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Speaker 2: It's the average American and for the great American on

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Speaker 2: Could be only the tip of the iceberg when it

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot percolating. And also the.

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Speaker 2: Final weekend of the Winter Olympics in Italy and the

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Speaker 2: United States in a number of areas have acquitted itself

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Speaker 2: very very well. Speed skater Jordan stoles, two golds, one silver,

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Speaker 2: epicenter of sports. There's no question about it. These are

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Speaker 1: These are people that have dedicated their short lives but

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Speaker 2: I mean, we saw what happened with American figure skater

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Speaker 2: Spotlight doesn't always shine the best on anyone, let alone

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Speaker 2: Vince Pacente on the show before He's a former Olympian

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Speaker 2: New York Times bestseller as well, and someone who competed

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Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety two at the Olympic Games, a finalist

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Speaker 2: in speed skiing, record holder one hundred and thirty five

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Speaker 2: the show. Vince, how are you on this glorious Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Well, Ken, good to talk to you again, and everybody listening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, before we get into what may or may not

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Speaker 2: That wasn't down the ski jump, that was speed skiing.

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Speaker 2: What give me what that's all about?

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Speaker 3: Well, every Olympics up until Barcelona, the host committee would

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Speaker 2: The skis are one hundred and twenty four centimeters long.

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Speaker 1: Holy crow? What made you choose that two forties?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I losed for a couple of

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Speaker 2: I highlighted the highs and the lows of the Olympics,

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Speaker 3: It's uh, you know, the human experience is not all roses, right.

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Speaker 2: Ben SPACENTI, great to catch up with you again. Good

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you sir.

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Speaker 2: Take care of you venture. You're at rapid pro dev.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's most the keynote speeches. But also I've been

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Speaker 2: I know this because I know Jeff Ostrowski, and I've

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Speaker 2: had Jeff on the show many times. He's kind of

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Speaker 2: like their mortgage guy for bankrate dot Com. And when

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Speaker 2: I saw this new story that came out this week

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Speaker 2: from bank Right about mortgage rates and about what Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is trying to do and what the the whole

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Speaker 2: housing industry is trying to rebound from, I said, you know,

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Speaker 2: I got to get him on. So he said he

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Speaker 2: would join me today, and he's true to his word.

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Speaker 2: There is splashing euphemistically speaking online too. Jeff, how are

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Speaker 2: you on this glorious Thursday?

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Speaker 4: I am good.

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Speaker 8: And mortgage rates are getting more affordable, So that's that

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Speaker 8: could be some good news for the spring home budding season.

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Speaker 2: Okay, see, I guess the big reason is why are

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Speaker 2: they more affordable? I mean some people are credit credit

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Speaker 2: being President Donald Trump and the Fannie May and Freddie

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Speaker 2: Mac directives to buy two hundred billion in mortgage backed

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Speaker 2: securities to analyze that as above my pay grade or

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Speaker 2: is it something more organic than that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's partly that Trump policy that you just mentioned,

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Speaker 8: but only very partly. So mortgage rates were coming down anyway,

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Speaker 8: and the mortgage rates are pretty complicated. They move generally

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Speaker 8: with the federal funds rate, which is set by this

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Speaker 8: Federal Reserve, but not always and not in lockstep, so

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Speaker 8: you know, generally the.

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Speaker 4: Easing along with interest rates overall.

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Speaker 8: But really it's just a complicated interplay between things like inflation,

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Speaker 8: the job markets, the ten year treasury yields, investor expectations

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Speaker 8: about the economy. So all of those things have caused

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Speaker 8: mortgage rates to fall a bit. So rates spiked all

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Speaker 8: the way to eight percent back in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 8: and now they're at their lowest levels since September of

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: So, okay, all the things you just mentioned that affect

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Speaker 2: mortgage rates, I'm trying to envision how this stuff gets done.

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Speaker 2: So all of that information comes in and then what

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Speaker 2: a bunch of people meet in a room at a

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Speaker 2: lending company or a bank and they say, yeah, let's

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Speaker 2: set it at that. Because it seems to me that

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Speaker 2: if you're in the lending business, if you're in the

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Speaker 2: bank business, you don't want to get crazy when money

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Speaker 2: is bad. You don't want to get parsimonious when money

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Speaker 2: is good. So I mean, how do they actually arrive

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Speaker 2: at that? And is it almost collusionary because a lot

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Speaker 2: of these rates are within tens of percentage points of

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Speaker 2: each other.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think it's more complicated than that. So

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Speaker 8: you know, part of it is that those lenders who

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Speaker 8: are sitting in a room setting a rate, I aren't

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Speaker 8: really setting the rate for themselves, setting the rate knowing

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Speaker 8: that they're going to resell these these loans. I mean,

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Speaker 8: the reality is most mortgage loans don't stay with the

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Speaker 8: bank that originated them. They're almost all of them are resold.

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Speaker 8: They're packaged as mortgage backed securities. They're they're resold to investors,

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Speaker 8: you know, pension funds around the world. So it's the

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Speaker 8: it's kind of a strange.

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Speaker 4: Product in that way.

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Speaker 8: So your lender might be Rocket or Wells Fargo or

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Speaker 8: or you know, fifth third.

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Speaker 4: Bank or whoever it is.

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Speaker 8: But once that lender originates the loan, they're really not

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Speaker 8: even touching it again. So it's it's pretty much sold

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Speaker 8: off almost you know, as soon as it's as it's originated.

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Speaker 8: And then the lenders are really they're not necessarily calling

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Speaker 8: the shots so much as just reacting to what's happening

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Speaker 8: in the mortgage market. And it's it's mainly those investors

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Speaker 8: in mortgage backed securities who are are setting the rates

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Speaker 8: just just based.

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Speaker 4: On you know, what they're what they're buying, what they're.

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Speaker 2: Willing to pankh So the house or the bank whoever,

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Speaker 2: they'll they'll issue the loan and then, as you've just said,

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Speaker 2: flip it, and they flip it certainly at a profit

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Speaker 2: for the for the bank, they'll flip it at a

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Speaker 2: more advantageous I would guess percentage than what they issued

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Speaker 2: the loan at. I mean, that's that's how the system works.

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Speaker 5: Right Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't know that I would even use.

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Speaker 8: The word flip because you know, flip sort of has

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Speaker 8: a connotation of I'm making a quick profit or you know,

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Speaker 8: buy buying at one price and selling at a higher price.

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Speaker 8: Really it's more like the lenders are just sort of

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Speaker 8: a marketing arm there. They're the convenient way for for

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Speaker 8: a consumer to get the mortgage and then But the

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Speaker 8: idea all along, and this has been the case for decades,

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Speaker 8: is that the loan is not going to sit there

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Speaker 8: on the bank's balance sheet. It's it's going to be

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Speaker 8: repackaged and sold that into the global financial markets.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking at this, this story that was on

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Speaker 2: bank rate dot com, and it really gets down to

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Speaker 2: the heart of the matter. The average home, according to

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Speaker 2: HUD in the United States sold in December of this

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Speaker 2: past year was a little over four hundred thousand dollars. Now,

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Speaker 2: obviously this is an average. This is not the average

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Speaker 2: price of a home in Cincinnati, but it's an average

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Speaker 2: price nationwide, and based on twenty percent down and a

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Speaker 2: rate that's out there right now, which I think is

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Speaker 2: six point one six for a thirty year fixed your

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Speaker 2: principle and interest is going to be just a few

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Speaker 2: dollars short of two thousand dollars a month on the

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Speaker 2: principle on interest, and then you have to factor on

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Speaker 2: insurance and maybe mortgage insurance, who knows. But the fact

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Speaker 2: of the matter is on an average home right now,

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Speaker 2: you're probably looking at a payment somewhere close to twenty

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Speaker 2: five hundred dollars a month in the United States. That

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Speaker 2: seems okay, I think if you're making a decent buck,

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Speaker 2: But if you're somebody that's making the average salary of

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Speaker 2: somebody in the United States, that's still are pretty tough

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Speaker 2: nut to crack, is it not.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, there there's been all kinds of the talk

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Speaker 8: around affordability.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's certainly.

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Speaker 8: There was that decade from the Great Recession until twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty when when home prices were going up pretty pretty gradually,

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Speaker 8: pretty steadily. Then of course the pandemic hit at home

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Speaker 8: price is shot up there at record levels. They're that

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Speaker 8: four hundred thousand dollars number that you mentioned is about right.

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Speaker 8: That's the national median, and it's you know, it's certainly

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Speaker 8: cheaper in midwestern market, it's more expensive in coastal markets.

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Speaker 5: But it's I mean.

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Speaker 8: To a ford a median price home in the US

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Speaker 8: right now, with these mortgage rates, you need at about

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Speaker 8: one hundred and ten thousand plus and income, and so that's.

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Speaker 4: That's daunting for a lot of people.

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Speaker 8: I mean, if you've got two way journers who are

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Speaker 8: making fifty or sixty grand at a piece. You can

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Speaker 8: you can swing it. But but yeah, affordability definitely has

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Speaker 8: been difficult over the past years, and that's playing out

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Speaker 8: in all kinds of ways. So you know, for instance,

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Speaker 8: the median age of first time home buyers now is

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Speaker 8: all the way up to forty. So a generation ago

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Speaker 8: it was thirty. It was unaccounting for people to buy

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Speaker 8: their first house in the late twenties, early thirties, and

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Speaker 8: now it's gotten tougher, and so a lot of Americans

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Speaker 8: are really putting off home ownership for an extra five years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of people are sitting on their property.

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Speaker 2: Boomers get I think unfair criticism for this, But the

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Speaker 2: fact of the matter is if you got into a home,

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Speaker 2: or you changed a home, or you bought a second

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Speaker 2: property during COVID when these rates were down in some

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Speaker 2: cases below three percent, you're reticent to sell that right

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Speaker 2: now because if you sell and move, you're going to

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Speaker 2: be paying well. In this case, for example, if it

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Speaker 2: was three percent, you'd be more than twice on your

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Speaker 2: percentage than what you got a product for back in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and one. So I think there's some movement

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Speaker 2: that is loosened up lately, but it's certainly not the

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Speaker 2: way it was even before COVID. Is that a fair analysis?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 8: You just described the mortgage lock in effect, and so

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Speaker 8: Americans are staying.

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Speaker 4: In their homes longer.

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Speaker 8: There just aren't a whole lot of homeowners who are saying, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 8: I want to give up my three percent.

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Speaker 5: Rate and swap it out for a six percent rate.

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Speaker 4: And so that's easing a bit.

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Speaker 8: You know, over time, life happens, you know, whether it's

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Speaker 8: a job change or death or divorce.

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Speaker 4: But the reality is what you just described.

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Speaker 8: Which is most homeowners that are saying, hey, maybe in

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Speaker 8: a more normal mortgage market, I'd be willing to move,

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Speaker 8: but in this reality, I don't want to move, And

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Speaker 8: so that has really slowed down the pace of home sales.

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Speaker 8: So the number of home sales is very low just

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Speaker 8: because there aren't a lot of people moving. There aren't

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Speaker 8: a lot of homeowners who are willing to sell. So yeah,

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Speaker 8: it's definitely kind of a frozen housing market right now.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Ostrowski, our guest. He is with bankrate dot Com.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I'm looking here Jeff is twice one Gold

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Speaker 2: Medal awards for the National Association of Real Estate Editors.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic. It's kind of like the Olympics for you.

