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Speaker 2: A fifty five k r C, the talk station Friday Eve.

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Speaker 3: Some sillation.

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Speaker 1: And that's the way.

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Speaker 2: The news go. It is apparent. Let me thank you

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Speaker 2: Joe Tracker for the sound by Brian Thomas right here,

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Speaker 2: host of the fifty five KRC Morning Show, which I

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Speaker 2: enjoyed doing and coming up. I love guests of the

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Speaker 2: Morning Show. Rather talk to guests and hear the sound

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Speaker 2: of my own voice. But I also love talking to

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Speaker 2: you listeners. Is enjoyable. It is is talking with Congressman

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Speaker 2: Warren Davidson, he's coming up at seven oh five. But

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Speaker 2: as long as be engaged in exchange and back and

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Speaker 2: forth and uh, you know, uh discuss concepts and ideas,

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Speaker 2: that's what I believe. The Morning Show is all about

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Speaker 2: looking through the fog of the media bias and trying

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Speaker 2: Logic and reason. Five on three, seven nine fifty five hundred,

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Speaker 2: Get it through, Joe Strecker, You got to get through

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Speaker 2: the gatekeeper coming up at seven to five. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 2: Congressman Davidson, followed by Russ Neville. If you don't know,

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Speaker 2: Russ Neville family is a storied law enforcement family and

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Speaker 2: he happens to be police Chiefdiji's brother Russ Uh obviously

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Speaker 2: I had a field day with it yesterday, just because,

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Speaker 2: like I started out by pointing out, who who among

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Speaker 2: a job where I didn't have some measure of criticism.

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Speaker 2: If if somebody's going to ask you, you got a free

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Speaker 2: shot on goal. Every front line worker knows that they

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Speaker 2: least a lot of them. And if you don't go

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Speaker 2: of hundreds of possible opinions might be biased. And that,

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Speaker 2: this so called report, it's a summary report, no attachments,

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Speaker 2: And the bias is obvious when you read it, and

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Speaker 2: Russ Neville will go ahead and offer his comments in studio.

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Speaker 2: Russ looking forward to having you sitting across from me

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Speaker 2: at seven thirty eight oh five with Judge Andrew King,

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Speaker 2: be a good conversation. And finally I heard mediaviation expert

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Speaker 2: Jay Rytt of Great Topics go over with Jay, which

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Speaker 2: is always the case, always the case. Well, it looks

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Speaker 2: to pass the bill into reconciliation. This is a budget item.

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Speaker 2: It's like any second, any second, any second. Fortunately, that

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Speaker 2: I think it's Artemis five mission, which is going to

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Speaker 2: start building a moon base I'll let you decide amongst

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Speaker 2: argue yes, many argued no. Here we are. The decision

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Speaker 2: was made after multiple administrations, both Republican and Democrat, decided

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Speaker 2: they were going to reinvigorate the space program, which went

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Speaker 2: I believe that's why they stopped well pumping billions of

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Speaker 2: Jay is on the phone. Jay, thanks for calling this morning.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Morning Show.

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Speaker 5: Hey, good morning, Brian. Hey don't forget we did get

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Speaker 5: panged from all those billions.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, thank you. Jay. You know I was

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Speaker 2: maybe those memories would be space for young people these days.

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Speaker 5: Hey, the reason for the call. I'm going to go

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Speaker 5: a little bit of a different direction today with the

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Speaker 5: Passover season. And I prefer to call it Passover because

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Speaker 5: Easter is a derivative of Ishtar, which is a pagan

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Speaker 2: From Easter bunnies and eggs has always been a mystery

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Speaker 5: you don't have to work for it. Whoever believes in

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Speaker 5: him shall not perish, but have eternal life. So he

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Speaker 2: Thanks Brian, Sure, Thanks Jay Jay taking an opportunity this

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Speaker 2: I can't make it, but gonna do it next year.

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Speaker 2: yesterday at lunch. Don't go away. It's five sixteen right now.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, there you go. But it's a it's a

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Speaker 2: But whether you're right or Jay's right, And I'm not

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Speaker 6: Yeah, those types of things they and they also didn't

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Speaker 2: Okay, But whether it's the Middle Easter or some burrough

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's a pagan thing though, that's the

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Speaker 2: Here, And we'll go ahead, just throw that out there

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Speaker 2: and we'll have Todd on the program again real soon.

