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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to a rainy Tuesday here on the Dano

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Speaker 1: Donald Show. We have got three jam packed hours for you.

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Speaker 1: The House voting four hundred twenty seven to one to

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Speaker 1: release the Epstein files and to push that bill onto

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Speaker 1: the Senate, where it is widely expected to pass.

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Speaker 2: President Trump has.

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Speaker 1: Done a sudden about face, and he is demanding the

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Speaker 1: release of the Epstein files as soon as is practicable.

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Speaker 1: Now that it has been released and revealed that Democrats

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Speaker 1: appear to have had far more ties to Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 1: than Trump did. One of them, Larry Summers, former Obama

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Speaker 1: and Biden administration and Clinton Administration economic head Honchos, as

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Speaker 1: well as the former president of Harvard, says today he

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Speaker 1: is stepping away from public commitments because of his ties

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Speaker 1: to the disgraced pedophile billionaire Epstein. This after Prince Andrew

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Speaker 1: was recently stripped of all his royal titles and all

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Speaker 1: of his royal duties by his older brother, King Charles

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Speaker 1: because of his ties to Jeffrey Epstein. We now know

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Speaker 1: that Jakim Jeffries, the head of Democrats in the House,

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Speaker 1: actually solicited donations from Epstein, and not just in one

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Speaker 1: of those random form emails that you get from the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration every five hours if you're on any one

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Speaker 1: of their email lists. This was a personalized call for donations. Also,

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Speaker 1: Stacey Plasquett, the delegate and non voting member of the

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Speaker 1: House of Representatives Democrat from Puerto Rico, was caught actually

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Speaker 1: texting Jeffrey Epstein during a hearing in which Democrats were

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Speaker 1: trying to grill Trump's then attorney Michael Cohen. So it

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Speaker 1: appears as though the walls are falling down on Democrats

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Speaker 1: with respect to Jeffrey Epstein, whom they spent well summer

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Speaker 1: attempting to tar and feather the president with. We will

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Speaker 1: get into that in the four o'clock hour in connection

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Speaker 1: with the daily Trump date, as well as all of

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Speaker 1: the discussion on the floor of the House today surrounding

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Speaker 1: the release of the Epstein files. Also a big vote

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Speaker 1: tomorrow coming up in Wisconsin's version of the House, the

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Speaker 1: State Assembly. It is not going to be a roll

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Speaker 1: call vote, however, as the Epstein files vote was in

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Speaker 1: Washington today, It's going to be a voice vote on

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Speaker 1: one of the more controversial pieces of legislation this year.

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Speaker 1: For the second time in ten months, Republicans in the

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Speaker 1: Assembly seem hell bent on giving cartel like control to

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Speaker 1: a favored group of supposedly independent businesses, this time in

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Speaker 1: the area of online sports betting. It's not about sports

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Speaker 1: betting or online sports betting per se. Sports gambling has

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Speaker 1: been legal in Wisconsin ever since and Supreme Court decision

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Speaker 1: Indian casinos. The issue is whether or not we want

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Speaker 1: to give cartel like power to the Native tribes to

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Speaker 1: essentially take sixty percent of the profits from organizations like

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Speaker 1: Draft Kings or Fan Duel who are doing all of

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Speaker 1: the work in providing sports gambling in the state. In

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Speaker 1: other words, do we really want to give even more

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Speaker 1: power and even more of a monopoly here? More accurately,

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Speaker 1: it is a cartel three supposedly independent businesses casinos run

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Speaker 1: by the Oneida, the Patauaami, and the ho Chunk, all

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Speaker 1: of which have sports betting and sports books inside their casinos.

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Speaker 1: They nonetheless are colluding with one another to maintain for

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Speaker 1: themselves a three headed monopoly of sports betting here in

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Speaker 1: the state. That is the dictionary definition of a cartel.

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Speaker 1: on in the show. I do want to get to this, however,

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Speaker 1: as I have wanted to discuss this in great depth

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Speaker 1: for some time time now. The absolutely moronic idea that

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Speaker 1: we can tear down I seven ninety four from the

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Speaker 1: a utopia, a walkable city spring up in its rubble.

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Speaker 1: This is something that the tear down every freeway crowd

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Speaker 1: has been lusting after four years, and in fact, the

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Speaker 1: Department of Transportation is currently choosing from four plans for

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Speaker 1: improvements that include reconfiguring on and off ramps and extending

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Speaker 1: Cass Street and Saint Paul Avenue. A fourth option would

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Speaker 1: make freeway repairs with no ramp changes. That to me

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Speaker 1: seems like the very best option. Absolutely tearing down seven

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Speaker 1: ninety four and replacing it with streets would cause an

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Speaker 1: absolute traffic nightmare. The partial removal, according to the DOT,

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Speaker 1: would free up sixteen acres for new development. Two other

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Just last week, the Wisconsin Commercial Realtors.

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Speaker 2: Association of Wisconsin put out.

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Speaker 1: A study about those four potential options, and they study

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Speaker 1: the economic impact of a full freeway removal on not

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Speaker 1: just the city of Milwaukee, but the entire region of

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Speaker 1: southeast Wisconsin, seven counties in total. They produce an estimated

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Speaker 1: one hundred sixty one billion dollars every single year in

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Speaker 1: goods and services. A hypothetical one percent reduction in the

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Speaker 1: movement of freight as a result of the removal of

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Speaker 1: the main freeway that connects pretty much the rest of

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Speaker 1: region's economic activity by about one hundred eighteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: every single year. A one percent slowed down in hiring

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Speaker 1: by businesses as a result of that slow down in

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Speaker 1: the movement of freight and the inability of people and

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Speaker 1: would reduce regional economic growth by an estimated four hundred

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Speaker 1: estimated annual loss in economic growth of four hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty million dollars every single year as a result of

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Speaker 1: tearing down this freeway. Now, why do you think that

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Speaker 1: it is such a disastrous impact economically to tear down

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Speaker 1: a reasonably small stretch of freeway. After all, as the

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Speaker 1: people who are hell bent on tearing it down will

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Speaker 1: tell you, we tore down the Park East Freeway and

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Speaker 1: look what's sprung up in its.

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Speaker 2: Rubble, in its ashes.

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Speaker 1: We have the Deer District, we have the Feiser Forum,

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Speaker 1: development that took quite some time to be realized. Don't

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Speaker 1: forget it was roughly sixteen years between the time the

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Speaker 1: Bucks were able to purchase the land for the Deer

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Speaker 1: for a dollar. That was the reason there was so

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Speaker 1: much economic activity. I had nothing to do with the

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Speaker 1: fact that a portion of the freeway was gone. It

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Speaker 1: that can go in there. Now people are saying that, well, naturally,

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Speaker 1: since the Park East shut down would be a comparable

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Speaker 1: would have nothing but similar economic development. Well, here's sort

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Speaker 1: of the problem. The Park East Freeway did not accommodate a.

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Speaker 2: Whole lot of traffic.

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Speaker 1: Approximately, according to the Wisconsin Department of Transportation, twenty six

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Speaker 1: point nine seven million vehicles use I seven ninety four

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Speaker 1: every year. That is about seventy four thousand every day.

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Speaker 1: That is adding an additional seventy four thousand vehicles onto

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Speaker 1: city streets. And not all vehicles are created equally. These

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Speaker 1: aren't just people passing through using a little used portion

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Speaker 1: of freeways. The Park East Corridor was that was an

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Speaker 1: encircle downtown Milwaukee with freeways, but that plan was never

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Speaker 1: fully realized. The stretch of freeway also was not a

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Speaker 1: now as a result of the fact that the Park

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Speaker 1: is estimated that between twice as many and three times

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Speaker 1: as who use the Park East Freeway at.

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Speaker 2: The time that it was torn down.

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Speaker 1: Not only that, the cost of tearing down the Park

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Speaker 1: East Freeway was about forty five million dollars, and that's

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Speaker 1: early two thousands dollars, so we actually hear at the

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Speaker 1: Dan O'Donnell show adjusted that for inflation, that would now

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Speaker 1: be eighty million bucks give or take. The total upfront

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Speaker 1: cost to demolish the Park East Freeway. The cost to

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Speaker 1: demolish seven ninety four at minimum three hundred million dollars. Now,

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Speaker 1: how long does it typically take to tear down a

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Speaker 1: stretch of freeway, Well, the Park East Freeway, which remember

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Speaker 1: didn't really have a whole lot there that would need

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Speaker 2: We could probably.

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Speaker 1: Assume since I seven ninety four sits far higher up

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Speaker 1: in the sky. It would take quite a bit longer

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Speaker 1: directly impacted. Essentially, Downtown would be cut in half for years.

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Speaker 1: That would create a traffic nightmare. And what happens every

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Speaker 1: single year when we get roughly one hundred thousand people

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Speaker 1: down to the lakefront for Summerfest for three weekends a year,

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Speaker 1: the City of Milwaukee adds a substantial number of people

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Speaker 1: exact area where we would want to turn it into

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Speaker 1: a quasi permanent construction zone because we're stupidly tearing down

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Speaker 1: a stretch of freeway. This is why Summerfest's CEO, or

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Speaker 1: rather the CEO of Milwaukee World Festival, has already come

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Speaker 1: out and said, look.

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Speaker 2: This really, really really doesn't work for us. It's not

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Speaker 2: just summer.

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Speaker 1: You also have the ethnic festivals downtown, and downtown, especially

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Speaker 1: in the summertime, is a very fun place to be.

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Speaker 1: For years, it would be largely inaccessible because of the

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Speaker 1: construction zone surrounding the freeway teardown. Even when the freeway

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Speaker 1: is torn down and the roads are built, you would

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Speaker 1: have so many more trucks moving through downtown Milwaukee that

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Speaker 1: traffic would be so congested that it would barely move.

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Speaker 1: The biggest reason of all to keep I seven ninety

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Speaker 1: four as it is, repair it, and keep it with

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Speaker 1: its same basic footprint is that this is the main

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Speaker 1: road in and out of the Port of Milwaukee. The

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Speaker 1: Port of Milwaukee does billions of dollars worth of freight.

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Speaker 1: This means that a whole lot of trucks have to

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Speaker 1: the people in that seven county Milwaukee metro area. Once again,

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Speaker 1: You're up first on the Dan O'donald's show. Welcome to it, Dave.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic, my friend? What's going on?

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Speaker 3: All right? I got two points. The first point is this,

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Speaker 1: You know this, Dave, thank you very much for the call.

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Speaker 1: Has always been the thing that I have always wondered.

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Speaker 1: Why is it that you can't just develop the land

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for the call. Dave, really do

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Speaker 1: Why can't you put I get it there? You know

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Speaker 1: pong tables? No, it's a at pickleball courts. They do

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Speaker 1: They do have parking for the public market down there.

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot that you could do, so I

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Speaker 1: understand that. What I don't understand is how there is

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Speaker 1: This is about industry. Democrats are constantly talking about how

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Speaker 1: What is Chevy always talking about Project one million or

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Speaker 5: Hi, Dan, thank you for taking my call. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 5: agreeing with you. And I'm wondering how leaders like Tom's

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Speaker 5: Why leaders just don't see what you guys aren't even

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Speaker 5: that they should be seen. And one other point, speaking

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Speaker 5: the last about a year living near Brady Street, and

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely my pleasure, Jeff. Really do appreciate you listening

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Speaker 1: putting it, Jeff, is is not you you build more

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Speaker 1: You need industry coming in, and it's not going to

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Speaker 1: need an attractive tax climate. You need an attractive physical climate,

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Speaker 1: which unfortunately Milwaukee does not have.