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Speaker 8: Huh yeah, something like that podium ceremony.

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Speaker 1: Did you get to stand on a podium.

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Speaker 4: Well, there wasn't a ceremony. It was not dramatic, is

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Speaker 4: what you're envisioning from when.

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Speaker 2: He's also the author of the book How to Buy

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Speaker 2: a Home in a Miserable Market. It's available now in

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Speaker 2: paperbook and e book on Amazon. I see a lot

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Speaker 2: of reaction from some of your contemporaries here about what

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Speaker 2: rates look like for the rest of this year, and

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Speaker 2: for example, since this stuff is so fluid, the rest

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Speaker 2: of the week, man, I'm sure you know. Mark Hamrick,

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Speaker 2: the Washington Bureau chief, says, look, we've seen some big

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Speaker 2: moves lately, but a remarkable unseen, barring and unseen development.

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Speaker 2: He looked for little change in rates over the next week.

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Speaker 2: So if you're standing by and thinking maybe it might

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Speaker 2: be better in a week to jump in and get

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Speaker 2: that product, according to Mark, he doesn't think that. What

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Speaker 2: do you think both short term and long term? Twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six, with these rates is six percent about it?

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Speaker 2: Or do you think it could dip on a thirty

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Speaker 2: year fixed below five percent?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, consensus is that six percent is going to be

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Speaker 8: the low point for the foreseeable future. So according to

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Speaker 8: Bankert's latest national survey, which came out this week, the

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Speaker 8: average thirty year mortgage is six point zero nine percent,

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Speaker 8: so just over six percent. That's the lowest in September

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Speaker 8: of twenty twenty two. But it's hard to see any

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Speaker 8: real reason for mortgage rates to fall significantly. And you know,

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Speaker 8: part of it is that mortgage rates fall when there's

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Speaker 8: bad economic news. So during the pandemic, mortgage rates fell

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Speaker 8: all the way to three percent and even low because

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Speaker 8: the world was in a global crisis and you know,

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Speaker 8: everyone that thought the world economy could could.

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Speaker 4: Collapse, and so that was what drove rates down.

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Speaker 8: Then when it became clear that the world wasn't going

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Speaker 8: to end, mortgage rates shot all the way up to

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Speaker 8: eight percent. So and you know, nobody wants an eight

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Speaker 8: percent mortgage rate when they're used to three percent. But

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Speaker 8: by the same token, those eight percent mortgage rates were

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Speaker 8: reflected good news, a strong economy, hiring economic activity. And

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Speaker 8: so I say all that just to say that, yes,

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Speaker 8: it would probably be a good jolt for the housing

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Speaker 8: market if mortgage rates were to fall below six percent

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Speaker 8: and stay there, but there would that would probably be

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Speaker 8: because something else was going wrong in the economy. So

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Speaker 8: the consensus is mortgage rates are probably going to be

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Speaker 8: at about six percent for the rest of the year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good forecasting and probably be good no knowledge going

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Speaker 2: forward for people that want to buy homes and homes

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Speaker 2: here in the greater Cincinnati area. Okay, Jeff, appreciate your

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Speaker 2: time as always, You stay well and we'll be in touch.

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Speaker 4: Okay, great, Thanks Ken, Now you're.

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Speaker 1: Good news and bad news.

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Speaker 2: Where it is right now is not good compared to

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Speaker 2: where it was in twenty twenty one, but that was COVID.

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Speaker 2: That's just different, different time, different circumstance and whatever. But

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Speaker 2: it doesn't look like it is going to appreciably go

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Speaker 2: down over the next month. And as you heard, there's

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Speaker 2: some that think it's probably just going to hover exactly

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Speaker 2: where it is. So sometimes if you wait, it gets better.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like it's going to get better if you wait.

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Speaker 2: Be that as it will. We press on. We have

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Speaker 2: a lot to get to between now and three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Why does Kentucky have a higher divorce rate than Ohio

676
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Speaker 2: and Indiana. We'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: And also.

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Speaker 2: If your kids on social media too much and it's

679
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Speaker 2: hooked and they're addicted to it, is that really Mark

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Speaker 2: Zuckerberg's fault. All of that lawes ahead on this Thursday,

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Speaker 2: the Average American in for the Great American News Radio

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Speaker 2: seven hundred w l W. All right, welcome back, seven

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Speaker 2: hundred WYLW. It's the average American and for the Great

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Speaker 2: American on this glorious Thursday. Great to have you with us.

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Speaker 2: A lot going on in the world, certainly going on

686
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Speaker 2: in the Strait of Hormuz, and also what's going on

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Speaker 2: with regards to the royal family in London where Prince

688
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: Charles is spoken out against his brother, the former Prince Andrew,

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Speaker 2: who is now under arrest. They locked him in a

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Speaker 2: slammer for his misconduct as it's being alleged. Doesn't sound

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Speaker 2: like it's directly in response to what he may or

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Speaker 2: may not have done on Epstein Island or anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it might have been some payments or whatnot.

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Speaker 2: Nevertheless, it's a huge scandal again with the Royal family,

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Speaker 2: so we are keeping our eye on that as well

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Speaker 2: as well as this trial that's going on in Los Angeles. Basically,

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Speaker 2: it centers around claims that social media platforms were conducting

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00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: business that might have been addictive to underage children. In

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Speaker 2: this sense, they could not resist going on Facebook or

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Speaker 2: Instagram or any other platform YouTube was involved in. This

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Speaker 2: was brought by a woman who's now in her twenties

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Speaker 2: named Kayley, who alleged that she was exposed to addictive

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Speaker 2: design features as a child. Her lawyer claims she got

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Speaker 2: hooked on social media apps at the tender age of six.

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Speaker 2: And now this woman and I guess her mother, have

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Speaker 2: brought suit against all the major platforms, and it had

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Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg, who seems like he's testifying in something every

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Speaker 2: other week. It brought Zuckerberg to the stand and on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: where he was peppered with questions by Kaylee's attorney, man

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Speaker 2: by the name of Mark Lanier, who asked if a

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Speaker 2: company should take advantage of vulnerable people, and Zuckerberg says,

712
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Speaker 2: like any other CEO would be. Look, I got a company.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to make business, trying to do business. We

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Speaker 2: try to do as many safeguards as possible, he said,

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Speaker 2: I think a reasonable company should try and help the

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Speaker 2: people who try and.

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Speaker 1: Use its services. So we'll see where the trial goes.

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Speaker 2: But it raised the question in my mind, Okay, you

719
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Speaker 2: probably use Facebook, you probably use YouTube. Wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 2: if your daughter or your son is on Instagram. Where's

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Speaker 2: mom and dad in all of this? Where is the

722
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Speaker 2: parental control in all of this? Or did we've just

723
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: let junior loose on a computer? And that's why this

724
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: particular woman, a twenty year old woman, is in the

725
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: state that she claims she's in after being quote unquote

726
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: dragged into, seduced whatever it may be, by Facebook and

727
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: Instagram and YouTube. Now there's nobody that is more up

728
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: to speed and in tune what's going on with social

729
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: media than my next guest. I have had Dominic Mezzerindino

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Speaker 2: on my show many times before, because it seems like

731
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 2: before it was known as social media, Dominic was there.

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Speaker 2: He knows what it can do both from a creative standpoint,

733
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Speaker 2: he probably knows the dark side of it as well.

734
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Speaker 2: I wanted to get him on today just to talk

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Speaker 2: about this because I think I think this isn't as

736
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Speaker 2: cut and dry as it may seem in a courtroom.

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Speaker 2: So let's welcome him in dominic. How are you on

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Speaker 2: this glorious Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Wonderful, my friend.

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Speaker 5: It's been a while and I'm glad to connect again.

741
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you're here. Now.

742
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Speaker 2: Look this this trial that's going on in Los Angeles.

743
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Speaker 1: You probably heard my intro.

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00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: They want Suckerberg, they want they want, they want something,

745
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: they want money, they want something. But it just smacks

746
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: of maybe mom didn't have a complete control over what

747
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: the daughter was doing on her computer.

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong.

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Speaker 4: I this one?

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Speaker 5: I don't agree with you as much. You know, I

751
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 5: think every parent wants to have their eyes and what

752
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 5: their kids doing. So you say, hey, don't go down

753
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 5: that street, corner, don't cross that avenue. But what we're

754
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 5: talking about with social media is everywhere it is easily obtained.

755
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 5: There are I mean, you can get on Amazon, iPad,

756
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 5: to go on Wi Fi could easily if you wanted.

757
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Speaker 5: You don't have to just to work around your parents

758
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 5: is not a very difficult journey for the average kid.

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Speaker 5: I know kids who were buying a secondary burner typhoons

760
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Speaker 5: just to go online at the local seven to eleven.

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Speaker 5: So I think it is a tougher thing because you're

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Speaker 5: not looking at one place to monitor your kids. You're

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Speaker 5: looking at wherever they are, on the school box, wherever,

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Speaker 5: and that's very difficult.

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Speaker 4: Journeys are passed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're let's take it from your angle. You're

767
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Speaker 2: using the it's addictive that parents can't be everywhere twenty

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Speaker 2: four to seven.

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Speaker 1: I get that.

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Speaker 2: This sounds to me like maybe in your mind, it's

771
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: really no different than cigarettes and the big cigarette companies

772
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Speaker 2: and how they were held lible back in the sixties

773
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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they had a slap warnings

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Speaker 2: on their box of cigarettes and they were taken to

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Speaker 2: task by the federal government and large money was sought

776
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Speaker 2: in lawsuit and transpired in lawsuits. So in your mind,

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Speaker 2: is it no different than that?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 5: I think that is apples and pears, apples and cucumbers,

780
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 5: you know, similar words family, but not necessarily. The issue

781
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 5: to me is you have to I think, first just

782
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 5: have people have a better understanding of what this is.

783
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 5: Facebook and all social media is selling your eyeballs. That's

784
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 5: the goal, get your eyeballs to look at the stuff,

785
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 5: and the mechanisms is to have an addictive quality.

786
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Speaker 4: These algorithms do.

787
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 5: Reward you posting something that is going to get you

788
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 5: more likes. Here, it's an incentivization. They want the more

789
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 5: likes because that's where the revenue is. And I think

790
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 5: people sometimes don't even realize the basics. When you're on

791
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 5: social media, you're basically renting, giving out your eyeballs for

792
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 5: these ads, and that is where it behooves them or

793
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 5: incentivizes them to get your look at more ads. What

794
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 5: is that that's not making it more addictive?

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Speaker 2: No, I and again to know that going in, I

796
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: don't think anybody stop. Anybody who has used TikTok stops

797
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: and things. Wait a minute, Jijing Ping is getting all

798
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: of my information over there in Beijing, and he knows

799
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: everything about me. I don't think anybody stops and thinks

800
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: about that stuff. They just want to go on and

801
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: show you how great their cat can dance, or whatever

802
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: it may be, whatever nonsense that happens to be. You know,

803
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: all the nonsense that China won't allow on Twitter, on

804
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: TikTok in their country, that they're happy to let us

805
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Speaker 2: do here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody stops and thinks about something like that,

808
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: But there has to be at some point. This apparently,

809
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Speaker 2: from what I can tell, started with this girl at

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Speaker 2: the age of six. Now, Dominic, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you've got kid. I've had kids that have been six

812
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Speaker 2: years old. Yeah, and they weren't My kids weren't raised

813
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: in an era of social media. It hadn't existed yet.

