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Speaker 1: past three o'clock Central Standard Time, Welcome back Monday edition

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Speaker 1: Bumper to Bumper program on a call before the Snonami

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Speaker 1: Monday here in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and Saint

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Speaker 1: Paul Garcy is the producer of the program. I'm the

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Speaker 1: former instant Retch newspaper the Twin Cities, Dan Barrero. We

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Speaker 1: will be here six thirty or do we have Are

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Speaker 1: we out early? Leave at six fifteen tonight? Fifteen tonight

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Speaker 1: for Wolves of Vikings programming heading into Wolves into Wolves Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Are we playing nobody? Are we ever gonna beat a

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Speaker 1: team with a winning record? That's all I ask. We have.

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Speaker 1: Every one of our victories has come against teams with

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Speaker 1: losing records, and every one of our losses, I think

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Speaker 1: A lots of Vikings conversation today the post mortem is

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Speaker 1: in session. The therapy session is in session, however you

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Speaker 1: want to refer to it. Vikings talking points will be

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Speaker 1: part of the equation today. Monday regulars include Adam Feeling

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Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hour, John Athletic at four

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Speaker 1: to the Monday lineup today is Chris Carter. He's going

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Speaker 1: a five two appearance. Kind of made his presence known

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Speaker 1: and felt via X in the wake of the Viking's

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Speaker 1: most recent setback and the Josh Freeman like performance from

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Speaker 1: the young quarterback JJ, we have to call on the

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Speaker 1: the quarterback during that interview? I don't, I didn't. The

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Speaker 1: I saw on tone. It's pretty good. I don't know

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Speaker 1: to have to ask him the obvious question at some point,

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Speaker 1: old enough to remember the Josh Freeman game? Oh yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I remember watching me Cabo. I remember it like yesterday,

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Speaker 1: It was a Monday nighter. It was October twenty two

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Speaker 1: He wasn't brilliant at all. Did you hear what his

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Speaker 1: It was interesting. It's a different style. Our guy goes

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Speaker 1: a great guest lineup the rest of the way. Don't

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Speaker 2: happening consistently? And I think we all individually feel that, Like,

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00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 2: you know, we all come out of those games and

430
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: we all can't sleep at night. You know, we can

431
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 2: be coming on Monday morning, we all talk about manage

432
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: could sleep last night. I was thinking about this playoffs,

433
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 2: thinking about that play like wish I would have done

434
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: this I wish I would have done that better. We all,

435
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 2: you know, it's not easy for us as players, and

436
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 2: and is what helps you become successful in this league.

437
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 2: But you got to find a way to change that

438
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: quickly and find that momentum.

439
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: Well, you know, people will well, you know, look back

440
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: on the last scoring drive where things went so well

441
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: and JJ looked more settled, and say, well, wait a minute,

442
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: why can't we run hurry up all the time. Maybe

443
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: in those situations the game is simplified, Maybe he doesn't

444
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: have as many things to call, or there aren't as

445
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: many choices, or it becomes a little easier for him

446
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: to succeed. Coaches are asked that all the time about

447
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: well just keep going hurry up. You know, dude, do

448
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: that the whole game. I assume you tell us it's

449
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: not quite that simple. But is there something to be

450
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: gained from that? I mean, is there something about that

451
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: situation that can be capitalized on, Whether it is simplifying

452
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: or changing whatever reads decisions that JJ has to make

453
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage, or does that have nothing

454
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: to do with it. He just made more accurate throws.

455
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: I think there's I think there's two sides of it, right,

456
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: I think there is Yeah, there's there's truth and everything, right,

457
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: I think there is truth to say, yeah, there was

458
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: in all in all aspects, I think things were just

459
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: clicking a little faster. There was less thinking. There was

460
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: a little bit of pace in and out of the huddle.

461
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: Obviously not even getting in a huddle, so there was

462
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: a little just bit of pace to the energy. I

463
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: also believe there a side of it is but we're

464
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: also earning first downs, which is kind of where where

465
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: we've struggled really all year is just giving us more plays.

466
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: You know, we got to get those first first downs

467
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: just to give us an opportunity to get more plays,

468
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: to allow us to have the opportunity to get explosives.

469
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: And so I think, yeah, I think I think we

470
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: You always come out of games as an individual learning

471
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: something that you could use the next week to get better.

472
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 2: And I think as coaches they every week they kind

473
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: of grab stuff from the game that you do really

474
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: well and say, okay, we can we can build off

475
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: that and we can use that. Especially with a young quarterback,

476
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: right they don't know him very well. There's not there

477
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: hasn't been a ton of games that they've been able

478
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: to evaluate to say, Okay, he's really good at this,

479
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 2: or or he's really you know, more comfortable doing this.