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Speaker 2: You need a downtown area.

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Speaker 1: Where people feel safe, where there's the ability for them

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Speaker 1: order for them to do that, they need to feel

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Speaker 1: It's not that at all. It's that people who were

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Speaker 1: This is just basic human nature. The idea that a

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Speaker 2: That's not going to change.

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Speaker 1: If there is really true demand for real estate downtown,

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Speaker 1: you keep expanding outwards. Do you realize also, the city

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee in the nineteen sixties was the tenth biggest city

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee needs to compete as it is, and one of

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Speaker 1: seems acidin to me. But we will take more of

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Speaker 1: your phone call. There got to be somebody arguing in

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Speaker 2: Next.

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Speaker 1: Got a text on the adventnows dot com talk and

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Speaker 1: text line Dan the bigger streets after I seven ninety

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Speaker 2: Bigger street takeovers.

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Speaker 1: Got to think of it. That very very funny text.

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Speaker 2: Who is in Milwaukee. You're up next. Welcome to the program, Jen.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Dan. I have worked under the home bridge for

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Speaker 6: about fifteen years now, and every time I hear about this,

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Speaker 6: not know what's under the home bridge on the other

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Speaker 6: side of the river.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they do.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like just one day I send a video

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Speaker 6: to the text line about it. Saw it the lines

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Speaker 6: of semis is just the salt semis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But by the way, what she is talking about

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Speaker 1: is Jones Island, the sewage facility. Do we want sewage

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Speaker 1: trucks and all of that going to city streets?

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Speaker 2: It just these people have no idea.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the video you sent, Jen, I actually

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Speaker 1: texted back because I was watching it during the commercial break.

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Speaker 2: That was just one random afternoon.

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Speaker 1: There were dozens of trucks back and forth, back and forth.

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Speaker 1: Those are going to be going through the heart of

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Speaker 1: downtown Milwaukee if I seven ninety four or.

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Speaker 2: Bayview.

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Speaker 6: And with the salt and everything, it's not just that

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Speaker 6: the trucks are fold they're all over the place everything.

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Speaker 6: It also comes out of the trucks onto the roadways

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Speaker 6: and it destroys the roadways. And the salt actually eroded

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Speaker 6: the undercarriage of my car so bad we couldn't even

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Speaker 6: put it up on blocks to fix it because of

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Speaker 6: the frame would break. So this is just one person,

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Speaker 6: imagine it happening to an entire city.

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Speaker 1: That's an excellent point, Jen. I'm so glad you brought

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Speaker 1: that up. Thank you so much. For the call. Texter says,

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Speaker 1: as I was sort of lamenting before we went to break,

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Speaker 1: there isn't there anyone who is going to call in

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Speaker 1: and defend tearing down Ice seven ninety four. I thought

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Speaker 1: there would be at least a couple of people who say, oh,

468
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Speaker 1: this could be great urban renewal, that this could be like,

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Speaker 1: this is one of those issues. What I always do,

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Speaker 1: folks and I talk about the skill of argument, how

471
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Speaker 1: you practice argument. The number one best thing you can do,

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Speaker 1: by far, is to fully understand your opponent's best arguments.

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Speaker 1: We have a tendency to create what are known as

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Speaker 1: straw men. We create for ourselves our version of our

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Speaker 1: opponent's argument and then defeat that instead of their actual argument. Well,

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Speaker 1: I actually went through and read as much as I could.

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Speaker 1: There were a couple of pieces on urban Milwaukee dot

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Speaker 1: com arguing in favor of tearing down Ice seven ninety four.

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Speaker 1: One that just came out before this study showing it

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Speaker 1: would cost about half a billion dollars in annual economic

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Speaker 1: growth that would be stunted because we would tear down

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Speaker 1: the main artery into and out of our port. The

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Speaker 1: argument was essentially, well, the stretch of freeway only handles

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Speaker 1: seventy six thousand vehicles per day.

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Speaker 2: And I said, huh, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Let's extrapolate that over a year, it's about twenty five

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Speaker 1: million vehicles, and seventy six thousand per day is a

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Speaker 1: ton when you consider the fact that think about the

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Speaker 1: last time you went down I seven ninety four, you

490
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Speaker 1: probably never even paid attention. I just want you to think, then,

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Speaker 1: maybe more generally, the last time you went into or

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Speaker 1: out of downtown Milwaukee, how many of the vehicles that

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Speaker 1: you were driving by were trucks?

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Speaker 2: Just count them?

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Speaker 1: Now, imagine an outsized percentage of the vehicles going into

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Speaker 1: the port and out of the port via I seven

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Speaker 1: ninety four are trucks. Now, I want you to imagine

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Speaker 1: seventy thousand of those every single day. Or let's let's

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Speaker 1: make a realistic estimate. Let's say it's thirty thousand out

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Speaker 1: of the seventy six thousand vehicles every single day they

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Speaker 1: travel ICE seven ninety four are trucks. Let's say we

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Speaker 1: now have an additional thirty thousand trucks on Milwaukee streets

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Speaker 1: every single day. What do you think that is going

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Speaker 1: to do to traffic? And it's not as though we

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Speaker 1: say we want to tear down Ice seven ninety four,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it's just magically gone,

507
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Speaker 1: like we have a magic wand and it just disappears.

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Speaker 1: There are years and years and years of construction. I

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Speaker 1: can remember a bridge on right off of North Avenue.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember this? It took them Producer Eric, you

511
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Speaker 1: probably remember this. What street was that? Where there were

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Speaker 1: actually restaurants on the bridge, and it took them about

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Speaker 1: six years to repair the thing, and every single business

514
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Speaker 1: that was on or near that bridge went under. It

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Speaker 1: was just off of North Avenue. Yeah, right over the river,

516
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Speaker 1: not Holton that might have been in any event. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was right over the Milwaukee River and there were

518
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Speaker 1: there were several restaurants, every single number of them sued

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Speaker 1: because it took so long to tear down that bridge

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Speaker 1: or to repair that bridge. Rather, what do you think

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Speaker 1: is going to happen when government tries to tear down

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Speaker 1: a massive high rise stretch of freeway. I believe we

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Speaker 1: have time for one more call. Let's go to our

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Speaker 1: friend Scott in Saint Francis. Scott final thought is yours

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Speaker 1: here on the Dan O'Donnell show.

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Speaker 4: Oh, and I'll tell you this. First thing I want

527
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Speaker 4: to say is I've listened to from day one when

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Speaker 4: you're on the Early Show. I listened to Mark Billing

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Speaker 4: from day one. I'm a rush baby, okay, okay, I'm

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Speaker 4: sixty two. I graduated a Baybew High scho in eighty one.

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Speaker 4: That would be the worst thing you can do, you

532
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Speaker 4: know me. People depend on this, you know, from Covey,

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Speaker 4: South Milwaukee to go to work. I jump on that

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Speaker 4: seven nine, you know, to go up to visit my

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Speaker 4: sister Napleton stuff Jones Island's another thing.

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Speaker 2: What the hell that?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that isn't actually Scott in San Francis. I

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Speaker 1: apologize we pushed it on.

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Speaker 4: But who is I've never called you before?

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Speaker 2: Oh you haven't. Okay, Well what's your name? No?

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Speaker 4: No, no, nope, I've listened here from day one when

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Speaker 4: you were on the Early Show.

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Speaker 2: That's very kind.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sorry I didn't I didn't catch your name.

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Speaker 2: I want to be formally introduced.

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Speaker 4: No Scott from us Saint Francis.

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Speaker 2: Oh you are Scott.

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Speaker 1: From Saint Francis. You are a different Scott from Saint Francis.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, we have to Scott's from st.

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Speaker 4: I listen to your show all the time.

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Speaker 2: Oh excellent.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we have another Scott in Saint Francis who is

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Speaker 1: still on hold. Wild Man, Hey, I appreciate you, Scott,

554
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for the phone call.

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Speaker 2: Do appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to leave it there, however,

557
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Speaker 1: as we are going to bring you the unhinged Liberal

558
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Speaker 1: of the day when the Dan o'donald's show returns. Did

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00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: Democrats get more than they bargained for with a House

560
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: vote today to release the Epstein files. It sure's starting

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Speaker 1: to seem like it. We'll get into that in the

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Speaker 1: four o'clock hour plus. The Republicans who control the State

563
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: Assembly are hell bent on creating cartel like control over

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Speaker 1: online sports gambling, but the second time this year they're

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Speaker 1: trying to pass through cartel power.

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Speaker 2: On a voice vote.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that ahead of that vote tomorrow. Before

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Speaker 1: we do, though, time now for the unhinged liberal of

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Speaker 1: the day. We are in pre Nazi Germany.

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Speaker 2: Prefer dangerous because he's evil.

571
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Speaker 3: America.

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Speaker 1: Today's unhinged Liberal of the day is an as of

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Speaker 1: now unidentified Purdue University Northwest professor who walked by a

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Speaker 1: turning point USA meeting on campus and began screaming at students,

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Speaker 1: calling them fascists. Well, one of the students started recording

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Speaker 1: as the turning point folks invited this unhinged professor in

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Speaker 1: to explain what it was she meant by fascists.

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Speaker 7: Do you want to know?

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you if you guys want to know.

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Speaker 8: Do you have a society?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you have a situation where where you want

582
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Speaker 1: to go into classrooms and you want to tell faculty

583
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Speaker 1: that they're not allowed to speak the truth about the

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Speaker 1: history of this country.

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Speaker 2: You want them to be what's worthlessly employees are involuntary workers.

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Speaker 7: We can't even say sleevening to the teachers students, and

587
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Speaker 7: the students want to decide what history is.

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00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 8: No, we know what history is.

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Speaker 7: Actually, Yeah, did you know that all of our founding

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Speaker 7: fathers were actually Christian and this country was formed on

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Speaker 7: Christian values?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You could hear her start to shriek there. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: she did know that, but didn't want to admit that.

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Speaker 1: I would start updating your resume, prof that professor from

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Speaker 1: Purdue University Northwestern, you're unhinged liberal of the day, Obviously,

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Speaker 1: This is a significant debate in southeast Wisconsin what to

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Speaker 1: do with I seven ninety four. I would at least

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Speaker 1: be open to a compromise in maybe two taking out

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Speaker 1: one or two of the seven ninety four exits and

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Speaker 1: diverting all traffic all the way down to the lake.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of it to open up

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Speaker 1: some development, because I do recognize how valuable that land

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Speaker 1: would be. But the idea that we simply tear down

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Speaker 1: the main artery to Jones Island, to the Port of Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: to Summerfest, to handling millions and millions and millions of

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Speaker 1: vehicles every single year, and pretend that all of that traffic,

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Speaker 1: especially the truck traffic, the heavy freight traffic, can just

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Speaker 1: be seamlessly moved onto city streets, while not accounting for

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Speaker 1: the fact that it would take years to tear down

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Speaker 1: and then rebuild surface streets. By the way, the bridge

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Speaker 1: I was thinking of was on Humboldt. The Humboldt Street

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Speaker 1: Bridge near North Avenue shut down. This must have been

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Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen years ago, and there were restaurants.

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Speaker 2: There was a at.

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Speaker 1: An Indian restaurant. It was Middle Eastern Indian food somewhere.

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Speaker 1: I lived near there at the time. This was before

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Speaker 1: my oldest was born, so I guess it would have

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Speaker 1: been more than.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: And the bridge, it was right on the bridge. There

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Speaker 1: were a number of restaurants, three or four right on

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Speaker 1: the restaurant right on the bridge. Yes, Producer Eric, what's

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Speaker 1: that by thinks bar?

