1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: Hey, Michael, I just stopped at them the will Rogers 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Turnarpike archway. 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 2: What a postcard? 4 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 3: I have stamps in my wallet and I will mail 5 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 3: a postcard, probably from Missouri, because I'm not gonna stop 6 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 3: your ty longer on the uh side to mail a postcard. 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 4: I find a post office. I don't want to get 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 4: off the turnpike. Are you gonna mail it to us? 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 4: You got mail? 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: That's a postcard from the from the crossover on the 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: Turner Turnpike. 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 4: Uh, this is directed. 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: At Dragon because obviously, uh, you're number twenty seven zero 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: six Michael or Dragon Dragon? 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 4: What great friends you must be? 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 1: Never sent a birthday or Christmas card a p one 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: Gomer two seven zero six. 18 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: That text business is great because you know what I do, 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: what I receive a birthday Wait? 20 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: This is why I'm the talent and the other producer. 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: We'd like to know what you do with birthday cards, 23 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: what both of us do with what the goobers do 24 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: with birthday cards if they receive yes, yes, we now 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: find out that some people actually do male things. And 26 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: one of these text messages reminded me of something that 27 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: I did mail, but it's now been almost almost a 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: year ago, and I'll tell you that in a minute. 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: But we'd like to know what you do with your 30 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: birthday cards, because Dragon and I and don't lie to us. 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: We do something that I think you do too. 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 5: Upper nine of all guys. 33 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: I think seventy more of all women too. Well, they well, 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: so some women try to fake it, and you can 35 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: read into that whatever you want to know. 36 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 5: Missus Redbeard does the exact same thing I do. 37 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: Does she? 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: Okay, well, Tamra tries to fake it. Now there's some 39 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: because I've seen some in a desk drawer, but she 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: will set it up like on the kitchen counter so 41 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: that we can all see it for a while and 42 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: then it'll kind of mysteriously disappear. 43 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 5: It's gone. 44 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, weird. 45 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what is the proper length of time between 46 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: opening the birthday cards? 47 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 4: Say from your son, one of your sons, or Lance 48 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 4: might send you a you know, or even missus Redbeard 49 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: might give you a birthday card. What's the time? 50 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: What's the appropriate allowable time between opening and reading the 51 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: card and throwing in the trash? 52 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 5: Then you open it, read it. I'm a slow reader. 53 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, you are. Yeah, you're pretty. 54 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: Slow by the time opening and the trash can uh huh. 55 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 5: Thirty to forty five seconds. 56 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: And guys out there, if you if you say otherwise, 57 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: we think you're lying. And if you're lying, and if 58 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: you want to prove that you're not lying, then send 59 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: us a photograph. Email it Michael Brown at iHeartMedia dot 60 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: com or Dragon at iHeartMedia dot com your photo of 61 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: all of your birthday cards that you have saved over 62 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: the years. 63 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 5: The very first. 64 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: Text that came in and I don't want to call Yeah, 65 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: I'm gonna call you out zero two three eight Michael 66 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: read them and throw them. 67 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 4: Away exactly It's exactly right, and it reminded me. 68 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: I think the last thing I mailed was my my 69 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: mom loves and I don't. I don't understand it, but 70 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: because you know, I handle all of her finances and everything, 71 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: she likes the little visa gift cards. 72 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 4: I hate those things, you know, there's. 73 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: Always fees involved and everything, but she likes those because 74 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: she thinks that that's better than me sending her like 75 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: cash for her birthday. So instead of standing mom, like, 76 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: here's two hundred fifty dollars to go spend on dinner, 77 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: or you know, take your girlfriends out to breakfast, do 78 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. She likes the little gift cards, 79 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: so I have to go to King Supers and buy those, 80 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: and I have to, you know, make sure to put 81 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: the receipt in and then send it off. 82 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 4: And so I do. 83 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: I do mail those, but I'm more of a fed 84 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: X ups guy. 85 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: We also have a text that we're not supposed to 86 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: read on air. Oh, let me refresh and see. But 87 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: it is the exact same thing that all of us do. 88 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: And another text message comes in, read and toss. 89 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 4: Let's see. 90 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: We will tell you right now. Whatever you're asking us 91 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: about the NBC plug. 92 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 4: We have no idea. I didn't hear it. 93 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: Dragon probably didn't hear because we just don't listen to 94 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: that stuff going on. We have other things to do. 95 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: Well. 96 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 4: I don't see the one we're not supposed to read, 97 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 4: because obviously I was going to read it. It says it 98 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: at the end, Oh, at the end, at the end. 99 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: I'm looking at the beginning, all right. I don't want 100 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: family members to hear this. I don't see it. Oh, 101 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 3: here it is here, it is. I read the card. 102 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: I'm the producer and you're the town. 103 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: We won't give your number out, but I read the 104 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: card and then and then I don't have it read 105 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: on air. See, we just on this program. We just 106 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: deal in reality. We live in the real world. Oh yeah, 107 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: be right. 108 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: Back, Michael and Dragon Cooper thirty three thirty three. 109 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: Here just going to say, Hi. That's it, Hi, Hi, Hi. 110 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 4: Good to hear from you. Always good to hear from you. 111 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: So in the last segment, you heard and you can 112 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: hear it or watch it at Michael says, go here 113 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: dot com. This stupid little video that Jason Crow and 114 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: Senator Kelly and Senator Slopkin a bunch of others made 115 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: about telling military personnel that you must disobey unlawful orders. 116 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: It's really something to make that claim and then not 117 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: provide any sort of examples of any unlawful orders, or 118 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: to claim that there are indeed a lot of unlawful 119 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: orders taking place and that you are failing in your 120 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: duty to not comply with those. Now again, I want 121 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: to play I want to play this again. I was 122 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: going to play you the SoundBite from Fox News yesterday. 123 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: Well you know what, I am going to do that 124 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: because it's Jason Crowe trying to justify what happens is well, 125 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: just take a listener. Martha McCallum wants to know what 126 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: are you talking about. 127 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 6: In essence, Eric Schmidt, that he released on acts. 128 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 5: This is what he said at the end of the day. 129 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 6: He's speaking about the members of Congress who did this video. 130 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 6: They're mad at the American people that the American people 131 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 6: shows Trump and now they're calling on the military and 132 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 6: intelligence community to intervene. Sounds a little quote subversive to democrisy, ish, says. 133 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 7: Senator Eric Schmidt. 134 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 6: So let me give you a moment to respond to that, Corsman. 135 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, that's so patently false and absurd. 136 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 7: I don't even know how to respond to it. 137 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 8: What we are doing is reminding people of their obligations 138 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 8: under sedual law and under the UCMJ in no different 139 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 8: way than I did when I was an infantry officer 140 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 8: and an infantry lieutenant preparing. 141 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 7: My soldiers to be deployed. It is as simple as that. 142 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 5: People. 143 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 8: You know, that's unfortunate than politics. These days, people grab 144 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 8: something and twist it and contort it and lie make it. 145 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 6: You have grabed something and twisted it and contort it 146 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 6: you have. You know, you're you're talking to young members 147 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 6: of the American military, and you're not telling them specifically 148 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 6: what it is they should see as illegal. 149 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 4: And they don't at all. 150 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: In fact, I would challenge Congressman Crow to really explain 151 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: to his constituents, for that matter, now the general public 152 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: at large, the Uniform Code of Military Justice and exactly 153 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: what it says about obeying orders, because he leaves out 154 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: I mean, when the words use the word nuance, he 155 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: makes such broad generalizations as to in my opinion, he's 156 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: being absolutely disingenuous in several ways. First by implying that, hey, 157 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: all of you out there in the military and in 158 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: the intel communities, we're aware of there are unlawful orders, 159 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: and you have an obligation not to follow an unlawful order, 160 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: but we can't tell you what those unlawful orders are. 161 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: Is well, let me play this one. Here's some more 162 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: of him. 163 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 6: Members prominent members of the United States Congress, to tell 164 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 6: young men and women of the military that they should 165 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 6: not abide by illegal orders and to leave it so vague, 166 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 6: and to talk about comments that have been made in 167 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 6: the past and what they might lead to. I think 168 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 6: could potentially be very confusing for young men and women 169 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 6: who have committed to service, which you honorably did, and 170 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 6: I commend you for the sacrifice that you made. 171 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 7: Let me just show you this. This is Senator of 172 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 7: the Market. I'm going to respond. 173 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: Okay, listen to his response, and then we'll come back 174 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: and we'll walk through the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 175 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: because I think Jason Crow is just lying out his teeth. 