WEBVTT - 10-13-25 Scott Sloan Show

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to be an American?

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go Monday morning, back at at Scott Sloan,

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<v Speaker 2>hanging with you on seven hundred w WELW and we

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<v Speaker 2>pick up where we left off last week, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is three Ohio companies, including a Cincinnati outfit, filed a

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuit challenging Republican Governor Mike Dewines emergency order to ban

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<v Speaker 2>the sale of low level intoxicating hemp products Delta eight

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<v Speaker 2>infused products like edibles, gummies, and some certain seltzer. So

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<v Speaker 2>let me just lay the explainer out because I was

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<v Speaker 2>talking to people a few people this weekend are like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can't understand what the difference is between Delta

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<v Speaker 2>and Dental nine and then CBD and then cannabis. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's complicated. I'll try and make as simple as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>So cannabis and hemp are they're related plants. They look

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<v Speaker 2>alike chemically, they're different, and the part that gets you

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<v Speaker 2>high is much less so in hemp. Hemp has been

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<v Speaker 2>legal in the United States, Cannabis is not by federal law.

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<v Speaker 2>THC of the cannabis part and way THHD is the

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<v Speaker 2>part that gets you high. CBD doesn't basically, so hemp

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<v Speaker 2>has a little little bit of and CBD has a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of THHC in the hamp anyway. But so

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<v Speaker 2>what they do is the products and because of this,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know you call the loophole, but product can

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<v Speaker 2>be sold anywhere in the Buckeye State, hemp products, so

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<v Speaker 2>the government doesn't really have jurisdiction over them. And so

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<v Speaker 2>the end result is, hey, we've got hemp and we've

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<v Speaker 2>got cannabis. The THHC and the CBD. That's the difference

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<v Speaker 2>between the two. The other thing you need to know

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<v Speaker 2>you keep hearing about delta eight and delta nine and

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<v Speaker 2>is the chemical compound that makes it up. So eight

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<v Speaker 2>is generally considered not as potent and milder than delta nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Delta nine is the classic weed high. Delta eight is

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<v Speaker 2>a more it's a buzz I guess, it's kind of relaxing.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not as intoxicating, certainly. And the concern is Delta

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<v Speaker 2>eight is synthetically produced by converting hemp derived CB product

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<v Speaker 2>into a chemical process. They extract that point three percent

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<v Speaker 2>out and then now you can get enough of that

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<v Speaker 2>to distill in concertate enough to put in a product

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<v Speaker 2>that will allow one to become mightily intoxicated. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think that is like the dummies version, my version of

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on here, and then we'll get to the

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<v Speaker 2>politics of it. Because Ohio State Senator Steve Hoffman is

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<v Speaker 2>on the show from Tip City. He's a physician and

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<v Speaker 2>sits in the legislature in Columbus. Steve, how are you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing well on yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing fine. It's always difficult to kind of explain

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<v Speaker 2>complex issues like that. I struggle with it, but hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, maybe nine out of ten, ninety

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<v Speaker 2>nine out of one hundred, I think I got most

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<v Speaker 2>of the points right. Then that's where that's where things

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<v Speaker 2>stand right now in Ohiot's I hate calling it loophole

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<v Speaker 2>because loopole is such a loaded term, but it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of is when it comes to hamp.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>So the definition of hemp is less than zero point

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<v Speaker 3>three percent thchc. And to give you a reference from that,

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<v Speaker 3>marijuana during woodstock was six percent thchc. Yeah, today it

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<v Speaker 3>has grown at about thirty five percent. So in woodstock

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<v Speaker 3>you're a catching a little buzz. Now you're getting stoned

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<v Speaker 3>with just a little bit of product.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is which is agricultural progress. I mean in

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<v Speaker 2>other areas it would celebrate. I mean, hell, Steve. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you go back to the same time period of

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen fifties, you know, we get what is it,

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<v Speaker 2>four to six times more yield per acre for you

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<v Speaker 2>know what it is we grow in our fields because

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<v Speaker 2>of technology, the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, I agree, I'm not complaining or anything. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, just you used to get four bushes an acre.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you're getting twenty bushes and that's great. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 3>that's modern technology.

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<v Speaker 2>It's technology. But as far as the HIGA, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a sort of a loopholder. And I understand

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<v Speaker 2>the concern. The concern is this, you do have teenagers,

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<v Speaker 2>younger people even younger than teenagers, preteens, even going into

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<v Speaker 2>you know, gas stations or carryouts, not all of them,

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<v Speaker 2>but a number of them, and they will get a

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<v Speaker 2>deltaate product because there's no age requirement, and the unscrupulous

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<v Speaker 2>retailers have no problems selling that product to a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody wants that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I agree, And you know you're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>see Kroger's or my Ers there places like that sell it.

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<v Speaker 3>But you usually it's the one off gas station that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, see it kinda see is a high profit

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<v Speaker 3>law margin?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for them, it's nothing about money. And okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>get in that regard. Why the governor say, hey, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to do something about this. He's been complaining about

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<v Speaker 2>this for a while, and it's specifically aimed at these

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the intoxicating him products can be sold to

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<v Speaker 2>kids that there's no quality control and they're dangerous. But

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<v Speaker 2>my problem is this, Steve As, you know, what about

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<v Speaker 2>adults who choose to use your stuff? What about for example,

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<v Speaker 2>I had on Friday morning the head of the fifty

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<v Speaker 2>West call him to the show because he was listening

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about how much money they stand to lose

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of adults are going, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I really like the I like the products at Deltate,

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<v Speaker 2>like the CBD infused products at a bar more than

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<v Speaker 2>I like the alcohol. And now we've got this tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>wave that's sweeping across Ohan the rest of the country

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to adults going to in a bar

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<v Speaker 2>and ordering one of these products. And now we have,

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<v Speaker 2>just because of this alleged emergency, we've shut all that

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<v Speaker 2>down that's what's problematic for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't disagree with you. You know, the Senate

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<v Speaker 3>passed my bill eighty six back in March that would

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<v Speaker 3>have solved all this problem, and the House is looking

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<v Speaker 3>has taken it up, but hasn't decided what to do

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<v Speaker 3>with it. And basically it said, if it's intoxicating with THHC,

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<v Speaker 3>it needs to go into the dispensaries and we carve

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<v Speaker 3>out the beverages to go to see her the liquor

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<v Speaker 3>license so that they can continue to be sold.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems like an easy fix. Why didn't we do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>So there's two trains of thought. One put it in

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<v Speaker 3>the dispensaries. Ard number two kind of like the guy

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<v Speaker 3>that you had on the other day that you can

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<v Speaker 3>to be in any retail store, require twenty one and

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<v Speaker 3>over and still be in those stores, but have a license.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no license or plan for a license, but

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<v Speaker 3>be twenty one and over to get THAC in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Form right, Because if I'm going to a bar, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean fifty wests really upstanding place you go. Their kids

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<v Speaker 2>are welcome, their dogs are welcome, they're hell they built

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<v Speaker 2>one in Mason here where I am. It's gorgeous. They've

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<v Speaker 2>got volleyball courts, they got sand for the kids to play,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've got alcohol. They've got the CB drink D drinks.

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<v Speaker 2>They got food and you know, the margins and food

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<v Speaker 2>and beverage. I don't have to tell you, Steve Hoffman, Senator,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really really tight when I have someone on from

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<v Speaker 2>that industry, or for example, retailers that are saying, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know now like a quarter of my revenue and

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<v Speaker 2>a growing number of the revenue is coming from these

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<v Speaker 2>products because people are going beer sales are down. The

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<v Speaker 2>fifty West folks said, yeah, we're the craft beer. Things

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<v Speaker 2>kind of peaked right now. Now people are like favoring

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<v Speaker 2>how they feel after drinking a couple CBD laced beverages

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to traditional alcohol, because that's what the public wants.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you get away with calling this

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<v Speaker 2>is such an emergency you've got to shut it all

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<v Speaker 2>down in effect immediately for at least ninety days. And

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<v Speaker 2>now we have people who have invested heavily in the

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<v Speaker 2>product and developing and selling and the like for a

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<v Speaker 2>market that clearly exists by adults. And now you're telling

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<v Speaker 2>me even they can't have it. That's extreme to me.

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<v Speaker 2>To call this an emergency is absurd.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't disagree with you. I think the governor was

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<v Speaker 3>his way to force the people, the General Assembly to

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<v Speaker 3>either look at eighty six and put it in the dispensaries,

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<v Speaker 3>or there's a ten to fifteen people in the House

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<v Speaker 3>that say we shouldn't do that, we should just leave.

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<v Speaker 3>Let these people do it, but make it twenty one

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<v Speaker 3>and over. Maybe behind the counter, like we have other

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<v Speaker 3>products behind the counter so that people can't get to

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<v Speaker 3>it is another train of thought. Or you know or

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<v Speaker 3>you know, have a license to do well.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not going they're going to carre it to anybody

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<v Speaker 2>who walks in. They're not going to sell these drinks

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<v Speaker 2>to kids because of a loophole. Now maybe there's some

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<v Speaker 2>again unscrupulous retailers, but we should be using the law

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<v Speaker 2>to go after them and allowing the adults. Anyway, the

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<v Speaker 2>good people to get what they want and what business

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<v Speaker 2>is willing to sell. And it's a market driven economy. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a play by the governor because he's willing

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<v Speaker 2>to be the bad guy here to say, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to force the House to do something to

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<v Speaker 2>act on this from what you hear now, granted you're

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<v Speaker 2>in a different chamber, is there any impetus to move

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<v Speaker 2>quickly on this as a result.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think, you know, we'll see if these, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the temporary injunctions are out there. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>think that they will not that they will be success

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<v Speaker 3>successful to overturning the governor, because the governor has said,

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<v Speaker 3>essentially for the last year and a half, this HEMP

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<v Speaker 3>product and with the Dela eight Della nine is really bad.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got to do something, but I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't do it with an executive order. And he

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<v Speaker 3>says it's said that twenty five times, and now he's

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<v Speaker 3>doing it. And so there's a lot of people think

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<v Speaker 3>that that it'll be overturned his executive order. So but

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<v Speaker 3>it'll give people some emphasis to you know, to come

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<v Speaker 3>to the table, to be able to say, Okay, is

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<v Speaker 3>it twenty one and over in any store or is

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<v Speaker 3>it over here in the dispensaries, because we've identified it

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<v Speaker 3>this intoxicating.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And I'll get back to the initial thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is where I get what Mike DeWine is doing

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<v Speaker 2>and leveraging this and saying we're declaring emergency shut it down.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's pressure on the Assembly to get something done

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<v Speaker 2>and get it done in a hurry. But at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, this is a problem that was created for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time by these same elected officials in that

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<v Speaker 2>there's been sizable demand for cannabis, medicinal cannabis and then

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<v Speaker 2>recreational cannabis. Everyone saw this coming. It was a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of time before we passed it. Then the legislature after

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<v Speaker 2>it was a grassroots effort, are going to pass Then

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<v Speaker 2>the legislature got involved in trying too. Well, now we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to regulated because this was the people I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>fought for the governor themselves that I don't want this

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<v Speaker 2>in my state. I went to Colorado. It's terrible, and

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<v Speaker 2>the people in Colorado seem to enjoy it because they

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<v Speaker 2>keep voting for it. So at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>I see this whole CBD and the point three percent

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<v Speaker 2>THCHC and that's just a workaround. It's synthetic marijuana. Because

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<v Speaker 2>had we just accepted the fact that people want to

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<v Speaker 2>use THHC products and I'm talking about adults here, and

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<v Speaker 2>accept that and leaned into it, we wouldn't have this

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<v Speaker 2>whole loophole to begin with. I don't think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like this is a problem created by overregulation

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<v Speaker 2>and not being responded to the constituents that for many,

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<v Speaker 2>many years said what's wrong with us having some pot?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't disagree with a lot of things you said.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it goes back to twenty eighteen. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>the FEDS created in the Farm Bill the ability to

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<v Speaker 3>have hemp. I had sentate Bill fifty seven in Ohio

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<v Speaker 3>that legalized hemp. And it was our short sightedness. We

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<v Speaker 3>didn't really think about the CBD and the THHC. We

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<v Speaker 3>knew that there had to be under point three, but

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<v Speaker 3>we were thinking about industrial hamp and you were going

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<v Speaker 3>to grow it for clothing and straws and car parts.

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<v Speaker 3>But since then, the you know, this market for CBDs

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<v Speaker 3>when and when people say I want a full spectrum product,

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<v Speaker 3>that means it has higher levels the THHC in it,

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<v Speaker 3>And so we didn't really think of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now now we have to deal with it because that's

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<v Speaker 2>what the people wanted. So the people who are going

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<v Speaker 2>to get whether it's I mean as well, you know

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<v Speaker 2>Steve that you know prohibition does not work in almost

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<v Speaker 2>all cases, it just simply doesn't work, especially in something

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<v Speaker 2>in this fashion.

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<v Speaker 5>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things I hear too, and you as

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<v Speaker 2>a physician, Steve and can address this, is that we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know enough about delta eight. We don't know enough

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<v Speaker 2>about these derivatives, whether how healthy they are, and with

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<v Speaker 2>the initial report, largely because you know, outside of hamp

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll talk about cannabis. It's been a Schedule one

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<v Speaker 2>narcotic for so long that no one's allowed to do

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<v Speaker 2>research on it. So it's hard to say, hey, we

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<v Speaker 2>can't do research and find out what's in it. Well

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<v Speaker 2>because the law, federal law prescribes it, we can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>What about CBD? What do we know so far about

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<v Speaker 2>this product that, for all intents and purposes is illegal

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<v Speaker 2>despite this this ninety day shutdown. But people do it

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<v Speaker 2>for all sorts of reasons. I've tried it. It worked

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<v Speaker 2>for me, I thought for a little bit, but I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it didn't. Some people report great success with diminished

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<v Speaker 2>pain and focus and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's three things in marijuana, and three common things

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<v Speaker 3>in marijuana, and half the THC, the CBD, and another

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<v Speaker 3>product called estra dial and it's the combination and the

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<v Speaker 3>level of the of the three. CBD is thought to

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<v Speaker 3>be safe. Again, there's no real research out there about

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<v Speaker 3>what it helps with arthritis, it helps with with anxiety.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of people think that both of those it helps, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's no research out there, but it's it's thought

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<v Speaker 3>to be very very safe and certainly not intoxicating with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and as far as long term effects have have

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<v Speaker 2>we been able to study that? As someone on another

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<v Speaker 2>country menial to do that, what do we know about it?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think there's any any studies of above long

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<v Speaker 3>term effects on with with CBD.

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<v Speaker 2>I do know this as a parent, I wouldn't want

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<v Speaker 2>my adolescent to get it. I wouldn't want my kid

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<v Speaker 2>using it now. If they decided when they become adults

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<v Speaker 2>to engage in the use of alcohol or things like this,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a different matter entirely. We we don't know. Do

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<v Speaker 2>we have any idea what the effect might be on

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<v Speaker 2>kids in the developing mind.

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<v Speaker 3>We certainly the THC is very bad for the developing mind.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, mind really doesn't fully develop till you're about

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five, So we know that's bad. That we have

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<v Speaker 3>no research really on any CBD, but it's thought to

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<v Speaker 3>be okay, but we have no research.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean we know like heavy cannabis users, teenagers

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<v Speaker 2>use it, their sleep problems possibly and things that persist

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<v Speaker 2>later in life. Same for pregnant women. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're a heavy teen user or a heavy user

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<v Speaker 2>of anything in genier normally. And this is what I

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<v Speaker 2>hate to see when we talk about prohibition and bands,

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<v Speaker 2>is that you know, we're scaring people with a very

0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.000
<v Speaker 2>very small percentage of folks who abuse it. Now that

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<v Speaker 2>could be a kid, it could also be an adult too.

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<v Speaker 2>So you look at the extreme and say, this is

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<v Speaker 2>why I should you should ban it because there's sleep

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<v Speaker 2>problems and it could cause pregnancy issues and it could

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<v Speaker 2>develop the problems in your kid. Okay, but that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>like a fraction of one percent of the users. Most

0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.520
<v Speaker 2>people are adults just trying to either feel better about

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<v Speaker 2>their situation in life, do a little chemical yoga, if

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<v Speaker 2>you will, Steve Hoffman, or use it to alleviate pains

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<v Speaker 2>instead of using opioids. And we've had this now prohibition

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<v Speaker 2>extending far too long. I think we've got to be

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more friendly when it comes this I

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<v Speaker 2>hope the legislature, and this would be the House, decides

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<v Speaker 2>to get up, look at your proposal and say, all right, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't punish businesses who have leaned into making money

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<v Speaker 2>and a growing number of money off of something that

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<v Speaker 2>they were looking the other way on just a few

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<v Speaker 2>days ago, in order to leverage this and say we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to protect it's about the children. Every time someone

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<v Speaker 2>tells me it's about the children. As elected official, I

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<v Speaker 2>do a side eye to them. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't disagree with you. I do believe, as always,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that Governor de Wine is well meaning. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>we don't agree with the tactic that he took with

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<v Speaker 3>the emergency order, but I truly believe that everything that

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<v Speaker 3>he does is well meaning and partecularly for the children. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's doing this because he's horrible out

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<v Speaker 2>of time. I just I hate the way he worded

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<v Speaker 2>it to sell it. I don't know why I just

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<v Speaker 2>would go, I'm doing this because the legislature won't do

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<v Speaker 2>their job. I mean, you know, you're all on the

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<v Speaker 2>same side of the aisle pretty much. I don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>why you can't call out your own people. Nonetheless, State

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Steve Huffman, what do you think happens next and

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<v Speaker 2>how soon before this thing gets resolved?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the Speaker has said that he hopes we

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<v Speaker 3>can do something by Thanksgiving, and I think it brings

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<v Speaker 3>people to the table and say, you know what, what's

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<v Speaker 3>a good compromise. The ultimate goal is to get this

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<v Speaker 3>out of the hand that children, make it safe with

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<v Speaker 3>some regulation, but still keep the products on the on

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<v Speaker 3>the street.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's what you've been talking about. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think sometime here by the end of the by Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we can.

