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Speaker 2: in Today. Scott Saderfield is at the podium. He's going

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bearcats getting ready to host Baylor this weekend. We'll

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Speaker 2: hear from Scott Saderfield today, you'll hear from Zach Taylor,

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Speaker 2: this afternoon. Plenty on the Bengals, plenty on college football,

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Speaker 2: plenty on the National Football League, and so much more

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Speaker 3: Austin.

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Speaker 2: I was sitting earlier today trying to figure out a

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Speaker 2: lot of other stories happening across the sports world, from

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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball last night and the Blue Jays punching

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Speaker 2: their ticket to the World Series a Monday night football doubleheader.

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Speaker 3: NBA is back.

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Speaker 2: The Bearcats are up to number twenty one in the

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Speaker 2: polls Luke Fickle got a vote of confidence. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how that happened. And tomorrow Big twelve media day

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Speaker 2: for the UC Bearcats, Big twelve media day for the

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Speaker 2: women's U SEE Bearcats. We had Big East where Xavier

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Speaker 3: In the Big East Conference. Among all of those Austin,

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Speaker 3: I believe Big East Media Day is today, Okay, Maison

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Speaker 3: Square Garden. So Xavier preseason ranked eighth in the Big

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Speaker 3: East poll. Out of all those that are happening in Austin,

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Speaker 3: what's the biggest story? Is it the Blue Jays? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think so, and more than anything. The bond forged

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Speaker 3: by Jeff Hoffman and David Bell and the way that

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Speaker 3: they have led Toronto to the Fall Classic. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of great storylines with that team. I mean, Toronto

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Speaker 3: they went and got George Springer Bell obviously David Bell

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Speaker 3: in the development of that entire organization. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think it's fun. I think it's a fun world Series.

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Speaker 3: I think half of America tunes out because it's the

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Speaker 3: America doesn't care about the Blue Jays. So I don't

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Speaker 3: Major League Baseball. I don't know why anybody cares about

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Speaker 3: shoe heyo Tani, I'm all in on that, you know what.

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Speaker 2: I think has been one of the hallmarks of the

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Speaker 2: playoffs up to this point, and it definitely laid true

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Speaker 2: last night as well. The teams that have made it

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Speaker 2: backs of their stars. I mean sho Heyo Tani single

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Speaker 2: handedly put together I think the most impressive game in

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Speaker 2: baseball history. Three home runs, ten strikeouts. Just what he

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Speaker 2: was able to do on Friday Night was unbelievable. But

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Speaker 2: if it would have been the Mariners Austin, we would

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Speaker 2: have talked about on Friday night Cayl Raleigh hitting a

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Speaker 2: seventh inning, three run home run when the Blue Jays

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Speaker 2: anything else, how about the postseason that Vlad Junior has had.

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Speaker 2: He's hitting four forty two this postseason, six home runs.

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Speaker 2: Austin to what you're talking about. Where people think it's

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Speaker 2: And the Dodgers they're great and I'm watching that in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just the depth of that roster and

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Speaker 3: They deserve a ton of credit.

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Speaker 2: The Dodgers ninety three and sixty nine in the regular season,

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Speaker 2: the Blue Jays ninety four and sixty eight. Blue Jays

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Speaker 2: will host game one Friday night at eight o'clock.

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Speaker 3: That'll be awesome. That's going to be fantastic to watch

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Speaker 3: Monday night, to show David Bell on the screen.

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Speaker 2: And for Don Mattingly, Donny Baseball, you said how many

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Speaker 3: Don Mattingly has been in baseball for forty years. Man

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Speaker 3: Never been to the World Series until now. That's cool

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not a coincidence. Nope, David Bell gets

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Speaker 2: I thought was the less interesting game. Seattle Seahawks beat

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Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks as a team that can contend? Jackson Smith

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Speaker 3: I think in the NFC it's the Rams or the Lions.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk more about those contenders as we

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Speaker 2: contender in the Detroit Lions. They beat the Tampa Bay

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Speaker 2: It's an uphill battle. They're dealing with so many injuries.

