1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: You mean, welcome back, Paul Jarchi, and with you can 2 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: pivot from football football football. I hope you had you 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: had a chance to hear the Donald diatribe. 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: I think. 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: I think it was well thought out, very well rationalized 6 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: by me. But your thoughts are welcome on Sam Donald, 7 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: the Donald diatribe and the acceptance that must come with 8 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: the absolute fact that the Vikings made a mistake by 9 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: not signing Sam Darnald. I don't think you can justify 10 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: anything else at this point, but if you'd like, you can. 11 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: Do that, can do that. 12 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: The brands On Brian Kafan text line is six four 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: six eighty six, the talkback iHeartRadio app. You know, hit 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: the microphone button. You got thirty seconds to give your 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: opinion on the Sam Darnold situation is he guides his 16 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: team to a Super Bowl and successfully goes head to 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: head with Hall of Fame bound Matthew Stafford in one 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: of the great great playoff games in recent memory. Joining 19 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: me now a longtime friend, Fred Minnick. Fred is the 20 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: premiere whiskey expert in America. He's got several books, he's 21 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: got two podcasts going now, the Fred Minnick Show, which 22 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: is very whisky Heavy fourth and Neat with Jared Allen, 23 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: which is also whiskey heavy, but also a lot of 24 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: other stuff. 25 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: And Fred has got. 26 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: A new book coming called Bottom Shelf. Hi, Fred, Great 27 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: to talk to you again, Paul. 28 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure. I know this is a tough 29 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: day for Fightings fans. 30 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: It is, it is, you know, Fred, I mentioned this 31 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: last segment and I don't expect you were listening from Louisville, 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: but there really is a scenario here if the Vikings 33 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: had decided to keep Sam Darnold the way that Brian 34 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: Flores had this defense going that it's the Vikings storm 35 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl. That's yep, you know Seattle. You know, 36 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: I don't know Seattle's goes to war, you know with 37 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: I don't know somebody, and you know they're not they're 38 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: not a factor because they don't have the quarterbacking and yeah, 39 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: who knows the Vikings could have been a maybe they're 40 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: a super Bowl team this year. 41 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 3: You know, honestly, it's you know, so on my podcast 42 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: with Jared Allen, Forth and Neat, we talked about the 43 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: Vikings pretty much every episode, and he just he loves 44 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: that defense and he's always talking about the defense. He's like, 45 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 3: I was just texting Flores, you know, what are we 46 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: going to do to keep you? You know, It's just 47 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: it's that man is still such a Vikings fan, and 48 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 3: you can it's so good. Yeah, well it'll be fun 49 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: to have a conversation with him about how he feels 50 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: about Donald doing so well. 51 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jared's fantastic. The fourth and need is a ton 52 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: of fun. I've I have heard most on maybe even 53 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: all of the episodes TJ. 54 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: Hockinson has been on recently. 55 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: I love that you guys work in football, you work 56 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: in bourbon, and it's it's a ton of fun. 57 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: I love it. 58 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that we've got we're we specialize in 59 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: conspiracy theories, especially time travel and aliens these days, so 60 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: Jared likes to go off on these tangents. It's kind 61 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: of fun. 62 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: Well, okay, look, I mean I think scientifically we've figured 63 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: out that time travel is possible, and I think we've 64 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: done it at some like sub atomic level where we've 65 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: shifted some. 66 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: So we interviewed we interviewed one of the mon Talk 67 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: project survivors and he was he was giving us all 68 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: the details and we're like, thinking this guy is like 69 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: you know, loopy and everything. Within like two weeks things 70 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: that he predicted happened, and it was like, you know, 71 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: Jared and I just started like, I don't know, we 72 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 3: started seeing this guy randomly in the streets and we're 73 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: like kind of getting freaked out a little bit, but 74 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: but yeah, we have a lot of fun there at 75 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: Forth and Neat. Jared's Jared's an amazing dude. He snowed 76 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: in right now, you know on Nashville. We're all snowed 77 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: in out here in the South. Yeah, what to do? 78 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: So any tips from Minnesota on the on what to 79 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 3: do and the on snowy days. 80 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: Well, you either stay inside or you just go have 81 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: fun in all the snow in ways that you can't 82 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: normally do. And that's you know, that's you know, the 83 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: snow angel a little overrated. Like think you can do 84 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: a little bit better than just dropping into the snow 85 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: and doing the snow angel. Fred I've got higher aspirations 86 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: for you. Do you have you have a four by 87 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: four and can you rig up something so you can 88 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: have it pull a sled and you know, like long 89 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: rope toe rope and then get to a sled and 90 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: then just start pulling people with that. 91 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: No, I don't think I can do that with my ultimate. 92 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: No, I don't think your ultimate is gonna make it. No, 93 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: we'll just stay inside and talk. We'll talk. We'll talk 94 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: Bourbon for as America's premiere whiskey expert and Fred. You know, 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: I've seen Fred, not you, and I've been friends long 96 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: enough that I've seen you do things like move McKenna 97 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: from twenty five dollars at the bottom of my shelf 98 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,559 Speaker 1: to seventy dollars at eye level on my shelf. 