WEBVTT - “WE’VE LOST CONTACT” 0:00:00.700 --> 0:00:03.100 This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI 0:00:03.180 --> 0:00:06.100 AM 640, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand on 0:00:06.140 --> 0:00:07.260 the iHeartRadio app. 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.039 A big story that we have been following today, a 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:16.750 helicopter that was providing coverage for Channel 4 crashed while 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.770 reporting on an already deadly bus crash from last night 0:00:20.950 --> 0:00:24.130 in Chatsworth. The reporter and the pilot on board were killed. 0:00:24.210 --> 0:00:27.690 One person on the ground was killed. We've also detailed 0:00:27.790 --> 0:00:32.949 some of the other cases of traffic helicopters, reporting helicopters 0:00:33.010 --> 0:00:36.190 that have gone down in accidents over the last several years. 0:00:36.590 --> 0:00:39.770 KFI in the Sky, Mike Nolan, for a long time 0:00:40.409 --> 0:00:46.320 was in an airplane and in July of 2012 had 0:00:46.340 --> 0:00:48.960 to put that thing down at a place that's not 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:50.820 designed to put planes down in. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.980 Mike Nolan, good morning. It's so nice to talk to you. 0:00:54.970 --> 0:00:57.210 Carrie and Shannon, this is incredible. I was going to 0:00:57.250 --> 0:00:59.500 say congratulations on the new show, but it's. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:00.640 Been a while now. 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:02.600 It's only 10 and a half years, Mike, but that's 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.560 our fault for not having talked to you for that long. 0:01:04.580 --> 0:01:08.140 It feels like it's new. It feels like talking to 0:01:08.180 --> 0:01:09.940 you is like talking to you yesterday. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.789 Obviously, I retired too soon. 0:01:13.810 --> 0:01:17.090 So you hear news like this last night, I'm assuming, 0:01:17.290 --> 0:01:19.390 and what goes through your mind? 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:21.780 Well, the pain. 0:01:22.500 --> 0:01:25.199 Anytime it's a fellow pilot, no matter what the market, 0:01:25.220 --> 0:01:27.540 no matter what the circumstances, it's the pain of losing 0:01:27.580 --> 0:01:31.070 a fellow aviator, and especially one in such a small 0:01:31.110 --> 0:01:35.970 fraternity as all of us Airbornes were. I mean, nationwide, 0:01:36.490 --> 0:01:39.290 at its best, we were a handful, and it's even 0:01:39.770 --> 0:01:42.580 detracted since then. So it's just a pain of that. 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.319 Thinking of my friends at Angel City Air and the 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:49.240 people that I've known at KNBC and even the air 0:01:49.260 --> 0:01:52.820 traffic controllers, these guys worked with the air traffic controllers 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.100 on a daily basis. They were colleagues in many ways. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.820 I always considered the air traffic controller as one of 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:58.760 my closest colleagues. 0:01:58.780 --> 0:02:00.080 So it hits a lot of people. 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.060 Can you talk about that relationship when you're in the air, 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:09.000 when you're there either morning, afternoon, drive, and we all 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.929 think of it as a wide open space, but you 0:02:12.990 --> 0:02:16.390 have the ability to and would very often communicate with 0:02:16.470 --> 0:02:19.190 other reporters that were in the air at the same time. 0:02:19.210 --> 0:02:19.900 Can you talk about that? 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.140 Well, yeah, that actually goes back to one of the 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.480 earliest tragedies in airborne traffic, and that was Captain Max 0:02:26.500 --> 0:02:30.280 Schumacher in 1966. I was fortunate enough to have flown 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.280 with him when I was in eighth grade at KMPC Airwatch. 