1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: Coaching for the Ages Leader fan Fan Radio Network and 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: k f a N dot Com. Two minutes ten seconds 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: past the hour of three o'clock Central Standard time. It 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: is a Tuesday edition of the highly combustible, occasionally controversial 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Bumper to Bumper program on a calm before the frostbite 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: NOMI weekday afternoon here in the twin cities of Minneapolis 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: and Saint Paul. My name is Dan Barrero. I host 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: the program. Guards He eventually will be back to produce, 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: but he is still at tracking. I think going to 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: go over women's basketball. So for the third consecutive day, 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: it's Brett blakemore in that chair that goes back to 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: your usual bit on Sunday sermons. Correct, Yes, and you're 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: with us again tomorrow you tell me yep, apparently Cage 14 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: that is true. Good reminder. We will be doing Thursday 15 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: our first Cage Target Center Cage location. I mean it's 16 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: a monster rivalry. And when you think NBA rivalries, do 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: you not think Bulls, Timberwolves. I think we all do. 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: So we will be there Thursday. Got a good guest 19 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: lineup already kind of percolating and coming together. More on 20 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: that as we get a little later into the week. 21 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: The bratch On Brian Kiffan text line remains open, rebooted 22 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: at six four six eight six. I promise you I 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: am not going to turn this program into a and 24 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: it is a three hour tour today leading into wild 25 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: Hockey into Who's Your Hotline? I can't ignore it. I 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: don't think I'm doing my job as a talk show 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: host if I'm not covering a remarkable story. So it 28 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: will be interspersed, it will be part of what we do, 29 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: regardless of what the school involved. Was a school that 30 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: I attended and graduated from and started my graduate school 31 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: unsuccessful master's dissertation, no master's I guess I could say 32 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: more than dissertation, didn't complete the master's program. Yeah, it 33 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: means something a little extra for me. It's this got 34 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: for me very much a local angle based on where 35 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: I went to school and where I grew up, et cetera. 36 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: But I'm going to do my best to make much 37 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: of the first hour of the program more inclusive, even 38 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: if you're not as interested as many people are. On 39 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: what or four o'clock in studio, guest believes, and I 40 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: don't disagree with him, is the best college football story 41 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: in one hundred years. I don't think that's hyperbole. I 42 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: don't think that's recency biased. What ultimately was culminated in 43 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: a national championship for Indiana, there's not anything that can 44 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: quite compare to it. That said, maybe we can include 45 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: others who don't want to hear about Indiana's football run 46 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: any longer, or they aren't interested in a three and 47 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: a half three hour tour about it, maybe we can 48 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: entice them with this. If you take as a given 49 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: that Kurt Signett's run at Indiana University through two years 50 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: is one of the greatest, if not the greatest coaching 51 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: job that has ever been done in team sports, college 52 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: or pro, what other ones do we put in that 53 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: mix to go along with it? And again, this isn't 54 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: about the greatest coaches of all time. This is about 55 00:03:54,640 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: the greatest coaching sequence of all time, because obviously you 56 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: got to do it. As historic as the run has 57 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: been for Signetti in Indiana, he's got to do it 58 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: a lot longer. Before you get into I think the 59 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: conversations of among you know, the new Rockney's, the Nick 60 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: Sabans of the world in college and same in whether 61 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about hockey, or we're talking about pro basketball, 62 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: or we're talking about baseball. I'm not here to do 63 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: the old who's the greatest, Who are the greatest coaches 64 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: of all time and managers of all time. I'm interested 65 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: in the greatest coaching runs or greatest coaching performances over 66 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: a shorter period. It could be a season. If it's 67 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: three in a row for Mike Yo, I guess you 68 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: can't argue with that. But that's what fascinates me today 69 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: and I think can bring more people in, maybe people 70 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: who are a little bit more interested in other sports 71 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: about what else should be in the mix. I got 72 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: a hold of a story via the ringer attempted, probably 73 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: very analytically, to sort of, you know, try to put 74 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: all this in perspective and compare and contrast. He what 75 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: Signetti did with some other all time great again coaching 76 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: performances over a given stretch of time, and the writer 77 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: writes that he created something called the SIGs scale consistency irrelevance. Well, 78 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: let me give you the drill down on each of those. Consistency. 79 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: By that, he means no flashes in the pan. Great 80 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: coaches are able to keep their teams turn around rolling 81 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: for multiple seasons or demonstrated repeated ability to turn teams around. Irrelevance. 