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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it at seven h seven.

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Speaker 3: Seven hundred WLW Welcome in RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented

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Speaker 3: by Kelsey Chevrolet. Two hours to get it done tonight, man,

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Speaker 3: do we have some grind to cover. We have a

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Speaker 3: developing situation with the Reds. Let me give you the

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Speaker 3: cliff Notes version on that. Sea Trent is reporting the

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Speaker 3: Reds in Emilio. Pagan have reached terms agreement on a

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Speaker 3: two year contract. Details to follow. My first guest is

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Speaker 3: a Cincinnati kid. You might remember him as a sports

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Speaker 3: anchor and reporter for Channel five from twenty eighteen to

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. After battling depression and suicidal thoughts, he

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Speaker 3: checked himself into a mental health hospital, began treatment, found

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Speaker 3: a new purpose, left TV, became a mental health advocate

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Speaker 3: host of the Mental Game podcast. You might remember he

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Speaker 3: joined me in studio back in twenty twenty two. What

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Speaker 3: a journey since. What an incredible latest chapter We're going

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Speaker 3: to get to in a second, But what a pleasure

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Speaker 3: to welcome back Brandon.

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Speaker 2: Sayo, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm good land man. I look back to that moment

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Speaker 4: in the studio. I think we had like maybe ten

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Speaker 4: or fifteen minutes carved out. We ended up doing an

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Speaker 4: hour together. And now I'll be forever grateful for you

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Speaker 4: letting me share my story that way on the radio,

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Speaker 4: because it was the first time that I really told

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Speaker 4: a lot of those stories of my mental health struggle.

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Speaker 4: So thanks man. I love it, and I'm excited to

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Speaker 4: be back.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm so proud of what you are doing and

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Speaker 3: so excited about what you're doing. And that night I

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Speaker 3: get goosebumps and my hair stands up on my arms

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Speaker 3: just remembering the things we discussed that night.

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Speaker 5: Let's do this.

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Speaker 3: Before we get to the incredible news, a little bit

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Speaker 3: of backtracking. It's set up for those who may not

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Speaker 3: be aware of what all is going on. Tell listeners

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Speaker 3: what your mission is with the Mental Game podcast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean I struggled from fourteen years old

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Speaker 4: on as a freshman at Lasal with suicidal thoughts all

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Speaker 4: the way through college and even when I got my

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Speaker 4: dream job working at WLWT and getting to do the

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Speaker 4: sports with George and Elise and the crew at Channel

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Speaker 4: five and covering the Bengal is going to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: No one really knew that behind the scenes, I was

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Speaker 4: battling suicide every second, every day for those three months

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Speaker 4: leading up to that Super Bowl we run. I had

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Speaker 4: three family members passed away, including my cousin Ben, who's

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Speaker 4: based on my older brother. He had a heart attack

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Speaker 4: at thirty one. I dealt with all this pressure on me,

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Speaker 4: obviously at work, which I loved, but it's a lot.

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Speaker 4: And then I always felt alone and wanted to have

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Speaker 4: that picture perfect you know, high school sweetheart, marriage and

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Speaker 4: I thought I finally found that person with that relationship,

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Speaker 4: with going through a really tough moment and break up

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Speaker 4: and toxic relationship, and so I get the rock bottom. Man,

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Speaker 4: we're at twenty eight. I had to go to my

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Speaker 4: mom for the first time ever. He's the first person

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Speaker 4: I ever told like, I don't want to live anymore.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how to live and I need help.

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Speaker 4: And that is the first time I asked for help.

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Speaker 4: And I checked into a hospital at the Lenders Center

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Speaker 4: Hope and Mason. That helped save my life the next day,

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Speaker 4: And that was the first step, man. But it's been

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Speaker 4: a long, long journey since that day. In twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: And your Mental Game podcast is just blowing up and

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Speaker 3: you it seems if I had a map in front

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Speaker 2: And I'm struck by how.

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Speaker 3: Comfortable you make them in very uncomfortable conversations. They're opening

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Speaker 3: idea of some of the people you've talked to over

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Speaker 4: Well, I have to give Sam Hubbard credit. That guy

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Speaker 4: started with Sam, Ricky Williams, one of my first guests,

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Speaker 4: But it's grown now where you know, I moved to

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Speaker 4: it with me because he felt comfortable with my vulnerability

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Speaker 4: with some of these big time people in sports, whether

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Speaker 4: shay Z or Nate Burlison, these people that you think

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Speaker 4: we all struggle, We all go through stuff. And so

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Speaker 4: with Joe Burrow's parents, talking to thousands of people about

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Speaker 3: Man, your newest chapter is pretty dang incredible, and you

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Speaker 3: are the subject of the interview. Explain what happened yesterday

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Speaker 3: and who you talked to and who talked to you.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe every time I stay this sentence, because

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Speaker 4: it's been a seekert I've had to keep for about

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Speaker 4: three weeks. But I sat down with Oprah Winfrey, which

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Speaker 4: is insane to say out loud, and I got to

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Speaker 4: that video would change my life and get to Oprah

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Speaker 4: was incredible to see the outpouring of messages from men

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Speaker 4: with her. She had this amazing episode with Scott Galloway.

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Speaker 4: and man, it was. It was special and it was

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Speaker 4: comes to TV and entertainment and just I mean lance,

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Speaker 4: There's some cool moments that I'll share here in a

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Speaker 3: So you said it's about eight to ten minutes. Where

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Speaker 4: and it's Gail King, and I'm like, what is my

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Speaker 4: it was worth it in like that ten seconds. I

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Speaker 4: you talked to like people like Burrow or these athletes

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Speaker 4: and they're like, not just another game, they don't really

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Speaker 4: have time to soak it all in. I made sure that,

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Speaker 4: of that time because it was a special dude, man oh.

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Speaker 3: Man, And it kind of paint the picture of what

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Speaker 3: you can. You do a lot of traveling. In fact,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So the care Source Invitational I've got really lucky

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited to welcome on our next guest. I

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Speaker 3: It's Ohio State in Indiana for the Big Ten Championships

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Speaker 5: but it's you know, I won't say it will be forgotten,

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Speaker 5: but in the scheme of things, you know, Michigan's important

436
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Speaker 5: in the playoffs, is really important, and this will be

437
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Speaker 5: kind of the one in the middle. But again it's

438
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Speaker 5: one versus two, so it's a pretty cool game.

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Speaker 3: There are some moving parts obviously. Today Brian Hartline, the

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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator wide receivers coaches, has taken the USF head

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Speaker 3: coaching job. What's your reaction to that news today?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was I was surprised, but not surprised. I

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Speaker 5: think we all knew that Brian Hartline, given the success

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Speaker 5: he had as the wide receivers coach and now the

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Speaker 5: offensive quitter coordinator, was going to be moving on. I mean,

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Speaker 5: he had earned it, and so I think that's a

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Speaker 5: really good job for him. You know, people start talking

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Speaker 5: about ten State. I thought, I'm not sure that he's

449
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Speaker 5: quite ready for that. That pressure cooker. He could go

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Speaker 5: down to Tampa. That was funny that South Florida, right

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Speaker 5: at is in Tampa, which is not in southern Florida,

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Speaker 5: you know, the.

