1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: A very happy one to you. A comping up off 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: the top of the our news. We'll hear from Greg Hand. 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: He's a local historian and comedian. Similarities between twenty County 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: or since an in twenty twenty six and nineteen twenty six, 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: Tom's Awastowski fast forward one hour. Got a variety of 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: state topics to talk about with him, the Ohio, Minnesota, 7 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Somali daycare fraud link, et cetera. In the meantime, welcome back, 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: volume two. We're making this a habit. Christopher Smith and 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: former virus mayor of the City of SINCINNTI with the 10 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: Smither event. Christopher, your reaction to council, Yes, going into 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: executive session and note not speaking a word to the press, 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: not a single council member, the city manager, the city 13 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: manager spokesperson, the mayor. Nothing. We have no idea what happened, Christopher. 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 1: Welcome back, my friend. It's always great having you on. 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: Hey, thank you so much. It's everything that's wrong with government. 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, you know of one to go into executive 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: session and not tell the public the agenda of the 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: executive session. Yeah, that's right, that's a good session. You're 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: supposed to say this is the reason we're going into 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: executive session and our discussion is very narrow. I mean, 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: you tell the public the agenda because you don't want to. 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: You don't want to say, we're going into executive session 23 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: and we're going to talking about all of these other things, right, 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: so to go and just deal with that issue. But 25 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: the public should have been informed prior to the executive session, 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: and there should have been a roll call vote of 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: all non members of council of what the agenda was. 28 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 2: It's all secrecy and it's all intentional for our city 29 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: government to conceal their discussions with the settlement talks with 30 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: the Hinton family. 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: Well, Christopher, you know, based on what you said, they 32 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: could have been talking about something completely different. We've all 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: been operating into the presumption that the closed door meeting 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: was in as a consequence of the revelations that there 35 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: were settlement discussions going on behind the scenes between the 36 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: city manager and the Hinting attorneys. Neither of those sides 37 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: denied discussions were ongoing. I think they just most argued 38 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: with the characterization in the media. But that's what the 39 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: predicate was. Well, presumably that's what they went in there for. 40 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: But we really don't even know that, do we. 41 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: We don't. If I were a lawyer, I would be 42 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: filing a lawsuit against the City of Cincinnati today asking 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: for the agenda. What was the agenda of the executive session. 44 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: You don't have to tell me what you discussed, there 45 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: are no notes, but you at least have to tell 46 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: the public what the agenda was. You can't just go 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: into secrecy as a government, close the doors and not 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: tell the taxpayers who are by the way, the ones 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: who are on the hook to pay the bill, what 50 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: you're talking about. But this is the secrecy of this mayor, 51 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: this manager, and this council, and elections have consequences. My 52 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: heart goes out to every law enforcement officer that's out 53 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: there because I wanted to share, which I know you covered, Brian. 54 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: Is this is the case last year where the young 55 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: man had a gun and a stolen car running from 56 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: an officer. He was African American, the officer involved was white. 57 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: That young man turned with a weapon and unfortunately that 58 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: officer had to take his life for fear of his 59 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: own life. We've had the prosecutor clear him. They have 60 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: much economy. Prosecutor clear him obviously, we have the Cincinnati 61 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: Police Department clear him. The bottom line was, my heart 62 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: goes out to any loss of life. But the officer 63 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: made a split second decision, which is what they have 64 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: to do every single day. The hitting family. The father 65 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: then decided the next day he was going to take 66 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: his vehicle and run over a sheriff. A sheriff who 67 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the Cincinnati Police Department. He's 68 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: out there, he had adopted a couple of children. He's 69 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: out there, had retired doing traffic at a at a 70 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: UC graduation, and the father ran him over. This council 71 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: went into executive session most likely to discuss a settlement 72 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: to the family because their child was shot, who had 73 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: a gun in a stolen car running from an officer. 74 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: And that is what is so sad about all of this. 75 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: If I were a taxpayer, if I were a lawyer, 76 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: I would be filing a lawsuit today demanding what the 77 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: agenda was of that executive session. 78 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: And so to be clear on this and let me 79 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: leave no question mark to go into executive session, there 80 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: is a rule an obligation for counsel to let the 81 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: public know the subject matter of the executive session and 82 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: that did not happen yesterday before they went in. 83 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: That's that's my understanding. 