82 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: You got to raise the dead. We're giving bonus points 83 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: for coaches who win at historically dismal stops, but we're 84 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: ignoring those who simply turn a good team into a 85 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: great one. He's saying, if you inherit goodness, I'm not 86 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: going to put you on this list. If you get 87 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: us to greatness a good you could argue a good 88 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: example that would be Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson, the Bulls 89 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: were not terrible when he went to Chicago to take 90 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: over for Doug Collins. They were already on the map, 91 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: but they were kind of stuck in the muck, right, 92 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: so you could say, yeah, hard to argue he's an 93 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: all time great coach, But in terms of the run, 94 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: how much do you evaluate or how much you have 95 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: to factor in what was handed to him? Growth the 96 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: best coaching performances that pertains to turning a losing team 97 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: into a winning one, meaning the players in the team 98 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: have to outperform expectations. If a turnaround happened because a 99 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: team got a generational talent with a draft pick, landed 100 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: a superstar, and a trade or benefited from any decision 101 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: made by Lebron James. We're downgrading it. We're not, for example, 102 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: celebrating gene Chiswick winning after Auburn got Newton Speed to 103 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: garner consideration for the greatest coaching performance honor. A coach 104 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: needs to win almost immediately after being hired. And he 105 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: points out what I did. We're not searching for the 106 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: greatest coach of all time. That's too big and two 107 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: layered a discussion. So apologies to Krzyzewski. The afore mentioned Michael 108 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: Jordan already in the playoffs every year before he took over, 109 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: and many others doesn't mean they weren't great coaches, but 110 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: it means that's a different conversation that we are going 111 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: to have. And he lays out a number of nominees 112 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: worthy of I think consideration, one of them soccer related, 113 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: which my interest might perk up our substitute producer today, 114 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: which we'll get to in just a minute. And there 115 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: are a couple names that the average ru he probably 116 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: doesn't even remember if unless you're old enough. Gary Barnett 117 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: at Northwestern. So if you go back to nineteen ninety five, 118 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: Barnett Northwestern was the losingest program ever, not Indiana, but Northwestern, 119 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: and by the way, it has again overtaken Indiana as 120 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: of November of twenty twenty five. They've kind of been, 121 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: they've kind of been, you know, handing the baton back 122 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: and forth. Now it looks like I don't think Indiana 123 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: is going to get the baton back anytime soon based 124 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: on what we've seen. The ninety five Wildcats, he writes, 125 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: went on a Who's Your esque run undefeated in Big 126 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: Ten play to make the Rose Bowl, follow that up 127 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: with a second Big Ten championship in nineteen ninety six. 128 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: So why would this be in the conversation? Well, as 129 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: he says, this is demonstrably true. Northwestern was so bad 130 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: historically that the late great Deady Green, before he came here, 131 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: was named Big Ten Coach of the year. Do you 132 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: know what his record was when he won Big Ten 133 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: Coach of the Year at Northwestern three and eight? Three 134 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: and eight, and nobody mocked it because three and eight 135 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: at Northwestern, based on what they had been made it 136 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: seem like you've done something. So Barnett wins the Big 137 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: Ten twice in a row, so he has to be 138 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: at least in this conversation. Now, Sigg's advantage over him 139 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: is in Barnett's first three years, he was eight twenty 140 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: four and one, so it took him longer. Remember, Signetti arrived. 141 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: I think Indiana had had three consecutive three and nine 142 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: seasons before he got here, and in their first season 143 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: they ended up losing two games. This year they lost 144 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: no games. Right, that's awfully fast, one could say. So 145 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: I would give the edge, I think, to Signetti. But 146 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: it's okay to celebrate some of these others. That's the point. 147 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: I'll give you the short list of others that he nominates. 148 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: Howard Schnellenberger University of Miami, because once upon a time, 149 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: University of Miami wasn't great in football. When Howard Schnellerberger 150 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: showed up, he kind of changed everything there and others 151 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: followed him with some success. We got a local nominee, 152 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: according to this Ringer piece, Cheryl Reeve, Minnesota Links. Before 153 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: twenty ten, Minnesota had never won a playoff series, let 154 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: alone a title down year in Reeve's first season on 155 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: the job. Then the Linx won the title in her 156 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: second year. They then posted the WNBA's best record in 157 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: three straight seasons. Remember they were They had the second 158 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: worst record in WNBA history when Reeve began. They now 159 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: have the second best record in w NBA history. Now 160 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: he takes points away because of talent. Maya Moore is 161 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: a generational player and one of the best basketball players 162 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: of all time, and several other Hall of Famers were 163 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: on We're at her disposal, including of course Argill, Lindsay 164 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: Whalen Simone, Augustus, Maya Moore, etc. Bill Belichick is on 165 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: this list as well. Hard not to include him because 166 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: even though he's in the greatest coaching conversation across the board, 167 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: he's had stretches of absurdly effective success. Keep in mind, 168 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: though the Patriots weren't horrible when he got there. The 169 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: previous two coaches, Bill Parcells and Pete Carroll New England 170 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: had finished five hundred or better for four straight seasons 171 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: before Belichick came to tell out. So does he fit? 172 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. Hockey is represented Mike keenan New York Rangers. 