1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Too night. Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: director of talk. 3 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 2: Show host Michael Brown. 4 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 3: Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job. 5 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: The Weekend with Michael Brown. Hey, welcome back to the 6 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. 7 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Appreciate you tuning in. We're broadcasting from Denver, Colorado as usual. 8 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: Text line, as always, is always open on your message 9 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: app that numbers three three one zero three three three 10 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: one zero three. Keyword Mike or Michael. 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Last last hour, 21 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about language, how words mean 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: things that people want it to mean. Well, I want 23 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: to tell you that we might be at what I 24 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: would call a turning point, an inflection point, or maybe 25 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: a tipping point. You know, Malcolm Gladwell wrote a book 26 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: it's been decades ago, called The Tipping Point, and it 27 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: described how events kind of accumulate and the cumulative effect 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: of that accumulation of events reaches a point that he 29 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: calls the tipping point, where a social issue, a scientific matter, 30 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: something will tip over and it will be an entirely new, 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: almost novel denovo type of issue. And I think we're 32 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: at a turning or a tipping point, perhaps maybe the 33 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: closing act of an era that's been marked by all 34 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: these apocalyptic environmental warnings and the climate crisis narrative that 35 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: has really dominated public discourse. For that, I don't know 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: the last years. I just know that when I was 37 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: in high school and involved in high school debate and 38 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: even in my college debate years, that climate change although 39 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: it was originally you know, we were entering the you know, 40 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: a new ice age, and then suddenly became we're all 41 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: going to burn to death, and then it became well, 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: it's just changing all the time, and it's all our 43 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: fault because we drive internal combustion engines, we eat meat, 44 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: we breathe out co two. Well, we humans exist, and 45 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: so it's just our fault and so just deal with 46 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: it and just you know, go off yourself. So the 47 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: planet can live a happy life without any humans on it. 48 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: That's been at least fifty years or longer. Well, let's 49 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: discuss about how we got here, why things are changing, 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: and what might be coming next. And let's start with 51 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: a recent headline that we talked about on this program. 52 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: Bill Gates, once one of the most prominent advocates of 53 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: urgent climate action, a couple of weeks ago publicly declared 54 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: that he no longer considers climate change a serious existential 55 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: threat to humanity. I think that indeed is an inflection point. 56 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a turning point, maybe it's a tipping point, 57 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: pick whichever one you think that it is. But Bill Gates, 58 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: in conversations over at CNBC, said several things that make 59 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: me believe that he's had a change of heart. Now 60 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: I don't know Bill Gates. He'd never sit down with 61 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: me that I know of. But when people have these 62 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: kinds of moments on their road to Damascus, where suddenly 63 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: they believe or suddenly they disbelieve. Suddenly they've had a 64 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: complete change of heart. I'm always curious what was it. 65 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: Can you name me one, two, three or more things 66 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: that on your road to Damascus you suddenly had this 67 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: change of heart. I really would like to know. This 68 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: is Bill Gates on global warming with a new climate message. 69 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: Climate is a super important problem. There's enough innovation here 70 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: to avoid super bad outcomes. 71 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: So it's a problem. But I'm recognizing there's enough innovation 72 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: that we may be able to solve some of these problems. 73 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: We won't achieve our best goal, the one point five 74 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: or even the two degrees. And as we go about 75 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: trying to minimize that, we have to frame it in 76 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: terms of overall human wealthfare, not just everything should be 77 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: solely for climate. 78 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: How much of your own view is a function of 79 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: just contextually what's happening in the world versus what I 80 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: think you've fought for a long time about the climate. 81 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: Well, if the aid budgets to poor cun we're continuing 82 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 2: to go up the way they did over the last 83 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: twenty five years, and then the trade offs between climate 84 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: action and saving children's lives wouldn't be as acute as 85 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: it is now that these budgets are going down, and 86 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: going down quite a bit. And so the plea here 87 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: is to say, okay, let's take that very limited money 88 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: and not have some partitioned off for thicker causes. Let's 89 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: measure it all in terms of the human welfare. How 90 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: do you help those countries? 