1 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: Seven oh six at fifty five KRC Decalk Station. Brian 2 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: Thomas right here, always looking forward to talking with Congressman 3 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: Warren Davidson and a man who's willing to come on 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: the fifty five Carcy Morning Show to talk about important issues, 5 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: and God bless him for it, and God bless those 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: in the eighth District, the district that he serves for 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: electing Congressman Davidson. Welcome back, my friend. It's always a 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on the fifty five KRC Morning Show. 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, always an honor. Nice to talk with you. 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: Brian, starting out with a simple question, was this trip 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: really necessary? Of course the Epstein files. Donald Trump signed 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: the bill to release the Epstein files. We've got thirty 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: days for the Justice Department to probably make a heapload 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: of redactions before producing them, which will result in arguments 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: over whether the redactions were necessary or not. But we're 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: finally getting them overwhelmingly voted in favor of doing this. 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: I guess my initial question for you, Congressman Davidson, do 18 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: you because I asked this a Congressman Massy the other day, 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: kind of one of the guys behind this this whole effort, 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: do you have any reason to understand Donald Trump's flip 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: flopping from promising to release them on the campaign trail 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: to getting elected and then saying no, there's nothing there 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: and we don't have anything to release, to then changing 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: tune after pressure from Congressman Massey and others to release 25 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: the files, to be unanimously voted on to release them 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: by both the House and Senate. I mean, I'm just 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: wondering how what happened, How did this end up being, 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: what became of it, what was the reason for this 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: flip flop. 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 2: Well, honest, we probably will never know why he went 31 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: from saying, you know, we have to do this on 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: the campaign trail to saying at one point that it's 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: a hoax and you know, we just need to drop it. 34 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: It's another Democrat effort to just really target him. But 35 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: that's the main interest Democrats have it that they never 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: put an answer pressure on Barack Obama or Eric Holder, 37 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: or frankly even Trump in his first term to go 38 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: after Epstein. Then when Biden was there no pressure on 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: Biden or Merrick Garland. So it's all just a desperate 40 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: attempt to try to get any any taint of anything 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: on Trump and and so I think that's where Trump's like, 42 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: now you're just going to try to put something in 43 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: the headlines and go after him. I think there's other 44 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: reasons there. Speaker Johnson's also very reluctant to see unredacted 45 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: information being made public. He laid out some of those concerns. 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: He feels like it could harm national security. And I 47 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 2: think that's the implication is is, well, look, if we've 48 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: got intelligence services or frankly allies with intelligence services that 49 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: are trafficking miners, we got to find a different way 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: to do intelligence, you know, and that should come out. Honestly, 51 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: that should come out, yes, and you should find a 52 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: way to work through it. I mean, it's a scandal 53 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: to cover it up. So there's going to be speculation 54 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 2: because like, way, how is it that Pam Bondy's got 55 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: binders full of information and ready to release it? What 56 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: was in the binders? I mean, there was apparently a 57 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: plan to go forward, and then suddenly it was like 58 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 2: cold turkey, you know, nothing to see here, let's move on. 59 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: I don't know that we're ever going to get an 60 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: honest explanation for that. But Pam Bondy was supposed to 61 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: come explain that to Congress while we had the shutdown 62 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: going on. She's supposed to come testify, so hopefully that's 63 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: in the pipeline again. But honestly, I think one of 64 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: the best panels that could be done would have Pam Bondy, 65 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: the current attorney general, the two previous the three or 66 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: four previous attorneys general, Merrick Garland from Biden's administration, Bill 67 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: Barr and Jeff Sessions from Trump's term, and go all 68 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: the way back to Eric Holder. He didn't do anything either. 69 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: So how with all these previous attorney generals and all 70 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: the public things that have gone on about Jeffrey Epstein 71 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: and his clients and client lists and trafficked women, and finally, 72 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: ultimately during Trump's first term, you know, Epstein was prosecuted 73 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: and so was Julane Maxwell. Yeah, so what's the story 74 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: on this case? I mean, that's what people want to know. 75 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: And when you put Juline and Maxwell, Julane Maxwell in 76 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: prison for trafficking miners, yeah, well they were trafficked to somebody. Yeah, 77 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: we're here the rest of the prosecutions. 