814
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: But I dan knew what they were doing. Sure knew

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Speaker 2: what they were doing at the age of six. And

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00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: it seems to me either maybe they just turn this

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Speaker 2: kid loose at six, at six years old and said,

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Speaker 2: all right, sweetheart, how about it, you know, do whatever

819
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: you need to do because mommy and daddy are over

820
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: here doing this.

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Speaker 5: Now. You know, I feel the dangerous argument, and the

822
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 5: reason I feel it's dangerous is we don't you nor

823
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 5: I know that experience in that household, you know. And

824
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Speaker 5: a good friend of mine once said, there is no

825
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 5: perfect family. But the challenge is your question essentially is

826
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Speaker 5: is shouldn't parents be aware of what their kid is doing?

827
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Speaker 5: But wait, with social media, there's one extra comma twenty

828
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Speaker 5: four or seven that becomes a challenge. That becomes a

829
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Speaker 5: challenge because you do not. You and I. If you're

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Speaker 5: a kid in the house right now and you send

831
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Speaker 5: Johnny to the seven to eleven or Johnny go to

832
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Speaker 5: school and you get handed an iPad, are you strip

833
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Speaker 5: searching the kid when he comes home?

834
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Speaker 1: You know?

835
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Speaker 5: Are you saying to the kid? Of course not? And

836
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Speaker 5: you know, think about how often kids I got nephews

837
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 5: and nieces now two four years old. They can swipe

838
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Speaker 5: on the bad better than you know any one of

839
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Speaker 5: a different generation. Sure, so there's an inherent understanding. I

840
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Speaker 5: have seen two to four year olds and five year

841
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 5: olds and know how to jump on Wi Fi. But

842
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Speaker 5: that you have to think is the concern you're not

843
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 5: stopping little Johnny after school. That used to be the

844
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Speaker 5: line or mind line. Remember where was always do you

845
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Speaker 5: know where your kids are? It's ten pm, finite time,

846
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 5: finite location. The challenge with anything online you're educating kids,

847
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 5: but to put the onus on the parent to that

848
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Speaker 5: degree when the the foul is someone else, something else,

849
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Speaker 5: we don't know, little kid gets them. You could take

850
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Speaker 5: away the phones, You could take away it is the

851
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Speaker 5: big way of that. I have seen his getting phones

852
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 5: from other means or things to sign up, you know, iPads,

853
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Speaker 5: et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Six seams off the early though domin it's six seams

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Speaker 2: off the early. Even if they have the dexterity to

856
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: go through all of that stuff that they can they

857
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Speaker 2: can swipe and they can download six seams off the early.

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Speaker 5: It is exceptionally early. But the question, maybe differently, is

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Speaker 5: have I seen six year old get online? Have I

860
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Speaker 5: seen six year old hide things?

861
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: Yes?

862
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 5: And yes. So I'm not defending as much as I understand.

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Speaker 4: It could exist.

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Speaker 5: I've seen it. It is. See the challenge this one.

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Speaker 5: You're going online, if you think about it, you're showing an.

866
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Speaker 1: ID to sign up the Facebook.

867
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Speaker 5: You're not showing your driver's license. Anyone could do it.

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Speaker 5: Anyone on this thing can make up a fake ID. Hell,

869
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Speaker 5: they can go to chat ebt make a new fake face.

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Speaker 5: It is still the wild West. And I'm not actually

871
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 5: advocating for any position for the record, I'm simply saying

872
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Speaker 5: one needs to understand those mechanisms. I'm actually not just concerned,

873
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Speaker 5: by the way, for the six year old. I'm concerned

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Speaker 5: for I mean, I had someone recently shared with me

875
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Speaker 5: a video of Charlie Kirk preaching about being martyred knowing

876
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Speaker 5: the idea that what he was sharing with thousands was

877
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 5: total AI. So there's a high degree of availability of

878
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 5: tools to the entire public, and to me, I would

879
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 5: more so use the example used example of a cigarette.

880
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 5: It's we are all publishers. When fifty years ago not

881
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 5: everyone could be a publisher.

882
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: Now the whole world's a.

883
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 5: Publisher, and we were all creators were only five years ago,

884
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 5: you and I couldn't create an image E and now

885
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 5: you can literally just touch I front of you've tried it.

886
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 5: You could do it on Alexa on the TV at

887
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 5: this point by holding a button. The ease of creation

888
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 5: is exceptionally high, but the danger that comes with it

889
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 5: is sometimes not acknowledged. And I'm simply an advocate of

890
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 5: that understanding of all these mechanisms, as opposed to simply.

891
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: Saying, hey, we're producing it.

892
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 5: What happens happens, because that's also dangerous for more than

893
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 5: six year old, for ninety six year olds and everyone

894
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 5: in between.

895
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 2: Case in LA is the first of more than fifteen

896
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: hundred similar lawsuits nationwide to go before a jury seeking

897
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: to set a precedent for tech companies. Instagram before this

898
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: child Kayley, before she claims to have been addicted. Instagram

899
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: in the wake of that has now limited that anyone

900
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Speaker 2: under the age of thirteen unable to create accounts. So

901
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 2: they've done that in the wake of it. But let's

902
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: let's let's pretend that you've got a six year old

903
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: running around your house. Let's pretend Dominic, that that six

904
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: year old has the dexterity that you outline. What are

905
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: you telling that six year old so he or she

906
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: doesn't get hooked on this stuff? Knowing full well that

907
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: you that you just said this, knowing full well that

908
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: it isn't going to be before long that that six

909
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: year old can get a burner, phone, a burner, eyepair, whatever.

910
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: It may be, and do things behind dad's back. What

911
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: are you telling that six year old?

912
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 5: I think actually it's now to bring its just match

913
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 5: to the point it's not only educating six year old,

914
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 5: it's educating yourself. I mean, I, for example, look constantly

915
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 5: at my Wi Fi to see what devices are connecting.

916
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 4: Is there a new device?

917
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 5: I would advocate spot checking devices. I would advocate showing

918
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 5: them look at this crazy thing. You know, this is education.

919
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 5: The idea overall I'm advocating is social media and online literacy.

920
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 5: The sixteen year old, sixteen year old and the sixty.

921
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: Year old, both of those need.

922
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 5: An education and everything in between. Unfortunately, we're seeing too

923
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 5: many online scams. You've known this for fourth line decades,

924
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 5: and I think it will get much much worse before

925
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 5: it gets better. With the advent of AI, for example,

926
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 5: it is way too easy to make these scams real.

927
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Speaker 1: So you're not so okay I'm hearing here.

928
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: You're not advocate, You're not You're not absolving the parent

929
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: in this situation of any kind of responsibility. I want

930
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: to make sure that I'm hearing you correctly, am I.

931
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 5: I'm not able to comment on absorbing them that because

932
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 5: you and I haven't spoken to the parent. But I

933
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 5: can't speak in gen could a parent be asolved or

934
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Speaker 5: not of a six year old or not without knowing

935
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Speaker 5: the circumstance. Can't speak to that, you know, I actually

936
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Speaker 5: just thought I know one kid who uses online device

937
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 5: for educational purposes of that age, and I remember thinking,

938
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 5: no one looked at this device, thought how easy it

939
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Speaker 5: is to accidentally fall into something. Sure, I simply am

940
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 5: saying all of these questions are out there. I don't

941
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Speaker 5: have nor do you. We neither of us, as far

942
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Speaker 5: as the house, spoke to this parent, so can't really

943
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 5: speak to that situation. But I do think we do

944
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 5: not have enough education and understanding to really make rules

945
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 5: to deal with these things, and that's a concern. I

946
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 5: do think also in terms of overall system, one needs

947
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 5: to say, see that we have a system that rewards addictiveness,

948
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Speaker 5: rewards a lack of gaps. It should maybe shouldn't. Shouldn't

949
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Speaker 5: have been a reaction to block thirteen year old as

950
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Speaker 5: opposed to a precaution ahead of time.

951
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Speaker 2: Well, whatever, whatever the motivation was for Zuckerberg, and I'm

952
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: sure it's I'm sure it's monetary there it is. I mean,

953
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Speaker 2: the thirteen year old, the thirteen age thirteen numbers out there,

954
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure it's out there for a reason. Maybe

955
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: there's research to it or whatnot. He doesn't seem to

956
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: do things capriciously, so I'm sure that that was somebody

957
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Speaker 2: legally probably told him that thirteen was a good idea.

958
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: So okay, let's bring it back to him. Whether or

959
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: not he's held liable for any of this, I guess

960
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: the jury will decide that what do you do if

961
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: you're this guy who is probably the most well known

962
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 2: purveyor of social media platforms in the history of the world.

963
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: I mean, what does he do on the wake of this?

964
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: Does he drop that thirteen down to eight?

965
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: What do you do if you're him?

966
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 5: I mean, I think thirteen is certainly a given for

967
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 5: social media. I don't think you should be having social

968
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 5: mediaodgs are thirteen. I think education it's if you're having

969
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 5: people use the platform. We need to have better tools.

970
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 5: And we're finding these tools reactionary. If you remember on

971
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 5: Twitter they start to have community.

972
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 2: No responsive yeah, community not yeah.

973
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 5: All these things are reacting. And I do think we

974
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 5: can do a better job of pro active because we're

975
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 5: going to see comunion notes and all these other responses change,

976
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 5: and people are going to start seeing more and more

977
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 5: challenges because of AI, especially.

978
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Speaker 2: All right, dominic, Where do people find you? I mean

979
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: I can tell them, but one is where can people

980
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: find you?

981
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 4: And when they find you?

982
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: What happens?

983
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 5: You have go to miser indians dot com on LinkedIn

984
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 5: you can always follow.

985
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 4: I always love people.

986
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 5: Following, connecting and bringing up these conversations. And that's using

987
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 5: my goal. Let's get more of these conversations and understanding.

988
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: All right, all right, my friends, stay well. You're right,

989
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: it has been too long. We need to we need

990
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: to do this more often, unless you don't want.

991
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 4: To do more behind it.

992
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: I love these conversations, unless you don't want to, and

993
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 2: then you know it's called her idea.

994
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: You don't have to answer the phone. But no, I'd

995
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: love to let you.

996
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: All right, Dominic, you stay well, all right, thanks a lot, Dominic,

997
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: Dominic miser Indido. He knows more about social media than anybody,

998
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, than anybody on the planet. And I

999
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: was glad to hear him say he's not absolving the

1000
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: parents of anything six years old. I mean, my god,

1001
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: We'll see if this woman is if she prevails in

1002
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: her lawsuits. She's gonna win a lot of money if

1003
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: she does. And as I said, there are where was

1004
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 2: that number? Fifteen hundred more lawsuits pending in this country

1005
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: over the same thing, all with jury trials on their

1006
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: horizon on LA one twenty six on this Thursday, the

1007
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: average American in for the Great American News Radio seven

1008
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Speaker 2: hundred w l W.

1009
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 6: Where or when.

1010
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 5: Does the president believe he's been falsely called racist?

1011
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: You're kidding, right, don Lovin.

1012
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 6: The President of the United States is racist.

