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A couple 11 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: leftover items regarding the Purple and their Sunday morning date 12 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: with Destiny as opposed to the Gophers date with Destiny 13 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: in Columbus, Ohio. That's a Saturday night game I have 14 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: in front of me. The National Football League QBR rankings. 15 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: This is ESPN thinks it has more accurate and a 16 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: more accurate measure of quarterback excellence than the traditional National 17 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: Football League sanctioned rating. 18 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: The ESPN folks. 19 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: Have put together something called QBR. 20 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: And the list is interesting. 21 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: The top ranked quarterback in all of football by QBR 22 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: is a former Viking named Danny Dimes. Daniel Jones is 23 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: at seventy nine point one. That's his QBR. That is 24 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: almost that's a point and a half ahead of Josh Allen, 25 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: who is number two. Ninth ranked quarterback National Football League QBR, 26 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, Seattle sixty five point nine for the record, 27 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: Blake Morrall, try to keep you interested in this segment 28 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: at least a little more than usual. Jordan Love is 29 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: ranked thirteenth currently in QBR, just ahead of the fast 30 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: rising Caleb Williams, and Williams is one ahead of Baker Mayfield. 31 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: Going a little bit further down the list, Carson Wentz 32 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings is the twenty eighth ranked quarterback in QBR. 33 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: So if I'm reading this right, and by the way, 34 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: let me find Aaron Rodgers for the record is twenty 35 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: two So if I have this right, one, two, three, yeah, Actually, well, 36 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: technically four former Vikings quarterbacks or quarterbacks who might have 37 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: joined the team are all ranked higher than the current 38 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: Vikings quarterback Carson Wentz. 39 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: And for the record, JJ McCarthy. 40 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: His QBR rating is one and a half points worse 41 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: than the quarterback currently ranked dead last thirty two cam 42 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: Ward cam Ward's twenty two point eight. JJ McCarthy's twenty 43 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: one point two. By the way, Joe Flacco just demoted 44 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: by the Cleveland Browns is second to last in QBR rating. 45 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: I said this yesterday and I stand by it. There's 46 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: a lot of season yet to go. I get that, 47 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: but this whole season is going to be a very 48 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: unique referendum on the Vikings quarterback situation because they had 49 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: they had they, I mean, they were rich with options 50 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: coming off last season, at least on paper right now. 51 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: Some of the options might not have been as practical 52 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: as others. But there was the JJ McCarthy option, which 53 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: they obviously took and believed in. There was the Danny 54 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: Dimes option. They allegedly offered him more money than he 55 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: ended up taking within Indianapolis, but he probably realized the 56 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 2: wheels were greased that JJ was going to be the starter, 57 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 2: better chance to get the winning win the j in Indianapolis, 58 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 2: and he's already been vindicated in that regard. Sam Darnald 59 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 2: aren't coming from a year ago off to a very 60 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 2: good start with Seattle. We're sitting three and zero and 61 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, who looked really good in a sort of 62 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: controlled passing environment last week. But what did he do 63 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 2: against the Vikings in Dublin? Made the right read, got 64 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: rid of the ball quick, negated whatever ideas that b 65 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: Flow had about pressuring him at the line of scrimmage, which, 66 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: by the way, the Vikings had done swimmingly when Rodgers. 67 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 3: Was with the Jets a year ago. 68 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: Right and so right now, all three of those other options, Donald, 69 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: Dimes and Rogers looked better measured against JJ McCarthy's start 70 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 2: of the year. And fair or unfair, that's going to 71 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: be the game this whole season. It can get taken 72 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: care of. If McCarthy emerges, it won't matter, right, But 73 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: if he doesn't, you're going to hear it. 74 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: And it's all fair. I think it's as. 75 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: We talked about Sean Salisbury yesterday. That's the way this 76 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: thing indeed works. Now we know Wentz is starting on Sunday, 77 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: and my well, I won't say I am certain that 78 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: he will start against the Eagles. I think it's possible 79 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: that Wentz starts again even after the bye. But I 80 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: said this a few weeks ago. These things have a 81 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: way of taking care of themselves. If Wentz plays great, 82 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: I think it's actually more likely he'll play and the 83 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: Vikings win. If the Vikings win and he's mediocre, probably 84 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: opens the door to a quick return for JJ McCarthy. 85 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: All the variables I think will be taken under consideration here, 86 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: and it may well depend and not It should depend 87 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: not just on whether the Vikings win, but as I said, 88 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: how Wentz plays. 89 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: Put this way. If Wentz plays is up and down. 90 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: As he did last week, I think it becomes a 91 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: little easier to go come back with McCarthy. The question 92 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: is whether you're going to want to come back with 93 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: McCarthy if your offensive line is still bent or damaged 94 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: or injured or screwed up. 95 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: That's the other X factor to consider. 