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Speaker 1: They tip off a little bit after twelve o'clock. There

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Speaker 1: is a lot to discuss, starting with our guy Rick

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Speaker 1: be my lead off here this morning.

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Speaker 4: It's always my favorite day of the year.

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Speaker 5: I look forward to this I was talking with Richard

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Speaker 5: Skinner's who's following me up here this morning.

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Speaker 3: I might put you guys together.

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Speaker 4: I would love that we do a show.

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Speaker 5: As you know, we were talking about it yesterday. It's

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Speaker 5: the best time. You get to watch hoops, you get

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Speaker 5: to hang out with great people who usually don't hang

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Speaker 4: So it's a good time and me and you and

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Speaker 4: you're invited.

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Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate you doing this.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot to get to, yes, there is.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna start with last night.

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Speaker 4: What a game.

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Speaker 3: That was a game. It was a great game. It

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Speaker 3: was a fun game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Miami felt like they were in control the

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Speaker 1: entire way. An extraordinarily efficient offensive performance, a great performance

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Speaker 1: by Ian Elmer and the RedHawks advance, great atmosphere. You

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Speaker 1: had the swim team with their speedos. That was awesome

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Speaker 1: last night.

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Speaker 4: It was awesome.

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Speaker 5: And the fun part about it was you mentioned they

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Speaker 5: were in control the whole time, but they it's not

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Speaker 5: like they weren't challenged. Yeah, I mean SMU kept creeping

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Speaker 5: back up, they tied it up, and then Miami would

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Speaker 4: That was really fun.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned Ian Elmer I don't know if you saw this.

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Speaker 5: John Rothstein last night said that Ian Olmer was this

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Speaker 5: year's Doug eatert the former Saint Pierce. Like now, there

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Speaker 5: are a lot of guys on Miami's team that I

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Speaker 5: Elmer would be the guy.

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Speaker 3: No, curious, I didn't see that.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure if John Rothstein knows who the players

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Speaker 1: Is what I'm getting at great atmosphere. What stood out

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Speaker 1: to me more than anything else, high possession game. They

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Speaker 1: obviously make the sixteen threes, they get more than a

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Speaker 5: So do you buy into the bouncy balls theory like

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Speaker 5: the overinflated balls at the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 4: Have you seen this online?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Do you think that played any role in the rebounding

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Speaker 5: situation for Miami? They were shooting a lot of threes,

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Speaker 5: you get long rebounds were like people were saying, they

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Speaker 4: Did you think that at all? Will So? Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: with you that seems.

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Speaker 5: Like an insane thing, But I did think that, like,

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Speaker 5: they did an incredible job of tipping out those long

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Speaker 1: Twenty assists, four turnovers, high possession game, the sixteen threes.

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Speaker 1: Do you give them a chance against Tennessee?

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 5: Like it's a bad matchup for them because Tennessee is

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Speaker 5: this year. They have definitely had their laws throughout the season.

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Speaker 5: They're not that consistent of a team. If you look

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Speaker 5: at the metrics, they don't love them and their chances

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Speaker 4: They're going to be the underdog. But do they have

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if you can knock down fourteen to fifteen

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Speaker 1: DJ Edwards not playing and the circumstances around that weird.

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Speaker 1: How much of that is a factor.

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Speaker 5: A huge factor obviously, if one of the opposing team's

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Speaker 5: best players is out. But I mean everyone it seems like,

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Speaker 5: of year. Miami's missing as much as anyone in the

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Speaker 5: don't think Miami needs to feel bad for anybody else

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Speaker 5: being without talented player.

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Speaker 3: I asked you.

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Speaker 1: This back in mid January when this was starting to snowball,

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Speaker 1: having covered Travis at Xavier, and you know, every Xavier

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Speaker 1: but happy to see that he has taken this opportunity

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Speaker 5: Well, I never could have imagined an undefeated regular season.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's just something you don't predict for anybody.

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Speaker 5: But when he went to Miami, I think we talked

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Speaker 5: and I said wonderful fit. Like people make the mistake

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Speaker 5: of thinking Travis Steel bottomed out when he was at Xavier.

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Speaker 3: He didn't.

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Speaker 5: He had Xavier competitive every year he was there. They

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Speaker 5: They need to be butler at the end of the year.

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Speaker 5: One time, the paular butler at the end of the year,

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Speaker 4: But it never happened for him. He just kept missing.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he ever quite got things in place

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Speaker 5: And he had certain guys already in place on his

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Speaker 5: And so he just never did it quite his way

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Speaker 5: I think, you say, I have nothing to lose now

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Speaker 5: I've already been fired.

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Speaker 4: This is mid major basketball.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna do it exactly how I think is the

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Speaker 5: right way to do it, and it's worked out really

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Speaker 1: I don't know what would his aspiration are in regards

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Speaker 1: but Butler is where he went. I mean, if you

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Speaker 5: I think right now Butler is by far the most

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Speaker 5: interesting opportunity that he would have.

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Speaker 4: It would make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 5: The thing is, I have continuously heard that Ronald Noreed

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Speaker 5: would lean towards him being back in Oxford if it's

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Speaker 5: That being said, Butler does seem like it would make

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Speaker 3: Has he picked a bad year to be really really,

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Speaker 5: I think he has because there just aren't as many

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Speaker 5: much movement in general. But I also we talked about

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Speaker 5: think Miami is a very good spot for him to be.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he's too worried about having to climb

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to talk about the field itself,

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Speaker 1: but let's spend a few minutes on the team. You

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Speaker 1: Richard Patino to be able to keep some of those guys?

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Speaker 1: How's this gonna unfold?

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Speaker 5: I guess it depends on what you consider an exodus.

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Speaker 5: At this point, I would say I only really expect

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Speaker 5: him to prioritize keeping two guys. That would be Gabriel Pisado,

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Speaker 5: We've heard wonderful things about how he looked in those

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Speaker 5: do think they'll try to prioritize keeping him. And then

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Speaker 5: the other guy is Yovann, the six foot ten face

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Speaker 5: he was clearly the most impressive out of the group.

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Speaker 5: I think you prioritize keeping him. I think they're very

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Speaker 5: prioritize anybody else. The only other one that I could

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Speaker 5: see is pop Enji, the backup center, who has some

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Speaker 1: Give me a sort of thirty thousand foot assessment. You

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Speaker 1: and I were sitting here a year ago talking about

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Speaker 1: Xavier winning the night before, but all the Sean Miller

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Speaker 1: rumors were starting and starting very rapidly. So it's been

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Speaker 1: a year. Give me a thirty thousand foot assessment of

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Speaker 1: year one under Richard Patino.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think you came into an impossible situation not

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Speaker 5: not just because it was a new head coach in

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Speaker 5: the first year. But last year's transfer portal was entirely

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Speaker 4: I think it's realistic.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean if you're going to I mean reports

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Speaker 1: The tournament begins in earnest today. First of all, do

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Speaker 5: After, I would agree, since we went to sixty eight,

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Speaker 5: I can tell you none of us.

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Speaker 4: Really cared that much about it. And I agree with you.

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Speaker 5: This year, there was nothing don't really be upset about

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Speaker 4: If you have a good year at a lower level,

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Speaker 5: So the talent pool is being pushed towards the top.

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Speaker 1: So that's where I was gonna go next. So filling

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Speaker 1: last few years I have found myself picking a very

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Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more with your assessment there.

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Speaker 5: And talking to Skinny yesterday, I think he ended up

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Speaker 5: very chalky. I go, dude, if you put a five

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Speaker 3: I'm with you.

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Speaker 5: I mean this year, I have two one seeds and

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with Saint John's. So they're seated fifth,

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Speaker 1: they win the Big East tournament. It's Rick Patino. They're

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Speaker 3: They lost to.

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Speaker 1: They did just get boat raised by Connecticut a few

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I have a huge objection to

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Speaker 5: as Yukon. When you only have three Big East teams

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Speaker 4: If you're moving.

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Speaker 5: You if you're willing to move, you've gone down to

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Speaker 4: A seed line.

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Speaker 5: Why not keep them out of the region with Yukon.

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Speaker 5: That seems like a sort of Big East lack of

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Speaker 1: I have been in attendance for games where Mick Cronin

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Speaker 1: it's combustible, and so I'm hoping for that in round two,

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Speaker 5: I am too, because I think Dan Hurley will take

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Speaker 5: Mick Cronin and Darren Savino out behind the arena and

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Speaker 5: spank them. Bear asked before God and all the fans

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Speaker 3: So my UCLA to the Elite eight. You're laughing at that.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's a very good pick. But I

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Speaker 3: Well, it's but it's not a bias thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not because so again it comes back to like

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Speaker 5: Have you done the research on Mick Kronin Against top

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Speaker 5: coaches in the sports, you just have to get pasted, yes,

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Speaker 5: Dan Hurley and Tom Izzo to do what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Beating Tom is on the tournament before in the weird

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Speaker 1: COVID year, he did time playing game yep, right, he

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Speaker 4: That is true.

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Speaker 1: Mick versus Dan Hurley, Like the postgame press conferences are

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I've watched Mick and Dan coach against

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Speaker 4: You should get combat pay for that.

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Speaker 3: You should. Yeah, all right, So that's a bad pick,

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Speaker 4: Well, it's it's your pick, it's not mine.

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Speaker 1: Stay in the Big East. Villanova plays Utah State. Utah

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Speaker 4: Upset pick by everybody.

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Speaker 3: It seems like Utah State. Yes, yeah, Jared Calhoun is likely.

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Speaker 5: Actually, Utah State by line is like the slight favorite, right,

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Speaker 5: I think Villanova does win that one, just because everyone

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Speaker 5: I don't think this Villanova team is that good. But

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Speaker 1: Do you give Right Stay the chance out of the

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Speaker 3: I do not do that bias. No.

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Speaker 5: I actually really like this Right State team. I think

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Speaker 4: They're the type of team that's gonna pull an upside.

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Speaker 1: The Right State NKU game in the Horizon League tournament,

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Speaker 5: It was really impressive and there were multi What was

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Speaker 5: In each of those times, three different occasions, the Right

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Speaker 5: Three different times. That happened to kill NKU momentum. That's

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Speaker 4: I was really impressed with this, right stay.

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Speaker 3: And now the tournament's moving to Noblesville, Indiana. Huge, you're

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Speaker 4: Have you seen that facility?

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Speaker 5: No compared to the dump that we were playing in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this place is.

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Speaker 5: I mean literally, you were like one football field away

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is like an actual basketball arena. It seats

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Speaker 1: I think I said this to you when you joined

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Speaker 1: me last week that the NKU season felt weird. It

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Speaker 1: felt like every time they kind of felt like they

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Speaker 1: were about to get something going, they'd lose and then

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Speaker 1: they couldn't dig themselves out of a hole for a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And so the Right State game to me,

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Speaker 1: felt like a little bit of a microcosm of their

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Speaker 1: season as all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's fair, And part of what I

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Speaker 5: think happened for them this year was they've had a

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Speaker 5: lot of continuity throughout the first several years of this

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Speaker 5: nil transfer portal era. Right, this was the first year

457
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Speaker 5: where they had to replace most of the roster, most

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Speaker 5: of their core, and so especially with their funky style

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Speaker 5: of defense, that matchup zone they like to play, I

460
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Speaker 5: think it took longer for them to settle in and

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Speaker 5: figure out what's working for them with an entirely new group,

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Speaker 5: and they actually went away from the matchup zone a

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Speaker 5: lot this year. They played more man demand than they

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Speaker 5: have at any point during Darren Horne's tenure, and I

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Speaker 5: think part of it was because they had so many

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Speaker 5: new guys, was just hard to build up that chemistry.

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Speaker 5: And then, like you said, right when it felt like

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Speaker 5: they were maybe building some momentum, LJ. Wells gets hurt,

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Speaker 5: Donna and Rocket Dona Harri gets hurt, cal Robinson gets hurt,

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Speaker 5: and then they have that skid where they lose five

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Speaker 5: games in a row and you're thinking, oh, no, it's

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Speaker 5: just not the year. And then they win four of

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Speaker 5: their last six in the year and it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: they've got momentum. They win two games in the tournament again,

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Speaker 5: they get back to the Horizon League semi finals, which

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Speaker 5: is to me, it's like it's kind of like getting

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Speaker 5: to the sweet sixteen in the Ncuby Tournament. You feel

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Speaker 5: like you gotta get there if you're a good program,

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Speaker 5: you're a competitive program that has a chance, and then

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Speaker 5: it's a little bit of a crapshoot, like you just

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Speaker 5: hope things fall your way once you get to the semis.

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Speaker 4: It didn't this year, but they got back there.

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Speaker 5: It's going to be very interesting to see how much

484
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Speaker 5: of this year was instructive for them going forward with

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Speaker 5: the transfer portal, meaning like, you know, they took an

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Speaker 5: naia guys some D two guys. Did they feel like

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Speaker 5: that worked for them or did they feel like if

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Speaker 5: they're going to go out and spend an nil in

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Speaker 5: the transfer portal, it needs to be D one guys,

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Speaker 5: even if it's a D one guy like the kid

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Speaker 5: from Ball State TJ. Birch, who went to Wright State

492
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Speaker 5: hadn't put up any numbers at Ball State, but had

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Speaker 5: a really good year in the Horizon League despite that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm curious to see where that goes.

