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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it at seven h seven.
Speaker 3: Seven hundred WLW Welcome in RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented
Speaker 3: by Kelsey Chevrolet. Two hours to get it done tonight, man,
Speaker 3: do we have some grind to cover. We have a
Speaker 3: developing situation with the Reds. Let me give you the
Speaker 3: cliff Notes version on that. Sea Trent is reporting the
Speaker 3: Reds in Emilio. Pagan have reached terms agreement on a
Speaker 3: two year contract. Details to follow. My first guest is
Speaker 3: a Cincinnati kid. You might remember him as a sports
Speaker 3: anchor and reporter for Channel five from twenty eighteen to
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. After battling depression and suicidal thoughts, he
Speaker 3: checked himself into a mental health hospital, began treatment, found
Speaker 3: a new purpose, left TV, became a mental health advocate
Speaker 3: host of the Mental Game podcast. You might remember he
Speaker 3: joined me in studio back in twenty twenty two. What
Speaker 3: a journey since. What an incredible latest chapter We're going
Speaker 3: to get to in a second, But what a pleasure
Speaker 3: to welcome back Brandon.
Speaker 2: Sayo, how are you?
Speaker 4: I'm good land man. I look back to that moment
Speaker 4: in the studio. I think we had like maybe ten
Speaker 4: or fifteen minutes carved out. We ended up doing an
Speaker 4: hour together. And now I'll be forever grateful for you
Speaker 4: letting me share my story that way on the radio,
Speaker 4: because it was the first time that I really told
Speaker 4: a lot of those stories of my mental health struggle.
Speaker 4: So thanks man. I love it, and I'm excited to
Speaker 4: be back.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm so proud of what you are doing and
Speaker 3: so excited about what you're doing. And that night I
Speaker 3: get goosebumps and my hair stands up on my arms
Speaker 3: just remembering the things we discussed that night.
Speaker 5: Let's do this.
Speaker 3: Before we get to the incredible news, a little bit
Speaker 3: of backtracking. It's set up for those who may not
Speaker 3: be aware of what all is going on. Tell listeners
Speaker 3: what your mission is with the Mental Game podcast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean I struggled from fourteen years old
Speaker 4: on as a freshman at Lasal with suicidal thoughts all
Speaker 4: the way through college and even when I got my
Speaker 4: dream job working at WLWT and getting to do the
Speaker 4: sports with George and Elise and the crew at Channel
Speaker 4: five and covering the Bengal is going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: No one really knew that behind the scenes, I was
Speaker 4: battling suicide every second, every day for those three months
Speaker 4: leading up to that Super Bowl we run. I had
Speaker 4: three family members passed away, including my cousin Ben, who's
Speaker 4: based on my older brother. He had a heart attack
Speaker 4: at thirty one. I dealt with all this pressure on me,
Speaker 4: obviously at work, which I loved, but it's a lot.
Speaker 4: And then I always felt alone and wanted to have
Speaker 4: that picture perfect you know, high school sweetheart, marriage and
Speaker 4: family and kids like we do here in Cincinnati. And
Speaker 4: I thought I finally found that person with that relationship,
Speaker 4: with going through a really tough moment and break up
Speaker 4: and toxic relationship, and so I get the rock bottom. Man,
Speaker 4: we're at twenty eight. I had to go to my
Speaker 4: mom for the first time ever. He's the first person
Speaker 4: I ever told like, I don't want to live anymore.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to live and I need help.
Speaker 4: And that is the first time I asked for help.
Speaker 4: And I checked into a hospital at the Lenders Center
Speaker 4: Hope and Mason. That helped save my life the next day,
Speaker 4: And that was the first step, man. But it's been
Speaker 4: a long, long journey since that day. In twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: And your Mental Game podcast is just blowing up and
Speaker 3: you it seems if I had a map in front
Speaker 3: of me. You are traversing the country talking with with
Speaker 3: athletes and celebrities and they are opening up to you.
Speaker 2: And I'm struck by how.
Speaker 3: Comfortable you make them in very uncomfortable conversations. They're opening
Speaker 3: up to you about stuff like this. Give listeners an
Speaker 3: idea of some of the people you've talked to over
Speaker 3: the course of the last few years.
Speaker 4: Well, I have to give Sam Hubbard credit. That guy
Speaker 4: is a good friend of mine. Obviously a chance to
Speaker 4: cover him with the Bengals and I was at Channel five,
Speaker 4: but I texted him I had the idea, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: I got this idea to talk with athletes about mental health.
Speaker 4: Can I try it with you? And he invited me
Speaker 4: over to his house on an off day. I ended
Speaker 4: up becoming the first ever episode, and without Sam it
Speaker 4: wouldn't happen. But man, it's been crazy. I mean it
Speaker 4: started with Sam, Ricky Williams, one of my first guests,
Speaker 4: Jake Frailey with the Reds when he was still in town.
Speaker 4: But it's grown now where you know, I moved to
Speaker 4: LA almost two years ago. Now I drove my car
Speaker 4: out there, which is a long trick. But you know,
Speaker 4: I've been able to sit down with people like Harry
Speaker 4: Crews and it was the first time that he ever
Speaker 4: opened up about being suicidal, and he chose to do
Speaker 4: it with me because he felt comfortable with my vulnerability
Speaker 4: in my story. And so they get to sit down
Speaker 4: with some of these big time people in sports, whether
Speaker 4: it's Adam Schefter, Will Wade, Ted Carrett, you know, Ryan
Speaker 4: shay Z or Nate Burlison, these people that you think
Speaker 4: have nothing wrong, and they're rich and they're strong, and
Speaker 4: they're playing in the NFL, they're on TV. Guess what
Speaker 4: we all struggle, We all go through stuff. And so
Speaker 4: I love what I've been able to do with the
Speaker 4: pod and it's not something I ever dreamed of, but
Speaker 4: it's become my true purpose. And really that purpose is
Speaker 4: the in person stuff I get to do when I'm
Speaker 4: in schools or I'm at businesses, or I'm at LSU
Speaker 4: with Joe Burrow's parents, talking to thousands of people about
Speaker 4: mental health. Maybe for the first time they're talking about
Speaker 4: it because it's sports related. That's the whole goal.
Speaker 3: Man, your newest chapter is pretty dang incredible, and you
Speaker 3: are the subject of the interview. Explain what happened yesterday
Speaker 3: and who you talked to and who talked to you.
Speaker 4: I can't believe every time I stay this sentence, because
Speaker 4: it's been a seekert I've had to keep for about
Speaker 4: three weeks. But I sat down with Oprah Winfrey, which
Speaker 4: is insane to say out loud, and I got to
Speaker 4: share my story with her. You know, I had. I
Speaker 4: had this video that went viral about three weeks ago
Speaker 4: where I talked about nothing's for it related not really
Speaker 4: mental health, but my fear of never being a father
Speaker 4: or a husband one day and I did not know
Speaker 4: that video would change my life and get to Oprah
Speaker 4: and her want to talk to me about it. It
Speaker 4: was incredible to see the outpouring of messages from men
Speaker 4: and women. But lance I'm talking about like I went
Speaker 4: to bed on a Friday night posted just not thinking anything,
Speaker 4: not putting a ton of effort into it, and I
Speaker 4: woke up and had millions of views. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: got like fifteen million across three or four platforms. Now,
Speaker 4: I've heard from people all over the world. And one
Speaker 4: of those people was her producer. And I'm sitting at
Speaker 4: the Roses with my mom, like I'm in town for
Speaker 4: twenty four hours. I was speaking out Mountain ut her name,
Speaker 4: and I go to the Roses in Blue Ash with
Speaker 4: my mom and I'm like, Mom, I just got an
Speaker 4: email about Oprah, Like I don't know what this is,
Speaker 4: and so I called the guy and it's legit and
Speaker 4: long story short, Yeah, I was able to sit down
Speaker 4: with her. She had this amazing episode with Scott Galloway.
Speaker 4: It's kind of the feature GATSI, the Great men's mental
Speaker 4: health coach and author and professor at NYU, but the
Speaker 4: whole episode was about male loneliness and so for about
Speaker 4: eight to ten minutes they featured my story and I
Speaker 4: got to have that conversation with Oprah and the audience,
Speaker 4: and man, it was. It was special and it was
Speaker 4: really hard to hold on to until yesterday. But when
Speaker 4: you're with one of the all time greats when it
Speaker 4: comes to TV and entertainment and just I mean lance,
Speaker 4: she's one of the top ten living people. Yeah, Like
Speaker 4: it's insane to say that, but it was really powerful. Man.
Speaker 4: There's some cool moments that I'll share here in a
Speaker 4: sec but just to get the chance to sit with
Speaker 4: her and have that conversation on a stage like that.
Speaker 4: I mean my phone that I put it out yesterday.