1013
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: He is a tried and true, like died in the

1014
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 3: wool racist.

1015
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: I know what mister Trump is. He is a racist.

1016
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 9: What Trump has always been was a rich, malevolent, really

1017
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 9: racist man.

1018
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: We now have a president of the United States who

1019
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: is a racist.

1020
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 6: Do you believe President Trump is a racist?

1021
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1022
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 6: Donald Trumps the racist.

1023
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 4: He is a racist.

1024
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: President is a racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist racist.

1025
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 6: I'm the least racist person you've ever met.

1026
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 5: Hello, quiet, and I'm I'm broadcasting.

1027
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: Say, all you got to do is ask for an example. Yeah,

1028
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: that's all I gotta do. We give, well, give me

1029
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: one example of what give me one. I don't I

1030
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: don't need ten. I don't need give me.

1031
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 10: One USA and example of ice hockey today, ken Brew,

1032
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 10: they're going everybody's going for the US.

1033
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 6: Baby.

1034
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: Uh, what is it? It's one o'clock. They've already started,

1035
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: right the woman.

1036
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 10: Yeah, they're zero zero late first period, late first period,

1037
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 10: and this is the gold medal game, right correct, See

1038
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 10: I'm keeping up with this Olympic stuff. The UH Switzerland

1039
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 10: won the bronze in overtime two to one.

1040
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: Good for them. Nobody cares, Okay, let's see what else

1041
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: TV USA Curling. We had Jason Stoles, right, yep, he

1042
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: got a silver this morning. Yeah, he was fourteen, right,

1043
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: one of that that that third gold and had to

1044
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: settle for the silver. Now he's done. Is he done?

1045
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: I would think so because I thought maybe there was

1046
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 2: one more. I don't know, but it sounds like he's done.

1047
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 2: But our boys, uh, let's see both.

1048
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 10: Lawrenceburg's Nick gepper I was supposed to be in the

1049
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 10: halfpipe competition, while men's aerials with Cincinnati's Connor Current were

1050
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 10: set for today, but both events postponed by heavy snow.

1051
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: Too much Wait a minute, hang on, don't they like

1052
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: don't they like do that on snow?

1053
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's the Winter Olympics. But I guess I got

1054
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 10: too much and there's too much snow.

1055
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1056
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 10: And I was watching some of the ski jumping this morning.

1057
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 10: Did the guy went off the ramp? You could hardly

1058
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 10: see him? And I think one of them ended up

1059
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 10: in Batavia. So there's too much snow. Yeah, and that's

1060
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 10: why they can't hold a snow event. The half pipe

1061
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 10: and the men's aerials where you go up in the air,

1062
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 10: twirl around seven hundred times and come back down.

1063
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: Now, what is yet? What exactly is a pipe?

1064
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 5: Uh?

1065
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 6: You know what Nick Gepper was in.

1066
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 10: I think the aerials before, but I'm not too up

1067
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 10: on the half pipe and the pipe.

1068
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: And Allepper is not a pipe. He's not in a

1069
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: pipe competent or he's not half pipes. Yeah he switched.

1070
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: Oh he switched.

1071
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1072
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: Oh, nobody told me about this. Why was I not informed?

1073
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: Did you get a memo on this that he switched?

1074
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 6: I read it about a couple of months ago. Oh

1075
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 6: see that.

1076
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're at the end of the chain, the

1077
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: end of the tree, you don't get the memo.

1078
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 10: The US men's hockey team will play Slovakia tomorrow at

1079
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 10: three in the semi finals. That other matchup Canada the Finland.

1080
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: And then the winners made for the gold on Sunday

1081
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: morning at eight o'clock. You see any condoms They ran

1082
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: out of condoms. Egg at the Olympic coach like on

1083
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: day two.

1084
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 10: More action on on the ice and snow than and

1085
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 10: you know, well, it's a wondering action on and off

1086
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 10: the ice there, Ken Brew.

1087
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: It's a wonder any of these Olympians can walk. I

1088
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: know they go through I don't know how many days

1089
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: there was. There was thousands of these condoms and they're

1090
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: gone after day two. Some action going on, Well there

1091
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: could be. There could be so much action going on.

1092
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why we don't have more gold medals.

1093
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 10: Ken Brew, the Stoos reporters of proud service of your

1094
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 10: local Temestar heating in air conditioning dealers. Temestar quality you

1095
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 10: could feel in Cincinnati, Colway Omigair it won eight eight

1096
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 10: eight nine nine six h v A C.

1097
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: You have a run out of condoms.

1098
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 10: Also, ken Brew, we want to say thank you to

1099
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 10: Ron's Roost. It's clucking good sixty five years on the

1100
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 10: good old West Side, thirty eight to fifty three Race

1101
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 10: Road at five one three two two two two two

1102
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 10: two two. Excuse me, Pam brought down our lunch today.

1103
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 10: It was delicious with the chicken, mashed potatoes, gravy and ribs.

1104
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: And hamburgers and everything that was mere. That was me.

1105
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 10: Also, ken Brew, iob Jabbari two second half goals last night.

1106
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 10: FC Cincinnati beat the O and MFC four nil. I

1107
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 10: thought you had a brilliant line on X this morning,

1108
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 10: that there was more people at Jeff Ruby's restaurant last

1109
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 10: night than at that hockey game, all right, that soccer game,

1110
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 10: there was nobody.

1111
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: There was nobody. I'm watching this thing. It wasn't the.

1112
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 10: Dominican, right, Yeah, and apparently I guess this o and

1113
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 10: MFC finished second in the Caribbean League. Oh, by the way, USA,

1114
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 10: it's after the first period now, no score in the

1115
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 10: gold medal.

1116
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: Game, sake, I'm watching this game last night. Yeah, and uh,

1117
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: there were so many empty seats. I'm thinking to myself

1118
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: that couldn't have possibly paid for the jet fuel to

1119
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: get FC Cincinnati from Cincinnati to the Dominican and back again.

1120
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I mean, I guess apparently, like I said,

1121
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 10: at m FC was was a second in that Caribbean league.

1122
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 10: That's why they got in this champions Cup tournament. And

1123
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 10: I Roman Celatano got a clean sheet, didn't face a shot.

1124
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: On goal all night. No, there was one guy.

1125
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: He broke clean and he kicked the ball into a

1126
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: tree that was behind the behind the net. So it

1127
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: was like a eucalyptus tree or something behind the net,

1128
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: and the guy kicked it into the tree. And I'm looking,

1129
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: but I'm looking at this thing, and I'm thinking, who

1130
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 2: in God's name thought it would be a good idea

1131
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: to play this thing. And I and and that the

1132
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 2: play by play I was watching was in Spanish. Oh great,

1133
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: so I've got I'm fairly fluent in Spanish. And even

1134
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: those guys were saying like they were making fun of it,

1135
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 2: was like nobody there. It looked like it literally looked

1136
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 2: like it was being conducted in a park somewhere like uh.

1137
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 2: And and so the the Major League Soccer thought this

1138
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 2: was a good idea. I'm like, what, what are you nuts?

1139
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 10: Apparently, I guess they're going to get a home match

1140
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 10: at TQL Stadium February twenty fifth against somebody.

1141
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: We can't wait for that.

1142
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 10: And then mL the MLS portion of the Orange and

1143
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 10: Blue season opens this Saturday afternoon against Atlanta United.

1144
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: You know, when they go to that new schedule, they're

1145
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: playing those games in wintertime. I'm not sure that you

1146
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: know that might be the size of the crowd they're

1147
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: going to have for these games in winter time. As

1148
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 2: someone pointed out to me today, this ain't London. Of course,

1149
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: that was about the you know, royal true scandal going on,

1150
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 2: But this ain't London. You know where people who go

1151
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 2: to those matches, whether it's forty below zero, or if

1152
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: it's one hundred and ten degrees. Correct, those people are

1153
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 2: nuts over there on a lot of things, but also

1154
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: about about about soccer, Yeah, amen, football football, football, I

1155
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: don't call it soccer.

1156
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 10: Cincinnati Bearcats go up against number eight Kansas Saturday. More

1157
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 10: tonight on the West Miller Show in studio right here

1158
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 10: where we are at at eight o five here on

1159
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 10: seven hundred WLW.

1160
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: Now, seg.

1161
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: I went by the Montgomery in yeah, a couple of

1162
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: days ago, and you're right, there's a sign that they're

1163
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 2: remodeling inside there.

1164
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 6: Apparently.

1165
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 10: I guess they had some kind of water main break

1166
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 10: or something there too, and well that kind of set them.

1167
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: Back, cause one to remodel anything.

1168
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1169
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 10: Red's update, Chase Burns is going to start Saturday and

1170
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 10: the Reds Cactus League opener up against those Guardians.

1171
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: And how about do you think the Guardians are going

1172
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: to be tipping pitches? I don't think so.

1173
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 10: I think those two guys, unless they got Class A

1174
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 10: and what's his name back, who knows, they might watch

1175
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 10: out for if they got a lot of garbage cans

1176
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 10: in that dugout can brew, watch out.

1177
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: Could be you know, They've got a lot of garbage

1178
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 2: cans and Houston astro hats on there.

1179
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: And let's see, that's a big question.

1180
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: It's spring training for the for the Cleveland media or

1181
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,479
Speaker 2: for the national media. You think they're they're flocking down there,

1182
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: and that might be a question they may ask.

1183
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 6: I would say so.

1184
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 2: I would say it's probably the most most dominant topic

1185
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 2: that's going on in Goodyear.

1186
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 10: Speaking of in the National Football League, Ken Brew, the

1187
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 10: Chicago Bears announce their intention to build a dome stadium

1188
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 10: and north Northwest Indiana the Hammett, Indiana area. I guess

1189
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 10: they're going to give Indiana or something like two billion dollars.

1190
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: This is so this they'll be known as the Indiana Bears.

1191
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1192
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 10: I mean, it's I guess it's you know, it's it's

1193
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 10: right outside of Chicago.

1194
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

1195
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 10: But the Bears are going to play in Northwest Indiana,

1196
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 10: and Indiana's going nuts, and Illinois's going huh.

1197
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 2: I'm telling the Indiana's right up there with Los Angeles

1198
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 2: and the Meadowlands in New Jersey.

1199
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: To football teams, how.

1200
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 6: About this, can Brew.

1201
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 10: The San Francisco forty nine ers going to travel over

1202
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 10: thirty eight thousand miles during the twenty twenty sixth season,

1203
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 10: the most miles of any NFL team has traveled during

1204
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 10: a single season ever. They're going to open the season

1205
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 10: down Under in Australia, They're going to play a game

1206
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 10: in Mexico City, and I think they're going I think

1207
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 10: that's the only two. But they're going all over the place.

1208
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 10: I hope they got frequent fire miles.

1209
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what the NFL is if I

1210
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 2: guarantee you the NFL within the next twenty years will

1211
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 2: play a super Bowl outside of this country and it

1212
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: will be on pay per view.

1213
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: I guarantee it. You're probably that's the way it's going. Yes,

1214
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: I guarantee you.

1215
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: Who is that guy that used I guarantee it the

1216
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: suit guy that he used to make suits. I guarantee it.

1217
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 2: I guarantee it's gonna happen. You can come find me

1218
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 2: wherever I am, come to my grave in twenty years.

1219
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 2: That's right, And say you were right? Where do you

1220
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: think it's Where do you think it might be London?