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Speaker 6: West side of Florida. But anyway, you know, it's a

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Speaker 6: good program.

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Speaker 5: They're building a new stadium. I think he'll be successful there.

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Speaker 5: Then from there he can make whatever jump he wants. Probably,

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Speaker 5: but you know, it's impossible to keep a guy like

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Speaker 5: that around for too long unless he wants to stay.

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Speaker 5: But he played pro football with the Dolphins, so he's

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Speaker 5: familiar with Florida.

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Speaker 6: I think he'll do a good job down there.

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Speaker 3: For those who maybe aren't up on the latest news,

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Speaker 3: it appears one of the dominoes that has fallen from

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Speaker 3: that is that Chris Henry Junior, one of the top

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Speaker 3: maybe the top wide receiver in the country, had originally

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Speaker 3: said he would sign with Ohio State. He now appears

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Speaker 3: to be his name in play with multiple schools at

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Speaker 3: this moment.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I don't blame them. I tweeted this earlier today.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if you have that kind of news on

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Speaker 5: the day that you are supposed to sign, why wouldn't you,

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Speaker 5: you know, take as much time as you can and

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Speaker 5: figure out, Okay, this is still the school for me.

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Speaker 5: And I asked Ryan Day about he can't talk about

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Speaker 5: players specifically who haven't signed, but his point was essentially,

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Speaker 5: Ohio State is Ohio State. We're going to get somebody good.

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Speaker 5: It's the culture here is strong. I'm sure that's the

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Speaker 5: pitch to Chris Henry. But in this nil era, you know,

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Speaker 5: who knows how much money we'll talk and Ohio States

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Speaker 5: general philosophy is to pay the top guys, and he

481
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Speaker 5: is a top guy. But you know they want guys

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Speaker 5: to earn it before they get the big Nio bucks,

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Speaker 5: and so it'll be very fascinating to see how that develops. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: Ohio State is still a wide receiver you and they're

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Speaker 5: going to get a good wide receiver Seach. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know, Mark Pantoni, the general manager of Ohio State,

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Speaker 5: said probably fifty guys and already sent their resumes to

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Speaker 5: Ryan Day.

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Speaker 6: So he's going to have the pick of the litter.

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Speaker 5: And but I under you know, it's all of a

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Speaker 5: sudden he doesn't have the guy there, and so it

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Speaker 5: makes sense for him to at least take another look

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Speaker 5: at it.

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Speaker 3: On the other side of the ball, with the defense,

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Speaker 3: if you look at this stat sheet and you see

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Speaker 3: ninety three points allowed in twelve games. It almost looks

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Speaker 3: like a misprint, and you said, well, that can't possibly

498
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Speaker 3: be right, but it is. Describe the impact the defensive

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Speaker 3: coordinator Matt Patricia has had in his first season on

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Speaker 3: this team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean ninety three points. It's like two Bengal games.

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Speaker 2: But well done.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I used to cover the Bengal pick a shot.

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Speaker 5: He has done a fantastic job. And there was a

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Speaker 5: lot of skepticism when he was hired because he had

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Speaker 5: framed out as the Lions coach, and there's a lot

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Speaker 5: of question about the fact that how much was he

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Speaker 5: responsible for the Patriots' success on defense versus Belichick legitimately

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Speaker 5: so and and the other thing was he hadn't coached

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Speaker 5: in college for two decades and he really exclusively a

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Speaker 5: the pros. But he's done just an amazing job. I mean,

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Speaker 5: they lost eight defensive starters and they're better than they

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Speaker 5: were last year at helpstep Caleb Bounds for sure, and

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Speaker 5: Sonny Styles for sure at linebacker, and Davis Ligbdos' is

515
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Speaker 5: a good cornerback. But to have eight new starters and

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Speaker 5: play even better than they did last year, that's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 3: Quarterback Julian's saying through I think attempted twelve passes last year.

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Speaker 3: This season he made very well, won the Heisman, completing

519
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Speaker 3: seventy nine percent of his passes, thirty touchdowns, five picks.

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Speaker 3: Aside from the numbers, what has impressed you most about

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Speaker 3: him this season?

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Speaker 6: He is just unfazable. Nothing just bothers.

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Speaker 5: On the second pass of the game against Michigan's intercepted

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Speaker 5: for a lot of guys, especially a red short freshman

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Speaker 5: that could be really really tough to get over, he

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Speaker 5: just went back out there like nothing ever happened. He's

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Speaker 5: just really poised. He's incredibly accurate. He's got a strong arm,

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Speaker 5: but the accuracy is the thing, and the quick release.

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Speaker 5: He also was able to feel the pocket very well. Well,

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Speaker 5: I mean, he can run, but he's you knows, not

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Speaker 5: Will Howard. He's certainly not like a guy like Braxton

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Speaker 5: Miller or just the feels like the like the highest

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Speaker 5: he has had. But he could run well enough. But

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Speaker 5: he's just really good at feeling pressure and being able

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Speaker 5: to roll out and throw on the run. And it's

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Speaker 5: been very impressive. Yeah, I think the I think whoever

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Speaker 5: plays better and whoever's team wins between Ohio State Indiana

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Speaker 5: with Fernando Mendoza is probably going to be the Heisman winner.

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Speaker 3: The book is Buckeye Brotherhood. It's a fabulous read. It

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Speaker 3: would be perfect for the holidays for those who want

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Speaker 3: to get the book. For those who want to read

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Speaker 3: your stuff on substack, tell them how they can go

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Speaker 3: about doing that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Bill Rabinowit's R A, B I, N O,

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Speaker 5: W I t Z dot substack dot com. And it's

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Speaker 5: a very good problem to have, but it's a problem.

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Speaker 5: The book is more or less sold out, at least

548
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Speaker 5: the hardcovers have, so we are working really hard to

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Speaker 5: get more copies than paperbacks coming in. If you subscribe

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Speaker 5: to my substack, I will I will send you a

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Speaker 5: free paperback version of it. If you are a Founder's member,

552
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Speaker 5: which is you know, kind of an upper level, then

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Speaker 5: you can get a free hardcover book from me. I'll

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Speaker 5: sign it and personalize it. Otherwise you can try Barnes

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Speaker 5: Andnoble dot com. You can certainly try some of the

556
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Speaker 5: local bookstores in Columbus in terms of their online site,

557
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Speaker 5: book Loft and Gramarcy Books. Yeah, it's frustrating because you

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Speaker 5: want everybody who wants the book today to be able

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Speaker 5: to get it today.

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Speaker 6: They will have it. We know that.

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Speaker 5: The reason that we kind of went to paperback is

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Speaker 5: you can produce those fast and quick, fast, and you know,

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Speaker 5: and pretty easily.