Speaker 4: It was pretty wild. I haven't stopped.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: So you said it's about eight to ten minutes. Where
Speaker 3: where did it take place? And how can listeners? You
Speaker 3: would watch it right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So she shot in New York. That's where we
Speaker 4: sho She shoots these group ones kind of with a
Speaker 4: fifty person audience. It kind of feels like her old show,
Speaker 4: but in a podcast form. And so yeah, out on
Speaker 4: the Open again. This sounds so weird to say out
Speaker 4: loud because I'm just a normal dude, But you can
Speaker 4: find me talking with Oprah on the Open podcast on
Speaker 4: iHeartRadio and all of your podcast platforms, and uh yeah,
Speaker 4: it was just really special, man. I think what was
Speaker 4: really cool She plays that video and I actually just
Speaker 4: put this on Instagram right before you know, I hopped
Speaker 4: on with you and she plays the video on Oprah
Speaker 4: and I like kind of tear up together and she
Speaker 4: pats her heart at me and it was just like
Speaker 4: this moment of man, Oprah's talking about my story and
Speaker 4: I'm on this platform, and it's like I had this
Speaker 4: moment afterwards and it's a it's we talk about my
Speaker 4: dating life, my mental health journey, what I do with
Speaker 4: the mental game, you know, this vulnerability piece that I
Speaker 4: think so many men are afraid to having because we're
Speaker 4: told we're weak if we're emotional. This BS that isn't true.
Speaker 4: But we were fed our entire life. But after the
Speaker 4: interview gets done, Lance, I walk backstage with Oprah and
Speaker 4: I'm sitting there and we're having a conversation, we take pictures,
Speaker 4: we hug, and all of a sudden, I just like
Speaker 4: hear this other person start running towards us and they're going,
Speaker 4: I love this brandy guy. I got to meet him
Speaker 4: and it's Gail King, and I'm like, what is my
Speaker 4: life right now? Where I'm sitting backstage and I'm like
Speaker 4: the sandwich of an Oprah. Gail and me hug. It
Speaker 4: was like the coolest thing ever. And at that point,
Speaker 4: Oprah's you know team, they saw that, like Gail and
Speaker 4: Oprah trusted me enough where it was just us for
Speaker 4: like five minutes, and I got to have that moment
Speaker 4: in my head where during that five minutes of us
Speaker 4: talking and just telling each other's story and connecting adopta
Speaker 4: who we obviously they know everyone, but like I have
Speaker 4: connection with Nate on my show and CBS Morning. But
Speaker 4: I had like ten seconds in my head man that
Speaker 4: I went, you are literally standing with Oprah and Gail
Speaker 4: King in New York City getting to do what you
Speaker 4: dreamed of. Like this is what all those nights walking
Speaker 4: on the road, Lank thinking about taking your life, going
Speaker 4: to therapy, starting this thing, quitting your job, driving uber,
Speaker 4: having no money, getting sober, like all this stuff. Man,
Speaker 4: it was worth it in like that ten seconds. I
Speaker 4: you talked to like people like Burrow or these athletes
Speaker 4: and they're like, not just another game, they don't really
Speaker 4: have time to soak it all in. I made sure that,
Speaker 4: like I soaked that in for at least ten seconds
Speaker 4: of that time because it was a special dude, man oh.
Speaker 3: Man, And it kind of paint the picture of what
Speaker 3: you can. You do a lot of traveling. In fact,
Speaker 3: I think you're going to be in if I have
Speaker 3: your itinerary or right, are you going to be an
Speaker 3: Indian Saturday as part of an event around the IU
Speaker 3: Loisville basketball game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the care Source Invitational I've got really lucky
Speaker 4: where we've been out a partner, the Mental Game and
Speaker 4: Care Source, thanks to the University of DAT and the
Speaker 4: coach Grant you know, you know his story where they
Speaker 4: lost their daughter Data and they started Javelite to raise
Speaker 4: awareness for mental health and funds to help people in
Speaker 4: the community. And started with one game with Dayton three
Speaker 4: years ago and a town hall at ud and now
Speaker 4: it's turned into this cross country tour. We have three
Speaker 4: or four games each year. This one in India is huge,
Speaker 4: man one. It's on the day of the Big Ten
Speaker 4: title game with IU who's playing of course Ohio State,
Speaker 4: but we're on national TV on CBS. It's a huge
Speaker 4: game and it's all about mental health. Obviously they want
Speaker 4: to win on the court, but it's a mental health
Speaker 4: awareness game. So what's really cool is the day before
Speaker 4: so on Friday, both coaches and both teams will join
Speaker 4: us at a local high school and we'll surprise the
Speaker 4: kids and we have this big pep rally. I do
Speaker 4: my fifteen minute keynote, really interactive, getting the celebrities that
Speaker 4: I know involved, with teams involved, and then they do
Speaker 4: drills with the players and coaches that get to interact.
Speaker 4: It's a special, special thing that you see Ohio State Dager,
Speaker 4: our old buddy coach cal and Arkansas has done it
Speaker 4: with a couple of years too. It's been really special, man.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm going there. I'm in Dayton tomorrow and
Speaker 4: then I'm in Indy this weekend and back to LA.
Speaker 4: Before I'm obviously I was in Texas and South Dakota
Speaker 4: and month. It's it's insane. We got forty six states down, four.
Speaker 2: To go, Brandon.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine that the power of the connection you're
Speaker 3: making when when you take this message to schools or businesses.
Speaker 3: There are two events and and I watched the crowds
Speaker 3: you're talking to, and there's probably moments where you make
Speaker 3: eye contact with somebody who may be tearing up, and
Speaker 3: and just the connection and the help you're offering them
Speaker 3: when you put your head on the pillow at night,
Speaker 3: it's just got to make you feel so good.
Speaker 2: The how you're impacting lives.
Speaker 4: It is pretty crazy, man. It's like being on Oprah
Speaker 4: is awesome. Getting to meet some of the people and
Speaker 4: live in LA and rough shoulders with who I'm rubbing
Speaker 4: shoulders with now is life changing. But the real life
Speaker 4: changing and life stating and stuff. Is what I get
Speaker 4: to do when I'm at my alma mater at the
Speaker 4: South and I get I get to talk to those
Speaker 4: kids that were you know that I've been in their shoes.
Speaker 4: Or I get to be at UC, or I get
Speaker 4: to be at UD and with these businesses. Hey, dude,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter if it's ten people in a high
Speaker 4: school classroom or ten thousand in a basketball arena this weekend.
Speaker 4: Every time I stay after and talk and meet with
Speaker 4: people one on one as long as I possibly can,
Speaker 4: and every time, at least one usually more come up
Speaker 4: and say, hey, man, I never told anyone this, but
Speaker 4: I'm suicidal right now. I need help. I don't know
Speaker 4: what to do. Can you help me? And it breaks
Speaker 4: my heart, but it also warms my heart because it
Speaker 4: gives me that confidence that we're doing the right thing.
Speaker 4: We're creating a safe space, and we always have resources
Speaker 4: with us so we can help them in those moments.
Speaker 4: And man, I'm not saying this is like a look
Speaker 4: at me thing, but we've been to forty six states.
Speaker 4: We touched them on two hundred and fifty thousand lives
Speaker 4: in person last year and a half and man, my
Speaker 4: goal is to finish off fifty and then I don't know.
Speaker 4: I got open on myself. Now let's go International's Australia
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable, Oh incredible. For those listening who want to check
Speaker 3: out the Mental Game podcast who want to maybe connect
Speaker 3: with you about bringing your message to where they are,
Speaker 3: tell them all the information they need how they can
Speaker 3: seek you out and check out your stuff of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go to the Mental Dot Game. The Mental Dot Game,
Speaker 4: you can see where I'm going to be at, but
Speaker 4: you can also hit us up and email our team.
Speaker 4: I love to come the high schools, middle schools, businesses.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. Man, talking to people our age
Speaker 4: that maybe don't talk about mental health ever and breaking
Speaker 4: that that stigma with them is really really special. You
Speaker 4: can see where I'm going to be at. I love
Speaker 4: to meet up with people, make content videos and just
Speaker 4: be able to have conversations. And it's funny that obviously
Speaker 4: I'm in Cincinnati. I was at your studio twice today
Speaker 4: due to separate times, but I'm two hours late to
Speaker 4: the family party that I had to celebrate Oprah, So
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hang up and go party with the West
Speaker 4: for a little bit to night. But I love you, man, I.
Speaker 3: Love you too, and I'm so happy for you and
Speaker 3: so proud of what you're doing. And just keep it
Speaker 3: rolling and definitely keep in touch and keep doing what
Speaker 3: you're doing and making the impact you're making.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it, man, and thank you for letting me
Speaker 4: do that with you so many times on this platform.
Speaker 4: I know we're going to help a lot of people.
Speaker 6: Man in the.