96 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: Trial ref Guy was a trail ref Guy should say 97 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: was listening to our first couple of segments, which I 98 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: think we're basically themed. You know, go play win the game, 99 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: because I thought we've reached a point of critical mass 100 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: when it comes to the fear and loathing about what 101 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: challenges the Vikings face on Sunday morning. The crippled offensive line, 102 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: crippled linebacker corps, the fact that the Browns have one 103 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: of the best defenses in football, and my basic cremise 104 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: was I understand not having a great deal of confidence 105 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: in the club right now, but at some point you're 106 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: either good enough you're not. And I don't have a 107 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: lot of sympathy for the Vikings and their injuries because 108 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: of how they played around with even their first home 109 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: game against the Atlanta Falcons. And I'm not gonna believe 110 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: that that's all injury related what took place in that game, 111 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: any more than the head coaches accepting it. At this point, 112 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: regarding the myriad penalties that we have committed, people are acting. Look, 113 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: it's coming perilously close to the notion that if the 114 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: Vikings beat the Browns on Sunday, it will be one 115 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: of the great upsets in the history of the National 116 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: Football League. And as trailer ref Guy points out or 117 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: reminds us and we, I guess we have confirmation based 118 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: on our last prediction segment. The Vikings are three and 119 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: a half point favorites. They're supposed to win the game. 120 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: That's not act like this would be a miracle. Go 121 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: play like they're capable of and win like they're supposed to. 122 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: It's not that difficult. Well, it shouldn't be. And I'll 123 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: say again, if it is, then you're not what you 124 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 2: thought you were, at least not at this particular juncture 125 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 2: in the still relatively young season, but about to become 126 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: more than young season. Five games in, we're, you know, 127 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: approaching the one third mark, and we've all, i think 128 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: agreed that the first five games were the most inviting 129 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: section of the entire schedule. You come out of that 130 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: two and three, it's hard to believe that you're a 131 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: very good team. But again, to pretend that we are 132 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: the only team that's ever had its offensive line crippled, 133 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: I mean, there are teams with crippled offensive lines that 134 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: still find a way to win. Believe it or not, 135 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: they do and sooner or later, you do it or 136 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: you don't. And so let's again stop pretending that this 137 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: should be too much to ask. That's what I'm almost 138 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: what I'm hearing from people. That's too much to ask. 139 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: I mean, if that's true, then you're not close to 140 00:09:59,240 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: what you thought you were. 141 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: I don't care who you have out. 142 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: And I'll say again, we faced several teams with significant injuries, 143 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: and no one cares about whatever those situations are. For 144 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: the other team, Nor should anybody care about the current 145 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: predicament of your club. And if you, by the way, 146 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: take care of business. For example, in the Atlanta game, 147 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: you're okay here. If you start the game earlier against Pittsburgh, 148 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: even with the offensive line issues, if your defense comes, 149 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: you know, prepared to play, then you've given yourself more 150 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: margin for error. So to put this all on, what 151 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: are you gonna do just one of those years? That's 152 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 2: way too easy. That's letting the club, I would say 153 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: off the hook too easily. 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Tickets 169 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: on sale now Full details kfa N dot com keyword calendar. 170 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: What has the Minnesota Timberwolves karma already been shattered before 171 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 2: they have played a single preseason game, let alone regular 172 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: season game? 173 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: Is it over for your Minnesota Timberwolves? 174 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: That is the question on the table in the wake 175 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: of a startling development today at one Male Clinic Square. 176 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 2: Do you know who stopped by to visit during Timberwolves workout? 177 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: Don't The oppressor? Tom Thibodeaux was there. He was even 178 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 2: seen chatting with Dante Di Vincenzo and Julius Randall. Now, 179 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: what are the chances that whatever chemistry we've developed, whatever 180 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: good karma we have going, could survive the return to 181 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: Minnesota of the oppressor? Most recently? It's funny how things work. 182 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: The New York Knickerbockers had their best season in two decades, 183 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: got to the conference finals, and his reward, Tibbs reward, 184 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: was his dismissal. So now he's bored, got nothing to do. 185 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: So what he does is he just goes from camp 186 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: to camp. In fact, I think last week or earlier 187 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: this week, he was out West hanging out with the Warriors. No, 188 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: it might have been the Clippers, maybe both, because this 189 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: is what he does when TIBs gets fired. He did 190 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: this when the Wolves got rid of him. He's got 191 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: nothing else going, you know, He's it's just basketball is 192 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: his life. So he just visits people he knows and 193 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: hangs out of various camps. And he was at our 194 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: camp today. I'm shocked we didn't bar him, knowing what 195 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: bad karma he brought. Remember how bad? Remember do you 196 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: remember the demonization of Tibbs on his way out the door. 197 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: He was the root of all of our evils all. 198 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: It wasn't just that he engineered a big trade that ultimately, 199 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: you know, blew up in their faces, the Jimmy Butler deal. 200 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: It was his karma was off. Nobody had any fun, 201 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: nobody liked playing with them, nobody liked playing for him. 202 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 3: Remember there were. 203 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: Accusations that he was throwing computer terminals through windows. It 204 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: was just, I mean, it got to the point where 205 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: stuff that happened before he even coached here, he was 206 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: being held responsible for it got that ridiculous here. 207 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: Everything was his fault. 208 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: Everybody was terrified by nobody could have any fun with him. 209 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 3: And we bring him here back when we didn't have to. 210 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: So I hope when we look back on the twenty 211 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: twenty five twenty six Wolves season, we don't trace our difficulties. 212 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: Our struggles are unexpected challenges to not barring him at 213 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: the one Male Clinic square door. 214 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: That's all I'm gonna ask, That's all'm gonna say. 215 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: My question is what is worse Tibbs sitting in on 216 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: Wolves training camp or if Mike Zimmer sit in on 217 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: that JJ McCarthy workout. 218 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: I mean, that's right up there. 219 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: It's very similar, one hundred percent right, that's very very true. Well, 220 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: like we said this week, we apparently we saw it coming. 