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Speaker 6: So I think it's it's a matter of days.

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Speaker 5: But again, if you want it for sure, and you

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Speaker 5: want it signed and personalized, I'm come to you know,

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Speaker 5: join my subtech.

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Speaker 7: Hey.

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Speaker 3: I always enjoy our conversations. I always appreciate you making time.

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Speaker 3: I know it's been a hectic day. Thanks for carving

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Speaker 3: out some time tonight. You know you're welcome anytime. And

572
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Speaker 3: congrats on the book and best of luck with it

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Speaker 3: going forward.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate it. Lan, It's always thanks to you. Want

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Speaker 6: to take care, Bill, take care? All right?

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Speaker 3: There you go, Bill Rabinowitz. The substack read is excellent,

577
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Speaker 3: The book is stellar. Buckeye Brotherhood all right still, Hey,

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Speaker 3: Chris Welsh at eight oh six tonight get his reaction

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Speaker 3: to the Emelio Pagan News. How about we hear a

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Speaker 3: little bit from Zach Taylor. Zach Taylor on the Ken

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Speaker 3: Anderson News Today. That and more is we roll on

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Speaker 3: with Arnel Carrier. Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet, seven

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Speaker 3: hundred WLW. Hey, we are cruising right along towards nine

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Speaker 3: o'clock tonight. Nine o'clock would be Dan Carroll time. I

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Speaker 3: do believe plenty to get two between now and then.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Arnold Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk some Bengals before we get into the Reds

588
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Speaker 3: to headline the eight o'clock hour. Don't look now, but

589
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Speaker 3: the Bengals offensive line playing better, saw Joe Goodbarry from

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Speaker 3: Bengals on the Brain tweet this morning. Over the last

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Speaker 3: two games, according to Pro Football Focus grades, the Bengals

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Speaker 3: have had their best run blocking score for a single

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Speaker 3: game since twenty twenty two and their best pass blocking

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Speaker 3: score for a single game since sixteen. Zach Taylor earlier

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Speaker 3: today talked about the old line coming together and part

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Speaker 3: of that being Dalton Reisner has settled in and taken

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Speaker 3: over a right guard for the injured Jalen Rivers. Zach

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Speaker 3: on that offensive line play and the impact of Dalton Reisner.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen, com.

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Speaker 8: Inius leadership experience energy. He's just done a great job.

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Speaker 8: He's he's really a really good example of that room.

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Speaker 8: Because I think you're going to describe every player in

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Speaker 8: that room the same way, and so for Dalton to

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Speaker 8: be the last added piece to that, he just has

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Speaker 8: walked in the door and fit right in. And I'm

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Speaker 8: really happy we have him, have enjoyed him being around

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Speaker 8: and enjoyed the role he's playing for us. But I

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Speaker 8: think he's he's just a great example of what that

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Speaker 8: old line room really is. And it's all great personalities,

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Speaker 8: Guys that love football, guys that really understand, have a

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Speaker 8: high football Q. And so it's it's a good group

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Speaker 8: to be around. They have a lot of confidence, I

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Speaker 8: think the offens so we've got a lot of confidence

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Speaker 8: in the team's got a lot of confidence in them. They

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Speaker 8: played well, But again it's it's the preaching to the

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Speaker 8: whole team right now. It doesn't matter what we did

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Speaker 8: last week. We got to keep doing it over and

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Speaker 8: over again. And so we can't just assume because we

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Speaker 8: did some good things on Thursday night that that's going

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Speaker 8: to care for Sunday. I guys understand that.

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor. Earlier today the Big Bengals News of the day.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Kenny Anderson among the finalist name for the

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Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Zach was asked about Kenny earlier today, take a listen.

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Speaker 8: Kenny Anderson's finals for the whole of the year time.

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Speaker 6: I know he's been before, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: What's been your interaction over the years.

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Speaker 6: Tremendous. A huge fan of Ken Anderson.

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Speaker 8: He's He's always been great to me through good times

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Speaker 8: in bad. He's an example of a guy, you know,

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Speaker 8: when we've struggled, who was there still supporting me, genuinely

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Speaker 8: supporting me and our team and the direction we're headed.

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Speaker 6: And so you.

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Speaker 8: Really, I genuinely appreciate people like that. Ken and I

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Speaker 8: have always had a great relationship through his foundation, through

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Speaker 8: him just coming to practice, through text messages, and so

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Speaker 8: I have done my own research. I mean, he absolutely

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Speaker 8: should have been in the Hall of Fame a long

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Speaker 8: time ago. He should absolutely be in now. I mean

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Speaker 8: statistically he's he's in a better position than a lot

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Speaker 8: of people that are in it. You know, NFL MVP

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Speaker 8: and of the Year, let us team to super Bowl.

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Speaker 8: I mean, all all the great perform at the completion percentage,

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Speaker 8: everything he's done, statistically should he should be in there

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Speaker 8: right now. So this year is the year he absolutely

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Speaker 8: absolutely should be in it. If he's not, then it's e'sicient.

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Speaker 3: Really good stuff from Zach. Earlier today, there was also

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Speaker 3: a high school conversation at Zach's news conference, the fact

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Speaker 3: that Anderson and Saint X are still alive, and Zach

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Speaker 3: talked about those two teams, in fact, the connection that

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Speaker 3: Travis Brammer, their video director, has to that Anderson team.

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Speaker 3: Here's Zach talking to high school football.

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Speaker 8: St X and Anderson playing first state champions the next

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Speaker 8: couple of days.

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Speaker 2: Will needs pulling for both those absolutely.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: You know, Travis Brammer his son played Anderson last year,

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Speaker 8: so I know he still goes a lot of the games.

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Speaker 8: And I've been falling Anderson all year. They have a

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Speaker 8: tremendous team, and I think they're playing the same team

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Speaker 8: they played last year. I'm not mistaken. I know they're

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Speaker 8: proximate five fifty three AM this year. Seven minutes earlier

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Speaker 8: I saw that. So definitely pulling for Anderson, Definitely pulling

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Speaker 8: for Saint X. You know, got a lot of people

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Speaker 8: that I know that are there, and so two great

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Speaker 8: nights of football, you know, Thursday and Friday, and I

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Speaker 8: hope I'm not missing amba else in the area.

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Speaker 6: But those are two teams.

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Speaker 8: That I feel like i've I've really followed over the

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Speaker 8: last couple of years, and great football coming from the

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Speaker 8: Cincinnati area.

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Speaker 6: So be fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's do this. Let's let's put this first

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Speaker 3: hour in the books. Get your check on news. Eight

675
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Speaker 3: o'clock hour will be spent with our leadoff hitter, Chris Welsh.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be in Brookville, Indiana a week from

677
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Speaker 3: tomorrow night the Franklin County Baseball Dinner.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that.