91 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: I find that fascinating because if you recall, Barack Obama 92 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: was the one who once told a group of college 93 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: students in Africa or high school students whatever they were, 94 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: there really sucks to be you because you live in 95 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: a really crap whole country and you can't have refrigeration 96 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: or you can't have air conditioning because it's going to 97 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: burn up the planet. And Bill Gates is an essence 98 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: saying there. At least the way I interpret is that 99 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: now that we're cutting off aid, which you know, most 100 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: of it was just wasted or use for really you know, 101 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: absurd purposes, we really ought to focus what limited aid 102 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: we give to underdeveloped countries on how do we best 103 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: take care of children? Did he suddenly have some grandkids? 104 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: Did he suddenly wake up and realize that there are 105 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: starving kids in Africa, that they're dying from malaria or 106 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: HIV from HIV from their mothers, or what happened here, 107 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure, but he continued. 108 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 3: When the climate activists, who have been very supportive of 109 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: what you've done, and you've been very supportive of what 110 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: they've done, read this. And if Greta Thunberg is reading 111 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: this and saying to herself, my goodness, he seems like 112 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 3: he is reversing himself. What would you tell her? 113 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: I'd say, it wasn't the goal here to improve human lives. 114 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: And see I find that fascinating because I thought climate 115 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: action climate activists was not to improve our lives, but 116 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: to save us from destruction, to save the planet, to 117 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: make certain that we didn't all burn up. Now Bill 118 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: Gates's time, Oh no, No, all this climate stuff was 119 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: always about just improving human life. Well, if the climate's 120 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: always been changing, and it has, we now know. For example, 121 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: I've always given this example. We had the big Thompson 122 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: flood decades ago in Colorado. The destruction was pretty bad, 123 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: but we had a flood in I'd say probably the 124 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: past five years may have been longer down the exact 125 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: same canyon, and the flood went down the same path, 126 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: same canyon, same river, except the destruction and damages this 127 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: time was probably ten or one hundred times greater than 128 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: it was decades ago. And that was because human life 129 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: and our infrastructure has improved so much over time that 130 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 1: we mitigated against those potential disasters. So the damage wasn't 131 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: as great, even though it could have been even greater 132 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: had we not done the things we had done. Like 133 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, we have stronger bridges, stronger highways. We build 134 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: things in flood zones knowing that they may flood, so 135 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: we build according to building codes to try to minimize that. 136 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: We mitigate against disasters, and so the consequences are still severe, 137 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: but they're not nearly severe as they would have been. 138 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: But for modernization of society. 139 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: Shouldn't we in our awareness of how little generosity there 140 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 2: is to help measure, you know, should we get them 141 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: amasles vaccine or should we do some climate related activity? 142 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 2: And if if we could take if we stop punting 143 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: all vaccines and that you know, saved yo point one degree, 144 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 2: would that be a smart trade off? That's the kind 145 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: of question and we have to ask. So I'm a 146 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: climate activist, but I'm also a child survival activist. 147 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: Oh, so what do you think is going to be 148 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: the critique of this. There are going to be people 149 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: who are going to say that you are changing the 150 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: goalposts because of this political climate as a way to 151 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 3: placate President Trump, who is not thin on the side 152 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: of some of the zero and obviously the Parish Climate 153 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: Accord and things like that. 154 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: Well I'm glad, Well you'll hear, you'll hear mister Gates's 155 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: answer coming up next, don't go away. Welcome back to 156 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. 157 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: Text line as usual, always opened three three ones zero three, 158 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: keyword micro Michael. 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Back to Bill Gates, 165 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: as I say, I think we have reached a tipping point, 166 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: and Bill Gates is the primary cause of this tipping 167 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: point because he's come out vocally a couple of weeks 168 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: ago and said that, you know, actually saving kids is 169 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: probably more important than all the climate activism that I've 170 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: involved in. In fact, I'm a child activist. 171 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 2: He says that some of the provisions that promoted new 172 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: climate technologies got preserved. I was disappointed that a lot 173 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: of that was taken away, but the provision supporting nuclear 174 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: and shield thermal, some of those were maintained. The US 175 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: is pulled back, and that's that's a huge disappointment. We 176 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: really need all the countries working together on this, just 177 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: like we need them to be generous on the aid budget. 178 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 2: If you think climate is the only problem and it's acalyptic, 179 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: or if you think climate's not a problem at all, 180 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: my memo will make no sense to you. You'll be like, oh, no, 181 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: it should all be climate. Or you'll be like, why 182 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: are you even still talking about this climate thing? Why 183 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: why do you invest billions of your money into these companies. 