176 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 7: Under that go ahead. 177 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 8: Military service is tough, It's really tough. We send our 178 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 8: men and women into very difficult, very sometimes untenable situations. 179 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 8: I know that I've been in those situations. That's why 180 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 8: moral clarity, that's why reminding people about what the obligations are. 181 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 8: That's why abiding by the law and providing guidance and 182 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 8: training them. 183 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 7: In advance is important. 184 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 8: You can never wait until there's a problem to train 185 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 8: people and prepare them for that. 186 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 4: Now you get it. 187 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: What the implication here is is that the Pentagon is 188 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: utterly failing to help new members of the military. Whatever 189 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: branch uriand doesn't mean difference to me, whatever Brancherian, that 190 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: we are failing to explain to you, teach you and 191 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: learn and discipline you to follow lawful commands, because that's 192 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: the real issue. Because there is, and I'll get into 193 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: detail about this in the minute, there is a strong 194 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: presumption we in fact the under the Universe uniform called 195 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: a military justice, you operate from a presumption that is 196 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: very difficult to overcome, a presumption that all orders are lawful. 197 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to address that because he's playing nothing 198 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: but politics with a military here, and I find it abhorrent. 199 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 8: Well, it's really really important that we set the conditions 200 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 8: right now to make sure that people understand their constitutional obligations. 201 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 8: And we are only talking about unlawful orders versus lawful orders. 202 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: That is the stand, and she's right, he has failed 203 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: to outline what those are. 204 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 2: Three three one zero three three three one zero three 205 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: three three one zero three. It's like being in a cult. 206 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 4: Man. 207 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: Hey, I had a seizure the other day. I was 208 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: very proud of it. I fell down with an epileptic seizure, 209 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: bouncing around like one of those little electric football guys 210 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: on the little electric football table. I'd like to know 211 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: how to stop that from coming into my life. Have 212 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: a good day, guys, Three three one zero three. 213 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: We'd like to figure out way for coming into your life. Also, 214 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: holy cow. 215 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 4: And by the way, when's the last time you saw 216 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 4: one of. 217 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: Those little electric football games like that with a little 218 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: vibrating players. 219 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 4: So Jason Crawl and Mark tell me a bunch of. 220 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: The other yahoo's that are former military or intel members 221 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: think that they need to go out And what they're 222 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: really doing is they're trying to convince ignorant Americans, not you, 223 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: ignorant Americans that Donald Trump is And I guess for. 224 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 4: That man in the Secretary of War Pete Hagses. 225 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: Is out just issuing cart blaunches all of these unlawful orders. 226 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 4: He is not. 227 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: But set that aside for a moment. Why would you 228 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: go out and make a claim and try to convince 229 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: all of these you know, all these newbies that, oh, 230 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: you you have the right to defy an unlawful order. 231 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: It's not that easy. It's not that simple, and they 232 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: know it. And that's what pisses me off. Under the 233 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: Uniform Code of Military Justice, a service member is criminally 234 00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: liable only for disobeying lawful orders. There is both a 235 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: legal duty to obey lawful orders and a legal duty 236 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: to refuse. I'm very specifically using these words there's a 237 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: legal duty to refuse manifestly unlawful orders. But an unlawful 238 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: order itself is not defined in the Uniform Code of 239 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: Military Justice and instead has been developed through the Manual 240 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: four Courts Martial case law, and obviously the rules of engagement. 241 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 4: So the key provisions. 242 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: That I'm talking about here are articles ninety ninety one 243 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: and ninety two that are codified at If you want 244 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: to look this up, you can google the Uniform Code 245 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: of Military Justice articles ninety ninety one and ninety two, 246 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: or you can go to Title ten, section eight ninety 247 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: through eight ninety two. Now, each of those sections makes 248 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: it punishable for the willful disobedience or failure to a 249 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: bay a lawful command or order from a superior and 250 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: there's you know, commissioned officers. 251 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah. 252 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: But none of those articles provide a statutory definition of 253 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: what is lawful. But both the Manual for Courts martial 254 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: and the appellate decisions hold that an order is presumed lawful. 255 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: Let me just pause for a moment. So for any 256 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: order given, there is an automatic presumption that the order 257 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: is lawful. 258 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 4: So in law, if something. 