78 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the whole thing. All of this invites speculation 79 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: and legitimate speculation. You know, Epstein's been previously identified as 80 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: maybe it was a CIA asset. How did a pedophile 81 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: become a CIA operative or asset? And you know the 82 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: other thing about the Democrats, colors Fan David said, you 83 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: know this more than anybody. They made stuff up about 84 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: Trump to go after him. The steel dots was whole 85 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: cloth invention. They lie. Then we find out now that 86 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: January sixth, well, you know, the pipe bombs being planted 87 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: by probably are a Capitol Police officer now working for 88 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: the CIA. The point of that being the draw people's 89 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: attention to the bombs and shut the government down. I mean, 90 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: we don't have any trust out there in so far 91 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: as that goes. But since they made so much stuff 92 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: up about Trump and tried to capture him it with 93 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: made up intel. If there was something in these documents 94 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: with all the people that had the Department of Justice 95 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: was weaponized against Donald Trump, they would have released them, 96 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't they If there was something real in there about Trump. 97 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, they would have one hundred percent they would have. 98 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: And look, even when they tried, you know, last week 99 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: earlier this week to selectively release some references in the email, 100 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: they redacted the name of the person that was in 101 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: the email, and she's been public saying Donald Trump was helpful, 102 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: he didn't do anything bad. So they are selectively trying 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: everything possible. And here's the thing, talk about the no 104 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 2: moral outrage, how dad Donald Trump communicate with Jeffrey Epstein 105 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: And they're going back to like two thousand and four 106 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: in the nineties. Well, post convention, Stacey Plaskett will get 107 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 2: from Virgin Virgin Islands is real time texting with Jeffrey 108 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: Epstein for what purpose? To try to get Trump? Oh, 109 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: we've got to find some way to go after Trump. 110 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: And they're real time got pictures of her in the 111 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: hearing texting, and then you get the text thread and 112 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: that was because not because of the Epstein files, but 113 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: because Speaker Johnson and the House Oversight team Jamie Kellmer 114 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: led a subpoena to get records from the Epstein estate. 115 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: So you're getting extra information. So look, I think a 116 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: lot of the information was forthcoming anyway that can be done. 117 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: But to your point, and I think where a lot 118 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: of people are when I talk to them, is you know, yeah, 119 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: that's great. We don't really need more rage bait from Congress. 120 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: When is somebody going to jail, you know, And I 121 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: think that's the frustration. We want evidence coming out at 122 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: trial where people are put on trial and convicted if 123 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: they were molesting girls that were paid for this stuff, 124 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: right exactly. So that's the thing I mean, I think 125 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: only Pambondi and frankly the other Attorney's General can answer 126 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: that question, like where are the prosecutions and if there's 127 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: an explanation, we'll let us have it and look at 128 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: in the speculation either this guy was intelligence affiliated or 129 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: he wasn't. That was the reference to alex Acosta when 130 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: he was going to prosecute then, and they did a 131 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: settlement in a very friendly one frankly for someone you know, 132 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: doing what Epstein was doing, no. 133 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: Question about it. Well, the first the first victim, I mean, 134 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: you can name others. Treasury Secretary Larry Summer's now resigned 135 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: from his board on open Ai Elsa stepped down from 136 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: position at Harvard. He was texting back and forth with 137 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: Epstein seeking dating advice on how to go to bed 138 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: with some female mentee whose dad was member of the 139 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party. So there's that. But then you had 140 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: Congressman Massey saying he relied on us attorney or US 141 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: Attorney's office files with the Southern District of New York, 142 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: and he said out loud. Previously after deposing cash Bettel, 143 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: he said the files include a Hollywood producer with worth 144 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: a few hundred million dollars, one royal prints, one high 145 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: profile individual in the music industry, very prominent banker, high 146 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: profile government official, one high profile former politician, one owner 147 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: of a car company in Italy, one rock star, one magician, 148 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: at least six billionaires, including a billionaire from Canada. Where 149 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: was pressure? Do you know of any pressure being put 150 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: placed on senators or representatives behind the scenes saying don't 151 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: release these I am mister one hundred million dollar powerful guy, 152 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: and you're gonna get hurt as a consequence of releasing them. 153 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: Do you know if that was actually going on at all? 154 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: Well, we know for sure there's a whole lot of 155 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: overpressure being put on Congressman Thomas Massey to not be 156 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: doing any of these things, right, So, you know, there 157 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: were reports that there were pressure applied to some of 158 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: the people that had signed to this charge petition, and 159 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: then the tipping point came like once once the vote 160 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: is forced, and you know, I never signed the distarct 161 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: petition because I felt like, yeah, we are making good 162 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: progress releasing it. The question I want is, Pam Bondy, 163 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: when are the prosecutions? So that still is an answer, 164 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: but okay, fine, release the files once we're going to 165 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: vote on it. I think overwhelmingly people were gonna Like 166 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: I had said last week, you know, I did an 167 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 2: interview with CNN and they, you know, supposed to talk 168 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: about the shutdown and reopening the government, and of course 169 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: they want to bury the lead there, so they go, well, 170 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: what about the Epstein files? When this comes up, how 171 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 2: are you going to vote? Like, well, I'm going to 172 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: vote yes. Uh But but I think the bigger picture is, yeah, sure, 173 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: disclose them. There may be something there that isn't already 174 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: being disclosed, so fine, disclose it. But the real underlying 175 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: question still is where are the prosecutions? When is someone 176 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: going to jail? And disclosure isn't going to answer that. 177 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's those FBI files. Apparently must create one 178 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: of these files every time someone comes to them with 179 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: information about a crime. Those haven't been released yet. Those 180 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: are all the victim's statements. FBI had those. Why wasn't 181 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: anything done about it? Well, this is what will be revealed, 182 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: hopefully if the documents are indeed produced within thirty days 183 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: as they've been directed to by law. We'll continue with 184 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson. Find out what's next. 185 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:24,479 Speaker 2: The talk station. 186 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: Seven twenty here, fifty five KC the talk station. Happy 187 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: Friday Eve. Brian Thomas here with Congressman Warren Davidson. Moving 188 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: past the Epstein file. Now that that's no longer a distraction, 189 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: or at least less of a distraction. The government's shutdown 190 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: was all over the Democrats' efforts to extend the tax 191 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: credits for people making north of what sixty two five 192 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Those tax credit extensions and are the waiver 193 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: of the cap was as a consequence of COVID and 194 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: LO and behold, the deadline was approaching, and so the 195 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: government gets shut down because the Democrats want to make 196 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: these permanent. I think this has been quite revealing, Congressman Davidson, 197 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering whether there's some project, piece of legislation, 198 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: or proposal to fix the problem, which is the cost 199 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: of medical care. This reveals the insane reality of Obamacare 200 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: being fundamentally broken. If you think about it a family 201 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: of four, if you're making north of sixty two to five, 202 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: you're not eligible for a tax credit for your premium. 203 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: You might pay as much as two thousand dollars a 204 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: month for insurance that won't kick in until if you 205 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: have a family, you've paid twenty one thousand dollars out 206 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: of pocket. That's not insurance, Congressman Davidson, that is the 207 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: revelation of a cossal failure. 208 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is fundamentally the as Republicans said. 209 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 2: When you know, so far Republicans have uniformly opposed of Obamacare, 210 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: or at least refused to get rid of it. That's 211 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: the famous McCain. Well, okay, I'm not going to vote 212 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: to get rid of it, but so far Republicans haven't 213 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: voted for Obamacare in any way. Right, And here we 214 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: are with these COVID era subsidies that are going to 215 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: insurance companies, not to individuals, expire here at the end 216 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: of the year. And you know, Democrats, that's one of 217 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: the long laundry list of one and a half trillion 218 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: dollars worth of spending that they cite as why they 219 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: wanted to shut the government down. And look all that 220 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: is is to cover up for the fact that Obamacare 221 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: itself does not work. So of the places to send 222 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: the subsidies, the dullest place is the health insurance companies, right, 223 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: I mean, the hospitals and doctors have expenses. You could 224 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 2: send it to them, But the individuals are the ones 225 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: that are trying to get cared for, so you could 226 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: send the money to them. But when you've been sending 227 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: the money to the health insurance companies, they didn't lower premiums. 228 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: Premiums have been going up by double digits every year. 229 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: The out of pocket maxes keep growing, claims are denied, 230 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: you get things that are out of network that are crazy. 