 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 2: intersection because he probably his grandmothers. I believe both of 390 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: his grandmothers were waiting for him across the intersection. They 391 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: witnessed what happened. 392 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a heart breaking story. 393 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 3: Heartbreaking story. 394 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: Well it's also Look, look, I'm not willing to throw 395 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: the driver under the bus quite but if this guy 396 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: hit another car with that bus and did not report, 397 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: did not stop, did not share whatever information, even to 398 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: leave a note on the window of a parked car, 399 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: but just merrily continued on that guy shouldn't be driving anything. 400 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: He shouldn't be driving a car. Are never mind a bus. 401 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: He shouldn't be driving a motors he shouldn't be driving 402 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: a tricycle. 403 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 7: I agree, I agree. 404 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: Also, thank you for thank you for the perspective. Larry, 405 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I hope if you you've had 406 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 2: a happy honicas honicas. Is it tonight the last night 407 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 2: or is it all. 408 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 6: I celebrate Festivus? 409 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 2: You are with? Okay, well, I want to wish you 410 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: a very happy Festivus. 411 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 6: Okay, thanks so. 412 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: Much, Larry, talk soon. Thanks buddy, ba. Here we go, 413 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: let's keep rolling. He're going to go next to Craig 414 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: and Ohio. Craig, thank you for calling in from Ohio. 415 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 7: How are you all right? 416 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 4: Uh? 417 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 7: If you could? I know nothing about this horrific situation 418 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 7: except for here on the radio. Uh are you telling 419 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 7: me the powers to be kind of look at it is? Well, 420 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 7: it's a black kid from the city. You know, we're 421 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 7: not going to pay a whole lot attention to. But 422 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 7: if there's a white kid for more influential neighborhood, they'd 423 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 7: be doing more well, it would. 424 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: Appear to me. 425 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: Look, let me tell you, Okay, I'm a white kid 426 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: from the city. I grew up in the city. I 427 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: grew up not far from where Lens Joseph was killed. Okay, 428 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 2: so I know that part of Boston. And the fact 429 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: of the matter is Lenses was a black young man 430 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: five years five years old. Okay, I guarantee you that 431 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: if in some of our better suburbs, whether we're talking 432 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: about Brookline, Newton, Wellesley, Weston, Sudbury, these are these are 433 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: the cities, the towns outside the periphery of Boston, if 434 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: there was a child killed by their own school bus. 435 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 2: I mean, you'd have people out in the streets, you know, 436 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 2: I mean you would. It's as simple as that. And 437 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 2: the only difference that I can see is this was 438 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: an urban, uh incident that all of the surrounding you know, 439 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: this was you know, there was no factor here that 440 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: would say, well the bus driver was a little later, 441 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: it was raining, or it was snowing, a blizzard was 442 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: going on. This was a beautiful late April day. I mean, 443 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: that child got off, the child got off the bus, 444 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: crossed obviously in front of the bus and was run over. 445 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 7: Unbelievable, you know, I you know, I just can't imagine, 446 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 7: you know, for everybody in that family. When he said 447 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 7: the grandmas were across the street. Oh my lord, yep, yep, 448 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 7: I believe that. 449 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 2: And he was with his eleven year old cousin, a 450 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: little girl, a little eleven year old girl. She witnessed everything. 451 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 7: I think something thatter go ahead of the line here 452 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 7: like this case. 453 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 2: You know, it's just you know, justace delayed. Is justice denied. 454 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: I don't think that the driver was charged. Well, I 455 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: know the drive. No one's be charged with anything, Craig. 456 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 2: I know that you had nothing to do with this accident. 457 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 2: So the fact that you're not charged, I know I 458 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: had nothing to do with this accident. But I know 459 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 2: that the guy that was driving the bus in this videotape, 460 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: which according to the Globe, shows that he was not paying. 