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<v Speaker 5>Work something out.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Senator, State Senator Steve Huffman from just a

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<v Speaker 2>tipp City, if just north of Dayton. Thanks again, Senator,

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<v Speaker 2>always appreciate your insight in your thoughtful prose on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Good thanks for having me you take care.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care. I appreciate it. And you know, here's the

0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.280
<v Speaker 2>problem with this, all this stupid political fighting. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>the federal government to shut down for good reasons God

0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.400
<v Speaker 2>only knows why. Well, we need healthcare. Well, you're subsidizing

0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.239
<v Speaker 2>something that's if you didn't subsidize it, the exposure is

0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.919
<v Speaker 2>like healthcare is broken. Let's fix that. Let's all get

0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:28.880
<v Speaker 2>to get No, we've got to shut the government down.

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<v Speaker 2>And now we're not going to pay soldiers. But we're

0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.040
<v Speaker 2>gonna pay soldiers because that's a bad look for us.

0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.960
<v Speaker 2>And it's I don't care who you blame, the Democrats, Republics,

0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.760
<v Speaker 2>not blame them all. They all have skin in the game.

0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.680
<v Speaker 2>They're all at fault. It doesn't matter who. We're blind

0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:43.280
<v Speaker 2>so they want they wanted to blame one side or

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<v Speaker 2>the other. We blame the whole system for blame us

0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.240
<v Speaker 2>for allowing us to the thing to occur. Now you

0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.080
<v Speaker 2>look at the state level, something we control a little

0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.399
<v Speaker 2>bit better, because the more locally get the more control

0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.119
<v Speaker 2>you have as a voter, as a constituent. Not a

0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.640
<v Speaker 2>lot of this is going Hold on just a second.

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<v Speaker 2>The state, well, legislature, both sides, and the executive branch

0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.240
<v Speaker 2>controlled by Republicans, and it's been that way for a

0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.520
<v Speaker 2>long time. And you mean to tell me that you

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<v Speaker 2>can't get this done without punishing good law abiding god

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<v Speaker 2>fear in tax paying moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas,

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<v Speaker 2>aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters. I'm not talking about

0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:18.920
<v Speaker 2>the kids because the many of you start going, we

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<v Speaker 2>got to save the children. That's how a pout the

0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.960
<v Speaker 2>children and ain't about the children, It's about your political bs.

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<v Speaker 2>How is it we have Republicans that largely can you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whip and control each other. That's why they call you,

0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, minority whippings in this case the majority. And

0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.439
<v Speaker 2>we've got to basically shut down something that's functioning, something

0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.800
<v Speaker 2>that men and women enjoy with impunity and a growing

0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.240
<v Speaker 2>number of people are discovering is a wonderful thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>that would be these delta E T CBD infused beverages.

0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.800
<v Speaker 2>And we have a whole industry that's growing. You know,

0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:58.040
<v Speaker 2>we worry about job loss and things closing, and you know,

0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.600
<v Speaker 2>is it over for this because a at least in

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, the food and beverage sector, we know

0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.720
<v Speaker 2>that people are demanding more of these beverages. It's literally

0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:12.879
<v Speaker 2>keeping alive a lout of our micro breweries. Yeah, Bobby

0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Slattery was on the show on Friday. He called in

0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:16.960
<v Speaker 2>he's the founder of fifty Wess and said this is

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<v Speaker 2>saving us because right now beer sales people aren't drinking

0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.360
<v Speaker 2>beer like they used to. The craft beer thing now

0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.760
<v Speaker 2>it's about the CBD infused beverages, which we're getting a

0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:26.280
<v Speaker 2>huge market.

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<v Speaker 5>See.

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<v Speaker 2>So the end result is they've got all this product

0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:30.879
<v Speaker 2>that they've got to sell at a discount because they

0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:32.840
<v Speaker 2>don't want to go bad and try and cover some

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<v Speaker 2>of their costs and then stop making it for ninety

0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.600
<v Speaker 2>days because the legislature, the Republican legislature, can't get out

0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:40.560
<v Speaker 2>of there on the way. How hard is it to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with something and go, let's fix this problem.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're an adult, you can buy the beverage as

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<v Speaker 2>long as they're selling to their retailer or a place

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<v Speaker 2>that has a liquor license. It's an easy fix. But

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<v Speaker 2>instead we get, well, we got to do we got

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<v Speaker 2>to ban this to protect the children. That's stupid. Scott's

0:19:54.640 --> 0:20:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Flown show seven hundred WW it's got a we're in Bengals,

0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.320
<v Speaker 2>who's there four straight yesterday? But it felt like a

0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.080
<v Speaker 2>better loss? Does that make any sense? It doesn't, but

0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:07.280
<v Speaker 2>it does if you're a Bengal fan. You know what

0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about. More in that later in the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott's Sloan Back with you on seven hundred WOLW State Centers.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Hoffman on a few minutes ago, kind of laying

0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.760
<v Speaker 2>things out where things stand with the CBD band and

0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.240
<v Speaker 2>how many people does this affect? Seems like a growing number.

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<v Speaker 2>We're out. I was out this weekend, rolling out on

0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:28.680
<v Speaker 2>my knee scooter and stopped in a place and the

0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.320
<v Speaker 2>conversation with the bar turn It's like, yeah, we we

0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.960
<v Speaker 2>we Literally I've never seen any product come along as

0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the takeover as quickly as the infused selters have, so, well,

0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.200
<v Speaker 2>what's the plan with it going away? It's like, well,

0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:43.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're going to sell the stuff we can

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<v Speaker 2>right now, and it's going to be a tough couple

0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.480
<v Speaker 2>of months until I figured this thing out. So I

0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.479
<v Speaker 2>feel for the retails, the producers. I mean, think about it.

0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:55.080
<v Speaker 2>You just can't wake up one day. Okay, we've got

0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.679
<v Speaker 2>the supply. Now you got to order the you know,

0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.159
<v Speaker 2>there's there's things you have to order, the flavorings, the

0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.000
<v Speaker 2>ingredients in there, and then you make the product and

0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.919
<v Speaker 2>it's got a short shelf life. It's not like you

0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:07.040
<v Speaker 2>can just hold all these barrels in reserve. It's not

0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.720
<v Speaker 2>like whiskey, where the longer sits at age is it's better.

0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.280
<v Speaker 2>It's not the case at all, So I just wonder

0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.800
<v Speaker 2>what these these retailers and specifically these companies that manufacture

0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:17.600
<v Speaker 2>what they're going to wind up doing, uh in the

0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.560
<v Speaker 2>interim to like get this thing figured out. And if

0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.200
<v Speaker 2>you look at the economy, you know, certainly the statistics

0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.119
<v Speaker 2>are much different than the fields. You don't want to

0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.520
<v Speaker 2>see anything going, especially something in demand like that. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>real quick on the on the topic Tom in Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>and the Scott Floans Show.

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<v Speaker 6>Good morning, Good morning, How are you Scott?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to listen your senator you just had on now.

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<v Speaker 4>Granted I understand this is an Ohio thing that I

0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:49.439
<v Speaker 4>have family in Ohio. He is either very ignorant of

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.480
<v Speaker 4>the real fact about research on medical marijuana and marijuana

0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:55.360
<v Speaker 4>you period, because in a two seconds search I found

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<v Speaker 4>about forty articles places like Yale and the CDC and

0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:02.280
<v Speaker 4>the Nationalists, TOUE of Health and all kinds of places.

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<v Speaker 4>There is tons of research on this. So he's either

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<v Speaker 4>ignorant or he's telling something.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a couple of different things. You looked at marijuana,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're talking specifically about CBD. For a long time,

0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:16.679
<v Speaker 2>marijuana wasn't research that. Yeah, Yeah, what I'm saying is

0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.200
<v Speaker 2>the law related. So what I'm saying is the long

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.320
<v Speaker 2>term research, and we don't have because it's all, I say,

0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.520
<v Speaker 2>relatively new thing. HEMP spent around for a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>and because of the laws the way they are it,

0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.360
<v Speaker 2>we don't have as much long term data on well,

0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:32.760
<v Speaker 2>for example, fight products because it's a reletively new thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the delta eight along with that.

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<v Speaker 4>True, but you heard him say it. They want to

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<v Speaker 4>put this into the centuries. Why because the state doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>want any competition. It's like just like distilled spirits. You know,

0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:47.880
<v Speaker 4>you can't distill your own spirits because the government doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>want competition.

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<v Speaker 2>They want the tax mon correct, yeah you can't. You

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<v Speaker 2>can make your own beer. But in some areas they're

0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:55.400
<v Speaker 2>actually trying to crack down. They're trying to crack down

0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:57.760
<v Speaker 2>people making their own homebrew for crying out loud, and

0:22:57.800 --> 0:22:59.679
<v Speaker 2>that's like, what are we doing here is simply to

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<v Speaker 2>con ole revenue. I think that I think that drives

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<v Speaker 2>a part of this. I really do.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I think it drives a great part of it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, if you leave anything in the Bible shows,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the Bible shows that the love of money

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<v Speaker 4>is the root of all people. Well, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>think the government loves money, you know, because they want

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<v Speaker 4>all of ours. They don't want anybody to make any

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<v Speaker 4>extra without them getting their cut.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that may drive I just don't see. I don't

0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:27.040
<v Speaker 2>think it's it's practical for if I want a I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, a seltzer to go to a CBD place

0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and buy it, because people aren't thinking that way. It's

0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:34.440
<v Speaker 2>more like, oh, i'm i'm I'm sending here, I'm looking.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got all these beer products and alcohol. I may

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:39.199
<v Speaker 2>try this flavor. It's not like you're going to go

0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.479
<v Speaker 2>in there deliberately. It's just and if you want to

0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.000
<v Speaker 2>destroy the whole industry, just do that. That's what they'll do,

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 2>is just have it available only in the dispensary. No

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 2>one's going to go into dispensary to buy these products

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<v Speaker 2>like they would in the liquor store or somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's not gonna work that way.

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<v Speaker 5>Yep.

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<v Speaker 6>And an adult, I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 2>Your thanks, Tom, appreciate you. You know, adults want to

0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 2>go in you go to a bar, so okay, I

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.359
<v Speaker 2>can have whiskey, I can have beer, I can have

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.199
<v Speaker 2>light beer. I can have all these different I can

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:07.359
<v Speaker 2>have one with higher alcohol. You go into places and

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 2>they tell you what the ABV is, right. You know

0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 2>that Kentucky barrele al, that's that they sit seut in

0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:16.200
<v Speaker 2>a little glass because that's stuff potent. That's like two

0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:20.280
<v Speaker 2>beers and other stuff like mic ultra. You know, it's

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.119
<v Speaker 2>closer to water. I enjoy mic culture like your golfing

0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:27.440
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. That's fine, but you know it's

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:29.679
<v Speaker 2>low calorie, but it's also a little good alcol by volume.

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<v Speaker 2>It depends what you're looking to do. I don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>why this is such a big deal when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to to THHC. You know the idea that you know, Senra,

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<v Speaker 2>Back in the sixties, the weed that we had was

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:42.320
<v Speaker 2>MutS of less potent th the weed today. Yeah, that's

0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 2>a good thing. That means we do have technology learning

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.960
<v Speaker 2>how to do things like hybrids for example, and growing

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:51.200
<v Speaker 2>and normally in every other area, go wow, we're getting

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 2>way more yield, much more yield than we did yesterday.

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.880
<v Speaker 2>In America anywhere we celebrate that. And there's still some

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 2>people that we'll talk about it is it's like it's

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 2>a bad wow. You just well, you can't overdose on it,

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:05.400
<v Speaker 2>you just so you'll use less and get justice high.

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 2>That seems like it's value to me, right, it's the

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 2>American way as well. If we have a little bit

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 2>of it, let's do more of it. And only when

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.399
<v Speaker 2>it comes to these guys, it's like a different story

0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 2>entirely the and not talking about Steve, but rather the

0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:21.480
<v Speaker 2>the in this case, it's the House. And so Mike

0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 2>de Wine is trying to leverage and using this power

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<v Speaker 2>to shut everything down, to force the UH, to force

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:30.200
<v Speaker 2>the House to do something and act on this. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, again we have I don't know why they're

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<v Speaker 2>dragging their feet on it.

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<v Speaker 5>I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I would imagine if I were to guess, it has

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat to do with the Bible thumpers and that contingent

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 2>that that that portion of the conservative base that don't

0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.359
<v Speaker 2>like anything. I mean, if we're up to them to

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 2>run things, it would be not much much different than

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<v Speaker 2>probably what we're fighting against in the Middle East, and

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:54.399
<v Speaker 2>that would be you just simply aren't allowed to have

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 2>any fun because God doesn't want that. I don't know

0:25:57.800 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>who you are to interpret what God says, but we

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 2>have an people to believe that, and I don't understand

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:04.399
<v Speaker 2>why you have to control the rest of us. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me, if you don't want to go and

0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 2>use alcohol, you don't want to drink alcohol, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to smoke marijuana, you don't want to have a

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 2>CBD drink, you don't want to I don't know where

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.120
<v Speaker 2>a dress that doesn't cover your ankle, whatever the hell

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.200
<v Speaker 2>it is. It seems like, Okay, well you do that.

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 2>That good for you. I celebrate your right to do that,

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:27.960
<v Speaker 2>but don't tell me what to do. And that's the problem.

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Busybodies generally the problem busy bodies to vote even worse

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>of a problem solo only A five point three seven

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<v Speaker 2>four nine seven thousand, eight hundred the Big One talk

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<v Speaker 2>back iHeartRadio app. You want to fire on the show

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<v Speaker 2>this morning? Where are you on fragrances. I know there's

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:48.159
<v Speaker 2>a difference, but I think between like old spice, I

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 2>don't really consider that a fragrance, like body washes and stuff.

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about perfume. There's a fine line between smelling

0:26:56.640 --> 0:27:00.440
<v Speaker 2>nice and clean and clearing out a room them It's

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 2>a fine line, just a fine line. Perfume ads when

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:08.639
<v Speaker 2>you watch if you step back and watch the fragrance ads,

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who they're designed to appeal. For a

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:13.880
<v Speaker 2>long time, I have no idea. I was like, who

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 2>is that appealing to? Exactly? If you just watch the end,

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 2>because generally it's like some I don't know, bony women,

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 2>effeminate men laying atop boulders and the beaches on fire,

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 2>and I have no idea. What do you who's buying

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 2>this stuff? I look at it, go wow, that's the stuff.

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 2>For me, it's just weird. And I guess it's because

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 2>it's awfully hard to articulate in the words, what something

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.440
<v Speaker 2>smells like, So you do it by something that makes

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 2>you go, boy, if I use any of these products,

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>that makes me a weirdo. Yeah, countless people do. Look

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:56.400
<v Speaker 2>at the echo, what you what are you doing here?

0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.360
<v Speaker 2>So in a way, it's kind of like the prescription

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:01.919
<v Speaker 2>drug ads. I can't tell you what it does, but

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 2>the list of side effects is as long as the

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:09.239
<v Speaker 2>ad itself. It's fifteen seconds to people dancing, you know,

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.680
<v Speaker 2>in a square, and they're in a food truck and

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:15.200
<v Speaker 2>they're dancing around. They seem awfully happy and singing about

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 2>this miracle product.

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 5>That.

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:18.439
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what it's intended to cure, but

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm supposed to ask my physician if it's right for me.

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Okay, I can't remember the name of this.

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what this is. Hey, is that you

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.640
<v Speaker 2>know that ad where that heavy set woman's dancing around

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and there's a tuba player and then there's some old

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 2>guy throwing a football and they're having a picnic that

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know that, you know that? Is that

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>right for me? I have no idea what you're talking about.

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Every one of the pharmaschool AADs look like that, Scott. Yeah,

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 2>but I'm supposed to ask you if it's right for me.

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>They won't tell me what it does, but is it

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 2>right for me? It's another weird ad. But the perfume

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 2>ads are the ones that, like, I don't know why

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 2>people are is this really attracting people to go by

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 2>this perfume? They're just so also just so weird, like

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 2>the perfume mad people are weird people. But now we

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>have a breakthrough the fragrance industry. We have the hottest

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 2>new trend. I'm waiting for the maybe the state legislature.

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 2>I know how to ban this because people want it.

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Sense that smell like food not ever. Always kind of

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 2>been around, but apparently it's like the huge thing right now.

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 2>People wanting to smell like vanilla or pumpkin spice. Caramel

0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 2>swirl is a new scent. It's a mashup of notes

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 2>that remind them of Missus Butterworth's syrup. That may be

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 2>okay maybe in the winter, but I think this time

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 2>of year where the yellowjackets and bees are doing what

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 2>they getting ready to winter in, maybe that's not the best,

0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:48.719
<v Speaker 2>not the best thing to wear if you're headed outside.

