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Speaker 2: Thanks to Penn Station. Thank you for listening. Get the

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Speaker 2: said you had some Elie day la Cruz news. I

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Speaker 2: can imagine that this is just the Red's pivoting, not

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Speaker 2: getting Kyle Schwarber, just signing Ellie to a massive deal.

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Speaker 5: No, it's it's not that. But Gordon Wittenmeyer, who of

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Speaker 5: course covers the Reds sometimes for Cincinnati dot Com, is

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Speaker 5: I believe at the MLB Winter meetings and at the

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Speaker 5: moment the World Baseball Classic teams are being announced. Well,

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Speaker 5: the manager for the Dominican Public, which is Ellie's home country,

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Speaker 5: is Albert Poolhols. Albert pool Holes, according to Gordon Wittenmeyer

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Speaker 5: said he talked to Ellie de la Cruz last night

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Speaker 5: and the Red shortstop is indeed committed to playing for

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Speaker 5: the Dominican Republic in the World Baseball Classic. Okay, so

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Speaker 5: something to keep an eye out on there. As far

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Speaker 5: as I know, he's the only Red that is going

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Speaker 5: to play. There might be one more, but Ellie de

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Speaker 5: la Cruz. According to Gordon Wittmeyer, Albert pool Hols is

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Speaker 5: going to play, although it hasn't been officially announced.

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Speaker 2: All right, if you missed it earlier. A couple of

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Speaker 2: things happening in Major League Baseball. Edwin Diaz, the All

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Speaker 2: Star closer for the Mets, is now a Los Angeles Dodger,

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Speaker 2: and Kyle Schwarber is back to the Philadelphia Phillies on

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Speaker 2: a five year, one hundred and fifty million dollar deal.

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Speaker 5: I did put a poll question up on Twitter at

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Speaker 5: Audie Elmore A U T y E L m O

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Speaker 5: r E if you want to go vote the Red's

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Speaker 5: pursuit of Kyle Schwarber was which of the following kicking

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Speaker 5: the tires, taking a test drive, or driving around the

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Speaker 5: lot right now? Forty nine percent say kicking the tires. Oh,

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Speaker 5: forty one percent say driving around the lot, and nine

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Speaker 5: percent say taking a test drive. I think it was

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Speaker 5: closer to taking a test drive. Mo chimed in. Most

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Speaker 5: said they took a look at the sticker.

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Speaker 2: Moe also said that he's adding a new item to

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Speaker 2: his muted words on social media.

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Speaker 5: Oh really, what's that league average defense? Why is he

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Speaker 5: ruins everything? What's wrong with that?

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Speaker 3: You just don't want to hear it anymore?

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Speaker 5: No, but like, what's the deal? I got to ask

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Speaker 5: him this?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to know his other ones?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Well I know someone Belichick girlfriend of course, Bengals cash problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk Fair, Kanye very fair, Mattress Mark Yes, Ruin

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Speaker 2: college basketball agreed, Ruin college football agreed, Nevada game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I have no beef with any of those except the

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Speaker 5: league average defense?

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Speaker 4: Why not?

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Speaker 2: They don't want to hear about anymore? Didn't want to

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Speaker 2: hear about these league average defense. All the Bengals need

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Speaker 5: Why can't average be a goal for someone who's well

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Speaker 5: below average? Just be average? It's the new motto. I mean,

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Speaker 5: are we getting a new banner in this studio? By

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Speaker 5: the way, I don't got time for banners. I got

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Speaker 5: a new laptop. I can't get it to print anything, man, Okay,

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Speaker 5: get it, I get it.

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Speaker 3: You know more than most.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, does your laptop still work? Do they deactivate it?

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Speaker 3: It was deactivated for quite some time. It was it

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Speaker 3: was useless it's rendered useless. I know that feeling. Uh,

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Speaker 3: what's up, John, how are you?

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Speaker 6: What do you guys? Working at the prins of gone.

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Speaker 3: Might as well be Wow.