173 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: They can't spent one year as the Rangers coach taking 174 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: over squad that had missed the playoffs entirely this season 175 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: before in one year. In that one year, New York 176 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: won the Cup in overtime of Game number seven. Worthy 177 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: of consideration, Jim Laylan Florida, Florida Marlins manager is in 178 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: this mix. Lenny Wilkins, Seattle SuperSonics, if you want to 179 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: go way back as a coach. Sean McVay of the 180 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: Rams is on this list. My buddy Rick Bosis will 181 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: be devastated to find out that Joe Madden of the Cubs, 182 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: manager of the Cubs, is on this list. He hates 183 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: Joe Madden. All the names are interesting to me, and 184 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: they're good fodder, and I think they help engineer some 185 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: cup maybe foster and inspire some conversation from our texts 186 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: here or for our Texters. But let me ask you 187 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: where this fits in. What about what the late great 188 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: Herb Brooks did with the miracle Lake Placid team. Now, 189 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: you could say that's a shorter period of time, it's 190 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: a different it's not a league, but it's the Olympics. 191 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: You were probably too young for it, but I'm sure 192 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: you know the story. He takes a bunch of kids, 193 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: whips him into shape and convinces them that you can 194 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: beat the Commies. You don't have to be afraid of 195 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: the comedies. I'm not going to be nice to you 196 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: as I challenge you to get the best out of 197 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: what you have to offer. I think that's got to 198 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: be in the conversation for sure, even though again it's 199 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: not a full season. But they were together usually what 200 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: don't they usually get together a year early or so 201 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: many months early, certainly, and then you got you know, 202 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: you obviously have exhibition games, you prepare whatever. But this 203 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: is the direction I'd like to see us go in 204 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: our number one. How well is Minnesota represented in this regard? 205 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: But it doesn't have to just be Minnesota. What are 206 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: your own criteria? And again, it's not name the greatest 207 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: coach of all time, it's name the greatest coaching performance 208 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: over a given period of time. And I do agree 209 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: with the ringer writer when he says I'm going to 210 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: give extra points for the obvious. By the way, the 211 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: writer's name to give him credit is Roger Sherman. If 212 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: what you've inherited is a wasteland, if what you've inherited 213 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: is a disaster, if what you've inherited also is a 214 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: mindset that nothing good can happen here in the sport 215 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: that you are coaching, it just can't happen. It's just 216 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: in the water, or it's a curse, or it's a 217 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: lack of commitment, whatever it is, knock yourselves out. We 218 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: know you'll give it your best shot, but in the 219 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: end you will fail because that's how hard this job is. 220 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: That's the part that fascinates me the most. A job 221 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: that looks hopeless in turning it in two years into 222 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: an undefeated national champion. That's a story. Whether it's at 223 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: Indiana University or at dare I say it, the University 224 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: of Minnesota, or any place else. Six four six eighty 225 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: six brat Shawn Bryant, KFA N text line. 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This week's winner, Alexis Hollman, 235 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: a special ed teacher at Woodland Elementary School, dominated teacher 236 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: to thank today, iHeartRadio dot com slash teachers. 237 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: Here's your soccer nomination, offered up by the Ringer writer Claudio. 238 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: It's a pronounce Ernieri. I'm not sure, but I know 239 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: who it is. I don't know the exact pronunciation, but yes, 240 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: how do you pronounce the team, the team that he coached? 241 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: You want to want to take a shot at it. 242 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: I'll just it's Lester Leicester City. Okay, yeah, it's heamelled Leicester. 243 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: I don't know why. 244 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: I suggest it's probably the best any idicomp available. Like 245 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: college football, the Premier League historically has been dominated by 246 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: a small handful of teams with more money and fans 247 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: than everybody else, like the Hoosiers. Lester, that's what it's pronounced. 248 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: Leicester came out of nowhere to win it all. But 249 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: how much of the miracle. The miracle run to the 250 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen Premier League Championship was due to the guidance 251 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: of their first year manager. He writes. The Foxes were 252 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: in the third tier of English soccer in two thousand 253 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: and nine were nearly relegated in fifteen when they hired him, 254 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: and his first year as manager, they won their first 255 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: premiership and it wasn't close, ten points clear of second 256 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: place Arsenal. He as soon as he raises his hands 257 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: in exaltation, he kind of beats it back because he 258 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: says Ranieri never achieved any similar success, so he lacks 259 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: the consistency factor. This remains his only top flight championship, 260 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: despite being the headman at clubs like Chelsea Inter Milan 261 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: Roma about a dozen other clubs over there. So his 262 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: verdict is this is I didn't know this. He was 263 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: fired just nine months after lifting the trophy as six 264 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: straight losses had dropped the Foxes into seventeenth place. So 265 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: it's a meteoric rise, but it didn't sustain. Now, you know, 266 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: we can't really know what the future holds for Indiana 267 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: and Signetti. I think it would be difficult to believe 268 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: that it's gonna he's gonna fall off the end of 269 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: a table. I'm not sure you can count on another 270 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: national championship. But and now these raised the bar to 271 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: a place where, if you know Paris, the thought he 272 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: loses three games next year, people are gonna lose their minds. 