84 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: Well, you were a former vice mantic. 85 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: Oh no, that's the truth. Oh no, that's the truth. 86 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: But the question is if no one can calls you 87 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: on it. That's why lawsuits after the attorney, because people 88 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: do things that are illegal and they get away with it. 89 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: The question is, will counsel in a transparent way communicate 90 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: with the public why they went into executive session. So 91 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: for example, for example, I sit as one commissioner appointed 92 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: by the governor over the casinos for the state of Ohio. Okay, 93 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: we went into executive session approximately two months ago, all right, 94 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: roll call vote of all seven commissioners and an agenda 95 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: item of what we were going to discuss. We were 96 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: being sued in our capacity as commissioners, and we communicated 97 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: we're going into executive session so our lawyer can brief 98 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: fund right on that litigation. That's why we went into 99 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: executive session. And guess what, when we went into executive session, 100 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: we only discussed that agenda item and then came out 101 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: of executive session and brought the public back in. 102 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: That's the way it's you do. That's the way it's 103 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: supposed to work, and knowing full well that that's the 104 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: way it's supposed to work, why did the city take 105 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: us down this road which might lead to even more 106 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: litigation and more legal expenses. Let's pause when Christopher smith'ment 107 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: back six point thirty seven right now, if you have 108 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: kerr CE the talk station, well, if this sounds like you, 109 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: SI fifty five KRCD talk station, bran Town was reacting 110 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: with Christophers Smith aman reacting to the behind the closed 111 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: doors meeting. So, going back to Christopher's point, it is 112 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: an obligation of the council rules that they let the 113 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: public know what a closed door session is all about, 114 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: because we don't get any information from inside the closed 115 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: door session. So it is a critically important obligation for counsel. 116 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: Chris said, it's so much so that someone could file 117 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: a lawsuit for them having violated that because we presume 118 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: they were talking about this Hinton settlement, but we don't 119 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: know that for sure. Obviously the lid was blown off. 120 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: I think much of the Sagrantah Cheryl Long and the 121 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: Hitting family lawyers that it was released to the public 122 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: that they were talking about settlement. We know they were 123 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: but we don't know that that's what happened yesterday, Christopher. 124 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: With the rule being what it is, and the fact 125 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: that they've gone down this road before they bought litigation 126 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: under your scenario, they knew it was going to happen, 127 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: so they subjected the sinsin taxpayer to even more expense 128 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: because now we're going to litigate the failure to let 129 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: us know what's going on in executive session. 130 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, again, I'm going to go back and let 131 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: me make this point too, which I think is interesting. 132 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: When I served on council, right I never remember ever 133 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: going into executive session. I want to emphasize that to you. 134 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: So that last ten year run that I served, I 135 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: never remember council going into executive session. Okay, so this 136 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 2: is very unusual for city Council to say I'm going 137 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: into executive session. It could be that they don't even 138 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: understand meaning When I served right now currently as one 139 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: of seven commissioners for casinos across the state of Ohio, 140 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: again we went into executive session. We each of us 141 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: had to do a roll call vote. The seven of us, 142 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: we all had to sign a document saying we were 143 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: going into executive session, and we had to stick to 144 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: that agenda item and come out of executive session. When 145 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: you're dealing with the government and the people's money, it 146 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: just makes logical common sense to think. Number one, you 147 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: don't go into executive session lightly. But when you go 148 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: into executive session and you close the door, you have 149 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: to at least tell the public why you're going into 150 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: executive session, the purpose of it. You don't have to 151 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: tell us what you said. There are no notes, you 152 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: don't have to say what was discussed. You know, da 153 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: da da da dad between your lawyer, the city manager 154 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: and the nine members of council. But you do have 155 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: to tell us the agenda. 