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Speaker 6: I think as far as kicking the tires, the Reds

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Speaker 6: pretty much, you know, I mean, I know they were

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Speaker 6: kicking the tires, is what they are saying. Or they

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Speaker 6: were interested in Kyle s FORBA. But you know, of

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Speaker 6: course I'm interested in taking du a leap out for lunch.

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Speaker 6: But that's not gonna happen either, So we'll.

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Speaker 3: Do the best we can with that.

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Speaker 6: As far as Moe's league average defense, that's want to

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Speaker 6: run these numbers by you guys. In the last two seasons,

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Speaker 6: which is thirty games, the Bengals have scored thirty three

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Speaker 6: or more points and eleven of those games. In those

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Speaker 6: eleven games, they have four wins seven losses. That the

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Speaker 6: thirty six percent winning percentage when scoring thirty three or

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Speaker 6: more points. And it's happened Sunday in Buffalo. The rest

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Speaker 6: of the league the other thirty one teams, and they

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Speaker 6: scored thirty three more points, win ninety percent of their games.

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Speaker 6: If they had a league average defense, they would have

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Speaker 6: had five more wins over the last two years, would

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Speaker 6: have made the playoffs last year, it would probably in

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Speaker 6: control of winning the North this year. So a league

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Speaker 6: average defense would be very much welcome for this team.

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Speaker 6: And again it's it's just a curring problem to this

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Speaker 6: team that you know, score thirty four points and still

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Speaker 6: lose by five. I mean, heck, they lost forty They

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Speaker 6: scored forty two against the Bears and lost to them

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Speaker 6: forty seven forty two.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's no other way around it. That

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Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier.

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Speaker 2: In the nine losses, the defense is given up thirty

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Speaker 2: six point one points per game. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 2: that there's no other way around that. There's no other

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Speaker 6: And when you look at the defense, to me, I mean,

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Speaker 6: obviously you guys know more than I and so he's

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Speaker 6: played at a very high level. It seems like the

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Speaker 6: that's supposed to free up linebackers to make plays. They

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Speaker 6: don't have linebackers that can make plays. That's part seeing Yeah,

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Speaker 6: seven eight yard runs without anybody getting there.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem normally, and I think that was a

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Speaker 2: little bit around the idea of TJ. Slayton is saying, Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's get a guy that can occupy some blockers and

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Speaker 2: then let's let the linebackers play downhill. That that's the

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Speaker 2: ultimate goal. And I compared to UC when Dante Corleone

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Speaker 2: is healthy, it allows the linebackers of UC in a

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Speaker 2: three three five to be active when he's not in

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Speaker 2: and when the offensive line can get to the second level,

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Speaker 2: makes it a lot easier to run the ball. The

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Speaker 2: problem for the Bengals is I feel like a lot

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Speaker 2: of times the linebackers are able to run free and

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Speaker 2: they're still not able to do anything. And that is

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Speaker 2: a linebacker issue. I saw a stat yesterday that I

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Speaker 2: believe Orin Burks is the worst coverage linebacker in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Demetrius Knight as ranked by Pro Football Focus as the

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Speaker 2: worst graded linebacker in the NFL, and Barrett Carter gives

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Speaker 2: up the most yards per reception of any linebacker in

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Speaker 2: the NFL. That's not a good trio for the Bengals.

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Speaker 6: No other than that, how is the play? Missus Lincoln

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, when you really just look at

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Speaker 6: all that stuff, it's very disheightening because they did spend

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Speaker 6: some draft picks at linebacker, even a free agent at linebacker.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I know we were all thinking that

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Speaker 6: the Miami game was going to be very winnable. But

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Speaker 6: now you've got Miami's won just out of six. They're

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Speaker 6: running the ball better than any team in football. You

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Speaker 6: got Mike McDaniels, Say what you want about him. He

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Speaker 6: can scheme up the running game better than anyone. He

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Speaker 6: was the guy who steamed up the running game in

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Speaker 6: the twenty nineteen NFC Championship game for the forty Niners

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Speaker 6: against the Packers, who were coached by Jerry Montgomery on