184 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: The middle position that climate is super important but has 185 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: to be considered in terms of overall human welfare. I 186 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: didn't pick that position because it's a you know, everybody 187 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: agrees with it. 188 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: Do you think what might really be going on is 189 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: that reality has hit Bill Gates in the face when 190 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: you have Europe, for example Germany. Germany is a great example, 191 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: highest electrical rates in the country. They shut down all 192 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: their nuclear power plans, they go all green energy, and 193 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: then suddenly there's electric rates skyrocket. And not only do 194 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: the rates skyrocket, but their baseline power becomes broken and 195 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: they can't meet their power demands. And then AI comes along, 196 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: increasing a further need for more power. And the only 197 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: way you can get that baseline power that is steady, 198 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: reliable and always on and always available is with fossil 199 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: fuels or nuclear power. I think that realization has hit him, 200 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: and I think that's why we've kind of reached this 201 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: tipping point that I'm talking about, because the headline of 202 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: him being advocate and now trying to say, well, I 203 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: think it's serious, but it's not an existential threat to humanity. 204 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: That is a tipping point. So how significant is this? 205 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: Only a couple of years ago, I think it would 206 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: have been unthinkable for a major public figure like Bill 207 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: Gates to even question the religion, the orthodoxy, the dogma. 208 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: You will that quote climate change is an existential threat. 209 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: Close quote. That phrase gets repeated by former President Biden, 210 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: formed Vice President Kamala Harris read a Tomberg which he 211 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: mentions Bill gabs and everybody kept using that phrase all 212 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: the time, the samehow climate change is an existential threat. 213 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: Go back to the conversation about words with George Orwell. 214 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: If I tell you that X, I don't take out 215 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: the word climate change, but I tell you that X 216 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: is an existential threat, what does that mean to you? Well, 217 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: an existential threat for me is something that threatens my 218 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: very existence, my very life, my very livelihood, my own 219 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: my ability to live a human life on this planet. 220 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: That is an existential threat. And their claim was that 221 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: climate change isn't existential threat, and that gets repeated over 222 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: and over and over. That is the liturgy that we 223 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: talked about with Orwell. That is the liturgy of the 224 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: church of the climate activists. That's that's one of their 225 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: hymns they sing. Yet now we see all of a 226 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: sudden and I think Bill Gates was a inflection point. 227 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: The reality unfolding around this is forcing a reassessment of 228 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: those dire warnings. Look at the media. This year, not 229 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: one of the major American news networks sent reporters to 230 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: the United Nations Climate Summit Top thirty in Berlin, down 231 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: in Brazil. We talked about that on this program. It 232 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: was in Berlin, which is a city, a major human 233 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: Almost every city in Brazil is a major city. San 234 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: Paulo and Rio, they're all made in. Berlin is one 235 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: of those. But they cut a roadway through the Amazon 236 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: rainforest for to get from an airstrip, build an airstrip, 237 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: and then did for the peap yah who's to fly 238 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: in and then to drive into where the cop thirty 239 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: meetings were taking place. That seems kind of hypocritical to me. 240 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: And they're also holding in a city where raw sewage 241 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: runs out into streets and it is rampant with disease, 242 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: it is rampant with you know, filth and human waste, 243 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: and it's just it's an awful place. And interestingly, this 244 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: is the year that the Cabal didn't send reporters to 245 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: cover that event, and even the print media they're rapidly 246 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: cutting back on climate coverage, which raises a really important question. 247 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: Are we seeing the end of climate summits as the 248 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: annual quote last chance because it's always the last chance. 249 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: It's been the last chance since the first time that 250 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: al Gore said that thirty years ago. Is it the 251 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: last chance to save the planet. Or are we witnessing 252 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: a shift as some have called it, a vie shift. 