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Dove is partnering with Crumble Cookies on a lemon glazed

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 2>body scrub, a confetti cake, a body washed Dunkin Donuts

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 2>with a vanilla sprinkled deodorant, and a blueberry cobbler, Boston

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Cream mashup, Beth and Bodyworks and Milk Bar launching a

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 2>collapse together. And you know, to me is a guy

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 2>that to me is a long time. It's much more

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 2>appealing than the weirdo is rolling around on boulders. Yeah,

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 2>if the idea hears, Hey, I want to smell really

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>good and maybe somebody knows how I smell and we've

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 2>become a getting a relationship, become attracted to each other,

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 2>we become a couple, become a thing. And maybe you

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 2>know that just down one whiff will get me gone

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 2>if you really wanted to do that, just somebody would

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 2>make a I don't know, a perfume that smelled like

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 2>a pizza or I don't know, like b dubs or

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 2>something like that like that would really think a guy'd go,

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 2>all right, she's cool. Yeah, and like that to me

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>sounds like okay, it's smell. You smelled delicious, Like telling

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 2>someone they smell delicious. It is a much much better compliment,

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>like you're getting your attention because you smell like lilacs

0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. The whole perfume thing, it's like

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 2>you have a little bit and you smell okay, you

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 2>smell okay, But man, there's a finally you just don't

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>need much more to go across that line, you know

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 2>what I'm talking about. There people will come in and

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 2>literally will set the smoke detectors off because they're wearing

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>so much perfume like their olo factory senses. I don't

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 2>know what happened to you if you're snorting acid when

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>you're like talking about like hydrochloric acid when you're younger.

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm not quite sure. But then there's those people. I

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>don't think I'd ever have that problem if you smell,

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>because you would never smell like too much pizza. If

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 2>you had that kind of fragrance, you could douse yourself

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:29.959
<v Speaker 2>in the whole bottle and go. You'd walk in a run.

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 2>People go, wow, who brought pizza? Nope, just my scent.

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:35.959
<v Speaker 2>Same at the syrup, like syrup smells really good. Some

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 2>of these weird. If you go to like the holidays

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 2>once a year, I have to go Christmas shopping. Only

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 2>time I go to the mall and you walk into

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Dillar's or something out of the perfume counter there, I

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 2>not have to hold my breath for a good thirty

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 2>forty seconds because it will just knock me to my

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.640
<v Speaker 2>knees because you have all these competing senses and it's

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 2>just too much. It's overload. Yet I walk in the

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 2>food court, I never want to leave. It's the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick time out. We've got news in about that ten

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<v Speaker 2>and when a return to the show on seven hundred WLW,

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 2>I've got Chris Nihis on he's the CEO of Cincinnati

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Vigilance Cybersecurity. I don't know if you saw it last

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 2>night after football sixty Minutes and it was think it

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 2>was Leslie's stall or whatever it was. Maybe was Scott Paley,

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, one of the sixty minutes people. They

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 2>had a great story opening story about how China has

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 2>infiltrated our critical infrastructure and the wake up call for us.

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 2>And we've been talking about this for a while, but

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 2>there were at least two hundred examples, two hundred cases

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 2>where the Chinese have infiltrated things like our water treatment plants,

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 2>our electrical grids, transportation, hospitals, tallcom stuff like that. And

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 2>the information coming out is pretty sobering. And what they're

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>doing specifically, I mean, they're not hacking in and shutting

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 2>systems down. They're lying dormant. They have the access to

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 2>these systems, two hundred of them, which tells me if

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>you found two hundred, how many are out there that

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 2>we haven't found and they literally could shut things down. Now,

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>the question is where in Cincinnatif there's two hundred of

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>them or more, you think there's got to be one

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 2>near us? I mean, which small municipality is now infiltrated

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 2>by Chinese spyware that they can use against us if

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 2>they need to, and a coordinated tac for that matter.

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's frightening as hell. It was one of

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 2>the better things I think I've seen this year relative

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 2>to a nice piece of investigative journalism. Is we've heard

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 2>about that we've talked about and say, yeah, there's a

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of cases here. I mean, you know, somebody gets

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 2>in cattering health for example, just a few months ago

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 2>they had their issues, and it seems like every couple

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 2>of months there's one locally that this happens. But that's

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 2>just a bad state act. That's that's maybe not a

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>state act or maybe state sponsored, but someone just trying

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 2>to hold them hostage for money. This is a whole

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 2>different matter entirely. This is like national security and literally

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 2>shutting us down and our ability to function. Imagine what

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 2>it would happen if they could shut the water supply

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 2>now or poison our water because there's chemicals that treat

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 2>our water in small quantities, but in higher doses could

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 2>be fatal and we wouldn't know it until well was

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 2>actually happening. Absolutely fascinatingway. Chris na has is on that

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:18.280
<v Speaker 2>to talk about the real threat here and what's next

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 2>and now, if we detected this stuff, how do we

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 2>act against China? And maybe one of the other questions

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 2>here too is you know, if China's doing that to us,

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 2>are we doing that to China or other countries? Any

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 2>answers probably yes, probably, yes, we'll get a time out

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:36.359
<v Speaker 2>in we'll talk to him about this. If you didn't

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 2>see it last night, it certainly is compelling. And of

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 2>course President Trump is making the rounds I think in

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Egypt now or is about that to Egypt, is about

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:49.240
<v Speaker 2>to arrive there talking about the success of the Abraham

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Accords and what just happened between Palestine and Israel and

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 2>can we have lasting peace? And how long will be

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 2>before the United States is what we always do and

0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.760
<v Speaker 2>just simply forget about them and find something other shiny

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 2>ball or tennis ball to chase down the hall like

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 2>a golden retriever with add and ignore this and let

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 2>it all fall apart. We were really good, regardless the

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 2>administration at the time. We have a history of doing

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 2>these things. We'll get peace, We'll fight for it, fight

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>like dogs. We'll broker, we'll get all that good and

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 2>then we'll simply walk away, and then it all falls

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 2>apart and we do it over and over and over again. Anyway,

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 2>we got to get the news, and hopefully this is

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:29.400
<v Speaker 2>a piece that lasts much much longer than even pragmatists

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 2>like myself sick hope it lasts forever. It would be

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 2>a nice thing, wouldn't it the very least, And even

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>a suspension of this the killing, it's kind of refreshing

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>considering what's happened for the last two years. We'll do

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 2>news and more to follow slowly with you on this

0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Monday morning home of the best Bengals coverage seven hundred

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:48.320
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<v Speaker 1>You want to be an American?

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:51.319
<v Speaker 4>Go builds?

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Need one to night? Do you see Lost on Saturday?

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Or one on Saturday? The loss today on the Loss,

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:01.200
<v Speaker 2>of course, is Jim Kelly Junior passing away at seventy two.

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I've been fighting cancer a long time. I was enjoyed

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 2>listening to Jim along with Dan Horde for what the

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:11.879
<v Speaker 2>last twenty years as the color analyst for the UC Bearcats,

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 2>and just so sad to hear because he's such a

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 2>good guy. But our thoughts in pairs with the Jim

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:18.320
<v Speaker 2>and his family, everyone in the in the Bearcat family

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 2>as well. Sloane here on seven hundred WLW. If you

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 2>watch the Bengals last night, lose, but lose in a

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 2>better way. Typically what you do is you hang on

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 2>for a minute before you cut over to NBC and

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 2>watch our boy talk about well last night's gale. I

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 2>didn't say I've watched the whole thing in Kansas City

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 2>wind up winning last night, But you watch sixty minutes

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:45.959
<v Speaker 2>on CBS and you always catch like the first couple

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 2>of minutes. I thought last night they had a fascinating

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 2>story on about China our front of me. China has

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.879
<v Speaker 2>infiltrated some two hundred critical infrastructure operations in the US.

0:36:55.920 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Water treatment plants, electrical grids, transportation, hospitals, telecommunications. Pretty scary

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 2>stuff that the incursions, these intrusions have been going on

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 2>for a while now and we haven't done anything about it.

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.839
<v Speaker 2>Why because we're getting intel on what the Chinese may

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 2>or may not do as they can control some of

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 2>our critical infrastructure. We've talked about this before, but I

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:18.439
<v Speaker 2>think when you start to hear two hundred or more

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 2>facilities in America could be under Chinese control in a

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 2>couple of keystrokes. That is a huge wake up call,

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 2>going what if they're doing this on sixty minutes? We

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 2>know the government's known about it for a while, and

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 2>we're allowing this to continue. And what happens in the

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 2>future on that is that Chris naiheis. Chris is the

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 2>CEO of Vigilant Cybersecurity here in Cincinnati. Chris, welcome back, are.

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:43.560
<v Speaker 5>You, Hank Scott?

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great one. I'm well un till I saw

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 2>this thing last night after football the Bengals loss. I'm like, well, wait,

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.879
<v Speaker 2>what's going on here? So the idea here is that

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 2>China is lying dormant in two hundred these things. And

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:58.439
<v Speaker 2>I think it was like a small some small town

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 2>in Massachusets. I forget where that it turned out. The

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:04.439
<v Speaker 2>FBI shows up and tells the operator, the guy who's

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 2>in charge of it, Hey, listen, the Chinese have taken

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 2>control of your facility. You don't know that, but the

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Chinese have digital control of your facility. So we know

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 2>that everything now is plug and play and it's the

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Internet of things, and everything is controlled remotely in electronics.

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 2>And so before we branch off into what they're doing

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 2>and how they're doing it. A water treatment plant. What

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 2>could go wrong if the computers are under control of

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 2>the Chinese and a water treatment.

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:32.279
<v Speaker 7>Plant right sis the Littleton, Massachusetts, and a lot can

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:35.560
<v Speaker 7>go wrong. Actually, I mean inside these water treatment plants,

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 7>you have different vats of chemicals. Those chemicals are mixed

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:41.960
<v Speaker 7>together in different varying levels. You have fluoride, you have

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 7>all kinds of different things in there, chlorine, Those are

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 7>mixed together very precisely to make sure that the water

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 7>that we drink is clean, purified, it's refreshed.

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:51.919
<v Speaker 5>When it gets to us.

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 7>If those systems, or the chemical interactions or even just

0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 7>the mounts the measurements are put into water different only

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 7>it could be catastrophic. It can make our water undrinkable, penable,

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 7>It could be it could make poisonous.

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 5>Uh, there's there's a lot of.

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:12.760
<v Speaker 7>Different things that can happen inside a water treatment plant.

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 2>And that's just a small time. But imagine the masses

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 2>steria of a town of I don't know if that

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 2>ten twenty thousand people, If all of a sudden, your

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 2>water's poisonous, and we would know it because they program

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:24.280
<v Speaker 2>everything to make it look like the tests are fine.

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they do physical manual tests and

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 2>how often they do that, I don't know the workings

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 2>of water treatment. Plow would think so that somebody's going,

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 2>hey there's something with the right but it'd be too

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 2>late for some people who are drinking poison water.

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 5>That would be way too late.

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 7>And then the problem with the two is, I mean,

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 7>if you look at the way water works. We pump

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 7>water into our water towers, that creates the water pressure

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:47.479
<v Speaker 7>into our cities, but you have the entire system would

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.440
<v Speaker 7>be contaminated, and you know, it just makes even if

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:52.760
<v Speaker 7>even if no one drank it, even if the system

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:54.920
<v Speaker 7>was contaminated, you have you have a major problem. And

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:57.280
<v Speaker 7>to your point, you know they're doing so much automation.

0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 7>Now you know all all of the chemical you know,

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 7>you know the chemical measurements, the purification, it's all it's

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:07.839
<v Speaker 7>all automated. The testing is mostly automated. They do spot

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:09.880
<v Speaker 7>checks and things like that, but there's sensors throughout the

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 7>entire line that determine temperature. It determines if there's a

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 7>different chemicals. I mean, you've even seen recently where they

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 7>can see if COVID is spiking up inside you know,

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:25.760
<v Speaker 7>different cities because of what's coming in to waste treatment plants.

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 7>So there's there's a lot of different sensors there, but

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:32.880
<v Speaker 7>like you said, those sensors can be modified so that

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 7>that way it gives incorrect information and then people don't know.

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:38.880
<v Speaker 7>You know, the monitors aren't going to trigger off.

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.359
<v Speaker 2>It's something you can make boiling water look like it's

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 2>freezing water based on what the what the sensors are on,

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 2>to reprogram all that stuff, and no one to know

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>until it's all sadly too late and you got to

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:49.759
<v Speaker 2>shut it and down and figure out what's happening. And

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 2>that's just in one small town in Massachusetts, and then

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 2>there's at least one hundred and ninety nine others and

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:59.120
<v Speaker 2>other water treatment plants, but electrical goods, transportation, hospitals, all

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 2>these things I mentioned. And what's interesting about it is

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 2>or they said, there's about two hundred that they've identified

0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:07.520
<v Speaker 2>since twenty twenty three. I suspect, like anything, the two

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:09.320
<v Speaker 2>hundred the most obvious ones. How many more do you

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 2>think I are out there?

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:11.399
<v Speaker 5>Oh?

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 2>I would say in every critical city.

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:18.360
<v Speaker 7>We work a lot in critical infrastructure a lot of

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:22.200
<v Speaker 7>my background is in critical infrastructure, and you know, even

0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:26.759
<v Speaker 7>back in the early two thousands, I was working with

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:31.240
<v Speaker 7>COMMONI control systems and you could see that those systems

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 7>were trying to be attacked. And I would say that

0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 7>was my wake up call, that you know, wake up call,

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 7>But it was the moment I realized how evil this

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:43.359
<v Speaker 7>could be because in those situations, what we were seeing

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 7>is someone attacking back then or Windows ninety five systems,

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:50.320
<v Speaker 7>and they were attacking these really old operating system It was,

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:52.600
<v Speaker 7>you know, not old at the time, but these systems

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 7>were connected to these valves that could you know, from

0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:58.399
<v Speaker 7>the system, you could open a valve and it would

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 7>be a release valve. You could release ammonia or pneumonia

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 7>actually can melt people's lungs.

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:04.919
<v Speaker 2>So you know, when I saw that happen, like whoa

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:05.840
<v Speaker 2>wait a second.

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 7>And that's what really made me get into this industry

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 7>because for me, it's about making sure that we protect

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 7>the United States right, and one of the things we

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:16.320
<v Speaker 7>have to be really aware of is that we're not

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 7>doing a great job of it because.

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:20.320
<v Speaker 2>They're everywhere so well. The problem is this right we

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:25.080
<v Speaker 2>have decentralized unlike China, everything's centralized in China. Here it's decentralized.

0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 2>So you've got small municipalities, and I'm guessing that a

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of these two hundred chris are small municipalities that

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 2>don't have the budget. And you know, fifty grand to

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 2>them may not be a lot to the state of

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Ohio or the United States of America, but fifty grand

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.319
<v Speaker 2>to a small community is a lot of money. That's

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 2>what costs us one small town to redo all their

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 2>infrastructure to essentially make what the Chinese did moot. And

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 2>on top of that, you know, paying for new equipment

0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:54.880
<v Speaker 2>and getting taxpayers to fut the money for the latest

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:58.200
<v Speaker 2>and greatest servers and technology isn't always an easy sell.

0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 2>People don't make that connection until well, it's too late.

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 2>We don't want to spend that time. Why are we

0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.960
<v Speaker 2>spending more money. We just updated these computers and our

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 2>systems have been updated, and we don't need to do

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 2>that anywhere. Why are we spending so much on people like,

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 2>for example, the contract with vigil and cybersecurity. I mean,

0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 2>that's a huge cost item right there, and so we

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 2>tend to cut away all of that help and all

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 2>those people in safety Net and then something like this

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 2>happens and we want more of it.

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:26.600
<v Speaker 7>Well, see, here's the problem is that you and I'll

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 7>make some bold statements here. You know, we talked about

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 7>before you got to wonder you know why. You know,

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.320
<v Speaker 7>like the average time it takes to detect the threat.

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:38.279
<v Speaker 7>You know, Briising comes up with report every year. It's

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:40.400
<v Speaker 7>a great report. But the average time it takes the

0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:44.720
<v Speaker 7>detective threat today someone comes into your environment. The average

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.800
<v Speaker 7>time it takes for most cybersecurity technologies, right, this is

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:51.399
<v Speaker 7>the average, right, two and eighty seven days.

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 7>And so the biggest problem is that a lot of

0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:59.440
<v Speaker 7>companies are buying technology that seems to work because it's

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:01.880
<v Speaker 7>a brand name, we're a big no name, but it

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:05.279
<v Speaker 7>doesn't actually do what it's supposed to. And so you

0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 7>end up with the attackers and these environments that are

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.279
<v Speaker 7>there forever, and what they really want to do in

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 7>any warfare scenario is they want persistence. So what happens

0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:18.880
<v Speaker 7>is these attackers come in, they trigger an event so

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 7>that your security systems see it, you go do an

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 7>instant response. But what they're really doing is they're embedding

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:30.240
<v Speaker 7>themselves per persistence for later while they're triggering a fake incident,

0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 7>right or a real incident that you go work. The

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 7>second problem is that companies use their security technologies that

0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:41.799
<v Speaker 7>they use as badges, and the security companies that work

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 7>with them.

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:43.800
<v Speaker 5>Also use them as badges.