99 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's That's one of the weird 100 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: things about being a whiskey critic is that, you know, 101 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: I'm always honest, I'm always candid, and I always give 102 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 3: my my legitimate feelings after I taste something and I 103 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: developed my ability to taste, Like after I got home 104 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: from my RACK and I was going through PTSD and 105 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 3: I went through this whole taste mindfulness training to help 106 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: me get through. You know, it was kind of a 107 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: mindfulness exercise was that basically helped ground me from things 108 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: that would trigger me after war, and it basically gave 109 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 3: me this entire ability to taste that I never knew 110 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: I had, and I mean I turned that into a 111 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: career of tasting bourbon. And I mean that's really what 112 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 3: my new book Bottomshelf is about, and I talked about 113 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: I do talk about the mckinna thing where I where 114 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 3: we picked McKenna is the best whiskey in the world, 115 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 3: and the balloons overnight. I've done this repeatedly and some 116 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 3: of all a lot of times. My favorite whiskey is 117 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: like the old crow chess piece from nineteen sixty nine 118 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: was I think, I think is the greatest bourbon ever made, 119 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: And I said, I said so, And I went from 120 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: being like being able to get it for like forty 121 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: bucks at a state sales so like seven hundred dollars 122 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: like overnight. It blew me out of the ability to 123 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: buy my favorite whiskey. So it's weird. 124 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: Have you ever been tempted, Fred to invest in the 125 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: whiskeys before you sing the praises of the whiskey so 126 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: that you can be sitting on that that that profit 127 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: delta As a. 128 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: Good Catholic, I don't. I don't want to know what 129 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: my priests would tell me, uh for doing something like that. 130 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: So that's the kind of like that's kind of where 131 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: how I live. I like, do I have to go 132 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: to confession for this if I do this? So like 133 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: I you know, I'm pretty on the straight and row 134 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 3: when it comes to this stuff, Like I really it's 135 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: it seems like it is fun and everything, but I 136 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: do take it very seriously and I know that I 137 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: know that when I say something's good, that it you know, 138 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 3: it can like change the market a little bit and 139 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: help help brands Like I just picked a whiskey in 140 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: my top one hundred from Minnesota, a brand called Brother Justice, 141 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: which I absolutely Beautiful America and single Mall just completely 142 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: wowed me. It was just such a really incredible flavor. 143 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: PROFILE picked number four out of all the whiskey they 144 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: taste it last year. Wow. 145 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: Wow, Brother Justice. 146 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: I remember when they were starting Brother Justice about ten 147 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: years ago, maybe less than ten years ago. And at 148 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: the time, and I believe I've got this correct, they 149 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: were just trying to get into the marketplace and they 150 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: were speed aging their stuff, and at that point I 151 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: was nervous about their ultimate survivability, sustainability at Brother Justice. 152 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: But it sounds like over time they've created a really 153 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: good product. What do you love about the Brother Justice Bourbon. 154 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 3: Well, so it's a single mall they make. 155 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: It's a single mall. 156 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's not it's not Bourbon. But they they 157 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 3: they're very they very are very very much Minnesota focused. 158 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: So like they do, they have kind of like their 159 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: own malting procedures and they have their they're using peak, 160 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 3: they're getting actual peak out of Minnesota versus like Scotland, 161 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 3: and they're using Minnesota trees for their barrels. So it's 162 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, we talk about terere wir 163 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: or regional or location of whiskey a lot, we don't 164 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 3: really have a lot of examples of like where it 165 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: can actually make a difference. But in tasting Brother Justice 166 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 3: over and over again, I think there can be a 167 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: case that there's there's something pretty special in Minnesota for 168 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: making whiskey. But it's so cold there. I think you've 169 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: got to be from Minnesota and to understand the climate 170 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: and how to like you know, work with it to 171 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: make it benefit you're whiskey. Because if you bring someone 172 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 3: from Kentucky to come up and make whiskey in Minnesota, 173 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: I think it would be an abject failure because they're 174 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: not used to that climate and a brother justice. You know, 175 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: Phil is from the I mean, dude, he's one of 176 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: the probably one of the biggest Viking fans there is, 177 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: and he uh, he's done an incredible job. 178 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: Well, since we're talking about local whiskies, let's uh, let's 179 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: hit on Keeper's Heart because we haven't seen an investment 180 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: like this in Minnesota really ever. They opened up a 181 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: gigantic distillery they brought in and you mentioned, you know, 182 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: being from Minnesota. They brought in Irish master distiller Brian 183 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: Nation to lead the effort with Keeper's Hearts. What are 184 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: your thoughts on the Keeper's Heart Distillery and what they're 185 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: doing here in the Twin Cities. 186 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: Well, I got to be honest. When Keeper's Heart came out, 187 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: they were they were a part of this like very 188 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: small but impactful trend of blending different types of whiskeys. 189 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: And so they were blending Irish whiskey with with bourbon 190 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: and Rye, so two American styles, and it really you 191 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 3: know it, when it comes to whiskeys, you go on 192 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: you go onto a shelf that says Bourbon, Rye, Irish 193 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: whiskey or Scotch. Like if you combine those two, you know, 194 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: you got a lot of these liquor store reps. You know, 195 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 3: they're looking at this bottle and they're like, you know, 196 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: they start getting busy. They don't know where to put it, 197 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 3: so they just they just started putting it in the 198 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: bourbon section. And so they they started getting bourbon fans 199 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 3: in a time that bourbon was blowing up, and so 200 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 3: Keeper's Heart kind of gets associated with with bourbon, but 201 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: really it was never bourbon. It was like a blend 202 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: of two different styles of whiskey and that that had 203 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 3: been done before, but no one had ever put the 204 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: level of marketing that they were doing. And so they 205 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 3: were buying like spots and like the Dan Patrick Show, 206 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: and had all sorts of like sports related marketing. So 207 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: it's like they really understood who whiskey drinkers were. You know, 208 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 3: they didn't they didn't come out of They spent their 209 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 3: money on marketing very wisely in my opinion, and and 210 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: so they're I think they're a pretty exciting addition to 211 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: the to the growth of whiskey overall. 