Speaker 3: Tripty sounds good. Thanks Brandon, awesome, thank you, there you go, Brandon, Sayo,
Speaker 3: what an incredible story. I will never forget the night
Speaker 3: he was in studio back in twenty twenty two talking
Speaker 3: about what he was going to what he was facing
Speaker 3: in his life at that point, and the decision to
Speaker 3: turn to the Mental Game podcast and create that and
Speaker 3: try to reach out and connect and have the impact
Speaker 3: he's having unbelievable and Oprah of all conversations with her
Speaker 3: yesterday really really cool. All right, there are developing situations
Speaker 3: on multiple fronts. I've got headlines to get to, got
Speaker 3: some Red's news to get to. Bill Rebinowitz is going
Speaker 3: to join up covering the Ohio State Buckeyes. Chris Welsh
Speaker 3: will join US Talk, a little Reds and more as
Speaker 3: we continue with RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey
Speaker 3: Chevrolet seven hundred wwright, let me give you the short,
Speaker 3: quick condensed version of the headlines. According to the Athletic
Speaker 3: and C Trent Rosecrans, the Reds have reached an agreement
Speaker 3: with Emilio Pagan for him to return his Reds closer
Speaker 3: two years at twenty million dollars in option after year
Speaker 3: one his option after year one. More on that in
Speaker 3: a bit. Former Bengals quarterback Ken Anderson among five finalists
Speaker 3: named the individuals named finalists for the Pro Football Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame class of twenty twenty six. Former Bengals offensive
Speaker 3: lineman Willie Anderson was already a finalist in the Modern
Speaker 3: Era category. Each finalist now awaits an eighty percent approval
Speaker 3: vote from the full selection committee ahead of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: College football, University of South Florida USF is hiring Ohio
Speaker 3: State offensive coordinator Brian Hartline Cyclones forward Ryan Kerwin is
Speaker 3: the ECHL Rookie of the Month man he tore it
Speaker 3: up in November. Signing Day today for college football, u
Speaker 3: SE signs a class of twenty two, including seven from Ohio.
Speaker 3: One from Cincinnati taf linebacker Adam Kurty Moehler, quarterback Met
Speaker 3: Ponitowski signs with Kentucky. Chris Henry, the son of the
Speaker 3: former Bengals wide receiver, was to sign with Ohio State
Speaker 3: today but is now considering Ohio State, Oregon, and USC
Speaker 3: after Brian Hartline, the offensive coordinator Ohio State and his
Speaker 3: position coach at Ohio State, has left to take the
Speaker 3: USF job. That's the shortened version of what you need
Speaker 3: to know today. Speaking of Ohio State, Bill Rabinowitz is
Speaker 3: on the beat covering the Buckeyes, who played for the
Speaker 3: Big Ten championship on Saturday. He's also written an outstanding
Speaker 3: book about last year's title run to the national championship
Speaker 3: for the Buckeyes.
Speaker 2: He's going to join me after news.
Speaker 3: Chris Welsh perfectly time TOI and joins me at eight
Speaker 3: oh five. I'll ask him about the Emilio Pegan news
Speaker 3: and so much more ahead on RNL Carrier Sports Talk
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Speaker 3: RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm Lance Bercallister.
Speaker 3: I'm very excited to welcome on our next guest. I
Speaker 3: can't imagine how busy he is this week, and so
Speaker 3: kind of him to take out time tonight.
Speaker 2: Let's talk buck Eyes.
Speaker 3: It's Ohio State in Indiana for the Big Ten Championships
Speaker 3: Saturday night in Indy. My next guest covers the buck
Speaker 3: Eyes covered him for fourteen years with the Columbus Dispatch.
Speaker 3: These Days on Substack, author of fabulous books on Ohio
Speaker 3: State football, Buckeye Rebirth about the undefeated twenty twelve team,
Speaker 3: The Chase after their twenty fourteen National championship season, the
Speaker 3: newest one on last season's title, Buckeye Brotherhood is a
Speaker 3: must read for moron all of that. Let's welcome in
Speaker 3: Bill Rabinowitz. How are you.
Speaker 6: Good, l Ance. Thanks for a very kind introduction.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, you got it.
Speaker 3: It is so great to catch up with you and
Speaker 3: so happy for all that you have going on. The
Speaker 3: book is fabulous. Let me start from this point. What
Speaker 3: a difference in vibe and narrative around this program and
Speaker 3: around Ryan Day compared to a year ago at this
Speaker 3: time after losing to Michigan.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, in fact, it was a day.
Speaker 5: It was the Tuesday after the Michigan game last year,
Speaker 5: that they had this now famous team meeting with Ryan Day,
Speaker 5: just Ryan Day and the players, and they went at
Speaker 5: it in a healthy way, but a very brutally honest
Speaker 5: way about what had gone wrong against Michigan, what they
Speaker 5: needed to correct before the playoffs. That really ended up
Speaker 5: being a cathartic meeting, and we all know what happened
Speaker 5: after that.
Speaker 6: But they entered the room.
Speaker 5: That day a very very demorrowized team and they left
Speaker 5: it a really inspired team.
Speaker 2: Bill was that book Buckeye Brotherhood?
Speaker 3: Was the book in the works from the start of
Speaker 3: the season, or did the season rise to the level
Speaker 3: of writing a book.
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, I did not plan to write another book. It'sact
Speaker 5: all of them have been kind of accidental.
Speaker 6: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I never intended to be an author. And then twenty
Speaker 5: twelve happened. I said, okay, fine, I'll do that and
Speaker 5: that'll be my one and only. And then twenty fourteen,
Speaker 5: which was even crazier, it happened, Oh I got to
Speaker 5: write this one, and then I thought, okay, I'm done,
Speaker 5: and then last year happened. So no, I did not
Speaker 5: plan on doing it. It wasn't like I was like
Speaker 5: a squirrel hiding away little nuts and doing that kind
Speaker 5: of stuff. But I did like fifty plus interviews with
Speaker 5: all the key people and really pieced it together from
Speaker 5: the inside out as best I could.
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about this team right now, the
Speaker 3: present day team. And this may be a dumb question
Speaker 3: or word question, but they've beaten Michigan. They're in the
Speaker 3: playoff field. How important? How big is Saturday in the
Speaker 3: grand scheme of things.
Speaker 5: No, it's a great question because on one hand, you
Speaker 5: have one versus two, right, normally that'd be like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, it's one versus two, But it really doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: And the grand scheme of things, Yes, they want to
Speaker 5: win a big Tens. They haven't done it five years.
Speaker 5: They haven't been to Indianapolis in five years, so I
Speaker 5: definitely want to win it. But they're going to get
Speaker 5: a buye in the playoff no matter what happens. In
Speaker 5: the same with Indiana. There the only two underfeated teams.
Speaker 5: They're not going to drop below four for sure the loser.
Speaker 5: And so it's it's a game for pride, but it's
Speaker 5: not going to be I mean not the game gets
Speaker 5: Michigan is the one they needed to win because they
Speaker 5: lost four straight and that was the one that just
Speaker 5: that was the must win. This is not a must win.
Speaker 5: They want to win it. It'll be nice to win it,
Speaker 5: but it's you know, I won't say it will be forgotten,
Speaker 5: but in the scheme of things, you know, Michigan's important
Speaker 5: in the playoffs, is really important, and this will be
Speaker 5: kind of the one in the middle. But again it's
Speaker 5: one versus two, so it's a pretty cool game.
Speaker 3: There are some moving parts obviously. Today Brian Hartline, the
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator wide receivers coaches, has taken the USF head
Speaker 3: coaching job. What's your reaction to that news today?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was I was surprised, but not surprised. I
Speaker 5: think we all knew that Brian Hartline, given the success
Speaker 5: he had as the wide receivers coach and now the
Speaker 5: offensive quitter coordinator, was going to be moving on. I mean,
Speaker 5: he had earned it, and so I think that's a
Speaker 5: really good job for him. You know, people start talking
Speaker 5: about ten State. I thought, I'm not sure that he's
Speaker 5: quite ready for that. That pressure cooker. He could go
Speaker 5: down to Tampa. That was funny that South Florida, right
Speaker 5: at is in Tampa, which is not in southern Florida,
Speaker 5: you know, the.
Speaker 6: West side of Florida. But anyway, you know, it's a
Speaker 6: good program.
Speaker 5: They're building a new stadium. I think he'll be successful there.
Speaker 5: Then from there he can make whatever jump he wants. Probably,
Speaker 5: but you know, it's impossible to keep a guy like
Speaker 5: that around for too long unless he wants to stay.
Speaker 5: But he played pro football with the Dolphins, so he's
Speaker 5: familiar with Florida.
Speaker 6: I think he'll do a good job down there.