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 7>So what I mean by that is, you know, they'll

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:50.400
<v Speaker 7>put their logos up on their website, they'll you know,

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:52.320
<v Speaker 7>the security providers will do that. So that tells you

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 7>the hacker exactly what technology is used. And then the

0:44:56.239 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 7>third thing that happens, especially in these municipalities, is when

0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 7>they're buying things, they're buying things under committee or approval

0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 7>with their cities municipalities.

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Because it's and so those are all open meetings, and.

0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:13.400
<v Speaker 7>So if I'm a Chinese threat actor, I can come in,

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:16.400
<v Speaker 7>I can know exactly I mean, in the state of California,

0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 7>you can go out there's a law that.

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Requires them to do list.

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:20.880
<v Speaker 6>It lists everything.

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 7>Any city, every single technology they buy was from a

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:26.640
<v Speaker 7>cyber standpoint, is on a list, so they can an

0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 7>attacker can easily go to water treatment plant see exactly

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 7>what they use, and they just they just know how

0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 7>to attack them. So the you wrap all that up,

0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:38.359
<v Speaker 7>and I think here in the United States, we don't

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:43.320
<v Speaker 7>understand warfare in the private sector very well. And in

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:47.960
<v Speaker 7>China they do, and in Russia they do. Outside US

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:51.880
<v Speaker 7>they do. We just don't understand it here because we

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:55.880
<v Speaker 7>have US citizens are so comfortable with not interfacing with

0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:57.320
<v Speaker 7>evil right.

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, because we are commerce right and small businesses. We're

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:02.640
<v Speaker 2>we're business people, so we understand that we don't see

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 2>that as you know, the competition, but not in the

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 2>arena that the Chinese do because of that centralization element too.

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 2>And so Chris ninehis is here CEO of vigil and Cybersecurity,

0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 2>in the sixty Minutes thing last night that there's some

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>two hundred plus critical infrastructure operations. We're talking electrical, we're

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:20.799
<v Speaker 2>talking water treatment plants and the like that essentially are

0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 2>under Chinese control. And so what they did is they've

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:27.399
<v Speaker 2>infiltrated that infrastructure and now they're just laying dormant. They're

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:29.800
<v Speaker 2>not shutting it down like some I don't know, if

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 2>you have malware, which we've talked about before in the past,

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 2>right you shut them down cattering health for example, pay

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 2>me my money and I'll open everything back up. Or

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:40.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe not. Some other actor gets in there and just

0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 2>wants to be disruptive and destroy things and shut it

0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:46.200
<v Speaker 2>down and put some sort of political or anti state

0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:48.400
<v Speaker 2>message on whatever it might be. We've seen that this

0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.360
<v Speaker 2>is different. They're actually lying in wait. It's like a

0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:54.439
<v Speaker 2>trojan horse. They're watching what you're doing online. They're watching

0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 2>the systems that you have in place, and in the

0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:58.880
<v Speaker 2>future if they need to, when they need to, when

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 2>they will, they will strike by doing all the stuff

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 2>we talked about and multiply that by hundreds more. And

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.480
<v Speaker 2>you've got real problems here in America that they're sitting

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:09.200
<v Speaker 2>there just watching and wait and lying dormant, and our

0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 2>own infrastructure and most of us have no idea they're there.

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, right, And the reason you know, you and you know,

0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 7>we don't know all the details of Littleton, but you

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:20.200
<v Speaker 7>know we spent fifty thousand dollars to rebuild his network.

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:22.440
<v Speaker 7>I would say he didn't really he may not have

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 7>actually even had to do that if he had the

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:28.480
<v Speaker 7>ability to see what was what was embedded. As in

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 7>this environment, you don't have to swap out all of

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 7>your systems, but if you don't have the ability to

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:34.680
<v Speaker 7>see what's there, then you do.

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:35.839
<v Speaker 2>You have to start all over.

0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 7>But the big problem there is he may not know

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:40.759
<v Speaker 7>how they actually got in, so he may have just

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:42.920
<v Speaker 7>rebuilt his entire environment. And this happens with a lot

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 7>of companies. I'm not saying that Littleton did this, but

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.880
<v Speaker 7>they'll rebuild their whole environment. They don't know exactly how

0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:49.680
<v Speaker 7>the actor got in, and then they get in again

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:50.879
<v Speaker 7>and they just wasted all that money.

0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, yeah, you know. And yeah, right.

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:56.520
<v Speaker 7>The other thing too, Scott, that happens and this is

0:47:57.280 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 7>this happens with a lot of our power generators. A

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:03.080
<v Speaker 7>lot of does come from China, right, they have a

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 7>better you know, the transformers, things like that, they have

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 7>a year and a half way time to get those

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:12.200
<v Speaker 7>We've already found you know, when they when those things

0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 7>have come in. Not we vigilant, but you know particularly

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:19.240
<v Speaker 7>but you as government has found that there's malware inside

0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 7>those systems already. Right, Uh, just straight out, straight straight

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:26.560
<v Speaker 7>coming over. So the thing that we we just have

0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 7>to be a lot more aware of is that, uh,

0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 7>you know, we're going down a path that we have

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:34.440
<v Speaker 7>all these.

0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Back doors in a critical confrastruction.

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 7>Now I'll say this, now we have that as well, right,

0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 7>so you know, we do the same thing around the world,

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:44.640
<v Speaker 7>you know, and we're doing that's so that's what I

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 7>went here, is like, well, we're doing it too, but

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:48.439
<v Speaker 7>it doesn't make it better.

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.560
<v Speaker 2>No, No, because I guess on our side, Yeah, I

0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:53.000
<v Speaker 2>think for us to be embedded.

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:53.640
<v Speaker 6>Over there, totally get it.

0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:54.239
<v Speaker 5>We want to.

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:56.880
<v Speaker 7>It's like an arms race, right, who could be embedded

0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.440
<v Speaker 7>the most, because in any case, it's whoever can hit

0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 7>the button for right and and there's a couple of

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:05.800
<v Speaker 7>different things that can take place in that. But the

0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:09.080
<v Speaker 7>big thing is to realize is that you know, this,

0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 7>this is a this is the hidden war, and cyber

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 7>warfare has already happened. We're already in that, but you know,

0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 7>most of us don't realize it. And in the critical

0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:21.400
<v Speaker 7>infrastructure world or even the you know, the small business,

0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 7>medium sized business world in the United States, it makes

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:26.279
<v Speaker 7>up like eighty percent of our financial distability here in

0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:29.759
<v Speaker 7>the US. And so if you want to take out hospitals,

0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:32.239
<v Speaker 7>go and bed yourself in hospitals. You want to take

0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:34.480
<v Speaker 7>out water, go and bed yourself in water. You want

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:36.880
<v Speaker 7>to take out the financial sector the United States, go

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:39.600
<v Speaker 7>after small medium sized businesses that normally don't have the

0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 7>protection they need, right, right, And then you just took

0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:44.040
<v Speaker 7>down the entire country.

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:46.520
<v Speaker 2>And you do it with some keystrokes. You don't fire

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 2>one shot, but you do it remotely via computer. So

0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 2>we had two hundred of these infrastructure operations that were

0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:56.120
<v Speaker 2>a compromise orright, and now it's on sixty minutes. And

0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:58.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing that the Chinese have known that We've known

0:49:58.160 --> 0:49:59.880
<v Speaker 2>about this for a while before it gets on sick

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:00.839
<v Speaker 2>teams for sure.

0:50:01.120 --> 0:50:01.279
<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:04.800
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, in the month, in the months that that's happened,

0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 2>where our years even where they're exposed that and moved.

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:09.279
<v Speaker 2>What's that? What's happening right now as we speak? Then

0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:12.640
<v Speaker 2>more of the same, less of the same or a

0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:17.040
<v Speaker 2>different same. Oh, it's more the same.

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:19.560
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean it's you know the Yeah, it's just

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 7>it just continues on and inside these environments that's where

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:26.839
<v Speaker 7>worker happens. We found this was a couple of years back,

0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:30.800
<v Speaker 7>we found a Chinese threature group that bounced through the

0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 7>United States UH entity out to another country, right, And

0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:36.920
<v Speaker 7>what they were trying to make it look like is

0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:39.520
<v Speaker 7>that the attack was coming from the United States to

0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:43.320
<v Speaker 7>that other country. So the you know, you have that

0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:46.000
<v Speaker 7>issue as well, is where you know, China will act

0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:49.000
<v Speaker 7>like Russia, russill act like China ran axt right like Russia.

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:51.080
<v Speaker 7>You know, you're trying to really tie it back to

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:55.120
<v Speaker 7>whoever is actually really attacking, right, But the big key

0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:57.759
<v Speaker 7>here and you you mentioned as well, you mentioned kettering health. Right,

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 7>We've seen significant aspects where malware is you know, in

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:09.800
<v Speaker 7>ransomware is used to come into an environment, create a distraction,

0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 7>and then allow people to be embedded. And most, like

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 7>I was saying, most security technology out there is built

0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 7>to detect things that it knows about, not to always

0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:24.120
<v Speaker 7>detect things that are unknown. So if you can attack

0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:27.560
<v Speaker 7>someone embed yourself in a way that isn't known yet

0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:30.040
<v Speaker 7>or isn't detectable yet.

0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 2>You can hide and wait.

0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:35.480
<v Speaker 7>And especially if it's like a you know, in a

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 7>triggered thing that's based on a timer, like maybe that

0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:42.640
<v Speaker 7>connection reaches back out every month or every two months.

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 7>You know, it's a single ping in the midst of

0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:50.080
<v Speaker 7>millions of connections. It's really hard to find. So, you know,

0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:53.279
<v Speaker 7>a lot of the ransomware or malware, those are the

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:55.680
<v Speaker 7>things like if you're in an organization you've had ransomware

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:59.759
<v Speaker 7>or malware, just fighting that is not the end of

0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:02.879
<v Speaker 7>your battle. You now have to comb through your infrastructure

0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:05.719
<v Speaker 7>and find out is there a back door that was

0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:09.560
<v Speaker 7>put in during that attack? Because you know, ransomware, like

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:11.360
<v Speaker 7>I said, is being used a lot. Is just that

0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 7>distraction now and you know and also too it's funding terrorism.

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:17.360
<v Speaker 7>You know, they just put these groups do they come in,

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:20.040
<v Speaker 7>they do ransomware, they found terrorism, they create a backdoor,

0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:23.840
<v Speaker 7>and now they're embedded h and they'll be to continued

0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:25.640
<v Speaker 7>can and mouse game like this. And in the fear

0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:28.239
<v Speaker 7>of course, is one day if if we are at

0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 7>odds and a war with the Chinese or whatever transpire,

0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:33.800
<v Speaker 7>they they can shut down a significant portion of of

0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:36.560
<v Speaker 7>what it is we have our infrastructure.

0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 2>And if you tease WI, will they be able to

0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:39.120
<v Speaker 2>execute that plan?

0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 7>I mean, I think we're already seeing some of that.

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:45.320
<v Speaker 7>I think Colonial Pipeline was a good example of that.

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 7>You know a few years ago, and I talked about that.

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 7>You know, there were you know, there's there's inside of

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:54.760
<v Speaker 7>these pipelines, there's sensors. You can take over the sensors,

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.800
<v Speaker 7>you can heat them up and explode the pipeline. You know,

0:52:58.280 --> 0:53:01.800
<v Speaker 7>like I said earlier, money control system, water water treatment plants.

0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:04.200
<v Speaker 5>I think when we when we see these.

0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:08.399
<v Speaker 7>Isolated attacks, you know, quote unquote isolated attacks, I think

0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 7>that those are just tests, right, I think they're hey,

0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:12.480
<v Speaker 7>how far can we go?

0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 5>Right?

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:16.439
<v Speaker 7>I mean we and again you see those things happen

0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:18.480
<v Speaker 7>around the world. I think we do our own tests also,

0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:22.040
<v Speaker 7>you know, uh, you know, but you know, and it's

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.759
<v Speaker 7>just to show each other, Hey, I'm here and I

0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:29.000
<v Speaker 7>can do that. But I think in the United States

0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 7>we have to be much more careful and aware that

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:39.120
<v Speaker 7>just putting the security technology in doesn't mean that it's

0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:42.520
<v Speaker 7>going to find what we're actually looking for. And we

0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:46.800
<v Speaker 7>have to be much more educated as business owners into

0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:51.080
<v Speaker 7>what is really happening in our environments, especially if we

0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:53.799
<v Speaker 7>support companies like a General Electric. You know, if you're

0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:55.719
<v Speaker 7>a city, if you're a community, a business here in

0:53:55.760 --> 0:54:01.120
<v Speaker 7>Cincinnati that supports General Electric, highly likely you're going to

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:03.359
<v Speaker 7>get attacked before they will, because they'll try to come

0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:05.759
<v Speaker 7>through you to get to them, right ye uh, you know,

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:08.719
<v Speaker 7>Especially if you're an HVAC company or you're a you know,

0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:12.279
<v Speaker 7>you're you're you're you're you're building plans for them, you know,

0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:15.920
<v Speaker 7>to build out a facility or whatever. Highly likely you're

0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:19.720
<v Speaker 7>you're going to get attacked. If you are a business

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:23.160
<v Speaker 7>that creates a part for you know, a defense industry

0:54:23.440 --> 0:54:27.440
<v Speaker 7>or for uh parttery gamble, right, that's really critical to

0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:28.959
<v Speaker 7>their system, chances are you're.

0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Going to be attacked and and so got it. You

0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:33.280
<v Speaker 2>have to be a lot more hyper aware.

0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:33.880
<v Speaker 5>You know that?

0:54:34.280 --> 0:54:34.759
<v Speaker 8>That what?

0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:35.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:39.000
<v Speaker 2>So god he's Chris and I Hi, CEO of Sincidate

0:54:39.040 --> 0:54:42.919
<v Speaker 2>based Vigilant Cybersecurity. Go to the CBS or sixty minutes

0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:45.000
<v Speaker 2>so you can watch this whole piece. It really is fascinating,

0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:48.120
<v Speaker 2>uh in how embedded the Chinese air system? Chris, all

0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:51.359
<v Speaker 2>the best, thanks again, thank you, Scott, all right, being well,

0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:53.480
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0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:22.600
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0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:25.080
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<v Speaker 9>Hey, everything's great?

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<v Speaker 6>How about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Everything's fine? Thank you? We overthinking things?

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<v Speaker 5>Wait?

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<v Speaker 2>I think do most people tend to be overthinking? It

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<v Speaker 2>seems like very few people are, like Trump, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>watching the motorcade arrive in Egypt for the peace summit,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a guy who's very decisive, right, we love

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<v Speaker 2>him or hate him. You look at him, go, he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna make a decision. He's gonna go this is it.

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<v Speaker 2>And even if it's the wrong decision, I'll never admit that.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, I make a decision. I'm moving on to

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<v Speaker 2>something else. Very few people have that ability, don't they?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, And I'm not sure that we would want a

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<v Speaker 10>whole lot of people to be that that decily decisive, right, right?

0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:18.640
<v Speaker 10>We kind of want people who give things some thought

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<v Speaker 10>and some consideration and an appropriate amount of due diligence

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<v Speaker 10>and research. But there are people who tend to be

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<v Speaker 10>more decisive slash impulsive, and people who tend to be

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<v Speaker 10>more conscientious slash overthinkers slash anxious, And that's sort of

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<v Speaker 10>what we're talking about today. I tend to fall on

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<v Speaker 10>the more decisive impulsive end of the spectrum.

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<v Speaker 9>How about you?

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<v Speaker 2>I have no It depends on the day, depends on

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<v Speaker 2>the situation. Like there's some things I want to do,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like long term, but other stuff keep getting in

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<v Speaker 2>the way of me doing that. Or maybe that's an excuse.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I go, well, I got all this

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<v Speaker 2>other I want to do this, this, and this, but

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't done it in a while because I've got

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<v Speaker 2>all this other stuff going on. Well, how do you

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<v Speaker 2>categorize that?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, So, is that being too busy or is that

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<v Speaker 10>getting stuck in a loop inside your head and not

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<v Speaker 10>moving off square one because you're thinking too hard about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably probably a lot of Probably a lot of it. Like, yeah,

0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:17.480
<v Speaker 2>it's busy, but it's like I have an excuse. It's

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<v Speaker 2>cover right, is it not doing something going I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I should do this, but I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 2>really want to do it. And maybe that's Also part

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<v Speaker 2>of it too, is just as meaning you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>other than saying no, it's just not right for me,

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<v Speaker 2>you can procrastinate more and pretend to be I'm too

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<v Speaker 2>busy to be decisive.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, So overthinking can lead to procrastination, and procrastination can

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<v Speaker 10>partly be caused by overthinking. There are other reasons people procrastinate,

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<v Speaker 10>But when we're talking about overthinking, what we're really talking

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<v Speaker 10>about is people who get stuck in this loop inside

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<v Speaker 10>their head and have a hard time making any kind

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<v Speaker 10>of remove on a topic or in any area of

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<v Speaker 10>their life because they're thinking through all of the what ifs,

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<v Speaker 10>all of the worst case scenarios. They're doing research on

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<v Speaker 10>every possible option out there, and as we know, there

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<v Speaker 10>are a million billion possible options in the.

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<v Speaker 9>World for almost anything we want. And these are people

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<v Speaker 9>who just get stuck and can't seem to.