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Speaker 3: It is reaction to Emilio Pegan coming back to the

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Speaker 3: Reds according to the Athletic two years at twenty million,

681
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Speaker 3: with a player option for that second year. I'll ask

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Speaker 3: him about the news that continues to circulate about Kyle

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Speaker 3: Schwarber and some other aspects of this Reds team. You'll

684
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Speaker 3: hear from Richard Patino on the shootout and what it

685
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Speaker 3: means and if the players today understand the significance of

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Speaker 3: the shootout. That in the eight o'clock hour, and I

687
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Speaker 3: think we're gonna have to take some calls as well,

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Speaker 3: so we are action packed. Let's get two it afternoons

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Speaker 3: RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's keep rolling, no reason to slow down

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Speaker 3: at this point eight oh nine. Welcome in on RNL

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Speaker 3: Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm Lance pcal Lester.

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Speaker 3: How about some Reds based you know and you love

695
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Speaker 3: Our next guest as a longtime Reds analyst on TV

696
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Speaker 3: and in the radio booth for over the past thirty

697
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Speaker 3: three seasons, he's going to be the featured speaker at

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Speaker 3: the annual Franklin County Baseball Dinner coming up Thursday night

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Speaker 3: in Brookville, Indiana. A night of food, fun and fundraising

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Speaker 3: and talking baseball. It is a pleasure to welcome in.

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Speaker 3: Chris Welsh, how are you.

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Speaker 7: Lance, Lance? Great to talk to you anytime I can

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Speaker 7: talk to you. And there's snow on the ground. I

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Speaker 7: mean that's that's a good thing, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's even like some hot stove news to

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Speaker 3: melt the snow.

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Speaker 2: Tonight.

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Speaker 3: Our guy see Trend has reported that the Reds have

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Speaker 3: reaching agreement on a two year, twenty million dollar deal

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Speaker 3: with Emilio Pegan. The second year of player option your

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Speaker 3: instant reaction.

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Speaker 9: A great move, really good move.

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Speaker 7: I was kind of distressed to think that he was

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Speaker 7: going to be gone, be honest with you. You know,

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Speaker 7: he's an interesting guy. He had a tough twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 7: He was injured, his velocity dropped down, he just didn't

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Speaker 7: feel well. I think he had a lap problem that

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Speaker 7: he really never did heal from. And then last year,

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Speaker 7: you know, his velocity bumped up as high as it was.

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Speaker 9: In his entire career.

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Speaker 7: So here he was thirty four years old, throwing as

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Speaker 7: hard as he ever did before.

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Speaker 9: His splitter was really good last year.

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Speaker 7: I think hit or sit like a buck twenty off

725
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Speaker 7: of it or something like that. And you know, for

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Speaker 7: all the worry that the people had about signing him

727
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Speaker 7: to a small ballpark like Great American and you know, Flyball,

728
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Speaker 7: it didn't work out like that. He was solid guy

729
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Speaker 7: and he's really solid in the clubhouse, super leader.

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Speaker 9: I'm delighted that.

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Speaker 2: He's back now.

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Speaker 3: The other news, Ken Rosen, everybody from Ken Rosenthal to

733
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Speaker 3: John Hayman writing at the Reds are quote serious about

734
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Speaker 3: Kyle Schwerber, that Kyle is at least willing to listen.

735
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Speaker 3: What would you what would you say to us, dropping

736
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Speaker 3: Kyle Schwerber in the middle of that Reds line up,

737
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Speaker 3: Chris Welsh, it would.

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Speaker 7: Change a little bit, would I mean, you know, he

739
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Speaker 7: was kind of the missing link. In fact, there are

740
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Speaker 7: a lot of teams that could use him right in

741
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Speaker 7: the middle of the order, obviously, and the Reds, hopefully,

742
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Speaker 7: you know, are on the trail and you know they've

743
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Speaker 7: got a lot of things going for them and trying

744
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Speaker 7: to resign him. But you know, it's one of those

745
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Speaker 7: things where you need a guy who puts a little

746
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Speaker 7: bit of fear in the opposing pictures.

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Speaker 9: And the Reds didn't had that guy. I mean, they

748
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Speaker 9: had good.

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Speaker 7: Players, They had versatle players, guys who could play all

750
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Speaker 7: over the place. Some of them could put the ball

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Speaker 7: in play, some of us struck out a little bit.

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Speaker 7: But if you put Schwarbur in there, when you're a pitcher,

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Speaker 7: you know where he is in the batting order? I mean,

754
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Speaker 7: is he on the deck circle? Is he in double deck?

755
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 7: You know, do I have to face the next inning?

756
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Speaker 7: Managers feel the same way when they're plotting out the

757
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 7: late part of the game. Where is Schwarber And because

758
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 7: he can change a game on a swing so it

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00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 7: would be great. Certainly, I'm you know, optimistic, but I'm

760
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Speaker 7: tempering that a little bit because, you know, the free

761
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 7: agent market is a crazy thing.

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Speaker 9: It's very unpredictable, no doubt, no.

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Speaker 3: Doubt they and they have some work to do. I

764
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Speaker 3: want to go back to the bullpen. They still have

765
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Speaker 3: some work to do to rebuild that bullpen, Chris. Why

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Speaker 3: are the performances of relievers so seemingly volatile one year

767
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Speaker 3: to the next. Why are they so hard to figure

768
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Speaker 3: out and know what to count on and who to

769
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Speaker 3: count on year to year?

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean it's not only with the Reds, but

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Speaker 7: it's everybody. And I think that because everybody, I think nowadays,

772
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Speaker 7: lance is being evaluated according to numbers.

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Speaker 9: You know, how hard do you throw.

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Speaker 7: How hard is your slider? How many times you get

775
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Speaker 7: twings and misses? What is your soft contact?

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Speaker 9: You know?

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Speaker 7: The last thing that I think teams look at nowadays

778
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 7: are earned run averages and wins and losses and even

779
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Speaker 7: number of saves and holds and things like that. Those

780
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 7: statistics are out the door now. Everything that they're looking

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Speaker 7: at is being grabbed by a high speed camera or

782
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Speaker 7: some kind of an analytical machine that is breaking down

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Speaker 7: the pitch, you know, the stin the axis of the pitch,

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Speaker 7: the release point. Here's something for you. Here's one thing

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Speaker 7: that made Emilio Pegan soo good and deceptive. He throws

786
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Speaker 7: ninety six miles an hour, but he's six feet two

787
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Speaker 7: inches tall. When he releases the ball to home plate,

788
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Speaker 7: he's almost six feet nine inches tall. You you know,

789
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Speaker 7: six inches of extension, and that's six inches sneaks up

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Speaker 7: on the hitter. Those are the kind of things that teams.

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Speaker 9: Are looking for nowadays.

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Speaker 7: And I think the reason the teams are up and

793
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Speaker 7: their players are up and down, pitchers especially is because

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Speaker 7: you know, they're chasing the unhittable pitch and they're trying

795
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 7: to throw it so hard and snap it off so

796
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 7: hard that they lose the consistency around the strike zone.