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Speaker 1: I know you have to be careful with what you say,

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Speaker 1: but is there a movement to scrap that weird tournament format?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so because it worked this year.

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Speaker 5: Right State ended up winning it as the favorite, so

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Speaker 5: I don't think they're going to change it.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I think I saw the schedule for next

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Speaker 4: year in.

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Speaker 5: Noblesville is going to have a play in game on

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Speaker 5: Sunday night again, which, wow, K, you won this.

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Speaker 3: Year, won that game. I'm okay with it right now?

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Speaker 3: Very good? Shall we bring Skinny up? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Bring Skinny on?

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Speaker 2: Is he here?

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Speaker 3: He's he's sitting right there? Oh, Skinny right in front

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Speaker 3: of USAH.

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Speaker 4: Bring him with right.

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Speaker 1: We're here at the Holy Grail, downtown Cincinnati, directly across

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Speaker 1: the street from Great America Ballpark, a week from opening day.

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Speaker 3: We're here till noon. Games tip off at twelve fifteen.

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Speaker 1: can't beat that, buddy, You can't beat the Grail. Can't

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Speaker 1: beat Rick Rooring. He's here with me at the Grail.

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Speaker 1: We are here till noon. Dan Horde a little bit

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Speaker 1: later on, possibly Leonard Stokes a little bit later on,

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Speaker 1: Shannon Miner is here.

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Speaker 3: We're here. We need you here.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station iPhone.

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Speaker 6: Hold ESPN fifteen thirty, and iHeartRadio Station twenty.

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Speaker 1: Six minutes after ten o'clock on the morning Round one

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Speaker 1: of the NCAA Tournament, we're broadcasting from the Holy Grail.

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Speaker 1: Rick Browing is with me and Richard Skinner from Local

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Speaker 1: Twelves here, which means I get my own version of

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Speaker 1: the Skinny podcast.

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Speaker 3: There you go. Look, everybody wants that, no I do.

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Speaker 1: So I thought I'd throw a you ten people and

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Speaker 1: then see if you could rank their quality.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's one of my favorite things.

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Speaker 1: Clayton Fedulum, Joe Orcelonca, Joe Orsilac, Joe Orselac Oilcamboyd Okay

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Speaker 1: boyd leads the pack so full, Barry.

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Speaker 3: Young fellow Paul Potita won right now, Parrett. Paul Potita

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Speaker 3: just had his last weathercast yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize until I read a piece this weekend

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Speaker 1: that that guy works twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: Ago I read the same piece. I knew he did

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Speaker 3: a lot.

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Speaker 7: I didn't realize he like he does weather for a

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Speaker 7: bunch of stations. See he owns a weekly newspaper. It

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Speaker 7: was insane, my god.

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Speaker 5: And the best part about him is it in an

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Speaker 5: era where everybody in TV news is complaining about having

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Speaker 5: to work their shifts or whatever their job requires, Paul

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Speaker 5: put just shows up for every shifts fills in for everyone.

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Speaker 5: Never a question I asked, just smiling and happy to

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Speaker 5: be there.

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Speaker 3: Well, best of.

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Speaker 1: Luck to him and his television meteorolge meteorologic L weather

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Speaker 1: Man retirement. Yep, I knew you would be available because

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Speaker 1: the Bengals off season's over, so it was.

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Speaker 7: Over officially, I believe on Marks the eighth. Yeah, the

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Speaker 7: first ad free agency was they kind of trickled out

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Speaker 7: a couple of more days and just said, yeah.

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Speaker 3: We're good.

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Speaker 1: Ten days ago, I'm thinking, man, this is off to

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Speaker 1: a really good start. You do, what are they gonna

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Speaker 1: do at linebacker? We have to cross like Logan Wilson

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Speaker 1: off the.

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Speaker 3: List now I know.

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Speaker 7: I mean all three of them are out there, Logan Wilson,

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Speaker 7: Jermaine Pratt, and King Davis Gaither. Now Logan retires, a

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Speaker 7: King goes to Indy. Are they down in Jermaine Pratt

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Speaker 7: bringing him back?

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Speaker 1: Is he still him to contract with? No, he's free,

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Speaker 1: he's free Preston Wilson. I mean, like, how down the

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Speaker 1: list of were gonna go.

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Speaker 3: If Dick Buttons were still alive. I think they go

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Speaker 3: that fontes perfect bring him back out of retirement.

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Speaker 1: But it's coaching with Paul Paul gone throughout at nov Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's gonna be No, it's a joke, it's

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Speaker 1: I just for the like of me.

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Speaker 7: So I did Sportstock with Lance, I think that Monday night,

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Speaker 7: and I said, I think, yes, what great I said

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Speaker 7: a minus.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what a great.

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Speaker 7: Shock, I said, And Leo Shanal still out there, and

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Speaker 7: I would hope they go after him tomorrow and the

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Speaker 7: Commander's got him. And then you look at Kate Nellis

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Speaker 7: go off the board, and then you start look at

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Speaker 7: the remaining linebackers left and you go they're either too old,

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Speaker 7: never were.

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Speaker 3: Or bus Yeah, I mean that's what's left the list.

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Speaker 7: I specifically asked Albo to the combine, do you want

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Speaker 7: to add you think you need to add a veteran linebacker,

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Speaker 7: and he said, yes, I need a.

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Speaker 3: Guy who's versatile.

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Speaker 7: I need a guy who can play on the line

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Speaker 7: of scrimmage, any guy who can play in coverage. Got

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Speaker 7: none of that. There is such a disconnect and I

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Speaker 7: don't know where it all is. I don't know if

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Speaker 7: it's between the between Troy and Katie and Mike Brown

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Speaker 7: and Duke, between Duke and the coaches, there's a there's

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Speaker 7: a total disconnect for a coach to say that and

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Speaker 7: then the people who are in charge of helping get

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Speaker 7: that player choose not to do that.

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Speaker 3: There's a disconnect. Well, it didn't even feel like with

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Speaker 3: Shanel and Ellis that there was much of an ash

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Speaker 3: And the Chanel contract was only eight point two five

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Speaker 3: a year.

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Speaker 7: I didn't rather spend money on that than Jonathan Allen

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Speaker 7: and gone and gotten a second.

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Speaker 3: Rate interior guy. Yeah, and if you hit the draft

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Speaker 3: with Chris Jenkins and you wouldn't have had to go

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Speaker 3: do this in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Right, So Week one, I'm watching Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna try it again with those dudes.

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Speaker 4: What's Odell Thurman up too?

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. Hit one good year?

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Speaker 4: Didn't he think he was electric for about half a season?

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Speaker 1: Tom Tummelty is gonna be brought in, David Pollock, Steve Tovar.

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Speaker 3: There we go. Let's just keep doing it right down

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Speaker 3: on Francis Keo spikes.

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Speaker 4: Lenard Wilson. We'll move it back to linebacker Simmons.

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Speaker 7: That's I just, for the life of me, I don't

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Speaker 7: understand that and then listen, I think Sonny Styles is

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Speaker 7: a great player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's gonna be a great pro. I

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Speaker 3: just don't know if I'm dropping another lookie into the

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Speaker 3: Nicks and saying, hey, rookie learned from the two guys

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Speaker 3: who couldn't play last year. Seriously, probably the way around.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Barrett, we're gonna attach herself to the guy who's

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Speaker 1: never played before learned something.

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Speaker 7: I just it's it's absolutely stunning to me. I know

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Speaker 7: they think those guys are gonna make progress. I know

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Speaker 7: they believe in them. I get that, but boy, what

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Speaker 7: a risk you're taking and doing that.

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Speaker 1: It's just remarkable to me. And it will eventually talk

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Speaker 1: basketball said, it's remarkable to me. Everybody asked the same

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Speaker 1: question in the euphoria of Brian Cook and boy A Moffin.

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Speaker 1: But what now at linebacker? And there were some threw

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Speaker 1: them on the air. There were so many options where

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Speaker 1: you're like, that guy will fit. He makes sense. Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe he wouldn't be my first preference, but I'll take him.

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Speaker 1: And none of them have come here one legged.

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Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner, I mean, who where are we at? We're doing?

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Speaker 3: You know, and they tried.

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Speaker 7: They thought they could squeeze another year out of Logan

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Speaker 7: Wilson last year, and you could see almost from training

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Speaker 7: camp on that this was not gonna work. And that's

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Speaker 7: where the whole concept of bringing in a veteran. Now,

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Speaker 7: I want the veteran to be able to play. I

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Speaker 7: don't want him just because he's a veteran.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: I think they thought Logan still had another year in

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Speaker 7: him and he just didn't. I'll give him that benefit

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Speaker 7: of the doubt for that. And obviously now Logan's retired.

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Speaker 7: But now you're gonna ask a guy who probably can't

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Speaker 7: play at the level he used to, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 7: learn from that guy because that's also coming into a

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Speaker 7: new system too.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I don't get it. I just don't get it. Do

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Speaker 3: you think Santa Clair is gonna be Kentucky. I don't

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Speaker 3: think they're gonna beat Kentucky. I think they're gonna scare

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Speaker 3: the daylights out of Kentucky. Though it's gonna be a

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Speaker 3: fun game. You could tell me the Kentucky loses that

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Speaker 3: game by fifteen, it goes to the lead eight. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've I've got I've got.

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Speaker 7: The bracket of integrity the one that I put in

668
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Speaker 7: the Tony Pike three sixty yeah pool that you can't

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Speaker 7: win a prize in, just because Austin Ellmore asked me,

670
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Speaker 7: and I nicely did it, huh So that I don't

671
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Speaker 7: have them going in that one, but some of the

672
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Speaker 7: other ones I've done. I'm like, see him going to

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Speaker 7: the Elite eight. I don't see them going past that.

674
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Speaker 7: But to your point, I can also see them laying

675
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Speaker 7: egg tonight going yep. That's kind of the team I've

676
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Speaker 7: seen all year.

677
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Speaker 3: What do you think it? How does it unfold? If

678
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Speaker 3: they do lose to Santa Clair Very Mark Pope.

679
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Speaker 7: I will go to the to the on three message

680
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 7: board and I will read and you can just watch

681
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Speaker 7: the blood drip down the screen because I know the

682
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Speaker 7: pitchforks will be out.

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Speaker 4: I mean, think about this.

684
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Speaker 5: We could be looking at based on like the popular

685
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 5: upset picks a Louisville and Kentucky early exit. If it

686
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Speaker 5: plays out the way a lot of experts think, right,

687
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 5: could you imagine what that would look like from a

688
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 5: like might just need to leave the state for a

689
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Speaker 5: little while. We might come up to living live in

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Speaker 5: Ohio with you moo.

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Speaker 3: Correct, We'll take you on there on the west side. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Fine, But with that point, I mean, let's just say

693
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Speaker 7: it goes to the second weekend.

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Speaker 3: I know that's not the standard of Kentucky.

695
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Speaker 7: I don't even know what the standard is anymore for

696
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Speaker 7: some of these rights, I know, but if he goes

697
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 7: to sweet sixteen in back to back years, that's a

698
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Speaker 7: nice level of because it is My opinion is maybe

699
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Speaker 7: the pitchforks go away.

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Speaker 3: They probably don't well.

701
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Speaker 1: And it's it's weird that the coach doesn't like do

702
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Speaker 1: any availability after the bracket comes out.

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Speaker 3: That's not a not a thing that we usually have.

704
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: That's a good that's a good point, right, Yeah, that's good.

705
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: Why won't he talk? Maybe he's just afraid to be

706
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Speaker 3: on the air?

707
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Speaker 4: Is it isn't his whole thing?

708
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Speaker 5: The like tradition and I respect the way of doing

709
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 5: things at Kentucky in the way they've always been done.

710
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 5: And it was like what he was about for him

711
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Speaker 5: to not take part in this tradition that happens across

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Speaker 5: the country at every universe.

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Speaker 4: He was very strange to me.

714
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Speaker 3: You don't have to do every press conference like you don't.

715
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Speaker 3: You don't have to make.

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Speaker 1: Yourself of a steal and r John Calipari would never say,

717
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Speaker 1: but like yeah, uh but but you know, just answer

718
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Speaker 1: some questions about the season, the loss of Florida, It's

719
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Speaker 1: Santa Clara game.

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Speaker 3: If you asked to have him on your show, yeah,

721
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Speaker 3: they get weird about it with us.

722
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Speaker 1: I know you and Mark Stoups didn't have much of

723
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Speaker 1: a relationship, but you know what, we got Calipari multiple times. Yeah,

724
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Speaker 1: and he would have to kind of go by his schedule,

725
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Speaker 1: but multiple times with Mark Pope. The most recent answer

726
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Speaker 1: we got was we'll make it happen, and it didn't.