253 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: If you will to understand this moment, reflect on the 254 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: historical arc that I'm talking about. I always like to 255 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:12,479 Speaker 1: think about historical arcs. In the nineteen sixties, liberalism in America, 256 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: the kind that was epitomized by President John F. Kennedy, 257 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: was actually about growth. Kennedy wanted to cut taxes because 258 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: Kennedy knew that that would spur economic growth. Can you 259 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: imagine a so called liberal saying that today. The slogan 260 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties was a rising tide lifts all boats. Ooh, 261 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: sounds like Ronald Reagan's supplies, like economics, doesn't it? Anesian economics, 262 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: tax cuts all underpinned a belief in abundance. But then 263 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: you got into the late nineteen sixties and then there 264 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: was a new ethic, one marked by limits to growth 265 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: and the specter of resource exhaustion and pollution. We were 266 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: going to destroy the planet. Thomas Malthus returned to the 267 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: scene and glued began to replace optimism. We saw the 268 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: magazine coveters like Newsweeks, running out of everything, question Mark 269 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: and all the headlines proclaiming that humanity's imminent demise unless 270 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: economic growth slowed or stopped. But then you stop, and 271 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: what's human history been a record of of growth and innovation, 272 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: not resource depletion. We haven't had resource depletion. I had 273 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: the current Secretary of Energy, Chris Wright, on my program 274 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: here in Denver on you a couple of years ago, 275 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 1: in which we actually laughed about the whole idea that 276 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: there is peak oil, and he says that the studies 277 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: that they have all done show that there is enough 278 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: oil just in the state of Colorado to go on 279 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: for another six hundred years or so. And then you 280 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: think about all the oil in Venezuela that hasn't been 281 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: exploited the world. Although oil still exists in the Middle 282 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: East and else swear through throughout the country that still exists. 283 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: Things are beginning to change. I'll be right back tonight. 284 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA. 285 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: Director of talk show host Michael Brown. 286 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 3: Brownie, No, Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job 287 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 3: the Weekend with Michael Brown. 288 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: Hey, you're listening to the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad 289 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: to have you with me. Happy Thanksgiving. Everybody, Hope you 290 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: had a great holiday. Everybody get ready for the holidays season. 291 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: How many of you already have your Christmas trees up? Yes, 292 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: my wife actually had hers up before Thanksgiving. So yeap 293 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: worse than Charlie Brown cat text line always open three 294 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: three one zero three three three one zero three. Keyword Michael, 295 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: Michael go follow me on exit Michael Brown USA. We're 296 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: talking about what I believe might be a tipping point 297 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: or an inflection point when it comes to all the 298 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: climate activists, and Bill Gates is my primary example of 299 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: why I think there's been a change. It always takes 300 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: someone in. I don't care whether he liked Bill Gates 301 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: or not. He was a so called influencer them the 302 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: preferred word of the day. He was an influencer because 303 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: primarily because of his money when it came to climate action, 304 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: climate activity, climate change, all of the you know, all 305 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: of the crap that we did about climate, Bill Gates 306 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: was a driver of that. It was back at the 307 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: end of October. It's just been a couple of weeks ago, 308 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: maybe three weeks ago now that he was on CNBC 309 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 1: with this new message calling for a new strategy shift 310 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: ahead of the meeting that went on in Brazil, and 311 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: part of that conversation went like this. 312 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 3: You're a huge supporter of the Paris Climate Accord at 313 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 3: the time, and I wonder now, when you look back, 314 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 3: given that you're changing sort of the metric with which 315 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 3: you used, do you say to yourself that the Paris 316 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: Climate Accord and its goals were misplaced? 317 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: Not at all. That was a key milestone because the 318 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: countries of the world said, hey, this is a mutual 319 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 2: problem that temperaturize. The entire world will experience the temperaturize 320 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: from the emissions from all these countries. So getting countries 321 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: to commit was very, very important. The one thing about 322 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: that accord that turned out not to be realistic was 323 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: the ambitious goal of staying to one point five degrees. 324 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: We won't be able to do that. Even if you 325 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: took all the money away from health, you wouldn't be 326 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 2: able to do that. So now you know the question is, Okay, 327 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: what temperature level are we going to end up at? 328 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 2: Very important to minimize that, but not at the expense 329 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 2: of everything else. 330 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 3: Okay, but in the context of not at the expense 331 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: of everything else. So many businesses, companies, including Microsoft made 332 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: pledges around being zero, trying to get in some cases 333 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 3: negative at zero, I mean going back and paying for 334 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: their carbon production from earlier. Was that a mistake now, 335 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 3: not at all. That's not the message that you're trying. 336 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: To sugg Not at all. 337 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: I mean, why have we. 338 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: Been able to lower the future missions? It's because companies 339 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: like Microsoft and many others focused on this initiative, and 340 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 2: it's very important that those companies help advance these new technologies. 