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Speaker 6: the defensive line. So the Dolphins could run for three

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Speaker 6: hundred yards a week from now against the Bengals, and

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Speaker 6: you will go again with Joe Burrow having to put

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Speaker 6: up like thirty seven points to win the game. Just

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Speaker 6: it's just it's unfathomable. I mean, this defense is that bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, That to me is the most frustrating.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I said when we finished up our

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Speaker 2: number two, there's a path that Baltimore has to go

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Speaker 2: to and thwo the Pittsburgh s teamers had to go

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Speaker 2: one in three. We're also asking the Bengals to win

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Speaker 2: four games in a row, and they've won exactly four

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Speaker 2: games in thirteen tries this year. And we're talking about

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Speaker 2: the same defense that has been.

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Speaker 6: Bad, right, and again we're talking about a defense. I mean,

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Speaker 6: Baltimore's offense is plumbiting, so you never know with them.

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Speaker 6: They can ride and shine in a divisional game. Then

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Speaker 6: Miami game looked to me like a Shore win. Now

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Speaker 6: it looks like maybe a sure loss or at least

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Speaker 6: a game where they're gonna have to score a thirty

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Speaker 6: points on the board.

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Speaker 3: Miami beat Buffalo.

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Speaker 6: They manhandled the Jets, which is no great shakes, but

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Speaker 6: they ran in the football better than name of them

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Speaker 6: right now, and that's a bad matchup for the Bengals.

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Speaker 6: And in the last two games obviously Arizona and Cleveland,

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Speaker 6: they're at fulm. But yeah, there's there's still a path.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna stick with you guys and hope that the

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Speaker 6: path comes through because the vision is just a mess.

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Speaker 6: So why not us.

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Speaker 3: There we go?

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Speaker 2: John, Thank you my man. Appreciate you, Yes, sir uh.

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Speaker 2: From John to Paul. What's up, Paul, Hey, I.

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Speaker 7: Have a question for you. Do you think the Dodgers

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Speaker 7: signed the right Daz brother this time?

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Speaker 2: I think I think they saw so much in Alexus.

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Speaker 2: They're like, we've got to fine blood that's related to

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Speaker 2: this guy, and we got to give him a lot

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Speaker 2: of money. And they're like, all right, boom, Edwin Diaz,

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Speaker 2: here we go.

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Speaker 7: That was the biggest thing. And my question for you

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Speaker 7: guys is, do you guys think Al Golden's going to

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Speaker 7: be on a very short lease next year?

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Speaker 5: I would think, I mean, I don't know how you're not.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that it's a shoe in that he

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Speaker 5: comes back next year, to be honest, especially if they

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Speaker 5: really fall apart. But for that reason, I would think, yes,

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Speaker 5: he would. He would certainly be on a ship. I'm not.

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Speaker 7: I'm an average football fan. And when I saw third

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Speaker 7: and fifteen, I said, there's no possible way Josh Allen

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Speaker 7: if it's the gen I don't care if it's a

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's do this, Austin.

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Your front row seat to the fiercest debates in sports.

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Speaker 1: Mo Egger today at three pm on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Since he three p sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports

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Speaker 2: Station thanks to Penn Station. I have to ask the question,

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Speaker 2: Or is it already decided that Zach Taylor is going

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a conversation like the Bengals since losing

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Speaker 3: They are.

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Speaker 2: Staring at another year of missing the playoffs, which would

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Speaker 2: the playoffs in five of seven years. Joe Daniman earlier

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Speaker 3: What's the fallout, Austin?

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Speaker 2: If this doesn't happen, if they don't make the playoffs

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Speaker 5: As it relates to Zach Taylor. I do not anticipate

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Speaker 5: And I still think that the Brown family views Zach

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is that the way it should be? Because I

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Speaker 2: But for much of the season, hasn't it felt that way.

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Speaker 5: But we've also taken most of the blame away from

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Speaker 4: This year.