221 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: I've described this week as the Zimmerization of Koc with 222 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: the comments he made to Pa, very impatient comments about 223 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: the penalty mistakes. 224 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: What are we doing? 225 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: How does this happen? No excuse for it? And then 226 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: we come to find out he's warring with the media. 227 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: Jackals over there, unhappy with some things that have been written. 228 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: Shut down, the locker. 229 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: Room closed, it apparently to the jackals today is what 230 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: we have been told as well. So we'll see if 231 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: I'm hoping that the wolves have enough going that they 232 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: can indeed rise above it. We've talked about this that 233 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: I mean here the one exception to the rule. 234 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: The rule is. 235 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: Generally on the way out the door, when a manager 236 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: gets fired, or a coach gets fired, or a general 237 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:48,359 Speaker 2: manager president of the operation gets fired, if they're not popular, 238 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: then the piling on is endless, right, It's it's well, 239 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: now he's out the door. Now we can really say 240 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: what we think, and we can maybe even go with 241 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: some stories that we did know how accurate they were, 242 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: but what the hell's the difference at this point, Let's 243 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: just go with it because that's. 244 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: What everybody wants to hear. 245 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: And so individuals who might have you know, not done 246 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: their jobs great end up getting blamed for stuff that 247 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: had nothing to do with them as well. It's just like, 248 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: that's the guy that's leaving, so let's blame every thing 249 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 2: on him. It's human nature, and it happens in the 250 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: sports business all the time. Here's the exception. The exception 251 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 2: is the guy who got dismissed earlier. 252 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: This week. Rocco. 253 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: Now there are Roco haters they text me every week 254 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 2: during the baseball season, but generally because in this case, 255 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: ownership is much more despised than Roco, at least in 256 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: terms of the numbers, the number of people who feel 257 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: that way. He's not being demonized on his way out 258 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: the door. In fact, there's a lot of people being 259 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: sympathetic to him, like, this is Roco. You don't even 260 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: know this yet, but this is the this is the worst. 261 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: I mean, this is the best for you, because this 262 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: is the worst situation for any manager, right and so 263 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: they actually did you a favor freeing you from this madness. 264 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: But he's the guy who's not getting piled on anywhere 265 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: near as much as most coaches or managers tend to. 266 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 2: As a result, by the way, a couple of people 267 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: are saying that we were we're on the road. In fact, 268 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: we have our first preseason game in San Diego, so 269 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: that's where the Wolves were practicing, and that's where Tibbs 270 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: visited the Wolves practice. That's a distinction with a lot 271 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 2: of difference. 272 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 3: To me, you could. 273 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: Say better than Mayo clinic square, because then you don't 274 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 2: have to rebless that facility. Once he leaves, it's not 275 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: our home facility, but as still he's still there polluting 276 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 2: our players. 277 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: He's still around our players. 278 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 2: So bad Karma's bad karma, whether it's San Diego or 279 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: in Minnesota as well. He visited the team exactly, it 280 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: doesn't matter where it took place. The Timbers allowed the 281 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: oppressor to hang out with the current roster. And we've 282 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: been told over and over again, Man, can't I just 283 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: I'll never forget it, just some of the conspiracy theories 284 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: that were spun out about just how evil he was. 285 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: He was so evil, like I said, as he led 286 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: the Knicks to their best season in decades, and the 287 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: rest is kind of history. Now, Ben Gesling, you might 288 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: think would still be across the pond with the Vikings. 289 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: Turns out no, he was across the pond for the 290 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 2: Dublin game. He's now back. He'll explain why he split 291 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 2: the difference and also his own views on the big 292 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: Sunday Morning the game between the Vikings and the Cleveland Browns. Again, 293 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: I'm sure an injury update from him will see if 294 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 2: he buys my accepts my theory of sometimes, no matter 295 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: what the situation is, you just got to go win 296 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 2: a damn game and whether he indeed is confidence that 297 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 2: the Vikings can take care of business, even if it's 298 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: a close game as most expect, or a low scoring 299 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: game as everybody expects. He's in fourteen minutes, and of 300 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: course lovel will join and will name the new Twins 301 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 2: manager at about five thirty. Stay tuned, Man, Country's Outlaws 302 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: coming to Minneapolis. Don't mix, Eric church Livak, Grand Casino Arena, 303 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: February seventh. The Chief brings the fire and you don't 304 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: want to miss it. Take us on sale now, Giffle details, 305 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: kfan dot Com. 306 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: Keyer calendar. 307 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: Randy Moss said it a long time ago, man, he 308 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: was right. Some people just can't handle the truth. They 309 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: just they get triggered by it. They just can't accept it. 310 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: They can't deal with it. They don't want to be 311 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: reminded of it, and so they make stuff up as 312 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: they go along, as is the case of several textures 313 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: as we speak, but we'll leave the textures aside for 314 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: the moment. Lavelle will join at about five thirty this evening. 315 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: Ben Gesling is joining us now via the Kinectical Water 316 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: Systems Hotline brought to you by our good friends at 317 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: Standard Heating and Air. So I get you probably told 318 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 2: me this and I wasn't listening, as I occasionally forget 319 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: to do. You're back, so you never were going to 320 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 2: cover both games across the pond. You are back in 321 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: the continental United States? 322 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 3: Correct? 