273 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: But it has to be put under put under. I 274 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: guess you could say, uh, consideration. Let me get to 275 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: a few texts. We are wide open. I had one 276 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: potential guest edition, but I think he's gonna have to 277 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: wait until tomorrow. Glenn Mason has scheduled to join us 278 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: in studio at four and Russo Radio to talk puck. 279 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 1: That is scheduled for five o'clock today, which means I 280 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: do want a five twenty sports fix, so you're not 281 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: off the hook, and we are at six o'clock for 282 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: Wild Hockey. I got to ask you about the wild 283 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: victory yesterday as as well. Here's some tex just reacting 284 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: to Indiana's victory over Miami, and you know it. I 285 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: picked Indiana by by a touchdown. I didn't think it 286 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: was going to be a route like the other games. 287 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: I really didn't. And part of it was, well two things. 288 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: One word on the street was the Miami defensive line 289 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 1: was really good and disruptive. And we've seen this when 290 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: any good quarterback. You can make a good quarterback look 291 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: mortal at times if you just hit them enough. Now 292 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: they hit them cheaply a couple of times. By the way, 293 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: that's another thing I want to talk about with Seafert. 294 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: I think he's going to join us tomorrow. Football fans 295 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: who think the NFL has a real inconsistency problem when 296 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: it comes to roughing the passer. NFL roughing the passer 297 00:19:54,800 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: call is nothing compared to this. The absurdity of how 298 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: it is or isn't called at the college level. I 299 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: think that's a far bigger problem. There is literally no 300 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: consistency at the college level. And I've felt this way 301 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: every week for years. I'll ask one of the things 302 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: we'll talk about with Glenn Mason as well. Let me 303 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: get to a few texts just responding to the game. 304 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: But what I was saying is they have Indiana, among 305 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: great teams, has the lowest dufus factor of any great 306 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: team I'd ever seen. And by dufus factor, we're saying 307 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: getting into stupid nonsense with the other team, jawing with 308 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: the other team, stupid penalties, you know, really really bad 309 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: decision making, et cetera. But I did say before during 310 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: yesterday's show, sooner or later, even a great team is 311 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: going to have a game where they start slipping a 312 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: little bit. It's just for whatever reason. And that happened 313 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: to Indiana on a couple of the occasions. Now the 314 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: roughing the passer penalty that opened the door to Miami's 315 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: last drive I thought was thin, but it was called 316 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: worse Indiana. It's got second and one late with the ball. 317 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: They can end the game if they get one more 318 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: first down, and what happens false start dufus factor presents 319 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: itself in a way that it rarely does with Indiana. 320 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: So I am not surprised that it was ended up 321 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: being as difficult as it as it was, and as 322 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: close as relatively speaking, as close as it was, because 323 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: sooner or later, even great teams, as Glenn Mason has 324 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: told us, they're gonna step back a little bit and 325 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna have just a couple of hiccups. And by 326 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: Indiana standards, they had several hiccups that stood out just 327 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: because they so rarely make those kinds of mistakes. Congratulations 328 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: to Miami for even apparently and I didn't even realize this. 329 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: Bossburg and Chad Abbott told me after the game of 330 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: Miami player Cold Cox an Indiana player what the whole game. 331 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: It was clear the Miami part of the Miami plan 332 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: was goad them into doing stupid stuff goad them into 333 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: their dufus factor being raised, and for the most part, 334 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: Indiana did not take the bait. But how do you 335 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: root for that? I have no idea how forget my 336 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: rooting interest having gone to Indiana. How can you root 337 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: for a team that makes that part of their personality. 338 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: I thought it was rather sad and embarrassing as well 339 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: not to mention the early to the chin strap cheap 340 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: shot on on Mendoza. But I digress. Let's get to 341 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: some h take some Let's take some some let me 342 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: get to some texts here, because we can go to 343 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: forty two today. We can kind of play with the 344 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: schedule just a little bit. Dan, You're not gonna like this, 345 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: as I know you've pushed back against the money narrative, 346 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: but I do think the nail money slightly diminishes Signetti's 347 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: case for generational coaching runs. Twelve starters were transfers, thirty 348 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: three transfers, and the roster in total forty seven total 349 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: players in the team were over twenty two. Deserves a 350 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: lot of credit. He's playing with the same rules everyone has. 351 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: I don't take that away from it at all, not 352 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: saying they're the Dodgers buying up everyone good. But this 353 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like a grassroots build up of a program, JEF, 354 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: You're falling into the same trap that a lot of 355 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: people have in trying to push back on some aspects 356 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: of this story. The players that you're citing, many of 357 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: the players who are transfers were transfers from James Bleeping Madison. 