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Speaker 2: last night, man, I thought was more about the brilliance

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Speaker 3: It's been fun to see Detroit kind of come into

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Speaker 3: Can Detroit get back to that level? They played at

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Speaker 3: specifically through the air. All night. Baker Mayfield was second

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Speaker 2: Sad news yesterday as well, Former Tampa Bay Buccaneers running

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Speaker 2: The Oakland Police Department reported that prior to his death,

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Speaker 2: Martin was involved in a break in out of residence

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Speaker 2: In passing away one of.

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Speaker 3: The most fun players that's ever played for the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: I had a record rushing game of like two hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty six yards, I want to say, at one point,

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Speaker 3: and one of the best nicknames of all time, the

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Speaker 2: NBA, Yes, the National Basketball Association is back tonight. Rockets

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Speaker 2: and the Lakers will be your late game. Austin, we

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Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds good. Football in the NATI since he

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Speaker 3: coming back. But I mean there are reports out there.

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Speaker 3: Ian Rapaport rap she talked about it on Thursday, double

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Speaker 3: down on it again that he thinks Burrow can be

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Speaker 3: back for the last three games. Let's say that's Miami,

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Speaker 3: Arizona Cleveland starting December twenty first. If that's the case,

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Speaker 3: you should be doing everything in your power to make

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Speaker 3: this team viable in the meantime. Maybe that means trade

436
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Speaker 3: for a pass rusher. Maybe that means trade for a safety.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that means go after a tight end to the

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Speaker 3: absence of Mike GASICKI. I don't know, but we know

439
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Speaker 3: that this team has a bad defensive line, a bad

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Speaker 3: offensive line, and our poor tacklers. How can you, at

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Speaker 3: the bare minimum improve those things between now and the

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Speaker 3: time Burrow might get back so that you can make

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Speaker 3: a run at this thing.

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Speaker 2: Let's say that Burrow could get back for the Dolphins, Cardinals,

445
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Speaker 2: and Browns. Three opportunities to get wins. You currently, as

446
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 2: the Bengals sit at three wins, so give them six

447
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Speaker 2: if they win the last three is the number nine

448
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Speaker 2: is the number ten in the AFC That would get

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Speaker 2: you into the dance because now you start to count.

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Speaker 2: You know, at Buffalo without Burrow is going to be

451
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Speaker 2: a tough ask. Is the Baltimore game a little different

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Speaker 2: now based on how we've seen the Ravens, And I

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Speaker 2: think how the Ravens playing in the next couple weeks

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Speaker 2: will determine sure what those games look like.

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Speaker 3: Lamar didn't practice yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Man, you could make a case right now that Drake

457
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Speaker 2: may is the best quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's playing like that.

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Speaker 2: The way he's playing, that's a tough game against the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: You've got to go on the road against the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not crazy to say, Austin that the

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Speaker 2: next four if you find a way to win, could

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Speaker 2: get you in position to be viable if Burrow can

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Speaker 2: come back. Yeah, you're going to be favored against the Jets,

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Speaker 2: You'll be favored against the b You'll be a little

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Speaker 2: dog on the road to Pittsburgh and you get in

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Speaker 2: New England at home.

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Speaker 3: I will say this, I don't know that they're gonna

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Speaker 3: be favored against the Bears. Okay, I hear what you're saying,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know if I'm convinced on that yet,

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Speaker 3: But you're right overall the grand scheme of things, You're correct,

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Speaker 3: It's just to me, it goes back to the division.

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Speaker 3: They're two to zero in the division. You have Cleveland,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be Week eighteen, probably gonna be Shdoor Sanders

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Speaker 3: or who knows what other quarterback. By that point, you

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Speaker 3: expect to win that game. So that's three wins in

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Speaker 3: the division alone. Can you split with Baltimore? Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: if that's the case, you have a chance to win

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Speaker 3: the division no matter what happens in the other Steelers game.