Speaker 3: For those who maybe aren't up on the latest news,
Speaker 3: it appears one of the dominoes that has fallen from
Speaker 3: that is that Chris Henry Junior, one of the top
Speaker 3: maybe the top wide receiver in the country, had originally
Speaker 3: said he would sign with Ohio State. He now appears
Speaker 3: to be his name in play with multiple schools at
Speaker 3: this moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I don't blame them. I tweeted this earlier today.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you have that kind of news on
Speaker 5: the day that you are supposed to sign, why wouldn't you,
Speaker 5: you know, take as much time as you can and
Speaker 5: figure out, Okay, this is still the school for me.
Speaker 5: And I asked Ryan Day about he can't talk about
Speaker 5: players specifically who haven't signed, but his point was essentially,
Speaker 5: Ohio State is Ohio State. We're going to get somebody good.
Speaker 5: It's the culture here is strong. I'm sure that's the
Speaker 5: pitch to Chris Henry. But in this nil era, you know,
Speaker 5: who knows how much money we'll talk and Ohio States
Speaker 5: general philosophy is to pay the top guys, and he
Speaker 5: is a top guy. But you know they want guys
Speaker 5: to earn it before they get the big Nio bucks,
Speaker 5: and so it'll be very fascinating to see how that develops. Obviously,
Speaker 5: Ohio State is still a wide receiver you and they're
Speaker 5: going to get a good wide receiver Seach. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, Mark Pantoni, the general manager of Ohio State,
Speaker 5: said probably fifty guys and already sent their resumes to
Speaker 5: Ryan Day.
Speaker 6: So he's going to have the pick of the litter.
Speaker 5: And but I under you know, it's all of a
Speaker 5: sudden he doesn't have the guy there, and so it
Speaker 5: makes sense for him to at least take another look
Speaker 5: at it.
Speaker 3: On the other side of the ball, with the defense,
Speaker 3: if you look at this stat sheet and you see
Speaker 3: ninety three points allowed in twelve games. It almost looks
Speaker 3: like a misprint, and you said, well, that can't possibly
Speaker 3: be right, but it is. Describe the impact the defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator Matt Patricia has had in his first season on
Speaker 3: this team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean ninety three points. It's like two Bengal games.
Speaker 2: But well done.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I used to cover the Bengal pick a shot.
Speaker 5: He has done a fantastic job. And there was a
Speaker 5: lot of skepticism when he was hired because he had
Speaker 5: framed out as the Lions coach, and there's a lot
Speaker 5: of question about the fact that how much was he
Speaker 5: responsible for the Patriots' success on defense versus Belichick legitimately
Speaker 5: so and and the other thing was he hadn't coached
Speaker 5: in college for two decades and he really exclusively a
Speaker 5: the pros. But he's done just an amazing job. I mean,
Speaker 5: they lost eight defensive starters and they're better than they
Speaker 5: were last year at helpstep Caleb Bounds for sure, and
Speaker 5: Sonny Styles for sure at linebacker, and Davis Ligbdos' is
Speaker 5: a good cornerback. But to have eight new starters and
Speaker 5: play even better than they did last year, that's pretty amazing.
Speaker 3: Quarterback Julian's saying through I think attempted twelve passes last year.
Speaker 3: This season he made very well, won the Heisman, completing
Speaker 3: seventy nine percent of his passes, thirty touchdowns, five picks.
Speaker 3: Aside from the numbers, what has impressed you most about
Speaker 3: him this season?
Speaker 6: He is just unfazable. Nothing just bothers.
Speaker 5: On the second pass of the game against Michigan's intercepted
Speaker 5: for a lot of guys, especially a red short freshman
Speaker 5: that could be really really tough to get over, he
Speaker 5: just went back out there like nothing ever happened. He's
Speaker 5: just really poised. He's incredibly accurate. He's got a strong arm,
Speaker 5: but the accuracy is the thing, and the quick release.
Speaker 5: He also was able to feel the pocket very well. Well,
Speaker 5: I mean, he can run, but he's you knows, not
Speaker 5: Will Howard. He's certainly not like a guy like Braxton
Speaker 5: Miller or just the feels like the like the highest
Speaker 5: he has had. But he could run well enough. But
Speaker 5: he's just really good at feeling pressure and being able
Speaker 5: to roll out and throw on the run. And it's
Speaker 5: been very impressive. Yeah, I think the I think whoever
Speaker 5: plays better and whoever's team wins between Ohio State Indiana
Speaker 5: with Fernando Mendoza is probably going to be the Heisman winner.
Speaker 3: The book is Buckeye Brotherhood. It's a fabulous read. It
Speaker 3: would be perfect for the holidays for those who want
Speaker 3: to get the book. For those who want to read
Speaker 3: your stuff on substack, tell them how they can go
Speaker 3: about doing that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Bill Rabinowit's R A, B I, N O,
Speaker 5: W I t Z dot substack dot com. And it's
Speaker 5: a very good problem to have, but it's a problem.
Speaker 5: The book is more or less sold out, at least
Speaker 5: the hardcovers have, so we are working really hard to
Speaker 5: get more copies than paperbacks coming in. If you subscribe
Speaker 5: to my substack, I will I will send you a
Speaker 5: free paperback version of it. If you are a Founder's member,
Speaker 5: which is you know, kind of an upper level, then
Speaker 5: you can get a free hardcover book from me. I'll
Speaker 5: sign it and personalize it. Otherwise you can try Barnes
Speaker 5: Andnoble dot com. You can certainly try some of the
Speaker 5: local bookstores in Columbus in terms of their online site,
Speaker 5: book Loft and Gramarcy Books. Yeah, it's frustrating because you
Speaker 5: want everybody who wants the book today to be able
Speaker 5: to get it today.
Speaker 6: They will have it. We know that.
Speaker 5: The reason that we kind of went to paperback is
Speaker 5: you can produce those fast and quick, fast, and you know,
Speaker 5: and pretty easily.
Speaker 6: So I think it's it's a matter of days.
Speaker 5: But again, if you want it for sure, and you
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Speaker 7: Hey.
Speaker 3: I always enjoy our conversations. I always appreciate you making time.
Speaker 3: I know it's been a hectic day. Thanks for carving
Speaker 3: out some time tonight. You know you're welcome anytime. And
Speaker 3: congrats on the book and best of luck with it
Speaker 3: going forward.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it. Lan, It's always thanks to you. Want
Speaker 6: to take care, Bill, take care? All right?
Speaker 3: There you go, Bill Rabinowitz. The substack read is excellent,
Speaker 3: The book is stellar. Buckeye Brotherhood all right still, Hey,
Speaker 3: Chris Welsh at eight oh six tonight get his reaction
Speaker 3: to the Emelio Pagan News. How about we hear a
Speaker 3: little bit from Zach Taylor. Zach Taylor on the Ken
Speaker 3: Anderson News Today. That and more is we roll on
Speaker 3: with Arnel Carrier. Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet, seven
Speaker 3: hundred WLW. Hey, we are cruising right along towards nine
Speaker 3: o'clock tonight. Nine o'clock would be Dan Carroll time. I
Speaker 3: do believe plenty to get two between now and then.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to Arnold Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet.
Speaker 3: Let's talk some Bengals before we get into the Reds
Speaker 3: to headline the eight o'clock hour. Don't look now, but
Speaker 3: the Bengals offensive line playing better, saw Joe Goodbarry from
Speaker 3: Bengals on the Brain tweet this morning. Over the last
Speaker 3: two games, according to Pro Football Focus grades, the Bengals
Speaker 3: have had their best run blocking score for a single
Speaker 3: game since twenty twenty two and their best pass blocking
Speaker 3: score for a single game since sixteen. Zach Taylor earlier
Speaker 3: today talked about the old line coming together and part
Speaker 3: of that being Dalton Reisner has settled in and taken
Speaker 3: over a right guard for the injured Jalen Rivers. Zach
Speaker 3: on that offensive line play and the impact of Dalton Reisner.
Speaker 2: Take a listen, com.
Speaker 8: Inius leadership experience energy. He's just done a great job.
Speaker 8: He's he's really a really good example of that room.
Speaker 8: Because I think you're going to describe every player in
Speaker 8: that room the same way, and so for Dalton to
Speaker 8: be the last added piece to that, he just has
Speaker 8: walked in the door and fit right in. And I'm
Speaker 8: really happy we have him, have enjoyed him being around
Speaker 8: and enjoyed the role he's playing for us. But I
Speaker 8: think he's he's just a great example of what that
Speaker 8: old line room really is. And it's all great personalities,
Speaker 8: Guys that love football, guys that really understand, have a
Speaker 8: high football Q. And so it's it's a good group
Speaker 8: to be around. They have a lot of confidence, I
Speaker 8: think the offens so we've got a lot of confidence
Speaker 8: in the team's got a lot of confidence in them. They
Speaker 8: played well, But again it's it's the preaching to the
Speaker 8: whole team right now. It doesn't matter what we did
Speaker 8: last week. We got to keep doing it over and
Speaker 8: over again. And so we can't just assume because we
Speaker 8: did some good things on Thursday night that that's going
Speaker 8: to care for Sunday. I guys understand that.