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Speaker 2: I'm certain stick around stack and Stupid coming your way

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Speaker 2: or more phone calls either way you want to go.

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Speaker 2: I got to mention fast and pro roofing because I

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Speaker 2: want to mention fast and fifty five KRCV talk station

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Speaker 2: five forty if if you have KCD talk stations, Chuck

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Speaker 2: Ingram's out today. It's funny because you go in Chuck's

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Speaker 2: traffic room. He's got like eight thousand television screens and

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Speaker 2: does the traffic reports for a variety of different cities.

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Speaker 2: That's why I said about Detroit. I don't know where

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Speaker 2: Eddie is. Actually, I think Joe, Joe, you volunteered it

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Speaker 2: was Detroit. Is that really where he is?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so he is in Detroit in his screen in

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Speaker 2: a row filled with screens. Chuck Ingram's job today anyhow.

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Speaker 2: Five one, three, seven, four nine fifty, five hundred, eight

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Speaker 2: on eighteen T phone stacked a stupid time. Saint Louis,

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Speaker 2: not Detroit. We go to Saint Louis where two women

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Speaker 2: and now accues of making up a missing child who

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Speaker 2: does not exist, attempting to recover their stolen vehicle. I

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Speaker 2: know I'm confused as well. Anyway, Apparently this prompted a

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Speaker 2: useless amber alert courted police.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: They were contacted sometime after eight am on March thirty,

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Speaker 2: regarding a missing five year old child who'd been left

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Speaker 2: in a twenty twenty jeep renegade while it was running.

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Speaker 2: Caller claimed the renegade had been stolen with the child inside.

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Speaker 2: Thorny's discovered the stolen vehicle about a mile away where

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Speaker 2: it was last scene, but no child was there. Thorny's

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Speaker 2: reportedly searched the area with canine units, drones, helicopters, and

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Speaker 2: then eventually issued an Amber Amber alert for this man

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Speaker 2: missing child who apparently wasn't. Investigators began looking into the

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Speaker 2: women to report of the vehicle, Ashley Collins and Cayleb Williams,

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Speaker 2: and discovered that their initial story didn't quite add up.

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Speaker 2: Collins allegedly called nine to one one to report the

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Speaker 2: child missing. Authority said she did not have any images

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Speaker 2: of the missing child, and additionally, although Collins said that

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Speaker 2: the child was living with her girlfriend Williams, there was

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Speaker 2: no evidence that child had been there living at the

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Speaker 2: Williams residence. Finally, Collins and Williams family members reportedly did

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Speaker 2: not corroborate the story. Despite collins claims that she got

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Speaker 2: custody the child after her sister's death. Residents offered a

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars reward. I guess to relocate ahead of

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Speaker 2: the potential Oh sorry, that's a different one. They always

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Speaker 2: interject some extra sentences in these articles. Anyway. Five hours

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Speaker 2: passed after the nine to one to one call. Collins

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Speaker 2: and Williams then allegedly confessed to police that although the

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Speaker 2: vehicle had really been stolen, they made the missing child

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Speaker 2: part up Lieutenant lo or the police department. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it was a sense of panic. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if the individual thought it would get more response

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Speaker 2: to the fact that the vehicle had been stolen. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I think that's it. Anyway, he said, from a law

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Speaker 2: enforcement perspective, we essentially stopped everything we're doing and dedicated

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Speaker 2: every available body to something like this. And in cases

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Speaker 2: like this and time is of the essence, so it's

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Speaker 2: important that we jump as quickly as we can well,

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Speaker 2: of course, which I presume is exactly the motivation behind

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Speaker 2: these stupid women claiming there was a child in there.

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Speaker 2: Does anybody really believe it's like the Big Lebowski that

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Speaker 2: they're going to put a bunch of resources and drones

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Speaker 2: and all kinds of canine units on merely a stolen car. Right, No,

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't.

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Speaker 7: It's doing idiot things because they're idiots.