1221
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: Super You know, honestly? Where I think it might be

1222
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 2: Mexico City. You know what I was just about ready

1223
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 2: to say something like that. I think it'd be Mexico City.

1224
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 2: Think so, Sam Sega, have you ever have you ever

1225
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: heard this song? I'll just tell me if they have.

1226
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 6: We've got music city. Let's go oh yeah, oh yeah.

1227
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: You know who this is?

1228
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, this is the great Bill Smokey Robinson.

1229
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: Hit it. Bill, Am I right about that? Yes, here's

1230
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: the clown. So I'm playing this because Smokey is eighty

1231
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: six years old today, dud look at day over thirty nine.

1232
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 2: Bill Smokey Robinson is celebrating his eighty sixth birthday to day.

1233
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 6: How about that?

1234
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: Now a little you want a little uh one of

1235
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: little story behind the song? Seig go right ahead, all right.

1236
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder had the instrumental part of this song written

1237
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: like for three years. He couldn't come up with lyrics.

1238
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 2: So he goes to the Motown Christmas party in nineteen

1239
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: sixty six. Christmas nineteen sixty six, and he walks up

1240
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 2: to Bill Robinson. Smokey, who's there? He says, Smokey, I

1241
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 2: got this, man, I can't I can't come up with theirs.

1242
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 2: And Smokey says, let me let me listen to this,

1243
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 2: and he heard that little Oregon Calliope sound and turned

1244
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: it into kind of a circus like thing, Tears of

1245
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: a Clown, and it went to number one, number one,

1246
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 2: seg how about that? And I think at least fifteen

1247
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 2: different countries.

1248
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 6: Wow, I'm still getting over.

1249
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 10: I still remember that story you told about Frank Sinatra.

1250
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,919
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I mean that just that. I keep thinking

1251
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 10: about that very so often. It's unbelievable.

1252
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: Glenn Campbell staring at the guy.

1253
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1254
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 10: And then and then it's like two minutes or two

1255
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 10: minutes to go. He sings a song and says see you.

1256
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: Later, see and he either forgot the words or he

1257
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: just dooby dooby do what. He's walking out, Yeah, he's walking.

1258
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 1: He had a whole he had.

1259
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 2: A whole posse with him, like more women than men,

1260
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: and they were going to dinner. It was like a

1261
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 2: quarter nine when he got there. They waited two hours

1262
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 2: and forty five minutes for him. He did it in

1263
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 2: one He did one take, yelled at Glenn Campbell for

1264
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 2: staring at him in the studio, did a second take,

1265
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 2: and walk He says that's it, I'm done, and he

1266
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:28,959
Speaker 2: walks out the door.

1267
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.

1268
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 6: Some of those music stories.

1269
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 10: Eighty six years old today, Happy birthday, Yes, Smoky.

1270
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 2: I hope it's a good one for Smokey amen seg

1271
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 2: What else is going on in the world of sports?

1272
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: That's all I got? Ken Brew.

1273
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 10: Nothing with the Bengal Olympics. Ken Brew signed Kendrick Pryor yesterday. Oh,

1274
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 10: that'll change the fate of the free world.

1275
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: Nothing going on with nothing going on with the work

1276
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: stoppages in baseball or anything.

1277
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 10: I mean, they got a they got a new head

1278
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 10: of the Players Union.

1279
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait for Thanksgiving Tony Clark's house.

1280
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 10: Come on over, everybody. How about Christmas and let's open

1281
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 10: up the gifts. Oh, that's gonna be a fine gathering.

1282
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: Now. There's certain things in life you shouldn't do.

1283
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 2: There's a certain things, but there are certain things in

1284
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: life you shouldn't even think about doing.

1285
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 10: This was his that his sister's sister, his wife's sister,

1286
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 10: wife's sister.

1287
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, I mean you know, I mean like

1288
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: you don't like like, I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.

1289
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 2: You know the old saying, I'll clean it up a

1290
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah, don't defecate where you eat. Yeah, that's

1291
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 2: an old line, right, the defecate would be you would

1292
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 2: use a more just street worthy a word. Besides that,

1293
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,919
Speaker 2: I mean, what again, what was that guy thinking? I mean,

1294
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 2: when did he he was good?

1295
01:07:54,920 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 10: He was a smart baseball player, must have gone goofy obviously,

1296
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 10: I don't know.

1297
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm reading some comments from some

1298
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 2: of these baseball players in the wake of that and

1299
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 2: how they they think they've got the best sport from

1300
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 2: a dollar standpoint, and there's parody among teams in this,

1301
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, maybe it's a good thing you

1302
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 2: don't have that union leadership anymore, because anybody who thinks

1303
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 2: there's parody among baseball teams right now is going in

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01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 2: an opposite direction from reality.

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Speaker 1: That's for sure.

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Speaker 10: I can't wait till they're sitting across the tablewout how

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Speaker 10: about that salary cap that's going to go over like

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Speaker 10: a lead balloon. And they had to bring that up

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Speaker 10: at Tony Clark's house in Thanksgiving and then continue negotiations

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Speaker 10: at Christmas.

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Speaker 2: They should send his sister in lawe to negotiate. I

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Speaker 2: do sey get us out of the Stege report. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to talk about why there are more divorces are

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01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 2: more likely you're going to get a divorce if you

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Speaker 2: live in Kentucky than if you live in Ohio.

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Speaker 10: Ken brewin Otter of the United States scoreless after a

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Speaker 10: period against Canada for the gold medal. We leave you

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Speaker 10: with the immortal words of the Stooge d Report.

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Speaker 1: Say, I wish you the bank account of Republicans and

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01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 1: the sex life of a Democrat. Chance you know what

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Speaker 1: those words have held up over the test of time,

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Speaker 1: haven't they Yes they have, Yes they have sag. I'll

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Speaker 1: see it an hour they can soon after before on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLWD.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, seven hundred w WELW. It is

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Speaker 2: the average American and for the great American on this

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Speaker 2: Thursday right here, not only on this great medium of

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Speaker 2: terrestrial radio, but also on the iHeartRadio app. We are nationwide,

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01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 2: we are all nationwide. We're all over the world with

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. So even when you're traveling away from

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Speaker 2: the greater Cincinnati area, you can follow us on the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: I found this staggering Oklahoma, a state that I lived

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Speaker 2: in for five years. Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweeping

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Speaker 2: down the plane has the highest divorce rate in the

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Speaker 2: country nine point seven to one divorces per one thousand people.

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Speaker 2: Alabama is next, but also following and not that far

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Speaker 2: behind is Kentucky. States like Mississippi, Tennessee, Delaware, West Virginia.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's staggering. It seems like an overwhelming

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Speaker 2: number of southern tiered states have this high divorce record. Nationally,

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Speaker 2: about one third of every married American has divorced, even

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01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:48,480
Speaker 2: though divorce nationwide is down since nineteen eighty. So what's

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Speaker 2: going on in that particular of the country And why

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Speaker 2: do we seem, at least in Ohio to be so stable.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Kentucky's only like two minutes away, right over

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Speaker 2: the bridge. Standing by is someone who might have an

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Speaker 2: answer to all of that. We've had Evan Shine on

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Speaker 2: the program before. He is a divorce attorney of great note.

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Speaker 2: Note he is with Berkman, Butcker Newman and Shine. I

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Speaker 2: think the last time we had Evan on the show,

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Speaker 2: he was not listed. He may have did he just

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Speaker 2: make partner. We have to find out these things. At

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Speaker 2: any event, Let's welcome Evan into the program. Evan, how

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Speaker 2: are you on this glorious Thursday.

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Speaker 7: I'm doing fantastic. It's great to be with you in

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Speaker 7: your audience.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think the last time we had you

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Speaker 2: on the show. Were you part of the Were you

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Speaker 2: a partner in that practice?

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Speaker 5: No? One.

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Speaker 7: There's been a lot of change it not only in

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Speaker 7: the divorce rateing you touch on that, but also in

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Speaker 7: the firm name. It's been a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Well, congratulations to you on that. Now, what does that

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Speaker 2: mean besides you had to put up some money to get.

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Speaker 7: In exactly right, it's some money, and it's the responsibility

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Speaker 7: and it's you know, the headaches morning to night. But overall,

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Speaker 7: now I appreciate that, and it's it's been great.

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Speaker 2: So there's good money in divorce and divorce law, isn't there?

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Speaker 2: I mean I know a little bit about it that

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Speaker 2: there's money in that.

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Speaker 1: Isn't there?

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Speaker 7: Well, look, it's a recession proof business, and good times,

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Speaker 7: bad times, good economy, bad economy. People are always finding.

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Speaker 1: Something to target about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right up there with funeral directors. You're a

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01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: recession proof business. Okay, what is it about? Like Kentucky

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01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: is literally right across the river from where I'm sitting

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Speaker 2: here in Ohio. Why does Kentucky have such a high

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Speaker 2: divorce rate in your opinion.

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Speaker 7: That's a great question. There's statistics. I'm a big numbers guy,

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Speaker 7: a big statistics guy. This is just one of those

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Speaker 7: statistics that I wouldn't really put too much stock into.

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Speaker 7: And so before anyone crosses off Kentucky, Oklahoma, Ohio off

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Speaker 7: their you know, list on places to move and to resign,

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Speaker 7: take a step back. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 7: people everywhere have similar relationship challenges. To me, it doesn't

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Speaker 7: matter where you live, it's about how you live. So

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Speaker 7: many people are dealing with social, economical, cultural pressures that

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Speaker 7: are not unique to a particular state like Kentucky. Everyone

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Speaker 7: across America is feeling it. And you touch upon it

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Speaker 7: the divorce rate. While it's down nationally, it's still something

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Speaker 7: that so many people are going through, and to me,

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Speaker 7: it's not unique to a particular geographic location.

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Speaker 2: Well, it could also have to do with population too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Oklahoma is a relatively small state. Kentucky population wise,

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Speaker 2: is a relatively small state, and I suppose when you

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Speaker 2: get into percentages, small versus large is equated into that.

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Speaker 2: But still, in all you're not talking about a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, which means you're not talking about a lot

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Speaker 2: of marriages in those particular states. Does that have anything

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Speaker 2: to do with it?

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Speaker 7: I think you're spot on. And the reporting methods, demographics,

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Speaker 7: external factors, I think also, yeah, you see that plays

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Speaker 7: a role. But I think, like any statistic, like any survey,

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Speaker 7: you want to know who was interviewed, how many people population,

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Speaker 7: the comparisons, it's not just the number and the statistic.

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Speaker 7: And look when I read this, it's on popping right,

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Speaker 7: and I'm sure so many people crossed off all these

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Speaker 7: places off there, you know, list of places to move.

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Speaker 7: But I would say splow down a bit, not so

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Speaker 7: fast with any statistic. There's more to it than the

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Speaker 7: headline you're going to read.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not trying to get too deep into pop

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Speaker 2: culture here, but I'll live five years in Oklahoma. There's

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Speaker 2: not a lot going on out there. It's a very

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Speaker 2: nice state, but it's oil and cattle. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: that's basically it in Oklahoma. So there may not be

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Speaker 2: a lot of things to do out there except maybe

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Speaker 2: get involved with somebody else. I don't know, does that

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Speaker 2: factor in. I mean, you know, I'm looking at at

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Speaker 2: places like Mississippi, New Hampshire. I mean, you know, you

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Speaker 2: can ski in New Hampshire. Mississippi has got some casinos

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Speaker 2: and it's down by the water. West Virginia is landlocked again,

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Speaker 2: not a very populated state. I I don't know does

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Speaker 2: does does pop culture does what you can the ability

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Speaker 2: to do something?