797
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Speaker 7: And if you're wild or outside of the drug zone,

798
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 7: you're going to be wild inside the strike zone and

799
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Speaker 7: those guys get hit. So it's as simple as that.

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Speaker 7: That's why it's very hard to predict pitchers, especially relief pitchers.

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Speaker 3: I wonder Tony Santion was really good last year, but

802
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: he was really worked last year eighty appearances. How much

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00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 3: concern do you have about the carryover effect into the

804
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: next season after a workload like that.

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Speaker 9: There's a lot of worry about that.

806
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Speaker 7: I mean, well, once a guy gets to about seventy

807
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 7: games a year and how he's worked and so on,

808
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 7: you see fewer and fewer relievers wanting to take the

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Speaker 7: ball down the.

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Speaker 9: Road when they've been they've been used like that.

811
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Speaker 7: I mean, their agents are now telling them that, hey,

812
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Speaker 7: you know, you shut it down until you know, the

813
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 7: month of August because you know you're coming up on

814
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 7: free agency and you can't afford to go seventy five

815
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 7: games this year. They're going to use you. They know

816
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 7: you're going to be a free agent. This is not

817
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 7: Tony Santin. This is in general. So this is the

818
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 7: one thing that's going on kind of behind the scenes

819
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 7: in baseball that's very disturbing, where you're getting pitchers that

820
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 7: are healthy who are not pitching because they're afraid they're

821
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 7: going to miss the big pay day when they become

822
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 7: a creation er and they get an arbitration. So you know,

823
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Speaker 7: Santio is a team player. He's a guy that went

824
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Speaker 7: out there time and time again. He went out there,

825
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 7: you know, on fumes many times and I think that

826
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 7: he's going to be well rested.

827
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Speaker 9: He's a big dude, man.

828
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Speaker 7: I mean, he's a big, burly bull out and I

829
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Speaker 7: love him. And I don't think other hitters like to

830
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Speaker 7: sit in the sit in the batters box against him either.

831
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Speaker 3: Are you bullish on a bounce back from Matt McLain

832
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Speaker 3: this coming season?

833
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I am.

834
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Speaker 6: I think that.

835
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Speaker 7: You know, he had a really serious shoulder injury. I

836
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 7: think the expectations for Matt McClain were way.

837
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Speaker 9: Out of whack at the beginning of the year last year.

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Speaker 7: I really do now really for me, Matt McClain, he

839
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 7: has to be for simple. He just got to fix

840
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 7: a couple of things at the plate. Number one, he's

841
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Speaker 7: got to stop chasing the high pitch. If he stopped

842
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 7: doing that, you're going to bring the ball down in

843
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Speaker 7: order for him. He's got a small strike zone. He's

844
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Speaker 7: a little dude right highwives. He's a big, strong, early kid,

845
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Speaker 7: but he's he's not real tall, so it's a nice

846
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,959
Speaker 7: compact strike zone. He's got to make the strike zone

847
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 7: his friend rather than his foe. And he started chasing

848
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Speaker 7: things all over outside of the zone, and you know,

849
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Speaker 7: you pitch him in with fastballs.

850
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Speaker 9: You pitch him away with sliders the age Wle way.

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Speaker 7: Of doing it, and that was the way they got

852
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Speaker 7: him out last year. Once he figures that out, you know,

853
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 7: he's a speedy kid. He's got a great arm. He

854
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Speaker 7: wants to play. He's got this burning desire inside him,

855
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Speaker 7: and that's probably the thing that I like the most.

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Speaker 3: You are the featured speaker at the annual Franklin County

857
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Speaker 3: Baseball Dinner coming up next Thursday night. Are you excited

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Speaker 3: to be in Brookville, Indiana for a big night of

859
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: talking baseball?

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Speaker 7: I am, indeed and not doing that, but I'm going

861
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Speaker 7: to see my old battery mate who ended up being

862
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 7: a Reds manager, and Dave Miley. It was Miles that

863
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Speaker 7: called me and he got me over there.

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Speaker 9: He's involved with that program over there.

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Speaker 7: And it's going to be a lot of fun. It's

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Speaker 7: not big fancy dinnering. I think they're doing pizza and

867
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Speaker 7: the salads and things like this. But I'm going to

868
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Speaker 7: give a good talk about, you know, about the Reds,

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Speaker 7: maybe had some broadcasting and some history, maybe some jokes

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Speaker 7: mixed in, and I'll tell you, and I'll to everybody

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Speaker 7: that shows up. If you don't like my speech, I'll

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Speaker 7: almost get your money back, so you can't beat that.

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Speaker 3: Love it if you want a ticket information, Chris has

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Speaker 3: information on his X feet at Think Pitch. I've also

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Speaker 3: reposted it as well on x atlance Percallister. Hey, it

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00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 3: is great catching up with you. Love talking baseball with you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for making time tonight.

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Speaker 9: All right, Lace, anytime talk baseball with you. It's always

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Speaker 9: a fun thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Chris, Take care, okay, buddy, all right, there you go.

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Speaker 3: Chris Welsh talking baseball doing it. Thursday night, Dave Miley.

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00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: I got a text from Dave. Why Miley reads my

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Speaker 3: random thoughts each week that I post at seven hundred

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Speaker 3: which I love, and we go back and forth. And

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Speaker 3: he gave me a suggestion on a place to eat.

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Speaker 3: Trying to pull it up on my phone. Now this

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Speaker 3: is good radio. Hold on, see if I can find

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Speaker 3: it on my phone. Here it is. He told me

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Speaker 3: that Kelly and I must go to the best chicken

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Speaker 3: in Indiana, Saint Leon's Tavern. In fact, he says Murty

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Speaker 3: and Amanda would vouch for that as well. So I'm

893
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Speaker 3: gonna have to hit Saint Leon Tavern for the Fried Chicken.

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00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: Thanks to Dave Miley. I love what I love texting

895
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: back and forth with him. All right, let's do this.

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Speaker 3: Let's open up the phones. I want to talk some Reds.

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Speaker 3: Why we headlined the hour with Chris Welsh. There's news

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Speaker 3: on Emilio Pagan. There's news on Kyle Schwarber. Let's go

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Speaker 3: board and presenting the podcast. Okay, here's the news of

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Speaker 3: the day. Just as the show was beginning at seven o'clock,

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Speaker 3: see Trent Rosecrans of The Athletic reporting the Reds a

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00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 3: Emilio Pagan have reached agreement on a two year, twenty

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00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 3: million dollar contract. According to the report, there is an

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00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 3: option after the first year that is a Emilio Pagan option,

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Speaker 3: So he gets the first year and then that second

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Speaker 3: year he can pick up the option or he could

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Speaker 3: opt out. Two years twenty million in the ballpark of

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Speaker 3: what the now on the closer rate this offseason, it's

926
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Speaker 3: kind of skyrocketed if you've seen the money. And Bob

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00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: Nightingale reported that the Reds were had also been interested

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Speaker 3: in Devin Williams, the former Yankees and Brewers closer who

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Speaker 3: signed with the Mets this week. So the Reds get

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Speaker 3: Pegan two years twenty million. He's got an option for

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Speaker 3: that second year, and that's a rather significant piece for

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00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 3: a bullpen that has to be rebuilt. Scott Barlow's option decline,

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Speaker 3: Brent Suter's option decline. I wouldn't mind seeing either one

934
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Speaker 3: of them come back. Nick Martinez is gone. Taylor Rogers,

935
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: of course, was traded during the season, so Pegan comes

936
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Speaker 3: back to go with Tony Santion and.