0:02:33.889 --> 0:02:37.730 And Captain Max had a midair collision with an LAPD 0:02:37.750 --> 0:02:42.190 helicopter late in the afternoon over the Dodger Stadium area. 0:02:42.900 --> 0:02:46.230 And as a result of that, there was an organization 0:02:46.270 --> 0:02:49.850 came to being called the Professional Helicopter Pilots Association of 0:02:49.889 --> 0:02:54.460 Southern California. And PHPA ended up making it a point 0:02:54.480 --> 0:03:01.130 to have 123.025 as the common airborne traffic frequency for 0:03:01.230 --> 0:03:03.670 all of the airplanes flying over L.A. to be able 0:03:03.710 --> 0:03:05.889 to communicate with each other and let each other know 0:03:05.930 --> 0:03:11.110 where they were. That's LAPD. Back then, people running bank checks, L.A. radio, 0:03:11.370 --> 0:03:16.730 the radio station, helicopters and airplanes. We were all on 0:03:16.750 --> 0:03:19.310 123-025 giving a common position report. 0:03:20.169 --> 0:03:25.420 Will mentioned something about hovering and how difficult it is 0:03:25.620 --> 0:03:28.840 and dangerous and precarious that that position is. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.040 Out of all my flying time, I am a helicopter 0:03:33.060 --> 0:03:36.440 pilot also, but just a small fraction of my flight 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:37.690 time is in helicopters. 0:03:38.090 --> 0:03:39.330 But as I've worked. 0:03:39.230 --> 0:03:44.110 So many fires and stories alongside the helicopter pilots, their 0:03:44.150 --> 0:03:47.620 ability to hover in one spot literally for hours at 0:03:47.660 --> 0:03:50.960 a time was always amazing to me. Now, the altitude 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.140 is the biggest factor. If you have an issue when 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.080 you're up high, you've got time. If you have an 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.040 issue when you're not that high, you have a lot 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.810 less time to be able to react and potentially work 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:03.090 it out. But that is a difficult thing to do. 0:04:03.170 --> 0:04:05.809 And they did it magnificently for so many years, all 0:04:05.830 --> 0:04:06.770 of my airborne colleagues. 0:04:07.570 --> 0:04:10.230 Do you remember what goes through your mind when you're 0:04:10.270 --> 0:04:13.610 in trouble up there? Or if anything, or if you 0:04:13.650 --> 0:04:16.380 don't even have time to think or feel you're just 0:04:16.460 --> 0:04:17.520 reacting at that point? 0:04:18.670 --> 0:04:21.650 Well, what I was always told and what I tried 0:04:21.670 --> 0:04:24.990 to do when I had my incident in 2012, fly 0:04:25.230 --> 0:04:25.870 the aircraft. 0:04:26.570 --> 0:04:28.450 Don't stop flying the aircraft. 0:04:29.050 --> 0:04:31.130 You only stop flying the aircraft when you can't fly 0:04:31.150 --> 0:04:34.270 it anymore because so many crashes have happened, and this 0:04:34.830 --> 0:04:37.930 is just in general, where the pilot got distracted and 0:04:37.970 --> 0:04:41.070 stopped flying the airplane, and the airplane was in flyable 0:04:41.089 --> 0:04:45.190 condition and impacted something. So the biggest thought I always 0:04:45.210 --> 0:04:47.250 had was don't stop flying the aircraft. 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.830 Yeah, you went, if I'm not mistaken, it was a 0:04:51.370 --> 0:04:54.600 drainage ditch or where exactly would you describe where you 0:04:54.620 --> 0:04:55.480 had to put the plane down? 0:04:56.460 --> 0:04:58.440 It was right next door to a drainage ditch. 0:04:58.500 --> 0:05:01.800 And my goal, I was literally, I was 30 feet 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.660 or 30 seconds away from being able to land in 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.839 an open field. 30 feet higher or 30 seconds more 0:05:07.900 --> 0:05:10.940 engine time before I'd quit. And my plan B, I 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.700 was aiming toward a house. I was not going to 0:05:12.740 --> 0:05:14.920 land on a house. So off to the left was 0:05:14.940 --> 0:05:18.240 the drainage ditch. And I envisioned kind of flying into 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.140 the ditch and bringing the airplane up into a stall 0:05:21.170 --> 0:05:22.900 and kind of pancaking on the other side. 0:05:23.490 --> 0:05:24.850 But I never got that far because when. 0:05:24.790 --> 0:05:28.810 I hit the wires... The airplane literally flipped but landed 0:05:29.180 --> 0:05:31.479 right side up, which was miraculous in itself. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:32.020 That's right. 0:05:33.140 --> 0:05:33.360 Wow. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.700 And then when you are there on the ground or 0:05:37.820 --> 0:05:43.289 what have you, what happens for you in your mind? 0:05:43.430 --> 0:05:45.089 Like is it I got to call Lori? 0:05:45.150 --> 0:05:45.690 What was it? 0:05:47.230 --> 0:05:49.250 Well, it's obviously a state of shock, and I was 0:05:49.290 --> 0:05:51.589 apparently knocked out for an incident because I don't remember 0:05:51.630 --> 0:05:54.150 hitting the ground. I just remember hitting the wires. So 0:05:54.570 --> 0:05:57.440 a little state of shock, a little momentary lapse. My 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.380 door opened, which was a miracle in itself. Usually it's 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.860 so easy for the door to get jammed. Unfortunately, my 0:06:02.940 --> 0:06:05.039 passenger was knocked out, but I got out of the 0:06:05.100 --> 0:06:08.279 airplane and to assist myself, and I could move around. 0:06:08.820 --> 0:06:10.040 I didn't have any obvious pain. 0:06:10.060 --> 0:06:12.680 I had bleeding in my eye from my sunglasses coming off, 0:06:12.700 --> 0:06:13.200 things like that. 0:06:13.620 --> 0:06:14.660 But nothing really major. 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.789 And meanwhile, I had asked a passing El Monte police 0:06:19.820 --> 0:06:22.850 helicopter to assist me just in case. So they were 0:06:22.870 --> 0:06:27.270 literally right on the scene. And the helicopter was– we 0:06:27.310 --> 0:06:28.310 couldn't even land the helicopter. 0:06:28.330 --> 0:06:28.970 It was too rocky. 0:06:29.330 --> 0:06:33.440 So the– The guy in the right seat jumped out 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.160 and came over to assist me. Meanwhile, there's a small 0:06:36.220 --> 0:06:37.979 fire starting on the other side of the airplane where 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:39.500 I couldn't get the passenger out, so I had gotten 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.490 the passenger out my door. I got him awakened out 0:06:42.500 --> 0:06:44.500 of my door, and then the police officer showed up, 0:06:44.730 --> 0:06:49.070 and by now everybody's showing up. So I had– somebody 0:06:49.089 --> 0:06:51.270 said you should sit down, so I did. And then 0:06:51.540 --> 0:06:52.919 somebody else came up and said, can you stand up? 0:06:53.020 --> 0:06:54.380 And I said, I don't know. I just sat down. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.400 So they all assisted. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.440 Me and got me into an ambulance, and I was 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.980 gone and nothing flat. And then we're in the ambulance, 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.900 and I got a hold of Lori through one of 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.619 their phones because mine was gone. And I was asking, 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.320 who's the trauma patient? I was worried about my passenger. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:11.340 And they said, you are. 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.780 I said, well, I'm fine. What do you mean I'm 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.420 the trauma patient? But that's how that worked out. 0:07:16.620 --> 0:07:17.400 Yeah, I remember that. 0:07:17.990 --> 0:07:20.890 In the discussions afterwards when we would hear from you, Mike, 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:25.760 and had followed up on the story, what struck me 0:07:25.820 --> 0:07:29.740 is I remember you being very apologetic that everybody had 0:07:29.780 --> 0:07:32.260 to give up their Friday night to go and take 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.780 care of you or go to the hospital. You were 0:07:35.820 --> 0:07:38.870 so apologetic for it because that's who you are, that's 0:07:38.910 --> 0:07:39.710 your personality. 0:07:42.130 --> 0:07:44.070 I was getting my hair cut a couple of weeks 0:07:44.110 --> 0:07:47.150 later in the same area, the Norco area there, and 0:07:47.550 --> 0:07:49.440 talking about that day. And she said, yeah, we lost 0:07:49.500 --> 0:07:51.640 our power. And I kind of meekly held my hand 0:07:51.700 --> 0:07:53.200 up and said, oops, sorry about that. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.920 I remember sitting in the anchor booth and couldn't get 0:07:57.940 --> 0:08:02.200 a hold of you. And I remember there being static 0:08:02.300 --> 0:08:05.240 where there wasn't static before on the IFB. 0:08:06.270 --> 0:08:08.190 And then I remember going. 0:08:07.970 --> 0:08:12.650 Into the AirMix booth and Clay said, we can't contact him. 0:08:12.670 --> 0:08:14.230 We can't get a hold of him. And Clay is 0:08:14.270 --> 0:08:16.390 freaking out. And we're all freaking out. And it was 0:08:16.430 --> 0:08:20.110 just like there was this information blackout, you know, where 0:08:20.190 --> 0:08:23.910 everyone's just thinking. And, you know, it was so odd 0:08:23.950 --> 0:08:27.630 that day. I remember thinking, well, it's Mike Nolan. It'll 0:08:27.650 --> 0:08:28.180 be fine. 0:08:28.190 --> 0:08:29.140 Everything's going to be fine. 