727
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Speaker 1: And maybe that's on us for not following up. But

728
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Speaker 1: I mean it's I guess because you're not an affiliate.

729
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Speaker 1: Oh wait, we are an affiliate. Yeah, we carry the

730
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Speaker 1: damn games and the coaches show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, uh no.

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Speaker 1: Mark Stoobs famously always said no and uh but we

733
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Speaker 1: are going to get the new.

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Speaker 3: Guy on good Yeah. I like the new guy.

735
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're excited about him, and we are going to

736
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Speaker 1: get him. We've been told we will get him in

737
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Speaker 1: August time. Yeah, all right, hang tight, and we'll talk

738
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Speaker 1: about the field itself and then I'll throw any more

739
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Speaker 1: names like Barry Young fellow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike Pagel, Mike Pagel, Mike Pallyrulo, Mike Pagel was

741
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Speaker 3: in the same quarterback room as Arc Schleister believed or.

742
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Speaker 1: Not with the Coles Hope, it's not the same room

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Speaker 1: My own version of the Skinny podcast Richard Skinner Lucking

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Speaker 1: You and Rick Broinger here. It's my favorite podcast. I

754
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Speaker 1: appreciate that I haven't submitted a question in a while.

755
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Speaker 7: I know I'm disappointed with that because there's always my favorites.

756
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Speaker 7: He asked me to rank random people, and he's always

757
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Speaker 7: amazed that.

758
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Speaker 3: I know who they are. I'm always amazed that he

759
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Speaker 3: doesn't know who they are. That's a good point too.

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Speaker 5: I mean I don't know what to say. They're like

761
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Speaker 5: mostually from when I was born.

762
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I you know, I'll throw some basketball names

763
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Speaker 1: in there, and as a hoops savant, I would expect

764
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Speaker 1: you to know who Christian velp Is and Bob Thornton.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Sidney Rinty Lee Wilkins, Christian Welch played with Detla

766
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Speaker 3: Shrimpton College. Yeah, Washington Germans. There we go. Yes, Yeah,

767
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Speaker 3: all right, you got a chalky brack. I like me

768
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Speaker 3: and Rick uh pretty much. I mean I've got some

769
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Speaker 3: first round upsets.

770
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Speaker 7: But I mean when you get to the sweet sixteen,

771
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Speaker 7: I think that the only double digit seed I have

772
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Speaker 7: is Texas A and M, because I do think they

773
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Speaker 7: can beat Houston because Houston goes on these crazy, these

774
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Speaker 7: crazy droughts scoring wise, and they they just don't defend

775
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Speaker 7: like you're used to Houston defriending.

776
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Speaker 3: But I still I like Houston. I can see to

777
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Speaker 3: that point. I can also see Uston going back to

778
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Speaker 3: the final four because they've been there, done that. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Did you have a five seed in the final four?

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Speaker 7: I do, well, Okay, yeah, I do have one five seats.

781
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Speaker 7: I got Saint John's getting in the final four. Yeah,

782
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Speaker 7: and I I just think they have the size to

783
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Speaker 7: match up with Duke. Duke doesn't doesn't shoot it great.

784
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 7: Neither does Saint John's. Mind you say John's doesn't shoot

785
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Speaker 7: it great, I don't think they can win at all,

786
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 7: because there is a pretty good stat I think the

787
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 7: last eight national champions have each shot at least thirty

788
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Speaker 7: six point three percent from three point range. Saint John's

789
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 7: doesn't shoot it great. That doesn't mean they can't get

790
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 7: in the final four. That just means that metric suggests

791
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 7: they can't win it all. But yeah, then I'm Arizona, Michigan,

792
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Speaker 7: Florida as the other ones.

793
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Speaker 3: I mean it just it feels like it's kind of

794
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Speaker 3: like last year, like you can start picking some.

795
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 7: Upsets early, but then you start watching the top teams

796
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 7: kind of you just can't pick against him.

797
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Speaker 1: As you keep going out, I just start looking for

798
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Speaker 1: the teams that have lottery picks.

799
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Speaker 3: Right, No, that's right, you know it's still Jimmy's and Jones.

800
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Speaker 7: That's why Rix made this point the last couple of years,

801
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 7: and he's completely writing in my opinion. Listen you still

802
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Speaker 7: got to pay for coaches, but stop overpaying. Stop stop

803
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 7: overpaying for the buy buyouts. Exactly pay for the players

804
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Speaker 7: because they make a difference. Arizona's got dudes, Michigan's got dudes,

805
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 7: Iowa States got dudes, Florida's got dudes. You know, Duke

806
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 7: has dude, Saint John's has dudes, Michigan State is dudes,

807
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Speaker 7: Illinois's dudes.

808
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean, in all seriousness, why do you

809
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 5: think we continue to see athletic director. I understand agents

810
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 5: are just going to continue to push for them, but

811
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 5: why at a day and age when you have to

812
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Speaker 5: pay your roster and your fan base because they're helping

813
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 5: pay for that, are quicker than ever to want the

814
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Speaker 5: coach pushed out if he doesn't have immediate success. Why

815
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Speaker 5: do they continue to give these huge buyouts that are

816
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Speaker 5: crippling and it eliminates their ability to have a change

817
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Speaker 5: in three or four years?

818
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Speaker 1: A great question, it's uh No, it is do you

819
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Speaker 1: give Ohio State a chance against TCUN I do?

820
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Speaker 3: I've got them advancing to the to the next round

821
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Speaker 3: where they again there you go, then they're the eighth

822
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Speaker 3: se can't I can't make any case that they beat Due. No,

823
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Speaker 3: I like Bruce Thornton.

824
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Speaker 1: I'm happy he gets a chance to play in the

825
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Speaker 1: tournament in an era where nobody sticks around. He sticks

826
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Speaker 1: around long enough to become the schools all time leading scorer.

827
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Speaker 3: And I mean that's that's not gonna happen for him. No, Oh,

828
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Speaker 3: you're gonna have two thousand points scores spread out among

829
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Speaker 3: five schools.

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Speaker 7: Yes, said and done. I do think that he can

831
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Speaker 7: single handedly keep them in a game against Due.

832
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Speaker 3: They're just not good enough to beat Dupe. Will you

833
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Speaker 3: give Miami a chance against Tennessee? Not really?

834
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Speaker 7: No, at Tennessee's too long. Kobe Gillespie's great, Amen's great.

835
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Speaker 7: Tennessee's also a team that I could see. I could

836
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Speaker 7: see a Tennessee Kentucky Sweet sixteen where a Tennessee gets

837
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Speaker 7: the lead eight right. I mean, no, I just I don't.

838
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Speaker 7: I'm I'm so happy for them for last night because

839
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Speaker 7: it does shut up whatever narrative there is out there

840
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Speaker 7: that they didn't belong. And see SMU proved they're a

841
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 7: thirteen lost team and they were even favored by seven

842
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 7: and a half, and then they smacked them.

843
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: No, Miami control Listen, they shot them living daylights out

844
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Speaker 3: of the ball. But okay, that's you're allowed to do that.

845
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Speaker 7: I mean, the name of game has put it through

846
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Speaker 7: the hoop and no, I thought, and they really did

847
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Speaker 7: kind of control that game throughout, and I think that

848
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Speaker 7: was that was really cool to see it.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think they'd.

850
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Speaker 4: Been Do you know what the spread is for that game?

851
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 3: Yeah? I've not seen the Tennessee I haven't.

852
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 5: I haven't either, But that's actually the more interesting question

853
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 5: in my opinion. Do you think Miami can cover the

854
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 5: spread here?

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say eleven and a half.

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Speaker 5: Because Tennessee is I believe the second worst team in

857
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Speaker 5: the tournament against the spread. They're like fourteen and eighteen

858
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Speaker 5: and one this year.

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00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 3: Eleven and a half, Okay is the number.

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Speaker 5: Yep, that's I don't know if Miami can pull the upset.

861
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 5: But do you want to bet on Miami at plus

862
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 5: eleven and a half?

863
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: I do for this reason because they do make threes.

864
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 7: And those can always come back for the back door cover.

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Speaker 1: Late.

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Speaker 3: Tennessee goes through some weird walls as well.

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Speaker 7: I mean, they had Kentucky down double digits twice this year,

868
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Speaker 7: and Kentucky got came back to win both games.

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Speaker 3: So they did, and I've watched them do that in

870
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Speaker 3: other games.

871
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 7: So they are capable, fully capable of going four minutes

872
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 7: without scoring and allowing you to score.

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Speaker 3: So covering to eleven and a half, I think they

874
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: could do that.

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Speaker 1: Miami was better than any team in the country except

876
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: for Arkansas against the number this year, any team in

877
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: the tournament except for Arkansas against the number this year.

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00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tennessee, I believe was was second worst at fourteen

879
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 5: eighteen and one against the spread this year. So might

880
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 5: be an interesting a bet side to take there with Miami.

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00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: But that was the perfect night last night if you

882
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: care about Miami sports, because they won. They won convincingly.

883
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: The crowd was awesome. Uh, you were in That was great?

884
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: That was great.

885
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: They show Andy Enfield, who I thought for a second

886
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: was like in a protest. I thought for a second

887
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: like he was gonna pull official side to go, hey,

888
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be allowed to do that.

889
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: Now it was. That was That was a neat moment.

890
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 7: And no, I and listen, I know people can say

891
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 7: SMU didn't have one of their best players, and they didn't.

892
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 3: Miami's been without each.

893
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 7: Arguably second best or best player in Nevan nepsorrow for

894
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 7: a long time. In fact, when he got hurt, I thought, oh,

895
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 7: this cute little ruck is going to end for them.

896
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 7: And they're not even gonna win the MAC and they're

897
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 7: not gonna go to the nd seed. No, they just

898
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 7: kept right on plugging along.

899
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: At one point, the SMU switches to his own and

900
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: it looked like it had never been practicing.

901
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 3: I know, no, you're right.

902
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 5: Well, that's what I was texting with Jed Demuci, who

903
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 5: you had on your show this week. During the game,

904
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Speaker 5: and there was a certain point in the second half

905
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 5: where you could see they had changed defenses so many

906
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Speaker 5: times that the players were just pointing fingers going out.

907
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: You're supposed to be not I don't know what we're

908
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 4: in anymore.

909
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 5: Like, I don't know what we're supposed to do against

910
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 5: all this cutting and ball movement that they're using. And

911
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 5: at that point, it's like they're done. They they're not

912
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 5: going to stop this offense if they're that confused right now.

913
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: If if you were to lean into a double digit

914
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: seed to win two games, who would it be? I?

915
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 7: I could be talked into Akron winning two games. They

916
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 7: play a wounded Texas Tech. I think they're really good.

917
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 7: Alabama's without its second best player after you got arrested, and.

918
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: They don't guard anybody. I do have on my bracket

919
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: sheet for full transparency, they do have Alabama winning. But

920
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: I could see them running two games them. I was

921
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: gonna say VCU, but I don't see VC.

922
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Speaker 7: You getting past Allwais them were A and M I

923
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 7: got animal in the Sweet sixteen.

924
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: Savior fans are gonna hate to hear me say this.

925
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: I think Texas has a change. I do Texas.

926
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Speaker 3: I've got them in my Sweet sixteen year.

927
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 5: I think they'll beat BYU and then Gonzaga is a

928
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 5: little banged up right now. Like I, I don't know,

929
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 5: I could I could see Texas winning that game too

930
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 5: and getting to the Sweet sixteen.

931
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Speaker 3: I mean, you give me, you give me that roster.

932
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: I'm not losing as many games as Sean Nolah lost.

933
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. They're good and he's a good coach. I

934
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: don't know how they've gone sideways the way they am.

935
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 5: They feel like they're a little underseeded based on their

936
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 5: talent level. And we've seen before where this play in

937
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 5: game team wins the playing game and then gets on

938
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 5: a little.

939
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: Bit of a roll.

940
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 4: They couldn't set that team.

941
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I like that the Xavier fans going

942
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: up there to yell at him.

943
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 5: I was just gonna ask you, what were your guys

944
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 5: takes on that, because they were like, I didn't know

945
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 5: how many Zavier fans would actually do it, but there

946
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 5: are a lot that got escorted out from what.

947
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: I So if you're doing things that rise to the

948
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: level of getting escorted out, that's not good. And if

949
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: you're ruining everybody else's good time, that's not good. But hey,

950
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy tickets, go watch a couple of games

951
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: and scream at Sean Miller.

952
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: Fight with that.

953
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 5: Two things that happened in that game or or kind

954
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 5: of at the end of the game one Ryan Anderson,

955
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 5: their assistant running out onto.

956
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: The foot Sean Miller was gonna murder him.

957
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 4: That's wild.

958
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 5: Now, Addison Archer for NK, you did that at IU

959
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 5: Indy this year And yeah, he got teed up and

960
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 5: Darren Horn like kind of threw him back onto the

961
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 5: bench like, hey, what are you what are you doing?