323 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 4: That is correct? I am. I did Dublin and came 324 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 4: back to the US. Was planning to come back to 325 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 4: the US the day after the game, but my connecting 326 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 4: flight from Dublin to Amsterdam was delayed by about four hours, 327 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 4: and I think I was on a flight with like 328 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 4: seventy Vikings fans and then a couple of team officials 329 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 4: as well that we all got delayed to the point 330 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: where the connection miss and then it's kind of choose 331 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 4: your own adventure after that. So I had an extra 332 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 4: night in Amsterdam, where I had never been, so figured 333 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 4: out how to get myself downtown and rented a bicycle 334 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 4: and did the whole bike around Amsterdam thing for a 335 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 4: couple hours and made the best of it and then 336 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 4: came home Tuesday. We were on a kind of a 337 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 4: running back by committee beat writer by committee planned for 338 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 4: this one. Andrew Kramer is doing a London Dutch and 339 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 4: Jim Suhanna is over there as well, but yes I'm 340 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 4: back in the US. 341 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: So describe for me the symbolism and the message you 342 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 2: were attempting to deliver in the photo you you tweeted 343 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: out after this era, after this airline mishap, we shall say, 344 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: this scheduling disaster. What was the scene in the Netherlands 345 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: that you showed and was that your bike that you 346 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: had rented? 347 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 4: Yes, that was the bike I had rented. I figured 348 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 4: out there, you know, there's like the rent by the hour, 349 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 4: get it with your bluetooth, scanned the QR code, like 350 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 4: the scooters you'd get anywhere else. Found one of those, 351 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 4: and I was at the Rix Museum. I'm sure I'm 352 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 4: mispronouncing that, but the famous museum you see all the 353 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 4: postcards of in Amsterdam. So it was trying to be artsy, 354 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 4: lined the bike up and then basically made it so 355 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 4: that that would stand against that lamp post and could 356 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 4: get the museum in the background. I just biked around 357 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 4: to get a feel for the city, you know, all 358 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 4: the museums obviously were closed, but kind of saw a 359 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 4: lot of the postcard sites and got a feel for 360 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 4: what it was like to bike around Amsterdam, and I 361 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 4: mean anybody that's been there knows this that bikes are 362 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 4: like basically cars, and then there's bike lanes everywhere, and 363 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 4: you see bike traffic just about everywhere. So it was 364 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 4: fun to get a little experience of that. But yeah, 365 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 4: it was my attempt to be a little bit artsy 366 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 4: with it. But yeah, it had been one of those 367 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 4: days where between the delay and then trying to get 368 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 4: things rescheduled and on the phone with six or seven 369 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 4: different customer service people, it seemed like and is the 370 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 4: flight going to get held? Is it not? What do 371 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 4: we do? Yeah, it was quite a long day trying 372 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 4: to get back, but you know, you try to just 373 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 4: make the best of it and have some fun with 374 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 4: the layot wor because there's really nothing else you can 375 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 4: do other than just accept it and roll with it. 376 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 2: I'm going to try my working theory on you regarding 377 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: the Vikings in their game on Sunday, a Sunday morning, 378 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: of course, eight thirty opening kickoffs, six thirty pregame show 379 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 2: right here on the fan, and there will not be 380 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: a five am Sunday sermons. As much as I'm attempted 381 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 2: to do it, I don't think I'm going to here's what. 382 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: Let me back up. I think I'd have to reconsider 383 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: my position. If Minnesota University of Minnesota, your University of Minnesota, 384 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 2: the football team goes to Columbus and shocks the world 385 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: and beats the Buckeyes for the first time in twenty 386 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 2: five years, then I guess then I would probably have 387 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 2: to do a Sunday sermons at five am. But that's 388 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: going to take a lot. Maybe that'll be my pledge. 389 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: Now my Vikings theory, I understand the fear and loathing. 390 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 2: You were there for the Pittsburgh game. They did not 391 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: play very well. We've heard, I thought during the week 392 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: a crankier, more direct, almost zimmerized version of the head 393 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: coach when it comes to calling out individual breakdowns in 394 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: terms of the penalties. That to me tells me he's frustrated, 395 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 2: like in a big time way. And we know, and 396 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: you've laid it out beautifully, You've chronicled all their offensive 397 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 2: line issues. But there's a part of me that says, 398 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: sooner or later, you just got to go win a game. 399 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: The idea, I mean, the odds, the folks who put 400 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: the odds together. Still the vikings favored by three and 401 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 2: a half, no matter what burdens that we're dealing with here, 402 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: and so at some point, even if it means rising 403 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 2: up or somebody doing something better than they're capable of doing. 404 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 2: It is the Cleveland Browns that you're playing, and I 405 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: think you either you're either good enough to get to 406 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: get a victory. I guess steal a victory if you 407 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: want to call it that, even though we're favored, or 408 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: you're not. And sometimes that's just kind of what you 409 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 2: have to do. 410 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's all correct. I think the fact 411 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 4: that they are I think they're favored by a half 412 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 4: point more than they were last week, and they're getting 413 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback who has no rookie quarterback has beaten 414 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 4: the Vikings while Brian Flores, it's been the defensive coordinator. 