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Speaker 5: There's never been a season, at least as long as

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Speaker 5: in this organization, has there been more of a microscope

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've advocated for it. I did it on Monday.

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Speaker 3: At number ten. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, the see this is where it gets crazy, because

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: No, Because as long as this team is mathematically alive,

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Speaker 3: That's what it is.

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Speaker 2: And if they beat the Ravens and the Steelers lose

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Speaker 3: And what are you valuing if you.

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Speaker 5: Think about it. I mean, Baltimore and Miami are right

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Speaker 5: I hate that this is what we're talking about right now, correct,

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Speaker 5: more than likely either having already set the sack record

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Speaker 5: and trying to add on to it. Or trying to

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Speaker 5: get the sack record. I have no interest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, conversations that hopefully are delayed us having to have

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Speaker 2: because the Bengals take care of the Baltimore Ravens on

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Speaker 2: Sunday and then we're all Dolphins fans on Monday Night football.

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Speaker 3: We'll take a break.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, phone lines will be open five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty. We got to talk a little

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Speaker 2: college hoops as well if we have an opportunity, and

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Speaker 2: we'll check in with Moagger from Oakley Greens for quick

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Speaker 2: kits on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Men, Tony Pikes since E three sixty is back now

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Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back since E three to sixty.

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station at thanks compend station.

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Speaker 5: You never call it Tony Pikes since E three sixty.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't literally talk about myself in

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Speaker 3: third person.

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Speaker 5: I've done it many times in the past.

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Speaker 2: No, I never said, well Tony thinks this, Tony does that, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Tony says this. Here's what I say out of these teams,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to get into QB tiers. Tomorrow We're

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Speaker 2: going to dive deep into the quarterback tiers in the

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Speaker 2: National Football League. I wrote these teams down as Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl contenders. Who would you add or take off this list? Rams, Packers, Seahawks,

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Speaker 2: forty nine Ers, Lions, Texans, Bills, Broncos. Those are the

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Speaker 2: only teams I have right now as contenders.

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Speaker 5: I would take off the forty nine Ers, the Lions,

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Speaker 5: and the Niners just because of the competition. Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: don't think they're that good. You take off the Lions,

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Speaker 5: forty nine Ers, Lions. Yeah, the Broncos and Texans are

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Speaker 5: the same team to me, I mean outside of the

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Speaker 5: But I'm bill still not crazy. I don't know that

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Speaker 5: there is one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think this year that the narrative is about to shift,

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Speaker 5: by the way, because Burrow, Jackson and Mahomes are not

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Speaker 5: going to be in the playoffs, So the narrative is

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Speaker 5: going to shift to Okay, Josh Allen, never have you

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Speaker 5: had a better chance than this right here. You don't

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Speaker 5: have to go through those three guys at any point

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Speaker 5: to get your team to the Super Bowl. And so

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Speaker 5: I think I have a hard time betting against Josh

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Speaker 5: Allen right now when it comes to the AFC.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Now, I don't think they're the best team, but they

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Speaker 5: got the best player.

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Speaker 2: I think the forty nine ers are off list. I'm

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Speaker 2: not ready to move the Lions just yet.

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Speaker 4: Injuries and their det.

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Speaker 2: Darnold is the big question for me. Rams, Packers, Seahawks, Lions, Texans,

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Speaker 2: Bill's Broncos, out of out of this list, Panthers, Cowboys, Eagles, Bears, Chiefs, Dolphins, Ravens, Colts, Chargers, Jaguars, Steelers, Patriots, Bucks, Bengals.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember any of them. Any of those teams

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Speaker 3: should be a contender.

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Speaker 5: That was too many for the Bengals are a contender.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm asking you, like, these are the teams I

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Speaker 2: just have as off my off my contender list, but

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Speaker 2: but they're still mathematically These are the teams that are

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Speaker 2: still mathematically and or in the playoffs. But I'm just

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Speaker 2: not counting them as a contender. Bengals, Tampa Bay, New England.

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Speaker 2: You have New England as a contender or no, okay, Steelers, Jaguars.