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor. Earlier today the Big Bengals News of the day.
Speaker 3: Of course, Kenny Anderson among the finalist name for the
Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: Zach was asked about Kenny earlier today, take a listen.
Speaker 8: Kenny Anderson's finals for the whole of the year time.
Speaker 6: I know he's been before, but yeah.
Speaker 2: What's been your interaction over the years.
Speaker 6: Tremendous. A huge fan of Ken Anderson.
Speaker 8: He's He's always been great to me through good times
Speaker 8: in bad. He's an example of a guy, you know,
Speaker 8: when we've struggled, who was there still supporting me, genuinely
Speaker 8: supporting me and our team and the direction we're headed.
Speaker 6: And so you.
Speaker 8: Really, I genuinely appreciate people like that. Ken and I
Speaker 8: have always had a great relationship through his foundation, through
Speaker 8: him just coming to practice, through text messages, and so
Speaker 8: I have done my own research. I mean, he absolutely
Speaker 8: should have been in the Hall of Fame a long
Speaker 8: time ago. He should absolutely be in now. I mean
Speaker 8: statistically he's he's in a better position than a lot
Speaker 8: of people that are in it. You know, NFL MVP
Speaker 8: and of the Year, let us team to super Bowl.
Speaker 8: I mean, all all the great perform at the completion percentage,
Speaker 8: everything he's done, statistically should he should be in there
Speaker 8: right now. So this year is the year he absolutely
Speaker 8: absolutely should be in it. If he's not, then it's e'sicient.
Speaker 3: Really good stuff from Zach. Earlier today, there was also
Speaker 3: a high school conversation at Zach's news conference, the fact
Speaker 3: that Anderson and Saint X are still alive, and Zach
Speaker 3: talked about those two teams, in fact, the connection that
Speaker 3: Travis Brammer, their video director, has to that Anderson team.
Speaker 3: Here's Zach talking to high school football.
Speaker 8: St X and Anderson playing first state champions the next
Speaker 8: couple of days.
Speaker 2: Will needs pulling for both those absolutely.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: You know, Travis Brammer his son played Anderson last year,
Speaker 8: so I know he still goes a lot of the games.
Speaker 8: And I've been falling Anderson all year. They have a
Speaker 8: tremendous team, and I think they're playing the same team
Speaker 8: they played last year. I'm not mistaken. I know they're
Speaker 8: proximate five fifty three AM this year. Seven minutes earlier
Speaker 8: I saw that. So definitely pulling for Anderson, Definitely pulling
Speaker 8: for Saint X. You know, got a lot of people
Speaker 8: that I know that are there, and so two great
Speaker 8: nights of football, you know, Thursday and Friday, and I
Speaker 8: hope I'm not missing amba else in the area.
Speaker 6: But those are two teams.
Speaker 8: That I feel like i've I've really followed over the
Speaker 8: last couple of years, and great football coming from the
Speaker 8: Cincinnati area.
Speaker 6: So be fun to watch.
Speaker 3: All right, let's do this. Let's let's put this first
Speaker 3: hour in the books. Get your check on news. Eight
Speaker 3: o'clock hour will be spent with our leadoff hitter, Chris Welsh.
Speaker 3: He's going to be in Brookville, Indiana a week from
Speaker 3: tomorrow night the Franklin County Baseball Dinner.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3: It is reaction to Emilio Pegan coming back to the
Speaker 3: Reds according to the Athletic two years at twenty million,
Speaker 3: with a player option for that second year. I'll ask
Speaker 3: him about the news that continues to circulate about Kyle
Speaker 3: Schwarber and some other aspects of this Reds team. You'll
Speaker 3: hear from Richard Patino on the shootout and what it
Speaker 3: means and if the players today understand the significance of
Speaker 3: the shootout. That in the eight o'clock hour, and I
Speaker 3: think we're gonna have to take some calls as well,
Speaker 3: so we are action packed. Let's get two it afternoons
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Speaker 1: The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm.
Speaker 3: All right, let's keep rolling, no reason to slow down
Speaker 3: at this point eight oh nine. Welcome in on RNL
Speaker 3: Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm Lance pcal Lester.
Speaker 3: How about some Reds based you know and you love
Speaker 3: Our next guest as a longtime Reds analyst on TV
Speaker 3: and in the radio booth for over the past thirty
Speaker 3: three seasons, he's going to be the featured speaker at
Speaker 3: the annual Franklin County Baseball Dinner coming up Thursday night
Speaker 3: in Brookville, Indiana. A night of food, fun and fundraising
Speaker 3: and talking baseball. It is a pleasure to welcome in.
Speaker 3: Chris Welsh, how are you.
Speaker 7: Lance, Lance? Great to talk to you anytime I can
Speaker 7: talk to you. And there's snow on the ground. I
Speaker 7: mean that's that's a good thing, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's even like some hot stove news to
Speaker 3: melt the snow.
Speaker 2: Tonight.
Speaker 3: Our guy see Trend has reported that the Reds have
Speaker 3: reaching agreement on a two year, twenty million dollar deal
Speaker 3: with Emilio Pegan. The second year of player option your
Speaker 3: instant reaction.
Speaker 9: A great move, really good move.
Speaker 7: I was kind of distressed to think that he was
Speaker 7: going to be gone, be honest with you. You know,
Speaker 7: he's an interesting guy. He had a tough twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7: He was injured, his velocity dropped down, he just didn't
Speaker 7: feel well. I think he had a lap problem that
Speaker 7: he really never did heal from. And then last year,
Speaker 7: you know, his velocity bumped up as high as it was.
Speaker 9: In his entire career.
Speaker 7: So here he was thirty four years old, throwing as
Speaker 7: hard as he ever did before.
Speaker 9: His splitter was really good last year.
Speaker 7: I think hit or sit like a buck twenty off
Speaker 7: of it or something like that. And you know, for
Speaker 7: all the worry that the people had about signing him
Speaker 7: to a small ballpark like Great American and you know, Flyball,
Speaker 7: it didn't work out like that. He was solid guy
Speaker 7: and he's really solid in the clubhouse, super leader.
Speaker 9: I'm delighted that.
Speaker 2: He's back now.
Speaker 3: The other news, Ken Rosen, everybody from Ken Rosenthal to
Speaker 3: John Hayman writing at the Reds are quote serious about
Speaker 3: Kyle Schwerber, that Kyle is at least willing to listen.
Speaker 3: What would you what would you say to us, dropping
Speaker 3: Kyle Schwerber in the middle of that Reds line up,
Speaker 3: Chris Welsh, it would.
Speaker 7: Change a little bit, would I mean, you know, he
Speaker 7: was kind of the missing link. In fact, there are
Speaker 7: a lot of teams that could use him right in
Speaker 7: the middle of the order, obviously, and the Reds, hopefully,
Speaker 7: you know, are on the trail and you know they've
Speaker 7: got a lot of things going for them and trying
Speaker 7: to resign him. But you know, it's one of those
Speaker 7: things where you need a guy who puts a little
Speaker 7: bit of fear in the opposing pictures.
Speaker 9: And the Reds didn't had that guy. I mean, they
Speaker 9: had good.
Speaker 7: Players, They had versatle players, guys who could play all
Speaker 7: over the place. Some of them could put the ball
Speaker 7: in play, some of us struck out a little bit.
Speaker 7: But if you put Schwarbur in there, when you're a pitcher,
Speaker 7: you know where he is in the batting order? I mean,
Speaker 7: is he on the deck circle? Is he in double deck?
Speaker 7: You know, do I have to face the next inning?
Speaker 7: Managers feel the same way when they're plotting out the
Speaker 7: late part of the game. Where is Schwarber And because
Speaker 7: he can change a game on a swing so it
Speaker 7: would be great. Certainly, I'm you know, optimistic, but I'm
Speaker 7: tempering that a little bit because, you know, the free
Speaker 7: agent market is a crazy thing.
Speaker 9: It's very unpredictable, no doubt, no.
Speaker 3: Doubt they and they have some work to do. I
Speaker 3: want to go back to the bullpen. They still have
Speaker 3: some work to do to rebuild that bullpen, Chris. Why
Speaker 3: are the performances of relievers so seemingly volatile one year
Speaker 3: to the next. Why are they so hard to figure
Speaker 3: out and know what to count on and who to
Speaker 3: count on year to year?
Speaker 7: Well, I mean it's not only with the Reds, but
Speaker 7: it's everybody. And I think that because everybody, I think nowadays,
Speaker 7: lance is being evaluated according to numbers.
Speaker 9: You know, how hard do you throw.