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Speaker 2: A few others.

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Speaker 3: But clearly that is one of the one of the

939
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Speaker 3: big points of this offseason rebuilding, reconstructing that bullpen. Now,

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Speaker 3: what I find very interesting in this story from The

941
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Speaker 3: Athletic is this single sentence from Sea track Ready. He writes,

942
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Speaker 3: it is the first step by the Reds towards reconstructing

943
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: their bullpen as they continue their pursuit of Kyle Schwarber. Wait,

944
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: let me go back and read that it is the

945
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Speaker 3: first step by the Reds towards reconstructing their bullpen as

946
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Speaker 3: they also continue their pursuit of Kyle Schwarber. That ties

947
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Speaker 3: in with the other story of the day from Ken

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Speaker 3: Rosenthal of The Athletic to John Hayman of New York

949
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Speaker 3: Post and MLB Network, both writing about the Reds. Serious,

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00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 3: that's the word serious. Interest in Kyle Schwarber and his

951
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 3: interest in possibly coming home. I will read to you

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Speaker 3: from the Athletic Today quote the Reds are serious about

953
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Speaker 3: signing Kyle Schworber. Whether they can actually pull off such

954
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: an upset is another matter. Entirely, Schwarber is interested in

955
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Speaker 3: a possible homecoming, according to people briefed on his thinking.

956
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Speaker 3: He goes on to write as Ken Rosenthal, the Reds

957
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Speaker 3: offer him the chance to transform their young lineup and

958
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Speaker 3: play for one of the one of the game's most

959
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Speaker 3: respected managers, Terry Francona. The problem for the Reds that

960
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: the Phillies almost certainly will offer Schwarber more money. We'll

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Speaker 3: get into that in what remains of this hour as well.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into your calls in Fairfield, Andy. You were

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Speaker 3: on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Alance, real quickcase.

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Speaker 10: I know you're up against the clock here, but I

966
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Speaker 10: listened to way too much MLB network and I wake

967
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Speaker 10: up to it and Steve, Steve Phillips, this morning was

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Speaker 10: all over. He said, I don't care what you have

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Speaker 10: to do the Reds Andee Schwarber, now is the time,

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Speaker 10: or his words, with the starting pitching we have, with

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Speaker 10: the young players we have he said, you basically have

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Speaker 10: to do whatever it takes to get Shworber. If you

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Speaker 10: have to offer him five years what everybody else was

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Speaker 10: given him four, you do it and you don't worry

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Speaker 10: about the rest of it.

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Speaker 6: You'll make the money up in the long run.

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Speaker 10: And if they do it and they pay him one

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Speaker 10: point fifty fifty million for five years, I don't know

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Speaker 10: if that Shoorbert territory. I promise I won't call in

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00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 10: twenty twenty nine complaining that we spend too much money on.

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Speaker 3: Shorebur Yeah, I know, I know what you're saying. I mean,

982
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: the planets and stars are aligning. You've got the pitching,

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Speaker 3: You've got young guys, and I'll pull out the old

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00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: adage you got to spend money to make money. And

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00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: I'd like to see, for once this organization make a

986
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Speaker 3: bet and say we think he can be a big

987
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 3: enough impact on our lineup and on our fan base,

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00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 3: we will earn the money back and beyond. We're rolling

989
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Speaker 3: the dice. Let's do this right.

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Speaker 10: And I got to say how much, and I'll let

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00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 10: you go after I gets your opinion on it. How

992
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 10: much is the francona factor? I'm getting him here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the call. I I appreciate you checking out.

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00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 3: I think it certainly helps. I mean, if you are,

995
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Speaker 3: if you're Kyle Shoorber, who wouldn't want to play for?

996
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: And I was I was listening to Spencer Steer earlier

997
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 3: on the on the Red Hot Stove talking about what

998
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: it's like playing for Terry Francona and the respect he

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00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: has and when he talks people listen, and man, if

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Speaker 3: you're Kyle Schwarber, if you're anybody, and let's start adding

1001
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: this up, going home, playing for Terry Francona, playing for

1002
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: a team on the up, on the rise, arrow pointing

1003
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 3: up in a ballpark, conducive.

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00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: To your abilities.

1005
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 3: Now again, I'm I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer,

1006
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: but I file this under I'll believe it when I

1007
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: see it. It just it hasn't been how they operated

1008
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: and if cretainly hasn't been anywhere near their history from

1009
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 3: a free agent signing standpoint. But that doesn't mean I

1010
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 3: wouldn't be excited about it. Let's talk more about that.

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00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: Plenty of ground to cover between now and then. I'm

1016
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: on X Atlance Pacallister. I would be honored if you

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Speaker 3: follow to Long You can keep track of what's going

1018
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: on on the show. You can contribute to the show,

1019
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: join in on our conversations and our discussions during the show,

1020
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: and so much more at Lance Pacallister on X. All Right,

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00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: before we get back into the Reds, I want to

1022
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Speaker 3: give you a little bit on the Crossdown shootout Friday night,

1023
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,479
Speaker 3: seven thirty right here on seven hundred WILW with Dan

1024
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: and with Terry in the UC broadcast Xavier Call of

1025
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 3: course on fifty five care see. The Wes Miller Show

1026
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 3: is tomorrow night. Following us on the Roundtable Show, I'm

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00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 3: with Rocky at Long Necks in Wilder Where at Wilder

1028
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: for the rest of the year, throughout the regular season

1029
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 3: and the playoff run, we will be at the Wilder

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00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 3: Long Necks. Hope to see us. Stop by tomorrow night

1031
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 3: and say hi. At eight o'clock tomorrow night, It'll be

1032
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: the Wes Miller Show. You'll get plenty of reaction and

1033
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: breakdown of the shootout from a UC standpoint, how about

1034
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 3: Xavier reaction? Now, Richard Patino first year in this thing,

1035
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 3: and I met with the media earlier today, and of

1036
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 3: course the question is, you know, preparation for a game

1037
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: like this, the emotions involved in a game like this.

1038
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: Listen to what Richard Patino said about the prep and

1039
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 3: the emotions involved in the Crossdown shootout.

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Speaker 11: As boring as it sounds, on a day to day,

1041
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 11: we approach it, you know, like any other game. With

1042
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 11: that being said, you know, we know how passionate our

1043
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 11: fan base is. We know how passionate their fan base is.

1044
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 11: We're all so close together, so we totally respect the

1045
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 11: rivalry and you know the amazing tradition that the game has.