415 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 4: That is the reason offensive line war and all that. 416 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 4: I take them to win this game because I think 417 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 4: that group is in a strong enough position even with 418 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 4: Andrew van Ginkel out. I think that group can carry 419 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 4: this defense through. And you have to find ways to 420 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 4: win games like this because the schedule, we all know 421 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 4: what it looks like after the buye and I think 422 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 4: there was a hope that you could be a little 423 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 4: more productive than they've been able to be with this 424 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 4: first stretch. But these are the types of games that 425 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 4: if you want to be in it at the end 426 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 4: and have this thing go or they hoped it could, 427 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 4: or at least be in the mixt to make the 428 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 4: playoffs and then see what happens after that, you have 429 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 4: to beat some of these teams. I mean, this is 430 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 4: not a game that should be beyond their reach. Even 431 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 4: with the offensive line issues and trying to figure out 432 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 4: how to block Miles Garrett. They have Christian darras aw back, 433 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 4: there are other people to deal with on that line, 434 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 4: and it's going to be a tough defensive assignment. But 435 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 4: it's also going to be tough for the Browns to 436 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 4: try to move the ball on this defense and deal 437 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 4: with all the different pressures that Brian Flores is going 438 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 4: to row at them. So I think this is one 439 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 4: where whether it's the defense getting the play that turns 440 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 4: things around or Carson Wentz just making enough things happen 441 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 4: for them to strain a couple of drives together, this 442 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 4: is one that I think, Yeah, I think it's totally 443 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 4: fair to say they need to win it and it's 444 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 4: one that if they're going to go anywhere they probably 445 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 4: need to have. 446 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: They probably do to come back here two three with 447 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 2: a buy. And again, you know. 448 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: We've seen it. It's not like they couldn't beat the Eagles. 449 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: The Eagles are good, but you're at home and we 450 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: see weirdness take place every week in the National Football League, 451 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: but obviously not put them in a very tenable position now. 452 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: I also mentioned earlier in the show that my sources 453 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 2: say that there may be the first media battle brewing 454 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: between the head coach and you, Jackals, and you're back here, 455 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 2: so I can't really blame you, I don't think for this. 456 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 2: But I was told there was great angst from the 457 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 2: head coach regarding the Jim Suhan column today, which I 458 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: wasn't all that. I didn't really think was all that controversial. 459 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: The column, for those who missed it, played out the 460 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: conspiracy theory that I think you and I have talked 461 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 2: about on air, that is it possible that you know 462 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 2: that some fans believe that perhaps JJ's not that injured 463 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: and that he was quote unquote benched and they're using 464 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: the injury to kind of protect him. Now, I believe 465 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 2: su Han tended to dismiss that as being likely that 466 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 2: the coach would do it. But I'm being told the 467 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 2: coach did not like that piece, or did not like 468 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: that aspect of it, didn't like some comments about well 469 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: sometimes KOC speaks in his words salad sentences which we've 470 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: all i think said or written from time to time 471 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: as well, and that the Jackals didn't have access or 472 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: as much access to the players in the locker room 473 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 2: today earlier today than they have in the past. Could 474 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: this be the first zimmerized brawl media related between KOC 475 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: and you guys, the media Jackals. 476 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have all of the details of everything 477 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 4: that happened, but yeah, I think there there's been some 478 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 4: tension over there. I think that's accurate to say. And 479 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 4: this whole idea of is this a quote unquote soft 480 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 4: benching or is he actually injured? I mean that has 481 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 4: been something that the head coach is not enjoying very much. So, 482 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I think Jim's column today was saying, Okay, 483 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 4: everybody's talking about this, let's address it right, and then 484 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 4: I think it ended basically saying I believe the team 485 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 4: that they're an injury and I've said it there is 486 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 4: an injury here that he's dealing with. I think that's 487 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 4: completely true. So I think some of it is this 488 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 4: when this keeps coming up and the questions keep coming up, 489 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 4: it's a little bit of the well, why are you 490 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 4: guys still asking about this when I've said that there 491 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 4: is an injury and that this is the timetable love 492 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 4: it and he's told us to detail what it is 493 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 4: and all of those things. And I think some of 494 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 4: it is we keep hearing from fans and there was 495 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 4: I think more of it today on social media just 496 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 4: about well this is obviously, you know, them trying to 497 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 4: hide McCarthy behind this injury that they're claiming he has. 498 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 4: So I mean there's a lot of this chatter, and 499 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 4: then it's always the question of do you address it 500 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 4: or is addressing it just giving more oxygen to something 501 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 4: that he isn't worth giving attention to in the first place. 502 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 4: So I think it's always that debate about these things. 503 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 4: And yes, I think the notion that there is a 504 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 4: soft benching is not true, and I think the fact 505 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 4: that it keeps coming up is. Yeah, I think it's 506 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 4: fair to say that the head coach is not enjoying 507 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 4: that exchange continuing to. 508 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: Happen, and I think that may speak to the larger 509 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: issue that he's feeling it a little bit. You know, 510 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: his comments earlier in the week to PA and I 511 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: think to you guys as a group, and I don't 512 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 2: know if you were still there by that point where 513 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 2: he's he's again talking about some of the penalties that 514 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: negated drives. There was a reception that you aj May 515 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 2: was gonna be first and goal at the seven. It 516 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: was the first drive and that got nullified by illegal 517 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: man downfield, and ultimately on that drive, the Vikings had 518 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: to settle for three. If you'll recall he brought that up. 519 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: I think he brought up the Darrisaw false start, and 520 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 2: he got pretty specific about how does this happen? You know, 521 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 2: this can't be happening more frontal than we have heard 522 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 2: him before. So I think, you know, again, I'm not 523 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: saying he's about to curl up in the fetal position, 524 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 2: but I think maybe all this indicates he's feeling it 525 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 2: a little bit more a little bit cranky, and maybe 526 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 2: he understands what's at stake this week that if they 527 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: come back two and three, it's going to be an 528 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: uphill climb. 