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Speaker 1: Does that have anything to.

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Speaker 7: Do with it?

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Speaker 1: In your opinion?

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Speaker 7: I think it does. I think Look, the more access

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01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 7: the things you have, I think sure. I think it

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Speaker 7: piques in individuals interest, right, you know, to explore, to

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Speaker 7: you know, find you know, new things, to try new things.

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Speaker 7: I think that's not only true in relationships and marriages,

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Speaker 7: but in life in general. And at the end of

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Speaker 7: the day, I think you could talk to people from Kentucky,

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Speaker 7: from Oklahoma, and you can talk to people from all

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Speaker 7: around the country. There is opportunity no matter where you look.

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Speaker 7: And at the end of the day, for the same

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Speaker 7: couple who you know is totally content and happily married

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01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 7: and is going to stay married for fifty years because

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Speaker 7: there's not much to do, You're going to find another

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01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 7: couple who is totally bored for that exact you know,

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01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 7: thing set of circumstances, and they're going to look for

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Speaker 7: something else. One of the benefits of being a divorce attorney.

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Speaker 7: I get an inside and unique look into everybody's life.

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Speaker 7: And you know, I'm always careful to generalize right when

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Speaker 7: it comes to divorce, because every family is different, every

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01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 7: situation is unique, every fat pattern is different and unique.

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Speaker 7: And so I see situations time and time again that

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Speaker 7: leave my head scratching, because again, you can think about

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01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 7: so many different scenarios and examples, and for one couple

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01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 7: it works, and for another couple it doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: Is infidelity sex?

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Speaker 2: I suppose is that the number one cause of a divorce,

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Speaker 2: that kind of infidelity?

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Speaker 7: It's a great question. So infidelity, I wouldn't say it's

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Speaker 7: a number one cause. I think it ends up being

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Speaker 7: the fallout and the result of what happens during the marriage.

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Speaker 7: For many people, it could be a lack of a communication,

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Speaker 7: it could be a lack of trust. It's usually the

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Speaker 7: result of something in the marriage that just doesn't get addressed.

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Speaker 7: And I think of infidelity. You think about a crack, right.

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Speaker 7: If you have a crack and you don't treat it

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Speaker 7: and you don't fix it, over time, that crack just

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Speaker 7: gets bigger. That crack gets wider and it expands. If

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Speaker 7: you treat it, you can fix the crack. That's sort

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Speaker 7: of how I think about marriages and relationships and infidelity.

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Speaker 7: If you don't treat the root of the problem and

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Speaker 7: really the crux of the issue in a marriage, for

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Speaker 7: many people, it leaves insibility.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is basic research from the National Institute of Health.

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Speaker 2: But financial infidelity is on the rise. And I wonder

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Speaker 2: if that has anything to do with people getting married

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01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 2: later in life and both sides bringing some sort of

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Speaker 2: wealth into the marriage, and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: somebody is extracting funds from somebody else's money. I have

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Speaker 2: a feeling that financial infidelity, although maybe not up there

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Speaker 2: with sexual infidelity, but financial infidelity is on the rise.

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 7: You're not wrong at all, And I would say, based

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01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 7: on what I'm seeing, we're getting pretty close. Financial infidelity

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 7: in the past five to ten years is becoming something

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01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 7: that in almost in nearly every consultation I deal with

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Speaker 7: the client, there is some aspect of financial infidelity, financial control,

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01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 7: one spouse being in the dark when it comes to

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Speaker 7: money or the assets, and I think you're seeing that

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01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 7: play out over and over and over and as we're

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Speaker 7: getting more used to and accustomed to those examples. And

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Speaker 7: I think you mentioned pop culture before, more people are

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01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 7: talking about it on social media and TikTok and Instagram,

1493
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 7: and it's, you know, the stigma that's used to be

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Speaker 7: attached to it. It doesn't exist nearly to the extent

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01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 7: you used to, and so people are becoming comfortable talking

1496
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Speaker 7: about it, tackling it, dealing with it head on. And

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Speaker 7: you were seeing a tremendous rise in the number of

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Speaker 7: marriages and relationships that fall part because of financial infidelity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I would guess, and I don't know. Again,

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Speaker 2: this is broad brush and it's anecdotal, but a lot

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Speaker 2: of it may fall back to communication. People fall into lust,

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01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: as you well know, Evan, before they fall into love,

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01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 2: and if love doesn't follow lust, then people say, Okay,

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01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: we want to make this commitment. We want to get married.

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01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 2: I don't want my family being judgmental. I'm sleeping with her,

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01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 2: he's sleeping with me. We want to make this thing

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01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 2: legal that they just don't think ahead of time. Well,

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01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 2: what would the ramifications be if one day we wake

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01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 2: up and look at the other and say, who the

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01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 2: hell are you? And how did you get into my house?

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01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,480
Speaker 2: I think communication has a lot to do with preventing

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01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 2: eventual infidelity, sex financers or whatever. Again, I've never been

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01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 2: involved in anything like that, but I'm just wondering if

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01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 2: that would be a legal road into what you deal with.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, the longer I do this, the more I am

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01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 7: convinced that people enter marriage without a clue as to

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01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 7: what marriage and tell right, Because at the end of

1518
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 7: the day, nobody gets married thinking they're going to get divorced.

1519
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 7: And the honeymoon phase that everyone.

1520
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 5: Loves, we all love it, it.

1521
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:12,480
Speaker 7: Doesn't last forever. So there's no playbook, there is no guide,

1522
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 7: and so at the end of the day, have those

1523
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 7: tough conversations before you get married, talk about where you

1524
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 7: want to lay expectations, do you want to have children,

1525
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 7: how many children, jobs, all those things. Have those hard

1526
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 7: conversations because the divorce rate, it's time, whether it's forty percent,

1527
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 7: fifty percent, you know, it's one of those things that

1528
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 7: you ask would you enter into something knowing that the

1529
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 7: odds are fifty percent right, it's not going to work out?

1530
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 7: I mean those are pretty high odds, and yet, time

1531
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 7: and time again, marriage is just one of those things

1532
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 7: that people sign up for over and over and over

1533
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 7: again get They don't enter into it with the understanding

1534
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 7: that it's work. It takes commitment, It.

1535
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 11: Takes having the tough conversations that may not be sexy

1536
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 11: or romantic, but they are so incredibly important, and they

1537
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 11: build communication and they build trust.

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01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 7: And having those conversations before you're married or in the

1539
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 7: early stages of marriage is the key to staying out

1540
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 7: of a divorce attorney's office.

1541
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 2: Evan Shine's our guest recognized authority on matrimonial law and

1542
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 2: litigation in the Great State of New York. He is

1543
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 2: literally the last person you want to look at when

1544
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 2: you walk into some sort of domestic abuse and you

1545
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 2: look across and at the other table, Evan Shine is

1546
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 2: sitting there. All other divorce attorneys kind of cower when

1547
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 2: you're in a courtroom.

1548
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 1: Am I right?

1549
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 2: Evan?

1550
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know I appreciate that. It's you know, look,

1551
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 7: I spend more time in the courtroom than I do

1552
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 7: my own, you know, living room, And you know it's

1553
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 7: you're seeing a rise in litigated you know, divorce matters, contested,

1554
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,440
Speaker 7: you know, divorces. You're seeing a rise of financial incidelity

1555
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 7: all sorts of things that contribute to the breakdown of

1556
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 7: people's relationships and marriages.

1557
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: Well, have you ever encountered And again, my knowledge of

1558
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 1: matrimonial law is slim and none. I'm just have you

1559
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: ever encountered someone that comes to you and says, look,

1560
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: I want to keep my marriage together, I want to

1561
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: work I want to work this thing out. And the

1562
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: other side maybe is saying no, I'm done.

1563
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that, And then you work

1564
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 2: with the other attorney to bring the couple together kind

1565
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 2: of like I don't know, kind of like marriage counselors.

1566
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: Does that ever happen?

1567
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 2: Or with a minute somebody walks into your office, it's over,

1568
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 2: it's done with.

1569
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 5: So it's a big question, you know.

1570
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 7: I often wear multiple hats, right, And couple's counselor or

1571
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 7: therapists is often one aware, right, And I tell everyone

1572
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 7: who comes in divorce is a last resort. Make sure

1573
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 7: you've thought about it right. Once you ring that bell,

1574
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,759
Speaker 7: you can't on a ring it right. Try therapy, Try counseling,

1575
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 7: go to marital counseling sessions, give it everything you have.

1576
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 7: And maybe you've done that before. You've already come into

1577
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 7: my office and if you have and someone's going through

1578
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 7: the motion and not really participating, and you can tell

1579
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 7: someone who doesn't want to be there and you know

1580
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 7: that and you have exhausted all steps and efforts, then

1581
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,560
Speaker 7: you've made that decision. But if you come in to

1582
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 7: see me and you're on the fence, I'll say, look,

1583
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 7: go home, think about it. You don't need to make

1584
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 7: a decision right now. Divorce is always going to be

1585
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 7: an option, but make sure that this is something you want,

1586
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 7: this is something that you feel comfortable, because again, once

1587
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 7: you make that step and take that leap, it's very

1588
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:28,879
Speaker 7: hard to go backwards.

1589
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 2: So, Evan Sehan, what I'm hearing for you from you

1590
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 2: is that if you're two people who are committed to

1591
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 2: each other, you love each other, that you want to

1592
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 2: get me, want to stay married, you want to raise

1593
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 2: a family, you want to put down roots. That Kentucky's

1594
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 2: not a bad place, right It doesn't necessarily mean the

1595
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 2: state has got something wrong with it. It just means

1596
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 2: there could be some people in there that have something

1597
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 2: wrong with them. So it's not the turf. It may

1598
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 2: be the people that are living on the turf. Am

1599
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 2: I hearing you right on.

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01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 7: This you're hearing me exactly exactly right, from a great

1601
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 7: football to the great basketball to the great people in

1602
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 7: the state of Kentucky. Look, if you live there, you

1603
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 7: don't need to book your ticket.

1604
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 11: And you know out of the state, it's not the state,

1605
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 11: it is the people and the issues that so many

1606
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 11: people have.

1607
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:14,719
Speaker 7: No matter where you're living there.

1608
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 2: You go all right, Evan, you're with Berkman, Botker, Newman

1609
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: and Shine. So forget about the Bodker and Newman. They're

1610
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 2: not going to help you out. Just go straight to Evan.

1611
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 2: If you ever lived in New York and all of

1612
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 2: a sudden it goes south, this is your guy right here.

1613
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, thanks for the time and the insight. Appreciate it.

1614
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 7: I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on.

1615
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 2: You bet yes, sir, Evan Shine. He has come a

1616
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 2: long way in his own partnership.

1617
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 1: But it's true.