480
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: Like there we're all kind of learning together. What what

481
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: this twenty twenty five Minnesota offense is going to be

482
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: good at? And I think again, we'll we'll definitely take

483
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: some things. And but you also, it doesn't make an

484
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: excuse for you know, we also got to execute better

485
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: when when we're not in hurry up. It's not realistic

486
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: to just go hurry up entire game. That's just not

487
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: how it works. So I think I think we'll be

488
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: able to use some of that to our advantage in

489
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: the future.

490
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: You've obviously been around a long time and so you've

491
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: you've worked with a lot of quarterbacks and a lot

492
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: of different personalities. Do you have any theories for when

493
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: the ball's going, you know, twenty yards over's head?

494
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: Is that?

495
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: Is that a little bit of hyperventilation?

496
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: Is it?

497
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, I've just made three nots of good

498
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: plays and now I'm trying to be too perfect and

499
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm still too jacked up? Or what do you think?

500
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: What's your best you know, opinion, educated opinion as a

501
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: guy who's around him and been around a lot of

502
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to try to get a better handle on what's

503
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: happening when the ball's going wild for him.

504
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: Well, I think if you look at really any position

505
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: and you look at when guys are kind of in

506
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: the flow or not in the flow, I think it

507
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: all comes down to momentum, right, Like, like you make

508
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: a couple of good plays and like all of a sudden,

509
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: like you can't miss right because you're in this like

510
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: flow state because there's so much confidence and like you're

511
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: feeling it, you're seeing it, and things are going well, right,

512
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: I think when you're getting those games, and I kind

513
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: of talked to a few guys today, it's like sometimes

514
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: you get in these games and like nothing's going right.

515
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: You know, like you maybe you maybe miss one here,

516
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: or or maybe a guy drops one here, and and

517
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 2: there's just like just's just it's you're almost like just

518
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: trying to claw and dig and try to get out

519
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: of this hole, and you end up just digging your

520
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: hole even deeper. Uh. I've been there personally, where you

521
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: you make a couple of bad plays early you maybe

522
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: you drop ball or you ran run a bad route,

523
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: and and you feel like you're just trying to dig

524
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 2: out this hole and you press a little bit and

525
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: and you end up, you know, actually hurting yourself because

526
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: you're like you're trying to do too much. Right. I'm

527
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: not saying that necessarily the case, but from my personal

528
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: experience of my own game that that definitely has been

529
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: the case in the past. So yeah, you just got

530
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: to find a way to just go back to the

531
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: simple things. And it's a lot easier said than done,

532
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: but just kind of go back to, Okay, my footwork,

533
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: my timing, my eyes, you know what, what is my

534
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: read on this play? You know, that's that's really where

535
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: I've had experiences like you just go back to like, hey,

536
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: like I have a five step route here, I got

537
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: third outside, I got I gotta line up with my

538
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: left foot up, I gotta be a plus two splits.

539
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: Like you just go back to those little little details

540
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: and then you make a play boom. Now you make

541
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: another play boom. Now you're kind of in this back

542
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: into this rhythm and momentum on your side.

543
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: Well, I would assume too, human nature being what it

544
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: is that it is. If the quarterback is pressing because

545
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: he's got some accuracy issues, then I think receivers same way,

546
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: where Okay, I gotta make this catch. We got to

547
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: get one of those first sounds that you were talking about,

548
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: and it may be more likely that then, you know,

549
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: you don't hold onto a ball. You had one that

550
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: I thought ordinarily you get. I didn't think it was

551
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: the easiest catch, but I thought it was a catch

552
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: you usually make. I know JJ had one. There were

553
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: several where I thought there were several drops in addition

554
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: to two accuracy issues. So can one thing actually compound

555
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: the other where whether you're a more veteran player or not,

556
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: that everything seems, you know, almost magnified if an offense

557
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: is just not going very good.

558
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's kind of you know where we're

559
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: at in the season, where we're at in that game

560
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: that like there wasn't any room for air, Right, you

561
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: kind of set yourself up for that by the way

562
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: that you played in a game or the way that

563
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: the season is gone. You kind of set yourself up

564
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: for this kind of this spot where like there's there's

565
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: just minimal room for air. And does that mean that

566
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: the season's over? Absolutely not. Does that mean the game's over? No,

567
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're you're backed up against the wall, there's

568
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: there's not you know, one one little minute thing is amplified.