529 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 530 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 4: I mean if you're two and three and you look 531 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 4: at its Eagles at Chargers, at Lions, Ravens after the bye, 532 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 4: and then there's a Packers in there a couple of 533 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 4: weeks after all of that, so it is going to 534 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 4: be really tough. And then it's that question of when 535 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 4: do you put JJ McCarthy back in he's healthy enough 536 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 4: to go, do you do it against the Eagles? I 537 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 4: mean all of the and I know people are going 538 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 4: to hear that and say, well, you just said it's 539 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 4: an injury and it's not a soft benching. That's true, 540 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 4: But I think there's also a thing of how do 541 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 4: you set him up for success? Because I do think 542 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 4: exactly the point of this season still needs to be 543 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 4: figuring out what you have in JJ McCarthy, Because I 544 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 4: don't care if they go ten and seven, seven and ten, 545 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 4: eleven and six, six and eleven with Carson Wentz. If 546 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 4: you're still doing this year to year quarterback thing, right, 547 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 4: you're not in any better spot than you want to 548 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 4: than you were last year. And that's not where they 549 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 4: want to be long term. It's not why they picked 550 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy. So I think the point of where you 551 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 4: put him back in and give him the best chance 552 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 4: to have a long runway of success here. That is 553 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 4: a question. But I don't think that this injury is 554 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 4: in I think the injury is true. I think the 555 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 4: injury is you're trying to figure out how do you 556 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 4: put him back on the field to make sure his mechanics, 557 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 4: his footwork, all of those things are sturdy enough that 558 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 4: he's able to do the job consistently, especially when he's 559 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 4: had a hard time just being protected. I mean, they'll 560 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 4: have Christian Darisaw if he's, you know, barring another injury, 561 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 4: they'll have Christen Darasaw when McCarthy gets back, which he 562 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 4: hasn't had yet. But with all these offensive line changes, 563 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 4: you want a quarterback who's able to stan on his 564 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 4: own two feet, deliver, protect himself. All of those kinds 565 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 4: of things go into it as well. So wherever you're 566 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 4: doing that, if you're doing it coming out two and 567 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 4: three out of the buy, it just makes it a 568 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 4: lot harder. I think it's hard to build much momentum 569 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 4: if you've lost three of four into that stretch and 570 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 4: you've gone on this grueling trip internationally and you're trying 571 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 4: to just kind of keep everybody's morale up. I mean, 572 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 4: a win this weekend I think is awfully important for them. 573 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 4: And I also think, I mean, the NFL is not 574 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 4: going to say this, but I have to imagine the 575 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 4: NFL would not mind them winning because when they get 576 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 4: asked by other teams in the future, hey, what did 577 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 4: you guys think of doing this for the first time. Yeah, 578 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 4: they'll probably want the Vikings to get a little better 579 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 4: endorsement of it than they might if it was well, 580 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 4: we went on too and we lost our center, we 581 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 4: lost our right tackle, and we had to do all 582 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 4: these different things and it was kind of chaotic, and 583 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 4: we didn't win a game in the process. So I 584 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 4: think for all of those reasons, this is a pretty 585 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 4: big one for the Vikings. 586 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 2: On Sunday, Ben gesling adjoins us every Friday. He's with 587 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 2: us now, brought to you by Standard Heating and Air Conditioning. 588 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 2: What I think is conceivable is that the Vikings and 589 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 2: Koc might be relieved that he is injured to a 590 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 2: point where he's not able to practice, not able to 591 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: get into groove. As long as this offensive line is 592 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: as much in flux as it is. I don't think 593 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: that's crazy. I think that's very, very possible. Even if, 594 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: as you said, sooner or later, if you believe in 595 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 2: him as much as you say you have, you got 596 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 2: to throw him out there against whoever, right including the 597 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles after the buye because you've decided, no, we 598 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: know what we're talking about regarding the position, but as 599 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 2: the line gets more and more vulnerable, to the point 600 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 2: where basically you've got what three backups playing, including a 601 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 2: guy at center who's never played the position, then I 602 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 2: wouldn't be at all shocked that they said, well, he 603 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 2: actually it's probably better that he sits through this, and 604 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 2: we kind of, for want of a better cliche, throw 605 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 2: Carson Wentz our backup quarterback to the Wolves. 606 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 3: If we have to throw anybody to the Wolves. 607 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right. And if you look at 608 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,919 Speaker 4: the way this could go after the buy I would 609 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 4: expect they'll probably have Donovan Jackson back at left guard. 