212 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: All right, that's Keeper's Heart. We're talking to Fred Minnick, 213 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: America's premiere whiskey expert. Your new book Bottom shelf talks 214 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: about Old Crow. Old Crow is uh is I think 215 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: a notorious bottom shelf whiskey, But like a lot of things, 216 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't always that way. Can you can you give 217 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: us a little bit of the history of Old Crow, 218 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: which goes way way back. 219 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, when we look at Old Crow, I mean, there 220 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 3: is a case that can be made that bourbon could 221 00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: be called prow whiskey. The guy who basically really made 222 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 3: the American whiskey profile of bourbon special was a guy 223 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 3: named James C. Crow. That's what Old Crow is named after. 224 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: Is named after this man. And I believe it or not, 225 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 3: he died before his brand ever like became famous. But 226 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: everyone loved his whiskey so much, and he basically liked 227 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: how he basically like gave like all these industrial tips 228 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: to all these distilleries. And you know, you had you 229 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: had politicians bribing voters with shots of Old Crow if 230 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 3: they voted for him. That's why you can no longer. 231 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: There was a law that was passed if you can't 232 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: drink on election day or by alcohol and election days 233 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 3: because politicians were bribing voters with Old Crow. And you 234 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 3: had all these stories like this, and Old Crow was 235 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: like synonymous with absolute premium, the very very best of 236 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: all of Bourbon. And then in nineteen eighty seven, Jim 237 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 3: Tam acquired Old Crow and it's sister brands, Overhouled and 238 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: Old Granddad, and they kept Old Granddad and Overhouled and 239 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: like kind of like a little bit higher esteem than 240 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: Old Crow. 241 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: Old Crow. 242 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: They just took the whiskey from it and used it 243 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: for likes of Knob Creek and Baker's and just relegated 244 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: Crow to the bottom shelf. And it's because there was 245 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: a bitter rivalry between Jim Beam and Old Crow. And 246 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: you know, that's what a lot of the book is about. 247 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: It's trying to understand why did Jim Beam punish Old 248 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: Crow like they did, because now you know the people 249 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: who drank Old Crow, you know, they're usually doing it 250 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: because they have twelve dollars and they want something. You know, 251 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: if you want twelve dollars, three year old Kentucky Bourbon 252 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: had a low proof Old Crow's there for you. But 253 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, the whiskey that was is better than 254 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 3: like what Pappy van Winkle is today. That is a 255 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: special Old Crow. It used to be. 256 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: What happened so and then why did Crow? Why did 257 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: Old Crow and James Crow? Why did they sell to Beam? 258 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: If they had a heated rivalry, Why sell to your rival? 259 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: So it was owned by a company called National Distillers 260 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: by the nineteen eighties, and that that company was basically 261 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: just getting out of the spirit's business. So they they 262 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: sold their entire portfolio to Jim Beam. And in my 263 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: book Bottom Shelf, I uncovered like this like dark secret 264 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: that no one really knew about. No one ever really 265 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: talked about about why Jim Beam needed that whiskey so badly, 266 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 3: Like there was not there wasn't just a there wasn't 267 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: just a like we're going to acquire this and use, 268 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: you know, and knock it out of competition. They legitimately 269 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: needed the National Distillers the Old Crow whiskey to survive. 270 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: So Jim Beam in the late nineteen eighties was up 271 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 3: against some really really prominent regulations that were coming up, 272 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: and they were they were at risk of losing a lot. 273 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: Now what did they do with that whiskey? Well, I 274 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: mean they basically used the Old Crow whiskey to launch 275 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: what became small Batch. They created the entire Jim Beam 276 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: became one of the most important marketers of bourbon because 277 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 3: they pioneered and marketed the heck out of a small 278 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: batch whiskey. And that's what you see everywhere all the time. 279 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: But what Jim Beam did with that whiskey was good. 280 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 3: They just kicked in curbs dumped the Old Crow brand, 281 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 3: you know, they took the whiskey better, like e, we 282 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: don't care about Old Crow. 283 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 2: That's an amazing story. 284 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: And and that's and that's why, you know, I don't 285 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: know what's in Old Crow now, but you're telling me 286 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: it's not close to what was in Old Crow back 287 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: in its heyday. 288 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this, this, this is in a lot 289 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: of ways the Old Crows the New York Jets of 290 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 3: you know back So now I take that back because 291 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 3: the Jets actually have never really been that good. They 292 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 3: had that one, that one. 293 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, that's a great story and you can 294 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 1: hear more about it in Bottom Sheelf Fred Minnick's upcoming book. Uh, 295 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, whiskey tastes seem to have changed a lot. 296 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: And what I what, I don't know and you will 297 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: know better than me. We look at the heritage whiskey 298 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: brands like Jim Beam or Old Crow Seacum seven. Remember 299 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: seven and seven people, When I was a kid, everybody 300 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: ordered seven and sevens. I don't think most of the 301 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: listeners know what either of the sevens is any more. 302 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: Fred So has the whiskey changed or has our palettes 303 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: changed over time? If I opened a Seagrum seven today 304 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: would be anything like what a Seagrum seven was in 305 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies when it was a go to brand. 