341 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 2: By mean, the early customers for things like nuclear fission, fusion, 342 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: clean cement. 343 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: They're notice that whenever heat in every sound bite that 344 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: I've played, it's been nuclear energy or things like you know, 345 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: clean cement. It hasn't been wind and solar. I think 346 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: you mentioned geothermal once, but none of the really kind 347 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: of titular head of the climate activists wind and solar. 348 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 1: That's not been a part of his conversation whatsoever. So 349 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: I think it's his recognition that the power needs if 350 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: we're going to have growth. Growth advances the overall living 351 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: standard of humanity, both in developed worlds and even in 352 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: undeveloped countries. In third world crabhold countries, growth helps them 353 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: improve their standard of living and I think Bill Gates 354 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: is recognizing that, and he knows that wind and solar 355 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: are not going to do anything to lower the overall 356 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: temperature of the Earth, however we measure that, and it's 357 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: not going to do anything to improve the standard of 358 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: living for anybody anywhere in the world. And again I 359 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: use Germany and you know, the United Kingdom, in France, 360 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: Europe just a great example of how it doesn't work. 361 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: And then you look at you know, countries in Africa 362 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: that are still third world countries and we've done nothing 363 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: to improve their standard of living, and giving them solar 364 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: and wind would not improve them at all. So I 365 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: think he's recognizing that this is something that's not going 366 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: to work, which is why I think it's an inflection point, 367 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: and I think it's an inflection point that we need 368 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: to pay attention to. I was, before the break, we 369 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: were going back in history a little bit, because you 370 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: go back in the sixties and John F. Kennedy really 371 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: did believe in growth, which is why he advocated for 372 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: cutting taxes. He wanted to make certain that people had 373 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: more of their own money to use because that spurred 374 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: economic growth throughout the entire system. And that you know, 375 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: a rising tide lifts all boats. Today, that's that's blasphemy 376 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: to those on the left. And we had, as I said, 377 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, we had you know, the 378 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: Coming ice Age, which turned into the you know, the 379 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: coming you know, we're all going to die of heat, 380 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: and that we were running out of everything. We were 381 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: running out of our capacity to build a manufacture, we 382 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: were running out of space. We had too many people. 383 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: We can never support six billion people, let alone eight 384 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: billion people on this planet. And here we are today 385 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: and we're still growing. History proved that that attitude of 386 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: limitation was wrong because resource depletion did not occur, and 387 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: because of technological advances, pollution control became effective. Although it 388 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: was often costly, bureaucratic, it nevertheless became effective. But then 389 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: even further technological advances then started bringing the price of 390 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: pollution control down to where it became reasonable. And that 391 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: shift had really serious ramifications for liberalism, changing its focus 392 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: from from allocating and redistributing abundance to trying to manage scarcity. 393 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: And then you get the Carter administration, and they became 394 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: emblematic of this contradiction. Energetic government activism but with an 395 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: overriding sense of rationing and limits rather than opportunity and expansion. 396 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: Carter having the stupid little fireside chats in his sweater 397 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: telling everybody to turn down the thermostep so we could all, 398 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: you know, conserve energy. We had, you know, the the 399 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: gas lines and everybody, you know, oh, let's reduce the 400 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: speed limits to fifty five to conserve gas. It was 401 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: all about limitation as opposed to growth and expansion, opportunity 402 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: and expansion. And then you fast forward to recent years, 403 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: his stupid ambition to reach zero emissions by twenty fifty 404 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: is being quietly yet consistently walked back buried, not only 405 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: in practice, but increasingly in public discourse. He noticed that 406 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: Bill Gates didn't specifically talk about net zero emissions by 407 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: twenty fifty. But hey, we you know, we were able 408 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: to reduce emissions a little bit and that's great, but 409 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: we really need to focus on human welfare. Wow, what 410 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: a change. I think. The reality bit him. In the 411 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: butt states with strict renewable energy mandates like Colorado, if 412 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: you go to UC Berkeley's Lawrence Laboratory, experience the highest 413 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: electricity rate increases, while those relying on market driven energy 414 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: choices actually see lower rates. There's some case studies. New 415 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: York and New Jersey have both recently approved new natural 416 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: gas pipelines after blocking them for years. You know what, 417 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: locals in New York said, we need to govern in reality. 