1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Hike Sincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati, sponsored in 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: part by Cimcy Shirts, Cincy Shirts, all Cincy, all day. 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station. 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: Here we go our number two Cincy three sixty, each 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: and every Thursday. Right here at one o'clock, we have 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: a chance to talk to our guy covering the Bengals 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: from ada z E Sports. It's John Shearon joining us 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: right now. John, what's going on? 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 3: How are you? 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 4: I'm doing well, Tony. I know that you had a 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 4: decent weekend as well. 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 5: I saw that nice you see custom suit ef someone close, 13 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 5: someone close to me who is also a really big 14 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 5: Bakers fan. She wanted me to tell you, quote in 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 5: a very positive way, Tony, your suit bleeping bleeps again 16 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 5: in a positive way so you can put together what 17 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 5: the bleeps are there. 18 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: But well, thank you. I appreciate that. Let's try to 19 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: sift through here. What's going on with the Cincinnati Bengals here, John, 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball. I read a stat earlier. 21 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: Through two hundred and twelve, combined pass rush attempts Shamar Stewart, 22 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: Miles Murphy have combined for zero hits on opposing quarterbacks. 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: These guys were both drafted to be the next in line, 24 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: whether it's Sam Hubbard, whether it's Trey Hendrickson. The failures 25 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: in the draft, and you could look the defensive line, 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: you could look anywhere else in the defense, the failures 27 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: to draft successfully. How far is it putting this defense 28 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: behind going forward? 29 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 5: Pretty damn far to the point where we're seeing mock 30 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 5: drafts now where the Bengals are drafting more edge rushers. 31 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 5: It's been two in the last three years, primarily with 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 5: the hope of replacing and then complementing Trey Hendrickson. The 33 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 5: difference is Trey Hendrickson knows what he's doing with his hands. 34 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 5: He knows what he's doing at the snap. He knows 35 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 5: how to beat the offensive tackles at the snap, he 36 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 5: knows what leverage to uses, he knows how to process 37 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 5: a plan. And the guys in the building that they 38 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 5: have they don't do that right. Miles Murphy and Shamar 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 5: Stewart are balls of energy in terms of getting off 40 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 5: the ball and exploding, but once they get to the 41 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 5: point of attack, they don't know what to do. 42 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 4: And that is a hard thing to learn. 43 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 5: Once you're finally in the NFL, and it comes down 44 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 5: to can these guys do this in college? 45 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 4: Are they actually winning? Are they be asked to do 46 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 4: this in college? 47 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 5: Right? 48 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 4: And it's it's a question of evaluation. 49 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 5: It's a question of what are they looking at when 50 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 5: they're scouting these guys and are they asking them to 51 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 5: do things that they've never been capable of doing before 52 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 5: at this level. So, yes, it's one hundred percent putting 53 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 5: them back in. Obviously, it's not just on the edges, right, 54 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: the guys in the interior and BJ Hills basically the 55 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 5: only one who's winning as a pass rusher, and he's 56 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 5: on the back half of his career. So this defense 57 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 5: is so hard to it's hard to do anything once 58 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 5: you when you don't have any disruption up front. It 59 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 5: makes the lives of the linebackers and the secondary guys 60 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 5: a lot harder because they're just having to cover and 61 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 5: move around at a longer time because the ball is 62 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 5: just like the quarterbacks just buying time in the pocket, 63 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 5: and Justin Fields can just do whatever he wants back 64 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 5: there because he's not being pressured. 65 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: I viewed Sunday's loss to the Jets as the worst 66 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: loss in the Zach Taylor era based on what the 67 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: Jets were oh and seven and Justin Fields had been 68 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: publicly humiliated. They didn't have their top two wide receivers, 69 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: one of them being Garrett Wilson. They didn't have Sauce Gardner. 70 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: We oftentimes on this show divvy out the wheel of blame, 71 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: and if you get the pie chart in front of you, 72 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: you could talk about Al Golden. You can also talk 73 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: about players being in position and just missing a bunch 74 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: of tackles. Anyone missed tackles on the season. You can 75 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 2: talk about the head coach and Zach Taylor. You can 76 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: also look at the player choices that they brought in 77 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: and looked to Duke Tobin. So if you were assigning 78 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: blame to this roster and this coaching staff, how would 79 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: you assign that and who would get the biggest proportion 80 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: of the blame. 