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Speaker 2: Yep?

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Speaker 1: Yep, there was the taco bar. Yep, yep, exactly. Producer

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Speaker 1: Eric is the man about town. He remembers this just

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Speaker 1: as well, a bit better than I do. Every single

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Speaker 1: business failed everyone because it took government so long to

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Speaker 1: repair a bridge. The bridge was shut down for years,

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Speaker 1: and obviously those businesses couldn't reopen. None of them ever reopened.

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Speaker 1: I believe there was a lawsuit filed against the city

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Speaker 1: that ultimately was dismissed because they couldn't prove that it

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Speaker 1: was unnecess saraily long that the city was taking to

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Speaker 1: fix this bridge. How long do we think it would

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Speaker 1: take to tear down not just a stretch of freeway,

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Speaker 1: but a stretch of freeway that is what eight ten

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Speaker 1: stories in the air. How long do you think that takes?

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Speaker 1: Do you think you just sort of get a wrecking

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Speaker 1: ball in there and knock it down. This is a

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Speaker 1: massive project, and they're talking about tearing down one stretch

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Speaker 1: of freeway as we are widening another. Now, I will

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Speaker 1: admit that widening I ninety four was something that probably

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Speaker 1: needed to happen. The city of Milwaukee and the Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: metro area has simply outgrown the what is it, three

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Speaker 1: lanes of highway in between downtown and the Zoo Interchange.

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Speaker 1: There's too much traffic if you are even if it's

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Speaker 1: not rush hour, if you are attempting to go into

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Speaker 1: or head out of downtown Milwaukee, especially going into downtown

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee almost at any time of.

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Speaker 2: Day or night.

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Speaker 1: Last time I was heading into downtown was last weekend.

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Speaker 1: It was this past weekend. I was taking a college

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Speaker 1: visit with my son and we were stuck in traffic

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Speaker 1: on a Saturday morning. So I understand the need to

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Speaker 1: expand I ninety four. But at the same time we're

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Speaker 1: doing that, we're saying, Okay, all of those trucks who

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Speaker 1: are going down I ninety four to the Port of Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: We're just going to force them onto city streets. We're

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Speaker 1: going to force them to exit the freeway instead of

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Speaker 1: having a straight shot down to seven ninety four, and

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Speaker 1: we think that all of those trucks that would need

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Speaker 1: to stop at stop lights getting off of the freeway,

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Speaker 1: we don't think that that is going to back up traffic. Okay,

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Speaker 1: obviously we will be talking about this as the DOT

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Speaker 1: is expected to decide in twenty twenty seven what exactly

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Speaker 1: It never ceases to amaze me the disdain that so

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Speaker 1: many modern leftists have for cars, whether it's hey, we

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Speaker 1: can get everybody using a streetcar system cidy. Milwaukee got

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Speaker 1: rid of its streetcar in the nineteen fifties. Why because

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Speaker 1: people then realized that as the individually owned automobile was

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Speaker 1: gaining in popularity, far fewer people would have a need

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Speaker 1: for fixed rail transportation.

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Speaker 2: We still have a big need.

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Speaker 1: For mass transportation, but doesn't it make a whole lot

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Speaker 1: more sense to use buses? And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: as we get into autonomous driving technology, we are going

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Speaker 1: to be able to run buses for far cheaper. By

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Speaker 1: the way, if you are a truck driver, if you

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Speaker 1: are a bus driver, if you are an uber driver,

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Speaker 1: you are probably going to be in the first wave

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Speaker 1: of jobs that artificial intelligence kind of comes for because

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Speaker 1: the second that fully autonomous driverless vehicles like Waimo, I said,

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Speaker 1: I was recently in Austin, Texas. We were intentionally taking

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Speaker 1: ubers even when we didn't have to, just so on

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Speaker 1: the off chance that we would get a driverless WAYMO.

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Speaker 1: I have so wanted to be in a driverless car,

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Speaker 1: I have said. I've made no bones about the fact

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Speaker 1: that when we have fully autonomous driving, meaning you can

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Speaker 1: going on your phone, I'm doing it. I'm done driving.

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Speaker 1: I want a machine to drive me around. I know

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who disagree with that.

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Speaker 1: I am going to be the earliest of early adopters.

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Speaker 1: I'm already just sort of prone to being distracted while driving.

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Speaker 1: As you can imagine, my phone buzzes nearly constantly. I

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Speaker 1: must get I don't even know how many texts in

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Speaker 1: a given day, emails in the hundreds. I want to

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Speaker 1: be able to answer those. I want to be able

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Speaker 1: to get work done. And you know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: even though I have a very short commute, but we

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Speaker 1: figured that being able to change routes with public transportation

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Speaker 1: based on the number of people who were going on

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Speaker 1: said routes was a good thing. Fixed rail doesn't give

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Speaker 1: us the opportunity to do that. So what do we

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Speaker 1: do in twenty fifteen twenty fixed rails making a comeback.

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Speaker 1: These are the exact same people who want to tear

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Speaker 1: the precipice of a major breakthrough with respect to cars.

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Speaker 1: What's going to happen? Okay, let's say I've got the

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Speaker 1: fully driverless vehicle and I'm sitting here at the radio station.

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Speaker 1: I usually get in at about noon. I'm doing a

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Speaker 1: ton of work at home. Let's say I usually work

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Speaker 1: for boy. I've been getting up at about five thirty

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Speaker 1: six am and getting right to work and getting a

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Speaker 1: bunch of stuff for the show ready. And I don't

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Speaker 1: need my car until sometimes I have to take my

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Speaker 1: daughter to school at eight am. What happens if I

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Speaker 1: send my car out to pick up people using Uber if? I,

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Speaker 1: in other words, am an Uber driver, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: an Uber driver. People are just using my car to

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Speaker 1: get from point A to point B. Car automatically goes

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Speaker 1: to refuel itself. That's extra income for me in these

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Speaker 1: several hours, I'm not using my car. The people who

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Speaker 1: are tearing down freeways and wanting to go back to

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Speaker 1: fixed rail systems love to think of themselves as progressive,

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Speaker 1: but they are ignoring and what the future of transportation

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Speaker 1: actually is. I happen to believe we are going to

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Speaker 1: cut down on emissions because you are going to see

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Speaker 1: far more ride sharing. Like that, when somebody is sitting

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Speaker 1: at an office for eight hours, you authorize your car

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Speaker 1: to go out and make uber trips, fill itself up

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Speaker 1: with gas, and collect fees on your behalf. Does that

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Speaker 1: not make a ton of sense? Far more buses going

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Speaker 1: from point A to point B when we no longer

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Speaker 1: need human beings.

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Speaker 2: To drive them.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, We're going to get

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Speaker 1: actually into a little more talking about the future with

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Speaker 1: respect to the strain on the energy grid. Governor evers

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Speaker 1: psc Public Service Commission announcing today that there is going

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Speaker 1: to be a three hundred million dollar fee increase on

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Speaker 1: two of the three major utilities. Oh don't worry, We

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Speaker 1: energies got hit with five hundred and fifty million dollars

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Speaker 1: in fee increases that were approved by the Public Service

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Speaker 1: Commission last year for a two year period that ends

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Speaker 1: at the end of twenty twenty six. Today it was

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Speaker 1: three hundred and four point seven million dollars for Alliant

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Speaker 1: Energy and Excel Energy. We'll get into that in the

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Speaker 1: five o'clock hour. We are also going to dive into

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Speaker 1: the proposed voice vote tomorrow on the online sports betting bill.

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Speaker 1: Right now, though, it is time for your daily Trump Day.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna win so much you may even get tired

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Speaker 7: of winning.

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Speaker 2: Trump just keeps waiting. It is a win for the administration.

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Speaker 5: It's also a big win for the United States.

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Speaker 2: We have to keep winning. We have to win more.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna win more.

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Speaker 1: The House of Representatives voting four hundred twenty seven to

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Speaker 1: one to release the Epstein files after President Trump on

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Speaker 1: Air Force one said he supported releasing them, and then

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Speaker 1: he said that again in a truth social video over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. The bill now heads towards the United States Senate,

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Speaker 1: which is also expected to pass it. President Trump expected

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Speaker 1: to sign it into law. The president today hosting the

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Speaker 1: Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman, who pledged

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Speaker 1: a trillion dollars in investment in the United States up

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Speaker 1: from the initial pledge of six hundred million during the

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Speaker 1: president's historic visit to the Middle East this spring.

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Speaker 9: You know, when you invest attridion dollars, that's national security

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Speaker 9: for US too, because it creates jobs, It creates a

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Speaker 9: lot of things. And I would say, Scott, right, when

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Speaker 9: you hear one country's putting a treation dollars into the

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Speaker 9: United States, that creates national security. And you know, I

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Speaker 9: think that they don't have to say that, But I

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Speaker 9: think a big part of that is also the fact

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Speaker 9: that tariffs are in play. But even beyond tariffs, that's

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Speaker 9: a real ally that we'll do that creates a lot

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Speaker 9: of power for the United States.

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Speaker 1: Now, ultimately the goal here is to get Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 1: to sign on to the Abraham Accords, which is a

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Speaker 1: series of agreements between Middle Eastern Arab states and Israel

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Speaker 1: negotiated by the first Trump administration to normalize relations between

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Speaker 1: those countries and the world's lone Jewish state. Ben Solman

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Speaker 1: seemed to signal that he would be open to signing

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Speaker 1: on to the Abraham Accords, something that was supposedly very

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Speaker 1: close at the tail end of the first Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: but of course was derailed by Biden winning the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty election.

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Speaker 9: Now, I don't want to use the word commitment, but

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Speaker 9: we've had a very good talk on the Abraham Accords.

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Speaker 9: We talked about one state, two state. You know, we

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Speaker 9: talked about a lot of things in a short period

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Speaker 9: of time. We'll be discussing and further too. But I

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Speaker 9: think you have a very good feeling toward the Abraham acurds.

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Speaker 2: Just living times of president. We want peaceful the Israelis,

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Speaker 2: we want peaceful to Pedestinians, we want them to coll exist,

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Speaker 2: peaceful in the region, and we will do all this

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Speaker 2: to to Ritadi.

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Speaker 1: The President also answered questions on a number of different

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Speaker 1: topics and lost his cool at an ABC News reporter

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Speaker 1: who asked about what else the release of.

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Speaker 2: The Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that coming up in the next segment

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Speaker 1: here on the Dan O'Donnell Show, but the President said

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Speaker 1: it was a productive meeting with the Crown Prince of

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. The President also deflected a question about the

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Speaker 1: Saudi government's role in the murder of Washington Post journalist

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Speaker 1: Jamal Koshogi years ago, saying that it was not the

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Speaker 1: place the president did to make his guest feel uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: about that. Rapper Nicki Minaj today thanked President Trump for

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Speaker 1: his work on calling attention to and putting pressure on

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Speaker 1: the Nigerian government for its role in allowing the wholesale

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Speaker 1: slaughter of Nigerian Christians in the country.

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Speaker 10: I would like to thank President Trump for prioritizing this

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Speaker 10: issue and for his leadership on the global stage and

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Speaker 10: calling for urgent action to defend Christians in Nigeria, to

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Speaker 10: combat extremism and to bring a stop to violence against

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Speaker 10: those who simply want to exercise their natural right to

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Speaker 10: freedom of religion or belief.