259 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: Is presumed to be x but you think it's why 260 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: you have to overcome the ex presumption. So it's you 261 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: start down here with the baseline that every order is lawful, 262 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: and if you think it's unlawful, you have to overcome 263 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: that presumption that it is lawful. That's not an easy 264 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: thing to do. It's like it's just like you are 265 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: presumed innocent until you are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. 266 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: You walk into that courtroom innocent, and it's only until 267 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: a jury unanimously decides that the state has proven every 268 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: single element of a crime, and they decided that you 269 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: are guilty of every single element of that crime, and 270 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: so they return a verdict of guilty. The same is 271 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: true with orders that are lawful versus unlawful. You start 272 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: from the point that the orders are lawful, and the 273 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: appellate decisions and for that matter of the Manual for 274 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: Courts Martial, hold that an order is presumed lawful and 275 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: must have a valid military purpose. It must be clear 276 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: and specific, and it cannot conflict with the Constitution, a statute, 277 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: or clearly applicable international law. An unlawful order is generally 278 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: understood as one that requires a criminal act or clearly 279 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: emphasize the word clearly violates constitutional limits, or it clearly 280 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: violates federal law, or it violates the law of armed conflict. 281 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 4: The only example I can. 282 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: Think of there is is like intentionally targeting civilians, or 283 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: the torture of detainees, or falsifying official records, or something 284 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: that is clearly unlawful domestic law enforcement or political use 285 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: of troops. But I want you to think about the 286 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: presumption and the burden, because with the presumption comes a burden. 287 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: The presumption is the order is lawful. Now what's the burden. 288 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: All orders are presumed lawful, and that presumption is very strong. 289 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: So the accused in this case, that would be the 290 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: person that these yahoo senators and congressmen are talking to 291 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: that would challenge an order. That person bears the burden 292 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: of rebutting the lawfulness of an order by showing or 293 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: proving that the order was manifestly or patently unlawful. Now, 294 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: because of that presumption, a member who just you know, 295 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: they saw this stupid video, so they refuse an order. 296 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: If you do that, you've better be sure that it's unlawful, 297 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: because if if you can't overcome that presumption, you face 298 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 1: very real exposure under Articles ninety ninety one and ninety two, 299 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: unless the unlawfulness of the order is so evident that 300 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: any reasonable service member should recognize it. And again the 301 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: example would be like a classic war crime of you know, 302 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: like shooting civilians on purpose. 303 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 4: Those are kind of the textbooks examples. 304 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: Now, the Department of Defense, the Department of War, their 305 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: guidance and their training doctrines. 306 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 4: This is what they're trained by, trained under. 307 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 1: Now emphasize that personnel are obligated to obey only lawful orders, 308 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: but you must not comply with something that is manifestly unlawful. 309 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: If a service member executes a clearly unlawful order, for example, 310 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: you're told to go kill these civilians or these non combatants, 311 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: you can be crimly liable for the underlying offense. And 312 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: obedience to the order is not an automatic defense. Now, 313 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: let's think about convictions. Let's think about the elements of 314 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: lawful versus unlawful orders and the mental state of these 315 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: individuals that Jason Crowe is addressing in that stupid video. 316 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: For a conviction under Article ninety one or ninety two, 317 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: the government has to prove that the order was lawful, 318 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: that the accused knew that the order was lawful, had 319 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: a duty to obey, and then willfully willfully disobey the order. Now, 320 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: wilfully generally means intentional defiance. It doesn't mean you were 321 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: just negligent, or you forgot about it, or you weren't 322 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: thinking about it. It means that you have to willfully 323 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: disobey the order. So if the accused shows the order 324 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: was illegal or that the non compliance was not wilful, 325 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: in other words, a genuine inability to comply, I could 326 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: not do what you asked me to do because I 327 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: was I was tied up and handcuffed and buried six 328 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: feet under. Now that could defeat or mitigate the charge, 329 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: but that's going to be again dependent upon the circumstances, 330 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: and it's going to be very difficult to overcome that presumption. 331 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: There is and in a few military lawyers out there 332 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: are gont to correct me, your ol dad, I'm thinking 333 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: about you. I don't think there is a single uniform 334 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: Code of Military Justice checklist for how to refuse, but 335 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: there is some legal guidance, some practice that outlines kind 336 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: of a de facto procedure. The service members should first 337 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: seek clarification, including how the order complies with the law, 338 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: or how the order complies with the rules of engagement. 