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:30.880 Because you never think your guy.... 0:08:32.530 --> 0:08:34.410 Isn't going to be fine. You know, I don't know 0:08:34.429 --> 0:08:36.589 what it was. It was just like this weird feeling of, Oh, 0:08:37.370 --> 0:08:40.030 it's Mike Nolan, you know? And I can only imagine 0:08:40.050 --> 0:08:43.460 that people at KMBC or whatever, when you know somebody, 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.640 it can't happen to the person that you know, that's 0:08:45.660 --> 0:08:47.199 your guy, you know? 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.000 Um, so it's just, it's, it's awful. Um, but it 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.040 was great to talk to you. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:52.819 Give our love to. 0:08:52.780 --> 0:08:55.660 Lori and Jeremy and Katie. You've got a grand baby. 0:08:55.710 --> 0:08:56.830 How old's your grand baby now? 0:08:57.820 --> 0:08:58.660 Both grandbabies. 0:08:58.679 --> 0:08:58.859 Both? 0:08:58.880 --> 0:08:59.359 Oh, my gosh. 0:08:59.420 --> 0:09:00.640 The four and the two-year-old. 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:01.990 No way. 0:09:02.570 --> 0:09:05.130 Lucy and Amelia, and four and two now. 0:09:05.230 --> 0:09:08.429 So we moved out of Arizona to Texas with the 0:09:08.490 --> 0:09:12.260 possibility of grandchildren, and they announced about four or five 0:09:12.300 --> 0:09:13.340 weeks later, so we. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:13.699 Timed it right. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.719 Is there a theme, Lucy in the sky, Amelia Earhart, 0:09:16.820 --> 0:09:17.800 or am I reading into it? 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:23.440 Actually, I have to ask Jeremy that question. 0:09:23.460 --> 0:09:26.220 I wouldn't even put that together. 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:30.239 Because Jeremy is a pilot, too. Mike, great to hear 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.250 from you. Great to talk to you, unfortunately, for the circumstances. 0:09:33.370 --> 0:09:35.650 But it is always nice to hear a familiar voice. 0:09:36.590 --> 0:09:38.850 And again, very briefly, the people at KNBC last night 0:09:38.910 --> 0:09:41.580 who had to handle that on television, knowing it was 0:09:41.620 --> 0:09:42.920 their ship, couldn't say anything. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.420 That was extraordinary work. Yeah, it's difficult. All right. 0:09:46.780 --> 0:09:48.640 Mike Nolan, former KFI in the sky. 0:09:48.660 --> 0:09:51.340 Well, I'll say this, always KFI in the sky. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:52.089 Thanks again. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:53.850 Miss you guys. Take care. 0:09:53.929 --> 0:09:54.470 You too. 0:09:56.150 --> 0:10:02.120 You're listening to Gary and Shannon On Demand from KFI AMC. 640. 0:10:02.330 --> 0:10:04.910 Well, one of the conversations we were just having off 0:10:04.950 --> 0:10:10.030 the air talking about this bus crash, the SUV that 0:10:11.210 --> 0:10:16.880 reportedly was driven by a female, potentially DUI, potentially a 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.580 reckless driving situation that T-boned that bus. 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:21.800 Yeah. 0:10:22.460 --> 0:10:25.610 Will be arrested, according to the LAPD, when she is 0:10:25.780 --> 0:10:30.130 done being treated at the hospital for murder, if that 0:10:30.190 --> 0:10:32.870 is indeed the case, the reckless driving and the DUI. 0:10:33.550 --> 0:10:36.150 One of the conversations to have is, can she be 0:10:36.250 --> 0:10:39.319 culpable for the deaths of the people in the helicopter? 0:10:40.350 --> 0:10:44.550 At least one case that I'm aware of involved a 0:10:44.929 --> 0:10:49.010 firefighting helicopter responding to a scene of an arson fire 0:10:49.030 --> 0:10:52.540 that went down. There was at least one fatality there. 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.500 And the person who started that fire was held culpable 0:10:56.620 --> 0:11:02.959 for the firefighting helicopter death. The helicopter that responded to 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:07.890 that fire. This obviously would just be a causation issue. 