306 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting Seagrams that that was a blend. It 307 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 3: remains a blend, and so the palettes of whiskey drinking 308 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,719 Speaker 3: I would say, have moved away from from that style 309 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 3: of blend. If anything, they have moved toward. If they 310 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 3: had that kind of appeal, they probably have moved to 311 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 3: like Crown, you know, because that would be more in 312 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 3: the flavor profile that they like. But what captures so 313 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: many whiskey drinkers is marketing, and Seagrum seven was one 314 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 3: of those that is was very good at marketing. And 315 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 3: that company that owns Seagrams basically in the you know 316 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: it's namestake, Seagrams sold all its properties in the early 317 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: two thousands, and you know, people went into the mood. 318 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 3: The people who owned the company went into the movie business, 319 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 3: so they just completely got out of spirits business largely 320 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 3: all together. And whoever got you know, the people who 321 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 3: got the Seagrams brand just didn't care enough about it 322 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: to keep marketing it. But they did carry enough about 323 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 3: Crown Royal to push that. So a lot of a 324 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: lot of these things that we see in the cycles 325 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 3: of our life when it comes to Spirits is like 326 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 3: who's out there pushing it? And no one pushes Seagrams 327 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 3: really at a high level anymore. And now it's all 328 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 3: Kentucky Bourbon. You know, all these brands from from from 329 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 3: Kentucky to all the way to the you know, state 330 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 3: of Washington. 331 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: Who are the. 332 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: Great what are the brands that are really excellent marketers 333 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: right now in this moment? And if I went into 334 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: a liquor store, I would see, you know, I'd see 335 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: the fruits of all of their labors from a marketing standpoint. 336 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 3: You know, I don't think Maker's Mark has ever missed 337 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 3: a beat. I think Maker's Mark is probably the best 338 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 3: marketing company when it comes to bourbon. You know, they 339 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: put so much time and effort into their red wax marketing. Yep, 340 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 3: because like everybody knows it. Everybody knows it, and you 341 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 3: can't copy it. Because if you were to start the 342 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 3: old Charchyan bourbon tomorrow and put red wax on it, 343 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: they would do you so, you know, I mean they 344 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: they'd beat Jose Queervo in a massive lawsuit. So if 345 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: they can, if they can put Cleervo to submission, just 346 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 3: imagine what they can do to the old charging enterprises, 347 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 3: you know. So I think makers Mark is the is 348 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 3: the absolute best when it comes to marketing bourbon. Another 349 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 3: one that I feel like has done more of a 350 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: cultural connection with people who are actively looking for super 351 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 3: premium is a smaller brand called Mictors. Mictors is on 352 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 3: a show called Billions. They've been in all kinds of 353 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: TV shows. It just seems like wherever there's some kind 354 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 3: of wealthy conversation or a couple of stockbrokers getting together, 355 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: they're pouring something like Mictors. Buffalo Trace has has done 356 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 3: it has done a great job as well, but they've 357 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 3: been they've been kind of vilified a little bit in 358 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 3: the community because everybody wants their products and they can't 359 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 3: get it, and so they're like they you know, go 360 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: on the message boards and everything and hate them, but 361 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 3: but Buffalo Trace wins a lot. 362 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: Victor's are so good. I've got I've got the rye 363 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: in my house right now. You gave me when I 364 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: visited you about five years ago in your office in Louisville, Fred, 365 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: you gave me a bottle of their their ten year 366 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: old suburban and it was one of the best bottles 367 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: I've ever had. Uh, Victor's, for my money, can basically 368 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: do no wrong. I just I feel like their their 369 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: product is just out, just outstanding. 370 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: And it's a it's a beautiful story because, like you know, 371 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 3: this guy that came, you know, basically resurrected the Victor's brand. 372 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 3: You know, that was a historic Pennsylvania brand and when 373 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: they you know, he acquired the trademarks for it in 374 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 3: the late nineteen eighties and started putting Kentucky whiskey in it. 375 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 3: And when he did that, all the like Pennsylvania whiskey 376 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: people were very upset because how there there was a 377 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: huge rival rivalry between Pennsylvania and Kentucky for a long time. 378 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 3: And so for this to happen is the equivalence of 379 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 3: the Colts moving to Indianapolis. Right. It just was a 380 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 3: it was a big deal, and so Micters drew a 381 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 3: lot of hate and criticism in the early to mid 382 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 3: two thousands because they were gain a notoriety with Kentucky 383 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 3: whiskey versus Pennsylvania stuff. But they've since built their own distillery. 384 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 3: They pay a lot of homage to that they're Pennsylvania roots, 385 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 3: and I think most of that stuff has been forgiven, 386 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 3: except for those who just still hold grudges. But I'll 387 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: tell you what, they made great whiskey. They're Bomberger's PFG 388 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 3: finished third in my top one hundred, So wow, you 389 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: know they're doing good stuff. 390 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Micter's fantastic. 391 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: Now, speaking of allocations of Buffalo Trace, the Utah Boves 392 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: scene is just it's terrible. Fortunately, Fred I live about 393 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: sixty minutes away from the Nevada border, so i can 394 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: get to leave count liquors and I've got a lot 395 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: of options. And it just amazes me that how this 396 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: is so state by state, Nevada has everything and it's 397 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: affordable and also legalized prostitution. 