81 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 4: I think we have to look at the top first. 82 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 5: It's about who's building this roster again, like how are 83 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 5: they identifying how to fill these holes and in the 84 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 5: way that they're doing it right? 85 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 4: I think. 86 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 5: And we can talk all day about Duke Tobin and 87 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 5: about the Sky department everything like that, and it ends 88 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 5: up being just a pointless conversation because those guys have 89 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 5: a different level of job security than anyone else. 90 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 4: I look at it like this, though. 91 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 5: Last year Zach Taylor got a pass because the defense 92 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 5: basically took them out of so many games and basically 93 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 5: cast them the playoffs. And then they said, Okay, you 94 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 5: know you're gonna stay around and we're going to hire 95 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 5: your next door neighbor as defensive coordinator because he's been 96 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 5: in the building before and he knows had to get 97 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 5: the most of the young players. And they basically did 98 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 5: nothing to the rest of the defense. They just got 99 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 5: a new coaching staff and the defense is worse. So 100 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 5: you can't go back and just rehire more, you know, 101 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 5: just change up the coaches have again on defense. It 102 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 5: has to be looked at, Okay, what is the one 103 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 5: thing we didn't change. If this defense is worse than 104 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 5: it was last year and the head coach got a 105 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 5: pass at some point, that that's why, like the I 106 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 5: think the target is now on the head coach because 107 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 5: if nothing changes, then then what are we doing here? 108 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 5: So yes, it comes down to the fact that this 109 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 5: roster was not tinkered with enough, and they weren't enough 110 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 5: changes made personnel wise on defense, and they were trusting 111 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 5: in developing guys that just ultimately weren't really worthy of 112 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 5: playing last year. And I think that's a credit to 113 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 5: lu and Rimo kind of realizing that. But unfortunately the 114 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 5: guys he was playing also weren't good. Right, So it's 115 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 5: gone from bad to work and you can identify that 116 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 5: the people building this roster are mostly to blame. But 117 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 5: in terms of who can actually take accountability here, I 118 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 5: think it comes down to the fact that they tried 119 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 5: a play with this defense that failed miserably, and it 120 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 5: Walla is left to do is just look at what. 121 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 4: You didn't change last year, which is probably the head 122 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 4: coach on. 123 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: The defensive side of the ball. Tuesday is the trade deadline. 124 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: Are you in the camp that this team should look 125 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: to move on from some players to recoup assets. Are 126 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: you thinking that they should say, hey, the AFC North 127 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: is down right now, we can still make a run 128 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: at this. Do you view this team being active in 129 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: either way come trade deadline? 130 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 4: Not necessarily. 131 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 5: I think they would be kicking themselves so that they 132 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 5: weren't at least looking at any sort of pass. Rusher 133 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 5: Keon White from the Patriots made a lot of sense 134 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 5: for just a late round pick swap that the San 135 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 5: Francisco forty nine ers successfully jumped on, that would have 136 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 5: been very helpful because he. 137 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 4: Probably would have been their best interior pass rushers. 138 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 5: So anybody like that who's kind of viewed as not 139 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 5: reverally valuable on their current team that can be had 140 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 5: for another late round pick spot like that would definitely 141 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 5: benefit them. 142 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 4: I'm still questioning why what the plan is. 143 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 5: With Logan Wilson If he's just a really expensive backup 144 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 5: at this point, he's now dealing with the cap injury, 145 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 5: that's probably not gonna help his value overall. But you know, 146 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 5: there could be some suitors out out there for him 147 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 5: at this point. Try to have any sort of spark 148 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 5: in terms of a pass us that could be the 149 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 5: one thing that can potentially turn this defense around. Other 150 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 5: than that, though, they don't have a lot of guys 151 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 