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Speaker 1: All right, let's sort through what has transpired today for

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Speaker 1: the Bengals and around the NFL. Who better to do

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Speaker 1: that with than my leadoff guest tonight, he covers the

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Speaker 1: Man has he been busy today? Let's welcome in James Orpene.

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Speaker 2: How are you now?

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Speaker 1: I'm well, I'm curious. I'll ask the question everybody's wondering

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Speaker 1: and everybody's discussing today, the trade of Logan Wilson. Your

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Speaker 3: I think given the position that they put themselves in,

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Speaker 3: which is benching their captain in favor of rookie and

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Speaker 3: looking at his contract, I think this makes sense. You

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Speaker 3: wanted to get that contract off the books. You free

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Speaker 3: up roughly five point two million dollars in cap space

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Speaker 3: if you combined this year and next year and what

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Speaker 3: they'll save, and so it stinks, but it beats the

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Speaker 3: alternative of you keep Logan around until February.

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Speaker 2: You cut it.

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Speaker 3: You have a bigger cap hit. You don't have any

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Speaker 3: cap savings. You don't have any seventh round pick, and

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Speaker 3: he's still signing elsewhere. So did they handle everything right

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Speaker 3: leading up to it, from the benching and everything involved

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Speaker 3: there that really hurt his trade value. No, by getting

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Speaker 3: something and getting someone to take on that contract, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's what I and you bring up a point

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Speaker 1: that I've never understood in all of this when when

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Speaker 1: they initially did this with Logan, it to me it

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Speaker 1: just it screamed rebuild and we're moving on, and yet

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Speaker 1: they were still in it. And yet by doing it,

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Speaker 1: they exposed themselves to the inexperience and the problems that

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Speaker 3: You can totally agree. And I've asked Zach a few

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Speaker 3: times about the play because he's like, yeah, we got

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Speaker 3: to play the young guys. Then I get it at

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Speaker 3: like a left guard. You drafted Dylan Fairchild to play

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Speaker 2: You knew that on draft day.

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Speaker 3: Demetrius Knight, even if you disagreed with the pick at

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Speaker 3: the time, you drafted him to do that to play

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Speaker 3: You knew he was going to start from day one

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Speaker 3: or replace Jermaine Prepp. Fine, but Logan wasn't so bad

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Speaker 3: that you had to bench. And in turn, when you

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Speaker 3: did that, you're right. You open yourselves up to a

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Speaker 3: lot of mistakes when you're still very much in it,

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Speaker 3: when you had just traded for Joe Flacco. Barrett Carter's

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Speaker 3: you have just traded for Joe Flackle. You're trying to

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Speaker 3: stay in it. And the other element here is it

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Speaker 3: completely tanks any value Logan Wilson might have had. So

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of people look at this and say,

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Speaker 3: you couldn't get a fifth for Logan Wilson or a

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Speaker 3: sixth for Logan Wilson. Well, maybe you could have if

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Speaker 3: he had another thirty tackles and he's on the field

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Speaker 3: and maybe had an interception or two, and they made

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Speaker 3: the move then. And I do think it's a questionable

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Speaker 3: move that as of now, has it made them better.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it will, but benching Logan Wilson has not made

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Speaker 3: them better on defense, and the past four games are

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Speaker 3: pretty obvious where the defense has had every opportunity even

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Speaker 3: back to Joe Flacko in the Bengals kit to win

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Speaker 3: that game. An opportunity to put the Steelers away didn't

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Speaker 2: This defense hasn't done it.

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Speaker 3: And you do wonder, man, if Logan was out there,

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Speaker 1: Are you surprised Trey Hendrickson is still here.

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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm disappointed, but there's there's so many layers to this.

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Speaker 3: Once upon a time, Lance I told t Higgins, like,

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Speaker 3: you next year. This is This wasn't during an interview.

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Speaker 2: He was like, oh say that. I was like, I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you. And guess what they did. Now? They ended

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Speaker 3: Joe Brow moved mountains behind.

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Speaker 2: The scenes to do so.

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Speaker 3: But you get my point here is this this tray thing.