418 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: I want to say to Hochel, welcome to my world, 419 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: because ideal in reality, not in these pipe dreams, not 420 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: in these wet dreams of wind and solars going to 421 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: save the planet. In California, despite all the daily climate rhetoric, 422 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: Governor Newsom quietly approved drilling permits for twelve hundred new 423 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: els and even the Trump Administration's proposal for offshore drilling. 424 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: I haven't seen mass protests along the coast. 425 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 2: Oh. 426 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: I've heard rumblings and I've heard complaints about it, and 427 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure they can actually get it done because 428 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: of some existing rules and regulations, but maybe Congress will 429 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: change those. It just gives Gavin Newsom something to campaign on. 430 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: It's the weekend with Michael Brown number text line three 431 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: three one zero three, keyword Mike or Michael, be sure 432 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: and subs you know, go to X follow me on 433 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: X at Michael Brown USA. Some final thoughts on exactly 434 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: why I think that we're reaching a tipping point when 435 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: it comes to climate change and climate activity. Hey, it's 436 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: the weekend with Michael Brown, weekend of Thanksgiving twenty twenty five. 437 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning into the program. I'm glad that you're here. 438 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: I really do appreciate the audience. And I know it's 439 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: Saturday and many of you are probably out doing other things. 440 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: Your shop, you're already Christmas shopping, right, Survive Black Friday. 441 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: I didn't do anything on Black Friday, try to avoid 442 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: it at all costs. But it seems like this year, 443 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: the number of emails that I got advocating for something 444 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: you early Black Friday early. I think Black Friday actually 445 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: started about a week ago from me. In terms of 446 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: people trying to sell me stuff online all the time. 447 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: It was just out of control. So hope you didn't overspend. 448 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: Hope you got what you whatever you were trying to get, 449 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: and I hope you didn't get you know, malled by 450 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: some you know mall wrap somewhere trying to get into 451 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: the mall to buy stuff. Quit buying stuff. Speaking is 452 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: scarcity in abundance? Quit buying stuff. Yeah, that's what we 453 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: need to do. So we're talking about this inflection point, 454 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: this change in in climate activism and how I think 455 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: build Gates and you know, he didn't go to COP thirty. 456 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: A lot of countries didn't go to COP thirty. And 457 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: this year a lot of the media didn't cover COP thirty. 458 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: The usual you know, where the IPCC meets and all 459 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: these countries get together and they have all these panel 460 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: discussions how they're going to save the planet from ourselves. 461 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: And you know, we got to stop doing this and 462 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: stop eating meat. We need fake meat, we need fake everything, 463 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: and wind and sol we're going to say no, Nope. 464 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: And Bill Gates is out there talking about nuclear energy, 465 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: which I love. I say, get it going as quickly 466 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: as you can. I'm getting I give you a couple 467 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: of examples of how the reality really bites the left 468 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: hard when it comes to climate change. New York and 469 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: New Jersey, California are great examples. In Colorado, suddenly there's 470 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: a desire because they're in a process of shutting down 471 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: some of the fossil fuel plants. There's now discussion among 472 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: liberal Democrats in Colorado that perhaps we need to look 473 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: at that timeline and change that, because if we're going 474 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: to attract new businesses, artificial intelligence and data centers, et cetera. 475 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: Then our electric provider, Excel does not have the current capacity, 476 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: particularly if we keep going down this timeline of eliminating 477 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: some of the fossil fuel power plants colon natural gas. 478 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: So suddenly it's like, oh, put the skids on time out. 479 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: Let's look closely. But it's not just micro, it's also 480 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: macro Globally, the International Energy Agency the IEA, which had 481 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: forecasted that oil consumption would soon peak, is now projecting 482 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: that the use of oil, gas and coal will continue 483 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: to grow through twenty fifty. Meanwhile, over at the United Nations, 484 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: their Inner Governmental Panel on Climate Change at ipcc I 485 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: mentioned they've now softened some of their most catastrophic predictions. 486 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: What does this mean for the climate movement itself? Many 487 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: environmental advocacy groups are diminishing, shrinking rather than expanding. Julisierra 488 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: Club has lost members, laid off staff as it's now deciding, Oh, 489 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: I think we'll pivot toward social justice. Bill mckibbons three 490 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: fifty dot org. They've suspended operations amid declining support. So 491 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: is this just a momentary lull or is this actually 492 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: some sort of indication that the patient is terminal, is 493 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: it actually de I want you to think about a 494 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: few things. If climate alarmism is fading, what happens next 495 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: for environmental policy, because that obviously something will have to discuss. 496 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: I consider myself an environmentalist. I want clean air, clean water. 497 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: I want to be able to, you know, hike nice trails. 