Speaker 7: How hard is your slider? How many times you get
Speaker 7: twings and misses? What is your soft contact?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 7: The last thing that I think teams look at nowadays
Speaker 7: are earned run averages and wins and losses and even
Speaker 7: number of saves and holds and things like that. Those
Speaker 7: statistics are out the door now. Everything that they're looking
Speaker 7: at is being grabbed by a high speed camera or
Speaker 7: some kind of an analytical machine that is breaking down
Speaker 7: the pitch, you know, the stin the axis of the pitch,
Speaker 7: the release point. Here's something for you. Here's one thing
Speaker 7: that made Emilio Pegan soo good and deceptive. He throws
Speaker 7: ninety six miles an hour, but he's six feet two
Speaker 7: inches tall. When he releases the ball to home plate,
Speaker 7: he's almost six feet nine inches tall. You you know,
Speaker 7: six inches of extension, and that's six inches sneaks up
Speaker 7: on the hitter. Those are the kind of things that teams.
Speaker 9: Are looking for nowadays.
Speaker 7: And I think the reason the teams are up and
Speaker 7: their players are up and down, pitchers especially is because
Speaker 7: you know, they're chasing the unhittable pitch and they're trying
Speaker 7: to throw it so hard and snap it off so
Speaker 7: hard that they lose the consistency around the strike zone.
Speaker 7: And if you're wild or outside of the drug zone,
Speaker 7: you're going to be wild inside the strike zone and
Speaker 7: those guys get hit. So it's as simple as that.
Speaker 7: That's why it's very hard to predict pitchers, especially relief pitchers.
Speaker 3: I wonder Tony Santion was really good last year, but
Speaker 3: he was really worked last year eighty appearances. How much
Speaker 3: concern do you have about the carryover effect into the
Speaker 3: next season after a workload like that.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of worry about that.
Speaker 7: I mean, well, once a guy gets to about seventy
Speaker 7: games a year and how he's worked and so on,
Speaker 7: you see fewer and fewer relievers wanting to take the
Speaker 7: ball down the.
Speaker 9: Road when they've been they've been used like that.
Speaker 7: I mean, their agents are now telling them that, hey,
Speaker 7: you know, you shut it down until you know, the
Speaker 7: month of August because you know you're coming up on
Speaker 7: free agency and you can't afford to go seventy five
Speaker 7: games this year. They're going to use you. They know
Speaker 7: you're going to be a free agent. This is not
Speaker 7: Tony Santin. This is in general. So this is the
Speaker 7: one thing that's going on kind of behind the scenes
Speaker 7: in baseball that's very disturbing, where you're getting pitchers that
Speaker 7: are healthy who are not pitching because they're afraid they're
Speaker 7: going to miss the big pay day when they become
Speaker 7: a creation er and they get an arbitration. So you know,
Speaker 7: Santio is a team player. He's a guy that went
Speaker 7: out there time and time again. He went out there,
Speaker 7: you know, on fumes many times and I think that
Speaker 7: he's going to be well rested.
Speaker 9: He's a big dude, man.
Speaker 7: I mean, he's a big, burly bull out and I
Speaker 7: love him. And I don't think other hitters like to
Speaker 7: sit in the sit in the batters box against him either.
Speaker 3: Are you bullish on a bounce back from Matt McLain
Speaker 3: this coming season?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I am.
Speaker 6: I think that.
Speaker 7: You know, he had a really serious shoulder injury. I
Speaker 7: think the expectations for Matt McClain were way.
Speaker 9: Out of whack at the beginning of the year last year.
Speaker 7: I really do now really for me, Matt McClain, he
Speaker 7: has to be for simple. He just got to fix
Speaker 7: a couple of things at the plate. Number one, he's
Speaker 7: got to stop chasing the high pitch. If he stopped
Speaker 7: doing that, you're going to bring the ball down in
Speaker 7: order for him. He's got a small strike zone. He's
Speaker 7: a little dude right highwives. He's a big, strong, early kid,
Speaker 7: but he's he's not real tall, so it's a nice
Speaker 7: compact strike zone. He's got to make the strike zone
Speaker 7: his friend rather than his foe. And he started chasing
Speaker 7: things all over outside of the zone, and you know,
Speaker 7: you pitch him in with fastballs.
Speaker 9: You pitch him away with sliders the age Wle way.
Speaker 7: Of doing it, and that was the way they got
Speaker 7: him out last year. Once he figures that out, you know,
Speaker 7: he's a speedy kid. He's got a great arm. He
Speaker 7: wants to play. He's got this burning desire inside him,
Speaker 7: and that's probably the thing that I like the most.
Speaker 3: You are the featured speaker at the annual Franklin County
Speaker 3: Baseball Dinner coming up next Thursday night. Are you excited
Speaker 3: to be in Brookville, Indiana for a big night of
Speaker 3: talking baseball?
Speaker 7: I am, indeed and not doing that, but I'm going
Speaker 7: to see my old battery mate who ended up being
Speaker 7: a Reds manager, and Dave Miley. It was Miles that
Speaker 7: called me and he got me over there.
Speaker 9: He's involved with that program over there.
Speaker 7: And it's going to be a lot of fun. It's
Speaker 7: not big fancy dinnering. I think they're doing pizza and
Speaker 7: the salads and things like this. But I'm going to
Speaker 7: give a good talk about, you know, about the Reds,
Speaker 7: maybe had some broadcasting and some history, maybe some jokes
Speaker 7: mixed in, and I'll tell you, and I'll to everybody
Speaker 7: that shows up. If you don't like my speech, I'll
Speaker 7: almost get your money back, so you can't beat that.
Speaker 3: Love it if you want a ticket information, Chris has
Speaker 3: information on his X feet at Think Pitch. I've also
Speaker 3: reposted it as well on x atlance Percallister. Hey, it
Speaker 3: is great catching up with you. Love talking baseball with you.
Speaker 3: Thanks for making time tonight.
Speaker 9: All right, Lace, anytime talk baseball with you. It's always
Speaker 9: a fun thing to do.
Speaker 2: Thanks Chris, Take care, okay, buddy, all right, there you go.
Speaker 3: Chris Welsh talking baseball doing it. Thursday night, Dave Miley.
Speaker 3: I got a text from Dave. Why Miley reads my
Speaker 3: random thoughts each week that I post at seven hundred
Speaker 3: WLW dot com and then we'll send me his own,
Speaker 3: which I love, and we go back and forth. And
Speaker 3: he gave me a suggestion on a place to eat.
Speaker 3: Trying to pull it up on my phone. Now this
Speaker 3: is good radio. Hold on, see if I can find
Speaker 3: it on my phone. Here it is. He told me
Speaker 3: that Kelly and I must go to the best chicken
Speaker 3: in Indiana, Saint Leon's Tavern. In fact, he says Murty
Speaker 3: and Amanda would vouch for that as well. So I'm
Speaker 3: gonna have to hit Saint Leon Tavern for the Fried Chicken.
Speaker 3: Thanks to Dave Miley. I love what I love texting
Speaker 3: back and forth with him. All right, let's do this.
Speaker 3: Let's open up the phones. I want to talk some Reds.
Speaker 3: Why we headlined the hour with Chris Welsh. There's news
Speaker 3: on Emilio Pagan. There's news on Kyle Schwarber. Let's go
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Speaker 3: the day. Just as the show was beginning at seven o'clock,
Speaker 3: see Trent Rosecrans of The Athletic reporting the Reds a
Speaker 3: Emilio Pagan have reached agreement on a two year, twenty
Speaker 3: million dollar contract. According to the report, there is an
Speaker 3: option after the first year that is a Emilio Pagan option,
Speaker 3: So he gets the first year and then that second
Speaker 3: year he can pick up the option or he could
Speaker 3: opt out. Two years twenty million in the ballpark of
Speaker 3: what the now on the closer rate this offseason, it's
Speaker 3: kind of skyrocketed if you've seen the money. And Bob
Speaker 3: Nightingale reported that the Reds were had also been interested
Speaker 3: in Devin Williams, the former Yankees and Brewers closer who
Speaker 3: signed with the Mets this week. So the Reds get
Speaker 3: Pegan two years twenty million. He's got an option for
Speaker 3: that second year, and that's a rather significant piece for
Speaker 3: a bullpen that has to be rebuilt. Scott Barlow's option decline,
Speaker 3: Brent Suter's option decline. I wouldn't mind seeing either one
Speaker 3: of them come back. Nick Martinez is gone. Taylor Rogers,
Speaker 3: of course, was traded during the season, so Pegan comes
Speaker 3: back to go with Tony Santion and.
Speaker 2: A few others.