569
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: And that's not just in a game setting, but also

570
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: in a season. So yeah, I think that's but that's

571
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: not always a bad thing, right That that makes you

572
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: have to prepare a little bit harder, right because you

573
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: know how every play could matter in the grand scheme

574
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: of things, and and that one play might dig you

575
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: out of that hole as a as an offense and

576
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: might and might create the kind of spark you need

577
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: to have. That last drive that we had, you know,

578
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: there was a couple I think plays in that drive

579
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: that you say, man, you know TJ runs a great

580
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: choice route and maybe had fifteen twenty our games like

581
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: maybe that play right there just like allowed us to

582
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: go down and score. And you never know when that

583
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: play is going to be. So when you know that

584
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: and your backs against the wall, when you prepare, you're like,

585
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: you know, a little maybe a little extra communication on

586
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: a Wednesday to JJ or or him to us as

587
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: receivers that say, hey, I'm thinking this, you know, against

588
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: this coverage. And I think it's those things that you

589
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: don't really think about until your backs up against the

590
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: wall and can really help propel you to have success

591
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: the next week and hopefully continuing forward.

592
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: You know, to this point, it seems as if McCarthy,

593
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, the JJ saying all the right things before

594
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: games and after games, and he did take a lot

595
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: of accountability for his performance in this last game. But again,

596
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: as a veteran guy, there's always I think, got to

597
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: be the concern, particularly given the focus of the position

598
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: of even a confident player or getting beaten down a

599
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: little bit, whether he's even acknowledging it publicly or not,

600
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: that there's a mental side to this game. Do you

601
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: worry about that at all with him? Do you sense

602
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: any of that? And is that something you ever would

603
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: talk to him about?

604
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: You know, and even I would even take it further.

605
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: I think I think us as athletes to get to

606
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: this spot, you're extremely hard on yourself, right without any

607
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: media or fans, and and just like you said, the

608
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: attention on us as players, but more simply as quarterbacks,

609
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: we already put a lot of pressure on ourselves. You know,

610
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: Like I can't sleep last night because I'm thinking about

611
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: that player you're talking about, man, Like what could have

612
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: I done to make sure I make that player to

613
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: help him out. You know, it's it's that that pressure

614
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: you put on yourself that really ultimately drives you to

615
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: come back Wednesday and be more prepared and detailed. But

616
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: I will say about jaj is is he's he's the

617
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: guy that can handle it, right. That's why they draft

618
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: him so high because of what they saw in college.

619
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: To be able to handle adversity, to be able to

620
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: play in big games, to be able to find a

621
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: way to be as best when his best is required.

622
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: And we see that we can day in day out

623
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: with him. Is he's got He's got a great mindset.

624
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: He's got a really unique ability to just kind of

625
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: flush what's happened, to be able to refocus each week,

626
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: each each play. You know, Uh, if if he was

627
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: mentally weak, or if he couldn't handle this game and

628
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: how scrutinized that position and if he couldn't handle that,

629
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have had that last drive he did uh

630
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: in the game. And so those are the those are

631
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: the things that give you confidence and a guy and

632
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: and we, like I said, we feel that every single

633
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: day that his mentality, his attitude, his effort. He's also

634
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 2: a young guy, right, I think so, uh that also

635
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: is to his benefit because when you're young, you kind

636
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: of just show up and and you find a way

637
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: to get better, and and you don't really think about

638
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: the big picture. You just you just folk you just

639
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: live in the moment. And that's a great, great trait to.

640
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: Have you stay in the division. Uh this so another

641
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: division game?

642
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: Uh?

643
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: Do you do you like division games? I mean, do

644
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: you is there is there some is there a little

645
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: bit of extra juice? Obviously you got a lot on

646
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: the line. You guys got to start winning some games

647
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: no matter who you're playing. But generally speaking, you know

648
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: this division obviously very well. Is it a little Is

649
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: there a little extra juice for for that? You do

650
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: you revel in these games against other teams within the division,

651
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: especially the Packers and Bears?

652
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I think I think you know, first of all,

653
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: every game is important this league. But then when you

654
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: play these division opponents and how much that means for

655
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: your opportunity to make the playoffs. Uh, you know, you

656
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: know that these games are even bigger than just a

657
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: normal regular season game. And then when you're playing a

658
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: division arrival, right, like, like no one in this state

659
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: likes the agreement Packers, and we feel that as players,

660
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: even if you're not from the state of Minnesota, you

661
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: still feel that from the fans and you know the

662
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: sense of urgency that we're at in the season, and yeah,

663
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: it's exciting to be able to go on the road

664
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: and play a divisional opponent. It's a really good football team.