1618
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 2: If you look at the statistics, nine point seven to

1619
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 2: one divorces per one thousand people. I'm not sure how

1620
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 2: they arrived at that. It's an odd number because normally

1621
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 2: it takes two to divorce, but neverthele what Nevertheless, in Oklahoma,

1622
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 2: that's the divorce race, followed by Alabama eight point eight

1623
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 2: oh and Nevada eight point seventy five. And then you

1624
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 2: get into the states that are immediately behind them, and

1625
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 2: that's the Mississippis, the Tennessees, the Delawares, the West Virginia's

1626
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 2: New Hampshire, and Kentucky. As of February of this year, Well,

1627
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 2: that would be right now, wouldn't it. Analysis by Tara II,

1628
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 2: which apparently as a research firm, identified Oklahoma as the

1629
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 2: clear leader in divorces nationally about one third every year,

1630
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:31,679
Speaker 2: the one third of every marriage has divorced. The NIH

1631
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 2: says lack of commitment seventy five percent, that would be

1632
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 2: sexual infidelity, conflict fifty eight percent means you know, you

1633
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 2: can't get along with each other, just wake up in.

1634
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 1: The morning and say, oh my god, what did I do?

1635
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 2: And financial problems, which again I think financial infidelity is

1636
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 2: starting to creep up the chain. People are getting married

1637
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: later in life. It's not one side is dependent on

1638
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 2: the other for financial stability. Because people are getting married

1639
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 2: later in life, they're both bringing something to the table financially,

1640
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you know, bill start

1641
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 2: coming in, checks keep getting written, and what what where.

1642
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: Is this going.

1643
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 2: Where's this money going? But anyway, us marriages are not

1644
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 2: only later in life, they're also down to historical lows.

1645
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 2: About half of adults whore currently married. That's down from

1646
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 2: two thirds back in the bad old days of the

1647
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:30,480
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties. Coming up on two twenty four, on this Thursday,

1648
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 2: it is great to have you with us as always

1649
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 2: on this fifty thousand won mother Flamethrower seven hundred w

1650
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Speaker 2: l W.

1651
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 9: When you pull on that jersey, you represent yourself and

1652
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 9: your key days and a name on up.

1653
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 10: Front is a hell of a lot more important than

1654
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 10: the one and up back.

1655
01:26:53,920 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 5: Hello, Piet and I'm broadcasting.

1656
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 10: Guy seg Who was that Kurt Russell or Carl Maldon?

1657
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Speaker 10: That was a Kurt Russell and the movie Miracle as

1658
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 10: Herb Brooks good movie. Did a great job in that one.

1659
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 10: He was the honorary pace car driver for the Daytona

1660
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 10: five hundred Sunday.

1661
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 6: Kurt Russell.

1662
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 1: Well, it was better in that movie, that's true. I

1663
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 1: liked him a lot. That was a good That was

1664
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:21,799
Speaker 1: a good portrayal.

1665
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 2: I liked the documentary that what was it Netflix did

1666
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 2: on them on the eighty hockey team?

1667
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that a lot well.

1668
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1676
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1677
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1678
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 2: I could feel it right now. It's sending a little

1679
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 2: tingling feeling up my leg.

1680
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 10: After a two periods in Milan women's hockey gold medal game,

1681
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 10: Canada scores a short handed goal in the second period.

1682
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 10: They lead with one to go, one mill over the

1683
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 10: United States.

1684
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Canadian women are pushing the American women around.

1685
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 2: I don't know what they are.

1686
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1687
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 6: I don't know what the heck's going on.

1688
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on there either, But the

1689
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 2: American women need to start standing.

1690
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:20,520
Speaker 1: Up for themselves.

1691
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 6: Let's see.

1692
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 10: Jordan Stoltz bid for a third gold medal, came up short.

1693
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 10: He got a silver medal in the men's fifteen hundred

1694
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:35,600
Speaker 10: speed skating these guys flying Lawrenceburg's Nick Gepper and halfpipe

1695
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 10: competition along with Cincinnati's Connor Curran and men's aerials are

1696
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 10: set to go today, but both events postponed by heavy snow.

1697
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 10: Do you think maybe the problem is that they need

1698
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 10: a full pipe. You guys only got a half pipe.

1699
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 10: There's only so much you can put.

1700
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 4: It in, you know what.

1701
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 6: That's probably what it is.

1702
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 10: They're probably waiting for the other half to show up

1703
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 10: from the FedEx or something.

1704
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean at DHL. Why go halfpipe when he can

1705
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: go amen both events. I went to college with a

1706
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: guy that used to say that both events are now

1707
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 1: set for tomorrow morning all our time. Yes, oh, US

1708
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,759
Speaker 1: men's hockey team. Yeah, well battle Slovakia in the semi

1709
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:20,719
Speaker 1: finals tomorrow. That gold medal matches eight am on Sunday mornings.

1710
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 10: Since he time, that means it could end in the

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01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 10: middle of a Sunday morning's fall. My goodness, gracious, you'll

1712
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 10: have Oh well, I mean radio audience will be gigantic.

1713
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 2: What are we talking about you? We're talking Canada and

1714
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 2: the United States? And man, is that what the chalk says?

1715
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 10: Yes, a team USA and Slovakian in Canada and Finland.

1716
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 10: Don't know if Canada is going to have Sidney Crosby.

1717
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 10: He got hurt yesterday, so but they say he may play.

1718
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 10: But if I'm the Pittsburgh Penguins, I'm thinking to get

1719
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 10: him right because the NHL season resumes, what Monday or Tuesday.

1720
01:29:58,479 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying.

1721
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 2: The Canadian team is coached by John Cooper, the head

1722
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 2: coach of the Tampa Bay Lightning.

1723
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 10: You know, the dang defined good hockey and you know

1724
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 10: what he was. He had no business in hockey. He

1725
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 10: was a lawyer, right. I heard that story yesterday. I thinking,

1726
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 10: but he goes from being a lawyer in court to

1727
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 10: winning Stanley Cups with Tampa Bay Unreal.

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01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 2: I don't even think he can skate. I don't know

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01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 2: you can skate. I've seen him.

1730
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,560
Speaker 10: Let's see soccer FC Cincinnati four nil over O and

1731
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 10: m FC and that first round the Conka Calf Champions

1732
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 10: Cup Series in front of a packed house in the

1733
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:38,560
Speaker 10: Dominican Republic.

1734
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 2: Do you think maybe that nobody there, that FC Cincinnati

1735
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,679
Speaker 2: stayed in an all inclusive down there in the Dominican

1736
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,640
Speaker 2: like at Point of Conna. They went down there, they

1737
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 2: came down. They stayed in the All inclusive. Yeah, a

1738
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 2: little uh, you know, a little pig ros for dinner

1739
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 2: and then you know, maybe some my ties out by

1740
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:00,600
Speaker 2: the beach and then they go and they played that

1741
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 2: game last night.

1742
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 1: I could see that happening.

1743
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 10: Let's see, Roman Celtano did not face a shot on

1744
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 10: goal the entire match.

1745
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 1: Well, that might be the other team didn't have anybody

1746
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: who could shoot the ball.

1747
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 6: That might be history.

1748
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 2: I mean that looked like literally, it looked like they

1749
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 2: were FC Cincinnati was playing a team you could find

1750
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 2: on any soccer field in cincinn a pickup game.

1751
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,879
Speaker 10: FC will open their the MLS portion of their season

1752
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 10: this Saturday at t QL Stadium four to forty five

1753
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 10: is a match time against Atlanta United.

1754
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,759
Speaker 1: And you know what, Atlanta United just signed Sergio Santos.

1755
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 10: That's right. I was just about to say that, that's right.

1756
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 10: They got a former Orange and Blue member right there.

1757
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 10: And I think on they said the February twenty fifth,

1758
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 10: they will have a second round Champions Cup series here

1759
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:53,719
Speaker 10: in Cincinnati against an unnamed opponent.

1760
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 2: So far, I thought it was the same team they

1761
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 2: played last night, as maybe it is, well, maybe a

1762
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 2: team they played last and I just said, look, you know,

1763
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 2: we'll just stay here. Yeah. Yeah, I said it was

1764
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 2: like seventy five last night. Maybe they said, look, we're good,

1765
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 2: we don't need to come up there.

1766
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 10: Cincinnati Bearcat's going to face eight three at Kansas Saturday.

1767
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 10: Good look, get more tonight on the West Miller Show

1768
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 10: and Studio right here and Ken what at eight o

1769
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 10: five on seven hundred WLW Red's update, ken Brew. They're

1770
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 10: getting ready for that Cactus League opener Saturday against the

1771
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 10: Guardians action on Fox Sports thirteen sixty.

1772
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 6: Chase Burns will be the starting pitcher.

1773
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 2: Now, Sega, if I'm not mistaken, follow in my life.

1774
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 2: I say that and then I am completely mistaken.

1775
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: Okay, but.

1776
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 2: Kansas, right, they're coached by Bill Seife. Yes, I'm out Bill,

1777
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:46,879
Speaker 2: I'm out for myself.

1778
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 1: Yes.

1779
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 2: And they've got this terrific freshman player. I've seen him

1780
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 2: a lot. His name is Darren Peterson.

1781
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 6: He's the guy that hardly plays right.

1782
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 2: He went off, he got twenty three against Oklahoma State

1783
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 2: last night and then sat down. I think he was

1784
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 2: cramping or something, but itself said, I'm not I'm not

1785
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 2: concerned about him playing on after this game. And playing

1786
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,600
Speaker 2: against Cincinnati, So they're going to face this kid. This

1787
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 2: kid is a really terrific player.

1788
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what his season has

1789
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 1: been like.

1790
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, if he's you know, going

1791
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 2: to have an afterlife. It sounds like this kid could

1792
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 2: be one of the first five or or six players

1793
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 2: picked in the NBA draft later this year.

1794
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 10: Talking to Tony Pike earlier, he said that the guys

1795
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 10: played like like for only first hals in twelve of

1796
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 10: their so many games that they played so far.

1797
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 2: Well, now, he had cramping, So I don't know if

1798
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 2: that's what that is. But I when what I've seen

1799
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 2: of Darren Peterson, he's absolutely fantastic guy.

1800
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 6: So I have to face him on Saturday and see

1801
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 6: what happens.

1802
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 2: Well, they's probably getting a good rubdown right now, you know,

1803
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 2: a little womon oil and uh, you know, maybe like

1804
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 2: the cold bath, maybe a six path. I don't know,

1805
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 2: he's getting something. I know that, I bet.

1806
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, what else, Let's see what else is going on?

1807
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 1: See Doug Gottlieb go off on the horizon.

1808
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 6: Yeah he got any what he got suspended a game

1809
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:09,959
Speaker 6: or two, didn't.

1810
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 2: He got kicked out of the league for a game. Yeah,

1811
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 2: this is the guy that was doing a radio talk

1812
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 2: show by day and coaching basketball at night. And what

1813
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 2: was it Wisconsin something or other.

1814
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 1: He's got Wisconsin Green Bay.

1815
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1816
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: I know there's there's a lot of that going on

1817
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 1: on the horizon leg.

1818
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 10: But let's see NFL news can brew. Chicago Bears are

1819
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 10: announced their intentions to build a dome stadium now in

1820
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 10: northwest Indiana, leaving I guess, well, right outside the Windy City,

1821
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 10: right in Indiana.

1822
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's what it would be considered

1823
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 1: metro Chicago, but.

1824
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,680
Speaker 6: It's not the real Chicago Bears.

1825
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 1: Right, And it's like in New York.