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Speaker 2: In terms of charges, Colin's charged with miss uson nine

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Speaker 2: one want to making a false report. William's charge with

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Speaker 2: one count of making a false report. And there you

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Speaker 2: have it. Let us see here we go to Seattle

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Speaker 2: where the police arrested a thirty seven year old guy

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Speaker 2: who was accused of breaking into business and stealing four

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars in alcohol. They were called to a shop

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Speaker 2: on Rainier Avenue. Got there found a damaged front door,

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Speaker 2: broken window, and a metal pride bar on the ground.

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Speaker 2: While searching the area, police found a man a few

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Speaker 2: blocks away carrying a large duffel bag, inside of which

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Speaker 2: the officers found bottles of alcohol. They say it's hard alcohol.

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Speaker 2: Best gives reviewed surveillance footage from the business. Yes, there's

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Speaker 2: always surveillance footage these days. You would be criminals. It

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Speaker 2: showed the guy breaking in despite telling them it wasn't him,

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Speaker 2: that's not me. Well that's your face, there are that's

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Speaker 2: your faces and that was not me. Officers recover the

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Speaker 2: stolen bottles return them to the owner of Police recovered

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Speaker 2: the pride bar as evidence. The store now needs an

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Speaker 2: estimated two thousand dollars in repairs to the door that

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Speaker 2: was broken and subject booked described as a convicted felon

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Speaker 2: for attempted burglary and he was placed in the King

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Speaker 2: County jail. I charged the burglary forty five now fifty

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Speaker 2: five ker CE talk station or weelli in society see

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Speaker 2: morning at least be around seven oh five for Congressman

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Speaker 2: Warren Davidson russ Neville, the brother of police Chief thegib

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Speaker 2: In Studio to talk about his response to this weak report.

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Speaker 2: Biased is regarding police Chief Thiji's actions as Chief Andrew King,

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Speaker 2: Judge Andrew King run from a house Supreme Court at

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Speaker 2: eight oh five, and of course Jay Ratliffe every Thursday

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Speaker 2: at eight thirty. Our iHeartMedia aviation expert back over to

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Speaker 2: the stack is stupid. We go to Florida and the

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Speaker 2: Keys specifically where this story actually makes sense, given that

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Speaker 2: it's the Keys, been there many times, a lot of

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Speaker 2: strange people and the key Florida generally anyway, But it

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Speaker 2: just gets more Florida e as you go south, then

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Speaker 2: you end up in the keys where we have a

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Speaker 2: man and a woman that we're arrested over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: accused of having sex in public view at a children's

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Speaker 2: park on Marathon Keiths, Yeah, I know, take it home. Man.

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Speaker 2: Thirty five year old Benjamin Andrew Frye forty two year

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Speaker 2: old Christy Lynn Ruiz, both of Marathon, now facing felony

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Speaker 2: council lootonlessvius exhibition, as well as misdemeanor counts of indecent

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Speaker 2: exposure and resisting arrest. This accorded a report from the

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Speaker 2: Monroe County Sheriff's Office, who responded to the City of

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Speaker 2: Marathon's Children's Rotary Park and Dog Park eight pm after

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Speaker 2: getting a report of a man at a woman having

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Speaker 2: sex in plain view of others. Witnesses happened to be

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Speaker 2: a family of three that included a child. Both suspects

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Speaker 2: taken to jail. You moron yep oh instant karma. In Bellevue, Washington,

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Speaker 2: person taken to the Harbor View Medical Center after falling

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Speaker 2: from an overpass onto an Interstate ninety ramp in Bellevue.

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Speaker 2: Accord to Washington State Patrol, fall happened at ten thirty

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Speaker 2: pm on the ramp of eastbound nine ninety to Bellevue Way.

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Speaker 2: Why the person who fell was allegedly graffiti tagging on

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Speaker 2: the overpass when they fell down to the ramp below.

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Speaker 7: Idiots doing idiot things because they're idiots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Tagger taken to the hospital for a possible broken

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Speaker 2: leg and facial injuries. No additional details provided on whether

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Speaker 2: the victim will be facing charges for the vandalism. Maybe

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Speaker 2: that was well, I don't know lesson enough learned falling off.

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Speaker 2: That was my stapler. Parenthetically, she's trying to describe the

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Speaker 2: chaos that's going on here in the studio this morning.

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Speaker 2: And finally, Joe, have you ever heard of the loofah story?

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Speaker 2: You know, the loof of the colored loof of means

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Speaker 2: something sexual like this is the Villages in Florida. It's

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Speaker 2: a fifty five year old and older retirement community central Florida.