156 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: Well, and you just pointed out a reason why you 157 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: needed exactecutive session. Private conversations, attorney client communications you've got 158 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: to have with a larger group of people being represented 159 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,119 Speaker 1: by that council. That is not the type of information 160 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: that you generally want shared with the general public. You 161 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: can't be candid and open with your lawyer if you 162 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: know it's going to be widely reported. So that will 163 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: be a valid justification. But what of a discussion about settlement. 164 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: Is that a worthy executive session declaration? Had they gone 165 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: in ahead of time and said we are going into 166 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: executive session to discuss the settlement. Is that akin to 167 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: the attorney client privileged kind of conversation. Would it serve 168 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: as a justification? 169 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean, the non members of 170 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: council are not being sued. The people who are going 171 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: to pay the bill are the tax payers, so they 172 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: deserve to know what that bill's going to look like. 173 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: You're not going into executive session saying, hey, you're being sued, 174 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: you might be deposed. Here's you know, here's your here's 175 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: here's our position. I mean, you're a lawyer. Our only 176 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: discussion in that executive session was to discuss the legal 177 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: ramifications of those seven members. That's it. It's a very 178 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: narrow discussion. And I want to remind you we all 179 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: took a vote, we all signed a document, and we 180 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: stuck to that agenda item. So I don't know what 181 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 2: this new way stuff City Hall is doing, but I'm 182 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: sharing with you. Just just everybody use your common sense. 183 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: The government is supposed to be open. That's why you 184 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 2: have UH rules and law state rules that say, hey, 185 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: you can't five members of council can't just go out. 186 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: That was the Gang of fire. You just can't go 187 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 2: out and start having private meeting that lunch discussing the agenda. Right. 188 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: It was all about open access to public discussion, right. 189 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: So it's it's very important and I think that if 190 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: council did not tell us why they're what their agenda was, 191 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: not what they discussed, that is absolutely a problem period. 192 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: And go back on the fact pattern here. This is 193 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: why law enforcement, Brian Thomas, when we're dealing with ice, 194 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: We've got people across the country who are standing in 195 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 2: front of police vehicles. They're blocking a law enforcement cars 196 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: in whether it's ice or whether it's a local police 197 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: officer who's being ambushed while sitting in their car eating 198 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: lunch in uniform, out of uniform. We're seeing this all 199 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: across the United States of America. My point is that 200 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: the meat of this is a young man who made 201 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 2: a series of poor decisions gun stolen car, jumping out 202 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: of the car, running from an officer, turning towards that officer, 203 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: and the officer unfortunately having to make that decision to 204 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 2: fire his weapon and take his life. That's what we're discussing. 205 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: How do you think, Brian Thomas, if this council settles 206 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: this lawsuit and gives it family money after the father 207 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: made the decision the next day to kill a sheriff. 208 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: How in the world, what kind of message? How do 209 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: you think that impacts the morale of every peace officer 210 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: in the state of Ohio and across the country. 211 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: Well, let me just leave that lay there. I understand 212 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: that's more of a rhetorical question, but I'll bring it 213 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: right back and just get a quick comment about Alex Trevinsky, 214 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: who was cited for defending himself from the beatdown brawl. 215 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: And how do you think that makes officers feel when 216 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: they don't want to issue a citation because they don't 217 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: see any crime committed. And yet we're apparently forced to 218 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: bring Christopher back real quick on that one. First, Susette 219 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: Low's camp for all your mortgage needs. You are the 220 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: best possible hands with Susette. You will love working with her. 221 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: She's withus. Christopher Smithman on the phone. Christopher just pivoting 222 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: over briefly to the trial of Alex Trevinsky, who is 223 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: the slap guy in the multiple beatdown. He was charged 224 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: with disorderly conduct, which carries up to thirty days in 225 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: jail on a twohundred fifty dollars fine. The other seven 226 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: people were charged with felonies, including the one who punched 227 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: Holly in the face so hard and knocked her out. 228 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: Unbelievable that now Alex got a charge against him with 229 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: this disorderly conduct in spite of the fact that the 230 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: officers on the scene did not believe that charge was 231 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: motivated or necessary, there weren't sufficient facts there, and yet 232 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: ultimately I believe it was Lieutenant Henny now police chief. 233 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: Henny ended up issuing the citation to Henny at apparently 234 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: the behest of I don't know was it the city manager, 235 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: but it wasn't something that any of the members of 236 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: law enforcement wanted to do, yet he issued it. Now 237 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: he's been caught. Henny has been caught as a defense witness, 238 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: as have been the police detectives in Alex Stravinski's trial. 