665
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: I think when you play in this league and you

666
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: know you're playing a good football team, you know you're

667
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: playing a really good defense, it kind of gives you

668
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: a little extra motivation to go out there and prepare

669
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: it in a way that is different than than any

670
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: other week to that you're ready and locked in to

671
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: give your best effort to show show that you are

672
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: a team that can beat those teams and excited about

673
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: that opportunity to go back to work and do that.

674
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite road ballpark stadium that you

675
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: love playing in, whether it's the atmosphere or whatever that

676
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: you just that you love, you you think is a

677
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: cut above the rest of them.

678
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I think you know, Lambo

679
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: is one of those that you just kind of the

680
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: history just kind of growing up and and even if

681
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 2: you're not from this rivalry from these states around here.

682
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: You still know about Lambeau Field, the history and and

683
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: all that's talked about, the foes, frozen tundra, like everybody

684
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 2: knows about Lambeau feel. I think it's a really special

685
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: place to play and never never take that opportunity for granted.

686
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: For sure, you know, there's a couple of others. Seattle

687
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: I think is a really cool place to play. Just

688
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 2: the atmosphere, the energy of that stadium, kind of that

689
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: that twelfth Man. You know, it's it's a really unique

690
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: place to play in a unique environment. But yeah, I

691
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: think Green Bay is definitely one of those places that

692
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: you look forward to play in every year, and this

693
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: week pretty cool. My family gets to enjoy it for

694
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: the first time. My kids have never been there, and

695
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: they get nice seek so.

696
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: Excited about that for them, that's outstanding. Well, the word

697
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: seems to be the rep I think the reputation that

698
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: Packers fans have when they're hosting Lambeau is slightly more

699
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: civil than Eagles fans, right, even though there's great hatred

700
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: obviously between the two fan bases. I say, most people

701
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: I've talked to Vikings fans who go say, yeah, there's

702
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: some stuff that goes on, but it ain't exactly like

703
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: you got to worry about maybe you know, a shive

704
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 1: in the ribs like when you go to eat games.

705
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: So that probably is a little comforting too, even if

706
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: it's an enemy territory in Green.

707
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: Bay, that is for sure. Yeah, they're they're they're a

708
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: great fan base, obviously, very passionate and very competitive. My

709
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 2: my father in law is a die hard Packer fan,

710
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: so so I I get I understand a little bit

711
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: more of of what those Packer fans are really like

712
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: watching him watch games on Sundays every once in a while.

713
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: And uh, but yeah, no, it's it's they're a great

714
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: fan base obviously Midwest, Midwest people. Uh, for the most part,

715
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: they're they're they're they're really uh considerate fan bases, and

716
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: I think they really enjoy kind of showing off their

717
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 2: stadium and their atmosphere and and and welcoming the away fans.

718
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: But it is fun to be able to quiet them

719
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: down a little bit when when when things are going

720
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: well and you're able to have successive success of that

721
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: place that not a lot of teams have. So that's

722
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: a that's a great challenge.

723
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: Thanks Adam, good luck against the packers will check next week.

724
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: Appreciate you all right, Thanks, good talking to you.

725
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: Adam feeling Viking's wide receiver very clearly disappointed with the

726
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: result again yesterday as the Vikings fall. Now a couple

727
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: games under the five hundred mark. Johnny Athletics going to

728
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: join at the top of the hour. Chris Carter speaking

729
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: of Vikings receivers is scheduled for five oh two today.

730
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: We'll have Nacho, shortened version of Nacho probably about oh

731
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: four forty five for forty seven or so. We got

732
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: a lot of Vikings talking points that will include into

733
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: the mix as well. The brat Shawn Brian Cafe in

734
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: text line, you'll not be surprised to learn is hot

735
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: today at six four six eighty six. It tends to

736
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: work that way, more so after losses than after victories,

737
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: because everybody has the answer. I will say, I got

738
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: to get your reaction to this. Uh textra guy, This

739
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: is from Alan Plymouth. See what he believes that Feelin

740
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: has boxed us up unwittingly. Okay, I'm listening. Damn. Thelan

741
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: just nailed it. Listen to him speak about fundamentals and

742
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: that's what THELAN was talking about in terms of receivers,

743
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: the little you know, the little things you have to

744
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: do that you do have to Even if you're the technique,

745
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: a magnificent professional with a great career at wide receiver,

746
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: you still have to pay attention to techniques. So maybe

747
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: we're boxed. I don't know. I would say the frequency

748
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: with which we've had to listen to that sort of

749
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: word salad is not helpful, especially I think when it's

750
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: coupled with well, he's, you know, the toughest guy in

751
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: the world, and and he's a great leader. And as

752
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: I said, that all may end up being true, but

753
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: you got to have more in the plate. You gotta

754
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: have more in the resume before you anoint yourself nine

755
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: or you go down several of those roads. I would say,

756
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: I will add quickly, by the way, do we have

757
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: I forgot my talking points list? Do we have a

758
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: talking point on the kickoff return that ultimately turned the game?