461 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 4: Attention all right now, again that's an. 462 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 2: Observation from the boss to Globe reporter. But something happened here. 463 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 2: That child stepped off the bus. Within five to seven seconds, 464 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: he was dead. 465 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 7: I'm real, thanks, Craig. 466 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: I'm so delighted that one of my regular callers from 467 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: Ohio would have the guts to call in and raise 468 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: the obvious questions. And I mean that seriously. It shows 469 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: to me that you're a pretty good human being. Okay, 470 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: I mean that's bank you. Thank you. Craig. Right back 471 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: at you, quick break, coming right back on night Side. 472 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan ray one, Boston's news radio. 473 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: Okay, all of a sudden, the phones have lit up here, 474 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: which is fine with me. We're gonna try to get 475 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: everybody in. We'll see what we can do. We have 476 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: a guest at ten. We may come back to this later. 477 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: John and Boston next on Nightside. 478 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 6: John, go right ahead, thanks d Dan. 479 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,239 Speaker 4: I'm just looking at the report that was done by 480 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 4: all State a couple of months ago. Boston is the 481 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 4: riskiest city in the country to drive. And then Springfield's 482 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 4: number four and scersely, what's the number four? Springfield's number five, 483 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 4: So these cities are very dangerous. Go to the Red Tree, 484 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 4: don and Braintree. They've given all licenses. Every time I've 485 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 4: been here six highs a past month. Every time I 486 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 4: go there, I smell plot. So there there is a 487 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 4: lack of days attitude here in massive, especially Boston. You 488 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 4: get bike lanes and you got these buses. Now one 489 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 4: insurance companies don't want to ensure the company. They have 490 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 4: to go to France to get a company This is 491 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 4: a dangerous ay, bosses, the number one city, the riskiest 492 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 4: city in the whole country. Dad, And I'll tell you, 493 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 4: I don't know why this five year old boys did? 494 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 4: I believe the legal profession. 495 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 7: I know you're a lawyer. 496 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 4: Why isn't the legal profession doing something about this? There's 497 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 4: a problem in Seattle. A woman was hit on the 498 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 4: on the head and he's now blind in one eye 499 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 4: because the legal profess to DA except letting this guy out. Now, 500 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 4: we have a problem near Boston. They're not going after 501 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 4: this the driver. They're not, by the way, let. 502 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: Me just read. Let me read one sentence to you, okay. 503 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: From the Globe piece today by John Hilliard. Unreleased bus 504 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: surveillance video from the crash, viewed by the Globe, which 505 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: I've looked at as well, appeared to show the driver 506 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 2: didn't have his eyes on the road when the bus 507 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 2: rolled forward instruct lens. That says it all to me. 508 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 4: And why isn't the DA and why is the legal profession? 509 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 4: Why is it the beer of Boston? Why is the 510 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 4: governor going after in person? Going at this young boy's dead? 511 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 4: They don't give a damn Dan, Because the young boys 512 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 4: said it's Christmas time, and the mayor of Boston, I'm sorry, 513 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 4: in the gov they don't care because they're dragging their 514 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 4: feet on this. This is legal craft, Dan, They're dragging 515 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 4: his feet. You know it is, and I know it is. 516 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm talking about it, John, And that's 517 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: why I'm glad you took the time to call in 518 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 2: tonight on it, because you're you're someone in Boston, and yeah, 519 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: I mean, where are our leaders? Where is the transparency 520 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 2: that we have been promised on an accident that took 521 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: this child's life? May June, July, August, September, October, November, 522 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: now most of December. That's eight months. 523 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 4: Dan. You saw the bikes and the scooters going up 524 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 4: on the highway, hundreds of them, just a few months 525 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 4: ago on August. It's been going on yet. There is 526 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 4: a lawless atmosphere here in Boston and then Massachusetts, and 527 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 4: there's blue Just like John. 528 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: I got you, I got you in here, but I 529 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: got to get a couple more in before I break. 530 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 4: Okay, thanks you stoking up for the young boy. 531 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: Did I'm with you? That's I'm so glad you. I 532 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: just wish you had called earlier. That's all, but thank 533 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 2: you for calling. Thanks John, Merry Christmas, Vicky and North Carolina. Vicky, 534 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: go right ahead. 