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Speaker 3: And so, as far as I'm concerned, that continues to

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Speaker 3: be the number one goal, which is beat your division opponents.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's one thing if you lose in the NFC,

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Speaker 3: if you lose that game to the Bears, or if

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Speaker 3: you lose that game to the Cardinals, whatever, but can

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Speaker 3: you take care of business in the AFC against teams

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Speaker 3: that you're supposed to beat? And I did a whole

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Speaker 3: segment yesterday about there is none of that for the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that I go into any game expecting

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Speaker 3: them to win. I don't expect them to beat the

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Speaker 3: Jets because they have three major flaws that can get

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Speaker 3: you beat on any given Sunday. Can you improve that

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Speaker 3: between now and then? If I can see that, surely

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor and Duke Tobin can see that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're gonna have to answer questions and

495
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Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn is going to I'm sure say, Jamar Chase

496
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Speaker 2: isn't gonna get targeted twenty three times. You know what

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Speaker 2: kind of answers can you come up with. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: forward to seeing that on Sunday. I'm also looking forward

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Speaker 2: to continuing this conversation a little bit as it relates

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Speaker 2: to the holes that you just mentioned on this team.

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Speaker 2: Let's discuss some of those and if and how they

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Speaker 2: could be addressed when we come back. Well. Also, some

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Speaker 2: key takeaways from what Zach Taylor had to say yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Some Barreck Carter Breck Carter audio all leading up to

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Speaker 2: Joe Daneman at one o'clock. It's since he three sixty

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Speaker 3: who's the go to guy? Gonna be the interviews?

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Speaker 5: In d Lap, You famously convinced your fellow offensive lineman

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Speaker 5: a psychological advantage or a physical one?

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it was both in you know,

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Speaker 4: that's I was thinking that initially was come from the east.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm from the New England area. I've gone

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Speaker 4: not like that. That was butality, man, And of course

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Speaker 4: those kind of conditions. Unbelievable. I mean it was it

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Speaker 4: you were falling on concrete.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: I want to pick back up real quick on the

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Speaker 2: conversation we were just having Austin. You made a mention

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Speaker 2: as well about you know that no game is a

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Speaker 2: given because of the glaring holes that this team has,

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Speaker 2: and I agree, which is crazy that I'm even leaning

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Speaker 2: this way, because we've talked about Geno Stone and I've

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Speaker 2: never seen a safety in football in a cover two

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Speaker 2: formation get as wide as Genostone has been getting. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how that works. We've also spent a lot

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Speaker 2: of time all off season and into the season talking

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Speaker 2: about the offensive line, which is crazy that I'm even

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Speaker 2: leaning this way. But if I were given the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to address one position group at the deadline, I think

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Speaker 2: I would go d line like Trey Hendrickson did not

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Speaker 2: play on Thursday and man, you want to talk about

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Speaker 2: a golden opportunity for Shamar Stewart Thursday night football, Trey

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson's out all eyes on. You do you know Shamar

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Speaker 2: Stewart's stat line on Thursday Night? I know it wasn't

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Speaker 2: very good.

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Speaker 3: He didn't have one.

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Speaker 2: Pretty quiet didn't have a stat in twenty two snaps.

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Speaker 2: This pass rush is abysmal. Forty one year old Aaron

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Speaker 2: Rogers stood in the pocket as long as he wanted.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers scrambled more than I've seen Aaron Rodgers scramble

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Speaker 2: in years to move around and buy time. They have

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Speaker 2: no pass rush, which doesn't matter who's playing safety if

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Speaker 2: you can't get and disrupt the quarterback. So as crazy

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Speaker 2: as it sounds, Austin knowing the holes at the O line,

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Speaker 2: knowing the glaring needed safety, if I could only address

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Speaker 2: one position, I think I addressed D line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't. There's no way I could disagree with that.