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Speaker 3: Now it's just continuing to dangle and it is a

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Speaker 3: and it messes with him, and I get it. You

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Speaker 3: need playmakers. Fine, well, if you need play then pay him.

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Speaker 3: And if you don't want to pay him, then trade him.

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Speaker 3: And instead it's this weird in between where they're three

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Speaker 1: They had a number of other expiring contracts, be it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know me, of course they should have I

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Speaker 3: you think they're worth if Gino Stone just.

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Speaker 2: Isn't on the roster outside of depth, No, I mean

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be mean to Gino, but he

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Speaker 3: should have tackled Coastal Love them the other day. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Jordan Battle should have tackled Coastal Love on.

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Speaker 2: The other day. I just some of these guys.

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Speaker 3: Joseph aside, You've had so many opportunities to be a

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Speaker 3: Of course you could have. And so those are the

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Speaker 1: Did you anticipate yesterday when you guys spoke with Zach,

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Speaker 2: I did not.

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Speaker 3: So much so, And this is not a shameless plug.

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Speaker 3: I just want to make it clear of how much I,

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Speaker 2: They weren't going to make a move.

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Speaker 3: I had recorded my podcast before Zach talked before Locker

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Speaker 3: Room and said they're not going to make a move,

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Speaker 3: And here's why, I asked Al Golden. And this is

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Speaker 3: after I recorded the Lockdown Bgals podcast too. I asked

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Speaker 2: Like no, I just get him to the ground. And

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Speaker 2: so at some point and I did it.

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Speaker 3: The defense has been so bad and it looks so bad,

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Speaker 3: but I refuse to believe that this coach that people

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Speaker 3: Dame just forgot how to coach. And the other proof

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Speaker 3: he clearly didn't forget how to coach. So like fool

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Speaker 3: me once it's all on move, Well, clearly it wasn't fine,

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Speaker 3: But I'm still okay with the change because I think

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Speaker 3: look good now and they're so bad. Fine, but that

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Speaker 2: Make them better? Like they're all on the hot seat.

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Speaker 3: We know that they're three and six, like they should

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Speaker 2: On the hot seat.

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Speaker 3: Zach's on the hot seat. They're all on the hot seat.

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Speaker 3: So making a move now, I'm not sure that matters,

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Speaker 3: but they better be better.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a shame because I I'm just shocked at

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Speaker 3: I've covered some bad teams. I mean when we were

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Speaker 1: Got about a minute. You've in covering all those teams,

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Speaker 1: Describe the vibe Sunday after the game in that locker room.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean starting to starting to come to

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Speaker 2: Of what they are.

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Speaker 3: And it's maddening. I think it's maddening you because you

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Speaker 2: Play in all of this.

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Speaker 3: They had him at third down, and I don't think

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Speaker 2: I've I just kind of expected to come back to

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Speaker 3: It's just been so bad that I would be throwing

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Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff at the wall. And that's why

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Speaker 3: I would have been open to trading some of those guys.

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Speaker 3: I really would have. And maybe they were right. I

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Speaker 3: don't think so. I just know their history and how

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Speaker 2: It up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: You never know what a little new life could bring you.

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Speaker 3: We've seen that with Joe Flacco. So yeah, it's I

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Speaker 3: think reality has said in a bit on this team,

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Speaker 3: for sure.

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Speaker 1: You have been cranking out the content, not just today,

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Speaker 1: but day after day. What do you have up now,

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Speaker 1: what will be coming and how can listeners partake in

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Speaker 1: all of it.

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Speaker 3: I just posted a lock on Bengals podcast. We've relive

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Speaker 3: on Cincinnati Bengals Talk on YouTube for an hour. Plenty

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Speaker 3: of stuff there. I'm looking at Bengals Talk dot com

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Speaker 3: and there are a bunch of articles reacting to the

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Speaker 3: Logan Wilson deal, reacting to their lack of trades with

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Speaker 3: Trey hendrickson the cap space that they saved for Logan Wilson,

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Speaker 3: the actual pick that the Cowboys are sending isn't the Cowboys?

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Speaker 3: That details there. There's so much at Bengals Talk dot

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Speaker 3: com as well.

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Speaker 2: Busy day.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your carbon out time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you absolutely thanks Mans