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Speaker 2: Popular joke in Central Florida. Some residents of the village

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Speaker 2: have been seen with loofahs on their vehicles and a

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Speaker 2: rumor started about that one I actually had heard about this.

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Speaker 2: This article is pointing out that it is merely a rumor.

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Speaker 2: What really apparently people have been theorizing that the loofahs

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Speaker 2: are a sign of what the person's sexual preferences or

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Speaker 2: proclivities might mean. So if you have a blue loofah

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Speaker 2: or a red lufa or whatever, that means, you are like,

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Speaker 2: you have a particular proclivity for some kind of sexual activity.

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Speaker 2: So it's a sign for others. But yeah, maybe not.

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Speaker 2: According to the Palm Beach Post, that rumor well accelerated

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Speaker 2: in recent years thanks to and Orlando area drag Queen,

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Speaker 2: a person who goes by and I'm gonna spell it

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Speaker 2: at and don't think about it too hard phrasing torah

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Speaker 2: hymen g A hi m A n Yeah, I know

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Speaker 2: anyway this transgender. This drag queen posted a video on

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Speaker 2: TikTok back in a couple of years ago showing vehicles

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Speaker 2: in the village with loofahs on them. The video the

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Speaker 2: so called lufa code diagram. Of course, the color provided

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Speaker 2: in the diagram showing what that particular sexual proclivity is

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Speaker 2: supposed to mean. It really doesn't. I guess this is

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Speaker 2: whole cloth made up. Diagram presented that the claims that

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Speaker 2: sellers in these colors indicate specific tastes. Uh. The local

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Speaker 2: News reached out to two people, Linda and Jerry. And

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Speaker 2: Linda of the Villages Newcomers Community Channel, they have one

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Speaker 2: of those it covers topics related to this the Villages.

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Speaker 2: I'm understand that this place is massive anyway, Jerry said,

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Speaker 2: let's we lived here five years. We have not heard

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Speaker 2: any of the rumors are negatively before we came. But

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Speaker 2: since we have come, we find that people have been

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Speaker 2: hit with these rumors of STDs, loofahs or swingers and

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. A couple of several years ago,

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Speaker 2: back three or four years ago, that same couple looked

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Speaker 2: into loofer rumor. They drove around the community, looked at

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Speaker 2: nearly two thousand vehicles and could not find a single loofah,

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Speaker 2: that's what they claim. But they do put loofahs on

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Speaker 2: their car. This Jerry guy speaking with the local news,

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Speaker 2: and the real reason folks put these loofas on their

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Speaker 2: vehicles is to help them remember where they parked. There's

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Speaker 2: so many SUVs that are gray or white or black.

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Speaker 2: They said, there are hundreds and hundreds of them here

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Speaker 2: and they just put them there the spot in their

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Speaker 2: car in the parking lot. My grandma did that. My

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Speaker 2: mom's mom, Grandma Marsh used to put a little red

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Speaker 2: it looked like a rose on the end of her antenna,

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Speaker 2: and you can always recognize her buick with that. That's

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Speaker 2: the point. Apparently the villages also has a longtime reputation

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Speaker 2: for risky sexual behavior. The one local news outlet said

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Speaker 2: the reputation is partially responsible for earning the moniker of

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Speaker 2: the std Capital of America. Maybe an overstatement as well.

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Speaker 2: They say that claim could be traced back to a

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Speaker 2: now removed story from two thousand and six from an

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Speaker 2: Orlando TV station titled doctors in retirement community seeing increase

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Speaker 2: in SDTS. Well, it turns out that article was about

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Speaker 2: a single physician from a local women's center. That center

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Speaker 2: no longer opened. The doctor was never named in the report,

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Speaker 2: So it's amazing what happens. Going back to Abraham Lincoln's

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Speaker 2: famous quote, if you read it on the internet, it

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Speaker 2: must be true. Five fifty six fifty five krc D

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Speaker 2: Joe Streker where he belongs. All he's gotta be taken

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Speaker 2: Monday off on miss him. Sean McMahon's going to cover

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Speaker 2: for him, and uh, that's a decent thing. Can't do

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Speaker 2: the show without Joe. Joe LINENEP guest coming up in