962
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 4: It's a crazy situation.

963
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 7: There was a there was a conference tournament final over

964
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 7: the weekend and one of the smaller conferences. A guy

965
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 7: made a shot and there was still like point one

966
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 7: or point two on the clock, and a couple of

967
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 7: kids off the bench.

968
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 3: Ran Dayton Saint Louis semi final games. Right, that was

969
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: the game. Dyton should have been teed up. It should

970
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: have been tap, and I'm like, oh my gosh, the

971
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: kid's just.

972
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 7: Gonna ruin everybody and give the credit. I think in

973
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 7: that case, you understand the kid thought the game was over.

974
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 7: He wasn't running for anything. And I think the officials

975
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 7: show is pretty good discrestion there because as soon as

976
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 7: you did that one, oh you knuckle ahead, you just

977
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 7: are going to cost your team.

978
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: But a staff member to do that, yeah, it was

979
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: not the tippin.

980
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's tough. That paunts you the rest of

981
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 4: your career.

982
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: I so old school UC fans remember against Tulane nineteen

983
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: ninety seven, Danny Fordson catches us a pass home run pass,

984
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: takes about nine steps, lays it in Cincinnati, goes on

985
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: top by two with like zero point six seconds to go.

986
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: The bench he erupts, tackled Danny Fortson and they call

987
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: a technical foul. Gerald honeycut of Tulane goes to the

988
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: free throw line, breaks both free throws. He was a

989
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: good player. He was a very good player. He's a

990
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: very good player. Misses both free throws. Crisis averted. But

991
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: the crowd that night at the shoe I thought was

992
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: going to charge the floor to murder those.

993
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: Officials I had.

994
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 4: Now that's interesting. I had never seen that.

995
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, that I could recall before I saw it in

996
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 5: an MKU game this year, and now I've seen it

997
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 5: three times.

998
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and in that case twenty nine years ago, it

999
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: wasn't one or two guys.

1000
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: It's the whole.

1001
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 7: Maybe, maybe what coaches need to do is, like the

1002
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 7: NFL coaches are doing, or trying to do, show the

1003
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 7: film of the guy dropping the ball before he crosses

1004
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 7: the goal line, so your guys don't do the same thing, right,

1005
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 7: Show show them the bench where the guy got tea,

1006
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 7: and go wait till you hear the horn sound.

1007
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 3: Then we can all go have fun.

1008
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 5: Then the other thing that happened is after the game

1009
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 5: Sean comes over, there's some Texas fans, but also some

1010
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 5: Xavier fans are like yelling his name and stuff. After

1011
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 5: he gets the big win. He comes over and drops

1012
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 5: a Horns down with Xavier fans.

1013
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 4: They're asking him do it.

1014
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, Sean Horn's down and he does that on video?

1015
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 5: What world are we living? This is so strange to me.

1016
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 5: I don't know what to think of the whole Sean

1017
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 5: Miller Xavier fan experience right now.

1018
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: I like it.

1019
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I like the fact I know Xavier fans

1020
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: who went to that game but tickets.

1021
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: I literally had a friend of mine who's in this

1022
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: room right now that you work with through text to me.

1023
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 7: Where the fact Ann I think I'm gonna go to

1024
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 7: Daton on tuesdaynight just to yell at Sean Miller.

1025
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: The same person he didn't do it, the same person

1026
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: that we're talking about texting me as Texas is kind

1027
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: of unraveling at the end of regulation and goes is

1028
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: that Wes.

1029
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: Miller or Sean Miller? Oh brother? Which I thought was

1030
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: a little unfair. Yeah, that's thought a little Miller fair.

1031
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: But you enjoyed covering the U SEE coaching search. Wow.

1032
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, it will end as soon as Utah State loses

1033
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 7: the Villa Nova.

1034
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: I feel bad for our friend Chad Brendle because there's

1035
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: no you know, typically as you know coaching searches they

1036
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: help too.

1037
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 3: Well.

1038
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's tough when you don't have any candidates

1039
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 5: to talk about other than one guy, and everybody knows

1040
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 5: who it.

1041
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: Is because the other guy got taken off the board

1042
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: on Friday when they extenuative Josh Shirt. I mean feels

1043
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 3: like it felt like the Saint Louis administration knew that.

1044
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 7: That news was coming down and said, let's get our

1045
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 7: guy buttoned up. A west Miller gets canned. I mean,

1046
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 7: but timing of it was really interesting.

1047
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 5: But I don't think that's on them as much as

1048
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 5: it's his decision. Right if he wants to be interested

1049
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 5: in any of these jobs, he just tells them to wait.

1050
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 5: I'm not signing that yet. It's gonna be on the

1051
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 5: table in two weeks too. The interesting part to me

1052
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 5: is that Josh Shirt said, I'm not interested in any

1053
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 5: of these jobs.

1054
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say at Saint Louis and wait another year

1055
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: or two. All good for him, yeah, I guess.

1056
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 3: And I hope he covers two and a half points

1057
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: to day.

1058
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, care about.

1059
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, Thanks very much, thank you for having me. Thanks

1060
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: name for me. I mean, I did ten I jotted

1061
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 3: down Dickie Thon. Dickie Thon got hit in the head

1062
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: with a pitch hit him. Yeah was what. I didn't

1063
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 3: know that one, but yeah, alright. The Cecilio Guante. Cecilio Guante,

1064
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: he was a Pittsburgh pirate.

1065
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: I believe Raoul, Yes, Raoul was a kicker for.

1066
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 7: The Indianapolis Slash Baltimore Colts.

1067
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: I believe. I prefer your giants as well, and giants I.

1068
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 5: Prefer you throw eighties TV heart throbs that I then

1069
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 5: have to research and look at.

1070
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: Very young fellow.

1071
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh that sounded like a man to me.

1072
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: No, well, the next time I submit questions for the

1073
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: pod next week, I'll do I'll do ten what you

1074
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: want like childhood crushes of mine.

1075
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 4: From tv' that'd be great that I guys. I like

1076
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 4: to google him as he's I.

1077
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: Gave you guys, Justine Bateman once, I gave you guys,

1078
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: Nancy McKeon once.

1079
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 4: First time I had seen either of them.

1080
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: Markey Post first time in the day.

1081
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: Markey Post was a number one. You describe Markey Post

1082
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 1: very very well, and it was. It was right after

1083
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: her death, so I felt like it was a proper tribute.

1084
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: Catch this Guinea Podcast.

1085
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: What a eulogy you talked about how how well she

1086
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: filled out leather pants?

1087
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: Yes she did, Yes she did, which we really all

1088
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 3: want to be read the Jim Bowden of eighties television.

1089
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,960
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1090
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1092
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1093
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1094
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Speaker 1: Mate and Chill. We still have teams to give away

1100
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: to when the Bertram Golf Package Tennessee Golf get Away

1101
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: prizes from Sports Investments as well as tickets from Riverbend

1102
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: Music Center, the Hall of Fame voice of the UC

1103
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: Bearricats and the iconic voice of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1104
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: Dan Horde is with me. What's up, pal? How you doing?

1105
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 3: And I believe the runner up and the struggle for

1106
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 3: the stake for the second year in a row. Congrats.

1107
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm looking forward to the dinner again this year.

1108
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 8: We have somebody who's volunteered to pay as long as

1109
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 8: he can join us, so the loser does not have

1110
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 8: to pony up.

1111
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 3: Wow, how about that. That's that's awesome for you guys.

1112
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 3: I wasn't paying either way. That's true. It's good to

1113
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: see it.

1114
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 8: I was just telling Jim Mooring that I found a

1115
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 8: picture on my phone today of my son Sam filling

1116
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 8: out his first ever NCAA tournament bracket here at the

1117
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 8: Holy Grail when he was eight years old. That's good fathering,

1118
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 8: isn't it. Yes, you're sitting at the bar. Yes, thankfully

1119
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 8: the picture shows him with a water, not an alcoholic beverage.

1120
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 8: But yeah, he got off to a good start by

1121
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 8: filling out his bracket here.

1122
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: And so there's my daughter Crosley, this is not at

1123
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: the bar, at the table yesterday while watching the first

1124
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: four game yesterday, filling out the bracket, and I explained

1125
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: to her that the only way to do it is

1126
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: to write the teams out, because she asked, is there

1127
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: basically is there a computer option?

1128
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 3: And I said yes, but you got to do it

1129
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: the right way. You got to fill it out by hand.

1130
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: You're right, She's right. I'm glad she did that. House

1131
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: her bracket. Who does she have winning it?

1132
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: She has duke winning it. She came in third in

1133
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: a pool that I'm in last year. Impressive and did

1134
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: it by doing what most of us probably should do.

1135
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: Just picked the higher number or pick the lower number.

1136
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 3: So she went total chalk.

1137
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 8: Pretty much total chalk last year work because all the

1138
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 8: number ones made it most years, yeah, most years. That'll

1139
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 8: keep you in the hunt, right, that will not win.

1140
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 3: She did ask where the Bearcats are? And I had

1141
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: to had to explain.

1142
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, not so much. What was those last two

1143
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: minutes of regulation like for you last weekful?

1144
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 8: Really painful, frustrating and painful, feel badly for Wes.

1145
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: Had the final two minutes gone.

1146
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 8: Differently, he might still be the head coach depending on

1147
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 8: how things would have gone the next game against Arizona,

1148
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 8: But really painful.

1149
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: Did it feel to you that night that, because of

1150
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: how they lost, that sealed his feet? Probably a factor.

1151
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 8: But I do think what everybody said at the beginning

1152
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 8: of the year really turned out to be true. The

1153
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 8: bar was set at trying to make the NCAA tournament,

1154
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 8: and unfortunately they didn't make it. It was kind of

1155
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 8: similar to coach Saderfield. Everybody said, seven wins in a

1156
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 8: bowl will allow him.

1157
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: To keep his job. That's the bar that they set.

1158
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 8: That's the bar that he hit, and unfortunately Wes did

1159
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 8: not hit the bar that I think most people said,

1160
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 8: why did.

1161
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: This team this season not played to the level that

1162
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 3: so many of us hope they would. Eventually they did,

1163
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 3: but it was too little, too late. You know. I

1164
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: hate to be.

1165
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 8: Like this is an O's critic of Wes, because he

1166
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 8: knows a lot more about basketball than I do. I

1167
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 8: do think that early in the year he tolerated things

1168
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 8: that came back to bite him. Bad guys are bad shooters,

1169
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 8: taking too many bad shots, costing them games, things like that.

1170
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 8: I think you get what you tolerate as a coach,

1171
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 8: and I think early this season he tolerated too much.

1172
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: I think he eventually fixed it.

1173
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 8: The right guys were taking the best shots, the right

1174
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 8: guys were playing the most minutes. I think he was

1175
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 8: trying to figure it out when some guys were not

1176
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 8: available early in the year, and ultimately it came around

1177
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 8: to cost him the season in his job.

1178
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: Every sign points to Jared Calhoun being the guy spent

1179
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: some time at uc toward the tail end of Bob Huggins' tenure.

1180
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 3: Is he a guy that you remember it all? Did

1181
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: you at all?

1182
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 8: Absolutely? I remember him well. So that was the year

1183
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 8: that we went to Velpo with Chuck in a perch.

1184
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: Two two thousand and three. Did the game on the phone? Yeah, yeah,

1185
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: so yeah, I talked to him a lot that year.

1186
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 8: The thing I remember about him was that he was

1187
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 8: a little bit like Mick at that stage in that

1188
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 8: he was really tapped into Ohio recruiting. Remember Jamar Butler,

1189
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 8: He went to Ohio State and had a great career.

1190
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 8: He committed to Cincinnati when he was in like ninth grade,

1191
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 8: and eventually by the time he was a senior, he

1192
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 8: flipped to Ohio State and went on to have a

1193
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 8: really good career with the Buckeyes.

1194
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: Jared really knew him well. He was kind of.

1195
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 8: Keeping me up to date on Ohio State swooping in.

1196
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 8: I don't know if Cincinnati's going to be able to

1197
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 8: hold on to him. So he was really tapped into

1198
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 8: Ohio recruiting back then. Now, of course, that's not as important.

1199
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 8: You know, in the transfer port lera. You'll still try

1200
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 8: to get the best players in the state if you can,

1201
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 8: but it's not like being a grassroots high school guy

1202
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 8: is as valuable as it used to be. But I

1203
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 8: thought he was really impressive young guy at that time.

1204
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 8: If he turns out to be the guy, and honestly,

1205
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 8: I do think that's the way it's probably going to go,

1206
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 8: I think it'll be a good hire. He's a really

1207
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 8: sharp guy. He's obviously had a lot of success. He

1208
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 8: was the best man at Joe Miszoula's wedding.

1209
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: Before you there.

1210
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 8: Okay, so Joe Mizzouola was his assistant at Fair State,

1211
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 8: yes Vision two. So yeah, I think he's an oppressive coach.

1212
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 8: Hopefully Utah State does well in the NCAA tournament and

1213
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 8: that makes the sizzle grow even more.