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Speaker 1: So, out of all the things I did not expect

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Speaker 1: to happen in twenty twenty five, Nicki Minaj becoming allies

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Speaker 1: with President Trump was probably up there.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: That is your daily Trump date here on the Dan

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Speaker 1: o'donald Show. Now, what have Democrats leveled in terms of

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Speaker 1: an accusation against Trump since January sixth, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: They actually indicted him over this. They have made this

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Speaker 1: essentially the centerpiece of of all of their arguments against

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Speaker 1: Trump ever since that he incited an insurrection on January sixth,

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Speaker 1: that he was calling for his people to overturn the government,

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Speaker 1: to overturn the results of the election, and to overthrow

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Speaker 1: the duly elected Biden government. He did no such thing,

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Speaker 1: of course, he said, we will now peaceably march to

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Speaker 1: the Capitol to make our voices heard. This is why

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Speaker 1: Trump is suing the BBC, because they actually spliced together

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Speaker 1: two totally different parts of his speech to make it

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Speaker 1: seem like he was encouraging people to go to the

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Speaker 1: Capitol and be violent.

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Speaker 2: What is an.

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Speaker 1: Actual insurrection, an actual rebellion against the United States of America. Well,

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Speaker 1: what we were told since January sixth is that, well,

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Speaker 1: all of the troglodite, idiot red hat wearing MAGA people

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Speaker 1: who showed up at the Capitol, they couldn't possibly overthrow

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Speaker 1: the government because the government has all the guns.

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Speaker 2: They have the military, right, right.

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Speaker 1: Well, what happens when Democrats actively call on members of

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Speaker 1: the military to directly disobey their commander in chief and

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Speaker 1: to essentially pit him against them. A group of military

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Speaker 1: veteran elected Democrats today released this video in which they

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Speaker 1: state their names, their ranks, and call on members of

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Speaker 1: the military to actually stage an insurrection against the president

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Speaker 1: of the United States.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen.

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Speaker 8: I'm Senator Alissa Thockin, Senator Mark Kelly, Representative Chris S.

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Speaker 4: Deluzio good Land.

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Speaker 2: You're Representative Christy Hulahan.

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Speaker 8: Congressman Jason Crowe. I was a captain in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Navy, former CIA officer, former Navy, former paratrooper and Army ranger,

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Speaker 1: former intelligence officer, former Air Force.

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Speaker 8: We want to speak directly to members of the military.

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Speaker 11: And the intelligence community to take risks each day keep

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Speaker 11: Americans safe.

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Speaker 2: We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now.

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Speaker 2: Americans trust their military, but that trust.

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Speaker 1: Is at risk.

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Speaker 8: This administration is pitting our uniform military and intelligence community

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Speaker 8: professionals against American citizens like us. You all swore an oath.

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Speaker 6: To protect and defend this constitution.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the threats to our constitution aren't just coming

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Speaker 1: from abroad, but from right here at home.

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Speaker 8: Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.

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Speaker 2: You can refuse illegal orders.

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Speaker 1: You must refuse illegal orders.

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Speaker 2: No one has to carry out orders that violate the

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Speaker 2: law or our constitution.

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Speaker 8: We know this is hard and that it's a difficult

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Speaker 8: time to be a public servant.

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Speaker 2: But whether you're serving in the CIA, the Army or

881
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Speaker 2: Navy Air Force.

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Speaker 8: Your vigilance is critical, and know that we have your back,

883
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Speaker 8: because now more than ever, the American people need you.

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Speaker 2: We need you to stand up for our laws, our.

885
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Speaker 8: Constitution, and who we are as Americans. Don't give up.

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Speaker 2: Don't give up.

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Speaker 8: Don't give up, don't give up the ship.

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Speaker 1: Uh wait, they were saying Trump is a threat to

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Speaker 1: the constitution.

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Speaker 2: They must disobey him.

891
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Speaker 1: And that those Democrat legislators have their back if they do.

892
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Speaker 2: What they're supposed to do.

893
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Speaker 1: Refuse unconstitutional orders, which are what exactly, Please tell me

894
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Speaker 1: one unconstitutional or unlawful order this president has given at

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Speaker 1: any point in this second term.

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Speaker 2: Just one.

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Speaker 1: That sounds mighty in sorectiony to me. You're appealing to

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Speaker 1: members of the military to do what you can to

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Speaker 1: undermine and fight back against the man who you say

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Speaker 1: is the biggest internal threat to the constitution. And you're

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Speaker 1: making an appeal directly to members of the military and

902
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Speaker 1: the intelligence community. Okay, we dive into the Epstein files

903
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Speaker 1: and why this is backfiring big time on Democrats next, Well,

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Speaker 1: Democrats demanded it, They got it. President Trump is now

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Speaker 1: fully on board with the release of the Epstein files,

906
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Speaker 1: and as a result, in a vote today, every single

907
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Speaker 1: Republican voted for their release. The vote four hundred and

908
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Speaker 1: twenty seven to one in favor. The Senate will now

909
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Speaker 1: need to also sign on to this. And President Trump though,

910
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: is making it very clear what he feels about this,

911
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Speaker 1: that this is a distraction, that this is essentially a

912
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Speaker 1: hoax by Democrats where they are attempting to distract from

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Speaker 1: the real issues facing this country, namely affordability and things

914
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Speaker 1: along those lines. And when President Trump was hosting Saudi

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Speaker 1: Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman today, he was asked by

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Speaker 1: ABC News's Mary Bruce about the Epstein files, and well,

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Speaker 1: he snapped.

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Speaker 9: Out a matter one week for Congress to release the

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Speaker 9: Epstein files.

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Speaker 2: Why not just do it now?

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Speaker 9: Now, It's not the question that I mind. It's your attitude.

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Speaker 9: I think you are a terrible reporter. It's the way

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Speaker 9: you ask these questions. You start off with a man

924
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Speaker 9: who's highly respected asking him a horrible, insubordinate and just

925
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Speaker 9: a terrible question. And you could even ask the same

926
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Speaker 9: exact question nicely. You're all psyched. Somebody psyches you over

927
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Speaker 9: at ABC. You're gonna psych it you're a terrible person

928
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Speaker 9: and a terrible reporter. As far as the Epstein Files is,

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Speaker 9: I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. I threw

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Speaker 9: him out of my club many years ago because I

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Speaker 9: thought it was a sick pervert. But I guess I

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Speaker 9: would turn out to be right. But you know who

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Speaker 9: does have? Bill Gletton. Larry Summers, who ran Harvard, was

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Speaker 9: with him every single night, every single weekend. They lived together.

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Speaker 9: They went to his island many times. I never did

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Speaker 9: Andrew Weisman here. All these guys were friends of his.

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Speaker 9: You don't even talk about those people. You just keep

938
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Speaker 9: going on the Epstein files. And what the Epstein is

939
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Speaker 9: is a Democrat hoax to try and get me not

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Speaker 9: to be able to talk about the twenty one trillion

941
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Speaker 9: dollars that I talked about today. It's a hoax.

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Speaker 1: Twenty one trillion dollars the amount invested four dollars into

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Speaker 1: the United States since President Trump took office. He is

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Speaker 1: undoubtedly correct, and I can prove it. Democrats had total

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Speaker 1: control over Congress. They had the presidency for two years,

946
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Speaker 1: and Republicans during that time, even if they couldn't get

947
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: all of their Democrat members of both Senate and House

948
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Speaker 1: caucuses to vote for the release of the Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: Republicans would have joined them. Even after Republicans took control

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Speaker 1: of the House in twenty twenty two by a very

951
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: slim margin, they would have voted to release the Epstein files.

952
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Speaker 1: You did not hear a single Democrat talking about Jeffrey

953
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Speaker 1: Epstein from the time he committed suicide in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: until exactly the Sunday after the fourth of July of

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Speaker 1: this year, when Pambondi, the Attorney General, just made all

956
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Speaker 1: of MAGA furious by not releasing everything, by waiting until

957
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Speaker 1: Sunday after a holiday, long holiday weekend to announce that,

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Speaker 1: oh hey, by the way, we've released everything. We're going

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01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: to release thank you very much, and we'll see you soon.

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01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: At that point, Democrats made a concerted effort that Trump

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Speaker 1: was hiding something, that they were going to tie Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein to Donald Trump. There was, of course no tie,

963
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Speaker 1: but they decided they were going to run with this

964
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: narrative anyway. Do yourself a favor. Look through the tweets

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Speaker 1: of any Democrat member of Congress, Mark Pocan, Gwen Moore,

966
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Speaker 1: Tammy Baldwin, any of them search in the ex search

967
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: bar for their tweets and just search the word Epstein.

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Speaker 1: I will bet you it does not come up until

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01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: early to mid July of this year. The only time

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01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: Democrats would talk about Jeffrey Epstein was shortly after his suicide,

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Speaker 1: when the phrase Epstein didn't kill himself was widely mocked

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Speaker 1: as part of a conservative conspiracy theory that somehow Jeffrey

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01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: Epstein was protecting all of the world's secret liberal billionaires

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Speaker 1: who were going to his island for ritual sex with

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01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: young girls. They were mocking this idea. Not only that

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01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: emails that Democrats on the House Oversight Committee themselves released

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Speaker 1: just a couple of days ago, timed, of course, to

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Speaker 1: take the focus away from the government reopening following the

979
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: forty three day federal shutdown. Weird to know, isn't it

980
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: weird how nobody is talking about anything having to do

981
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: with the shutdown. It's so weird how they just all

982
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: get to the next topic. It's weird how the media

983
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: just totally moves on to the next narrative and we

984
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: never hear the past narratives again.

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Speaker 2: Well, now we're on Jeffrey Epstein again.

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Speaker 1: Democrats actually went so far as to redact the name

987
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: of a victim in an email between Jelaine Maxwell and

988
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: Epstein himself, in which it was referenced that this particular

989
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: victim spent a lot of time with Donald Trump. Nobody

990
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: had ever redacted that victim's name before, because she was

991
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: the most vocal and public of all the Epstein victims,

992
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: Virginia Jiuffrey. Her name was redacted because she has said

993
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: for years in depositions and in interviews before her untimely

994
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: suicide that she never saw Donald Trump do anything inappropriate. Ever,

995
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: not only that Trump never had a relationship with Jeffrey

996
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: Epstein after about two thousand and four or two thousand

997
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: and five, when he did indeed ban Epstein from Mara Lago.

998
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: Only it wasn't, as he said, because he thought Epstein

999
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: was a pervert. It appears to stem from a dispute

1000
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: over a real estate deal. The two people, Epstein and

1001
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: Trump were competing over the same property, and there was

1002
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: some hard feelings over the fact that Epstein got.

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Speaker 2: In any event.

1004
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: In any event, what we learned after the release of

1005
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: a handful of emails that Democrats selectively leaked Well House oversight,

1006
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: Republicans then released thousands of emails, and what those revealed

1007
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: is that Democrats had a far deeper tie to Jeffrey

1008
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: Epstein than Donald Trump ever did, including Jakim Jeffrey's House

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01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: Minority leader. Here's Oversight Committee Chairman James kOhm today on

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01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: the floor of the House.

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Speaker 7: Another email shows Democrat fundraisers invited Epstein to an event

1012
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 7: or to meet privately with the Keem Jeffries as part

1013
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 7: of their twenty thirteen effort to win a majority. So

1014
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 7: Hakeem Jeffries campaign solicited money from Jeffrey Epstein. That's what

1015
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 7: we found in the last document batch. The files underscore

1016
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 7: why former President Trump must appear for his deposition. We've

1017
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 7: subpoened him. To date, the Democrats have done nothing to

1018
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 7: help us secure his appearance. I support full transparency. The

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01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 7: Oversight Committee will continue to work to get the truth

1020
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 7: to the American people and to get justice for the victims.