339 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: Millwards ask your superior is this in compliance with the law? 340 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: Is this in compliance with the rules of engagement? You 341 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: then have to attempt to resolve through your chain of command. 342 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: You've got to document the circumstances, and you've got to 343 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: promptly seek a judge at the Advocate General, a military 344 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: lawyer advice, or report the incident to the Inspector General 345 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: if the unlawfulness appears clear. 346 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 4: If a refusal leads to charges. 347 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: The lawfulness of the order and the reasonableness of the 348 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: member's assessment then get litigated in a court martial, with 349 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: the purported unlawful unlawful order argument raised as a defense 350 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: or justification to the offense that you're charged with under 351 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: Articles ninety ninety one or ninety two. Let me repeat that, 352 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: if you end up getting charged, the lawfulness of the order, 353 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: the reasonableness of the member's assessment of its lawfulness or 354 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: unlawfulness gets litigated in a court martial if the unlawful 355 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: organ if the unlawful order is raised as a defense 356 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: or justification, you've got to overcome that presumption. So there's 357 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: not a neat statutory definition of unlawful order. There's not 358 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: a standalone procedure article that I know of titled, you know, 359 00:21:55,119 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: non compliance with unlawful orders? Instead, do you see criminalizes 360 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: disobedience only of lawful orders and leaves unlawful orders to 361 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: be flashed out by the Manual for Courts Martial, the 362 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: Law of War Doctor, and of course the case law 363 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: that is built up. 364 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 4: Around the Uniform Code of Military Justice. 365 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: In practice, if if you follow the advice of people 366 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: like Jason Crowe, you're going to have to make a 367 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: really high stakes judgment that is, obey a presumed lawful order, 368 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: or if the order is clearly illegal on its face, 369 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: then refuse, and then you better be prepared to justify 370 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: that decision under Articles nineteen ninety one and ninety two 371 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: with the unlawfulness of the order as your core defense. 372 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: It's pretty complicated, but let's get down to what these 373 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: y'awhoos are claiming in this video. They're in essence claiming 374 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of unlawful orders that are 375 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: being promulgated out there, and that you're being encouraged by 376 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: these yahoos to disobey them and that disobeying of those 377 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: orders really comes with a high stakes peril. How is 378 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: the trust at risk? I've got full confidence in the military, 379 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: absolute confidence in them. So somehow Trump is pitting them 380 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: against ordinary citizens the military not talking about ice not 381 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: how I'm not even talking talking about guard that has 382 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: not been deployed. I'm talking about here. They're talking about 383 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: service members are being pitted against their own citizens. They're 384 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: fellow citizens. You know, I could in a sort of 385 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: smartest comment here about, yeah, you did take an oath, 386 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: Are you guys uphold your oath to adhere to the Constitution? 387 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: I sorely doubt it. The threats to the constitution are 388 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: coming from here, from the commander in chief, from your superiors, 389 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: from the Secretary of War. Why don't you tell us 390 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: where they're coming from? And better yet, why don't you 391 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: tell us what those what those are? Tell us what 392 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: unlawful orders are being given? Because I don't think you. 393 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 7: Can votes in the Caribbean. This president. 394 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 4: Here, what he just said, So do you think those 395 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 4: are unlawful orders? 396 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 7: Votes in the Caribbean? This president. 397 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 2: In Iran? 398 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 6: Did you have a problem with taking out Iranian. 399 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 7: Nuclear You've seen, We've seen more conflict. 400 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: I want you to listen closely to this statement, because remember 401 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: the issue here is disobeying unlawful orders. But the typical 402 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: liberal Jason Crowe shifts the argument on Fox News yesterday, 403 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: he goes from disobeying unlawful orders too. 404 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 6: On, did you have a problem with taking out Iranian. 405 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 8: Nuclear Are you seeing we've seen more conflict and more 406 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 8: use in the military in the first eleven months of 407 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 8: this administration that we have in any administration. 408 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: Okay, then tell me which of those operations were unlawful. 409 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: Come on, congressman, there's such a no at all, stand 410 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: up and tell you're you're you're on Fox News. It's 411 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: not like you're in a courtroom. Why don't you Why 412 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: don't you tell Ms McCallum exactly what the unlawful orders are? 413 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no no, You're now going to shift 414 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: to a political argument that we're using the military too much. 415 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: While we're using the military more than that I can 416 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: remember in my lifetime. 