498 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: I don't want the mountains littered. But neither do I 499 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: or I do question how clean is clean? Because as 500 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: long as mankind and animals exist on the planet, there's 501 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: going to be pollution. So to what degree is clean clean? 502 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: Then think about how do we reconcile the desire for 503 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,239 Speaker 1: you know, being good stewards or the environment with the 504 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: necessity of economic and technological growth. Those will always those 505 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: are preenty questions that we always need to deal with. 506 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: But I think what we've been doing in the past 507 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: is we've been answering those questions by simply assuming that 508 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: if we have to reconcile environmental stewardship with economic and 509 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: technological growth, then we'll just focus solely on environmental stewardship 510 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 1: and we'll just shut down economic and technological growth. And 511 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: I think we're now recognizing it. No actually we can 512 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: and should do both, but neither one, and in particular, 513 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: environmental stewardship should not be to the detriment of our 514 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: our technological growth and our standard of living. Now that 515 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that I want to live in, you know, 516 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: a craphole place like Bilin in Brazil or some third 517 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: world country craphole country in Africa, But it does mean 518 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: that I think we should take care of the environment. 519 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: How clean is clean? As I say, think about, is 520 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: the abundance liberalism described by many younger people today truly new? 521 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: Or is that is simply a return to the growth 522 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: minded optimism of say the Kennedy years. Kennedy was you 523 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: know you think about the family and Hygenna support Cape 524 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: Cod all of that. They were actually environmentalists. My old boss, 525 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: George Bush an environmentalist. You know, the ranch in Crawford 526 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: is one of the most environmentally sound places on the planet. 527 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: Yet he's an oil and gas man. Have you watched 528 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: land Man, the Taylor Sheridan series. It's got excellent lines 529 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: in the In the last one that we wash we 530 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: have not completely caught up. There was a discussion about, oh, 531 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,479 Speaker 1: the price of oil is dropped by a certain amount 532 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: and he's talking to the radio as he's driving down 533 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: the road and he says something to the effect, Yes, 534 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: but when the price of oil goes down, that means 535 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: the price of gas goes down. And when the price 536 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: of gas goes down, that puts more money in your 537 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: pocket that you can spend on other things. And then 538 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: when the price of diesel goes down, that means that 539 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: the cost of producing the livering, manufacturing and delivering the 540 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: goods and services that you buy, those costs go down. 541 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: And so yes, even the production costs of producing a 542 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: barrel of oil, those costs go down also. But that 543 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: means there's more money to spend on other things, which 544 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: means there is growth. It's just a cycle that continues 545 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: on and on and on. So it's amazing to me 546 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: to think that we're actually going back to the idea 547 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: of abundant liberalism. And if young people are driving that, 548 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: then power to you. And if that's a return of 549 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: the old liberal type of liberals like John F. Kennedy 550 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: who wants to cut taxes to spur growth, then bring 551 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: it on, baby, bring it on. Then can we create 552 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: a political environment it's not dominated by these apocalyptic predictions 553 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: or at the same time that completely disregards the environment. 554 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: I think we can. I think we've proven already that 555 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: we've done that, because today the air is cleaner, the 556 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: water is cleaner, and yet we consume more oil and gas, 557 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: more fossil fuels than ever and there's no end in 558 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: sight because we've allowed technology and growth to innovate and 559 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: to come up with new ways of doing things. And 560 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: that's what that's what a free market economy is like, 561 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: that's what this country is about. And then if you 562 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: think back to everything I just described, it's all in 563 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 1: a cycle, and maybe the ghosts of all these environmentalists 564 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: can finally just lay down and rest because we as 565 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: a society ought to move toward a balanced approach where 566 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: we develop our resources, we actually engage in technological innovation, 567 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: and at the same time we're good stewards of the environment. 568 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: There's no reason why that can't go hand in hand. 569 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: I think it should go hand in hand, and I 570 00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: think it will. One final comment on Thanksgiving weekend, it's 571 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: I know people spend time with family. I'm always troubled 572 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: by this. I'm glad we have Thanksgiving. It's one of 573 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: my favorite It's not my favorite holiday. But let's take 574 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: the same attitude that we have during Thanksgiving and let's 575 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: extend that throughout twelve months of the year. How about that? 576 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: How about that kind of a challenge. Everybody, have a 577 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: great weekend. Glad you joined me. I'll see you next weekend.