1021
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 7: That's our goal of this investigation.

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Speaker 2: With that, you'll buck.

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01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the goal for Democrats is most certainly not truth.

1024
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: If it was, they would be focused on the fact

1025
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: that the biggest scandal that appears to be arising from

1026
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: this latest batch of Epstein emails actually involves a Democrat

1027
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: delegate to Congress from Puerto Rico. We will get into

1028
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: that as well as Epstein literally colluding with the media

1029
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: to try to get Trump. You're listening to the Dan

1030
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: o'donald show. In twenty nineteen, US Virgin Islands Delegate Stacey Plasca.

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Speaker 1: I know, I said she was from Puerto Rico before

1032
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: misspoke there. She is the non voting delegate from the

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01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: US Virgin Islands.

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Speaker 4: She was.

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Speaker 1: Delegates, by the way, are still able to take part

1036
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: in hearings and that sort of thing.

1037
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 2: They're just not allowed to vote.

1038
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: She was in twenty nineteen grilling Michael Cohen in an

1039
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 1: investigation into Donald Trump.

1040
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 2: Guess who she was texting?

1041
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: Washington Post video from that very hearing shows her asking

1042
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: a question that was proposed by none other than Jeffrey Epstein.

1043
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: Not only that, a pair of New York Times journalists

1044
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: were emailing Epstein saying that a US attorney's investigation was

1045
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: beginning to close in on him. That, by the way,

1046
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: was the very investigation that ultimately led to his arrest

1047
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: in New York. That was immediately followed by his suicide

1048
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: by hanging in his jail cell in New York City.

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Speaker 1: Not only that you have a very prominent journalist, Michael Wolfe,

1050
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: very liberal, very prone to incredible dishonesty, especially when it

1051
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: comes to Trump, who is emailing back and forth with

1052
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: Epstein on how to quote use the relationship with Trump

1053
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: against him.

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Speaker 2: In other words, members.

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Speaker 1: Of the liberal media were serving as Jeffrey Epstein's lookouts

1056
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: as the law was closing in on him, and they

1057
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: were colluding with him, not only in open hearings, as

1058
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: in the case of Stacy Plaskett, but behind closed doors

1059
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Speaker 1: with a supposedly objective member of the media in Michael Wolfe,

1060
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: was literally looking to dig up dirt on Trump by

1061
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: befriending and forming a partnership with one of the most

1062
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:36,560
Speaker 1: notorious sex traffickers this century. On the floor of the

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Speaker 1: House today, Jim Jordan, who is always fantastic in these

1064
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: sorts of hearings and these sorts of floor speeches, outlined

1065
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: just how dirty it was that Democrats redacted the name

1066
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: of epstein victim Virginia Giuffrey in an email they selectively

1067
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: leaked to the press last week.

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Speaker 11: Think about what the Democrats did last week. The Democrats

1069
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 11: released an email that the Oversight Committee had obtained from

1070
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Speaker 11: the estate an email from.

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01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 8: Mister Epstein to miss Maxwell.

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Speaker 11: When the Democrats released it, they redacted the victim's name,

1073
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 11: something we all support, something everyone supports, except except in

1074
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 11: this case, no court had ordered that name redacted, no

1075
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Speaker 11: agency had redacted it, and the estate didn't redact it.

1076
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 11: And the victim had already went public. So why black

1077
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 11: out her name? Why black out her name? Because she

1078
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 11: had said in her book and had testified underwrote that

1079
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 11: she never saw any wrongdoing by President Trump. So think

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Speaker 11: about what they did in an email between two criminals,

1081
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 11: mister Epstein and miss Maxwell, and an email between two criminals,

1082
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Speaker 11: they hide the name of an individual who had went

1083
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 11: public and hads gonerted the president and we know what

1084
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 11: to distort and twist the message because they thought it

1085
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Speaker 11: might harm the president.

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Speaker 1: That just goes to show that these people will stoop

1087
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: to no depth. There is no depth too low for

1088
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: them to steep to stoop. I I'm almost speechless and

1089
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: just how dastardly that is they wanted to. They released

1090
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Speaker 1: an email between Epstein and Julne Maxwell. They're talking about

1091
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Speaker 1: Virginia Geffray. But if people realize that they're talking about

1092
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Speaker 1: Virginia Giuffrey and Donald Trump. Well, people will say, well,

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Speaker 1: Giffrey has already said she said multiple times Trump did

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong. We can't have that, So they blacked out

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Speaker 1: her name so people would think it was some other

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Speaker 1: Epstein victim, the implication being that Donald Trump was with

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Speaker 1: her for an extended period of time and that he

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Speaker 1: had sex with her, that he did something untoward with her.

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Speaker 1: They have never been able to provide a single shred

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Speaker 1: of evidence that Trump did anything untoward with anybody in

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Speaker 1: the presence of Jeffrey Epstein or anyone else for that matter,

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Speaker 1: not one during the Biden administration. You might recall, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's personal tax returns were leaked to the Rachel Maddow

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Speaker 1: Show on MSNBC Now MS Now, you don't think the FBI,

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Speaker 1: which concocted an entire Russia collusion narrative out of thin

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Speaker 1: air to try to take down the first Trump presidency,

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Speaker 1: would not have if they had concrete evidence that Trump

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Speaker 1: were Even if they were able to make the inference

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Speaker 1: that Trump was having sex with underage prostitutes at the

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Speaker 1: behest of or provided by Jeffrey Epstein, you think they

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Speaker 1: would have concocted bogus charges in twenty twenty three. You

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Speaker 1: really think they would have criminalized non criminal behavior where

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Speaker 1: the veracity of the charges themselves was actually in question.

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Speaker 1: You really think they would have kept that information secret.

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Speaker 1: Tax returns are supposed to be the thing that are

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Speaker 1: about as private as it gets. It includes your Social

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Speaker 1: Security number, It includes your income, it includes your charitableity,

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Speaker 1: it includes every personal detail about you. It is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be as secret as secret gets.

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Speaker 2: It got leaked.

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Speaker 1: You're telling me that incriminating evidence of Donald Trump with

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Speaker 1: under age prostitutes for four years just sort of sat

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Speaker 1: unused by the most vicious partisans who have ever run

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Speaker 1: America's Justice department.

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Speaker 2: That defies belief.

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Speaker 1: We name the unsung hero of the day when the

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Speaker 1: Dan o'donnald Show returns, so no one can tell how

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Speaker 1: they're going to vote tomorrow on a bill that would

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Speaker 1: give cartel like power to the Oneida, the ho Chunk,

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Speaker 1: and the Potawattomy tribes over online.

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Speaker 2: Sports betting in the state.

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Speaker 1: We will dive into that, plus another round of rate

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Speaker 1: hikes from PSC and Governor Ebers how left wing green

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Speaker 1: policy is costing Wisconsinites when they can least afford it

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Speaker 1: before we get into that.

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Speaker 2: Though.

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Speaker 1: Here on the Dan o'donald Show, we like to highlight

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Speaker 1: people in our community who are doing exceptional things. It

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Speaker 1: is timed out to name today's unsung Hero of the day.

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Speaker 1: Today's Unsung Hero of the Day is Aidan Levy. He

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Speaker 1: is a fourteen year old boy who has autism and apraxia,

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Speaker 1: a neurological condition that affects a person's ability to plan

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Speaker 1: and coordinate movements. It can make it difficult for him

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Speaker 1: to smile on cue for a picture, for instance, or

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Speaker 1: write with a pen. It also means that his brain

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Speaker 1: knows what he wants to say, but he cannot speak.

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Speaker 1: That written by Aiden's father, Piet Levy, who is the

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's longtime music critic. With a lot of

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Speaker 1: time and patience, p It writes, he has been able

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Speaker 1: to learn to communicate by slowly pointing to one letter

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Speaker 1: at a time on a letter board to spell out

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Speaker 1: his thoughts. It's something he's been working on since he

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Speaker 1: was six years old. For years, I couldn't express my

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Speaker 1: feelings with words, but I had so many feelings inside

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Speaker 1: of me. Aiden spelled recently. It was one of several

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Speaker 1: spelled out insights Aiden offered for this story that all

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Speaker 1: combined took him about an hour or two to complete.

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Speaker 1: What was the story about well, Aiden, who is nonverbal,

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Speaker 1: is now a radio host on the Beatles Channel on

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Speaker 1: Serious XM satellite radio. He uses this ability to be

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Speaker 1: able to type out what he wants to say through

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Speaker 1: voice to text technology or text to voice technology, and

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Speaker 1: that is broadcast over the radio. When he started being

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Speaker 1: able to communicate, Piet and his wife and the rest

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Speaker 1: of the family realized that he loved Paul McCartney and

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Speaker 1: the Beatles, so they listened to the Beatles channel on

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Speaker 1: Sirius XM religiously. One segment we heard Pierre wrote was

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Speaker 1: my Fab four, where people talk about four of their

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Speaker 1: favorite Beatles songs. I asked Aiden if he'd like to

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Speaker 1: send in a submission for My Fab four. His eyes

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Speaker 1: lit up. He spent days working on his song choices

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Speaker 1: in late twenty twenty three. But in late twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: Lou Simon, the vice president of music Programming at SIRIUSXSEM,

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Speaker 1: emailed me asking for a zoom meeting. He loved that

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Speaker 1: Aiden had a unique perspective to share as a young

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Speaker 1: Beatles fan, and as a non speaker, but Lou didn't

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Speaker 1: want to air Aiden's Fab four segment. Instead, he wondered

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Speaker 1: if Aiden wanted to host his own show. We were

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Speaker 1: in our living room when I broke the news. Mia

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Speaker 1: and Ava screamed. Aiden spun around in excitement. Christie's face

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Speaker 1: filled with pride. A wave of gratitude washed over me.

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Speaker 1: Aiden's years of hard work were paying off. He was

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Speaker 1: being heard, His advocacy dreams were coming true, and in

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Speaker 1: the coolest way possible. He now co hosts with another autistic,

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Speaker 1: non verbal Beatles fan, a monthly show on the Beatles

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Speaker 1: Channel on Sirius XM satellite radio. What an incredible inspirational story,

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Speaker 1: Aiden Levy, your unsung hero of the Dad. The Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: Assembly set to vote tomorrow on a bill that would

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Speaker 1: effectively give cartel like control over online sports betting to

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Speaker 1: the three Native American tribes who currently have sports books

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Speaker 1: at their casinos in Wisconsin, the Oneida, the Potawatomy, and

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Speaker 1: the ho Chunk. Is this something that would violate Wisconsin's

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Speaker 1: constitution as well as state law, would violate the Fourteenth

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Speaker 1: Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. The Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: Institute for law and Liberty is arguing that it does,

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Speaker 1: but legislators have been getting intense lobbying from the tribes

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Speaker 1: and their attorneys, with memos put out right before tomorrow's

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Speaker 1: vote saying no, all of this is perfectly lawful. The

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Speaker 1: better question, however, is whether or not this is good

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Speaker 1: policy and this is good politics. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Dan o'donald Show, five o'clock hour. If you'd like to

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Speaker 1: join us four one, four, seven, nine to nine eleven

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Speaker 1: thirty or one eight hundred and eight three eight, nine,

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Speaker 1: four seven six emaildod at iHeartMedia dot com at dano'donaldshow,

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Speaker 1: on Exfacebook dot com, slash dano'donald's show as well Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Two YouTube podcasts iHeartRadio wherever you get your podcasts, we

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Speaker 1: are everywhere. Do I need to go through a brief history,

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Speaker 1: A very brief history of gambling in Wisconsin. The short

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Speaker 1: version is this, we were supposed to have slots and

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Speaker 1: bingo only. In two thousand and two, the tribes gave

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Speaker 1: tons of money to Jim Doyle, who was at the

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Speaker 1: time Attorney general and running for governor. He amended the

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Speaker 1: state's gaming compacts. They were allowed to have table games,

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Speaker 1: casino style games, slots, roulette, blackjack, poker, all of it.