1046
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 11: Our guys know it, you know, But on a day

1047
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 11: to day we're not working any harder.

1048
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 6: I can promise you. You see, he is doing the

1049
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 6: same thing.

1050
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 11: I don't try to make a bigger deal of it

1051
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 11: as we're scouting, as we're preparing than we would any

1052
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 11: other opponent. But everybody knows the gravity of the game

1053
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 11: on both sides.

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00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: You know, we we long for the good old day

1055
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 3: a lot and certainly when it comes to a game

1056
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: like this and Huggins and Gillan and no handshake and

1057
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: hugs and the black hat approach to a game like this.

1058
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 3: And I'm always fascinated by as long as I've been

1059
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 3: here since ninety seven, I'm always fascinated by how the

1060
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: new coaches, what they say going into a game like this,

1061
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: and what they say coming out of a game like

1062
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 3: this after they experience for the first time, because you

1063
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: can be told about it, but not until you're actually

1064
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 3: in it, does it.

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Speaker 2: Really hit you.

1066
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Speaker 3: I remember having this conversation with that when he was

1067
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: at Xavier of what he thought going in versus in

1068
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: that moment that like, holy crap, this thing is intense.

1069
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 3: Listen to what Richard Patino said earlier today when asked

1070
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Speaker 3: about if he has researched the history of this, if

1071
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: he's attempted to teach his players about the crossdown shootout.

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Speaker 11: No, I'm treating it like I would any other game.

1073
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 11: I mean, these are guys. They don't care about what

1074
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 11: happened in nineteen eighty. I wish they would, but they're young.

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Speaker 11: They're young players. I mean, they don't you know what

1076
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 11: we taught we don't talk about, oh, ten years ago,

1077
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Speaker 11: this is what happened.

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Speaker 2: Those guys just don't care. I mean, that's this young generation.

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Speaker 11: What we just talk about is how can we beat

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00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 11: uc which is going to be a very, very tough task. Again,

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00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 11: I don't want to like gloss over it like it's

1082
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 11: not a big deal. It's certainly a big game and

1083
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 11: a huge opportunity for us in the building. But what

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00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 11: happened in the past that would just totally blow over

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Speaker 11: their heads.

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Speaker 3: Richard Patino earlier today, and that's kind of the reality

1087
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: of today, certainly in college basketball. He Zavier's got twelve

1088
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 3: new guys. Who knows about shootout? Turnover on both teams,

1089
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: turnovers on every team. In college basketball, there isn't the

1090
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: ingrained grow year to year, spend three or four five

1091
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: years in a program, us play summer ball against the

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00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: other guys, and then go to b on the shootout

1093
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: and it's knocked down, drag out. I'm not saying it

1094
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: will be emotionless on Friday night, but it's just it's

1095
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: just different. It's not going to go back to the

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00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 3: way many want the shootout to be. Man there have

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00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 3: been some moments, Holy cow, have been there have been

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Speaker 3: some moments. Listen to Richard earlier today when he was

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00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: asked about, you know, if he prepares his team for

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Speaker 3: the emotions that are coming Friday night at Centas Center.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I think whether it's at Iowa home,

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00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 11: we don't make a big deal out of the external

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00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 11: things that we can't control. Like do our players know

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00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 11: that it's going to be a big crowd in the

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Speaker 11: sentas And of course they do, you know, I mean

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Speaker 11: they're all on.

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Speaker 2: Social media and all those things.

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Speaker 11: But what would I say to them, Oh, there, it's

1109
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 11: gonna be sold out, and it's gonna be I mean,

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00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 11: you got to play the right way, regardless of an

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00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 11: empty arena on the road, neutral site sold out, Like,

1112
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 11: you gotta play the way we're doing. So, you know,

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00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 11: maybe you talk to them about don't let your emotions

1114
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 11: take over and things like that, you know, just try

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00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 11: to lock in on the next play.

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Speaker 3: I would submit. It is one thing to say that,

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00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 3: and it's one thing to say whether it's playing at

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00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 3: Iowa or a neutral I get saying it. I think

1119
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 3: until you live it, you don't understand it. And I

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00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 3: think that will be for him and players on both

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00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: sides because in that moment Thursday night, when the ball

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00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: goes up, the emotions and the electricity in that place.

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Speaker 3: And I've heard Richard defer a lot of the shootout

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Speaker 3: this week too, how much it means to the fans.

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Speaker 2: There's no question about what it means to the fans.

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Speaker 4: I just.

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Speaker 3: Wait till Friday night. If there's any player on either

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00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: side that wonders about the vibe for.

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Speaker 2: This game is what I would say. All right, back

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00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 2: to the Reds.

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00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: I thought about this on Amelio Pagan and the contract

1132
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 3: two years twenty million, Okay, doable. I mean if you

1133
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: look at the market right now this offseason in free agency,

1134
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 3: the closer market blown up. I mean Devin Williams signed

1135
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 3: for three years forty five million. I think it bumped

1136
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: up to fifty one. Three years fifty one with the Mets,

1137
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 3: Ryan Helsley of the Orioles two years twenty eight. Raycella

1138
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: Galacia has resigned with the Braves one year sixteen. The

1139
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 3: Reds get Pegan for two years at twenty and it's

1140
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 3: a player option for the second year. Now, I'm not

1141
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 3: saying he's Devin Williams or Ryan Helsley or rycellagalasis, but

1142
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 3: there's no question he's good. My only hesitation with Emelio

1143
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 3: Pagan and this is what I said. This was one

1144
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 3: of our questions the offseason. My hesitation with Pegan is twofold.

1145
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 3: One part of me wonders, if not fears, they've already

1146
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 3: got the best out of Amelia Pegan. He's thirty five.

1147
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 3: He had a career year. That makes me leary of

1148
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 3: paying him for what's to come.

1149
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: That's more.

1150
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 3: You know, what he did is one thing, but this

1151
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: organization's got to pay on what he's going to do.

1152
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying he's gonna blow up.

1153
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: I'm just saying his track record is that was his

1154
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: best season, and there have been It's kind of been

1155
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: a roller coaster, a bit spotty at times. And earned

1156
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 3: run average was two eighty eight. He struck out thirty

1157
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 3: percent of batters. He did blow six saves. The deeper

1158
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 3: metrics FIP, which is fielding independent pit is kind of

1159
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: a complicated thing, indicates he got a little lucky. His

1160
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 3: earned run average should have been about a run higher almost.

1161
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 3: That's a little bit of a concern, But two years

1162
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 3: twenty million is not outrage, is my other thought, and

1163
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 3: especially considering he probably opts out after the first year.

1164
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 3: So one year at ten now that's not that's not

1165
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 3: going to break a bank. But the other part of

1166
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 3: the equation that I wonder about. We were told their

1167
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 3: payroll was going to be similar to last year, and

1168
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: that leaves them in the neighborhood of about twenty million

1169
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 3: to play with this season. So if you've given ten

1170
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 3: million to Pegan right out of the shoot with your

1171
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: first signing, by that theory, my butler math says, you've

1172
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 3: got ten million left.