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Speaker 3: Like last night or Thursday night, at this point the

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Speaker 3: time that Rogers had, he comfortably picked them apart. The

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Speaker 3: Bengals offense was just better and Mike Tomlin had one

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Speaker 3: stupid punt that basically gave the Bengals a chance. And

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Speaker 3: you know you cannot do that against Patrick Mahomes. You

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Speaker 3: can't do that against Josh Allen. No, can't do that

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Speaker 3: against Lamar Jackson and Rogers. For many years you would

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Speaker 3: say the same thing. But I don't know that he

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Speaker 3: has the best team around him, and their defense is atrocious.

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Speaker 3: But against teams with good defenses, you can't allow that

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Speaker 3: to happen, correct, And so I agree with you something

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Speaker 3: or someone to put more pressure on the quarterback because

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Speaker 3: that in and of itself will help your secondary a

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Speaker 3: little bit. And so you can in that sense kill

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Speaker 3: two birds with one stone, which is crazy though because

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Speaker 3: of how killed How about that?

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Speaker 2: It's just crazy to think that where the deficiencies are,

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Speaker 2: that we could still think offensive line. That to me

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Speaker 2: is crazy, but I think it speaks to how glaring

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Speaker 2: of an issue that is. Yeah, now that being said,

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Speaker 2: do you think they do something like that?

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Speaker 3: Uh? No, I'm not convinced. Like, yeah, they've made trades

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Speaker 3: the last couple of years, and I've been the one

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Speaker 3: touting more than anyone else that the Bengals have changed.

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Speaker 3: But when it comes to this type of aggressive move.

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Speaker 3: We really haven't seen that. I've said it multiple times.

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Speaker 3: That's the next step in the evolution for this team

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Speaker 3: is being aggressive in the pursuit of a championship while

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Speaker 3: in season. I don't see them doing that, and I

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Speaker 3: would love to be proven wrong, but I don't have

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Speaker 3: a high expectation for that.

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Speaker 2: So the deadline is November fourth. Between now and then,

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Speaker 2: they have games against the Jets and Bears, and then

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Speaker 2: they're on their by coming out against the Steelers. So

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Speaker 2: if you look at a bye week astin, you could

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Speaker 2: have a better bye week than the trade deadline because

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Speaker 2: you could add somebody and then have them up the

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Speaker 2: speed to start right out of the deadline, right out

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Speaker 2: of the break. Would it require at minimum two and

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Speaker 2: zero over the next two to be a legitimate buyer? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean anything under five hundred the deadline, I think

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Speaker 2: you're out. But it feels to me like if you

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Speaker 2: win these next two and we're talking about the uneasy

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Speaker 2: landscape that is right now, what the AFC, yes, go buy.

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Speaker 3: What should happen is you win on Sunday and buy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you don't have to wait, so you be the team

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Speaker 3: that's first in, Go get the best guy you can

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Speaker 3: get and have him for an extra game against the Bears,

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Speaker 3: and then he gets the bye week, and you know,

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Speaker 3: you figure it out from that. I mean, if we're

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Speaker 3: talking about a pass rusher. Yeah, it's not like they

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Speaker 3: need to come in and they need twelve days to

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Speaker 3: get the playbook down. Right, Hey, go out there on

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Speaker 3: third downs, right, get after the quarterback. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just again, I I'd rather them do it sooner

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Speaker 2: rather than later. And if you get a win and

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Speaker 2: you get back to five hundred, and there are rumblings

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Speaker 2: that Joe Burrow is on track to make it back

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Speaker 2: for the last three games. If they're in position, then

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Speaker 2: by all means, go for it. I also Austin, speaking

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Speaker 2: of Joe Burrow, I don't think it's a coincidence that

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Speaker 2: him being on the sideline made this offense look different.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to overreact because I I think

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco had a ton to do with it. But

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Speaker 2: Burrow being on the sideline and being a voice for

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Speaker 2: Flacco when he comes off or handling other things, I

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Speaker 2: think is understated how important that was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why do we what's up with the formation of

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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks? On the sideline. Can you speak to this?

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Speaker 3: I mean, everybody has their spot starter sits at the end.

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Speaker 3: I said, back up in the middle, guy at the end?