358 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: They only look good now because they became what they became. 359 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: So you can think it's stupid to call this the 360 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: little engine that could kind of you know, roaring back 361 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: and rearing its head. But you're looking at it from 362 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: when they reached the point that they've reached the last 363 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: several weeks or even this entire season, and they weren't 364 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: getting and did not get They got a good transfer 365 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: out of Notre Dame. The quarterback came. Anybody could have 366 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: gone after the Calkid Mendoza. So you're evaluating on the 367 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: basis of how they are viewed now. Is Nil make 368 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: things different? Does the transfer portal make things different than 369 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: it was? But nobody else at a downed trodden program 370 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: has done anything playing by the same rules, has done 371 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: anything close to what he has done, So you can 372 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: make the effort to take away. I would say taking 373 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: away is silly calling it different from what the conditions 374 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: were and what you have how you have to do 375 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: it on the basis of the rules being different. That's 376 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: fine because it is very different in that sense than 377 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: what let's say Gary Barnett did at Northwestern decades and 378 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: decades ago. But we're looking at Indiana through the end product. 379 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: There was nobody aroused. You see all the kids from 380 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: James Mass and this Signettic kid or Signettic coach has gone, 381 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: oh man, man, oh man. And you see how old 382 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: they are. Everybody's old. Now, who is it old? Now? 383 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: That's the rules at this point. So I I've heard it. 384 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna hear more and more of it because that's 385 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: sort of how people roll, because it makes I think 386 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: it makes them think they sound smart. But it leaves 387 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: out so much of the story that I think, I 388 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: believe continues to make this, if not the greatest coaching 389 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: job of all time, one of the greatest coaching jobs 390 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: of all time. Do you think Indians going to maintain 391 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: this high level will be similar to Northwestern in ninety nine? 392 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: I believe they won the Rose Bowl. That's Papatacos were 393 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: talking about the Garrymunett run. They went I think to 394 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: back to back Rose Bulls. I don't think they want them, 395 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: but they went to back to back Rose Bulls. I 396 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: that's going to be the sixty four thousand dollars question. 397 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: My guess is they're not going to be as good 398 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: as they were this year realistically. But I don't think 399 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing where you go, well, 400 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: three years from now, you're not going to hear anything 401 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: about Indiana again. I will be surprised just on the 402 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: basis of what he seems to have figured out, but 403 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: what we don't know obviously, until we know, there's a 404 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: perception that Indiana bought this title. This is Darren in 405 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: Circle Pines. That's short sighted viewpoint takes away from Signette's 406 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: ability to find the right people. Exactly can anyone honestly say, 407 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: I use last four opponents Ohio State, Bama, Oregon, Miami, 408 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: we're less talented than Indiana. I don't argue the other 409 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: teams were a better collection of individuals than Indiana is 410 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: by far the better team. Many will look at this 411 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: and say it can happen anywhere. The issue with that 412 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: is signettes don't grow on trees, and he's right. I 413 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: can sit here and say, wellhy can't stop telling me 414 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: this can't happen here. The comeback to that is there's 415 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: clearly not very many signettes out there, and you got 416 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: to find So. You know, if a president of a 417 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: school says brings the ada and says, can you find 418 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: me a signetti, I'm sure the idea would say we're 419 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: all looking for him. How many of them are out there? 420 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe his approach can somehow be copied 421 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: in a way that makes it more likely that there 422 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 1: could be a signetti light. I don't really know. This 423 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: is Austin and Apple Valley last night. As a fan, 424 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: would you rather be at the game and personal experience it, 425 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: live in that atmosphere or would rather be in Bloomington 426 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: at a bar restaurant, watching with just Indiana fans and 427 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: enjoying the vibes of what that time was like after 428 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: the win? Feel like it's a tough question. Being at 429 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: the game would be awesome, but experiencing in Bloomington with 430 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: other the diehard fans I think would be an even 431 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: better atmosphere. It's a it's a it's an. I think 432 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: it's an unanswerable question. If I if I'm honest, if 433 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: I could have been parachuted in to the stadium and 434 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: not had to worry about all the you know things 435 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: that everybody has to worry about when you go to 436 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: a game, lines a whole bit. I believe that would 437 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: have been the ultimate place to be. That would have 438 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: been the ultimate place to enjoy the experience, even more 439 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: than being in the university town. As crazy and as 440 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: festive as it apparently it got. I thoroughly enjoyed it 441 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: from the barka. But you know, teach their own I 442 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: think different people. For you, Is there nothing like being there? 443 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: Is there like nothing? Is there nothing like being at Lambeau? 