239 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: So with yesterday's continuance, because the city prosecutors said one 240 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: of her witnesses didn't show up, I think that's an 241 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: illustration or a suggestion that the case is going to 242 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: ultimately be dismissed because if he doesn't show up the 243 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: next time, they throw the case out. Maybe that's been 244 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: set up to just have that result because the case 245 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: isn't going anywhere, Christopher. Your response, it's. 246 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: Not going anywhere. Clearly his lawyers have said, you know, 247 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: and I thought it was the right decision to say, 248 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: we're going to trial, like, we're not shopping the case, 249 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: We're not trying to settle anything, right, because part of 250 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: this is they've got to clear this man's name. I mean, 251 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: members of council, the city manager, everybody was out there 252 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: saying these crazy things about this man, and so you know, 253 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: his reputation absolutely was impacted, and his ability to get 254 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: a job to you know, all of that is going 255 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: to going to be on the table. Number One, he's 256 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: going to be found not guilty. This case is not 257 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: going anywhere. It's dead on a rival. You and I 258 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: know that. So the next question is going to be 259 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: his lawyer's going to turn around and file a lawsuit 260 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: against the City of Cincinnati. They're going to win that lawsuit, period, 261 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: and the city's going to have to give millions of dollars. Now, 262 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: if I am his lawyer and I just saw you 263 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: give out eight point one million, I then turn around 264 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: and say, oh, you're going to give the in family 265 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: millions of dollars. What do you think they're going to 266 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: have to give this man? See, they're setting this thing up, man. 267 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: And then when you look, you look at Chief Washington, 268 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: you look at Chief Fiji. Just go down the list 269 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: of people that they're going to have to subble with. 270 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: And I'm talking about in twenty twenty sixth and twenty 271 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: twenty seven, we're talking about an indemnity debt of probably 272 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: north of twenty million dollars in litigation. Again, I don't 273 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: know why they went into executive session yesterday, but they 274 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: owe us an explanation of what the agenda item was. 275 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: You know, I will make sure I end with that. 276 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: You and I shouldn't be speculating why our government went 277 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: behind closed doors. We should know why they went behind 278 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: closed doors. And so that point right there, I think 279 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: if we had a healthy media, if we had healthy journalism, 280 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: right they would be asking the questions that you and 281 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: I are talking about right now. Wouldn't just be all 282 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: Council went into executive session and there's no need for 283 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: us to know what our government was talking about behind 284 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: closed doors. Somebody would have already asked that question, and 285 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: the headline should have said something like counsel went into 286 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: executive session without sharing what the agenda was. 287 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: Exclamation point, Christopher Smithman. Always appreciate your thoughts and comments 288 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: and insights. We will patiently wait for local news to 289 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: find out why exactly they went into executive session. You know, 290 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: I guess members of Council are free to at least 291 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: give us that little piece of information without violating rules 292 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: about what goes on inside executive session. Right, so there's 293 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of them out there that can answer 294 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: the question. Strange the administration wants to continue this cloak 295 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: and dagger nonsense. It certainly delegitimizes them. When you add 296 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: all these things together, you come up with an administration 297 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: that really wants to keep the truth away from the public. 298 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: No question, I can see. I can see Joe Strecker 299 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: sending an email to each member of members of Council 300 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: as a media person saying, I have one question, what 301 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: was your agenda item last night or yesterday afternoon? Why 302 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: did you go into executive session? No discussion about your agenda, 303 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 2: but what was the agenda? Yeah, he suspects these Something 304 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: tells me that there are going to be some emails 305 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 2: going to members of city council asking them that question. 306 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: Stet maybe, but according I mean Scott Wortman tried yesterday 307 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: after the meeting, they all declined to comment, along with 308 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: the city manager of the city managers spokesperson the mayor. 309 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: No one said anything. We'll see your popcorn out, Jay 310 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: Chris for Elections have consequences, don't they. 311 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: Elections have consequences. Brian Thomas, thank you so much. People 312 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: can follow me on x at vote Smitherman, thank you, brother. 313 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: Take care, my friend. We'll talk on Monday. Stick around. 314 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: On top of the other news, Greg Handy's local historian, 315 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: does some