Speaker 3: But clearly that is one of the one of the
Speaker 3: big points of this offseason rebuilding, reconstructing that bullpen. Now,
Speaker 3: what I find very interesting in this story from The
Speaker 3: Athletic is this single sentence from Sea track Ready. He writes,
Speaker 3: it is the first step by the Reds towards reconstructing
Speaker 3: their bullpen as they continue their pursuit of Kyle Schwarber. Wait,
Speaker 3: let me go back and read that it is the
Speaker 3: first step by the Reds towards reconstructing their bullpen as
Speaker 3: they also continue their pursuit of Kyle Schwarber. That ties
Speaker 3: in with the other story of the day from Ken
Speaker 3: Rosenthal of The Athletic to John Hayman of New York
Speaker 3: Post and MLB Network, both writing about the Reds. Serious,
Speaker 3: that's the word serious. Interest in Kyle Schwarber and his
Speaker 3: interest in possibly coming home. I will read to you
Speaker 3: from the Athletic Today quote the Reds are serious about
Speaker 3: signing Kyle Schworber. Whether they can actually pull off such
Speaker 3: an upset is another matter. Entirely, Schwarber is interested in
Speaker 3: a possible homecoming, according to people briefed on his thinking.
Speaker 3: He goes on to write as Ken Rosenthal, the Reds
Speaker 3: offer him the chance to transform their young lineup and
Speaker 3: play for one of the one of the game's most
Speaker 3: respected managers, Terry Francona. The problem for the Reds that
Speaker 3: the Phillies almost certainly will offer Schwarber more money. We'll
Speaker 3: get into that in what remains of this hour as well.
Speaker 3: Let's get into your calls in Fairfield, Andy. You were
Speaker 3: on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 6: Hey, Alance, real quickcase.
Speaker 10: I know you're up against the clock here, but I
Speaker 10: listened to way too much MLB network and I wake
Speaker 10: up to it and Steve, Steve Phillips, this morning was
Speaker 10: all over. He said, I don't care what you have
Speaker 10: to do the Reds Andee Schwarber, now is the time,
Speaker 10: or his words, with the starting pitching we have, with
Speaker 10: the young players we have he said, you basically have
Speaker 10: to do whatever it takes to get Shworber. If you
Speaker 10: have to offer him five years what everybody else was
Speaker 10: given him four, you do it and you don't worry
Speaker 10: about the rest of it.
Speaker 6: You'll make the money up in the long run.
Speaker 10: And if they do it and they pay him one
Speaker 10: point fifty fifty million for five years, I don't know
Speaker 10: if that Shoorbert territory. I promise I won't call in
Speaker 10: twenty twenty nine complaining that we spend too much money on.
Speaker 3: Shorebur Yeah, I know, I know what you're saying. I mean,
Speaker 3: the planets and stars are aligning. You've got the pitching,
Speaker 3: You've got young guys, and I'll pull out the old
Speaker 3: adage you got to spend money to make money. And
Speaker 3: I'd like to see, for once this organization make a
Speaker 3: bet and say we think he can be a big
Speaker 3: enough impact on our lineup and on our fan base,
Speaker 3: we will earn the money back and beyond. We're rolling
Speaker 3: the dice. Let's do this right.
Speaker 10: And I got to say how much, and I'll let
Speaker 10: you go after I gets your opinion on it. How
Speaker 10: much is the francona factor? I'm getting him here.
Speaker 3: Thank you for the call. I I appreciate you checking out.
Speaker 3: I think it certainly helps. I mean, if you are,
Speaker 3: if you're Kyle Shoorber, who wouldn't want to play for?
Speaker 3: And I was I was listening to Spencer Steer earlier
Speaker 3: on the on the Red Hot Stove talking about what
Speaker 3: it's like playing for Terry Francona and the respect he
Speaker 3: has and when he talks people listen, and man, if
Speaker 3: you're Kyle Schwarber, if you're anybody, and let's start adding
Speaker 3: this up, going home, playing for Terry Francona, playing for
Speaker 3: a team on the up, on the rise, arrow pointing
Speaker 3: up in a ballpark, conducive.
Speaker 2: To your abilities.
Speaker 3: Now again, I'm I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer,
Speaker 3: but I file this under I'll believe it when I
Speaker 3: see it. It just it hasn't been how they operated
Speaker 3: and if cretainly hasn't been anywhere near their history from
Speaker 3: a free agent signing standpoint. But that doesn't mean I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be excited about it. Let's talk more about that.
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Speaker 3: before we get back into the Reds, I want to
Speaker 3: give you a little bit on the Crossdown shootout Friday night,
Speaker 3: seven thirty right here on seven hundred WILW with Dan
Speaker 3: and with Terry in the UC broadcast Xavier Call of
Speaker 3: course on fifty five care see. The Wes Miller Show
Speaker 3: is tomorrow night. Following us on the Roundtable Show, I'm
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Speaker 3: for the rest of the year, throughout the regular season
Speaker 3: and the playoff run, we will be at the Wilder
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Speaker 3: and say hi. At eight o'clock tomorrow night, It'll be
Speaker 3: the Wes Miller Show. You'll get plenty of reaction and
Speaker 3: breakdown of the shootout from a UC standpoint, how about
Speaker 3: Xavier reaction? Now, Richard Patino first year in this thing,
Speaker 3: and I met with the media earlier today, and of
Speaker 3: course the question is, you know, preparation for a game
Speaker 3: like this, the emotions involved in a game like this.
Speaker 3: Listen to what Richard Patino said about the prep and
Speaker 3: the emotions involved in the Crossdown shootout.
Speaker 11: As boring as it sounds, on a day to day,
Speaker 11: we approach it, you know, like any other game. With
Speaker 11: that being said, you know, we know how passionate our
Speaker 11: fan base is. We know how passionate their fan base is.
Speaker 11: We're all so close together, so we totally respect the
Speaker 11: rivalry and you know the amazing tradition that the game has.
Speaker 11: Our guys know it, you know, But on a day
Speaker 11: to day we're not working any harder.
Speaker 6: I can promise you. You see, he is doing the
Speaker 6: same thing.
Speaker 11: I don't try to make a bigger deal of it
Speaker 11: as we're scouting, as we're preparing than we would any
Speaker 11: other opponent. But everybody knows the gravity of the game
Speaker 11: on both sides.
Speaker 3: You know, we we long for the good old day
Speaker 3: a lot and certainly when it comes to a game
Speaker 3: like this and Huggins and Gillan and no handshake and
Speaker 3: hugs and the black hat approach to a game like this.
Speaker 3: And I'm always fascinated by as long as I've been
Speaker 3: here since ninety seven, I'm always fascinated by how the
Speaker 3: new coaches, what they say going into a game like this,
Speaker 3: and what they say coming out of a game like
Speaker 3: this after they experience for the first time, because you
Speaker 3: can be told about it, but not until you're actually
Speaker 3: in it, does it.
Speaker 2: Really hit you.
Speaker 3: I remember having this conversation with that when he was
Speaker 3: at Xavier of what he thought going in versus in
Speaker 3: that moment that like, holy crap, this thing is intense.
Speaker 3: Listen to what Richard Patino said earlier today when asked
Speaker 3: about if he has researched the history of this, if
Speaker 3: he's attempted to teach his players about the crossdown shootout.
Speaker 11: No, I'm treating it like I would any other game.
Speaker 11: I mean, these are guys. They don't care about what
Speaker 11: happened in nineteen eighty. I wish they would, but they're young.
Speaker 11: They're young players. I mean, they don't you know what
Speaker 11: we taught we don't talk about, oh, ten years ago,
Speaker 11: this is what happened.
Speaker 2: Those guys just don't care. I mean, that's this young generation.
Speaker 11: What we just talk about is how can we beat
Speaker 11: uc which is going to be a very, very tough task. Again,
Speaker 11: I don't want to like gloss over it like it's
Speaker 11: not a big deal. It's certainly a big game and
Speaker 11: a huge opportunity for us in the building. But what
Speaker 11: happened in the past that would just totally blow over
Speaker 11: their heads.
Speaker 3: Richard Patino earlier today, and that's kind of the reality
Speaker 3: of today, certainly in college basketball. He Zavier's got twelve
Speaker 3: new guys. Who knows about shootout? Turnover on both teams,
Speaker 3: turnovers on every team. In college basketball, there isn't the
Speaker 3: ingrained grow year to year, spend three or four five
Speaker 3: years in a program, us play summer ball against the
Speaker 3: other guys, and then go to b on the shootout
Speaker 3: and it's knocked down, drag out. I'm not saying it
Speaker 3: will be emotionless on Friday night, but it's just it's
Speaker 3: just different. It's not going to go back to the
Speaker 3: way many want the shootout to be. Man there have
Speaker 3: been some moments, Holy cow, have been there have been
Speaker 3: some moments. Listen to Richard earlier today when he was
Speaker 3: asked about, you know, if he prepares his team for
Speaker 3: the emotions that are coming Friday night at Centas Center.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I think whether it's at Iowa home,
Speaker 11: we don't make a big deal out of the external
Speaker 11: things that we can't control. Like do our players know
Speaker 11: that it's going to be a big crowd in the
Speaker 11: sentas And of course they do, you know, I mean
Speaker 11: they're all on.