759
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: Did you do kind of that was the inn in

760
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: the angle, the ecstasy in the agony, the ecstasy in

761
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: the agony? How long is it?

762
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: Four?

763
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: All right? Then maybe we'll hold onto it. What I

764
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: was going to say is you can put me firmly

765
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: in the category of a snarky one who does not

766
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: believe the Vikings screwed up not kicking the ball deep.

767
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: I had no problem with the decision. It was a

768
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: very good kickoff. It was to the far side in

769
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: the corner. Yeah, to the one or two yard line.

770
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: And given the circumstances, it's easy to say, now, well, yeah,

771
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: well they're going to go to sixty five yard return.

772
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: Whatever it was, Yeah, just kicking the end zone. But

773
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: obviously we don't know that's what's going to happen. And

774
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: I would say again if Vike, if the Bears needed

775
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: a touchdown, I might accept that premise. The fact is

776
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: they needed a field goal to win, not just to

777
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: tie the game, to win the game. I don't put

778
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: them at the thirty five. So ten out of ten

779
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: times I do exactly what the Vikings did. Now, obviously

780
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: it's got to be, you know, defended better problem. But

781
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: I was not in the group that said we screwed

782
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: up kick the ball deep, play defense because your defense

783
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: had played better. It looked like the the Bears were

784
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: reeling a little bit, looked like Caleb was frustrated a

785
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: little bit. But I would still ten out of ten

786
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: times I'm kicking the ball in that situation. I liked

787
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: what Koc said. I think today that our kickoff coverage

788
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: unit has been very good. Yes, they've been very good,

789
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: and honestly, they deserved an opportunity to go make that play.

790
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: And he said, a couple of they're always young guys.

791
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: A couple of young guys got out of their lanes

792
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: a little bit, got over their skis. Well, probably wanted

793
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: to blow somebody up at the fifteen right and have

794
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: us Bank Stadium go crazy. And that's what allowed him

795
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: to just sneak out the right side and basically take

796
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: it sixty five yards. So that one didn't bother me either, because,

797
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: like you said, it's fifty seconds, which is an eternity.

798
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: Three timeouts, three timeouts. And we have another talking point

799
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: by Federated talking about Caleb Williams. You haven't gotten him

800
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: on the ground. You got him on the ground once

801
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: all day, Like he can eat up fifteen yards in

802
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: three seconds, right if he just drops back and runs.

803
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: So and even though their kicker had missed one from

804
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: I think forty four, it's really hard to count on

805
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: that again that we saw it, he almost missed it.

806
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: It was close. I almost up right there that there

807
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: was something religious, because that ball was heading left and

808
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: it almost felt like Augusta Wynn pushed it back right.

809
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be no good again?

810
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: Or was it the skycam? Did it hit the skycam?

811
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: This time? It got sent went the other way? Was

812
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: there a skycam? Holerson's got to check the video get

813
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: in by much? I know it did not get in

814
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: by much. And it was like the other The other

815
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: one was wide left and it was headed in that

816
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: direction as well. But all's well, that ends poorly. Well,

817
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: make this the top of the hour break. We'll get

818
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: Johnny Athletic on the Purple. We'll get Johnny Athletic on

819
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: the Wolves, who are indeed back in action tonight on

820
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: the fan correct against Dallas, against the Dallas Mavericks who've

821
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: got a new general manager. Well, actually I don't know

822
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: if they have an acting one. They got about seven

823
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: players I'm not exaggerating in street clothes, yeah, including street

824
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: clothes himself. Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis as Charles Barkley has

825
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: anointed him. Kyrie's out, Kyrie. It's Cooper Flagg's playing. Apparently

826
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: Cooper flag is playing point guard. Or at least they

827
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: were trying to play them at point guard as well.

828
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: So we'll get in all of that and who knows

829
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: what else with our guy Johnny Chris Carter in about

830
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: an hour. Stay tuned,