444 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: Or can you enjoy the experience of a big Packer's 445 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: victory just as easily from your couch or let's say, 446 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: with a group of other Packer fans at a bar 447 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: or some event. 448 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: It depends on the scale of it, like for this, 449 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: like I would consider this, like if the Wild won 450 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: the Cup, That's true, Yeah, I would want to be there. 451 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 2: You'd want to be there, and I would want to 452 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 2: see the shared spurgeon or maybe in the future, brock 453 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: favor lift the cup with my own two eyes, that 454 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: would be But like a big playoff win, you can 455 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: do that from home, and I think that's okay, or 456 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: at the bar, but that is another level of success 457 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 2: that you would want to see. In my opinion, I'd 458 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: want to It makes sense a number of people have 459 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: nominated tk World Series title in year one with the 460 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: team that hadn't made the postseason in seventeen years, finished 461 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: in sixth place in the seven team Al West West 462 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: in eighty six. Nobody has more admiration and respect for 463 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: the Kelly run. With that ends, of course, in a 464 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: pair of World Series eighty seven and ninety one. The 465 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: X factor, as odd as this sounds with Kelly in 466 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: eighty seven, is they really weren't that good a team. 467 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 2: They were a terrible team in the road, and then 468 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 2: they got hot. It's just the right minute. That doesn't 469 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: diminish what he did. I don't know that i'd put 470 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 2: it on the same plateau as I would Signetti or 471 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: as I said, even Hervey Brooks quite frankly, as good 472 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: as those runs were. 473 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: But I understand the nomination for sure. Six to one 474 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: to two, Guy rights, Dan, congrats on the big win. 475 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: I grise sig did an amazing job the last two years. 476 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: Based on that scale you mentioned, he did have a 477 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: first round pick a QB last year and likely first 478 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: round pick of the draft this year. So without transfer portal, 479 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: he never has two stud quarterbacks, and as we all know, 480 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: quarterback is the most important position in sports. The advantage 481 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: the system now gives you is but there's still there's 482 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: a little still too much chicken and egg stuff going 483 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: on there. So what has to be remembered is, as 484 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: I said, in the case of Mendoza, he was a 485 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: two star quarterback who, even when he was at Cal, 486 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: wasn't looked at, wasn't coveted by any of the so 487 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: called blue blood programs. As we got to get them, 488 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: we gotta go get Mendoza. So, yes, is he going 489 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: to be maybe even the first overall pick? Did anybody 490 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: think of that of him that way when he was 491 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: at Cal? The answers no, and we're back to you 492 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: can't get criticized or graded down for helping to transform 493 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: a player from a middle of the road quarterback to 494 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: a guy who by the end of the year was 495 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: viewed as maybe worthy of the first overall pick or 496 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: top ten pick. That's the part I just reject. I 497 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: just don't think that you can leave out of there. 498 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: And again, everybody he's done the comparison, they had no 499 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: five star recruits. I think they made history by the 500 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: way that the previous four years they did not have 501 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: a single five star recruit. I don't think there's ever 502 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: been a team that's won a national championship with that 503 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: being in its past. That's not to say he didn't 504 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: have some talent, but it still looked more to me 505 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: like talent that he helped. I think it is the 506 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: classic case of they look better collectively than they do 507 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: individually at any particular position most of the way. And 508 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: that's to me. Glenn Mason stoles that. That's what I 509 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: think makes that's that's what makes He said the quote 510 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: last night, Signetty, the whole is greater than the sum 511 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: of the parts. It's a cliche, but I do think 512 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: it it applies. Let's see what else we got here, Mason. 513 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: By the way, we'll be in studio to discuss this 514 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: and much much more. Tom Calli is not in that 515 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: top tier, second tier, but honorable mentioned great show today. Yeah, 516 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean he's in. He's definitely on the list. I 517 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: don't know that I put him. I'm not sure i'd 518 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: put him on the on the top tier. Well, now 519 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: we have a vote for Walter Mathow, the manager who 520 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: played the manager in Bad News Bears. Now, if we 521 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: want to broaden it out to fictitious fictional coaches, that's 522 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: a great nomination. That's out that's outstanding. Will you look 523 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: up Will Ferrell and kicking and screaming out. Yeah, there 524 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: you go. Turn that team right around. Will you look 525 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: up Bad News Bears and find Remind me that the 526 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: name of the of the character that Walter Mathow played, 527 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: he's the beer guzzling manager coach Morris boot Maker. Buttermaker 528 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: butter Maker. Yeah it was butter Maker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 529 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: that's exactly it. Buttermaker. Someone somewhere is really mad that 530 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: im miss pressed. That's that's okay it Yeah, that's a 531 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: terrific move. By the way, speaking of movies, name me 532 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: another state university, any university that can claim this trifecta. 533 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: We talked about it yesterday, fifty years ago. Last undefeated 534 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: men's basketball NCAA title winner thirty two and oh Indiana. 