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Speaker 3: Can can? We said? Can switch? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Can Browning just move? I don't need Burrow talking over

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Speaker 2: Browning to get the Flacco. Yeah, because I so. Albert

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Speaker 2: Breer mentioned, no disrespect, but can we.

646
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: So?

647
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: Albert Breer wrote this up about Burrow's involvement. He said, quote,

648
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: uh mentioned in our Thursday column that Flacco and center

649
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: Ted Carriss were having lunch film session together. Ted's great,

650
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: but there was someone else in there too. When Ted

651
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: and I met, Joe went up there and sat with

652
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: us and just chimed in. Here's how I would do that,

653
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: Here's what I would tell you guys. And it was

654
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: one of those things where I would say, Okay, I'm

655
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: not going to worry about that, or okay, this is helpful.

656
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: You can tell how much Burrow was invested. Yeah, I

657
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: think that's huge. Like so, if there's one thing I

658
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: can speak speak of Austin, it's the backup quarterback role.

659
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: It's not a role where as soon as Flacco gets

660
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: off the field, you're braiding him with things. Sure, it

661
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: is do you want me to watch anything you know

662
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: for Flaker? You might say, hey, can you keep an

663
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: eye on third downs for me what they're doing at

664
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: the back end, or you know, it's not Joe Burrow's

665
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: place as a backup when Flacco gets off the field

666
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: to just dice up everything that just happened. It is

667
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: more so I'm here if you want to ask me

668
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: a question about stuff, a formation, a play where you

669
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: look on this, what you're watching out four on this.

670
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: But it is also like I saw there was a

671
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: point in the game where Burrow was over there talking

672
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: to Andre Yoshibash. That's important too, sure for Burrow not

673
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: Floco to go over there and say, hey, here's what's

674
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: going on. Make sure you're ready for this, and then

675
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: Joe can go and talk to Flacco again.

676
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. And a perfect example is that thirty seven yard

677
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: completion that Yoshibash had and Flacco said after the game,

678
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 3: we knew at some point they were going to bracket

679
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: Tea and Jamar and when they did, we had to

680
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: be able to hit it. And it could be as

681
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 3: simple as Joe goes up to Yoshi and says, listen,

682
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: they're going to go to this soon or this is

683
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 3: what it's going to look like. Here's how Joe's thinking.

684
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 3: He wants to put that ball Bubba whatever it is,

685
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: and bang they hit that big completion to keep him

686
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: in the game. Yeah.

687
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: I just I think there is there's no coincidence that

688
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: there is value with Joe Burrow being on the sidelines

689
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: and being in the meetings.

690
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 3: His words carry a little bit more weight. Correct, correct,

691
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: His words carry a little bit more weight to everybody,

692
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: not just the other quart of And I also think

693
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: he's been around especially you know, obviously not when they

694
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: go to Green Bay and stuff like that, but he

695
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 3: has been around and in the facility.

696
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: Ye know that, Yes, but to be you know, as

697
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: Flacco said, I'm sitting there watching film with Ted and

698
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: Joe wanted to be in there. That's important because he

699
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be doing that, but the stay connected

700
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: and to try to offer any input. Like I said,

701
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: he's not in there to talk on every play. He's

702
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 2: in there. If if Flacco has a question to say,

703
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: this is how I would do it. But this is

704
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 2: what I'm looking at here. I just wish they would

705
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: move when they sit on the bench. What are we doing?

706
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: No offense to Jake Browning. I don't think there's a

707
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: lot that Browning can tell Flacco when he comes off

708
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: the field. Just let Joe sit there. Yeah, unbelievable. Let's

709
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: take a little bit away from what Zach Taylor had

710
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 2: to say yesterday. We'll discuss that when we come back

711
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: on this the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty

712
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station, Cincinnati.

713
00:37:59,320 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: To make us do.

714
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: Old cap two outs, top of the nine, team seven

715
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: of the a l C s.