1214
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: Not that this should be the biggest factor, but I

1215
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: have talked with a few former players who have given

1216
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: Jared Calhoun their seal of approval, which is not insignificant.

1217
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: Always good.

1218
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 8: You know, Wes did a great job of kind of

1219
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 8: building bridges to the alums as well as somebody that

1220
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 8: played at North Carolina possibly could so Jared has an

1221
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 8: advantage in that he was an assistant here for one

1222
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 8: year and worked for Bob Huggins for many years, so

1223
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 8: that will help with those bridges. But good to know

1224
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 8: that the guys that you've talked to are already on board.

1225
00:49:59,239 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 8: If he turns out to.

1226
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 3: The guy weird that I have no Big twelve teams

1227
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 3: in the final four? Who do you have instead of Michigan?

1228
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 3: I have twelve. You said you don't have Arizona.

1229
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: I don't.

1230
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: I have both to you, I do. I want Houston.

1231
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: We've talked. We talked about this a year ago. No, yeah,

1232
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: I don't, but yeah, that's right.

1233
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 8: We sat here, we sat here at this time last year,

1234
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 8: and I made a great case for why Houston had

1235
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 8: no chance, right, and then you know they were one

1236
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 8: Emmanuel sharp gaff from winning the National championship.

1237
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: So it shows you what I know.

1238
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 8: I do think home court advantage essentially in the sweet

1239
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 8: sixteen and the Elite eight will help them get to

1240
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 8: the Final four this year. But I have Arizona winning

1241
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 8: at all, okay, And I do admit to having the

1242
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 8: having seen them in person bias.

1243
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 3: This ruins my bracket every year.

1244
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 8: I always favor the teams that I've seen in person

1245
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 8: that were impressive to me when I saw them, I

1246
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 8: thought Arizona looked incredible when you see lost to them

1247
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 8: at Arizona. So Arizona is my team. I think they're

1248
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 8: going to win it all. But I think that is

1249
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 8: the majority of most of the people on ESPN dot com.

1250
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 8: So there I am thinking, just like everybody, I.

1251
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: Wish because I didn't like the result, but I had

1252
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: it was lucky enough to go on the the love

1253
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: it trick. See you see play Texas Tech, and I

1254
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: love Christian Anderson may love how that team played.

1255
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 3: I wish they had JT.

1256
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 8: Toppin Yeah, and I wish I knew that Christian Anderson

1257
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 8: was one hundred percent So after he's straighted is.

1258
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: Growing on the glass court in Kansas City for it?

1259
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 3: Oh way? Is that a sentence you ever thought you'd say?

1260
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm also coming down from my stance of every

1261
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 8: team in the NBA will have this in a year

1262
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 8: or two, which I said at Kansas City that was

1263
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 8: before you know, a great player strained who is growing

1264
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 8: on it, And they changed the next day, so that

1265
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 8: might not have been a great take. You know, they

1266
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 8: looked really good that night, but then teams started to

1267
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 8: figure them out and they didn't look as good. So

1268
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,959
Speaker 8: I don't have them going very far. All right, Iowa State,

1269
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 8: Iowa State, I have in the Elite eight. Okay, Iowa

1270
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 8: State has lot. I mean, obviously they lost to Cincinnati,

1271
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 8: they lost the UCF. They're capable of not being great,

1272
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 8: but when they've played well, they played really well. They

1273
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 8: look great against Houston in the Big Twelve tournament. I

1274
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 8: think they're going to go to the Elite eight. I

1275
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 8: think they're good. That gives me three Big Twelve teams

1276
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 8: in the Elite eight and two in the Final four,

1277
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 8: and one winning the national championships. So my seeing them

1278
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 8: in person bias is really strong.

1279
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: Cincinnati played TCU the last regular season game, and I

1280
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: think that game was more about how poor the Bearcats played.

1281
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: But TCU does play Ohio State the first game of

1282
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: the tournament today, What do you making?

1283
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 8: The horn Frogs got TCU winning that game, but that's it.

1284
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 8: They were better than I thought. Again when I saw

1285
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 8: them in person, I thought going into that game UC

1286
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 8: was going to win, and then after seeing tc I'm like, Okay,

1287
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 8: I get it now, Jamie Dixon's really good. It's a

1288
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 8: really good offensive team. The ball pops, They've got good

1289
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 8: inside outside balance.

1290
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: So I think TCU wins the day no Richie Saunders

1291
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 3: and BYU against Texas.

1292
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 8: Texas wins for that reason, right, you know BYU won

1293
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 8: two be two good teams after Richie Saunders was hurt,

1294
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 8: but lost all of their other games, obviously lost by

1295
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 8: twenty two at UC. I think if Richie Saunders were

1296
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 8: still on that team, they could get to the Sweet sixteen.

1297
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: I don't think they win a game without them.

1298
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: We talk about being chalky and the sort of separation

1299
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: of the elite teams, with all the talent being distributed

1300
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: to teams like Michigan, Arizona, et cetera, it makes it

1301
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: more and more difficult to forecast upsets.

1302
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: That's the prevailing sentiment. Is your bracket reflective of that.

1303
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 8: I've got a few upsets, So I heard Skinny on

1304
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 8: as I was driving over. I have Akron getting to

1305
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 8: the Sweet sixteen. So that's not a yeah, maybe they

1306
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 8: can do it. I think they are going to do it.

1307
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 8: I think they catch two teams that have very significant injuries.

1308
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 8: Texas Tech obviously with topping, and then Alabama. After that,

1309
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 8: I think at less than one hundred percent, they can

1310
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 8: beat each of those teams.

1311
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: So Akron is my biggest upset pick getting to the

1312
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 3: Sweet sixteen. What a season.

1313
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: They lose one game in the league, they win the

1314
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: MAC Tournament, nobody's talking about them because of Miami and the.

1315
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: One game they lost was by two at Miami. Is

1316
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 3: that correct?

1317
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you could make the case that they were

1318
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 8: the best team in the MAC as great as Miami is.

1319
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 3: Would you give Miami a shot against Tennessee.

1320
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 8: Yes, I don't think they'll win, but I give them

1321
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 8: a shot because of their three point shooting and the

1322
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 8: fact that they did it last night. Now it was

1323
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 8: a de facto home game, which helps, but they showed

1324
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 8: that with the light's the brightest, that a bunch of

1325
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 8: guys could hit threes with the pressure on. Now, the

1326
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 8: defense will be a little bit tighter against Tennessee with

1327
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 8: that athleticism in that length, But anytime you've got that

1328
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 8: many guys that can make threes, you've got a shot.

1329
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 8: So I think they'll cover and I think it'll be

1330
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 8: a game, but ultimately I think Tennessee pulls it out.

1331
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 3: Having been in this market for thirty years.

1332
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: Did you ever think you would be not covering I guess,

1333
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: but around for a Miami team that wins every game

1334
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: in the regular season, it becomes the Darling and college basketball.

1335
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 3: That's what it was described as last night.

1336
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that was accurate. No, No, I did not

1337
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 8: see that coming. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, I

1338
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 8: was here for the wallys Irbiax Sweet sixteen runs, so

1339
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 8: that seemed like a once in a lifetime type of thing.

1340
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: And maybe it's not. You know, maybe they do it again,

1341
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 3: But kudos to them. Phenomenal season.

1342
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 8: I watched a bunch of their games, and I feel

1343
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 8: like I watched every game where it looked like they

1344
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 8: were dead. Yeah, and they managed to win, which happened

1345
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 8: like six or seven times. So what a phenomenal accomplishment.

1346
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I mean last night, I'm not a

1347
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: Miami fan necessarily, but in that environment, the way they

1348
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: played felt like they were in control the entire way.

1349
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: And you know, it didn't work out for Travis Steel Xavier.

1350
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: But it's fun to watch folks who care about XU

1351
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: basketball say all the nice things they're saying about Travis

1352
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: because I think, you know, I talked about Wes Miller

1353
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: a lot. There was a blueprint for Wes. Yeah, you

1354
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: know where hold your head up high, handle the exit. Well,

1355
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: go find a place that'll take it. Give you a shot,

1356
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: which I'm sure he'll get and take it and run.

1357
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: And I'm hoping for Wes. You've gotten to know very

1358
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 1: well over the last five years that there's a similar

1359
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: sort of outcome as we've seen with Travis Steele in Oxford.

1360
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 8: You know, I think it's very possible because I think

1361
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 8: their ten years were very similar. You know, Travis Steel

1362
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 8: didn't make an NCAA tournament. He was close a couple

1363
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 8: of times. Wes didn't make an NCAA tournament. He was

1364
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 8: fairly close a couple of time times.

1365
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 3: I think he's a good coach.

1366
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 8: I think if Jalen Haynes weren't hurt this year, that

1367
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 8: in and of itself might have been enough to get

1368
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 8: him to the NCAA tournament. If Gisel James didn't miss

1369
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 8: the first ten games they lost four, that might have

1370
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 8: been enough to get him to the NCAA tournament. So

1371
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 8: I think, like Travis Steele, maybe the best is yes

1372
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 8: yet to come.

1373
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: Do you think it's it's possible to win in year

1374
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: one where you're not sitting here with me. In a

1375
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: year you're calling an NCAA tournament game in this league,

1376
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: can you get things I hate to say turned around

1377
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: because it wasn't like they were that far away, But

1378
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: can you win instantly?

1379
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 3: You see in this environment? Absolutely?

1380
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 8: I mean, I think the other Miami the Hurricanes, have

1381
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 8: shown that it's possible. Horrific last year NCAA Tournament this year. Now,

1382
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 8: the ACC is not the Big twelve, but it's a

1383
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 8: power conference. So absolutely. You know, at least as of now,

1384
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 8: Corey Evans is still the GM. I think he's going

1385
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 8: to stay. Had a multi year contract, so you know,

1386
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 8: he is already working on potential portal guys and things

1387
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 8: like that. Now we'll see if the new head coach

1388
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 8: wants to maintain that relationship.

1389
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 3: He might have his own guy. Who knows, But.

1390
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's very possible if you're willing to spend, and

1391
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 8: they spent this year, and it is absolutely possible.

1392
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: Does Jared Calhoun or whoever the coaches have to walk

1393
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: into a situation where the roster is empty, do you

1394
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: think some of these guys would be at least open

1395
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: to staying.

1396
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 8: Maybe because they have a little bit of time to

1397
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 8: work on them. So the portal I think reopens April ninth,

1398
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 8: something like seventh or nine. Yeah, so whoever the next

1399
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 8: head coach is is going to have roughly a week

1400
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 8: to work on it. So you're talking about how much

1401
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 8: money you're able to offer them. Hopefully they had good

1402
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 8: experiences for the guys that you would want to keep.

1403
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's possible.

1404
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 8: Now, Mustafa Cha, by the way he played over the

1405
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 8: final four weeks of the season, is.

1406
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 3: Going to get a ton of money.

1407
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 8: I'm sure there are a lot of schools out there

1408
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 8: right now that are telling his representation. You know, maybe

1409
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 8: Cincinnati can pay you this amount, but we will so

1410
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 8: we'll see and then we have to play him. Yeah right,

1411
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 8: maybe yeah, stays in the Big twelve.

1412
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 3: Its possibly. I mean, would it shock you if he

1413
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 3: was at BYU or not? No at all. No, that

1414
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 3: would be miserable.

1415
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 8: But hopefully he had a great experience and UC is

1416
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 8: able to at least come close to whatever another school

1417
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 8: would be willing to toward the.

1418
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 3: End of the season. He was the guy that I

1419
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 3: read about last summer.

1420
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, at least offensively. Sure, offensively he was rebounding. Why

1421
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 8: he was rebounding whise he was defensively he wasn't didn't

1422
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 8: block as many shots, wasn't as big a factor on

1423
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 8: defense as I thought he could have been or should

1424
00:59:59,040 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 8: have been.

1425
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 3: That's the next step.

1426
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 8: But you've got a guy that's seven too, that averaged

1427
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 8: nearly twenty points a game for the final eight or

1428
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 8: nine games of the year.

1429
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 3: That'll work. You've give him mccronin a chance. I want to.

1430
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: I've I've been two games actually cold one filling in

1431
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: for you where Mick cronin has coached against Dan Hurley.

1432
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: Now Mick's got a healthier team that he's had at

1433
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: any point this season. Donovan Den's playing really well. I

1434
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: root for Mick to uh. Could could Nick pull off

1435
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: an upset? He's got to get past UCF, which you've

1436
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: seen up close. I don't like that team at all.

1437
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: Can he beat Dan Hurley and Yukon? No? Yeah? No?

1438
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 3: Uh? The postgame press conference better with Mick losing or

1439
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 3: Dan losing? Huh uh?

1440
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 8: Well, depending on the circumstances of the game and the officiated,

1441
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 8: Probably more entertaining with Mick right during the game, more

1442
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 8: fun to watch Dan. Yeah, bust yeah, but postgame probably Mick.

1443
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, watching when Nick was still at U see coach

1444
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: against Dan, Well, that.