398 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if you. 399 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: Can do that in Mesquite maybe I don't know, And 400 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: then you know, I but if I'm fifteen more minutes 401 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: towards Utah. I can walk into the one government liquor 402 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: store in town, and my selection is terrible. The prices 403 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: are not good. There's you know you will never you know, 404 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: I can't get Mickter's there. You know I can get 405 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: If I want a bottle of Jim Beam, I can 406 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: get Jim Beam. If I want Jack Daniels, I can 407 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: do that. It's it's absurd. Oh and by the get this, Utah. 408 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: Starting January one, every single person must show ID when 409 00:24:53,640 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: buying alcohol. I've been legally drinking since nineteen eighty six. Yes, 410 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: and I'm getting carted because every single person has to 411 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: get carted. No judgment based on your appearance and how 412 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: old you obviously are. 413 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what you know, Utah. You move 414 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: there for the for the mountains and the scenery, right, 415 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: not for their applications. But they're kind of uh in 416 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 3: the liquor business. Utah is one of those states where 417 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: everyone kind of knows, you know, it's difficult there. But 418 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 3: the thing is is that there is demand and High 419 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 3: West has done a really good job opening up a 420 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 3: lot of a lot of the laws there. I mean, 421 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 3: I think up until a couple of years ago, there 422 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: was a law where a bartender had to be behind 423 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 3: a curtain in order to make a drink so you 424 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 3: couldn't see them, you know. So like that, that's one 425 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 3: of the laws that I believe has changed in. 426 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: Utah, but it has it has changed, I can't confirm. 427 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, So there there is you know, when you're in 428 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: a really religious state that these laws are often on 429 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 3: the books from the thirties through the sixties. And Alabama 430 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 3: has a law where you can't buy donuts in a 431 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 3: liquor store, and South Carolina has a law where you 432 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 3: can't sell magazines within like one hundred feet of whiskey, 433 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 3: so you can't have you can't have drunks having too 434 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 3: much community carbs, and you can't have you can't have 435 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: them too literate. You know. So there's just all these 436 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: laws that are on the books, and it just takes 437 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 3: time to peel them away, and you know, people get 438 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 3: more focused on more important zoning issues and things like 439 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: that and municipalities and counties and states. So people who 440 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 3: want to sell liquor often just so you know, they 441 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: don't know the avenue is to change them. And here 442 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 3: in the last twenty years that there's been a big 443 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: change in that and Utah is one of the ground 444 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 3: levels without High West. I mean, who knows how things 445 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 3: would be there? 446 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and High West is everywhere here. 447 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's it's ubiquitous, which which is which 448 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: is great? It's it's it's it's a good product, and 449 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad, I'm glad it is here. Fred Minnick America's 450 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: premiere Whiskey Expert. Uh really encourage you to check out 451 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: the two podcasts, The Fred Minick Show. But you have 452 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: astounding guests on the Fred Minnick Show. I know you've 453 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: had the mannings on and it's just it's it's staggering 454 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: to me the level of superstars that you have on 455 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: the Fred Minnick Show, because people love to talk about whiskey. 456 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: Then there's Fourth in Neat, your other podcast with Jared Allen. 457 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: We encourage people to check that out as well. And 458 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: your forthcoming book is called Bottom Shelf. You get to 459 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: learn a lot more about the story of Old Crow, 460 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: along with Fred's personal story, military service. You alluded to 461 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: your battle with PTSD and a lot of great stuff 462 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: in Bottom Shelf as well. Fred, thank you for joining. 463 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: It's been a ton ton of fun catching up. 464 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure, my friend, and be on the 465 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 3: lookout for who I should be picking next year for Fantasy. 466 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 3: I got the number one pick. I won the toilet 467 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 3: Bowl in my league, so I got over pick for 468 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: next tell. 469 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: Right, So you're the second worst team, Actually. 470 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 3: No, I was one. I was one spot from the playoffs, 471 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 3: and uh I started I started uh uh party over 472 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: Uh No. I started Jordan Love over party one week 473 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 3: and it killed me and I got bounced in the playoffs. 474 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 3: But I would have won the playoffs because my scores 475 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 3: were so high I had. Yeah, it's a sore spot 476 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 3: in my life right now, but yeah. 477 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 4: It was. 478 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: It was the Jordan Love game. Yeah, the Jordan Love game. 479 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 1: I think Week sixteen that he got knocked out of 480 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: that ended one of my playoff runs as well. 481 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: So I feel your pain on that. That was. That 482 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: was a tough one for. 483 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 3: It tough, but I'll be back next year. I want 484 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: to get him. 485 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: There's always next year. That's what we say in Minnesota 486 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: with our sports teams. 487 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 3: Uh. 488 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: Fred, thanks so much for joining us. Great to great 489 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: to catch up and and we'll do it again. 490 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: Hi, my friend, cheers, cheers Fred. 491 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,479 Speaker 1: Minnick, great dude, and really really fun podcast. We encourage 492 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: you to check that out for sure. Coming up at 493 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: the top of the hour, I will be joined by 494 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: Sigmund Bloom. We're going to talk about a variety of 495 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: things around around the NFL, including the coaching carousel. When 496 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: we return immediately, I want to get into some JJ 497 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: McCarthy stuff. We did the big Sam Darnold diatribe. I 498 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: did encourage people to use the text line. Let me 499 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: get that back. I used to have the check text 500 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: line all memorized. It was a piece of cake. It 501 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: is the branch on Brian Kafan text line six four 502 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: six eighty six is the number. Of course, you can 503 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: talk back iHeartRadio app microphone for thirty seconds and you 504 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: can let us know what you think about the Sam 505 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: Darnald situation. The Vikings made a mistake, unequivocal. It's not 506 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: deniable now. I don't think there's anywhere for anybody to 507 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: hide if they want to try to suggest the Vikings 508 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: to not make a mistake. But if you heard that segment, 509 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: you are welcome to respond to that as well. We'll 510 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: return more Paul Charcian coming up after this break a fan. 511 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Paul Charchian in Today, Brent Blake Moore with 512 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: me as well. Brent, I've barely even given you a 513 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: chance to crack a mic. It has been all diatribe 514 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: all morning. That Donald diatribe was a long one. If 515 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: you want to get in any cheap shots, you're a 516 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: You are a known admitted Packer fan. Yeah, you were 517 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: outed years ago. If you want to get any cheap 518 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: shots on the Vikings fumbling the Sam Darnold situation, this 519 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: is your chance. 