610 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 4: They may have Brian O'Neill back at right tackle. We'll 611 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 4: see how that goes with the mcl Will Fries has 612 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 4: been healthy, Christian Darisaw will continue to get healthier. Ryan 613 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 4: Kelly is the question with all the concussions and that's 614 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 4: a larger question that I think. I wouldn't expect that 615 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 4: they're going to be in a rush for that, And 616 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 4: it will also be a discussion of what is he 617 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 4: comfortable with, what is it family comfortable with. I think 618 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 4: all of those things get a lot bigger when you're 619 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 4: talking about these number of concussions. But at the very 620 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 4: least they will be in a better position coming out 621 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 4: of the buy health wise on the offensive line then 622 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 4: they probably have been in a while. And the center 623 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 4: question is a big one, especially with McCarthy is still 624 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 4: only play two games in the NFL. But having Darisaw 625 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 4: back with Donovan Jackson, I think does make things quite 626 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 4: a bit easier. So yeah, I think there is I 627 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 4: think it's a valid thought that if he comes back 628 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 4: after the buye and this offensive line is healthier and 629 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 4: sturdier than it is right now, that's probably a better 630 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 4: situation for him because we have seen it those first 631 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 4: couple of games where he's trying to read things through 632 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 4: and then it's pressure coming and you're trying to figure 633 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 4: out how much do I need to speed up my clock? 634 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 4: Can I stand in here? When you have a left 635 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 4: tackle of Christian Daroso's caliber on your blind side again, 636 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 4: I think that makes everything a little easier to say, 637 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 4: I can hang in here, the pockets clean, I can 638 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 4: read this out and make my throw. So all of 639 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 4: that is helpful for his development, and I think it's 640 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 4: completely valid to say that that would be a preferable 641 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 4: situation to what he walk into. 642 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 3: Right now, let's talk a little bit about the defense. 643 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 2: There was fairly pointed commentary from the b flow, the 644 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, saying, look, we can talk about takeaways and 645 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 2: fancy stuff and all that. We got to go back 646 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 2: to just being more fundamentally sound. We got to do 647 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 2: the basic stuff, the meat and potato stuff better. And 648 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 2: I'm assuming, among other things, he's referring to stopping the run, 649 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 2: which the Vikings did quite nicely in the Cincinnati game. 650 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 2: But in between Atlanta they got shredded against a backup 651 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 2: running back. They got shredded I think in the second 652 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 2: half of ninety four yards rushing by one runner alone. 653 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 2: So is there is it too much to ask that 654 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 2: this defense be more fundamentally sound as long as Cashman 655 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 2: and gink are still out, I know they matter, But 656 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 2: what do you think is going on with the defense 657 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 2: right now. 658 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 4: I think they need to be better tackling and better 659 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 4: against the run. I think that is something we've seen 660 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 4: come up over the last couple of weeks, those Javon Hargrave, 661 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 4: Jonathan Allen, that new look defensive interior has gotten gashed 662 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 4: on some things in a run game, and we saw 663 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 4: it last week. There were a number of moments where 664 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 4: Kenneth Gamwell got a few extra yards. Some of that 665 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 4: was after contact, some of that was just sucond effort stuff, 666 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 4: but he did have enough success to help the Steelers 667 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 4: sustained drives and give them chances to score points, kept 668 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 4: the Vikings ultimately just a little too far out of reach, 669 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 4: or kept them out of reach for the Vikings, I 670 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 4: should say so. I think they have to be better 671 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 4: at whether it's gap integrity, whether it's tackling, whether it's 672 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 4: winning one on one matchups, all of that stuff. When 673 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 4: Brian Flores talks about fundamentals, and I think that's what 674 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 4: we're talking about, is do you know, play your assignment, 675 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 4: play your technique, close things off and wrap up when 676 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 4: you have opportunities to do it. We have seen enough 677 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 4: times where that hasn't happened that you're not putting people 678 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 4: in the stressful situations that they want so that they 679 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 4: can come after those quarters. And I think you're going 680 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 4: to see it again on Sunday. The Browns are going 681 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 4: to lean on Quinchin Judgskins and try to probably string 682 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 4: out the game and make it so that the Vikings 683 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 4: don't have the ball as much and just make it 684 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 4: a little easier for Dylan Gabriel. I think that will 685 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 4: be very much part of their plan to support him, 686 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 4: and the Vikings have to be able to stop it. 687 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 4: And I think a lot of that is just fundamental 688 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 4: football in terms of closing off gaps and winning blocks, 689 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 4: defeating blocks, and making tackles. It's nothing fancy, but if 690 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 4: they don't have that intact, it's harder to do the 691 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 4: things they want to do in passing situation. 692 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 2: Now, let's finish up with a depth question, because I 693 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 2: think it's one of the interesting debate points. I've heard 694 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 2: some people say, look what's going on in the Vikings 695 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 2: offensive line. 696 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 3: There's no team. 697 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 2: There are very few teams that can withstand losing that 698 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 2: many that the idea that there are a number of 699 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 2: teams that have great depth evovently on their starters along 700 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 2: in the line of scrimmage, but especially the offensive line, 701 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 2: is foolhardy. In fact, Sean Salisbury is of the opinion that, 702 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 2: in general, he thinks there are some significant depth issues, 703 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 2: especially at that position all over the league. The other 704 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 2: side of it is no, no, Actually, there are some 705 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 2: teams that do a better job of having backup strength 706 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,800 Speaker 2: so that even if it's not as good as their starters, 707 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 2: they're not going to fall off the end of the 708 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 2: earth in terms of protection. So what's fair regarding what 709 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 2: looks to be like not much professional depth for the 710 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,240 Speaker 2: vikings along the offensive line. 711 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 4: I think I would say this, there is a general 712 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 4: shortage of NFL ready lineman because of the way college 713 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 4: football gets played. And I'm sure Sean got into some 714 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 4: of this where yep, the spread offenses and it's the 715 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 4: I'm going to make one read and get the ball 716 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 