0:11:10.610 --> 0:11:14.230 If it was a mechanical failure of the helicopter, that 0:11:14.530 --> 0:11:17.410 may make a difference in whether that person would be 0:11:17.500 --> 0:11:21.880 charged with those murders. If that helicopter was deemed to 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.440 fail anyway, no matter where it was, maybe that would 0:11:25.460 --> 0:11:28.440 be harder to put those deaths on the person that 0:11:28.460 --> 0:11:31.420 caused the crash. But it's certainly a conversation and an 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:35.540 option that I would assume detectives and prosecutors are looking at. 0:11:36.030 --> 0:11:39.310 The identity, by the way, came out of that SUV driver, 0:11:39.330 --> 0:11:44.160 36-year-old Bailey Rios out of Simi Valley. She was the 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.960 one who ran a red light there at DeSoto and 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:53.220 Nordhoff last night and T-boned that bus at pretty significant speed. 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:58.610 If you've seen the image of the SUV inside, basically, 0:11:58.690 --> 0:12:02.469 the front end of it is inside the bus, triggering 0:12:02.510 --> 0:12:05.290 that chain of events that's Now we know the death 0:12:05.330 --> 0:12:08.770 toll is at five at least, and her bail has 0:12:08.809 --> 0:12:13.059 been set well over $ 2 million. So more information, obviously, 0:12:13.179 --> 0:12:16.579 as the prosecutors decide what it is that they're going 0:12:16.620 --> 0:12:17.720 to do with this case. 0:12:21.220 --> 0:12:21.860 I thought there was more. 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.290 Well, I was going to get into some of the 0:12:26.330 --> 0:12:31.319 people that were killed. There was the pedestrian case. that 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.620 was killed that's not getting as much, obviously, attention because 0:12:35.660 --> 0:12:37.880 we did not know who the pedestrian. 0:12:37.940 --> 0:12:44.309 Was until now. We're getting the identities of those people. 0:12:44.370 --> 0:12:47.170 But anyway, it's very sad. 0:12:49.110 --> 0:12:51.460 We will keep an eye on this story. Obviously, this 0:12:51.530 --> 0:12:54.580 is a big one. It's big for our industry. It's 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.040 big for the city. And as evidenced by the fact 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.559 that there were elected officials that were out there last night. 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.840 I mean, they'll never let a tragedy go unused, but 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.220 still it's important to realize that this was a significant 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.900 event and is going to be out there. The NTSB 0:13:11.940 --> 0:13:15.610 we understand is expected to be on site this morning. 0:13:15.620 --> 0:13:18.089 If they're not already, they should be there relatively soon. 0:13:18.620 --> 0:13:21.270 And it will be the NTSB that does the investigation 0:13:21.290 --> 0:13:25.690 into what happened, even with the extensive damage to the 0:13:25.790 --> 0:13:29.600 actual helicopter that they will have the ability potentially to 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.180 go through and determine what it was that caused the accident. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.490 TMZ just posted an update to the Paramount story, by 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.450 the way. We spoke about it yesterday. Paramount potentially leaving LA, 0:13:40.490 --> 0:13:45.490 leaving California. Internal discussions, they say, in the mayor's office 0:13:45.650 --> 0:13:50.850 and the AG's office were told that Paramount would announce 0:13:50.890 --> 0:13:56.170 it was leaving California Yesterday, the announcement was supposed to come, 0:13:56.590 --> 0:14:02.679 but there was a twist. There are, as we reported yesterday, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.620 11 other state attorneys general, along with California, that have 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.110 filed an antitrust lawsuit against Paramount trying to block the 0:14:10.130 --> 0:14:14.010 Warner Brothers merger. But that announcement was apparently supposed to 0:14:14.050 --> 0:14:16.510 come out yesterday. So the fact that it didn't is 0:14:16.570 --> 0:14:19.630 leading to speculation that maybe there was a deal reached. 0:14:20.340 --> 0:14:23.800 or something, the job fallout would be huge. It extends 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.300 way beyond just the studio alone, obviously. 