231 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: It's like, no, it's in the same building house, it 232 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: out of network. All these kinds of things have people 233 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: living about the current state of healthcare. Great quality, I 234 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: mean tremendous doctors and nurses and care, great tech, but 235 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 2: the cost and the payment system is a disaster. And look, 236 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 2: it was before Obamacare. But you know, we'd need to 237 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: be honest. Obamacare did not work as a means of 238 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: fixing it. And you know, frankly, shame on the House 239 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: of Representatives because you know, Democrats have kept wanting to 240 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: say Obamacare is great while hiding the fact that it 241 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: isn't great with more subsidies reinforcing you know what for 242 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: them has to be the brand, Oh, we have to 243 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: save it. And Republicans haven't trotted out the alternatives. We 244 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: have lots of them, and I think the reality is 245 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: you're going to see over the next few weeks some 246 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: of the Republican plans are finally going to see the 247 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: light of day and get some press and get some 248 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: hearings and hopefully some votes. 249 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: One could only hope. And you know, the whole idea Obamacare, 250 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: it was predicated on the idea that you could be 251 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: forced to buy it. And that's one thing the Supreme 252 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: Court said, no, the commerce clause cannot be used as 253 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: an affirmative measure to make people do things. It can 254 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: only be used to restrict people's activities. So once that 255 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: went out the door, the entire Obamacare bubble burst. No 256 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: one wanted this product because of the impediments, the out 257 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: of pocket responsibility and liability, so it became an insurer 258 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: of last resort, and every person with a medical illness 259 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: went over to Obamacare, and that's why the premiums have 260 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: gone through the roof because they're doing nothing but paying claims. 261 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: And healthy people aren't going with Obamacare because there's a 262 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: private insurance market out there. 263 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: Well yeah, and look, the vast majority of people are 264 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: ensured by their employer, you know. So you know, going 265 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: back with some people called the original sin of American 266 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: healthcare during World War Two, they put wage caps so 267 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: you couldn't pay workers more for some stupid FDR reason. 268 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: And so they said, oh, well, we can't give them 269 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: more cash, but we could pay for their health insurance. 270 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: And so that kind of tradition has continued. It's a 271 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: weird anomaly in the United States, and we've never corrected 272 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: it because the payer of the bill isn't the consumer 273 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: of the goods. And so the inflation just has soared 274 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: for healthcare, and as prices got higher, the demand is 275 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: for more subsidies, which really just masks the underlying stuff 276 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: that's gone on with the insurance sector. So we have 277 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: to get after that and fix it. And I think, 278 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: you know, President Trump, part of what broke Democrats is 279 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: when he was saying, well, okay, let's just send the 280 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: subsidies to individuals instead of the insurance companies. Well, let's 281 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: quit talking about that, and I think we're going to 282 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: talk more about that and a whole range of other alternatives, 283 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: because we can't just keep cutting checks to the insurance 284 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: companies and counting on them to fix the industry. It 285 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: clearly hasn't worked. 286 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: Well, and that just causes the American taxpayer to shoulder 287 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: the burden of everything. The premiums aren't just disappearing, they're 288 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: being masked by a government subsidy. And that just government 289 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: subsidy means it's coming out of government coffers, meaning the 290 00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: federal of a budget, a deficit inducing thing. So the 291 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: the premiums are still there, many people just weren't seeing them. 292 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: So now again the veil has been removed on this 293 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme, if I can loosely call it that, I'm 294 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: looking for good things out of the Republicans on this. Obviously, 295 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: the option of being giving the money directly to people 296 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: like school choice, giving the tax dollars to these students 297 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: and letting them and the families choose, that seems to 298 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: me an ideal thing. Noting again that there is a 299 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: massive private market out there, and I represent a company 300 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: that deals with people on the private market. Tons of 301 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: options exist, just like the federal Gunment doesn't want you 302 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: to believe there's anything but Obamacare a disaster. Gotr's some 303 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: Rowin Davidson. God bless you, sir for coming on the 304 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: fifty five Carecy Morning Show. We appreciate what you do 305 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: for us and look forward to great things coming out 306 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: of Congress as we move forward in the aftermath of 307 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: the Epstein fight and the government closure fight. 308 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: Well, look, I don't want to let that become a 309 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: distraction either. I mean, we're getting good things done. The 310 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: Trump administration's on offense. Things are moving in the right direction, 311 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: and we should keep that focus. We got to get 312 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: run through the tape and get the rest of our 313 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: appropriations bills done and fund this government the proper way, 314 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: which is a smaller, more focused government. But thanks a lot, Brian, 315 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: God bless you and all your listeners. 316 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. Seven twenty seven to fifty five KRCD 317 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: Talk Station. I've been dreaming of a smaller government.