520 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: I'll just say, I mean, I don't. I don't. 521 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 4: I'm not in the business of kicking people while they're down, 522 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 4: despite the smugness and Packer preview, I just never have been. 523 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 4: It is just not laughable, not ironic, for lack of 524 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 4: a better word, ironic, but it's just so Vikings like 525 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 4: that this offseason you have. It's like you're on a 526 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 4: game show and you have four doors in front of you, 527 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 4: and the host says, three of these doors are going 528 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 4: to be a solid quarterback and the other one you're 529 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 4: going to be eliminated by Christmas. Pick which one you want, 530 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 4: and the Vikings happened to stuff you have the Rogers 531 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 4: door you have, which would have been fine yep. 532 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: I don't know how good blade shockingly well brought his 533 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: team to a division championship. 534 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 4: I still don't know if he comes back even with McCarthy, 535 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 4: but that's neither here nor there. You have the Danny 536 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 4: Dimes door, which turned out to be pretty okay, it 537 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 4: would have been probably fine. You have the Sam Darnald door, 538 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 4: which we've talked about exclusively now that he's a Super 539 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 4: Bowl appearing quarterback, and then you have the JJ McCarthy door, 540 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 4: and the Vikings went, let's go with door number four. 541 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 4: Play door number nine, plays us what they went with. 542 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 4: And I'm I don't think JJ is doomed forever. Like 543 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 4: I get one hundred percent. They made a mistake. They 544 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 4: should have went with Donald. Everything you've said so far 545 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 4: I agree with, But I don't think he's doomed to 546 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 4: be a terrible quarterback forever. If we get into like 547 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 4: halfway through next season and we're still talking about fundamentals 548 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 4: and pure progressions, then I'm getting my INTENTNA goes up. 549 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 2: Uh oh. We might have trouble here, but. 550 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 4: I'm still I'm still riding it out personally, because you 551 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 4: have seen some flashes, but the flashes have been few 552 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 4: and far between. 553 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: I think that's. 554 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: Probably pretty accurate. Flashes were not enough. Well, I'm going 555 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: to talk about McCarthy in detail here in just a minute. 556 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: Your team, the Packers, there's a scenario, a non zero chance, 557 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: not likely, non zero chance, your team has the wrong 558 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: quarterback that you're going to go through your version of 559 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: what we just went through. Malik Willis looked really good. 560 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: Small sample size, small sample size, but two games Leek 561 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: Willis looked really good. And Jordan Love. I thought Jordan 562 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: Love was going to take a big step forward this year. 563 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: To me, looked just like the same guy he did 564 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: last year. And last year we used the groin injury 565 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: as an excuse for a lot of mediocre play. There's 566 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: that was not that was not part. 567 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: Of what held back Jordan Love this year. I just 568 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 2: I don't. 569 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody can say. And Love is with 570 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: certainty the solution for the Packers at quarterback. He's paid 571 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: like it he is. I'm trying to quickly. I didn't 572 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: know I was going to have to defend Jordan Love 573 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: again today, which is fine. If you look at any 574 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: advanced analytic he is in the top like qbr EPA, 575 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: He's consistently in the top as well as Green bayised 576 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: in general the composite rankings for all these he's like 577 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: a top five quarterback. And of course I'm not gonna 578 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: be able to find it as soon as I need it. 579 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it's. 580 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 4: Him, Purty, Stafford are all in that upper echelon of 581 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 4: QB composite rankings. The guy is so good, and I 582 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 4: think it's more of a low floor and play calling 583 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 4: thing that they got to be a little bit better 584 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 4: and put the ball in his hands more often, especially 585 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 4: when Josh Jacobs isn't going. 586 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 2: And I'll retweet it whenever I find it. 587 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 4: But all the staff and all the advanced analytics tell 588 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 4: me that Jordan Love is an elite quarterback and will be. 589 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 4: And Malik Willis he's got his fun. You know, Malik 590 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 4: Willis is like the fling you met in college, you know, 591 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 4: at the bar where you're gonna have a great time 592 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 4: and it's gonna be fun, but you're not. 593 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,479 Speaker 2: You're not gonna marry this gal. 594 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 4: You know, she's okay, she's a fun time, she'll get 595 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 4: you hammered, but you're not marrying here. And that's that's 596 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 4: how I feel about Malik I think he's gonna be good. 597 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 4: I think i'll flashes. I think it'll be similar. You know, 598 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 4: he's got the kind of Kyler Murray esque with He's 599 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 4: probably a better passer than he is. I'm assuming maybe 600 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 4: Miami could be a destination for him. But I will 601 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 4: not even entertain. I'm a huge Love defender, obviously, but 602 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna entertain that Willis is better than Loves. 