Speaker 2: Social media and all those things.
Speaker 11: But what would I say to them, Oh, there, it's
Speaker 11: gonna be sold out, and it's gonna be I mean,
Speaker 11: you got to play the right way, regardless of an
Speaker 11: empty arena on the road, neutral site sold out, Like,
Speaker 11: you gotta play the way we're doing. So, you know,
Speaker 11: maybe you talk to them about don't let your emotions
Speaker 11: take over and things like that, you know, just try
Speaker 11: to lock in on the next play.
Speaker 3: I would submit. It is one thing to say that,
Speaker 3: and it's one thing to say whether it's playing at
Speaker 3: Iowa or a neutral I get saying it. I think
Speaker 3: until you live it, you don't understand it. And I
Speaker 3: think that will be for him and players on both
Speaker 3: sides because in that moment Thursday night, when the ball
Speaker 3: goes up, the emotions and the electricity in that place.
Speaker 3: And I've heard Richard defer a lot of the shootout
Speaker 3: this week too, how much it means to the fans.
Speaker 2: There's no question about what it means to the fans.
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 3: Wait till Friday night. If there's any player on either
Speaker 3: side that wonders about the vibe for.
Speaker 2: This game is what I would say. All right, back
Speaker 2: to the Reds.
Speaker 3: I thought about this on Amelio Pagan and the contract
Speaker 3: two years twenty million, Okay, doable. I mean if you
Speaker 3: look at the market right now this offseason in free agency,
Speaker 3: the closer market blown up. I mean Devin Williams signed
Speaker 3: for three years forty five million. I think it bumped
Speaker 3: up to fifty one. Three years fifty one with the Mets,
Speaker 3: Ryan Helsley of the Orioles two years twenty eight. Raycella
Speaker 3: Galacia has resigned with the Braves one year sixteen. The
Speaker 3: Reds get Pegan for two years at twenty and it's
Speaker 3: a player option for the second year. Now, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying he's Devin Williams or Ryan Helsley or rycellagalasis, but
Speaker 3: there's no question he's good. My only hesitation with Emelio
Speaker 3: Pagan and this is what I said. This was one
Speaker 3: of our questions the offseason. My hesitation with Pegan is twofold.
Speaker 3: One part of me wonders, if not fears, they've already
Speaker 3: got the best out of Amelia Pegan. He's thirty five.
Speaker 3: He had a career year. That makes me leary of
Speaker 3: paying him for what's to come.
Speaker 2: That's more.
Speaker 3: You know, what he did is one thing, but this
Speaker 3: organization's got to pay on what he's going to do.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying he's gonna blow up.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying his track record is that was his
Speaker 3: best season, and there have been It's kind of been
Speaker 3: a roller coaster, a bit spotty at times. And earned
Speaker 3: run average was two eighty eight. He struck out thirty
Speaker 3: percent of batters. He did blow six saves. The deeper
Speaker 3: metrics FIP, which is fielding independent pit is kind of
Speaker 3: a complicated thing, indicates he got a little lucky. His
Speaker 3: earned run average should have been about a run higher almost.
Speaker 3: That's a little bit of a concern, But two years
Speaker 3: twenty million is not outrage, is my other thought, and
Speaker 3: especially considering he probably opts out after the first year.
Speaker 3: So one year at ten now that's not that's not
Speaker 3: going to break a bank. But the other part of
Speaker 3: the equation that I wonder about. We were told their
Speaker 3: payroll was going to be similar to last year, and
Speaker 3: that leaves them in the neighborhood of about twenty million
Speaker 3: to play with this season. So if you've given ten
Speaker 3: million to Pegan right out of the shoot with your
Speaker 3: first signing, by that theory, my butler math says, you've
Speaker 3: got ten million left.
Speaker 2: So how's that gonna work?
Speaker 3: Because you still need that elusive bat Air quotes a
Speaker 3: couple of more relievers and to round out this roster.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not against Pegant two years twenty million.
Speaker 3: I think that's that's doable, But I wonder what it
Speaker 3: leaves them in terms of work to do and money
Speaker 3: to spend doing that. I'm fascinated by that line by C.
Speaker 3: Trent and Ken Rosenthal that the line was reconstruct the
Speaker 3: bullpen and continue their pursuit of Kyle Schwarber. It didn't
Speaker 3: say they've signed Emilia Pegan two years twenty million, all
Speaker 3: but closing the door on spending for the roster the
Speaker 3: rest of the off season, or limiting them to just
Speaker 3: ten million to play with the rest of the off season.
Speaker 3: It said to continue their pursuit of Kyle Schwarber. So
Speaker 3: what are we to take that to mean that they
Speaker 3: might be ready to swing and swing big beyond what
Speaker 3: Nick Krawl was initially told. Has there been a recalculation,
Speaker 3: reconfiguring a thought that well, you know what, if we
Speaker 3: run it back at the same payroll, we're not going
Speaker 3: to be good enough. And how are our fans going
Speaker 3: to respond to that in terms of tickets and support?
Speaker 3: You know, the Athletic predicts Schwarber gets five years, one
Speaker 3: hundred and forty five million. That's the projection from the
Speaker 3: Athletic five years, one hundred and forty five million. That's
Speaker 3: just under thirty million a year. And Nick said they
Speaker 3: had about twenty million to spend. So how does the
Speaker 3: math work? Rosenthal writes. Schwarber, coming off a career high
Speaker 3: fifty six home run season, will cost considerably more than
Speaker 3: that annually, and the Reds would still need to fortify
Speaker 3: their bullpen. They could trade utility man Gavin Lux, projected
Speaker 3: to earn five million in arbitration, and maybe another player
Speaker 3: in a similar range salary, But unless they made an
Speaker 3: exception for Schwarber, it's difficult to see how they can
Speaker 3: make the finances work. That's why I say I believe
Speaker 3: it when I see it. Rosenthal goes on to write, Schwarber,
Speaker 3: who turns thirty three in March, is probably looking at
Speaker 3: his last big contract. He's unlikely to give the Reds
Speaker 3: much of a hometown discount, if any, and expect the
Speaker 3: Mets and the Red Sox and others to be involved
Speaker 3: the Reds appeal. He writes, Well, they improve from seventy
Speaker 3: seven to eighty three wins under Francona. With the exception
Speaker 3: of Brady Singer. Every member of their talented rotation is
Speaker 3: under team control beyond this season, and most of their
Speaker 3: best position players are under control through at least twenty
Speaker 3: twenty eight. Stick Schoorber in that lineup as the DH
Speaker 3: and the entire group might take off, writes Ken Rosenthal.
Speaker 3: Over the past four seasons, the how many players have
Speaker 3: hit more home runs than Schworber one Aaron Judge, and
Speaker 3: Rosenthal concludes in The Athletic Today, to the Reds, it's
Speaker 3: all rather tantalizing Schworber, as much as he loves playing
Speaker 3: for the Phillies, probably is intrigued.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 3: But in free agency, sentiment rarely carries the day. Money
Speaker 3: matters most, and it's difficult to foresee the Reds coming
Speaker 3: up with enough they would have to change the way
Speaker 3: they do business. The most they've ever spent on an
Speaker 3: outside free agent in the history of the franchise. Hear
Speaker 3: me when I say this, forget about Junior Junior. They
Speaker 3: traded for the most money they have given somebody else's
Speaker 3: free agent to come here, sixty four million dollars. That
Speaker 3: was to Mike Mustakas, and that was to Nick Costianos.
Speaker 3: And the Costianos deal came with an opt out for
Speaker 3: him after the second year, which he did. So you're
Speaker 3: you're talking of, if you if you really believe they're
Speaker 3: going to change their mo Do you believe they're going
Speaker 3: to go from giving Mustakas sixty four million and Costiano's
Speaker 3: sixty four million and suddenly say yeah, let's go for it.
Speaker 3: Let's swing big, Kyle Schwarber, here's five years, one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty million.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 3: I will believe it when I see it. It's fun,
Speaker 3: it's exciting, it's like offseason fantasy baseball conversation.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to see it.
Speaker 3: If I could use the Marvin Lewis I see better
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Speaker 3: in January of the twenty thirteen to twenty fourteen season.
Speaker 3: Kerwin is twenty three years old. He leads all ECHL
Speaker 3: rookies with nine goals. He's got eight assists, leads the
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Speaker 3: way he's playing, he will not be here long. Cyclones
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Speaker 3: date in nineteen eighty nine, Bengals beat the Browns twenty
Speaker 3: one zip in Cleveland, the Bengals first shutout in nine
Speaker 3: years spanning one hundred and forty eight games. Tim McGee
Speaker 3: holding a thirty eight yard touchdown pass from Boomer on
Speaker 3: a flea flicker that included James Brooks. With that, I
Speaker 3: am done and we got a lot in tonight. I
Speaker 3: still could have used the third hour, but we got
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