5: on their team aside from Wilson and obviously Trede Henderson, 152 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 5: that have a lot of trade value that they could 153 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 5: even get at at this point, Like that's just that's 154 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 5: the fact of the matter. With a bad team without 155 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 5: a lot of talent and a lot of guys that 156 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 5: just aren't really attracted from the likes of the rest 157 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 5: of the league, so it's hard for them to be 158 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 5: sellers when they don't have a lot of things to sell. 159 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 5: But Logan Wilson probably makes the most sense. But I 160 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 5: just don't know if they're gonna hold on to him 161 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 5: or not. 162 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: I feel like they're gonna find a way to try 163 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: to manage the pain for Joe Flacco and get him 164 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: out there on Sunday if he's not able to go. 165 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: Is there anything that Jake Browning can do to learn 166 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: from what Joe Flacco has been able to do, and 167 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 2: in turn, maybe Zach Taylor can also incorporate with Jake 168 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: Browning that would allow them to continue to have success 169 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: in running the ball. 170 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a lot of the under center concepts 171 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 5: that Flacco has been doing really well with that is 172 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 5: kind of boosted the run game because once you have 173 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 5: the threat of defense is having to be okay like 174 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 5: the under center. 175 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 4: But we don't know if it's gonna be runner pass right. 176 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 5: For so long when when the Bengals were under center, 177 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 5: they would always run the ball, but Flaco has that 178 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 5: comfortability to turn his back to the defense and get 179 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 5: the ball out on time and that's been I think, 180 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 5: really valuable for this offense. 181 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 4: And I think that can in. 182 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 5: Turn allow Brownie to play a little bit more calm 183 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 5: and poised, and I think that has been what was 184 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 5: lost from the last time that he was out there 185 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 5: to the back to the previous three weeks where he 186 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 5: was this season when he was pressing too much and 187 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 5: he was just making bad decisions. That hasn't been the 188 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 5: case of Flat But I don't think Flaco has been 189 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 5: necessarily that much. 190 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,119 Speaker 4: More accurate compared to Browning. 191 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 5: The balls is getting out quicker, and therefore the windows 192 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 5: are there for him to hit these targets. So there's 193 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 5: been a lot of teach tape I think for Flacco 194 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 5: to give to Brownie if he does have to play 195 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 5: out there. But it's up to Browning to play, you know, calm, 196 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 5: cool and collected, because he just wasn't. And that's where 197 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 5: all the stakes are being made. 198 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 3: Why do you think that Andre Joshavash has struggled this 199 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: season and do you think we'll see more Mitch Tensley 200 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: in his place? 201 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 4: I think Tensley is an interesting variable. 202 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 5: I think with Yoshi it's always been about like what 203 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 5: his ceiling actually is. And I think in terms of 204 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 5: being a role player, in terms of being an ancillary weapons, 205 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 5: some of them you can go to a couple times 206 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 5: a game. That's always been fine. But I think in 207 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 5: terms of where he's being aligned, the fact that he's 208 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 5: not really getting off the line in a quick manner, 209 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 5: like he had some problems against press against the Jets, 210 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 5: and I think part of that is also kind of 211 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 5: leading into his concentration issues as well. 212 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 4: Perhaps there's parts about his role. 213 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 5: That he's not really adapt to doing it, and that's 214 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 5: where you know, he's kind of getting into his head 215 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 5: a little bit too much. But someone that I think 216 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 5: has already exceeded expectations as a player, is a six 217 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 5: round pick, and maybe we put a little bit too 218 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 5: much on his plate in terms of what we expect 219 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 5: him to do. But obviously there's only so much you 220 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 5: can do when t against Jamaar Chaser also your teammates, 221 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 5: or you're never going to be the focal point of 222 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 5: that of the passing game in that regard. So I 223 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 5: think this is just a young player kind of going 224 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 5: through something. But at the same time, the expectations for 225 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 5: him being anything more than just you know, the ancillary guy, 226 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 5: like the number three at most, like that was always 227 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 5: going to be kind of far fetched. 