603 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: The if to me, if Jordan Love is who you 604 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: said he is, how about scoring more than once in 605 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: the second half the Bears game. How about defending your 606 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: twenty one to three lead. How about how about defending 607 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: your twenty seven to sixteen lead. Now I understand your team, 608 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: but up twenty seven points, that's probably that maybe should 609 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 1: have been enough to win. You just feel like great 610 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: quarterbacks find a way to win even when your defense 611 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: is crumbling. And that's a lot of what happened, of course, 612 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 1: in the second half, is the Bears scored all those 613 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: points in the fourth quarter, something. 614 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: Twenty two points in the fourth quarter or something like that. 615 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: I just feel like Jordan Love should be you know, 616 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: if you are that good any He threw four touchdowns 617 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: and no interceptions, I mean, you know, I'm not saying 618 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: you play badly. I am saying great quarterbacks find a 619 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: way to win that game. 620 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 4: So first of all, the defense gave up twenty five 621 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 4: points in the fourth quarter, so I think it's hard 622 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 4: to And there's had four touchdowns. You came like the 623 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 4: third quarterback to throw four touchdowns no picks and lose 624 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 4: a playoff games. So it's incredibly rare. I found the 625 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 4: composite QB rankings total QBR in the entire NFL the 626 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five season. Jordan Love's second EPA per play second, 627 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 4: completion percentage above expected, fifth, bad throw percentage eleventh, pressure 628 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 4: to sack percentage seventh, air yards per reception thirteenth, as 629 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 4: overall score second in the NFL. And you're advanced. You've 630 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 4: got brock Purty one, Love, two May three Stafford for 631 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 4: Prescott five. That is your top analytical metric. But I 632 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 4: will say this in your avenue for fantasy owners, I 633 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 4: wouldn't touch. I don't think Jordan Love is a good, 634 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 4: reliable fantasy quarterback right now. 635 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 2: I think a lot of that. I might yeah, yeah, 636 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 2: so I might be tanked. I might be tainting my viewpoint. Yeah, 637 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 2: with a fantasy angle, which I'm known to do. 638 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, I'm so immersed in fantasy 639 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: that sometimes that does happen. And Malik Willis's rushing makes 640 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: him a uniquely good fantasy player. Yeah, and Love is 641 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: more just your steady fantasy player, and maybe that's good 642 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 1: enough to win games. 643 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 4: High floor, low ceiling type quarterback. I wouldn't. I would 644 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 4: be looking for the more explosive you know, your Josh 645 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 4: Allen's obviously, but someone that's going to throw and run 646 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 4: for a lot and put up a lot of points. 647 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 4: And Love's just not going to be that fantasy guy. Especially, 648 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 4: they don't even know who their wide receiver room's going 649 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 4: to be. And if the guy that drafted first or 650 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 4: all is good enough, that knows the playbook well enough 651 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 4: and can block well enough, they'll throw to them. So 652 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 4: they've got a lot to figure out, but the talent's 653 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 4: certainly there. 654 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: My good friend Dan reminding me that Garrett Bradbury headed 655 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. Yeah, that was a player. The Vikings. 656 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: You know, we were talking about Sam Donald, you know, 657 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: the decision to let Sam Donald go. Also Garrett Bradberry, 658 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,280 Speaker 1: and you know the Vikings and in fairness, Bradbury hadn't 659 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: played very well here, but we also just fired our 660 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: offensive line code. So you know, I don't know where 661 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: the blame may lie and and may not, but that 662 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: looks like another another dubious decision, and you're not going 663 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: to get them all right. And I totally understand that 664 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: no general manager is ever perfect, the no front office 665 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: as a group is ever perfect. But knowing that Garrett 666 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: Bradberry played so much better, and you know Ryan Kelly, 667 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: so we you know, we moved over to Ryan Kelly. 668 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: And just knowing that we invested into a guy who 669 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: had four known concussions and then obviously was unavailable for 670 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: huge chunks of this year because of concussions. Also a 671 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: frustrating decision. When we come back, let's talk through JJ McCarthy. 672 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: I haven't had a chance to really talk on these 673 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 1: airwaves about his season. Just get in my two cents 674 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: and I think it all. You know, the whole, the 675 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: whole view of JJ McCarthy does change at least a 676 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: bit knowing what Sam Darnold has done and what he 677 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: did with this team. Let's talk to where we are, 678 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy when we come back. 679 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 2: This is the kind of jazz. 680 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,959 Speaker 1: I don't like, give me some cannon Ball Adderly, give 681 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: me some John Coltrane. Give me some Miles Davis, especially 682 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: the fifties and sixties era Miles Davis. Not as interested 683 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties era Miles Davis. I want 684 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: some dimly lit, smoke filled bar kind of jazz. This 685 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: fusion stuff, bah it was. It was not great in 686 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: the eighties and it's not great now. 687 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 2: You're hard to please. 688 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: That's I am hard to please about that. Brett very 689 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 1: very touchy on my jazz. This is uh, yeah, I 690 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, there's nobody who listens to that 691 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 1: and goes, oh, I gotta get you know, I gotta 692 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: shazam that I need more of that band. 693 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 2: Ah, it's never gonna happen. 694 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: I asked people to pass along their thoughts on Sam 695 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: Darnald and my Donald diatribe from earlier today, and for 696 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: those that missed it, we can say, in the form 697 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: of a declarative statement, the Vikings made a mistake by 698 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: not signing Sam Donald. I don't think there is any 699 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 1: room for equivocation on that, but I'm willing to listen. 