535 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: I covered that team for the Indiana Daily Student they 536 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: now have an undefeated National Football champion, the first sixteen 537 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: n O team, the first team I think to go 538 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: sixteen and oh since it's either Yale or Harvard in 539 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 1: like eighteen ninety six. And last, but not least, featured 540 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: in one of the most underrated motion pictures of all time, 541 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: a movie called Breaking Away. Kids won't Know of It 542 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: Oldheimer's will. It is a charming film that does a 543 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: great job a sort of capturing college life at IU 544 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: and more importantly competition. That's the movie about, ostensibly the 545 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: Little five hundred traditional bike race at IU, And in 546 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: the story Breaking Away, it lays out nicely some of 547 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: the sort of you could say schisms between college students 548 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: there and the so called Cutters, the folks who grew 549 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: up in Bloomington had nothing to do with Indiana University, 550 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: didn't have a chance maybe to go to Indiana University, 551 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: and sort of how that affected their lives. And they 552 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: field a team, the Cutters feel a team for the 553 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: Little five hundred, which is a fraternity and sorority dominated event. 554 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: They're not supposed to have a chance in hell, they're mocked, 555 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: they're ridiculed, and the rest is history. That's a good 556 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: TRIFECTA closer go to Jeff Grayson, our old friend who 557 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: a broadcast friend, who reminded me of that late last night, 558 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: of that of that film. I'm sure you've never seen 559 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: it right breaking away. You don't have to care about 560 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: cycling or bike racing to love the movie. It's a 561 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: great Bramo. It's a lot of fun, a lot of fun. 562 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: Brad Stevens with Butler Bulldogs their championship run Eric in Uptown, 563 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: that would have to be in the That would be 564 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: on the list. I think I'd have to look up 565 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: how irrelevant Butler was before he took over. But I 566 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: don't think they were. I don't think they were very good. 567 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: This is to get me going six point two. Guy 568 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: Herb Brooks didn't have Mark Cuban funding his players. I'm 569 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: hoping that's tongue in cheep. I'm hoping we don't have 570 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: to explain that. We don't have to shatter that myth 571 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: that has been It'll be used and you'll hear about 572 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: it more and more, even though it doesn't even begin 573 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: to tell the story of what took place to the 574 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: Positive before Mark Cuban had even a minute or had 575 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: written a single check to the Indiana University football program. 576 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: A couple people are nominating Herbie Brooks, you might maybe 577 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: just joining the show. I brought him up almost immediately. 578 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: That's the first name that came to my mind. Is 579 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: a story that we've told often, endlessly on this show 580 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: over the decades. I never get tired of it. Louis 581 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: has of course told it forever. Herbie Brooks used to 582 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: and including some of the players as well, movie books, 583 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: the whole bit. I absolutely would put put them in there. 584 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: Barry Alvarez taking over the Badgers. I thought about bringing 585 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: that up. 586 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 2: They were terrible before he got there, right, was SI's 587 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 2: in terrible? My dad graduated from Madison in eighty one. Yeah, 588 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 2: and to me, they'd celebrate first down like they won. 589 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: A national championship. 590 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, now they've done everything in the past five 591 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 2: ten years. But he built to ruin his legacy. But 592 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 2: he built like a twenty year stable. Now it wasn't 593 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 2: a national championship, no, but he did. 594 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: He did, he did. Yeah, that's I guess it would 595 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: be the distinction. I mean, he didn't. He didn't win 596 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: the whole thing. And that's what still stuns me that 597 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: Signetty has let's get back on schedule pause. We'll probably 598 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: stay with this for one more segment. Glenn Mason in 599 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: studio beginning at four and we'll talk hockey. Russo Radio 600 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: is scheduled for five o'clock. 601 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 2: Today evening with Jeff Foxworthy, known for his signature you 602 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 2: might be a Redneck jokes they'll miss out on the 603 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 2: Grammy nominated legend when he takes a stage a Treasure 604 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 2: Island Events Center March Fourteenth's here tickets today tai Casino dot. 605 00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:00,760 Speaker 1: Com Dean Blvens has food in his but he would 606 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: say Greg Popovich. Greg Popovich is one of the greatest 607 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 1: coaches of all time, But I think when it comes 608 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: to greatest coaching period for a given team or teams, 609 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: I just don't know. I think there's too much talent 610 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: there for me to put him in that list. I'm 611 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: never going to penalize a coach who has sustained success 612 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: for having talent, because that's what the best coaches do. 613 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: They they get the best out of that what that 614 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,919 Speaker 1: talent offers. Popovich won the finals in his second year 615 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: in San Antonio Davy but remember he got to tank 616 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: for Tim Duncan and then pair Duncan with David Robinson 617 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: in his first year as Spurs coach. So again, all 618 00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: time great, There's not any question about that. But that's 619 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: an awful lot of talent that has kind of fallen 620 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: into your lap. It's pretty hard to screw up Tim Duncan. 