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.720 The number I saw was 28,000, and that's just the 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.280 people who get checks from Paramount Warner Brothers that would 0:14:33.340 --> 0:14:36.800 then lose their jobs or have to move out of state. 0:14:37.020 --> 0:14:37.240 Right. 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.340 There have been settlement negotiations over the past few months, 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:44.240 but no deal has been reached. Rob Bonta, the California AG, 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.980 was said to be unreasonable. David Ellison was saying, well, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.300 we'll pick up and move to Texas. But so far, 0:14:51.540 --> 0:14:54.000 this thing's kind of in limbo in the last 24 hours. 0:14:54.180 --> 0:14:56.590 Side note to that is that American Idol is leaving. 0:14:56.610 --> 0:14:59.090 We've heard this story throughout the morning. American Idol is 0:14:59.130 --> 0:15:02.270 picking up and will no longer be produced in L.A. 0:15:02.330 --> 0:15:05.990 They're moving to the Atlanta area. The Hollywood Reporter said 0:15:06.050 --> 0:15:11.730 this is especially scripted television has been lost to other places. 0:15:12.290 --> 0:15:16.170 A 13 percent drop in shoot days from April to 0:15:16.250 --> 0:15:20.010 June compared to the same period last year. And even 8% 0:15:20.010 --> 0:15:22.430 dropped from the quarter just before that, according to the 0:15:22.470 --> 0:15:28.220 latest report. So continued evidence that Hollywood is slowly dying on. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:28.880 The vine out here. 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.660 There are new rules at work, don't you know? We 0:15:32.700 --> 0:15:36.360 talked about it yesterday. Even if nobody around you is 0:15:36.420 --> 0:15:43.720 getting a raise, how you could potentially skirt that commonality. 0:15:43.740 --> 0:15:44.220 All right. 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:45.540 Gary and Shannon, we'll continue. 0:15:47.100 --> 0:15:50.660 You're listening to Gary and Shannon On Demand from KFI 0:15:50.820 --> 0:15:53.420 AM 640. 0:15:53.420 --> 0:15:54.040 Layoffs. 0:15:54.420 --> 0:15:55.940 Layoffs. 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:56.020 AI. 0:15:57.500 --> 0:16:06.060 Overstretched, overtired managers. Just plain old existential murk. All of 0:16:06.180 --> 0:16:09.320 it arrives with work every day these days, doesn't it? 0:16:10.630 --> 0:16:14.410 Seems that your once reliable career path looks shakier than ever. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.060 But it is still possible to find rewarding work at 0:16:19.100 --> 0:16:22.080 the office, according to the Wall Street Journal. 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:22.920 Oh, I see. 0:16:23.540 --> 0:16:26.720 They decided to go and talk to all the experts 0:16:26.780 --> 0:16:30.320 with big questions and small questions about how to survive, 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:35.100 how to enjoy work, how to thrive. They wanted real tactics. 0:16:35.220 --> 0:16:38.600 They wanted practical advice, and they compiled. 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:38.780 It for us. 0:16:41.990 --> 0:16:45.350 So 24 rules that they came up with for succeeding 0:16:45.530 --> 0:16:49.950 at work. And their number one on the list is 0:16:50.490 --> 0:16:52.790 how to persuade your boss to give you a raise 0:16:52.850 --> 0:16:57.700 if no one else is getting one. That you have 0:16:57.740 --> 0:17:00.980 to show that you've got confidence, that you have delivered 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.140 in the past, that you will continue to do so 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.080 and perhaps deliver even better than you had in the past. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:12.060 One board member for Lululemon said that they saw it 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:16.119 was actually part of Tesla's board president for several years. 0:17:16.850 --> 0:17:20.530 and said showing confidence like that is not being piggish 0:17:20.690 --> 0:17:24.659 or being threatening. He said, this is John McNeil. If 0:17:24.700 --> 0:17:26.500 someone walked into my office and said, hey, look, I've 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.840 been working super hard on this problem. I just saved 0:17:28.859 --> 0:17:32.159 the company $ 100 million or I made the company $ 100 million. 