228 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 4: So he's kind of just riding that line right now. 229 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, he wasn't supposed to 230 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: be the ancillary guy I'm to I met Jermaine Burton. 231 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: I mean, Yoshi was a six round pick. Burton was 232 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: a third round pick. If he's not going to be 233 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: utilized in any sense when the team is going through 234 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: these struggles, does does his role just evaporate? It time 235 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: to completely move on from Jermaine Burton. 236 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 5: I mean at this point, he's just kind of there, 237 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 5: right And I don't know what sort of trade value 238 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 5: that you would get from a guy that just doesn't play, 239 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 5: who's also been kind of you know, xed out by 240 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 5: a lot of teams already two years ago in the 241 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 5: draft process, right, So I think he is just right 242 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 5: now an emergency option which they have in which they 243 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 5: could have, like, you know, no other alternatives what to 244 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 5: look for him, And I think what's not troubling, but 245 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 5: we just don't really know what's going on behind the scenes, 246 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 5: what's going on in practice, if he's making any sort 247 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 5: of progress, because he's not really been given a chance 248 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 5: to prove if there has been any progress made, right, So, 249 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 5: I think they don't, do you necessarily like the receiver 250 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 5: room as a problem right now with Haitld, Chase and 251 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 5: Higgins are playing, and I think if they have to 252 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 5: turn to some of those guys that they would intendally 253 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 5: would probably be the first guy that would get that 254 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 5: next chance. But you're right, like at a certain point, 255 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 5: like if Burton isn't just if he's just collecting dust 256 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 5: out there, it's a wonder why he's still kind of here, 257 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 5: and maybe like the clock is ticking at that point. 258 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: The Bengals let Mike Panell go and he subsequently went 259 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 3: back to the Kansas City Chiefs. What do you expect, 260 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: I guess McKinley Jackson, is he going to be the 261 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: next guy up? And how do you kind of expect 262 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 3: the rotation to shake out on the interior of that 263 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: defensive line. You mentioned bj Hill being the only guy 264 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: who's really winning. Do you think they'll continue to just 265 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 3: rotate guys until they find something. 266 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, Hill and Slay they're still gonna be your starters 267 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 5: with Jenkins as your third. And it was evident that 268 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 5: before the season they tried to get Jordan Jefferson off 269 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 5: of waivers, and they were just behind the waiver order, 270 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 5: and then when he was finally waved a few weeks ago, 271 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 5: they picked him up and he's been active, I think 272 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 5: just a couple of times here. So he's just a 273 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 5: big body, nose tackle kind of like what they envisioned 274 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 5: McKinley Jackson could be. So I would imagine Jefferson takes 275 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 5: the role of Panel, which is about being fifteen to 276 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 5: twenty snaps a game as defensive tackle number four. It's 277 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 5: just like when Kayley Jackson again, like a third round 278 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 5: pick who's just not really playing, and I think it's 279 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 5: kind of just less a square in around a hole 280 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 5: at this point. So like injuries would have probably dictated, 281 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 5: I fee gets an increase in playing time. 282 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 4: But it was evident that how much they wanted. 283 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 5: Jefferson two months ago, the fact that they finally have 284 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 5: him now, the fact that they probably didn't want to 285 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 5: release Mike Panell, but Panell requested that release, and they said, Okay, like, 286 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 5: you know, we'll honor this because you know, you've done 287 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 5: well for us the last eight weeks and we have 288 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 5: a guy that we feel like we can replace you. 289 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 4: With in Jefferson. So that is what I expect the 290 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: plan to be. 291 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 5: But it wouldn't surprise me if maybe Jackson, you know 292 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 5: how placesment practice, maybe gets a chance. 293 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 4: Here and there. 294 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 2: John, With all this being said, if you find a 295 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 2: way to beat the Bears on Sunday, do you feel 296 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: like the season still has hope going into the bye week? 297 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: And really no one in the AFC North is running 298 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: away with things? Is this the game that either probably 299 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: puts a final stake in or if they win it, 300 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: do they they find hope going forward and into the bye. 301 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 5: I look at the next month and how tough that's 302 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 5: probably gonna be. And I mean now the Patriots are 303 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 5: looking like a team that's probably clear going to be 304 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 5: clear favorites over the Bengals. And there's a game against Steelers. 