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Speaker 1: And this was at the time where I'm not going to,

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Speaker 1: you know, say that this was a bad idea. I

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Speaker 1: am not, by any means a gambling absolutist. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I go to Las Vegas once a year. I went

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Speaker 1: to Pottawatomie a couple of months ago. I like playing blackjack,

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Speaker 1: I like playing Rouletto, play video poker. I'm not really

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Speaker 1: much of a gambler, but I do have fun doing it.

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Speaker 1: I do, however, realize that it can be, like anything

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Speaker 1: in excess, incredibly damaging. It can wipe out family fortunes,

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Speaker 1: it can hurt the people who are most financially vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not someone who says, ah, we shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: gambling in any form. And when table games were allowed

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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, this sort of coincided with a national loosening

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Speaker 1: of our morality when it came to gambling, So it

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Speaker 1: was perfectly fine. The issue was that Jim Doyle in

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Speaker 1: early two thousand and three, one of the very first

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Speaker 1: things he did in office as governor was to change

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Speaker 1: the gaming compacts so that they now run in perpetuity.

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Speaker 1: There was no chance for the state to ever renegotiate them.

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Speaker 1: This got litigated by the Supreme Court twice, a liberal

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court the second time around, saying Yep, no problem here,

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Speaker 1: Diamond Jim was able to screw the state forever. It's

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Speaker 1: not the tribe's fault. In fact, I have nothing against

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Speaker 1: the Native tribes, and in fact, I think they do

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Speaker 1: a great job with their casinos. I think Pottawotomy is

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Speaker 1: a fantastic The sports book that they just put in

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Speaker 1: is absolutely gorgeous. I believe it's the second biggest in

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Speaker 1: the country. Ho Chunk I haven't been there for a while.

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Speaker 1: We go to the dells often. Sometimes the adults will

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Speaker 1: be able to sneak away at ho Chunk. I always

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Speaker 1: have a good time there. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: Native Americans are the fastest growing segment of conservative Republican voters,

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Speaker 1: So we love our Native American members of Dan Nation.

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Speaker 1: The issue that I have is that Jim Oil and

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Speaker 1: Democrats long ago sold out this state to special interest

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Speaker 1: money that just happened to be coming in from the

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Speaker 1: Native tribes.

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Speaker 2: I don't blame them for.

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Speaker 1: Doing so, just as I don't blame the utility companies

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Speaker 1: for over the past couple of years, spending millions and

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Speaker 1: millions and millions and millions of dollars so that we

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Speaker 1: would pass right of first refusal legislation and give them

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Speaker 1: cartel like power of monopoly shared by several companies who

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Speaker 1: agreed to stay out of each other's territory. That is

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Speaker 1: the definition of a cartel. This would be a government

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Speaker 1: backed cartel on electrical transmission line construction and maintenance, power

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Speaker 1: plant construction and maintenance through right of first refusal. That

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Speaker 1: bill died because of widespread public outrage. I don't get

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Speaker 1: the sense that there is widespread public outrage here. The

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Speaker 1: general sense is that people want online sports betting in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: The issue that I have is not that at sixty

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Speaker 1: percent of all of the profits of online sports betting

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Speaker 1: would have to go through the tribes, because you would

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Speaker 1: have to put the server that handles, say, the fandual

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Speaker 1: Apps action in Wisconsin, on the physical grounds of a

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Speaker 1: native casino through something known as the hub and spoke

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Speaker 1: model of gambling. The server is the hub. The phones

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Speaker 1: that connect to the server and actually place the bets

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Speaker 1: are spokes. This is essentially the model that was legalized

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Speaker 1: by a court in Florida that Wisconsin would adopt. I

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Speaker 1: understand exactly what the tribes are doing, and I have

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Speaker 1: no loyalty to DraftKings or FanDuel. I could not possibly

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Speaker 1: care less who makes the money off of online sports betting.

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Speaker 2: What I do have a massive problem with.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I have no problem with online

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Speaker 1: sports betting being legal in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: I truly don't. I have no moral objection to it.

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Speaker 1: What I do have an objection to is Republicans in

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Speaker 1: the Assembly planning a voice vote, just as they were

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01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 1: planning to do on write a first refusal so that

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Speaker 1: people like me couldn't after the vote was concluded, just

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Speaker 1: read off a list of all of the people who

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Speaker 1: voted for the bill and all of the people who

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Speaker 1: voted against the bill. This is the height of cowardice

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Speaker 1: if you're going to vote for it. And this is

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01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 1: almost certainly going to pass tomorrow. Apparently leadership was touting

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Speaker 1: the fact that they had at least fifty votes. Every

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Speaker 1: Democrat is going to vote for this because they've been

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Speaker 1: in the pocket of special interests since the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the Democrat Party. Now Republicans want that sweet, sweet special

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Speaker 1: interest money of their own ahead of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six legislative elections, and they don't want you to be

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Speaker 1: able to figure out how they voted on one of

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Speaker 1: the more controversial pieces of legislation this year, another piece

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Speaker 1: of legislation, coincidentally enough, that would give a government backed

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Speaker 1: cartel power to control online sports betting. It just seems

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Speaker 1: to me to be bad policy to essentially create a

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Speaker 1: monopoly of a tiny handful of organizations, and it's bad

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Speaker 1: politics to hide how it is that you're voting on

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01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 1: this piece of legislation behind a voice vote where nobody

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01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: can tell who's yelling I and who's yelling nay. But

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01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 1: that's sort of the point, because they don't want accountability

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01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 1: to the people. They don't want accountability to somebody like me,

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01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: who will seriously sit. If it takes me an hour

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01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: tomorrow afternoon, I will read how everybody is going to vote.

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01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: And again, I was morally opposed to the idea of

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01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 1: write a first refusal going down. I thought creating a monopoly,

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01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: saying no other company could ever pop simply come in

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01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: and do electrical transmission in what is going to be

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01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: a massive, multi, multi, multi billion dollar business enterprise. The

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01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: tribes already have a shared monopoly on gambling, and thanks

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01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: to Jim Doyle, we're never getting around that. So that's

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01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: something Wisconsin is going to have to live with. But

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01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: at least you owe it to your constituents, Republicans, to

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01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: let them know how you're voting and to explain your vote.

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01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 1: I or nay, put your name on the line, say

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01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:40,799
Speaker 1: how you voted. Explain to the people why you voted

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01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: the way you did. And if you want the cartel

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01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:48,879
Speaker 1: that already exists. We already have a cartel for gambling

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01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. If you want that to extend to online

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01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: sports gambling, then just say so.

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01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 2: Say so.

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Speaker 1: Frankly, I don't think this legislation is necessary. I think

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01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: the Republicans in the legislature should get some concessions out

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01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 1: of the tribes for it, like say, dropping their opposition

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01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: to the hard rock Kenosha casino, which is something that's

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01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: probably not going to happen. But this is something I'm

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01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: sorry I can't get on board with. And if they're

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01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: going to take the cowards way out of a voice vote,

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01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: you'd better believe I'm going to continue to try to

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01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: hold them accountable. Coming up next, massive rate increases on

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01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 1: the way on utility bills. You're listening to the Dan

1337
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 1: o'donald show. It is the Dan o'donald's Show. It's remarkable

1338
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: how quickly we went from about the most summer like

1339
01:27:55,560 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 1: fall of all time to fall winter hitting with the vengeance.

1340
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: Although I was sort of hoping that all the rain

1341
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: we got today would come down as snow. Yes, yes,

1342
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: I know, I know nobody wants to shovel it, but

1343
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: as I always say, I can tolerate snow right up

1344
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: until the end of the holiday season, and then I

1345
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: wish at about January third it would go back to

1346
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 1: seventy five degrees and gorgeous. But of course we live

1347
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, and with the cold comes a whole lot

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01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 1: of cost to heat homes, and of course with it

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01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: comes the semi annual massive rate increases for utility payers. Today,

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01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 1: the Public Service Commission of Wisconsin or PSC, which is

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01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 1: a quasi independent board that's appointed by Governor Evers, It

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01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:50,839
Speaker 1: approved a combined three hundred four point five million dollars

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01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 1: in increases for rate payers in electrical and natural gas

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01:28:55,400 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 1: rates for two utilities, Alliant Energy and Excel Energy. Now,

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01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: this follows a two year rate increase for we Energies,

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01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 1: which primarily serves southeast Wisconsin, of five hundred and fifty

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01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 1: million dollars in late twenty twenty four. The rate increases

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01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 1: approved today for Alliant and Excel will be paid as

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01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: the rate increases by we Energies customers last year over

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01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 1: the next two years, so this will be going through

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01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty seven. Governor Evers, who has

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01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: been in office since January of twenty twenty nine, has

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01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:42,759
Speaker 1: now greenlit more than two billion dollars in combined electric

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01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: and national natural gas rate increases across the spectrum of

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01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 1: energy providers we Energies, Alliant, Excel, Wisconsin Public Service, and

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01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 1: the like. Two billion dollars approved by the Governor through

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01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: his PSC Public Service Commission. Now, in case you're wondering

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01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 1: how this compares, because now we've got a pretty good

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01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:11,799
Speaker 1: base of comparison to the Scott Walker era of twenty

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01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: eleven through twenty nineteen. Governor Evers has been in office

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01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 1: for seven years. Thankfully, he will retire at the end

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01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,759
Speaker 1: of his term next year. Here is hoping someone even

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01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:26,639
Speaker 1: crazier and more to the left than him won't take over,

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01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 1: but you can compare the seven year term to Walkers.

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01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: It is estimated that under the eight years Governor Walker

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01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: effectively controlled the Public Service Commission, there are about one

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01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: billion to one point five billion dollars in total rate

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01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: increases borne by utility payers one to one point five

1379
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: billion dollars in eight years Governor Walker was in office.

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01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: Under Governor Evers, we've had seven years and his PSC

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01:30:56,040 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: has approved two billion dollars in rate increases. The average

1382
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:06,599
Speaker 1: annual increase under Governor Walker was about three to five percent.

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01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: Compare that to Governor Evers seven to eleven percent, and

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01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: that actually kind of directly correlates with the average impact

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01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: on the monthly bill, how much more you're going to

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01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: pay for utilities in a given month. The average impact

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01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 1: of Governor Walker's rate increases topped out at about six

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01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: dollars per bill, six dollars per month per rate pay

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01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: or per home whatever. Compare that to Governor Evers ten

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01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:43,799
Speaker 1: dollars per month. We have seen eleven percent to twenty

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01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: percent spikes over two year periods pretty routinely over the

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01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:54,640
Speaker 1: last seven years of Governor Evers, whereas Governor Walker's increases

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01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 1: were far steadier at about three percent five percent every

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01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 1: cup of years. Now, what is the single biggest reason,

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01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: the single biggest driver of all of these rate increases.

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01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: Why is it that Governor Evers has had so many

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01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: more rate increases and we have had such a massive

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01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 1: cumulative effect of rate increases under Governor Evers. Well, there

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01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: are two big drivers. One of them is inflation. One

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01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,640
Speaker 1: of them is just the fact that everything costs a

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01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: lot more than it did right before Joe Biden took

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01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 1: office in January of twenty twenty one.

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01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 2: Utility rates are right in there.