1445
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 3: Was rough for those officials. That's hard.

1446
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's when Yukon wasn't very good, right, Yeah,

1447
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 8: you know now that they're good, he's toned it down

1448
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 8: a tiny bit.

1449
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1450
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 8: There's still about four times a year where he's in

1451
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 8: totally he out of the game against Marquette. Yeah, yeah,

1452
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 8: so that was one of the four. Yeah, but it

1453
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 8: used to be just about every game for all forty minutes.

1454
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 3: It's not quite that anymore. Not quite.

1455
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: Can you make me feel better about watching Barrett Carter

1456
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: and Demetrius Night next year?

1457
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 8: Still hopeful that they'll sign somebody. I know, the guys

1458
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 8: that most of us wanted are gone. I'm okay with

1459
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 8: Bobby Wagner, Yes, fine, okay with Matt Mulano. If the

1460
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 8: medical you know, check up says that he's got a

1461
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 8: chance to play, you know, at least twelve games. He

1462
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 8: played twelve last year, I'd be fine with either of

1463
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 8: those guys. And I'd really be fine with Bobby Wagner.

1464
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty seven years old but still has gas in

1465
01:01:58,600 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 3: the tank.

1466
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 8: I mean, his stats were great last year. He was

1467
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 8: PFF's number ten line back.

1468
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:03,959
Speaker 3: Fine.

1469
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 8: He had four and a half sacks. I talked to

1470
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 8: Josh Johnson, Bengals quarterback Josh Johnson recently about Bobby Wagner.

1471
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 8: He's said great things about Bobby Wagner. So it sounds

1472
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 8: like Bobby wants to play. Doesn't sound like it's going

1473
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 8: to be Washington. So yeah, I'd be fine to sign

1474
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 8: up Bobby Wagner for one.

1475
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 3: Now stoked are you about Brian Cook He.

1476
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 8: Was the number one guy wanted them to side, so

1477
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 8: extremely stoked. I think he's exactly what this defense needed.

1478
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 8: Somebody that puts the fear of God into wide receivers

1479
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 8: and tight ends running across the middle of the.

1480
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 3: Field that has not existed for a while.

1481
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 8: I could tackle, not only make a tackle, but punish

1482
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 8: a guy, you know, totally clean, totally illegal, but really

1483
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 8: punish a guy, take him to the ground so that

1484
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 8: he's slow to get up. Brian Cooks that guy. Wait

1485
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 8: tremendous signing. Yeah, you know, he's the highest paid free

1486
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 8: agent safety for a reason. He's a great player. I

1487
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 8: think he's gonna be perfect for this defense. And if

1488
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 8: Caleb Downs is there at number ten, has to still

1489
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 8: take him.

1490
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 3: I still dream of watching those two guys in the

1491
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 3: secondary together.

1492
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Caleb Downs could be your slot corner

1493
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 8: for a year. And then you know, you don't have

1494
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 8: to re sign Jordan Battle unless it goes so well

1495
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 8: with the three of them playing that you would want to. Right,

1496
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 8: all right, let me know where the steak dinner is.

1497
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: Well do if you guys aren't going to pay for it,

1498
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: like I think there should be a like something extra

1499
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: for the guy who wins.

1500
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 3: It, pay for the booze. Yeah, well that's not no, no,

1501
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 3: I remember in my mind that might be a higher task.

1502
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 3: Be careful what you say. I can't thank you and.

1503
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 8: Time again it is your booze and not tnl's red wine.

1504
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 8: So it probably works out okay.

1505
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 3: Probably for the better. Thank you as always for doing

1506
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 3: it my pleasure. Thanks for having me on.

1507
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: You're the best, So great Dan Horde here at the

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Speaker 1: of those two shows and the entire twenty twenty six

1525
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: Riverben calendar. Shannon Minor is here, the second greatest player

1526
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: out of his family to play at NKU.

1527
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 3: What was your career shooting percentage.

1528
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: From three my senior year forty nine percent?

1529
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: What was your career field goal percentage thirty nine forty

1530
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: thirty nine forty percent. Your son leaves NKU with a

1531
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: career shooting percentage of one percent.

1532
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.

1533
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 3: You know, on senior day, what happened to your voice?

1534
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:25,479
Speaker 2: It's gone?

1535
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 3: What have you been doing? It's the weather, the weather,

1536
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:30,959
Speaker 3: the weather, Yeah, okay, it's the weather.

1537
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 2: You know, his senior day, he didn't even want to

1538
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: play because he didn't want to mess up his.

1539
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: Percent Yeah, I know, he's the schools all time leader

1540
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: in field goal percentage.

1541
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 2: For you should have played more. I mean I told

1542
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: Darien on senior day, you know, you play him. You

1543
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 2: know he might get a couple more ws. Yeah, might

1544
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 2: be in the tournament. But you know he's got good

1545
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 2: work ethic. Don't know where he gets that from. Maybe

1546
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: maybe his mom. Mom signed up to do an eight

1547
01:05:58,960 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 2: hour mayor.

1548
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: We talked about this eighty hour eight okay, eight hour marathon.

1549
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: He's mad because he signed up for the twelve, but

1550
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 2: he's signed up late, so now he's got to do

1551
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 2: the eight hour run.

1552
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 3: Why would one do this to themselves? I have no clue.

1553
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 3: Eight hours.

1554
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be around his parents. Eight hours

1555
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 2: of nothing but running, running in Batavia somewhere for eight hours.

1556
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 2: That's a two mile course for eight hours.

1557
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: It's not like, I mean, he just got done playing basketball,

1558
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: is in good shape, like a fat guy like me

1559
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: could probably you know, benefit.

1560
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 2: From doing that. He doesn't look that much better than us, so.

1561
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 3: It looks a lot better than me.

1562
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 2: But I'd rather not run.

1563
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, you.

1564
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 2: Were eating an apple or I'm gonna do it?

1565
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 3: What's going on? I had an apple for breakfast.

1566
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm about to do eight hours, an eight hour marathon

1567
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: myself at noon and go be an and running and

1568
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: no apples and gonna be more apples either cider. Yeah,

1569
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: so very very similar dynamic. My eight hour marathon starts

1570
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: in about thirty five minutes. Let's put a bow in

1571
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: the NKU season, which, for those who don't know, your

1572
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: son wrapped up his college career with the Norris. I

1573
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: thought it was a weird year because it felt like

1574
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: every time they were about to kind of get going,

1575
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: they lose and then lose multiple games in a row.

1576
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: And I felt like the game against Wright State and

1577
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: the Horizon League tournament was kind of a microcosm of that.

1578
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think, you know, we always talk about this,

1579
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 2: it's a marathon of the season. You know, you either

1580
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 2: get worse, you get better. You want to be playing

1581
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: your best at the.

1582
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 4: End of the year.

1583
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 2: I do think that this Sam Benson thing earlier in

1584
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 2: the year, I think he should have got another year.

1585
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: You got guys playing five and six years. Sam Benson

1586
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 2: couldn't get another year. That hurt them because I would

1587
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: have gave them more depth. They just couldn't put it together.

1588
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 2: But I do give guys credit, like LJ. He stayed

1589
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 2: there for four years. You know, that's unheard of anymore.

1590
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 2: It is being somewhere for four years.

1591
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 3: It is.

1592
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: They were inconsistent throughout the year. They just couldn't put

1593
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 2: it together. But I do know this, they did have

1594
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: enough to win it. They were hanging.

1595
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: They eat Green Bay in the tournament, they could have

1596
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: beat Right State. They were beating for twenty five minutes.

1597
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: I thought they were going to be Right State yep.

1598
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: And then I think all bets would have been off

1599
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: in the final against Detroit.

1600
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 2: Mercall, Yeah, I mean you're right about that. It's just

1601
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 2: it's just it's it's very difficult for the mid majors.

1602
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 2: I know Miami was able to do it, but nku's

1603
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: a little bit lower than that. And now when you

1604
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 2: have different guys come in. They had two European players

1605
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 2: come and it takes time to put those guys together.

1606
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: Uh, you were locked into the Miami game last night?

1607
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: How well do you know Travis? Pretty well?

1608
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 2: I mean through through coaching and working camps and being

1609
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: that as Xavier. I mean I was.

1610
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 3: Texting you not stop, yeah, being I couldn't respond quickly enough.

1611
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: I mean I was giving you a lot of information

1612
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 2: you are you know? Yeah, I was passing along videos.

1613
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: I was passing along defense, offense, strategy. You know what

1614
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 2: a great story, Yes it is.

1615
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 3: I I'm thrilled for him.

1616
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 2: Kind of a throwback.

1617
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, team ten players from last year.

1618
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 4: You know what?

1619
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 2: It kind of reminds you of the NCAA fifteen twenty

1620
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 2: years ago.

1621
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 3: It does.

1622
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: It was kind of refreshing to watch the game and

1623
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 2: to really be honest with you. Can't wait for Friday

1624
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 2: at four thirty. Yeah, for them to play Tennessee.

1625
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1626
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: I what I like about their team is folks forget

1627
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: they I don't want to say they had it one,

1628
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: but they were in control of the MAC Tournament title

1629
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 1: game last year. I think they had an eight eighteen

1630
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,799
Speaker 1: point lead at halftime, maybe sixteen point lead, they're in control,

1631
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: it disintegrates. They lose by two. And it's cliche to say, like,

1632
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, we use that as motivation. But I talked

1633
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: to Travis in August or September last year where he's like,

1634
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: we've talked about that game every single day, and I

1635
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: got the same team coming back. And so they lose

1636
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: the way they did it a good year last year.

1637
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: It didn't splinter, guys didn't go other places. They weren't

1638
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: able to keep that roster intact, which is so rare

1639
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: in this day and age, and use that as motivation.

1640
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: And again it sounds cliche, but they did, and then

1641
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: put together a team that offensive. You and I were

1642
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: texting about it last night. The way they moved the ball,

1643
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: the way they take care of it, the way they

1644
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 1: can shoot it, and the way they can shoot it

1645
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: from a lot of areas on the floor with a

1646
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: lot of different guys. I do give him a chance

1647
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: against Tennessee.

1648
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 2: I do say this, and I text you at the end,

1649
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 2: they weren't taking enough time off the clock with three

1650
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: or four minutes. They took too many quick threes where

1651
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 2: they could have got the same shot twenty seconds later.

1652
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 2: I think all that time out when they had the

1653
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 2: fake double screen and he drove it and he went

1654
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 2: back door. We called him he went back door dunk.

1655
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 2: I just think those are things like Travis is doing

1656
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 2: a great job. He's in a perfect place right now. Now,

1657
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: in a month from now, don't know where he's going

1658
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 2: to be, don't know where that team's going to be.

1659
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 2: Who's going to be back. That's going to be interesting

1660
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 2: because two years of success.

1661
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

1662
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 1: I said to Rick Bring before, I feel like he

1663
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: picked a bad year to have a great year because

1664
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: I just I don't know that that gig is to

1665
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: be open that you go, you know what, that makes

1666
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: a lot of sense for him. But look, man, stay

1667
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: in Oxford and kill it there for a while and

1668
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: eventually an opportunity is gonna come.

1669
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing is stock is high right now. Sure,

1670
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 2: so next year guys leave. They have a different chemistry.

1671
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: You win eighteen games, now your stock goes down. So

1672
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 2: you got the Butler thing, you know. I just think,

1673
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: like you know, for me, he's from Indiana, I graduated

1674
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: from there. I just think that would be a spot

1675
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: for him. The triple with salary, I mean I'm just saying,

1676
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 2: like it's kind of hard.

1677
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: Now, you'll be excited about this because I know you

1678
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: love Illinois coach Brad Underwood.

1679
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 3: Love them. I have him in the final four? You

1680
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 3: do I do?

1681
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 5: I do?

1682
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: I have him beating Houston, and I have him beating

1683
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: Florida offensively Illinois when they're.

1684
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 3: At their best. Do you have them too?

1685
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: Got lead eight? Got Florida beating them?

1686
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 3: Okay, which is obviously plausible.

1687
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: Florida played terrific over the last month and then didn't

1688
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: play great against Kentucky and look checked out against Vanderbilt.

1689
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: But that Illinois team, now, the other end of it

1690
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: is they're not great defensively, but they're at full health offensively.

1691
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: I love how they play, can beat you inside and out.

1692
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: Your guy, Brett Underwood, your favorite coach maybe in the country.

1693
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: Chris Mack Is he still coaching?

1694
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 2: But don't tell anybody I said that. Yeah, he's a

1695
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 2: What was that Kyle of Charleston? They didn't make the

1696
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 2: turn on?

1697
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 3: No, Okay, he's pretty upset about that.

1698
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: He'll be back next year.

1699
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 5: He is.

1700
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 2: He could have been on the show today. He could

1701
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 2: have been He filled in for me two years ago.

1702
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 2: Three years ago. Yeah, he ain't anything.

1703
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: He faced time him and ask him what time his

1704
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: team to that again, Let's let's do it before the

1705
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 1: marathon starts.