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<v Speaker 10>Move and get so worked up about any decision they

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<v Speaker 10>make and at having to be perfect or go exactly

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<v Speaker 10>right that they end up not doing things that they

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<v Speaker 10>otherwise would want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what you're saying is it's pretty common to

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<v Speaker 2>have those things. Whereas there's things in life, a few

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<v Speaker 2>things where you're like, I'll just kick the cad and

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<v Speaker 2>then it starts to encompass everything in life. Can't make

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<v Speaker 2>a decision on like you know what flavor coffee I

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<v Speaker 2>want this morning, or if I'm super solid with by Lodge.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't make a decision on anything. That's a problem.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, I have a client I've been working with for

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<v Speaker 10>a while, a couple, and one of them is stuck

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<v Speaker 10>on what they're going to tile their bathroom with. And

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<v Speaker 10>their bathroom has been in a state of disrepair for

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<v Speaker 10>weeks and weeks and weeks because she can't make up

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<v Speaker 10>her mind about what Kyle to put in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 10>She always has to look at other options and what

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<v Speaker 10>if there's something better out there, and what if this

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<v Speaker 10>doesn't hold up as well? Or what if I get

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<v Speaker 10>tired of the color, And so their bathroom has been

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<v Speaker 10>largely unusable for weeks, longer than it needed to be

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<v Speaker 10>because she can't commit to a tile choice.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that kind of thing, easy, black and white, timeless next.

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<v Speaker 9>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 10>See, that's where your decisive, That's where I would be decisive.

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<v Speaker 10>That's where somebody who's prone to overthinking get stuck in

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<v Speaker 10>a loop about it.

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<v Speaker 9>Needing to be the right decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 9>And not knowing what the right decision is.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no right decision. Just pick one and go with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just go yeah, just to do something simple and the

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<v Speaker 2>time white and black always will be timeless.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to get in like gold colored, then

0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:48.439
<v Speaker 2>that's that's going to be short shelf life. But black

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<v Speaker 2>and white will always be in at some point. So

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<v Speaker 2>where does that come from though? Why does it happen?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 10>People who are prone to anxiety and prone to be

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<v Speaker 10>more conscient just tend to be overthinkers. And we understand

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<v Speaker 10>that that's a temperament that comes very early in life,

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<v Speaker 10>almost from birth, the tendency toward anxiety and conscientiousness. But

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<v Speaker 10>also there have been people whose past life experiences have

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<v Speaker 10>led them to believe that making the wrong decision has

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<v Speaker 10>really awful consequences. And like parents who would say regularly,

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<v Speaker 10>what were you thinking? Why didn't you think that through enough?

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<v Speaker 10>It would have gone so much better if you thought

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<v Speaker 10>that through. Maybe true, But also what that message is

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<v Speaker 10>is if you think hard enough, you'll find the right

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<v Speaker 10>decision and things won't go wrong versus Okay, so this

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<v Speaker 10>went wrong.

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<v Speaker 9>What can you do differently next time? How can you

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<v Speaker 9>salvage this?

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<v Speaker 10>Not about the recovery, but about presenting it in the

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<v Speaker 10>first place. So people who've had life experiences that weren't

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<v Speaker 10>really badly when they didn't think things through enough tend

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<v Speaker 10>to be gunshy.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, because there's consequences fear of failure.

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<v Speaker 10>Fear of failure exactly, lack of belief in self to

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<v Speaker 10>be able to deal with whatever consequences come their way.

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<v Speaker 10>So one of the things that I say often is

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<v Speaker 10>I'm an adult with a cell phone and a credit card.

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<v Speaker 10>I can make almost anything happen. And you know, really,

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<v Speaker 10>I can make almost anything happen. So from my perspective,

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<v Speaker 10>if something doesn't go according to plan, I can regroup,

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<v Speaker 10>I can think, I can pivot, I.

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<v Speaker 9>Can come up with something else.

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<v Speaker 10>That's my perception. But other people don't necessarily have that mindset.

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<v Speaker 10>And if they don't believe in themselves to be able

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<v Speaker 10>to pivot, and they haven't had enough failure to learn

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<v Speaker 10>that they actually can recover from it, the idea of

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<v Speaker 10>failure can prevent them from taking any kind of action

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<v Speaker 10>in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you just had a raw nerve there talking to

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<v Speaker 2>friends this weekend and one of them's involved. And I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say the business and name names here, but

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<v Speaker 2>we have a generation of people in the workplace and

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<v Speaker 2>high level positions there are a fear of any criticism whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 2>Like as much as like, hey, you know you've got

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong aim on I don't know, some sort of report,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say, and you know, they lose their mind, like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I've been criticized, and now they call

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<v Speaker 2>Nochelle and hr is involved. I mean, I'm not exaggerating,

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<v Speaker 2>that's actually happening. And that's frightening. Like literally, you're at

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<v Speaker 2>a job and you're meeting with people and someone your

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<v Speaker 2>superior says, hey, listen, you made a mistake on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you fix it? And it turns into some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of attack on their big can't take criticism at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've got workplaces full of people like that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>scary as hell. Not to diminish the topicing get in

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<v Speaker 2>the weeds here, but that's more common than people would think.

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<v Speaker 9>It's very common.

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<v Speaker 10>And when you have a workplace that values perfectionism over innovation,

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<v Speaker 10>over novelty, over experimentation, over doing something imperfect, in a

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<v Speaker 10>timely manner and moving forward. Then it creates and sustains

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<v Speaker 10>this belief that everything has to be exactly as expected

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<v Speaker 10>in order for it to be good, and the consequences

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<v Speaker 10>are dire if not. And again, if you have someone

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<v Speaker 10>or a generation of people who haven't really been allowed

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<v Speaker 10>to fail because they were raised by helicopter parents or

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<v Speaker 10>snowplow parents, then the idea of failure becomes outsized to

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<v Speaker 10>the reality of it. You know, we've all screwed things

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<v Speaker 10>up and we've all had to pivot and make amends

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<v Speaker 10>and figure it out. But the idea of failure becomes

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<v Speaker 10>so outsized to the reality of it that they get

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<v Speaker 10>stuck in their heads on this endless loop of I

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<v Speaker 10>have to do more research, I have to do more research,

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<v Speaker 10>I have to read this again, I have to edit

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<v Speaker 10>this again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it doesn't have to be perfect, but you got

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<v Speaker 2>to make a decision. Julie, how to share our licensed

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<v Speaker 2>mental health therapist, Mental Health Monday and the Scotsloan Show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's paralysis by analysis. People will overthink and how you

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<v Speaker 2>stop overthinking and take action as what we're talking about. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so we got into the whys and how big it

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<v Speaker 2>is how do you break the cycle?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, there are a couple of things you can do.

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<v Speaker 9>There are a few things.

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<v Speaker 10>One of the things that I really like to counsel

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<v Speaker 10>people to do is set a time limit for when

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<v Speaker 10>you're going to make a decision. I'm going to research so,

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<v Speaker 10>to use the tile example, I'm going to research tile

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<v Speaker 10>over the weekend, and by Monday, I'm going to have a.

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<v Speaker 9>Decision that is placed in order.

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<v Speaker 10>So set yourself a time limit that you choose to

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<v Speaker 10>adhere to that gives you some sense of urgency, gives

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<v Speaker 10>you some time to do the research and the thinking

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<v Speaker 10>that you need.

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<v Speaker 9>But doesn't keep you stuck in that loop.

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<v Speaker 10>Another thing that can really be helpful is focusing on

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<v Speaker 10>just the next step. People who overthink tend to think

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<v Speaker 10>seventeen steps down the road. So I'll do this, and

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<v Speaker 10>then i'll do this, and then I'll go like this,

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<v Speaker 10>and then I'll go like this, and they're trying to

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<v Speaker 10>predict the outcome. Focusing on the next step. We don't

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<v Speaker 10>need to see the whole ladder. We don't need to

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<v Speaker 10>see the whole road. We just need to take the

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<v Speaker 10>next step up or down the road can be really

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<v Speaker 10>helpful too, because that is a more manageable chunk of

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<v Speaker 10>information and a more manageable chunk action for people to

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<v Speaker 10>deal with then the entire project. You know the question,

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<v Speaker 10>how do you need an elephant one bite at a time.

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<v Speaker 10>You have to just take these small chunks that can

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<v Speaker 10>be helpful too, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Break things down in yeah. Like the tile example is like, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just focus on the floor tile. Let's pick that

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<v Speaker 2>and go out for it rather than everything else.

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<v Speaker 9>Got it right, exactly.

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<v Speaker 10>Another thing that happens when people get into this overthinking

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<v Speaker 10>anxiety loop is they think worst case scenario and they

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<v Speaker 10>think of all the things that could go wrong. And

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<v Speaker 10>so what we know about our brains is if try

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<v Speaker 10>not to think of the things that could go wrong.

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<v Speaker 10>If we're wired to think worst case scenario and we

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<v Speaker 10>try not to, that doesn't work very well. So what

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<v Speaker 10>I tell my clients to do is you're allowed to

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<v Speaker 10>think of the worst case scenario, and then you have

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<v Speaker 10>to think of at least three other things that are

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<v Speaker 10>not the worst case scenario. So go worst case first,

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<v Speaker 10>and then broaden your thinking to think of three other

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<v Speaker 10>possible outcomes that aren't that. Just to broaden the idea

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<v Speaker 10>that it could be this, but it could be this,

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<v Speaker 10>or it could be the other, or it could be

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<v Speaker 10>this other thing.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, broadening that scope helps.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So also does the fact that if you just

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<v Speaker 2>make a bunch of small decisions that then do you

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<v Speaker 2>get confidence making bigger decisions.

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<v Speaker 5>Does it work that way, Yes, yes it does.

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<v Speaker 10>So you build momentum, you do something and it goes right,

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<v Speaker 10>and you realize, oh, I am a good decision maker.

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<v Speaker 9>I can figure this out. You do something else it

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<v Speaker 9>goes right.

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<v Speaker 3>I can.

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<v Speaker 10>Or you do something and it goes wrong and you

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<v Speaker 10>figure it out and you fix it and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 10>when things go wrong, it's not as bad as I

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<v Speaker 10>thought it was. You build confidence in your own decision

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<v Speaker 10>making and your own problem solving.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha? Would you agree that? I think for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of folks that overthink and don't take action, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot a lot of people, is that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to have every detail in every angle completely figured

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<v Speaker 2>out before you start a project.

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<v Speaker 9>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 10>You can figure out some key things and then let

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<v Speaker 10>what happens happen and figure the rest of it out

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<v Speaker 10>as you go along. And I tell people to think

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<v Speaker 10>about it not as what should I do. But what

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<v Speaker 10>are all the things I could do?

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<v Speaker 9>Not how should I do this? But how could I

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<v Speaker 9>do this?

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<v Speaker 10>Because should is like a yes no, and could is

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<v Speaker 10>a broader perspective to take.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it makes sense, you don't need to figure it

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<v Speaker 2>out where start going ahead?

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<v Speaker 6>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Why not go with that for now? But it's easier

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<v Speaker 2>said than done, right, It's that first step is really

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<v Speaker 2>really hard for people.

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<v Speaker 10>It can be really hard for people, and that's why

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<v Speaker 10>I encourage people to microdose discomfort. Try doing some things

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<v Speaker 10>that are small that make you a little uncomfortable, that

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<v Speaker 10>move you just a skosh out of your comfort zone,

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<v Speaker 10>and see how you handle it. Try to increase your

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<v Speaker 10>tolerance for uncertainty and discomfort and messiness in your life

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<v Speaker 10>so that you can become more resilient and you can

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<v Speaker 10>think more broadly and you can have more options available

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<v Speaker 10>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's I guess discomfort. Yeah, well, that's against

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<v Speaker 2>human nature rights. We want to be surrounded by comfort,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the whole thing with child rearing. When we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about helicopters and plot parents, it's about making your

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<v Speaker 2>life comfortable as comfortable as possible. But adversity builds character.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so true but it also prepares you to make decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are the really negative consequences of that attitude

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<v Speaker 2>of protecting you from everything and not preparing you for anything.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, there's this thing called post traumatic growth. We've all

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<v Speaker 10>heard of post traumatic stress. There's this thing called post

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<v Speaker 10>traumatic growth where when something goes wrong doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 10>be big trauma. When something goes wrong in our lives,

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<v Speaker 10>we can.

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<v Speaker 9>Grow from that.

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<v Speaker 10>We can gain resilience, we can gain confidence, we can

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<v Speaker 10>gain skills or knowledge or expe can gain a lot

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<v Speaker 10>from when things go wrong.

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<v Speaker 9>We don't just gain from when things go right.

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<v Speaker 10>In fact, some of the greatest lessons most of us

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<v Speaker 10>have learned have been when something didn't go according to plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, she's really had ter share a licensed mental health

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<v Speaker 2>therapist from a be Connected dot Care that's let her

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<v Speaker 2>be connected and she's out of a Clifton and going

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<v Speaker 2>to reach out future topic or concern, comment or question.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Julie at be Connected dot Care. It's mental Health

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<v Speaker 2>Monday with Julietge. Appreciate you and we'll talk next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great a few days. We will take care.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks all right, stop overthinking and get off your butt

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<v Speaker 2>and start doing stuff. Quit talking, start doing. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that's the bottom line here. We'll get a news update

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<v Speaker 2>in the President is now in Egypt for the pe

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<v Speaker 2>summit there, and so far, so good in the hours

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<v Speaker 2>that have happened since the piece has been brokere we

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<v Speaker 2>have that going on a little closer to home here

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<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati, we just learned about the passing not long

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<v Speaker 2>ago of the live of the legend himself, Jim Kelly Junior,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, Bearcat Hall of Famer, passing away. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of seventy two, been battling sickness for

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<v Speaker 2>a while. But the longtime color analyst to Dan Horde's

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<v Speaker 2>play by play, he's been out for a little while anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>but he'll be sadly missed. Jim Kelly Junior passing away today,

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<v Speaker 2>and our thoughts and prayers with the Kelly family and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone down on Clifton this morning. Scott's loan show on

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<v Speaker 2>the Home of the Best Bangles coverage Anne Home of

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<v Speaker 2>the Cats, seven hundred WWD Sincnt.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to be American.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott's flowing back on seven hundred WLW have a deal Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Israel and Palestine have a peace deal. All the living

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<v Speaker 2>hostages in Gaza been released for about two thousand prisoners

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<v Speaker 2>in Israel, Thousands of Palestinians to walk to northern Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>to try and find what happened to their loved ones

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<v Speaker 2>and their homes. And Trump addressed the Israeli parliament earlier

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<v Speaker 2>today to large cheers. Also, some protests are brokering the

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<v Speaker 2>peace deal entering two years of wards, then the two

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<v Speaker 2>years of war. He's meeting in Egypt with the leaders

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<v Speaker 2>of more than twenty countries. That's with next as he

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<v Speaker 2>takes as much as their victory lap. The question is

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<v Speaker 2>is this a lasting piece. Abdullah Hayek is a Middle

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<v Speaker 2>East analyst and consultant and is a peace fellow at

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<v Speaker 2>the Young Voices. Abdulla, welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 5>How are you good morning, Scott, Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing good. How are you well?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks? I appreciate it. So is this just is this

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the war or is this a loud

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<v Speaker 2>ceasefire and we're going to pick this up in a

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks, a few months, maybe a few years.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, so far it seems that the war in Gaza

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<v Speaker 5>is indefinitely over. We've seen Trump's confidence apparent when he

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<v Speaker 5>was addressing the press aboard Air Force one en route

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<v Speaker 5>to Israel, and a reporter I believe it was Caitlin

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<v Speaker 5>Collins from CNN asked the president, you say the war's done.

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<v Speaker 5>Nataniello says it hasn't, and it just tells her, do

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<v Speaker 5>you understand me, it's done. It's just done. The war

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<v Speaker 5>is done. So it seems that the president is pretty

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<v Speaker 5>adamant that he wants to end the war in Gaza,

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<v Speaker 5>and so far, with the three past ceasefire attempts over

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<v Speaker 5>the past two years, this particular ceasefire seems to be

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<v Speaker 5>successful because Hamas has actually participated and budged and went

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<v Speaker 5>through with at least the first successful phase one of it. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 5>the twenty living hostages are freed. Now that's the first step.

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<v Speaker 5>The Israeli hostilities, the offensive operations, bombing, military participation in

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<v Speaker 5>the strip have ended, and the humanitarian car door has proceeded.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think what matters now is within the next

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<v Speaker 5>few hours when Trump departs Israel and goes to Egypt

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<v Speaker 5>and meets with twenty other world leaders as you just mentioned,

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<v Speaker 5>and we'll see what the next steps will be. But

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<v Speaker 5>so far, so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the good news is you have pretty much the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the Middle East on board with this. The outlier, though,

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<v Speaker 2>would be Iran as the largest state sponsored terrorist operation

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<v Speaker 2>in Iran, whether or not not Hamas continues, albeit maybe

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<v Speaker 2>in a different form, but continues. That's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>up to them, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well. I doubt that Hamas will play any role in

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<v Speaker 5>god As any day after this. The popularity amongst the

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<v Speaker 5>Gazen people themselves has extremely diminished. They are extremely unpopular,

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<v Speaker 5>They are unwanted. Iran has shown its cards to the

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<v Speaker 5>region that whoever seeks to shade under it really gets forsaken.

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<v Speaker 5>Hamas has been literally left to center itself Hasbola has

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<v Speaker 5>been destroyed by Israel without any real aid from Iran.