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Speaker 2: You've seen enough from the Jags to be a contender

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Speaker 2: in a weekend AFC.

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Speaker 5: No, what do you think? Are you just naming teams

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Speaker 5: and asking me my list.

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Speaker 2: My list was the original Rams, Packers, Seahawks, Niners, Lions, Texans,

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Speaker 2: Bill's Broncos. Those are the teams I view as actual

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Speaker 2: contenders as we sit here on December ninth. Off my

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Speaker 2: contender list. Now there's irrelevant teams that don't matter at

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Speaker 2: this point. But the teams that are still alive Panthers, Cowboys, Eagles, Bears, Chiefs, Dolphins.

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Speaker 5: I think there's three in the NFC that can win

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Speaker 5: the Super Bowl. The Rams, the Packers, saw the Seahawks,

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Speaker 5: and the big thing for the Seahawks, And you mentioned

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Speaker 5: Sam Darnold. He's not going to have to play Brian

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Speaker 5: floor as in the playoffs like he did last year.

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Speaker 5: Sure well, ayad Brian Floor is on his team last year,

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Speaker 5: but he's not gonna have to face, you know, that

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Speaker 5: type of defense in the playoffs where he was really

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Speaker 5: getting torn up.

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Speaker 2: So I think those three are the any other in

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Speaker 2: the AFC that you would put into the contender list.

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Speaker 5: I don't really feel good about any of them at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Like I think they're technically contenders because somebody has to

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Speaker 5: come out of the AFC. Yeah, I would still lean

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Speaker 5: towards Buffalo, even though I know Denver has a better defense,

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Speaker 5: Houston has a better defense. New England is maybe the

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Speaker 5: most complete team of the group.

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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting with the Seahawks as well. You're

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Speaker 2: gonna learn a lot down the stretch. Colts Rams on

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Speaker 2: the road against the Panthers, on the road against the

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Speaker 2: forty nine ers.

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Speaker 5: I think they'll win every one of those games.

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Speaker 3: I just don't. I don't think they beat the Rams.

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Speaker 5: They almost beat them the first time in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: They did, and that was a game Darnold through four picks.

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Speaker 5: It's a home Thursday night game in Seattle. They'll win

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Speaker 5: that game. Okay, Seattle win that game, all right. They're

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Speaker 5: playing a ninety six year old quarterback this week.

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Speaker 2: What if he wins? Though, what if Phil wins? It

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Speaker 2: would be a great story. I gotta see if I

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Speaker 2: would be fitting considering I just said, yep, they'll win out.

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Speaker 2: I we got a break. We gotta get the mowagger.

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Speaker 2: I've got to return a phone call to Indy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess I don't have to make I guess I

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Speaker 2: don't have to make a drive up there.

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Speaker 5: We never we don't make that joke.

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Speaker 3: On ESPN fifteenth.

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Speaker 2: Talk about himself in third person. Yeah, well I got

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Speaker 2: you guys to wreck his career? Got you earlier? Are

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Speaker 2: you already cut my mic off? ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Sports station.

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Speaker 1: Now it's time for a quick hits on Tony Tykes.

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Speaker 1: Since three sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Was looking for Mo it is.

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Speaker 2: We're heading out to Oakley Greens to do so. Mowager

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Speaker 2: is there today and yet still nice enough to join

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Speaker 2: us right now?

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 5: Mo?

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Speaker 4: Fellas? How are we?

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Speaker 3: I'm great? How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm all right? What do you get?

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Speaker 6: What do you get?

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Speaker 3: Coming up on the.

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Speaker 8: I was gonna try to squeeze a few more segments out.

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Speaker 4: Of Kyle Schwarber this week. Yeah, and I'll do so today.

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Speaker 8: But I was sort of hoping that I could just

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Speaker 8: I could, I could, I could suckle on that teat.

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Speaker 3: Just a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Wow, he's no Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 8: I was thinking about this today that the standings Trey

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Speaker 8: Hendrickson has so far run away with the title of

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Speaker 8: most radio segments about Shamar Stewart number two. Kyle Schwarber

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Speaker 8: doesn't make the top fifteen, but I got a good

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Speaker 8: ten to twelve segments out of the Reds pursuit of Kyle.