1173
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: So how's that gonna work?

1174
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: Because you still need that elusive bat Air quotes a

1175
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: couple of more relievers and to round out this roster.

1176
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not against Pegant two years twenty million.

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00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 3: I think that's that's doable, But I wonder what it

1178
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 3: leaves them in terms of work to do and money

1179
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: to spend doing that. I'm fascinated by that line by C.

1180
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 3: Trent and Ken Rosenthal that the line was reconstruct the

1181
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 3: bullpen and continue their pursuit of Kyle Schwarber. It didn't

1182
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: say they've signed Emilia Pegan two years twenty million, all

1183
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 3: but closing the door on spending for the roster the

1184
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 3: rest of the off season, or limiting them to just

1185
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 3: ten million to play with the rest of the off season.

1186
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 3: It said to continue their pursuit of Kyle Schwarber. So

1187
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 3: what are we to take that to mean that they

1188
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 3: might be ready to swing and swing big beyond what

1189
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 3: Nick Krawl was initially told. Has there been a recalculation,

1190
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 3: reconfiguring a thought that well, you know what, if we

1191
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 3: run it back at the same payroll, we're not going

1192
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 3: to be good enough. And how are our fans going

1193
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 3: to respond to that in terms of tickets and support?

1194
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 3: You know, the Athletic predicts Schwarber gets five years, one

1195
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: hundred and forty five million. That's the projection from the

1196
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 3: Athletic five years, one hundred and forty five million. That's

1197
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: just under thirty million a year. And Nick said they

1198
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 3: had about twenty million to spend. So how does the

1199
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 3: math work? Rosenthal writes. Schwarber, coming off a career high

1200
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 3: fifty six home run season, will cost considerably more than

1201
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 3: that annually, and the Reds would still need to fortify

1202
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 3: their bullpen. They could trade utility man Gavin Lux, projected

1203
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 3: to earn five million in arbitration, and maybe another player

1204
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 3: in a similar range salary, But unless they made an

1205
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 3: exception for Schwarber, it's difficult to see how they can

1206
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,959
Speaker 3: make the finances work. That's why I say I believe

1207
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 3: it when I see it. Rosenthal goes on to write, Schwarber,

1208
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: who turns thirty three in March, is probably looking at

1209
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 3: his last big contract. He's unlikely to give the Reds

1210
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 3: much of a hometown discount, if any, and expect the

1211
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 3: Mets and the Red Sox and others to be involved

1212
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 3: the Reds appeal. He writes, Well, they improve from seventy

1213
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 3: seven to eighty three wins under Francona. With the exception

1214
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 3: of Brady Singer. Every member of their talented rotation is

1215
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 3: under team control beyond this season, and most of their

1216
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 3: best position players are under control through at least twenty

1217
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 3: twenty eight. Stick Schoorber in that lineup as the DH

1218
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 3: and the entire group might take off, writes Ken Rosenthal.

1219
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 3: Over the past four seasons, the how many players have

1220
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 3: hit more home runs than Schworber one Aaron Judge, and

1221
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 3: Rosenthal concludes in The Athletic Today, to the Reds, it's

1222
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 3: all rather tantalizing Schworber, as much as he loves playing

1223
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 3: for the Phillies, probably is intrigued.

1224
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: Two.

1225
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 3: But in free agency, sentiment rarely carries the day. Money

1226
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 3: matters most, and it's difficult to foresee the Reds coming

1227
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 3: up with enough they would have to change the way

1228
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 3: they do business. The most they've ever spent on an

1229
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 3: outside free agent in the history of the franchise. Hear

1230
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 3: me when I say this, forget about Junior Junior. They

1231
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 3: traded for the most money they have given somebody else's

1232
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 3: free agent to come here, sixty four million dollars. That

1233
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 3: was to Mike Mustakas, and that was to Nick Costianos.

1234
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 3: And the Costianos deal came with an opt out for

1235
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 3: him after the second year, which he did. So you're

1236
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 3: you're talking of, if you if you really believe they're

1237
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 3: going to change their mo Do you believe they're going

1238
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 3: to go from giving Mustakas sixty four million and Costiano's

1239
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 3: sixty four million and suddenly say yeah, let's go for it.

1240
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 3: Let's swing big, Kyle Schwarber, here's five years, one hundred

1241
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 3: and fifty million.

1242
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 2: Again.

1243
01:02:54,160 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 3: I will believe it when I see it. It's fun,

1244
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 3: it's exciting, it's like offseason fantasy baseball conversation.

1245
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to see it.

1246
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 3: If I could use the Marvin Lewis I see better

1247
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 3: than I hear down the stretch, We'll go. RNL Carrier

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Speaker 3: Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevale seven hundred WLW. Hey

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Speaker 3: shout out to Cyclones forward Ryan Kerwin. He is the

1250
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Speaker 3: ECHL Rookie of the Month, first Cyclone to be awarded

1251
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Month in the ECHL since Joe Howe

1252
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 3: in January of the twenty thirteen to twenty fourteen season.

1253
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 3: Kerwin is twenty three years old. He leads all ECHL

1254
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Speaker 3: rookies with nine goals. He's got eight assists, leads the

1255
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Speaker 3: Cyclones in goals. He's second in points. He is currently

1256
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 3: on assignment from the Toronto Merleys of the AHL. The

1257
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 3: way he's playing, he will not be here long. Cyclones

1258
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 3: are rolling now. They're second in the division, climbing the standings.

1259
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 3: They're five and one in overtime, most overtime wins in

1260
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 3: the EHL, two more than anybody else. They are in

1261
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Speaker 3: Indy to take on the Indie Fuel on Friday Night.

1262
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 3: Ryan Kerwin, you're ECHL Rookie of the Month and this

1263
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Speaker 3: date in sports, let's go with a Cincinnati note. This

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01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 3: date in nineteen eighty nine, Bengals beat the Browns twenty

1265
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 3: one zip in Cleveland, the Bengals first shutout in nine

1266
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 3: years spanning one hundred and forty eight games. Tim McGee

1267
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 3: holding a thirty eight yard touchdown pass from Boomer on

1268
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 3: a flea flicker that included James Brooks. With that, I

1269
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 3: am done and we got a lot in tonight. I

1270
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: still could have used the third hour, but we got

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Speaker 3: a lot in tonight. Thanks to Joe one L four producing.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to you for taking a Listen again. Podcast available

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01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 3: shortly Brandon Seo from the Mental Game podcast Bill Rabinowitz

1274
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 3: on the Buckeyes. Bill said, let's do it again in

1275
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 3: the playoff run, I said, absolutely, Chris Welsh talking Reds,

1276
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 3: and you heard from Richard Patino as well. Let's hear

1277
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: some news and then Dan Carroll. This has been Arnel

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Speaker 3: Carrier Sports to presented by Kelsey Chervellet seven hundred WLW