621 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: I think everybody knew that pretty much at the time, 622 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: though Clayton from Rochester suggested Dean Blevins with food in 623 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 1: his mouth would say pop purpal kool aid is tasteless. 624 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: Guy Rick Adelman winning twenty six games with the Wolves 625 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, well, relatively speaking, that that might well 626 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: have been the case. How many in our audience Bratshawn, 627 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: Brian Kafe and text Line have seen Breaking Away. I 628 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: haven't seen it in probably twenty years. I have no 629 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: idea if it holds up, but I know it's a 630 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: hell of a film that, whether you went to Indiana 631 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 1: or not, did very well and was a great story. 632 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: And as I said that that in in real life, 633 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: the folks who lived in town, grew up in Bloomington, 634 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: had nothing much to do with IU. They were not 635 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,399 Speaker 1: called cutters, they were called Stoney's. I think they didn't 636 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: want to use that term because there was a they 637 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: were afraid that somebody would take make you know, associated 638 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: with Pot because I had nothing to do with Pott. 639 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: So it was had to do with the with with 640 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: the quarries in the limestone quarries in southern Indiana. So 641 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: they went with Cutters instead of Stoney's as a result. 642 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: But it's a it's a it's a fine motion picture. 643 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: NC State men's basketball team in eighty three, the Jimmy 644 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: Valvano run. Perhaps I'd have to look at what they 645 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 1: had done previously. I mean, that's again what that's one 646 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: of the big advantages that that that that Sig has 647 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: what he inherited. Let me double check here the Indiana 648 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: year by year record Indiana football year by year. I'm 649 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: pretty sure they were three and nine, three straight years 650 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: under Tom Allen before Sig came aboard and made his 651 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: famous you know, oh you know, he showed up in 652 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: a basketball game and did the produce sucks and I 653 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: remember it well, but I remember rolling my eyes because 654 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: that's always the easy part, you know, that's always the 655 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: easy you know, how many times have we seen coche 656 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: it come on strong and we're gonna be different. I'm 657 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: gonna be tough guy, and I'm gonna declare and I'm 658 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: gonna do all of these things. And you know what 659 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,399 Speaker 1: does it usually lead to? Well, lastly, it was worse 660 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: than I thought. The three previous seasons before Signetti arrived 661 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: and went eleven and two, the Hoosiers finished two and ten, 662 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: four and eight, and three and nine, and in the 663 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:05,760 Speaker 1: Big Ten they were a combined three and twenty four, 664 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: three and twenty four. Since then, in two years in 665 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: the Big Ten, Signetti has gone seventeen and one. You 666 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 1: can't top that. This can't be topped. It's ridiculous. I 667 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 1: don't care what advantages he had, or the system being changed, 668 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. I'd say you're trying 669 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: too hard to somehow turn it into a negative. Any 670 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: other movie suggestions for great coaches. We've had some good 671 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: ones so far. Let's see Shaka Smart's been named maybe 672 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: coach Carter perhaps Stan I was born in nineteen ninety seven. 673 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: Can you describe what it feels like for a beloved 674 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: team to win a championship of any kind? Sounds like 675 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 1: a great time? Yeah, it is not. I'm you know, 676 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 1: it's a little different in that I'm further removed from it. 677 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm in Minnesota, so I'm not in the belly of 678 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: the beast. I'm not in the middle of where it would, 679 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: you know, like I'm not where Bosich is. Bosch is 680 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: in Louisville, but he's close enough to Indiana there where 681 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: I think he feels it more closely and has always 682 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: lived there where you know, I left. I've all you know, 683 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,879 Speaker 1: I'm coming up on forty years that I've been here, 684 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: so you have to factor that up. Was there any 685 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: outrage about the fact that the college National Championship wasn't 686 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: available on an over the year channel? Well, hasn't that 687 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: been the case for a while now, are we? I mean, 688 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: I think the genie's out of that bottle. I get it. 689 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,879 Speaker 1: In a perfect world, you know, we still have four 690 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: channels and everybody have access to it with an antenna. 691 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think I think we're lucky 692 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,479 Speaker 1: it wasn't on like Prime. Well, yeah, yeah, you're right 693 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: at least, yeah, exactly right. That might well be true. 694 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: All right, let's make this the top of the hour break. 695 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: Mace is in the house, and I'm sure he will 696 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,879 Speaker 1: react to the Indiana victory and we'll try to get 697 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,760 Speaker 1: into some other things as well, both uh college football. 698 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: I do want to talk officiating with him because it 699 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: was a big topic on the pro side especially, and 700 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: I want to talk about some of the officiating yesterday 701 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: actually regarding as I said, I think an utter lack 702 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: of understanding of what in college football constitutes roughing the passer, 703 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: because I think it's actually looser in college than it 704 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 1: is in professional football, where it might be too tight. 705 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: There's got to be a middle ground in there somewhere, 706 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 1: So Mace, if you have questions for him. Bradshaw and 707 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: Bryan Kiffean text line six four six eighty six Hockey 708 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 1: conversation with Russo that's coming up in five