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<v Speaker 5>The outside regime, as we've seen in December, just crumbled

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<v Speaker 5>in a matter of eleven days, and the Hoopies have

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<v Speaker 5>literally been smacked by everyone in the region and Iran

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<v Speaker 5>hasn't done anything. The only time Iran fights back is

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<v Speaker 5>what it's hit itself. So I don't think that Iranian

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<v Speaker 5>influence over Hamas is going to be as it was

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<v Speaker 5>prior to October seventh, And I think the Palestinian people

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<v Speaker 5>will right now understand that really piece is just the

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<v Speaker 5>best way to move forward and end all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just wonder if there'll be enough splinter members

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<v Speaker 2>left of a mass, maybe they reform down the line

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<v Speaker 2>is something else, But you know, at least temporarily with

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<v Speaker 2>the near future, things look good, Abdulla Hayek relative to

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<v Speaker 2>peace in that country that we've seen on and off

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<v Speaker 2>again now well longer than we've both been here for sure?

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<v Speaker 2>How much of this as far as the trust element,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's really the big thing here, right, is that

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<v Speaker 2>people are just maybe what ended this whole thing is fatigue.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, fatigue is certain. This war is the longest that

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<v Speaker 5>Israel has ever been in Israel, you know, usually goes

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<v Speaker 5>to war for weeks or months, not for years. I

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<v Speaker 5>think trust is a two way street. If the war

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<v Speaker 5>truly wants to end, both sides need to trust each other.

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<v Speaker 5>If we see a pattern developed within this conflict, we

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<v Speaker 5>can see that every three major peace deal breakthrough usually

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<v Speaker 5>succeeds a major war. We've seen the Camp David Accords

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<v Speaker 5>succeed the Yom Kipur war. We've seen the Also Accords

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<v Speaker 5>succeed the First Intifada. So right now. I think with

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<v Speaker 5>this war being so destructive and you know, groundbreaking and

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<v Speaker 5>changing the landscape, I think there's an opportunity right now,

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<v Speaker 5>with fatigue, with the determination to solve the conflict, with

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<v Speaker 5>with everything you could possibly imagine, to actually come through

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<v Speaker 5>with a peace deal that will not just end this

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<v Speaker 5>chapter of the conflict, but the whole conflict. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think it would be best with if it's stayed within

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<v Speaker 5>the two state solution in some way or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it seems like it's headed that way. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>that in a second. But as far as initially earning

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<v Speaker 2>the trost I guess of each other, the Israelis as

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<v Speaker 2>well as Palestinians, says I would think like humanitarian aid

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<v Speaker 2>would be a big component of this. Is that if

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<v Speaker 2>we're delivering food and we're not just the US but Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have actual Israelis that and boots on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground they're delivering food and water and medical spies helping

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<v Speaker 2>them rebuild Gaza, doesn't that go a long way to

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<v Speaker 2>lasting peace.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's definitely a gesture of goodwill. It's much needed, actually,

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<v Speaker 5>especially with the high chance of salmon that were on

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<v Speaker 5>the strip. I think that The initiative on behalf of

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<v Speaker 5>the Americans and the Israelis to commence food delivery is good,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think that it would even be a better

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<v Speaker 5>gesture of goodwill if both of them participate within the

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<v Speaker 5>reconstruction and the rehabilitation of Gaza project as a whole

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<v Speaker 5>with the broader international community. That will definitely go a

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<v Speaker 5>long way, and it will certainly show that the people

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<v Speaker 5>in Gaza that once you get rid of Hamas and

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<v Speaker 5>once you get rid of the Iranian influence, the aftermath

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<v Speaker 5>is usually more rewarding and more prosperous for you. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think that would go better in developing the trust

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<v Speaker 5>that you were talking about, in which it would chill

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<v Speaker 5>that the Israelis don't just come with the hammer, they

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<v Speaker 5>come with the olive branch as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you don't you know, if you see your enemy,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can see in touch and who was formula

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<v Speaker 2>enemy and they're helping you rebuild, Now, that's how you

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<v Speaker 2>regain trust. That's how you build I think, a lasting piece.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is the very very hands on, early, touchy

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<v Speaker 2>tactile component of this whole thing. The other element is

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned Abdulla Hyak. Middle East analysts and consultant is

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<v Speaker 2>the rebuilding in governance. So you mentioned a two state solution,

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<v Speaker 2>and that has always been a perilous ask, and that is, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>can can we have Palestine and Israel co exist in

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<v Speaker 2>the same land that has always been fraught with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of problems because of how much land and where

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<v Speaker 2>and expansion and the like, And that's driven this whole

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<v Speaker 2>conflict for a long time. If you have a transitional

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<v Speaker 2>governance that leads into governing, you almost by definition, then

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<v Speaker 2>have to have a state to govern. Correct. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is the fact of a two state solution. To start,

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<v Speaker 2>we have established Palestine as ali a legitimate territory, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think countries like France were not long ago booed

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<v Speaker 2>by us, but now it sounds like this is what

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing int.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, Scott, it's good that you mentioned this, but within

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<v Speaker 5>that realm you just spoken, the whole thing is all

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<v Speaker 5>over the place. Now, both Hamas and the Trump twenty

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<v Speaker 5>point piece plan both they explicitly mentioned that they will

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<v Speaker 5>not accept the Palestinian authority to go into the Gaza

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<v Speaker 5>strip and resume governance after Hamas surrenders. Now, I think

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<v Speaker 5>that is the major point that raises one's eyebrows because

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<v Speaker 5>Hamas only stated that it will surrender the strip to

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<v Speaker 5>a body of international and independent Palestinian technocrats. Has anyone

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<v Speaker 5>ever heard of that term really successful in the Middle East?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think so, which brings us back to my

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<v Speaker 5>original point, which I believe, with the same motivation and

1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:08.360
<v Speaker 5>initiative we've seen in ending the war in Gaza, I

1:19:08.439 --> 1:19:11.880
<v Speaker 5>think the US and the international community as a whole

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<v Speaker 5>has to lead an initiative to revitalize and decorrupt the

1:19:17.280 --> 1:19:23.240
<v Speaker 5>Palestinian Authority, which was designed to be the governing body

1:19:23.360 --> 1:19:26.360
<v Speaker 5>of the Palestinians in the wake of Oslo in nineteen

1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:30.160
<v Speaker 5>ninety three. They've already had a track record of governance

1:19:30.240 --> 1:19:33.720
<v Speaker 5>and for a good period of time they were successful.

1:19:34.439 --> 1:19:37.280
<v Speaker 5>Those are the guys that will really do the job

1:19:37.479 --> 1:19:39.280
<v Speaker 5>to help the Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, can we trust them now? I mean that there's

1:19:41.920 --> 1:19:45.360
<v Speaker 2>a history of corruption, allegations and failed peace talks and

1:19:45.400 --> 1:19:46.360
<v Speaker 2>everything else. We're back to that.

1:19:47.920 --> 1:19:50.599
<v Speaker 5>You're absolutely correct, But that's what I'm saying. We need

1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:54.760
<v Speaker 5>to lead an initiative to rehabilitate them, to revitalize them,

1:19:55.640 --> 1:20:00.040
<v Speaker 5>do something to motivate elections. Being happening there and the

1:20:00.200 --> 1:20:04.759
<v Speaker 5>Palestinians electing leaders. I know two thousand and six happened

1:20:04.760 --> 1:20:08.200
<v Speaker 5>and Hamas won, but the constituents that were present in

1:20:08.280 --> 1:20:12.800
<v Speaker 5>two thousand and six are ninety percent not going to

1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:16.920
<v Speaker 5>vote in this election, which is twenty years later. The

1:20:17.240 --> 1:20:21.360
<v Speaker 5>young generation of Palestinians have seen that the wrath of

1:20:21.520 --> 1:20:24.479
<v Speaker 5>Israeli military might is not something that should be dealt with,

1:20:24.680 --> 1:20:28.040
<v Speaker 5>as we've seen in the example with Gaza, the Palaestinians

1:20:28.080 --> 1:20:30.720
<v Speaker 5>would want to end the conflict peacefully. If we can

1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:33.360
<v Speaker 5>just go to polling data, if it were to emerge

1:20:33.439 --> 1:20:37.200
<v Speaker 5>right now, it would most certainly show that the Palestinian

1:20:37.240 --> 1:20:40.800
<v Speaker 5>people do not want the confrontation with Israel anymore. We're

1:20:40.840 --> 1:20:45.200
<v Speaker 5>seeing social media footage on the ground in Gaza that

1:20:45.439 --> 1:20:48.720
<v Speaker 5>just attack Hamas more so than they attack Israel. So

1:20:48.880 --> 1:20:53.080
<v Speaker 5>the tide is changing in the region. You know. As

1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:57.640
<v Speaker 5>for the two states solutions, what the voters will be,

1:20:57.960 --> 1:21:01.439
<v Speaker 5>what the shape of the app would look like, that's

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<v Speaker 5>all I think. Very very tough to tackle. I mean,

1:21:07.360 --> 1:21:11.439
<v Speaker 5>numerous presidential administrations haven't been able to tackle. But it's

1:21:11.479 --> 1:21:14.679
<v Speaker 5>good that they keep it within that framework because honestly,

1:21:14.800 --> 1:21:21.040
<v Speaker 5>other than that what is the solutions how? I don't think,

1:21:21.160 --> 1:21:25.040
<v Speaker 5>you know, there's any other possible solution because the Israelis

1:21:25.080 --> 1:21:28.040
<v Speaker 5>are not going anywhere, the Palestinians are not going anywhere.

1:21:29.600 --> 1:21:32.960
<v Speaker 5>Is it going to be fulfilled within the you know,

1:21:33.720 --> 1:21:37.280
<v Speaker 5>the one state solution or a three state solution where

1:21:37.520 --> 1:21:40.000
<v Speaker 5>the West Bank goes back to Jordan or the Gaza

1:21:40.080 --> 1:21:42.960
<v Speaker 5>Strip goes back to Egypt. I don't think that's going

1:21:43.040 --> 1:21:46.599
<v Speaker 5>to be feasible or possible. So a two state solution

1:21:47.439 --> 1:21:50.800
<v Speaker 5>in which both sides can guarantee each other's security and

1:21:50.920 --> 1:21:53.640
<v Speaker 5>peace is the best solution. And how that's going to

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<v Speaker 5>be done? I think you need courage. I think you

1:21:57.439 --> 1:22:02.040
<v Speaker 5>need the courage to overcome the obstacles, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>in a nutshell, I think you know, the Arab claim

1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:09.680
<v Speaker 5>as foreshown in the two thousand and two Arab Peace Initiative,

1:22:10.360 --> 1:22:13.120
<v Speaker 5>which states that there would be full recognition on behalf

1:22:13.160 --> 1:22:17.599
<v Speaker 5>of the Arab world with Israel in return of Israeli

1:22:17.680 --> 1:22:22.360
<v Speaker 5>withdrawal from the Palestinian occupied territories. I think that's a

1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:25.040
<v Speaker 5>good start, but you know, the Arabs have to amend that.

1:22:25.320 --> 1:22:28.639
<v Speaker 5>You know, the Borders of June fourth, nineteen sixty seven,

1:22:29.400 --> 1:22:36.320
<v Speaker 5>aren't really feasible anymore because previously there were major chunks

1:22:36.439 --> 1:22:41.160
<v Speaker 5>of Palestinian cities surrounded by tiny dots of Israeli settlements

1:22:41.200 --> 1:22:44.200
<v Speaker 5>in the West Bank. And that's just the other way around,

1:22:44.240 --> 1:22:47.760
<v Speaker 5>where you have these major Jewish Israeli settlements in the

1:22:47.800 --> 1:22:51.240
<v Speaker 5>West Bank that are really just surrounded by Palestinian dust.

1:22:51.280 --> 1:22:56.040
<v Speaker 5>The demographics in the West Bank have changed dramatically, So

1:22:56.920 --> 1:22:59.760
<v Speaker 5>I think that they need to get over the June fourth,

1:22:59.840 --> 1:23:03.639
<v Speaker 5>ninenineteen sixty seven borders. They have to come to an

1:23:03.680 --> 1:23:07.599
<v Speaker 5>agreement over Jerusalem, and I think something can be made.

1:23:07.680 --> 1:23:10.880
<v Speaker 5>But the time is right now. The iron is hot.

1:23:11.120 --> 1:23:14.120
<v Speaker 5>It's best time to strike is now. So we'll see.

1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:16.679
<v Speaker 2>And we also have to maintain focus, and that's something

1:23:16.760 --> 1:23:18.200
<v Speaker 2>I do a little that we're really bad at in

1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the West to specifically America is well, we'll do this,

1:23:21.080 --> 1:23:22.760
<v Speaker 2>we'll celebrate, then we'll move on to the next thing

1:23:22.800 --> 1:23:26.320
<v Speaker 2>and completely forget all the work it took to establish

1:23:26.360 --> 1:23:28.120
<v Speaker 2>peace in the Middle East. All these countries. We let

1:23:28.160 --> 1:23:30.280
<v Speaker 2>it fall apart. We've seen a long track record and

1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:33.920
<v Speaker 2>that whether it's a Vietnam, whether it's Afghanistan, whether it's

1:23:33.960 --> 1:23:36.280
<v Speaker 2>the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Cold War

1:23:36.360 --> 1:23:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and the Russians the former Soviet Union, and we just

1:23:39.040 --> 1:23:41.560
<v Speaker 2>ignore that and go, hey, if we don't maintain democracy

1:23:41.600 --> 1:23:43.479
<v Speaker 2>and try to keep feeding it and caring for it

1:23:43.600 --> 1:23:47.080
<v Speaker 2>and nurturing and nursing along, it'll fall apart because it's fragile.

1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:51.720
<v Speaker 5>We do that all the time, unfortunately. So and the

1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:57.200
<v Speaker 5>track record isn't just you know, with those states that

1:23:57.360 --> 1:23:59.600
<v Speaker 5>you mentioned. It has been with the Palestinians over and

1:23:59.720 --> 1:24:03.519
<v Speaker 5>over again, with the whole conflict. So I think, you know,

1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:08.040
<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump has shown true interest in you know, having

1:24:08.160 --> 1:24:12.800
<v Speaker 5>his second term his administration be remembered as that of

1:24:12.920 --> 1:24:17.720
<v Speaker 5>a peacemaker. We've seen his record be successful so far

1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:21.840
<v Speaker 5>and ending conflicts between Armenian and azer by John, the

1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:27.920
<v Speaker 5>Indians and Pakistanis, the Rwandans and Congolese, and three other

1:24:28.080 --> 1:24:31.799
<v Speaker 5>conflicts in addition to the one in Gaza and Israel.

1:24:33.240 --> 1:24:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and well again we'll see how long it lasts.

1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:38.479
<v Speaker 2>If he can get through his second term without it

1:24:38.600 --> 1:24:41.400
<v Speaker 2>falling apart again, would be that alone, by itself would

1:24:41.439 --> 1:24:43.960
<v Speaker 2>probably be a small miracle. And I know there's a

1:24:43.960 --> 1:24:46.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of pieces behind the scenes. As he's in Egypt

1:24:46.240 --> 1:24:48.840
<v Speaker 2>now talking world lads, a lot of things had to

1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:52.479
<v Speaker 2>happen behind the scenes for this to occur, namely leveraging

1:24:52.600 --> 1:24:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Cutter and Turkey and Egypt to get this deal broker together.

1:24:56.439 --> 1:24:59.280
<v Speaker 2>That took a lot of work behind the scenes obviously.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, And I think there needs to go credit

1:25:03.160 --> 1:25:07.759
<v Speaker 5>for the Turks. Over the past two years, the major

1:25:08.160 --> 1:25:13.280
<v Speaker 5>countries involved in the negotiations were, of course Israelis and Americans,

1:25:13.880 --> 1:25:17.479
<v Speaker 5>with the Kataris and the Egyptians. When the Turks got

1:25:17.600 --> 1:25:20.960
<v Speaker 5>involved in the negotiations, only in a matter of three

1:25:21.080 --> 1:25:24.240
<v Speaker 5>days did we come to a solution to the conference.

1:25:24.240 --> 1:25:26.720
<v Speaker 5>So I think, you know, the credit is due to

1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:31.120
<v Speaker 5>the Turks, especially that President Erdogan has, according to President Trump,

1:25:31.600 --> 1:25:36.960
<v Speaker 5>personally intervened in the negotiation process for itself. The timing

1:25:37.080 --> 1:25:40.040
<v Speaker 5>is just right. I think everything is just falling in time.

1:25:40.680 --> 1:25:44.880
<v Speaker 5>Two years have ended, the hostages have just seen enough,

1:25:45.040 --> 1:25:47.920
<v Speaker 5>and I think the civilian population of Gaza has just

1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:52.759
<v Speaker 5>been under horrible conditions that no one could possibly imagine.

1:25:53.479 --> 1:25:57.439
<v Speaker 5>The timing is right, the conflict's ending, everyone's happy. I think,

1:25:57.560 --> 1:26:02.479
<v Speaker 5>you know, why shouldn't the population both in Israel and

1:26:02.640 --> 1:26:05.960
<v Speaker 5>the Palestinians just moved forward to peace? Why can't we

1:26:06.000 --> 1:26:06.920
<v Speaker 5>see a rebirth of the.