716
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 3: Hop pitch payoff, pitch he Busys win them, Baecks, Dog Blues, Eggs,

717
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: win them, Bannets. They're going to the World Series.

718
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 5: It's so good.

719
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 3: We must be dreaming. Blue Jays. No, then none moment

720
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: than Ourners, and then they will take God the LA Doctors.

721
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: How about that?

722
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: I got goosebumps. What a call, What a moment that

723
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: would be to listen to for your team one time?

724
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: I got goosebumps, man Like, Goosebump's just thinking about it.

725
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: That was pretty cool.

726
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: Might hear something? You think we'll hear some of that

727
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: from west Miller tomorrow. Okay, Bump's just thinking about it.

728
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: Goosebumps, just thinking about Seana By by the way, shooting triples,

729
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: UC basketball all time Big Ten exhibition game dominance last

730
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: year over Ohio State. This year, you guys owned in

731
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: exhibition games. Thank you.

732
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: That call was our wind Shuler Call of the day,

733
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: brought to you by wind Schuler's Delicious Cheese Spreads. Austin,

734
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: don't ask why taste why any of the four fantastic flavors,

735
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: whether it's football get togethers, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year, anything

736
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: in between. Make Win Schulers a part of your next

737
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: get together. Zach Taylor spoke to members of the media yesterday. Now, Austin,

738
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: he's also speaking tomorrow, right, so we don't need to

739
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: just play fifteen minutes of Zach Taylor speaking today and

740
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: then hear from him tomorrow again. We're gonna hear from

741
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 2: Scott Saderfield later in the show. We'll have some West

742
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: Miller audio. We're gonna talk did Joe danaum in just

743
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: a few minutes? Were there any big takeaways well from

744
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: yesterday's Zach Taylor Prescott.

745
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 3: I watched the whole thing, and Zach kept it short.

746
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 3: It was only nine minutes, which you know, coming off

747
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: of many buye I get it. Here were the big

748
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: takeaways that I had. Number One, Trey Hendrickson is day

749
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: to day, still dealing with that back and hip injury. Okay.

750
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 3: The belief is that the conference is wide open and

751
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: there are a lot of good teams, but the Bengals

752
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: feel like they're right there in it, and that affects

753
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 3: decision making. The record of the Jets is not their focus,

754
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: or the Bengals record is not their focus. Don't care

755
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 3: about being three and four, don't care about getting four

756
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: and four. Just care about winning this week. Win in

757
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: the day. Okay, this is a much more normal week

758
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 3: for Joe Flacco, and instead of cramming and worrying about

759
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: all this stuff, you have stuff to build off of.

760
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 3: Not a surprise there, he said, Playing with the lead

761
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: opened up the entire run game. I would like your

762
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: explanation for that. What does he mean by when you're

763
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: playing with the lead, you have the entire call sheot

764
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: in front of you, and it opens up the run game.

765
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: Explain that, Well, when you're playing from behind a lot

766
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: of times, you become one dimensional. Sure, right, so a

767
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: team can pin their ears back a little bit easier

768
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: to get after the quarterback teams don't respect the run

769
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 2: as much. When you're playing from ahead, clearly everything is open.

770
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: Play action, run the ball, under center runs, shotgun runs.

771
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: It just opens everything up for an offense and for

772
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: a defense. It makes it tough because you're not forcing

773
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: a team to be one dimensional. When you're down, you know,

774
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: a score, two scores, you know, you get into that

775
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: double digit deficit. You have banned in the running game anyway,

776
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: and that just plays right into what a defense wants

777
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: to do. So when you're playing even or when you're

778
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: playing with the lead, everything's on the table and you

779
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: can be a little bit more creative. You can mow

780
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: outside zone, inside zone, play action, pass runs, from gun,

781
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: throws from under center. You get to mix everything up,

782
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: and it just keeps a defense on their heels.