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Speaker 5: Schwartz, who's the all time leader in that category, like

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Speaker 5: Pete Rose, Carson Palmer.

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Speaker 4: Like, that's a good question.

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Speaker 8: It's probably either Andy Dalton or Joey Vado.

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Speaker 3: It's probably Joey because.

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Speaker 8: If you think of all the different you know, well,

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Speaker 8: he didn't drive in enough, Arby Hines.

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Speaker 3: Enough too much, walks too much, he'd.

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Speaker 8: Not be invade the walk and then all the subsequent topics,

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Speaker 8: but probably Vado. I would say Voo Dalton, and then

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Speaker 8: number three would be just generic UC football coaching searches.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's true. I know it's true. Like all

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Speaker 4: the UC there.

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Speaker 8: Is nothing and I mean this in the eighteen years

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Speaker 8: I guess I've been doing our show, there is nothing

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Speaker 8: that gets people talking more on our show than a

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Speaker 8: UC football.

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Speaker 3: Still a good coaching search.

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Speaker 4: Once they hired the coach. It's like, you want to

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Speaker 4: talk about the games, but when.

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Speaker 8: They when they have a coaching need, people get all

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Speaker 8: fired up for that.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talked yesterday that on Sunday, in that

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter, you allowed yourself to believe again. You you

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Speaker 2: opened the door back up and it came crashing down.

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Speaker 2: I think I had that same thing happen today. I

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Speaker 2: started to allow myself to believe that Kyle Schwarber could

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Speaker 2: actually happen. Do you think this was ever a real possibility?

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Speaker 2: Do you see Schwarber is just kind of playing this

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Speaker 2: to get more from the Philadelphia Phillies that the passing.

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Speaker 3: Piece comes out.

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Speaker 2: The Reds were not able to match financially what Kyle

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Speaker 2: Schwarber wanted. Do you think this was ever a consideration.

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Speaker 8: A consideration for Kyle or conation. I'm sure he was

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Speaker 8: open to it. Yeah, I'm gonna guess he never seriously

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Speaker 8: considered the Reds offer. There's a difference between you know,

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Speaker 8: I'll consider the Reds as a possibility and I'm interested

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Speaker 8: in what they would have to say, versus I'm considering

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Speaker 8: their offer. My guess is he considered Cincinnati until he

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Speaker 8: got the offer. And I think that's the question we

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Speaker 8: all have here. How serious was their pursuit. I was

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Speaker 8: told very late last night. I got a text from

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Speaker 8: somebody who I really really trust, late last night, like

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Speaker 8: after the Monday night football game, and it's like, you

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Speaker 8: can stop talking about Kyle.

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Speaker 3: Schwerber now man.

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Speaker 8: And I was like, okay, And I've been told that

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Speaker 8: by a lot of folks like, why are you wasting

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Speaker 8: your time? Why are you wasting your breath? What did

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Speaker 8: I do sports talk radio for a living man like

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Speaker 8: con But I was told last night by somebody who

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Speaker 8: would know, like, you can stop talking about it.

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Speaker 4: He's going back to the Phillies. Yea. And so it

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Speaker 4: was fun.

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Speaker 8: But did any of us really believe you know, in

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Speaker 8: sports we do this all the time.

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Speaker 4: We create certain narratives. Well, he's from Cincinnati, so he's

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Speaker 4: gonna want to be here.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, right, Oh, it looked Ficker will never leave because

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Speaker 8: this has got a fat a thousand kids and they

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Speaker 8: all go to the schools here here.

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Speaker 4: Okay, at the end of the.

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Speaker 8: Day, it's about money. And so it was fun. It

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Speaker 8: was fun to entertaine. But there was a great amount

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Speaker 8: of skepticism that the Reds were seriously going to pursue him.