1:26:07.000 --> 1:26:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Nineteen nineties again, possibly, and he hopes so, because there's

1:26:10.360 --> 1:26:12.920
<v Speaker 2>just so much blood and life lost and devastation, and

1:26:13.960 --> 1:26:16.960
<v Speaker 2>it cut deeply on both sides, and that that blood

1:26:17.040 --> 1:26:18.840
<v Speaker 2>is so fresh that I think a piece elast for

1:26:18.880 --> 1:26:21.559
<v Speaker 2>a little while. Unfortunately, what happens in another generation comes

1:26:21.560 --> 1:26:24.479
<v Speaker 2>along and forgets about history. But we'll let them address

1:26:24.520 --> 1:26:26.759
<v Speaker 2>the later day. Let's celebrate the fact that the finally

1:26:26.800 --> 1:26:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the war has stopped. Over two long, hard years, all

1:26:29.320 --> 1:26:32.640
<v Speaker 2>the death and destruction led to this. He again on

1:26:32.720 --> 1:26:36.240
<v Speaker 2>the show, is Abdulla Hyak, middle East policy expert on

1:26:36.320 --> 1:26:38.720
<v Speaker 2>the Scott's Loan Show on seven hundred. Ww's a piece

1:26:38.760 --> 1:26:40.519
<v Speaker 2>fellow with young voices. Thanks again for the time. I

1:26:40.560 --> 1:26:41.040
<v Speaker 2>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you. Scott's great to be here, and I look

1:26:43.160 --> 1:26:44.320
<v Speaker 5>forward to our next discussion.

1:26:44.880 --> 1:26:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Trump is in Egypt to take his victory. Laugh, maybe

1:26:47.160 --> 1:26:51.120
<v Speaker 2>a lap meeting with leaders of some twenty countries here

1:26:51.200 --> 1:26:53.959
<v Speaker 2>closer to home. The big star, of course is the Bengals.

1:26:54.439 --> 1:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>The Bengals, the Bengals. The Bengals lost, but they did

1:26:58.280 --> 1:27:00.800
<v Speaker 2>it in a better way. We learn to lose better.

1:27:00.920 --> 1:27:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Let's put it that way. Joe Flocker look pretty good

1:27:02.800 --> 1:27:05.639
<v Speaker 2>at second half, the defense fall apart. The big question,

1:27:05.680 --> 1:27:08.519
<v Speaker 2>of course is why can't we have the offensive defense

1:27:09.520 --> 1:27:13.120
<v Speaker 2>on the same page for all four quarters, certainly in

1:27:13.160 --> 1:27:15.000
<v Speaker 2>the last number of games in this early season, so

1:27:15.120 --> 1:27:19.040
<v Speaker 2>earlier in the season. In fact of the matter is

1:27:19.680 --> 1:27:22.160
<v Speaker 2>you played complimentary football. It's got the last four quarters.

1:27:23.120 --> 1:27:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Offense looked bad in the first half good and the

1:27:24.960 --> 1:27:27.880
<v Speaker 2>second half in the opposite for the defense wilted in

1:27:27.960 --> 1:27:31.040
<v Speaker 2>the end. But Scott Steelers, it's a short week, Thursday

1:27:31.120 --> 1:27:33.960
<v Speaker 2>night football coming to Cincinnati. Scott Sloan show. We've got

1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:36.000
<v Speaker 2>news on the way in just about four or five minutes,

1:27:36.040 --> 1:27:39.400
<v Speaker 2>hanging on for more seven hundred w welw sony on seven.

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<v Speaker 6>Hundred WW Again.

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<v Speaker 2>The Cincinnati Bengals fell in the pack because I don't

1:27:43.880 --> 1:27:47.639
<v Speaker 2>have to tell you that yesterday afternoon. Should the loss

1:27:48.160 --> 1:27:48.880
<v Speaker 2>feel like a win?

1:27:49.000 --> 1:27:49.280
<v Speaker 5>In a way?

1:27:49.360 --> 1:27:53.519
<v Speaker 2>James Rapine is here from SI Bengals talking lockdown Bengals. James,

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<v Speaker 2>did we win in the loss?

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<v Speaker 9>No?

1:27:57.880 --> 1:27:58.880
<v Speaker 5>No, we did. Answer.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't get that an we lost, but it feels

1:28:02.479 --> 1:28:04.559
<v Speaker 2>like a better loss. It's like, no, you lost, It's

1:28:04.640 --> 1:28:06.639
<v Speaker 2>just a loss. Is a loss even though you lost

1:28:06.680 --> 1:28:08.280
<v Speaker 2>by a loss, by your worse you didn't look it

1:28:08.360 --> 1:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>wasn't as embarrassing as previous loss. He's still lost.

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<v Speaker 11>For sure, and that's the correct takeaway. I also think

1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:21.799
<v Speaker 11>to the people that are optimistic for yesterday, the reason

1:28:23.040 --> 1:28:26.240
<v Speaker 11>the reason why you're optimistic is because there are we're

1:28:26.360 --> 1:28:30.760
<v Speaker 11>signs of hope and signs of a difference. Now, will

1:28:30.840 --> 1:28:33.800
<v Speaker 11>that translate into Thursday? That's the real key, because a

1:28:33.840 --> 1:28:35.360
<v Speaker 11>loss is a loss is a loss. But if it

1:28:35.439 --> 1:28:38.439
<v Speaker 11>helps you on Thursday, well then that could translate totally.

1:28:40.479 --> 1:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Well we'll get to that. Le's slow down just a second.

1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Here's the problem with the Bugels. It's been true, whether

1:28:45.040 --> 1:28:47.439
<v Speaker 2>Jake Brown is a quarterback or not, is putting a

1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>complete game together. We've heard about the complimentary nature of football, offense, defense,

1:28:52.000 --> 1:28:55.559
<v Speaker 2>special teams, offense bad first half, good second half, defense,

1:28:55.920 --> 1:28:58.840
<v Speaker 2>decent first and half, bad second half. We can't put

1:28:58.880 --> 1:29:01.559
<v Speaker 2>this together. That's, you know, one of the many problems.

1:29:01.880 --> 1:29:06.160
<v Speaker 2>It's been an ongoing trend here, specifically with the offense

1:29:06.280 --> 1:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>being bad in the first half. Now we had an excuse,

1:29:09.800 --> 1:29:12.160
<v Speaker 2>not so much under Joe Burrow, but under Jake browning

1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:16.200
<v Speaker 2>one half of football for one Joe Flacco is not

1:29:16.320 --> 1:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>really a trend. It's a sample. Bengals put up sixty

1:29:19.439 --> 1:29:22.120
<v Speaker 2>five yards total offense, but it was only down ten

1:29:22.120 --> 1:29:25.000
<v Speaker 2>to nothing at halftime, and that seemed like, Okay, I

1:29:25.040 --> 1:29:26.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know how we're going to generate more offense in

1:29:26.640 --> 1:29:30.160
<v Speaker 2>the second half, but they did, and then the defense collapsed.

1:29:30.240 --> 1:29:33.120
<v Speaker 2>So I guess maybe that's because the offense is so

1:29:33.200 --> 1:29:34.680
<v Speaker 2>went up in the first half, by the time the

1:29:34.760 --> 1:29:37.080
<v Speaker 2>defense gets to that fourth quarter, they're completely guessed.

1:29:39.040 --> 1:29:41.920
<v Speaker 11>Maybe, you know, maybe that's the case. And I certainly

1:29:41.960 --> 1:29:46.040
<v Speaker 11>would love to see this offense start and play normal

1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:48.599
<v Speaker 11>football in the first half. They've been outscore seventy nine

1:29:48.640 --> 1:29:52.200
<v Speaker 11>to nine in the first half of the past four games.

1:29:52.760 --> 1:29:56.000
<v Speaker 11>They haven't sort of touchdown in that span. Magically, the

1:29:56.120 --> 1:29:59.280
<v Speaker 11>nine is three three three point three three field goals.

1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:04.080
<v Speaker 5>So it's it's frustrating to watch.

1:30:04.320 --> 1:30:07.639
<v Speaker 11>And yesterday I do think that there's some reason behind

1:30:07.680 --> 1:30:10.439
<v Speaker 11>it that Joe Flacco had just gotten there. You're going

1:30:10.520 --> 1:30:12.360
<v Speaker 11>up against the good defense, you are on the road,

1:30:13.200 --> 1:30:18.680
<v Speaker 11>and yet at the same time, it doesn't change. Exactly

1:30:18.800 --> 1:30:22.840
<v Speaker 11>what we had seen the past three weeks is happening again.

1:30:22.920 --> 1:30:24.800
<v Speaker 11>And no, they didn't turn the ball over but they

1:30:24.880 --> 1:30:27.040
<v Speaker 11>literally couldn't move the ball. At the end of the

1:30:27.080 --> 1:30:29.880
<v Speaker 11>first quarter. They went three and out on their only drive.

1:30:30.280 --> 1:30:33.320
<v Speaker 11>I had one yard of total offense. It went three

1:30:33.360 --> 1:30:35.520
<v Speaker 11>and out on three of their first four drives.

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<v Speaker 6>Of the half. Like it just can't That isn't a

1:30:39.040 --> 1:30:41.880
<v Speaker 6>way to win games. You can't do that. You can't

1:30:41.960 --> 1:30:44.519
<v Speaker 6>start off that slow because you're right now.

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<v Speaker 11>We're wondering, all right, well, is it the defense's fault

1:30:46.840 --> 1:30:50.360
<v Speaker 11>or is the defense just gassed or well, I think

1:30:50.400 --> 1:30:52.120
<v Speaker 11>the defense was awful in the second half, and I

1:30:52.160 --> 1:30:55.040
<v Speaker 11>don't think it's all them just being gassed. But you

1:30:55.240 --> 1:30:57.720
<v Speaker 11>have to start better if you're going to win games,

1:30:57.800 --> 1:30:59.479
<v Speaker 11>especially on the road against really good teams.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're playing at lambeau Field. You're playing in a

1:31:02.200 --> 1:31:06.200
<v Speaker 2>pretty good Packers team that's no slacker. That now Pittsburgh,

1:31:06.280 --> 1:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>the sweetheart of the division right now, comes to the

1:31:08.760 --> 1:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>town on Thursday. Arguably that's a much tougher game. You're

1:31:11.880 --> 1:31:14.360
<v Speaker 2>playing at night, you're playing at home at pay Corps.

1:31:14.920 --> 1:31:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully home field helps you. But right now, the Bengals,

1:31:17.400 --> 1:31:19.880
<v Speaker 2>if this is any indication of how you know as

1:31:19.920 --> 1:31:22.920
<v Speaker 2>a loss is a loss, Cincy is five and a

1:31:22.920 --> 1:31:25.160
<v Speaker 2>half point underdogs going to this game on Thursday night.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, and this is this is where it shifts, because

1:31:33.400 --> 1:31:35.960
<v Speaker 11>I said, this is not hindsight, This isn't me looking

1:31:36.040 --> 1:31:36.280
<v Speaker 11>at it.

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<v Speaker 6>From orange and black colored glasses.

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<v Speaker 11>Losing to the Packers in my mind was expected, like

1:31:43.240 --> 1:31:45.760
<v Speaker 11>I wanted to see them play better, but tough team

1:31:45.880 --> 1:31:48.880
<v Speaker 11>on the road. Joe Flacker has been there for four

1:31:48.880 --> 1:31:53.080
<v Speaker 11>and a half days. Basically a tough ask. But you

1:31:53.240 --> 1:31:56.000
<v Speaker 11>make that move for Joe Flacco so you can one

1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:59.519
<v Speaker 11>be more competitive, but two win games like Thursday night

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<v Speaker 11>against the Pittsburgh team and obviously knows Joe well, you

1:32:03.200 --> 1:32:07.280
<v Speaker 11>know the Steelers well, and if you win, you can

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<v Speaker 11>get right back in this because the.

1:32:08.760 --> 1:32:12.360
<v Speaker 6>AFC North stinks. Really, the AFC for the most part

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<v Speaker 6>hasn't been as good as people thought.

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<v Speaker 11>And so that door is cracked. But it slams shut

1:32:19.560 --> 1:32:24.040
<v Speaker 11>with a loss or you can open with a win. Yeah,

1:32:24.240 --> 1:32:27.080
<v Speaker 11>and that's the reality for the Bengals right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels certainly you look by the way you described

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<v Speaker 2>it must went on Thursday and to beat the Steelers

1:32:31.360 --> 1:32:33.559
<v Speaker 2>in the division, especially at this chance having him at

1:32:33.600 --> 1:32:35.439
<v Speaker 2>home now it is a short week. Of course, that's

1:32:35.479 --> 1:32:37.880
<v Speaker 2>always bad. Maybe it's not because now Joe Flackow, he's

1:32:37.960 --> 1:32:39.200
<v Speaker 2>been a bit of a rhythm right now, and you

1:32:39.280 --> 1:32:41.479
<v Speaker 2>look again in a rhythm in the second half, I mean,

1:32:41.880 --> 1:32:45.840
<v Speaker 2>he threw some really tight balls, particularly to Jamar Chase.

1:32:45.880 --> 1:32:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Jamar Chase blew up that touchdown to the head. I

1:32:49.080 --> 1:32:50.559
<v Speaker 2>still don't know how you got that. I still don't

1:32:50.560 --> 1:32:52.080
<v Speaker 2>know how that wasn't a flag, by the way, but

1:32:52.560 --> 1:32:55.960
<v Speaker 2>you felt like, Wow, finally somebody who given a little

1:32:55.960 --> 1:32:58.080
<v Speaker 2>bit of time and credits to the offensive line there

1:32:58.240 --> 1:33:00.360
<v Speaker 2>can find the deep ball, can hitch him our Chase

1:33:00.400 --> 1:33:03.080
<v Speaker 2>can hit Ti Higgins and maybe we got something there.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, that's that's it. That's exactly it is. I I

1:33:09.280 --> 1:33:12.599
<v Speaker 11>came away from that game. My biggest takeaway was, all Right,

1:33:12.720 --> 1:33:14.640
<v Speaker 11>they have a guy at quarterbacks. I have a guy

1:33:14.680 --> 1:33:17.559
<v Speaker 11>at quarterback that can make the throws. He can get

1:33:17.600 --> 1:33:21.519
<v Speaker 11>it to their weapons. And this team scott is built

1:33:21.600 --> 1:33:24.280
<v Speaker 11>around their offense. Like if they're going to be good,

1:33:24.479 --> 1:33:27.400
<v Speaker 11>their offense needs to be good. Their offense should be

1:33:27.520 --> 1:33:30.120
<v Speaker 11>better than the defense. Like that's just that's how they're

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<v Speaker 11>going to win games. And so that second half, I mean,

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<v Speaker 11>they might have scored three straight touchdowns if andre Josavash

1:33:36.840 --> 1:33:37.479
<v Speaker 11>doesn't dropped that.

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<v Speaker 6>Ball on third and eight. Let it go through his hands.

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<v Speaker 6>They were moving it and so yeah.

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<v Speaker 11>I think that there's there's reason to be hope, hopeful, yep.

1:33:46.680 --> 1:33:49.000
<v Speaker 11>And I think that they're going to be encouraged by that.

1:33:50.000 --> 1:33:52.760
<v Speaker 11>But again, now it's now the pressure really is on.

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<v Speaker 11>This is akitsh and sink. You throw the kitch and sink.

1:33:56.160 --> 1:33:59.800
<v Speaker 11>You throw every play, every everything to get a win.

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<v Speaker 2>On Thursday night, you mentioned Yosha and Yoshi really struggled

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<v Speaker 2>last year. It was not a good game for him.

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<v Speaker 5>He did, he did, and.

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<v Speaker 8>Those are the type of plays like, especially on the road,

1:34:10.600 --> 1:34:13.599
<v Speaker 8>you quarterback make a catch, you're you're trying to rally

1:34:13.760 --> 1:34:16.080
<v Speaker 8>back like you You have to have those kind of

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<v Speaker 8>plays to have a chance.

1:34:18.360 --> 1:34:20.599
<v Speaker 11>And yeah, if he didn't need those plays on the field,

1:34:20.600 --> 1:34:22.160
<v Speaker 11>who knows. Who knows what ends up happening.

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<v Speaker 2>You wonder two end of the half, what if it

1:34:25.479 --> 1:34:27.439
<v Speaker 2>would look that much? It's okay, so you're in the

1:34:27.479 --> 1:34:28.880
<v Speaker 2>go to locker room. It's ten nothing. You go to

1:34:28.960 --> 1:34:30.519
<v Speaker 2>locker room ten three and a touchdown. You've got a

1:34:30.520 --> 1:34:34.479
<v Speaker 2>little momentum there. McPherson hitting the crossbar from sixty seven,

1:34:34.520 --> 1:34:36.240
<v Speaker 2>which had been an NFL rocker. That was when Curl

1:34:36.360 --> 1:34:38.559
<v Speaker 2>hits a crossbar goes in and oh wait, we called

1:34:38.640 --> 1:34:42.880
<v Speaker 2>time out right before a fortuitous icing of the kicker

1:34:43.040 --> 1:34:46.280
<v Speaker 2>because obviously the second one wasn't long enough and it

1:34:46.320 --> 1:34:48.120
<v Speaker 2>was wide right, he just got a little too much

1:34:48.280 --> 1:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>under it. But man, we could I think it. You

1:34:51.040 --> 1:34:53.080
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say, hey, what what could have? Should have?

1:34:53.160 --> 1:34:53.479
<v Speaker 5>Could have had?