0:17:32.510 --> 0:17:34.949 You might want to inject some humor like I'm not 0:17:34.990 --> 0:17:38.270 going to ask you for all $ 100 million out of that, 0:17:38.609 --> 0:17:41.290 but a 5% raise of whatever that is. 0:17:41.330 --> 0:17:45.790 Anytime you can remind or point out to the boss 0:17:45.810 --> 0:17:48.629 that you're making money or that you've made money for 0:17:48.650 --> 0:17:49.210 the company. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:50.460 Is key. 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.260 If you're not pointing it out, you're almost doing yourself 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:58.580 a disservice. But don't try to be a D, they say. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:05.330 Don't try to exert your leverage vocally. You don't go like, 0:18:05.810 --> 0:18:07.810 if you don't give me that 5%, I'm going to 0:18:07.830 --> 0:18:09.590 go across the street. I'm going to go elsewhere. The 0:18:09.670 --> 0:18:12.770 threats don't play well in the boss's office. 0:18:12.790 --> 0:18:17.030 And I wonder if it's, is it because they would, 0:18:18.050 --> 0:18:21.119 you may think that, You may think that this is 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:22.740 the end of the line for you and you're going 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.680 to go across the street unless they bump up your ducats. 0:18:27.980 --> 0:18:29.020 Your ducats. 0:18:29.260 --> 0:18:31.330 Are they saying you don't say it? 0:18:31.350 --> 0:18:32.230 Your ducats. 0:18:32.270 --> 0:18:32.670 Ducats. 0:18:33.330 --> 0:18:34.190 That's a good one. 0:18:34.210 --> 0:18:34.770 Thanks. 0:18:36.250 --> 0:18:37.130 Where does that come from? 0:18:37.730 --> 0:18:39.609 It's a form of payment. 0:18:39.670 --> 0:18:41.070 I don't know. I know, but I want to know 0:18:41.090 --> 0:18:42.150 where it comes from now. 0:18:42.170 --> 0:18:43.650 The actual place it comes from? 0:18:43.670 --> 0:18:44.370 Yeah. 0:18:44.390 --> 0:18:44.610 Ducats. 0:18:45.050 --> 0:18:47.950 D-U-C-A-T-A. I don't know where it comes from. 0:18:48.010 --> 0:18:48.230 No. 0:18:48.590 --> 0:18:51.260 Yeah, ducat. Yeah, D-U-C-A-T. 0:18:51.820 --> 0:18:52.080 Okay. 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:56.280 A historical gold coin that served as a major European 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:00.440 currency from the Middle Ages through the early 20th century. 0:19:01.220 --> 0:19:04.510 The first gold ducat was minted by the Republic of 0:19:04.609 --> 0:19:05.389 Venice in 1284. 0:19:05.390 --> 0:19:08.950 I didn't realize Venice was its own republic. Yes. 0:19:09.290 --> 0:19:09.690 Okay. 0:19:10.390 --> 0:19:14.490 It became famous for its reliable weight and high purity. 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.500 It maintains strict standards about 3.5 grams of nearly pure 0:19:20.500 --> 0:19:22.480 23 Garrett carrot gold, but 1284, your ref, you may. 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:24.739 Have out. 0:19:29.270 --> 0:19:32.550 Referenced when it comes to an aged reference you may 0:19:32.590 --> 0:19:35.890 have out handled handle this morning i don't know what 0:19:35.930 --> 0:19:38.790 kind of references he made on his show but i 0:19:38.869 --> 0:19:40.469 bet he didn't go back as far. 0:19:40.350 --> 0:19:43.250 As 1284 no i think he went is i think 0:19:43.290 --> 0:19:45.470 he did my mother the car that may have been 0:19:45.490 --> 0:19:50.600 as far back as he went jeez anyway sorry, I 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.359 get distracted. I was also of a reliable weight and 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:54.680 purity when I was in high school. 0:19:54.940 --> 0:19:55.379 You were? 0:19:55.420 --> 0:19:56.690 Yeah. 0:19:57.030 --> 0:19:58.090 That's why they called me Duckett. 0:19:58.530 --> 0:19:59.990 Ah, so pure. 0:20:00.850 --> 0:20:04.530 We'll tell you about this one. Anne Hyatt worked for 0:20:04.670 --> 0:20:07.389 Jeff Bezos when she was at Amazon. She was recruited 0:20:07.410 --> 0:20:10.260 by Microsoft to work for a senior vice president. She 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.180 said she had no interest in leaving Amazon, but brought 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.660 the offer to Jeff Bezos and asked if he could 0:20:16.700 --> 0:20:20.260 match it. And she said, looking back, it's so cringe 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.940 because I remember so clearly him sliding that piece of 0:20:22.980 --> 0:20:26.800 paper back to me and being like, fine. It's saying 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.300 I could tell that Jeff Bezos was really disappointed in me. 0:20:30.780 --> 0:20:33.160 She worked directly with him but says that she hadn't 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:36.010