535 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,479 Speaker 5: I'm going to be real brief. I've listened to your 536 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 5: show before. This is the first time I cried. I'm sorry, 537 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 5: I'm mom, and your grandma. 538 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: I'm ready to I'm ready to cry about it as well. 539 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 2: When I think about this kid, I. 540 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 5: Think this is nationwide what we're talking about. If you 541 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 5: notice how people fight for animals, which I have a 542 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 5: little animals, but our kids do not get the recognitions 543 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 5: like animals do. This is a This is not just 544 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 5: a Boston problem. This is a nation my problem. Our 545 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 5: children on all you like they should be. And I'm sorry, 546 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 5: I don't care. It's wrong, especially a minorities and disay 547 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 5: book communities. And that's all I have to say about that. 548 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: Thank you. If you celebrate Christmas, thank you for calling. 549 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: That was a Christmas gift you gave to Boston. From 550 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 2: North Carolina. We like to think of ourselves as we're 551 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: the smallest people in the world up here. Well, I 552 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: think we just had a lesson from a woman in 553 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: North Carolina, and I thank you very much for doing. 554 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 5: You guys have a wonderful Christmas and pray for our nation, 555 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 5: and do me a. 556 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: Favor you keep listening and keep calling on my show. 557 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, thank you, thank. 558 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: You very much. Let me go next to real quickly 559 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: to Victor in Jamaica plane. Victor, I want to get 560 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: you in here before the break, right ahead. 561 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 8: Dan, I called you a few months ago about this. 562 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 8: But I'm wondering, is this some kind of like a 563 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 8: public outcry or protest about this taken place? Because no, 564 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 8: this is simply no. 565 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what this is, Victor. This is one 566 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 2: talk show host who told you a few months ago 567 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 2: I was going to stay on this story. And also 568 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: I want to credit John Hilliard, the reporter and the 569 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: writer at the Boston Herald who has been in the 570 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 2: lead of this story. And I've done stories following up 571 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 2: on what he has done in the news in the newspapers. 572 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 2: So I'm going to stay with it, John, Victor, I 573 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 2: promise you. It looks to me that John Hillard will as well. 574 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 3: Well. 575 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 8: I appreciate it. It's just that, uh, I'm not sure 576 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 8: just quite why. It seems to be uh, some people 577 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 8: are keeping quiet on this and not saying anything, which 578 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 8: is kind of really disturbing. I don't know why that is. 579 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: I believe in transparencies, you know, Victor. They say sunlight 580 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 2: is the greatest disinfection. Politicians talk about transparency, but they 581 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 2: never utilize it, particularly on cases in which maybe their 582 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 2: administration and could could take some heat. It's it's if 583 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: they don't there's one way you can deny, deny, deny, 584 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 2: or if you're a big time politician, you just don't 585 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 2: answer it. You don't go on the radio, you don't 586 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 2: talk to a talk show host, you don't talk to 587 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 2: the residents of Boston. Wouldn't you like to ask the 588 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 2: DA what's going on here? DA? What's taken so long? 589 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 2: Is this like a complicated case? Is this the the 590 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 2: equivalent of the Kennedy assassination? I don't think so. The 591 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 2: kid got off the bus and then the bus rolled over. 592 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, exactly so, Victor. 593 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 2: I thank you for calling tonight. Merry Christmas. You're Victor. 594 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 2: I pledge to you and other people in Boston, I 595 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 2: will not leave this case until it's concluded. Okay. 596 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 3: I appreciate that. 597 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 8: I like him, and thank. 598 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 2: You, Thank you very much, Victor. To the callers in 599 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: the line, I think I'm going to get back to 600 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 2: this later tonight. Bet to Joe and Walpole and Linda 601 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 2: in Weymouth. I wish it called a little earlier. I 602 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: gotta go to a guest on the other side. We're 603 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: going to talk about one in ten kids are abused 604 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 2: sexually before before they reached the age of eighteen. We 605 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 2: will get back to this later, I promise coming back 606 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 2: on Nightside. Stay with us back after this on Nightside.