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Speaker 8: And I mean, like, say, all right, we'll match with

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Speaker 8: the Phillies or the Mets or the Red Sox are

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Speaker 8: willing to offer. I'm led to believe that their offer

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Speaker 8: was not even in the same ball.

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Speaker 2: So do you think they go and they take that

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Speaker 2: money they did offer and go try to get another

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Speaker 2: high level free agent.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I have a poll question.

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Speaker 8: I thought maybe you guys could answer it for me

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Speaker 8: at moegar so, because I think there's four different possibilities.

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Speaker 8: The first possibility is a player who used to be

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Speaker 8: good before he got hurt. The next possibility would be

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Speaker 8: the kind of player whose value can only be appreciated

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Speaker 8: if you look at the underlying metrics. If I hear again, well,

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Speaker 8: if you look at the underlying metrics, if I have

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Speaker 8: to look at the underlying.

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Speaker 4: Metrics, you stick.

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Speaker 8: Or there's former guardian who brings value because Tito knows them.

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Speaker 8: Or there's guy who is a big player on a

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Speaker 8: really good team and who's winning pedigree provides more value

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Speaker 8: than any real statistical contribution. Which of those four players

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Speaker 8: would be the best plan? B?

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Speaker 5: If you will, I'm going to well, I don't know

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Speaker 5: that it's the best. But what they will do is

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Speaker 5: a guy who used to be good before he got hurt.

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Speaker 5: I think it'll actually be like a mix between A

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Speaker 5: and B. But okay, mostly underlying metrics.

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Speaker 2: But if you could find someone who used to be

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Speaker 2: good that has a relationship with Tito, watch out.

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Speaker 5: If you metrics before he got hurt, he was really you.

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Speaker 8: Could like guy who was with the Guardians when they

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Speaker 8: were good and Tito was manager but used to be

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Speaker 8: good before he got hurt and also has great underlying

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Speaker 8: metrics that sort of satisfies all for But it's a

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Speaker 8: legitimate question, like now what right, So we were talking about, Okay,

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Speaker 8: could they add a guy who you could pretty.

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Speaker 4: Much jot down to hit forty home runs for you? Okay,

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Speaker 4: well he's off, he's off. Now what now?

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Speaker 8: What is going to satisfy their need for a power bat?

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Speaker 8: Is there a free agent possibility? Or is it they

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Speaker 8: dip into their reservoir of starting pitchers to go, uh

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Speaker 8: trade one of those guys and get someone to return.

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Speaker 5: Scott Boris hinted today that maybe the Reds were interested

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Speaker 5: in Cody Bellinger. Does that do anything for you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit sure.

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Speaker 2: Outside of another Schreber segment, what do you got on

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Speaker 2: the show today?

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Speaker 8: Jeff Carr is going to come on the show to

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Speaker 8: talk about Collegewood.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so we're just we're really gonna milk this. I might.

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Speaker 8: What I was looking forward to was being inundated with

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Speaker 8: You know, my my brother went to middle school with

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Speaker 8: college for where you should have him on because I

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Speaker 8: was already starting to get that, and I was also

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Speaker 8: starting to get like, you know, my sister used to

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Speaker 8: wait tables at the I Hop in Middletown. She says,

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Speaker 8: it's a done deal. She says, he's comming.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 8: I was starting to get some of that too. Paul

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Speaker 8: Danner Junior is going to be on the show. We'll

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Speaker 8: talk about the Bengals and a lot of different things

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Speaker 8: in play there. Our guy, Sean Sayed's Stats and Scheme

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Speaker 8: newsletter is going to break down the Bengals schemes because

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna ask him about spying the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Do other teams do this to other team's spot?

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Speaker 5: That's tough, that's tough to teach. You're going to ask

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Speaker 5: him his favorite Jermaine Burton moment, Well.

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Speaker 8: He had four catches. That was one of my pole

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Speaker 8: questions yesterday, which all four catches? Was your favorite? My

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Speaker 8: favorite Jermaine Burton moment was when he had the good

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Speaker 8: preseason game against the Buccaneers and he was like other world.