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01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 1: It is no surprise that a federal government that declares

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01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 1: war on domestic energy production would also preside over some

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01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: of the biggest use of energy rate increases in the

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01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: history of this country. I mean, it's just a logical

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01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: proposition that as you increase the costs that we're paying it,

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01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 1: as you make it more difficult to get domestic energy,

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01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 1: as as you make it more difficult to refine oil,

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01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: to first get it out of the ground than to

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01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 1: refine it, than to get it to the endpoint customers,

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01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: whether it's these utilities, whether it's individual people at the

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01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: gas pump, whatever it is, when you make that more

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01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: difficult to do through regulatory red tape and increased cost

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01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 1: of exploration drilling. When you're refusing to issue any new

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01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:36,799
Speaker 1: oil or natural gas leases, as the Biden administration pretty

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01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 1: much did for a four year stretch, then you'd better

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01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 1: believe that those costs are ultimately going to be passed

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01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 1: along to consumers.

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01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,639
Speaker 2: So that is a big factor.

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01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 1: But the single biggest factor, accounting for between forty and

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01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: forty five percent of the two billion dollars in rate

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01:33:56,439 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 1: increases that Governor Evers psc has foisted upon all of

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01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: us here in Wisconsin, is his clean energy agenda directly

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01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: tied to an executive order way back in August of

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01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Executive Order Number thirty eight, setting a target

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01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 1: of one hundred percent carbon free electricity by twenty twenty. Now,

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01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 1: this established the Office of Sustainability and Clean Energy within

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01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:36,719
Speaker 1: the Department of Administration, and in twenty twenty two, Governor

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01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 1: Evers followed that up with his Clean Energy Plan. Now,

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01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 1: these were mostly aspirational, both of these executive orders. It

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01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: wasn't hard and fast mandates because obviously that would be

1434
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 1: something that you would need the legislature to sign off on.

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01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 1: And pretty clearly Robin Voss and Devin Lemahue were not

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01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: going to do that before that, Scott fitz Gerald when

1437
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 1: he was running the State Center, they were just never

1438
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: going to sign off on hard and fast deadlines. These

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01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 1: were sort of aspirational things like, oh, yes, we're going

1440
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:10,520
Speaker 1: to be totally green.

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01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 2: By twenty fifty.

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01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 1: The problem, though, is that this Office of Sustainability and

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01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:20,480
Speaker 1: Clean Energy was doing things to make it more difficult

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01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 1: for utilities to keep doing what they were doing. And

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01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 1: in fact, in twenty twenty four last year, when we

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01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 1: Energies said that they were going to need rates, this

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01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 1: is a rate increases.

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01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,719
Speaker 2: This is a direct quote.

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01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: They need to invest in clean energy, green technology in

1450
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:47,640
Speaker 1: order to comply with Governor Evers's executive orders and to

1451
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 1: keep them on pace for fitting his Pie in the

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01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 1: Sky twenty fifty agenda. We Energies quote, these investments are

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01:35:56,200 --> 01:36:00,440
Speaker 1: necessary to achieve the state of Wisconsin's clean Energy of jettives,

1454
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 1: including Executive Order Number thirty eight and the Clean Energy Plan.

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01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: How about this in its filing Alliant Energy earlier this year, quote,

1456
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 1: solar additions are driven by Wisconsin's clean energy policies and

1457
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 1: customer demand for carbon free resources. This is adding since

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01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen about six hundred to eight hundred million dollars

1459
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 1: in the cost of doing business, which is then passed

1460
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 1: along to ratepayers. So we are paying six hundred and

1461
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 1: eight hundred million dollars more than we were in twenty

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01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 1: nineteen because of Governor Evers green energy agenda. Average residential

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01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 1: electricity bills since twenty nineteen have gone up by as

1464
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 1: much as eleven percent because Governor Evers immediately embarked on

1465
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 1: this aggressive agenda of trying to bully energy providers into

1466
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,639
Speaker 1: going green as quickly as possible. And while there were

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01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: no hard and fast mandates, the clear regulatory posture of

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01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 1: the Evers administration is you had better do what we

1469
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 1: say or you're going to find yourself in a world

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01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 1: of trouble. Well, we Energy is an alliance and Excel

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01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:24,759
Speaker 1: they had no choice but to comply. This is costing

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01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 1: them a whole lot of money, and in order to

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01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: stay in business, in order to stay afloat, in order

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01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 1: to still be able to provide energy to hundreds of

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01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 1: thousands millions of Wisconsin homes, they needed to pass some

1476
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 1: of that cost along to the consumer. Now it doesn't

1477
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: hurt that they effectively have just by the nature of

1478
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:52,640
Speaker 1: the industry that they're in, they effectively have a monopoly

1479
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: over power production in a given region of the state.

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01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 1: And unlike how I was complaining early this hour about

1481
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: the cartel like authority that we are about to grant

1482
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 1: to the Native American tribes, specifically the ho Chunk, the Oneida,

1483
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: and the Potawatamie in online sports gambling. On that voice

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01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:18,799
Speaker 1: vote which is apparently scheduled for tomorrow in the State Assembly,

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01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 1: which I'm desperately trying to stop, not necessarily the vote,

1486
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 1: but I want to see a roll call vote. I

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01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 1: don't want a voice vote. That's that We delved into

1488
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 1: that in great detail earlier in the show, so I'm

1489
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,560
Speaker 1: not going to re litigate that. But unlike the cartel

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01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: that would be created here for online sports gambling, unlike

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01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 1: the cartel that we created with the Governor Doyle Forever

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01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 1: Indian Gaming Compacts of two thousand and three, this is

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01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 1: a monopoly sort of by necessity. You can't have just realistically,

1494
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 1: logistically speaking, five hundred different power companies all coming in

1495
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: to compete on price, because the star cost of a

1496
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: power plant is simply prohibitive. Now in the future, could

1497
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: we see, and I believe we're already starting to see

1498
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: small scale nuclear be a factor, especially at these data centers,

1499
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 1: and coming up in just a second, we're going to

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01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 1: get into the fact that this is not the data centers.

1501
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 1: It is not the fault of the data centers that

1502
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:29,679
Speaker 1: our rates are going up. So before we start blaming

1503
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 1: that and we get into more misinformation about these data centers,

1504
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Let's take a break. We will

1505
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 1: get into that aspect of the story in just a second.

1506
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 1: When the Dan o'donalds show.

1507
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 9: Retardles classical conservatism contemporary.

1508
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 2: Style, the Dan o'donald Show is coming right back.

1509
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 1: A tour de force of truth, the sort of truth

1510
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: the rest of the media used to give you, Like

1511
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 1: just how much Governor Evers' Public Service Commission is jacking

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01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 1: up power rates for Alliant Energy and Excel Energy customers

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01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 1: this year, which will be paid over the next two

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01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 1: years three hundred four point five million dollars. We energies

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Speaker 1: customers of which I am one, primarily Southeast Wisconsin. We

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01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 1: got a five hundred and fifty million dollars two year

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01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 1: increase late last year. The rest of the media is

1518
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:47,759
Speaker 1: not giving you the background as to why this is happening,

1519
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 1: not surprisingly because it reflects very poorly on Governor Evers,

1520
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 1: who does retain primary control over The Public Service Commission

1521
01:40:56,360 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: is a quasi independent commission, but Governor Evers does point

1522
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 1: all of the members of it, and has since he

1523
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 1: was first sworn in in January of twenty nineteen. Since then,

1524
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 1: we have seen two billion dollars in cumulative rate increases

1525
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: compared to about one billion dollars to maybe one point

1526
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: five billion dollars is a rough estimate. Over the eight

1527
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:26,600
Speaker 1: years of Governor Walker's tenure, Walker averaged about three to

1528
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 1: five percent in annual rate increases, pretty steady. From twenty

1529
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: eleven to twenty nineteen. Governor Evers has seen rate increases

1530
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:40,719
Speaker 1: as much as twenty percent, averaging about seven to eleven percent.

1531
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 1: This has had an average annual impact on your utility

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01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:49,719
Speaker 1: bill of about ten bucks a month, So every single

1533
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 1: month we have seen ten dollars in increases for the

1534
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 1: past eight years, compared to about three dollars to six

1535
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: dollars under Governor Walker's tenure. Now, what is the primary

1536
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:05,959
Speaker 1: driver of all of this. It's Governor evers Green agenda.

1537
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 1: In an executive order. In August of twenty nineteen, he

1538
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 1: set this pie in the sky goal of getting to

1539
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 1: a one hundred percent.

1540
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 2: Green electrical grid by twenty fifty.

1541
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 1: Now, this wasn't legally enforceable, but the regulatory posture the

1542
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 1: Evers administration took towards utilities was sort of aligned with this.

1543
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, there was a Clean Energy Plan

1544
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 1: that further put this into place. So, all of a sudden,

1545
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:40,080
Speaker 1: within a matter of years, you have all of these

1546
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 1: new costs for energy providers to start the transition to

1547
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:47,679
Speaker 1: green energy because they don't want to run a foul

1548
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 1: of the state of Wisconsin. This is added and we

1549
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 1: Energies last year and Alliant Energy this year, in their

1550
01:42:55,720 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 1: filings before the Public Service Commission, both made refference to

1551
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 1: the fact that this green energy agenda has forced them

1552
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 1: to make significant investments, and this has totaled, by reasonable estimates,

1553
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 1: six hundred to eight hundred million dollars over the last

1554
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:16,679
Speaker 1: seven years. In all of those two billion dollars worth

1555
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 1: of rate cuts, that's directly attributable to the green agenda. Now,

1556
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 1: some would say, some would argue, especially those who are

1557
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 1: just dead set against having a single data center in

1558
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 1: the state of Wisconsin. Right now we have I think

1559
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: the number is almost fifty, and there are plans to

1560
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 1: just have a ton of them. Yes, the Microsoft one

1561
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:40,600
Speaker 1: was just killed by Nimbi's who did not want a

1562
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 1: data center anywhere near them. Some people have this misconception

1563
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 1: that there is a tremendous strain on the electrical grid

1564
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 1: because of the data centers coming in, or that somehow

1565
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 1: ratepayers are paying increased costs because.

1566
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 2: Of the data centers moving in.

1567
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:02,600
Speaker 1: Neither of these is actually true, because they are required

1568
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 1: by the Public Service Commission. I'll give credit where credit

1569
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 1: is due the evers and actually, I guess this does

1570
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 1: go back to the Walker era. They saw this coming,

1571
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 1: government said okay, companies are going to need massive amounts

1572
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 1: of data. First it was cloud computing, where unlike what

1573
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris very infamously said, where she said, well, it's

1574
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 1: just kind of up there, implying that she thought cloud

1575
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 1: computing was a literal cloud where your pictures and videos

1576
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 1: were stored. No, it was first cloud computing. Amazon is

1577
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 1: a big player in this. Obviously, Apple, basically any tech company, Google,

1578
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 1: they had massive cloud computing services which required huge amounts

1579
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:49,879
Speaker 1: of data to run. Those would be stored in servers

1580
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 1: in data centers. Wisconsin is actually a very very good

1581
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:56,600
Speaker 1: place to put these data centers because we have a

1582
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 1: cool climate. We have access to a lot of fresh

1583
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 1: water for cooling. Think about when your laptop starts to

1584
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 1: it works overdrive.

1585
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 2: What do you hear immediately turn on that fan. It

1586
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 2: needs to cool.