783
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: More final point that I had from the Zach Taylor

784
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: press conference was that the Jets are not a winless

785
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: team on tape. Oh So, anybody, anybody in the building

786
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: who thinks that the Jets are an easy win or

787
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: somebody that the Bengals are just going to walk all

788
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 3: over that's concerning to Zach Taylor because that means they

789
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: haven't watched the tape. Yes, okay, if you watch the

790
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: tape and you think that this team's zero and seven,

791
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: you ain't been watching a tape, is what Zach Taylor's trying. Okay,

792
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: I'll buy it. I mean I get while you do it,

793
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: so I'll buy it. Okay.

794
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: The Jets on the year two point loss to the

795
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: Steelers thirty four to thirty two. They got blown out

796
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: by the Bills. They only lost to Tampa by two.

797
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: Dolphins beat him, Cowboys boat raced him. They had that

798
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: tough loss to Denver thirteen to eleven, and then just

799
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: lost to the Panthers thirteen to six. Has obviously disappeared

800
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: for the New York Jets. There was one other thing

801
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: in there you talked about Austin when when talking about

802
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: the AFC as a whole, how many as we sit

803
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: here today, I don't want to talk about playoff teams?

804
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: How many? How many teams in the AFC do you

805
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: view right now as a Super Bowl contender? Teams in

806
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: the AFC? Yep, you think one legitimately can win a

807
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: Super Bowl? Two three, So I would guess you put

808
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 3: Buffalo in Kansas City in there. Yes, who's the third team?

809
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: The Indianapolis Golts Okay, they convinced me this week. Okay,

810
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 3: they convinced me that they are. I can be bought

811
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: into that. They have a run game, and they have

812
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: a defense, and they protect their quarterback and they have

813
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 3: invested on that defensive line. Yeah.

814
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make about the Chargers. I'm

815
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: not there with the Broncos. I don't think Jacksonville has

816
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: stayed in power. No one in the AFC North right

817
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: now gives me super Bowl contender vibes. And I think

818
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: the Patriots are trending that way, but I don't think

819
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: they're there yet. Can the Bengals win the Super Bowl

820
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: right now?

821
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: No? No, no, no? Can they? Can they win the

822
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 3: Super Bowl if they make a couple moves? Yeah? Probably,

823
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: maybe potentially. Yeah, it becomes a lot more realistic. Correct,

824
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: as they're constructed now, They're not realistic right now. As

825
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: they're constructed now, they what if they're only what if

826
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 3: they Okay, let's say that they are seven and seven

827
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: and Burrow comes back for the final three games? Are

828
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: they a Super Bowl contender? Yes? Okay, same question, NFC.

829
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 4: I have.

830
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: The Rams and the Lions. Okay, Tampa's not in there

831
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: for you. No, not right now, not with the injuries.

832
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 3: Packer's not in there for you. No, Eagle's not in there. No, Okay, I.

833
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: Think there are more. I think there are more contending

834
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: teams in the NFC than the AFC.

835
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I agree with that. It's LA and Detroit and

836
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: then a sizeable gap. Okay, you get to that next group.

837
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: For me, Okay, it's crazy because green Bay started the

838
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: season looked like the clear cut favorites. They've just not

839
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: looked as sharp. They Philly just feels like they're not

840
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: clicking at all, and yet they're still winning football games.

841
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: My cousin is a big Packer fan and a big

842
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: fan of since he three to sixty shout out. So

843
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: I asked him, you know, to ask about the Packers,

844
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: and he says, sometimes they have an elite defense. The

845
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: rest of the time they're clueless. That's not what you

846
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: want to be dispeople, the people in Green Bay, and

847
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: I got to speak with these people. They don't love

848
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur. Yea, everything's a walk in the park. They

849
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: played down to their opponents. There's not enough urgency and

850
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 2: Jordan Love, as you and I have talked about many times,

851
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: can't make up his mind whether or not he's a

852
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: great quarterback.

853
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

854
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: They, I mean they didn't show well in the second

855
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: half against the Bengals. They tied the Cowboys, they lost

856
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: to the Browns, and had to come from behind to

857
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: beat the Cardinals this weekend. Correct, let's take a break.

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