417 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 8: What needs to happen is they need to come to 418 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 8: Congress and we needed to debate this, and for him 419 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 8: to say there's no new it. 420 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: You want to go to Congress. I'll want you to 421 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: think about this for a moment. Let's take the strikes 422 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: on the Iranian nuclear sites. 423 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 4: You want to. 424 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: Take that surprise attack where the bombers took off in 425 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: like most of the bombers took off in one direction. 426 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: A couple of bombers took off in a different direction 427 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: as a diversionary tactic. And you want to go debate 428 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: the tactics of that bombing in the United States Congress. Huh, 429 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: what kind of idiot are you? Those of a debate. 430 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: By the way, we weren't declaring war. The President was 431 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: not there. He did not ask for a declaration of 432 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: war under the Constitution. And if you understand anything about 433 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: the War Powers Act, then you would understand, Congressman Crow, 434 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: that the president had the authority to do that, and 435 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: that's his foreign policy. He did it in the best 436 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: interests of this country and in the best interests of 437 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: our ally, and he took out those nuclear sites. And 438 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: you want to debate it in Congress, you're some kind 439 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: of stupid. 440 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 8: War That's exactly the problem, because only Congress can declare 441 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 8: a war. 442 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right. 443 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: If you don't like what's happening, are you saying that 444 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: you wanted to declare war on the on the Iranians. 445 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying, because none others one you 446 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 1: want to declare war on the Iranians, but we did 447 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: want to take out their nuclear sites. 448 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 4: There's two different things. 449 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 8: Only Congress, according to our Constitution, has the authority. 450 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 7: How it works. Surely you don't because you're saying. 451 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 4: WHOA really? I think you've been off this one more 452 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 4: than you can chew you. 453 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 7: That's not the war exists or it's not a problem. 454 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 7: The United States Congress is the one that has to. 455 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 6: Make typically what your issue is. And so for members 456 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 6: prominent members of the United States Congress to tell young 457 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 6: men and women of the military that they should not 458 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 6: abide by illegal orders and to leave it so vague 459 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 6: and to talk about comments that have been made in 460 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 6: the past and what they might lead to, I think 461 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 6: could potentially be very confusing for young men and women 462 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 6: who have committed to service, which you honorably did, and 463 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 6: I commend you for the sacrifice that you made. Let 464 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 6: me just show you this. 465 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 8: This is Senator the market I'm going to respond to 466 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 8: that military service is tough. 467 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 6: She is recruitment rising, and the military under. 468 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 8: The President here's an interesting fact for you, Martha. Our 469 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 8: men and women actually are very smart, very incredible men 470 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 8: women in our military and serving well apparently I do. 471 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 7: Them for the United States. 472 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 8: Military, Well, you know you don't think they can handle 473 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 8: a reminder about titual law and the u CMJ. 474 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,479 Speaker 4: Is what I'm hearing in a reason you didn't give 475 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 4: us a reminder. 476 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: You actually suggested that, uh, the military is being used 477 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: against its own citizens and that he's engaged in unlawful acts. 478 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 4: So tell us what are. 479 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 8: Those survey showed that eight out of KEN service members 480 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 8: deeply understand their obligation of lawful orders. 481 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: Oh well, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, 482 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: So if eighty percent of members deeply understand their obligation 483 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: to follow because remember there is a presumption that orders are. 484 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 4: Lawful, that he kind of got he kind of kinds. 485 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: The skirt around that by citing this this, this so 486 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: called survey that says and. 487 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 8: A recent survey showed that eight out of KEN service 488 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 8: members deeply understand their obligation of lawful orders. 489 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: Okay, so if if eighty percent of them understand the 490 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: lawful orders, which means they understand that there's a presumption 491 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: that the orders are lawful, Then what's what what? 492 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 4: What's the claim here, Congressman. 493 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: Is the claim that they don't understand the uniform Code 494 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: of mill sorry Justice, that they don't understand their constitutional obligation. 495 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: Or is it your claim that some of the things 496 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: that Trump is doing is unconstitutional? Because if that's your claim, 497 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: why don't you have the colonies? You just come out 498 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: and tell us that you know why he won't, because 499 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: all they're doing is trying to make a political point.