700 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: I asked people to respond via the text and talk 701 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: lines and RTT tell me what we've got. Yeah, I 702 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: have been looking at the text line there. There's a 703 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: couple thoughts on Donald. Here's one angle that a couple 704 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 1: people have said. This is Jacob and Virginia. I agree 705 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: that they should have signed him Donald, but they did 706 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: extend an offer which he declined. That was missing in 707 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: the context of your Donald diatribe. Here's another one. I 708 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 1: would have wanted to say a Viking. Well, it's the same, 709 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: it's the same idea I would have wanted to say 710 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: a Viking. But to say the Viking's messed up is 711 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: not completely true. They made an offer. Donald had an 712 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: equal share in deciding he wanted to leave. Teams can't 713 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: just keep whoever they want because they want to. Okay, 714 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: that's fair. But you know he Donald wanted to be 715 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: the starter. That's all I mean. 716 00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 2: He wanted. 717 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: He said he wanted to stay here to be the starter, 718 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: and he would have stayed here if we had just 719 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: told him he could be the starter. He didn't want 720 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: to be looking over his shoulder, much like Kirk Cousins 721 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: didn't want to be looking over his shoulder waiting for 722 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy to start, and I think that would have 723 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: been fair, you know. So all you had to do 724 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,439 Speaker 1: was say, Sam, you played great in twenty twenty four. 725 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:33,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna take this opportunity to even further mentor JJ 726 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: McCarthy for some future date. Remember JJ McCarthy was the 727 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,359 Speaker 1: youngest starting quarterback in the NFL this last year, let 728 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: alone the year before that he lost due to injury. 729 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: You could have just told Sam, yeah, you're the starter, 730 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: and you might have even meant it. And the probability 731 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: is that Sam would have played like he did with Seattle, 732 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: maybe even better. He threw for more yards and more 733 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,439 Speaker 1: touchdowns with Minnesota they did with Seattle. That Sam would 734 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: have played well, would have stayed your starter all year, 735 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: and the Vikings would be in the playoffs, maybe the 736 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,919 Speaker 1: super Bowl, given how well the defense was playing. And 737 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,240 Speaker 1: so I you know, yes that it's a fair point 738 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 1: the Vikings did. 739 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 2: They did extend an offer. 740 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: But if you extend an offer without offering your that 741 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: guy to be the starting quarterback, it's not gonna work. 742 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: It's also why they didn't get Daniel Jones. Same thing. 743 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: So I I rebuffed that rebuttal, well, here's here's another one. 744 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,839 Speaker 1: So this is seven oh one. Guy, I believe that's 745 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: no deck off the top of my head. I have 746 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 1: to double check. 747 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 4: You seem to have a blind spot when it comes 748 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 4: to protecting the quarterback. If our O line wouldn't have 749 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 4: gotten any better, it could have been more games like 750 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 4: the last two we played for the Vikings. The dollars 751 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 4: save or used to bolster other lines. Let's see, here's 752 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 4: another one charge. Okay, yes, and hindsight, it would been 753 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 4: great to have Sam that did the Vike. I think 754 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 4: the Vike's offer from a contract. You talked about that, 755 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 4: and if we did keep them, we don't have as 756 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 4: much cash to spend on the O line and the 757 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 4: D line, And in hindsight, if we didn't get the 758 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 4: best options there either. The GM on a good run 759 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:01,719 Speaker 4: says nine to five to two. 760 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 3: Guy. 761 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, right, Okay, Sure you saved yourself 762 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: quarterbacking money so that you could put it into Ryan 763 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,239 Speaker 1: Kelly and his missed games, so you could put it 764 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: into Javon Hargrave and Jonathan Allen and those are replacement 765 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: level players, those guys that you know that was money. 766 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 1: You know, when in doubt, put your money towards your quarterback. 767 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 1: You're proven good quarterback. 768 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 2: I didn't you know. 769 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,839 Speaker 1: Look, I know that there are many Brazinski's out there 770 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,319 Speaker 1: who love to tweak the cap around and really do 771 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 1: firmly believe you can't get to a super Bowl paying 772 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: Sam Donald, with Sam Donald got paid, despite fact Sam 773 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: Donald's in Super Bowl. I know that because that's all 774 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,359 Speaker 1: I heard was that's all I heard for six years 775 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,879 Speaker 1: with Kirk Cousins is we're never gonna win with Kirk 776 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: Cousins because. 777 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 2: He's got fourteen percent of the salary cap tied. 778 00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 3: Up in one guy. 779 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,760 Speaker 2: Oh can't win like that now with fourteen percent? 780 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: No, no, no quarterback has ever won the Super Bowl 781 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: who had higher than a thirteen and a half percent 782 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: salary cap hit. 783 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have to do with those people. 784 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: It's I you know, I just I really hope my 785 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: favorite team isn't entering another of the Keenum Bradford, Bridgewater, Castle, Ponder, 786 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:32,280 Speaker 1: farrat Ta Varis Jackson runs too old for that. Brett 787 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: you can you know you've got it in you. You're 788 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,839 Speaker 1: you're you're a Backer fan. You would love to see 789 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 1: another run like that for twenty years. I don't I can't. 790 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:39,920 Speaker 1: I can't be a part of that. 791 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 2: Again. 792 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: That's we have to We just have to get this 793 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 1: figured out. Let's take a break, Brett yep. When we 794 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: come back, singing blooms from my long time favorite people 795 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: to talk to in the fantasy industry, industry, all around football, 796 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 1: great football mind. I want to talk to him about 797 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: he's also a huge Steelers fan. I want to talk 798 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,360 Speaker 1: to him a little bit about Aaron Rodd. The decision 799 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy's really weird, some of the coaching stuff 800 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: that's gone around here. I'll get his first blush thoughts 801 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: on the super Bowl. We haven't even talked about the 802 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: looming Super Bowl, Brett. We'll do that a little bit 803 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: as well, and get an outsider's viewpoint on JJ McCarthy 804 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:16,399 Speaker 1: as well. 805 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 2: Sigmund Blum joins us when we come back to the 806 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 2: fan