1706
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 3: But I know you like Brett Underwood, like Hell's team squad.

1707
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: Yes, great coach. Like his offense a few years ago

1708
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 2: was so good. I think they've recruited differently now so

1709
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 2: they don't run the same offense. But like a lot

1710
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 2: of teams, and you know this watching the NBA, they'll

1711
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,520
Speaker 2: do a little horns action. Put two shooters in the corner.

1712
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 3: Yep and one two guys in the high post. Yeah.

1713
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Illinois more than I know ball.

1714
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 3: I know you do.

1715
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 2: You played it, so why not? You were an all

1716
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: star Scott High School. But what I'm saying is his

1717
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: old offense kept all five guys moving right, and I

1718
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 2: think we lose track of that. Miami does a great

1719
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,719
Speaker 2: job of that, always moving guys. They could play inside outside,

1720
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 2: same way with Illinois. Now they could play inside outside.

1721
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 2: They got some death inside and it could get forward

1722
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 2: to some problems.

1723
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: I know, you know Pat Kelsey well, and I wish

1724
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: he had his guy MIKEL. Brown, who's when healthy and

1725
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: he just hasn't been healthy enough. But when healthy, he's

1726
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: a lottery pick caliber player. I don't know if he's

1727
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: going to go on the lottery because of the injuries,

1728
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: but we've seen. I mean Kentucky fans saw it, fans

1729
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: in the ACC saw it, and that backcourt with Conwell

1730
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: and mckel brown together is a load. Cincinnati fans saw it. Unfortunately,

1731
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: they're an entirely different team without him, and so I

1732
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: worry about him against the USF. I would worry about

1733
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: him if they played mccronin and USC or UCLA later

1734
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: on in the tournament.

1735
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 3: Pat had a team at full strength.

1736
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 2: I mean it helps. I mean you saw last night

1737
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: with s m U they didn't have their best player. Yeah,

1738
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 2: so second, I mean he averages thirteen five whatever, But

1739
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 2: still you take someone out that that hurts your team.

1740
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: I mean I saw U c l A play a

1741
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 2: lot last week because I went to the Big Ten tournament.

1742
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 2: They're good.

1743
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 3: They're good, dono, that's awesome, awesome if were healthy.

1744
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 2: It went't healthy, same with their tall guy helped me out.

1745
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 2: Begins with the beat beat I mean, if they have

1746
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 2: their whole team. I even said this. I was telling

1747
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 2: Uxed brother Dan that if there's so much better on

1748
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 2: defense this year u c l A. And I know

1749
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 2: mix about defense, but also they're a team that can

1750
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 2: control the tempo as well.

1751
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 3: U c l A.

1752
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 2: They don't look to push the ball a lot there

1753
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 2: you Tyler, Yeah, his his his aunt was sitting right

1754
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 2: next to talking to her. But they don't push the

1755
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 2: ball lot U c l A. Nlets they get a steal.

1756
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 2: And the half court offense, they're superb. They're and their

1757
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 2: defense has gotten better. That's a team that can meet

1758
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 2: in Michigan State. Yes again, yes, and I have them

1759
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: beating Michigan State. What's that called the blueprint?

1760
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 3: They got it? Yeah.

1761
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,560
Speaker 1: So what I what I like about Mixed team this

1762
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: year is they went through a stretch where they got

1763
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 1: clobbered by Michigan. They got clobbered on the road at

1764
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: Michigan State, and you know, Mick was making more noise

1765
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: for postgame press conferences and sound bites and things like that,

1766
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: and people are wondering, God is Micking to get let

1767
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: go at UCLA And then, as he often does, he grinds,

1768
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: puts his nose down, gets his team to rally. They've

1769
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: lost two games since and made the tournament and made

1770
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: it with ease, so and they're healthy. They as healthy

1771
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: as they've been since the beginning of the season.

1772
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 2: You know, the team I was oppressed with it was Purdue. Yes,

1773
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 2: watching them loves senior oriented. Yeah, they got one of

1774
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 2: the best guards and Baydon Smith. When you're getting fifteen

1775
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: assists in a game and you can score, here's the

1776
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 2: thing that when he brings the ball down the court

1777
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 2: and he doesn't even have to look over at the

1778
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 2: coach anymore, he already knows. It's like having a player

1779
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 2: manager or a manager, you know, like Pete rose Back

1780
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 2: buy like he understands the game so well. And they

1781
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 2: got a big guy. They got two big guys, right.

1782
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: You know what. They're a little bit of a version

1783
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: of Miami where top four players are seniors and the

1784
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: top three among those four have been in West Lofiette

1785
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: for years. So it's great continuity for Matt Painter to

1786
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: beat that Michigan team the way they did. I have

1787
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: Michigan winning the whole thing because I just think top

1788
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: to bottom. I view it through a limited spectrum. Who

1789
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: is the team that most often during the season made

1790
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 1: me go they're the best team in the country. Now,

1791
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 1: there were times where I felt like, God, Arizona's the

1792
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: best team in the country. There have been times, love

1793
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: cam Booser, I felt like Duke is the best team

1794
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: in the country Florida the way they've played late, But

1795
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 1: the team that over the course of the last four

1796
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: months when I've watched him I've been most impressed by

1797
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: has been Michigan. Also, just picking teams, I feel like,

1798
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pick ones, more folks are gonna pick Duke, Florida,

1799
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: and Arizona than Michigan. So that's that has something to

1800
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: do with it. But for Purdue to beat that team

1801
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: the way they did, it kind of got lost because

1802
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 1: as soon as the game ends, we dropped the bracket,

1803
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: we kind of forget about, forget to talk about what

1804
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,560
Speaker 1: just happened. But Purdue's running the Big Ten tournament. For

1805
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: a team that lost five games in a home of

1806
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: this year, it felt like multiple times Matt Painters team

1807
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: was going to go sideways, peaking at the right time.

1808
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 2: Well, I could tell you that I watched Michigan in person.

1809
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 2: I know you're big on them. Yeah, I'm just not there.

1810
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:31,759
Speaker 2: Let Y excel landing board. I mean, yeah, his girlfriend's

1811
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 2: good looking. Okay, tell you that much.

1812
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 3: Nice?

1813
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: Okay, that's just a little weird.

1814
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 3: Just okay, how old are you?

1815
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 2: Fifty one? I still look at creepy guy at the

1816
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 2: Big Ten tournament. But I will tell you this, Yeah,

1817
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: they lost at the buzzer or they wanted the buzzer. Yeah,

1818
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 2: the guy from Wisconsin lost his man, the best player

1819
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 2: on the court. Right, how do you lose the best

1820
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 2: player on the court hits a buzzer beater? I think

1821
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't think Michigan is as good as national champs.

1822
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 3: I just don't. Okay, no, I don't.

1823
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 2: I will say this though, the eight teams that I

1824
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 2: have in the Elite eight, yeah, I think they could

1825
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 2: all win the national title.

1826
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,719
Speaker 1: Right. You have Michigan in the final four, yeah, Virginia

1827
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: and the ELITEA yeah, okay, I.

1828
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: Think they can win it. I think a lot of teams.

1829
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 2: Don't talk about them. Gotta beat Iowa State, but I

1830
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 2: think all those teams can win it. You don't think

1831
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 2: Illinois and Florida could win it?

1832
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: Oh?

1833
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do?

1834
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I of course, Okay, maybe not Ucla.

1835
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 3: I don't think Ucla can win it. I do think

1836
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 3: they can win multiple games.

1837
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 4: In this year.

1838
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 3: Good.

1839
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 2: They probably couldn't beat Duke.

1840
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

1841
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: And for what it's worth, I just mentioned when UCLA

1842
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 1: played Michigan State of Ease Lansing.

1843
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 3: That wasn't close. That was a twenty four point game.

1844
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 2: You know who had the best record home record in

1845
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 2: the Big Ten this year? Give it to me Ucla.

1846
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 3: They did.

1847
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm thinking they lost. They lost to Indiana, I think

1848
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: at home game, double overtime. That was their one loss.

1849
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: As much as Mick talks about going to yeah.

1850
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 3: No, they today's teams got to come. They held serve

1851
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 3: at home.

1852
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, so, I mean they do.

1853
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 3: He never talks about that.

1854
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,799
Speaker 2: No Oly, how many times he seen the statue?

1855
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 4: That's it.

1856
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.

1857
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all you want to stuff about, which

1858
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 2: I get it, and it is hard. It is hard

1859
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 2: here at UCLA and you're going out there, but they

1860
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 2: you got to remember then the West team's got to

1861
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:12,679
Speaker 2: come out to the West.

1862
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: Coast, right Horizon League guy, right States in this field,

1863
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 1: do you give Right State a chance? Well, I mean,

1864
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 1: I know you have Virginia beating them, but the Right

1865
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 1: State team that I watched in the second half against NKA,

1866
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: you can make Virginia uncomfortable because.

1867
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 2: They can control the tempo of the game. Yes, I

1868
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 2: think that's two teams that can really control the tempo's game, right.

1869
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be a low scoring game, that's for sure,

1870
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 2: so writes they Obviously, you know, has to shorten a

1871
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 2: game and try to make it less possessions because if

1872
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 2: there's more possessions, I don't think they're gonna win.

1873
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 3: But I think Virginia wins that game. I think Santa

1874
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 3: Clair is going to be Kentucky.

1875
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 2: I got damn. I got TCU winning in South Florida.

1876
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,560
Speaker 1: Santa Clara has four guys who make forty percent of

1877
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: their threes. They're big and Kentucky. I've waited all year

1878
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: long for Kentucky to give me a reason to believe

1879
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: in them because I want to. It's fun when they're good,

1880
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: and they have talented players, and they they have dealt

1881
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: with a lot of injuries this year, But all year long,

1882
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: I've been I've been waiting to see them play well

1883
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: enough over an extended amount of time for me to

1884
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: feel confident in them come March.

1885
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 3: That never materialized.

1886
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 2: What's the X factor for Santa Clara? Who's the coach.

1887
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 3: It's herbs En Deck. Pretty good coach. I went to

1888
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 3: a herb Send Deck basketball game.

1889
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 2: Was Sean Miller there too? Because he was on that staff?

1890
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably was, so this this was nineteen ninety before.

1891
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 2: How about that staff?

1892
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 3: Awesome?

1893
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 2: It was Charlie Coles, it was Hearst and Deck, Sean Miller,

1894
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 2: and there was one more.

1895
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: I saw the picture like fifteen hundred, Yeah, wins among

1896
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: the I can't remember the other guy the quartet, and

1897
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go look that up.

1898
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 2: Wasn't Jermaine Henderson.

1899
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 3: I know that most definitely was that Jermaine. And I

1900
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 3: could I could assure you of that.

1901
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 2: When you said Santa Clair beat UK, you had Jared

1902
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 2: Moore looking up here at your ker knows.

1903
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 3: I feel that way. I mean I I you know

1904
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 3: right there again.

1905
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: All year long, I waited for Kentucky to play well

1906
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: enough over an extended amount of time to feel like

1907
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: that's team I can trust. In March and I felt

1908
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: like they had the big comeback against LSU, they had

1909
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: the huge comeback against Tennessee.

1910
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 3: I thought, all right, now they take off and it

1911
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 3: never really happened.

1912
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 2: How much more long do you think Mark Pope passed

1913
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 2: not I mean, I don't know. I just don't like,

1914
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 2: they don't give you much time. No in the blue Blood.

1915
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 3: Okay, so they made this sweet sixteen last year.

1916
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: If they get back there this year where if they

1917
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: lose today, that's interesting, Yeah, because hey, it's Kentucky. B

1918
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: it's a roster that's worth reportedly twenty to twenty two

1919
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: million dollars.

1920
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: So, and this is off to our script that you

1921
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 2: sent me last night.

1922
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 3: But I sent you a script last night. I know

1923
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:39,719
Speaker 3: you didn't.

1924
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 2: But if Mark Pope is not the coach, who would

1925
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 2: be somebody out there that could fill that void?

1926
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 3: That is an awesome question.

1927
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying, like, if you get rid

1928
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 2: of him.

1929
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 1: So, guy, if you would have asked me that question

1930
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: five years ago, I would have said Sean Miller because Caliperry, Guy,

1931
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: it felt like, you know, and this is coming out

1932
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: of the era that Sean was in at Arizona, where

1933
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: he got in trouble and now he could pay players,

1934
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: So who cares. I don't feel like that would necessarily work.

1935
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: And I don't know that Sean would want to leave Texas.

1936
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 3: I don't.

1937
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 1: It's a pressure cooker. There's no doubt about that. It

1938
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 1: always has been. But the resources are immense, and it's Kentucky.

1939
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't know who the next guy would be.

1940
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's not like a.

1941
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: Tree of guys, like a coaching tree. They used to

1942
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,679
Speaker 2: be there, they could come back, right.

1943
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: I would ask. I don't know that he and I

1944
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 1: like him a lot, and I think he squeezed a

1945
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: lot out of the team this year. Rick Potino's relationship

1946
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: with Kentucky has been repaired.