1826
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,040
Speaker 2: They have both of those teams playing in New Jersey,

1827
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 2: and we still call the New York Jets and the

1828
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 2: New York Giants. So my guess is they'll still call

1829
01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 2: them the Chicago Bears. But if I was Chicago, well,

1830
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 2: if I was Chicago, I do a lot with what's

1831
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 2: going on up there. But if I was the Chicago

1832
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 2: ruling authority, I would prohibit the name Chicago being placed

1833
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 2: on a team that's playing in my god, Indiana, I

1834
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't allow it.

1835
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 10: I guess probably some sore folks in the Windy City today,

1836
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 10: Ken Brucas, I guess, I guess Indiana is welcome and amen.

1837
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 10: And I saw something earlier today that Illinois state government

1838
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,639
Speaker 10: in Illinois was like what what what?

1839
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 1: What?

1840
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 6: What happened?

1841
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 10: Well, they were off guard, they got caught off guard.

1842
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,599
Speaker 2: The bears want they're going to put two billion up

1843
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 2: themselves this thing, apparently, right what they want eight hundred

1844
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 2: and fifty milli in public funding money to come from

1845
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 2: the state of Illinois. Now, Chicago, let's just say Chicago

1846
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:54,799
Speaker 2: is not a city that's in great shape right now. Okay,

1847
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 2: all right, I don't understand why. First of all, I

1848
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 2: don't understand corporate welfare for any these teams. They're all

1849
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 2: worth billions of dollars. There's no way on God's green

1850
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 2: earth that you should take taxpayer money and give them

1851
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,520
Speaker 2: to a billion dollar industry.

1852
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 1: But be that as it may.

1853
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 2: You know, eight hundred and fifty million dollars in public

1854
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 2: funding from a city or from a state that has

1855
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 2: a city that's you know, not the safest to go to,

1856
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 2: and you know, and from all intents and purposes, is

1857
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 2: being run by a knit wit.

1858
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: Why would you why would you.

1859
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 2: Take that money and then give it to a billion

1860
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 2: dollar industry, which is the Chicago Bears. It doesn't make

1861
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,600
Speaker 2: any sense, that's correct. And apparently Indiana is going to

1862
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 2: do it. They're going to somebody is going to pay

1863
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 2: these people. And so Indiana apparently is going to do this.

1864
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 6: Oh that's a that's apparently the thing, and officials are static.

1865
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 2: I'm worked up too much about all this. Say, it's

1866
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 2: not my money.

1867
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 6: That's not mine either.

1868
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 1: My money.

1869
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 2: I'd like to have some of it, but you know too,

1870
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 2: you know, I'll split it with you. Seg get us

1871
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 2: out of the Steward Report. Rocky is here today, and

1872
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 2: that's an anomaly. Normally Rocky, you know, only works like

1873
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 2: four days a week. So I'm happy he's here. What

1874
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 2: what is uh?

1875
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:04,679
Speaker 4: What?

1876
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 1: What? What would you say? They could get us out

1877
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:07,959
Speaker 1: of this and into.

1878
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 10: That ken Brew In honor of hopefully the United States

1879
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 10: coming back to win that gold medal, we leave you

1880
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,839
Speaker 10: with the immortal words of the Stood Report.

1881
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 2: Great moments are born from great oppornity, from great opportunity.

1882
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 1: And that's what you have here tonight, boys.

1883
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 6: And that's what you have here tonight, boys.

1884
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 1: Great opportunity, that's what you've learned here tonight one game.

1885
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 4: If we played them ten times, they might win n.

1886
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 1: But not this game. But not this game, not tonight,

1887
01:37:53,080 --> 01:38:04,679
Speaker 1: not tonight, Tonight, Tonight, we skate with them, tonight with them,

1888
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 1: and we shust them down. Because that's one of this

1889
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 1: great speech. Tonight we are the greatest hockey team in

1890
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 1: the world.

1891
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 2: Jim Craig's looking at him like, what are you smoking? Well,

1892
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 2: they did. They beat the Russians. They ended communism as

1893
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 2: we know it and open the door for a fresh

1894
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 2: wave of communism. But that's an entirely different story. That's

1895
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:37,720
Speaker 2: saga was good talking, all right, good luck tomorrow. I

1896
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 2: have no idea who's in, but it's not made On

1897
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 2: seven hundred wtl W two fifty five News Radio seven

1898
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 2: hundred wtl W, of course we all wait with baited

1899
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 2: if not bad breath, for the epicent of our broadcast day,

1900
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 2: which begins in a mere matter of minutes. And that's,

1901
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 2: of course, when the fabulous team of Rocky Boyman and

1902
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 2: Eddie Fingers winding up in the studio to take you

1903
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 2: right till six o'clock. I might point out voted just recently,

1904
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 2: I believe as one of the top ten afternoon drive

1905
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 2: hosts in the history of well maybe not the history,

1906
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 2: but in the current landscape of broadcasting. And it's great

1907
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:25,600
Speaker 2: to welcome in one of the most ravaging redheads that

1908
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 2: I know, one of the two most here in the

1909
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 2: greater Cincinnati area.

1910
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 1: Rocket J Boyman, Rocky, how are you good? Ken?

1911
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 6: Second only to you in redheaded power.

1912
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 2: You know, the thing Rocket that people don't realize is

1913
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 2: that redhead's really I mean, our true redhead does not

1914
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 2: go gray.

1915
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 1: They don't, that's true.

1916
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 2: They give a lot of gray hairs go gray.

1917
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 1: Yes, kids, I think that's important.

1918
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 2: And by the way, the color of your hair, which

1919
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 2: is striking, and the color of my hair, which is

1920
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 2: a little less. So, I mean, you can't get that

1921
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 2: out of a bottle. There's no way you could replicate that.

1922
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 2: So people have to know it's real right now.

1923
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, when I was young, I hated my red hair.

1924
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 9: My mom would always say, you know, there's people that

1925
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 9: would pay a lot of money to have that color hair.

1926
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 2: Right now, it's like it's like this, the you know,

1927
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 2: the sexy thing. It's been that way for several years

1928
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 2: and I'd just like to I'm ahead of my time,

1929
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:21,719
Speaker 2: right that's your ahead of your time.

1930
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 9: Absolutely, absolutely, So Kay, what do you think real quick?

1931
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,759
Speaker 9: I just saw the Bears possibly maybe moving to Indiana.

1932
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 2: If I was the city of Chicago, well, I would

1933
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 2: do several things. I'd get that Knitwood out of office

1934
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 2: that runs the city first, but I would try. I

1935
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 2: would go through every legal possibility to keep the Bears

1936
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 2: from taking the Chicago name with them. In other words,

1937
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 2: I would say, you're not that you can't have it.

1938
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 2: I don't care how it's trademark, You're not in Chicago.

1939
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:53,680
Speaker 2: You can't take it now. Will you win? Maybe not,

1940
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 2: But I make a stink about it.

1941
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: I really would.

1942
01:40:56,520 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 2: They want eight hundred and fifty million dollars of Illinois

1943
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 2: state taxpayer money to fund that stadium to stay in Chicago.

1944
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure Indiana is going to give them that money.

1945
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 2: You tell me what Illinois would do with, you know,

1946
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,599
Speaker 2: the cesspool that is Chicago right now, What they would

1947
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 2: do with that money in Chicago to clean that place up?

1948
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:19,639
Speaker 2: And you're going to give it to a football team

1949
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:21,599
Speaker 2: that is a billion dollar business.

1950
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 1: It's crazy, But.

1951
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:26,600
Speaker 6: I think they would screw up the money situation regardless.

1952
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 2: Well, they may, I mean they may, I mean they've had,

1953
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 2: They've had a lot of problems, as we have been

1954
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 2: well documented, on the south side of that city. And

1955
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 2: my guess is that if you're if you're a politician,

1956
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 2: you know, are the Bears worth that that much?

1957
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1958
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 9: I don't know, but I know that mayor doesn't want

1959
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 9: to be tagged with the moniker of the guy who

1960
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 9: let the Bears leave Chicago.

1961
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 1: It's not a good thing either. It's not a good

1962
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 1: thing either.

1963
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:56,800
Speaker 2: I mean, there are all kinds of ramifications, but that's

1964
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 2: a lot of money for any state to invest into anything.

1965
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:03,600
Speaker 1: Now. I mean, we got we got stadiums situation.

1966
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, we got our own stadiums to deal with.

1967
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 1: I had no position to be up on a soapbox

1968
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 1: and Cincinnatio something like that.

1969
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 2: But but still, I mean, it's just it's it's it's

1970
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:18,600
Speaker 2: mind boggling. And yeah, I think they're going to go

1971
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 2: to Indiana. But if I was Chicago, I would take

1972
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:23,679
Speaker 2: every legal avenue to prevent them from taking the Chicago

1973
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 2: name with him.

1974
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:28,879
Speaker 6: That's interesting. I might make it Indiana Bears, Indiana Bears.

1975
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:32,040
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound No, it doesn't good. Although I think

1976
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 1: there are Bears in Indiana I've been to a few

1977
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:36,839
Speaker 1: campsites that have been disrupted, and there's.

1978
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 6: Somewhere Ohio, my my mother in law.

1979
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 2: Never mind, anyway, what are you and what are you

1980
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 2: and Edward talking about?

1981
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 6: Well, Eddie is still out, he's gone this whole week.

1982
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:46,719
Speaker 6: He's in Florida.

1983
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 9: But so Jason Williams is in again and right out

1984
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 9: of the gate, we have a guest coming on and

1985
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 9: talk about Uh, you know, so when RFK Junior came in,

1986
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 9: kind of flipped the food pyramid, right, it used to be,

1987
01:42:57,320 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 9: you know, like the bottom you need you know, six

1988
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 9: to eight servings of rains a day, and then I

1989
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 9: kind of went up up the top. Well that's kind

1990
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 9: of been flipped around where you know, protein and meat

1991
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 9: and things like that are more emphasized and got I

1992
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:11,519
Speaker 9: guess coming on and talk about what that means for

1993
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:12,839
Speaker 9: school lunches.

1994
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 5: Right.

1995
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 9: I think every parent out there, if you got a kid,

1996
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:17,840
Speaker 9: you wonder what's my kid gonna eat? And how much

1997
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 9: is it gonna cost and what kind of things do

1998
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:22,000
Speaker 9: they have to do to kind of get the school

1999
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 9: lunches in Simpatico with the new food pyramids. So that'll

2000
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 9: be at three o'clock we have our fitness guest PJ

2001
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:30,719
Speaker 9: Street at at four o'clock.

2002
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 6: Can do you have a morning routine? That that's the

2003
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 6: biggest hit.

2004
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:34,599
Speaker 4: Thing right now.

2005
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:35,959
Speaker 6: It's it's warning routines.

2006
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 5: So I.

2007
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 1: Get up, I urinate. I also you know.

2008
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do that around eight o'clock and then I

2009
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 2: get out of bed at nine.

2010
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:55,519
Speaker 6: Well said that much more, Ken, Yeah, ready to go.

2011
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 2: All right, you guys have a great show. Tell Jason,

2012
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:01,080
Speaker 2: I said, Hi, I really aloid reading his columns.

2013
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 6: I will tell him that. Thank you.

2014
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 1: All right, Rockets say well, you're next on seven hundred

2015
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