305 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 5: There's a game against you presume to be a healthy 306 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson. So the Bears, who are around five hundred, 307 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 5: but there's a lot of you know, volatility there with 308 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 5: Caleb Williams and their defense. It's another game where they 309 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 5: just really have to win. 310 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 4: Right. 311 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 5: If they do win, I think there's like a glimmer 312 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 5: of hope alive because you're just a game back from 313 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 5: five hundred and in a very week AFC, in a 314 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 5: very week AFC North, And if they lose, it just 315 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 5: probably confirms what we think about the team, which is 316 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 5: just they're not ready to compete. They don't have the 317 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 5: roster quite necessarily, but you look at some of the 318 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 5: games earlier in this season where they just found ways 319 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 5: to win, and you wonder if that is still possible 320 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 5: after such a devastating loss. And I agree, I think 321 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 5: it is the worst loss in the Zach Taylor era 322 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 5: because of how they melted down, because of how you 323 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 5: realize how some of these problems are. Most of these 324 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 5: problems last year just trickled over into this year and 325 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 5: it just didn't do enough about it. So yeah, I 326 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 5: think they can find a way to be the Bears, 327 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 5: and they could keep again the slightest bit of hope 328 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 5: alive for the season because they've known to kind of 329 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 5: come back in November and December. But if they don't, man, 330 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 5: it's it's just gonna be this week only times a billion. 331 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 2: Before I let you go, John, the line opened in 332 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: some places at six and a half or seven. It's 333 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,479 Speaker 2: now jumped to ten and a half. Are Cincinnati Bearcats 334 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: on the road ten to fifteen Saturday night at Utah. 335 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: How much of a chance do you give the Bearcats 336 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 2: when seemingly those that are making the lines are not 337 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: giving them much of a chance at all. 338 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 4: Plenty of you saw it was tough. 339 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 5: I think the fact that there's a big spot in 340 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 5: this game, I think that puts a little bit more 341 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 5: into it as well. And you know, the fact that 342 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 5: like again, like you see is in the spot where 343 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 5: I think a lot of people didn't expect them to be. 344 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 5: And this could be where people think that, you know, 345 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 5: the the Cinderella story maybe potentially ends. But I think 346 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 5: there's been a lot that we've seen from swersby in 347 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 5: this offense and even from my guys Saturfield, right, So 348 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 5: there's been a lot of growth with this. 349 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: Team, and I think this can be a chance. 350 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 5: Where they just look at it and say, hey, people 351 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 5: are counting us out, and that's another reason to kind 352 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 5: of dig deep and find a way to win. So 353 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 5: I'm not terribly surprised that playing in the hostile environment 354 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 5: against the ring team, they're gonna be touchdown in a 355 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 5: half favorites or whatnot. But you know, I think I've 356 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 5: seen enough where this team can surprise and I wouldn't 357 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 5: be shocked at all if they pull out a victory 358 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 5: in this one. 359 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: Always always appreciate your time, John. What's the easiest way 360 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: folks can follow along with your coverage with as Sports? 361 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 5: Absolutely, you just said it right there, ad Is Sports 362 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 5: dot Com, back Slash Cincinnati. We're on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, 363 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 5: wherever he gets your short form content or ADZ Sports 364 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 5: and Sinnati he follow us there. 365 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: Awesome, John, you're the best, man. Thanks so much. We'll 366 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: talk next week. 367 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: Thanks Joe, Thanks Tony, Thanks Austin. 368 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: Here we go, John sharon a is he sports appreciative 369 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: of his time? 370 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: I asked him when I called him, I said, hey, John, 371 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: what do you know? He said everything? I said, Well, 372 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: I'm glad I got you today. He had an answer 373 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: for all he brought it. 374 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: He brought the A game today that hopefully our talkbackers 375 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: do the same. 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