1947
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:42,879
Speaker 2: Can you imagine?

1948
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 3: Can you imagine?

1949
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: But like Richard did fine at New Mexico and did

1950
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: fine at Arizona, at Minnesota, and I think it's going

1951
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 1: to do good work at Xavier.

1952
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 2: Would that I don't know. He's number one? What's a

1953
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 2: better replacement than Mark Pope? You don't have that right now?

1954
01:22:59,160 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 3: Number two?

1955
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 2: And they have a good year at Xavier sow right, right,

1956
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 2: that's a tough set. But is that a reflection of

1957
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 2: him or just a best situation he went into its

1958
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: ad Yeah, it's a combination of all that. Yeah, I

1959
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 2: just don't think there's anyone in line. I think you

1960
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 2: got to stay with Mark Pope another year. But today

1961
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 2: if they lose that ams up a little bit more sure,

1962
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 2: So there is a lot pressure. And I know he

1963
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 2: didn't let his players talk to the media and all

1964
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. That that like, is that being

1965
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 2: more focused, trying to be more focused?

1966
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 3: I don't know, but in that job that is weird,

1967
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 3: Like I don't know. All right, rest your voice.

1968
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm waiting for this marathon.

1969
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Speaker 1: You're gonna marathon eight hour marathon starts in seventeen minutes.

1970
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is great. Mitchell and I are both getting

1971
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 3: ready for eight hour marathons.

1972
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 2: Mitchell's marathon does not consist of alcohol. What are you

1973
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 2: saying he does? I mean he drinks less than you.

1974
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 3: Why do you assume my marathon is going to involve.

1975
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 2: Alcohol and water? Maybe I'm gonna read, but maybe I'm

1976
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 2: watching basketball looking for an apple tree.

1977
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 3: I enjoyed an apple. I had two oranges too.

1978
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 2: You've changed. I don't even know who you are more.

1979
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,719
Speaker 2: I'm used to you having a beer and a cigar.

1980
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 2: You're on a water in an apple.

1981
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 3: I'm working, okay, I'm on the clock.

1982
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 1: In sixteen minutes, I will not be on the clock

1983
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 1: anymore and the marathon will start. And if you come

1984
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 1: down to the Holy Grail. You can you can see

1985
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 1: if you want to join me, and it'd be great.

1986
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 2: This is fifteen years we've been here.

1987
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: It has and then and then another marathon tomorrow and

1988
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: there's no show to do, so that marathon pike start

1989
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Speaker 1: before noon.

1990
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Speaker 3: All right, our guy.

1991
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Speaker 1: Shannon Minor, thank you as always here we'll preview since

1992
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 1: he three sixty when we come back on ESPN fifteen

1993
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Speaker 1: thirty Cincinnati Sports.

1994
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 2: Station Coors Life Presents to chill.

1995
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Speaker 1: It is twelve away from noon, and since he three sixty.

1996
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty. It's the cors Light Turney

1997
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 1: tip off. Here at the Holy Grail. No better place

1998
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 1: to watch college basketball, no better place to post up

1999
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: before or after a Reds game.

2000
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 3: Then here at the Holy Grail.

2001
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: Tony and Austin are standing by for Sincy three sixty

2002
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: over the next three hours and kind of our version

2003
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:13,799
Speaker 1: of quick hits where I get to ask.

2004
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Speaker 3: Them what they have coming up? Gentlemen? How are we

2005
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,640
Speaker 3: doing well? Something? All hi, mo fellas, how are we?

2006
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:19,799
Speaker 4: I'm wonderful.

2007
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 9: Another year of wondering why I do this to myself

2008
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 9: and not just take the day off.

2009
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 3: That's not it.

2010
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: One year, one year, you're gonna get stuck where I

2011
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: was last week watching the Bearcats are going to make

2012
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: the tournament again, I think in our lives, and it's

2013
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: gonna be a day game, and you guys, you will

2014
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: be must listen that day.

2015
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, it would probably not be well for a

2016
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Speaker 9: lot of the listeners or maybe the partnership we have

2017
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Speaker 9: here at iheartwit the University of Cincinnati or the FCC. Correct.

2018
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 3: So what do we have coming up this afternoon, Fellas

2019
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 3: oh Man?

2020
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 9: Obviously a lot on the NCAA tournament. What about the

2021
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 9: game last night with the Miami RedHawks.

2022
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 3: Awesome?

2023
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,560
Speaker 9: Not only so fun, not only like squeaking, but that

2024
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 9: was a dominant win and they did what they did

2025
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 9: so many times. They they stood a charge from SMU

2026
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 9: there in the second half. That was awesome. I think

2027
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 9: out of today's slate, there's actually some really interesting games

2028
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 9: while we're gonna be on the air. TCU Ohio State

2029
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 9: to kick things off is very intriguing. I think Troy

2030
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 9: is a dangerous matchup for Nebraska, and then everyone kind

2031
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 9: of looking at that South Florida Louisville game. So some

2032
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 9: good action while we're gonna be on the air, obviously,

2033
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 9: gonna talk a little bit of free agency in the

2034
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 9: nfl U an update for the Reds an update.

2035
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 3: Describe this free agency thing for me?

2036
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 6: What is that Tyson Anderson is a free agent and

2037
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 6: he signed with another team.

2038
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 9: We're gonna we're gonna figure out which former Bengal will

2039
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 9: hurt the Bengals coming up next year and if the

2040
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 9: Bengals will actually be able to formulate a depth chart

2041
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 9: in the secondary going into next year.

2042
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 3: Will Logan Wilson be the ruler of the Jungle the

2043
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 3: first home game?

2044
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,560
Speaker 6: Oh, first home game, I don't know. I don't know

2045
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 6: if it'll be him the first home game. That's a

2046
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,679
Speaker 6: great call, Brady. He will do it next year for sure.

2047
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 6: Brady Singer's got a blister as well. Yeah, a lot

2048
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 6: of blisters.

2049
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that.

2050
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: That dry Arizona heat, that Arizona air lends itself to

2051
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: to blisters. Did he report the blister to the team.

2052
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,560
Speaker 3: Wasn't gonna be like he might. He might be hiding it.

2053
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 6: He's gonna go to doctor Neil Latrosh and get an

2054
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,759
Speaker 6: opinion on a blister. He's also a blister experience.

2055
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 9: Matt McClain also won three for three, so one of

2056
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 9: those MVP odds. Looking like we'll talk about that as well.

2057
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 9: Also Charlie Charlie Goldsmith at one, Keegan Nikison at two,

2058
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 9: and Bob man Jean from the University of Cincinnati and

2059
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 9: Nova Carroll joined us as well today.

2060
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 3: Are you gonna talk to Keegan about the UC coaching search?

2061
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 9: No, but probably about indian Keegan likes to talk about

2062
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,799
Speaker 9: Indiana right now because they're fresh off in a national

2063
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 9: title and they also missed the NCAA tournament. Uh, we'll

2064
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 9: update our hot board for the coaching search for the

2065
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 9: University of Cincinnati. Meaning the one name that everyone has

2066
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:01,719
Speaker 9: only talked talking about him and much more.

2067
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: Jared Calhoun. Yeah, you know, all eyes on him for

2068
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: a lot of UC fans in the NCAA tournament. Here's

2069
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 1: what I here's my question for you. So Jared Calhoun

2070
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: wins his conference, has the conference player of the year,

2071
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 1: has a good team. Do you want him to bring

2072
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:20,719
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys with him to UC? Assuming

2073
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 1: he's the guy? Now fill your own roster. I think

2074
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: I think it's good to bring one or two that

2075
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 1: understand his system. But I know, no disrespect to to

2076
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: Utah State, who's a nine seed, and I would take

2077
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 1: that here in Cincinnati, But I think the Big twelve

2078
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 1: is a different animal, and I think you got to

2079
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: build a roster around that. I think it's going to

2080
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 1: be really interesting to see. And I was talking about

2081
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 1: this with Dan before, if he's able to get you know, players,

2082
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 1: and we're assuming it's going to be Jared because all

2083
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 1: signs are pointing to him being the guy. But I

2084
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: think it's going to be interesting to see if if

2085
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 1: they can get anybody to to stay here.

2086
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 9: You know, I who would you want? Charm Tillery?

2087
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 3: I want? I want Tillery Man Gisel, I don't know.

2088
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 9: I mean, if he figures out that you only get

2089
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 9: ten seconds to get across half court.

2090
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 3: I like Gisel.

2091
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: It led the team in scoring two years ago in

2092
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: the Big twelve, that's not insignificant.

2093
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 3: What role is he playing?

2094
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that's fair, right, Like, what what role?

2095
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 3: What role is he playing? I guess that would be

2096
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 3: my my first question.

2097
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 9: Who obviously you guys have I'm guessing that all the

2098
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 9: tournament slots have been filled up by people that have

2099
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 9: arrived at the Holy Grail by now.

2100
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, who got the best do you know

2101
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 1: do we know my brother in law Jess held up

2102
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: his team and it's Duke.

2103
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 9: Unbelievable, so unbelievable.

2104
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 3: He might be taking me to Tennessee to play golf

2105
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:50,679
Speaker 3: this summer.

2106
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 9: Now, since we're almost there, do you want to disclosed,

2107
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 9: Austin and I, who you have win in the whole thing?

2108
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 3: Sure? I have Michigan.

2109
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, I saw it yesterday, Michigan beaning Hill.

2110
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 1: I had Michigan beating Duke, a rematch of the nineteen

2111
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 1: ninety two and CAA tournament. Now, I'll say this part

2112
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: of my and I think we talked about this a

2113
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 1: little bit yesterday. A part of how I fill it

2114
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 1: out is I try to go against to I think

2115
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 1: everybody else is going to take right. So, like, the

2116
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 1: tournament feels like it's going to be really chalky. You

2117
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: watched a bunch of thirteens and fourteen's will will win.

2118
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: But I feel like when we look at the top

2119
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 1: seeded teams, more folks will pick Florida, Arizona or Duke

2120
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: than Michigan.

2121
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 3: So that's that's kind of my motivation.

2122
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: But I said this earlier, like I thought over the

2123
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: course of the season that that was the team that

2124
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: I was most impressed by most often. They have size,

2125
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: they have speed, their top ten in effective field goal

2126
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: percentage on defense and offense. They can clog the lane,

2127
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 1: they can lock down on defense. I just I don't

2128
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: think they have a ton of laws. Maybe turnovers a

2129
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 1: little bit. But I've got Michigan, how about you, guys.

2130
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was hard for me, and I think it's

2131
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 9: a little big twelve bias, but I thought the most

2132
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 9: complete team I watched from start to finish this year

2133
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 9: was Arizona. Their size inside can match anybody. Their guard

2134
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 9: play has been better. They can sit down and defend

2135
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 9: when they need when their shots aren't falling. I just

2136
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,679
Speaker 9: think they've been the most complete team. Duke's a little

2137
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 9: bit banged up, which makes me a little hesitant Florida.

2138
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 9: The way that Vanderbilt game played out, I don't know,

2139
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 9: but I like Arizona to come out of the West,

2140
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 9: and I like them winning it all.

2141
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 6: I hate to admit it, but I do think Michigan

2142
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 6: is the best team in the country. I think they'll

2143
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 6: go far. I have them losing in the National Championship

2144
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 6: game because I will never pick them, but I have

2145
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 6: them losing to Florida in the national Championship game and

2146
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 6: the Gators go back to back.

2147
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so the I picked Illinois to be Florida. I

2148
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: have I have three Big Ten teams in the final four, and.

2149
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 3: I know you respect. I know you finally respect the conference.

2150
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 6: Big Bruce Thorarton, guy, I'm sure you're gonna have your

2151
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 6: Scarlett and gray on rooting him on here in about

2152
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 6: fifteen twenty minutes.

2153
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 3: I'm excited for you. I hope.

2154
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 1: I you know, there's certain like if you're a college

2155
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: basketball fan, there's certain players that, over the course of

2156
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: their careers are drawn to the Ohio State had Evan Turner,

2157
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 1: who I just loved. Yea in that year where folks

2158
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: were debating Evan Turner versus John Wall. John Wall deserved

2159
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 1: to be the player of the Year, but Evan Turner

2160
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 1: was awesome. I like Bruce Thornton, and he's got some

2161
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: old man game to him. He can put a team

2162
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: on his back. I like guys who stuck around. I'm

2163
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: thrilled that he gets a chance to play in the tournament,

2164
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 1: and I hope, I hope he has a good game.

2165
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 3: I bet on.

2166
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 1: Ohio State don't come in two and a half points,

2167
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 1: so I hope Bruce and his team win by at

2168
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 1: least three.

2169
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 9: What's your first drink waiting for you right now? How

2170
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:46,719
Speaker 9: do you start? How do you starture?

2171
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 3: This is what it is? Well, I called Corus light

2172
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 3: of you. Okay, okay, all right, fellas, Thanks mo, Mo,

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