1587
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 1: Off so that the entire system doesn't overheat. Well, it's

1588
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 1: the exact same thing at a data center. And in

1589
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 1: the early days of these, water was used to cool

1590
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:25,440
Speaker 1: off the systems when they would be processing a tremendous

1591
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,759
Speaker 1: amount of data and they would use a tremendous amount

1592
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 1: of computing power. I don't pretend folks to know these

1593
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 1: the technical terms for this. They do computer stuff, and

1594
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 1: when they do a lot of computer stuff, they overheat

1595
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 1: and we would need water. Well, there's a ton of

1596
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 1: technological advancements surrounding these to the point where they're now

1597
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: using dry cooling. Think just like the laptop fan that

1598
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 1: you have in the thing you spend all day staring at.

1599
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 1: They have dry cooling systems that essentially operate like giant fans.

1600
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 1: But it helps when you've got a very cool climate

1601
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 1: and You've got a lot of water accessible and nearby,

1602
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: so Wisconsin, and you also generally want flat land because

1603
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 1: these things are just sprawling. Way easier to build a big, big, big,

1604
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:16,680
Speaker 1: big facility on land that is just completely flat rather

1605
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:18,240
Speaker 1: than hilly, mountainous that sort of thing.

1606
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 2: You don't have to level you get it.

1607
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:25,800
Speaker 1: So Wisconsin wanted to position itself as a nationwide leader

1608
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 1: in data centers powering the new economy, which now there

1609
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 1: is a tremendous amount of demand for data because of

1610
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence AI just uses a phenomenal amount of computing power.

1611
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 1: So there was a need for new data centers, and

1612
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:47,720
Speaker 1: Wisconsin wanted the tax revenue that they would provide, so

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01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:51,480
Speaker 1: there is a big, big push. The fox Con facility

1614
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:53,720
Speaker 1: is a perfect spot for a new data center that

1615
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 1: sort of thing. The idea, though, that these data centers

1616
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:04,640
Speaker 1: are causing rates to go up is ludicrous because the

1617
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 1: Public Service Commission requires pre payment from these companies for

1618
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 1: not only the electricity the power that they're going to consume,

1619
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:22,000
Speaker 1: but also the associated infrastructure costs in building the data

1620
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 1: center and getting it operational, So those are already paid.

1621
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:30,800
Speaker 1: The cost is borne by Microsoft or Meta, the parent

1622
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:34,560
Speaker 1: company of Facebook or Amazon or whomever it is that

1623
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 1: wants to build a data center. And in fact, the

1624
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 1: idea that these data centers are going to be sucking

1625
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:45,200
Speaker 1: off the grid in the first place is probably antiquated

1626
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 1: because there are going to be so many of them

1627
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 1: popping up, folks, I get this is the future. This

1628
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:53,760
Speaker 1: is going to be a way of life. We are

1629
01:47:53,840 --> 01:48:00,800
Speaker 1: going to be talking about data centers, warehouses popping up everywhere.

1630
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 1: It is the future of retail is going to be

1631
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 1: more Amazon warehouses. It's clearly not going to be more

1632
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 1: shopping malls. And the future of the economy writ large

1633
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 1: is not going to be manufacturing plants. It's going to

1634
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: be data centers. It is going to be massive facilities

1635
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 1: that power AI and robotic systems. They're going to need

1636
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 1: so much power that I don't think are electrical grid,

1637
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 1: even with a massive twenty year buildout, is prepared to

1638
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 1: handle it. Therefore, they're going to need things. And what

1639
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 1: makes the most sense and what I keep hearing from

1640
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 1: the tech industry, I follow a whole lot of tech publication.

1641
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm just fascinated with where we are going as a

1642
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:54,640
Speaker 1: species and the AI revolution. To me, I think this

1643
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:58,720
Speaker 1: is on par folks with the industrial revolution. People keep saying, well,

1644
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 1: this is just like the Internet, It's just like here. No,

1645
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:04,960
Speaker 1: I think this is like the development of mass production itself,

1646
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 1: just how it fundamentally is going to transform society in

1647
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:12,519
Speaker 1: ways that we can't even imagine. Well, what I keep

1648
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: hearing from people who are in the know is that

1649
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:20,520
Speaker 1: there is going to be small scale nuclear power, completely

1650
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 1: paid for by these corporations, and that power just the

1651
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 1: data centers that they own.

1652
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:27,680
Speaker 4: Now.

1653
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 1: Of course, since Three Mile Island and especially Sure Noble,

1654
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 1: there has been this pathological fear of nuclear power.

1655
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:36,640
Speaker 2: But it is clean burning, it.

1656
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 1: Is safe, and it is most likely the only thing

1657
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:45,280
Speaker 1: that is going to be able to power our digital future.

1658
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:49,679
Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan O'Donnell show. It's conservative thought,

1659
01:49:50,160 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 1: not just talk. See this is what you get. This

1660
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:06,960
Speaker 1: is what you get on the Dan o'donnald Show. We

1661
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 1: go from a story on Democrats' hiking rates on something

1662
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 1: which is you know, par for the course, it's what

1663
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 1: they do. Governor evers and is PSC approving today another

1664
01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:21,640
Speaker 1: three hundred million dollars in utility rate increases, and we

1665
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 1: take that all the way to just what the future

1666
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 1: is going to look like data centers all over the place.

1667
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 1: I think you are going to see manufacturing make a comeback,

1668
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 1: but it's going to be manufacturing that is powered not

1669
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 1: by human beings on assembly lines like a generation, generation

1670
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 1: and a half ago. That's century, century and a half

1671
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 1: ago to be more accurate. But you're going to see

1672
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 1: these completely automated factories or largely automated factories with just

1673
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:55,240
Speaker 1: a handful of human beings who are making massive salaries

1674
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 1: there to take care of things when some of the

1675
01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 1: robots break down. Elon Musk has been talking for the

1676
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 1: past several weeks on his social media, and Musk is

1677
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 1: kind of notorious for over promising, or at least promising

1678
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:14,480
Speaker 1: in a more rapid time frame than I think reality

1679
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:18,960
Speaker 1: will allow. But he's been talking about how humanoid robots

1680
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:22,880
Speaker 1: are basically going to be the Rosie from the Jetsons

1681
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:25,600
Speaker 1: for every single person. But rather than just be a

1682
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:28,560
Speaker 1: robot made like she was, you are going to have

1683
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:32,599
Speaker 1: these robot assistants do everything that you want don't want

1684
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 1: to do. They're going to say, organize your daily calendar.

1685
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 1: They are going to go through your mail, they are

1686
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:44,959
Speaker 1: going to pay bills, they are going to do your taxes.

1687
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 1: Not only that, they're going to plunge your toilets, they

1688
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:51,760
Speaker 1: are going to clean your windows, they are they are

1689
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 1: going to essentially make domestic work obsolete. That's what Musk

1690
01:51:55,760 --> 01:52:00,320
Speaker 1: is talking about. On a larger scale, humanoid robot in

1691
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 1: the very near future, not as soon as Musk is predicting.

1692
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 1: He always says things are a year or two away,

1693
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 1: but certainly I think five ten years, I don't think

1694
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:16,200
Speaker 1: that's an unrealistic expectation. You're going to see humanoid robots

1695
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:19,679
Speaker 1: just doing pretty much everything, and on a grander scale,

1696
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 1: on a manufacturing scale, you're going to see robotics take

1697
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:27,880
Speaker 1: over much more of the work that is currently done

1698
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:31,960
Speaker 1: by humans. Like why do we need any human beings

1699
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:36,240
Speaker 1: involved in the manufacture of say an automobile to do

1700
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:39,560
Speaker 1: some of the fine detail work. That's where you have

1701
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:43,000
Speaker 1: the humanoids and you just have more advanced robotics who

1702
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 1: are doing the you know, putting the frame on and

1703
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:47,679
Speaker 1: putting the engine in and that sort of thing, things

1704
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,720
Speaker 1: that robots are already doing right now. Well, if you

1705
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:55,679
Speaker 1: have a sort of centralized artificial intelligence that is running

1706
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:59,240
Speaker 1: all of this, well then you've got the factory of

1707
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 1: the sure somewhat scary in a way. There are going

1708
01:53:04,360 --> 01:53:09,240
Speaker 1: to be fewer jobs, but many more very high paying jobs.

1709
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:12,559
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think the Ford Motor Company

1710
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 1: would pay to the five to ten people who are

1711
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: on site to make sure that everything is going along

1712
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 1: swimmingly and have the wherewithal to be able to talk

1713
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:26,879
Speaker 1: to and interface with the AI, or have the technical

1714
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:29,880
Speaker 1: know how to be able to physically fix things when

1715
01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 1: they break down. I mean, you could basically name your

1716
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 1: own salary three four or five six hundred thousand dollars

1717
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:39,760
Speaker 1: easily to be one of the small number of human

1718
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 1: beings who is actually on site. But that's that's a

1719
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:46,639
Speaker 1: scary new world, scary new proposition. And think about how

1720
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 1: all of that is going to be powered. Very likely

1721
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:53,120
Speaker 1: it is going to need to be We are probably

1722
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:57,400
Speaker 1: going to need to lean into solar and wind power. Yes,

1723
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody who has ever doubted that.

1724
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:04,719
Speaker 1: What conservatives have always had an issue with was government

1725
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:07,920
Speaker 1: just sort of trying to as Governor Evers has with

1726
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:11,000
Speaker 1: his executive orders in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty two,

1727
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:13,760
Speaker 1: saying oh, we're going to be fully green, We're going

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Speaker 1: to be fully renewable by twenty fifty, Well, if the market,

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Speaker 1: if technology allows, Yes. Everybody would love to be fully renewable,

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Speaker 1: my self chief among them. The reality is government can't

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Speaker 1: have artificial deadlines, and therefore, to meet these artificial deadlines,

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Speaker 1: set up these bullying regulatory schemes to essentially get energy

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Speaker 1: providers and energy producers to pay more to government to comply,

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Speaker 1: or if they don't comply with whatever asinine regulatory burden

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Speaker 1: and hurdle there are, the market will decide. Ultimately, I

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Speaker 1: think what is going to push us to a scenario

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Speaker 1: in which we are moving towards seventy five percent, maybe

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent renewable by the end of this century.

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Speaker 1: It is going to be the fact that there is

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Speaker 1: just so much demand for electricity that traditional models of

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Speaker 1: fossil fuel based power.

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Speaker 2: No longer work.

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Speaker 1: All Right, We're going to end tonight's show by not

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Speaker 1: looking towards the future, but towards the past. If I

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Speaker 1: may have a moment of personal privilege. Today actually marks

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Speaker 1: twenty five years, a quarter century since my wife Megan

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Speaker 1: and I started dating. It was just before Thanksgiving November eighteenth,

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Speaker 1: in the year two thousand that she and I made

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Speaker 1: it official we were going out. We had our first

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Speaker 1: date a couple of weeks earlier. We went and saw

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Speaker 1: Almost Famous in theaters after it first came out, and

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Speaker 1: it to this day is our favorite movie, and as

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Speaker 1: you hear, Tiny.

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Speaker 2: Dancer is to this day our song.

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Speaker 1: It was the song that we had our first dance

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Speaker 1: to as husband and wife on our wedding day about

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Speaker 1: nine years after that. We have three beautiful children, one

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Speaker 1: of whom is no longer a child, he's an adult.

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Speaker 1: We have a puppy who we just got. We just

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Speaker 1: built a house, and we have what I think I

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Speaker 1: can honestly say is the happiest life I could have

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Speaker 1: ever imagined. Happy anniversary, Megan, I love you with all

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Speaker 1: my heart. You've been listening to the Dan O'Donnell Show.

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Speaker 1: We are back tomorrow afternoon at three oh six