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Speaker 8: Yet after the game, all anybody talked about was like

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Speaker 8: they're pretty much said on TV, he falls asleep in the.

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Speaker 4: Meetings, don't know what he's doing doesn't show.

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Speaker 8: Up on times like damn guy, I like game. They're like, hey, yeah,

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Speaker 8: I just see when he was in he was in

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Speaker 8: the late in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: I liked when he wore that beach tal for like

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Speaker 3: three days at Trant.

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Speaker 5: Forgot about that.

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Speaker 2: Austin was wondering as well. He wanted to bring this

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Speaker 2: up and ask you. You added a new item to

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Speaker 2: your muted words list on social media, League average defense.

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Speaker 2: You're done with this now?

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Speaker 4: Why?

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Speaker 8: Because I'm tired of hearing about how they just need

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Speaker 8: a league average defense.

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Speaker 5: But it's true.

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Speaker 8: It's not true. They need a defense that can help

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Speaker 8: you win games. They need a defense that can win

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Speaker 8: games in the fourth quarter. They need a championship level defense. Now, statistically,

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Speaker 8: if that's their fifteenth that's fine.

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Speaker 4: What are they in the fourth quarter?

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Speaker 8: League average defense doesn't do anything for me if they

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Speaker 8: stink on third and fifteen or fourth and fifteen in

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Speaker 8: the fourth quarter when John has the football and you

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Speaker 8: know what he's gonna do that defense metric maybe middle

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Speaker 8: of the pack. Can I get a defense that can

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Speaker 8: get off the field against the Detroit Lions when they've

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Speaker 8: cut the deficit to eleven points, and they're still time

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Speaker 8: at home. Can I get a defense that can get

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Speaker 8: off the field against the New York Jets when they're

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Speaker 8: the offense has done enough to win it. Can I

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Speaker 8: get a defense that can stop the Chicago Bears in

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Speaker 8: the fourth quarter when the game is there.

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Speaker 4: To be won. I don't.

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Speaker 8: I have no remote idea where the Bengals ranked defensively none.

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Speaker 8: I could not care less. When the games have been

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Speaker 8: hanging in the balance, it has failed. If a league

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Speaker 8: average defense is more likely to get those stops, that's

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Speaker 8: one thing. I want a championship caliber defense. I want

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Speaker 8: a defense that can win games for you. In twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty one, the Bengals had a defense that could win

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Speaker 8: games for it. I don't know what they were statistically,

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Speaker 8: don't care. They could win games. That unit could win games.

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Speaker 8: So miss me with this lead. When you just gotta

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Speaker 8: be league average means all you're aspiring to is league average.

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Speaker 8: When you're ceiling is league average, Your floor is a

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Speaker 8: comparison to the nineteen sixty six New York Giants. It's

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Speaker 8: so stop with the just need league average. I'm tired

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Speaker 8: of it. We do it with all the team, but

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Speaker 8: it just gotta be okay, let just go get Mike

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Speaker 8: Schwarbur instead of Kyle Schwarber. Just in the league average,

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Speaker 8: stop attaining, stop striving for average, how about strive for good.

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Speaker 8: What they need next year is a good defense?

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Speaker 4: Good? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Do you remember times that.

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Speaker 8: That they have legitimately competed for anything? The defense when

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Speaker 8: it is counted has been good? Not eh, that's the

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Speaker 8: league average. Is a sound effect.

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Speaker 4: What do you want next year? How's the how's Al

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Speaker 4: Gold's defense gonna be next year?

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Speaker 8: No? I want like a word that describes the defense,

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Speaker 8: not a sound effect.

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Speaker 3: What was your first muted word? Nevada game?

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Speaker 4: Kanyeah?

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Speaker 8: Okay, kanye was later Nevada game was the first muted term.

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Speaker 4: All right, Nevada game.

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Speaker 3: Have a great show. We appreciate you. See Guyer's next

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Speaker 2: From Oakley Greens on ESPN fifteen thirty Centcinnati Sports Station