4: out of my hand in less than two seconds. You're 717 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 4: not asking lineman to protect for long enough that a 718 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 4: quarterback would need to make a full field read or 719 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 4: downfield concepts that are a seven step drop. It's just 720 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 4: not played that way in college football very much. The 721 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 4: linemen aren't being trained that way, which means when you're 722 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 4: developing them, you have a whole new set of things 723 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,919 Speaker 4: to teach them. And then when you're scouting them, there 724 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 4: aren't as many that you can map what they did 725 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 4: in college directly into the NFL. So it is harder, 726 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 4: I think, in general, to find those players. And you've 727 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 4: heard that lament from coaches and scouts and front office 728 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 4: people around the league for a long time. But it 729 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 4: makes it important to have the depth because you just 730 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 4: if you have it, you're going to be one of 731 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 4: the few teams that does, I think, and you've seen 732 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 4: the Eagles do this really well. I think the Lions 733 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 4: in general have done this pretty well over the years, 734 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 4: where they've continued to find guys and develop them, and 735 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 4: they've they've hit on some picks that make it so 736 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 4: that you can stay in that spot for eight or 737 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 4: nine years and you don't have to think about it 738 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 4: as much. But that job of drafting and developing linement 739 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 4: is harder than it used to be. But I think 740 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 4: it's all the more reason to say if we can 741 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 4: kind of, you know, put a stake in the ground 742 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 4: here at this spot and be one of the teams 743 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 4: with an advantage one to not just one to five, 744 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 4: maybe one to eight on the offensive line. We're going 745 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 4: to be at a big advantage from a lot of 746 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 4: the teams that we see because it's just it is 747 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 4: a hard thing to have, and we see how important 748 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 4: it is over and over and over, and you know, 749 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 4: I think that's it's one thing I'm interested in this draft. 750 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 4: As they come up to it, they're like, they're going 751 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 4: to have ten picks, and they're going to have more 752 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 4: top one hundred picks than that had in the last 753 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 4: couple of years, And how many of those go toward 754 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 4: an offensive lineman that may be a little bit of 755 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 4: a project, but they say, he's got some traits that 756 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 4: we like, we can coach him up, we can develop this, 757 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 4: And it's important to have depth beyond just those first five, 758 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 4: especially as you're going to have questions with Ryan Kelly 759 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 4: in the future. Brian O'Neil turns thirty, he's going to 760 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 4: have a big number on his contract. I mean, that's 761 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 4: a spot that needs continued reinforcement and investment. And I 762 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 4: think the issues you see and the fact that there 763 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,959 Speaker 4: are teams like the Eagles that have been successful over 764 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 4: and over and over in part because of their offensive 765 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,240 Speaker 4: lines only underscores the need to invest in that spot. 766 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 2: One other offensive question, actually, as it comes into my head, 767 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 2: can we or should we throw short more often the 768 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 2: way it seems Aaron Rodgers did for Pittsburgh a week ago, 769 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 2: or the offense is just so different that that doesn't 770 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 2: necessarily compute well. 771 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 4: I think there are opportunities to do it, and you 772 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 4: did see Carson Wentz have some opportunities last week where 773 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 4: he was throwing quicker game stuff, and certainly that happened 774 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 4: in the Bengals game. I think you'll see some of 775 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,959 Speaker 4: that on Sunday, especially as they're trying to figure out 776 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 4: how to keep Miles Garrett from doing what he does 777 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 4: in wrecking the game. Possibly, but there are I think 778 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 4: it is different in the sense that this is an 779 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 4: offense that likes to push the ball downfield. They like 780 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 4: to look for chunks, and there are a lot of 781 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 4: times those plays need a little longer to develop, which 782 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 4: means you need a little more protection. But I think 783 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 4: having some of the quick game stuff, having concepts that 784 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,879 Speaker 4: get the ball out of Carson Wentz's hand quickly are 785 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 4: going to be important for the Vikings on Sunday because 786 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 4: this is not an easy front to deal with. Miles 787 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 4: Garrett is as good as they come. I think he's 788 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,320 Speaker 4: had at least fourteen sacks each of the last four years. 789 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,319 Speaker 4: And then Mason Grant, the first round pick, is in there, 790 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 4: and they've got a number of guys ma Leie Collins 791 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 4: that are going to be difficult for them to deal with. 792 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 4: I think some of the quick game stuff, if you 793 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 4: can do it, it takes timing, it takes coordination with receivers, 794 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,919 Speaker 4: but Jordan Addison should help there as well. I think 795 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 4: having some of those options will probably see Savior Scott 796 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 4: involved in some of those things too. I think it's 797 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 4: important for them to hit on a little more of 798 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,399 Speaker 4: it than they have, and I'm curious with screens if 799 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 4: that becomes part of it, is Scott gets a little 800 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 4: more involved, kind of playing the Aaron Jones role. I 801 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 4: think there are some things they can hit there, and 802 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 4: it will be interesting to see if they can do 803 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 4: more of it than they have. At least in the 804 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 4: last couple of weeks. They've had some of those concepts, 805 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 4: but they need to hit them more than they have. 806 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 3: Excellent work. 807 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the United States of America and we 808 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 2: will chat next week. 809 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,319 Speaker 4: All right, sounds good. 810 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 2: Thanks Sam, Ben gestling by Standard Heating and air Conditioning 811 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 2: back from across the pond. He is taking this game off, 812 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,720 Speaker 2: but I'm sure he'll be watching or listening. 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