1:34:53.560 --> 1:34:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Mean if Joe Burrow didn't go down, we probably would't

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<v Speaker 2>have this conversation. Is the fact that, man, I just

1:34:58.400 --> 1:34:59.840
<v Speaker 2>that felt to me, like, boy, you go in to

1:34:59.840 --> 1:35:01.720
<v Speaker 2>the locker room and getting three back and hey we're

1:35:01.720 --> 1:35:03.560
<v Speaker 2>only down seven, And then the way they looked in

1:35:03.600 --> 1:35:06.240
<v Speaker 2>the second half, that could have been a different outcome.

1:35:07.880 --> 1:35:08.280
<v Speaker 5>It could have.

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<v Speaker 11>Is the heck of a time out by that before

1:35:11.680 --> 1:35:15.160
<v Speaker 11>it really was because I don't know if do you

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<v Speaker 11>think you need to ice the kicker at sixty seventy yards?

1:35:17.800 --> 1:35:20.479
<v Speaker 11>Is it better just to to let him kick it?

1:35:20.600 --> 1:35:22.799
<v Speaker 11>Clearly it was better to take the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, But you're not taking your time outs in the half?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I mean? Okay? What do you lose my calling

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<v Speaker 2>time out?

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<v Speaker 6>No doubt, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's it. That's why you do it.

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<v Speaker 11>But geeh, like I uh, I wish honestly, I wish

1:35:36.800 --> 1:35:39.840
<v Speaker 11>Evan didn't get to kick that first one, right because

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<v Speaker 11>I think he kicked the first one and made it

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<v Speaker 11>and then I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>It almost changes your mindset.

1:35:46.040 --> 1:35:48.479
<v Speaker 11>And I'm not just saying he said that or felt

1:35:48.520 --> 1:35:51.200
<v Speaker 11>that way, but like, it just felt different with that

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<v Speaker 11>second been.

1:35:54.640 --> 1:35:54.880
<v Speaker 5>Shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, if the angle the holes a half degree off,

1:35:58.080 --> 1:36:00.080
<v Speaker 2>it's going to change it from that far. So you know,

1:36:00.160 --> 1:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>it may not have been the hold because in the

1:36:01.400 --> 1:36:04.599
<v Speaker 2>state could have been a million things. But yeah, now,

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<v Speaker 2>had he missed it and then hit the second one,

1:36:06.479 --> 1:36:08.519
<v Speaker 2>we'd be high five in each other right now, and

1:36:08.560 --> 1:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe the Bengals would have done something. But that was

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<v Speaker 2>the most Bengal thing of the game I think is

1:36:12.640 --> 1:36:14.800
<v Speaker 2>that he makes it from sixty seven, they call the

1:36:14.840 --> 1:36:17.120
<v Speaker 2>time out and he misses the sixty seven yard or

1:36:17.120 --> 1:36:20.800
<v Speaker 2>But nonetheless, I thought first half defense played good enough

1:36:20.840 --> 1:36:23.840
<v Speaker 2>to win Trey Hendrickson leading to the back injury. Things

1:36:23.960 --> 1:36:26.519
<v Speaker 2>change after Trey Hendrickson wasn't rushing the passer anymore.

1:36:28.000 --> 1:36:32.200
<v Speaker 11>Yep, that might have been all these game deciding plays.

1:36:32.400 --> 1:36:36.760
<v Speaker 11>You know, third and eight and you have Jordan Love

1:36:36.800 --> 1:36:38.960
<v Speaker 11>with over four seconds to throw the ball and then

1:36:39.000 --> 1:36:41.680
<v Speaker 11>he finds Matt Golden when the Bengals had trimmed the

1:36:41.760 --> 1:36:43.960
<v Speaker 11>lead to twenty four to eighteen. And if they get

1:36:44.000 --> 1:36:47.400
<v Speaker 11>a stop there, they're getting the ball. Yeah, but my goodness,

1:36:47.439 --> 1:36:49.439
<v Speaker 11>sound nice. Wouldn't bet to have Trey Hendrickson on the field?

1:36:49.640 --> 1:36:53.240
<v Speaker 11>I really hope it isn't serious, because you talk about

1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:56.280
<v Speaker 11>pass to winning games. They just don't have a lot

1:36:56.320 --> 1:36:59.200
<v Speaker 11>of playmakers on defense right now, Scotty. So without Trey,

1:37:00.160 --> 1:37:03.080
<v Speaker 11>without Trey, you're working around that. Who's going to make

1:37:03.120 --> 1:37:06.120
<v Speaker 11>a play And there's just there's not many guys that

1:37:06.200 --> 1:37:09.200
<v Speaker 11>you could confidently they would raise their hand and be

1:37:09.280 --> 1:37:10.160
<v Speaker 11>able to actually go out there.

1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:12.920
<v Speaker 2>And there's but does anyone miss more tackles than Jordan Bell?

1:37:15.120 --> 1:37:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was fair most games and Cam Taylor

1:37:17.800 --> 1:37:19.720
<v Speaker 2>brit has just been bad for a long time now,

1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:22.519
<v Speaker 2>and I mean he's bench leading up to the game,

1:37:22.600 --> 1:37:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and uh, it's just you look at it and go,

1:37:25.000 --> 1:37:26.559
<v Speaker 2>there's two fun a firm of the guys that want

1:37:26.560 --> 1:37:28.439
<v Speaker 2>to make a play. I mean tackling. That's not the

1:37:28.520 --> 1:37:30.559
<v Speaker 2>easiest thing, but it's the most basic thing you watch

1:37:30.600 --> 1:37:32.760
<v Speaker 2>a Bengals game. How many guys get xtra yards after

1:37:32.800 --> 1:37:35.479
<v Speaker 2>initial contact you could probably count on one hand, or

1:37:35.479 --> 1:37:38.000
<v Speaker 2>in the course of the game where the person make

1:37:38.080 --> 1:37:39.840
<v Speaker 2>initial contact brings down the target.

1:37:41.720 --> 1:37:43.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's it's frustrating.

1:37:43.880 --> 1:37:46.280
<v Speaker 11>And I thought it was interesting that the Bengals weren't

1:37:46.280 --> 1:37:47.720
<v Speaker 11>with two rookie linebackers as well.

1:37:48.040 --> 1:37:48.920
<v Speaker 6>Yeah that game.

1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:53.559
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, and Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight, And I don't

1:37:53.640 --> 1:37:55.200
<v Speaker 11>want to be the bear bad news, but I don't

1:37:55.200 --> 1:37:57.759
<v Speaker 11>think he's the one played well. I see, Josh Jacobs

1:37:58.120 --> 1:38:00.360
<v Speaker 11>had his best game of the year, averaging over yards

1:38:00.400 --> 1:38:03.840
<v Speaker 11>to carry. Obviously the two touchdowns on the one touchdown run,

1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:07.280
<v Speaker 11>I mean he was pretty pretty untouched after getting through

1:38:07.320 --> 1:38:10.920
<v Speaker 11>the defensive a front and that can't happen. So, yeah,

1:38:11.200 --> 1:38:14.519
<v Speaker 11>you mentioned it, Cam Taylor Bridge, Jordan Battle and then

1:38:15.080 --> 1:38:16.920
<v Speaker 11>you throw in those guys and not much of a

1:38:17.000 --> 1:38:20.200
<v Speaker 11>pass rush. Yeah, And it's just it's a really tough

1:38:20.280 --> 1:38:22.479
<v Speaker 11>go of it right now, and so who knows. I

1:38:22.600 --> 1:38:24.760
<v Speaker 11>think Shamar Stewart has a chance to play this week,

1:38:24.880 --> 1:38:27.000
<v Speaker 11>and maybe Trey Hendrickson can fight through it.

1:38:27.200 --> 1:38:28.240
<v Speaker 5>And if you have those two.

1:38:28.120 --> 1:38:31.040
<v Speaker 6>Guys, maybe you will have somewhat of a pass rush against.

1:38:30.840 --> 1:38:34.799
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers, James Rapine back to the corners and starting

1:38:34.840 --> 1:38:38.080
<v Speaker 2>two rookies at linebacker. Demetrius Night. Okay, we saw Demetrius,

1:38:38.120 --> 1:38:41.759
<v Speaker 2>but bred Carter in for Logan. What happened to Logan

1:38:41.800 --> 1:38:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Wilson over the last couple I mean, I think he

1:38:44.040 --> 1:38:44.839
<v Speaker 2>was just on kickoff.

1:38:44.880 --> 1:38:49.479
<v Speaker 11>I think, yeah, he was in on bass downs when

1:38:49.479 --> 1:38:53.120
<v Speaker 11>they were playing three linebackers and then special teams. He

1:38:53.160 --> 1:38:59.160
<v Speaker 11>had one snap in the second half, And honestly, I

1:38:59.240 --> 1:39:01.439
<v Speaker 11>don't think he's like he has lost the step.

1:39:01.479 --> 1:39:02.080
<v Speaker 5>There's no doubt.

1:39:02.280 --> 1:39:04.320
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, But I don't think he's been so bad that

1:39:04.479 --> 1:39:06.400
<v Speaker 11>now he's just phased out. And I think that's a

1:39:06.520 --> 1:39:11.120
<v Speaker 11>really interesting storyline that's transpired over I mean, it's week

1:39:11.200 --> 1:39:14.960
<v Speaker 11>six it's not Week sixteen, right, And you know, has

1:39:15.040 --> 1:39:16.120
<v Speaker 11>Barrett Hardner showed.

1:39:15.880 --> 1:39:16.320
<v Speaker 5>Them that much?

1:39:16.360 --> 1:39:18.720
<v Speaker 6>Now, if you look at the box score, played well,

1:39:18.760 --> 1:39:19.639
<v Speaker 6>he had ten tackles.

1:39:20.080 --> 1:39:20.320
<v Speaker 5>But I.

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<v Speaker 6>Think when they watched the.

1:39:23.320 --> 1:39:25.000
<v Speaker 11>Film, they're going to look at those linebackers and say,

1:39:25.000 --> 1:39:28.120
<v Speaker 11>all right, we were pretty bad in that spot. But

1:39:29.080 --> 1:39:33.800
<v Speaker 11>it is saying something that Logan Wilson has kind of

1:39:34.120 --> 1:39:37.120
<v Speaker 11>throughout the past couple of weeks been phased out and

1:39:37.240 --> 1:39:41.479
<v Speaker 11>now he's truly their third linebacker. It's tough about to

1:39:41.520 --> 1:39:43.639
<v Speaker 11>be in for the veteran, especially after he was voted captain.

1:39:44.240 --> 1:39:47.559
<v Speaker 11>And that's the reality, that's what he's facing. I would

1:39:47.560 --> 1:39:50.240
<v Speaker 11>expect Bret Carter and Demetrius Knight to start again on Thursday.

1:39:50.360 --> 1:39:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would think so too. But man, I watch

1:39:53.280 --> 1:39:55.760
<v Speaker 2>you watch a little bit. Because you get the multiview

1:39:55.800 --> 1:39:57.760
<v Speaker 2>going on TV. They can watch different games that I'm

1:39:57.760 --> 1:40:03.080
<v Speaker 2>watching Aaron Rodgers yesterday and he you know, especially with

1:40:03.200 --> 1:40:06.640
<v Speaker 2>no Trey Hendrickson, Boy, you're asking that line and that

1:40:06.760 --> 1:40:08.640
<v Speaker 2>defense to do a lot that they don't look like

1:40:08.680 --> 1:40:10.080
<v Speaker 2>they're capable of as of today.

1:40:12.160 --> 1:40:15.920
<v Speaker 6>Uh, there's no doubt. And and that's why.

1:40:17.600 --> 1:40:21.559
<v Speaker 11>Starting off with points and finding a way to get

1:40:21.600 --> 1:40:24.839
<v Speaker 11>going early on offense, that that is important because the Steelers,

1:40:25.280 --> 1:40:27.120
<v Speaker 11>they're not a team that wants to win a shoot.

1:40:26.920 --> 1:40:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Out either, right, They're kind of out.

1:40:30.960 --> 1:40:33.360
<v Speaker 11>They want to play, you know, the ugly game that

1:40:33.400 --> 1:40:35.280
<v Speaker 11>they played yesterday and then I'll break it open at

1:40:35.280 --> 1:40:40.040
<v Speaker 11>the end. The that's pretty much their game script every week.

1:40:40.120 --> 1:40:43.080
<v Speaker 11>And so this offense has to show up early. They're

1:40:43.080 --> 1:40:45.280
<v Speaker 11>going up against a really good defensive front. The Steelers

1:40:45.680 --> 1:40:49.240
<v Speaker 11>defensive front's awesome. Jalen Ramsey has been playing pretty well

1:40:49.280 --> 1:40:52.600
<v Speaker 11>I think in Pittsburgh at corner, and so it's going

1:40:52.680 --> 1:40:55.920
<v Speaker 11>to be a tough task, a tough test, and it

1:40:56.160 --> 1:40:59.360
<v Speaker 11>really can you get a lead, and then if you

1:40:59.400 --> 1:41:02.320
<v Speaker 11>get a lead, the Steelers an't good at running the football.

1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:05.360
<v Speaker 6>Force Aaron Rodgers to throw it, and when he does, you're.

1:41:05.240 --> 1:41:07.120
<v Speaker 11>Gonna have to get pressure on him. Like it's all

1:41:07.240 --> 1:41:10.400
<v Speaker 11>simple things. It's much easier said than done. But those

1:41:10.400 --> 1:41:11.880
<v Speaker 11>are some of the things that they're gonna have to do.

1:41:12.560 --> 1:41:12.720
<v Speaker 5>Well.

1:41:12.800 --> 1:41:14.559
<v Speaker 2>We'll find out that Thursday, and it's a quick week

1:41:14.600 --> 1:41:16.680
<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately we're gonna have time to get healthy too,

1:41:16.720 --> 1:41:18.679
<v Speaker 2>because you got some guys being a Trey Hendrickson comes

1:41:18.680 --> 1:41:22.519
<v Speaker 2>to minds the biggest there as well. And man, you

1:41:23.360 --> 1:41:25.120
<v Speaker 2>feel like this is the season right here? Am I

1:41:25.200 --> 1:41:27.120
<v Speaker 2>wrong about thinking it that way on Thursday night? Already?

1:41:28.240 --> 1:41:31.120
<v Speaker 5>No? You're not. This is it? I mean two in

1:41:31.280 --> 1:41:32.400
<v Speaker 5>five verses three and four.

1:41:32.400 --> 1:41:34.439
<v Speaker 11>And if you get to three and four, then you

1:41:34.520 --> 1:41:36.200
<v Speaker 11>have a tie breaker over the Steelers and you play

1:41:36.280 --> 1:41:38.599
<v Speaker 11>him again a month later, right, and so you can

1:41:39.120 --> 1:41:42.160
<v Speaker 11>you have to sleep Pittsburgh. If you sleep Pittsburgh, and

1:41:42.560 --> 1:41:44.280
<v Speaker 11>you look and you got the Jets on the schedule,

1:41:44.320 --> 1:41:47.439
<v Speaker 11>You got the winnable games on the schedule in your home.

1:41:47.560 --> 1:41:48.800
<v Speaker 6>You don't go on the road again.

1:41:48.840 --> 1:41:50.400
<v Speaker 11>It's been a lot of road games, I mean four

1:41:50.439 --> 1:41:52.240
<v Speaker 11>out of six on the road, right, you don't go

1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:54.200
<v Speaker 11>on the road again until November sixteenth when you play

1:41:54.240 --> 1:41:55.519
<v Speaker 11>Pittsburgh and there's a.

1:41:55.560 --> 1:41:57.599
<v Speaker 6>Buy in there, but you're at home.

1:41:58.280 --> 1:42:00.439
<v Speaker 11>This is when, like Zach Taylor for the past, but

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<v Speaker 11>the winds are gonna come. The winds are gonna come. Well,

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<v Speaker 11>the winds need to come right now. They do, and

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<v Speaker 11>now's the time, and they can they can salvage the

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<v Speaker 11>season if they've went on Thursday night. But it certainly

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<v Speaker 11>starts with a winner on primetime against the Steelers.

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<v Speaker 2>Big ask, we'll find out. We'll have the call for you.

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<v Speaker 2>James Rapines covering it for you as he does every

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<v Speaker 2>Monday morning, so chopping it up before the lunch. How

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<v Speaker 2>we're always talking to Bengals football this morning on the

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<v Speaker 2>losing end, that's four straight losses. Bengal's open at five

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<v Speaker 2>and a half point dogs against the Steelers on Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>Night football, James Repeat, catch him over at SI's Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>Talk dot Com. That puts a lockdown podcast as well. James,

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<v Speaker 2>all the best, Buddy, appreciate you, Thanks, G.

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate you all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick time out speaking of sports and the like, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the news this morning that the Bearcat the ledgend, the

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Famer Jim Kelly Junior has passed away, the

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<v Speaker 2>long time color analysts for Bearcat Football alongside our buddy

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Horde, passing away today after his health battle. So

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<v Speaker 2>prayers to everyone a UC and Clifton, especially the Alley

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<v Speaker 2>family and UH and Danny for that matter, took newnack

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<v Speaker 2>gay for a long time.

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<v Speaker 5>UH.

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<v Speaker 2>Willie's on the way coming up at twelve o six

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<v Speaker 2>here on the Home of the Best Bengals coverage, seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred W DOWT, Cincinnati