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Speaker 2: one hour seven oh five. Congressman Warren Davidson. Is the

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Speaker 2: government finally reopened, It appears to be. Some are calling

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Speaker 2: it a capitulation on the part of the Republicans. Some

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Speaker 2: are saying that Democrats didn't get anything they really wanted,

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Speaker 2: and it looks like the whole thing was a long

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Speaker 2: protract the pain for the TSA agents and others who

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Speaker 2: weren't getting a paycheck that will ultimately end us back

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Speaker 2: in square one. ICE will ultimately be funded through reconciliation bill,

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Speaker 2: even though it wasn't funded in this two prong agreement

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Speaker 2: that they entered into yesterday, and when they come back

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Speaker 2: from vacation, the representatives and senators apparently this is the

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Speaker 2: direction it's going to go. So once you get this through,

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Speaker 2: then you do budget reconciliation to refund ice at whatever

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Speaker 2: levels they want to fund them out, and that rollin

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Speaker 2: requires like fifty one votes, so at least that's the

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Speaker 2: way it's set up as I understand it. Congressman Warren

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Speaker 2: Davidson will shed more light on that. We'll also talk

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Speaker 2: about whether or not the airport lines are going to

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Speaker 2: be gone, and Donald Trump's speech to the nation and

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Speaker 2: the world yesterday. We'll get some of the details out

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Speaker 2: in the moment. Are we gonna send ground troops there

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Speaker 2: or not? Russ Neville, brother of a police chief, Thiji

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Speaker 2: at seven point thirty. He's got a couple of words

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Speaker 2: to say about that report that was released inadequate. I

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Speaker 2: think that's a word that sums at all up. Judge

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Speaker 2: Andrew King, he's running for a Himo Supreme Court. He'll

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Speaker 2: join the pro an eighto five, and then we hear

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Speaker 2: from iHeartMedia aviation expert Jay Ratliffe, as we do every

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Speaker 2: Wednesday at eight or Thursday at eight thirty. So that's

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Speaker 2: coming up in the morning show. If you can't listen live

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Speaker 2: the fifty five krs Morning Show. Over to the speech.

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Speaker 2: I'st that congratulations to the astronauts and everybody over at

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Speaker 2: NASA for a successful launch. We'll keep our fingers crossed

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Speaker 2: and it bears fruit and nothing happens between now and

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Speaker 2: when the mission is over. Pretty exciting, tense moment. As

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Speaker 2: I watched that thing go off, it's really in the

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Speaker 2: back of my mind. It's kept thinking like we're one

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Speaker 2: second away from some catastrophe. Also did have the idea

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Speaker 2: that terrorism might be involved. Fortunately none of that came

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Speaker 2: to fruition. We've got a successful launch. God bless America.

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Speaker 2: Thanks everybody came to listener lunch yesterday. Liberty Collective folks

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Speaker 2: everybody shows up in a listener to lunch. We'll do

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Speaker 2: it again first Wednesday and next month. Back over to

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Speaker 2: the last night's speech from Trump. You can fast forward

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Speaker 2: a little bit he congratulated the team at NASA. Of course,

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Speaker 2: right out of the gate, he thanked the troops for

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Speaker 2: the work that they have been doing in the Operation

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Speaker 2: Epic Fury, which is a good thing to do. And

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Speaker 2: then he spoke to the entire world in the nation,

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Speaker 2: it's sort of the providing the justifications for this. It

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Speaker 2: is I would argue a war. Iran is a sovereign nation.

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Speaker 2: It's got a flag. Unlike the proxy wars, when they hire,

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Speaker 2: you know, terrorists to do the dirty work for them,

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Speaker 2: that's kind of a different thing. This is the problem

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Speaker 2: we face with the authorization. He used the military force

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Speaker 2: to go after the terrorists in the Middle East, which

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Speaker 2: provided the vehicle for the Afghanistan invasion and all of that.

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Speaker 2: Going after a terrorist is different than going after nation states.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a profound legal difference. But moving away

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Speaker 2: from that into the Trump's comments, so he outlined all

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Speaker 2: the reasons why Iran deserved to be bombed, why Operation

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Speaker 2: Epic Fury is necessary for the safety of America and

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Speaker 2: the security of the free world. He said, from the

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Speaker 2: very first day I announced my campaign for president, back

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Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, I vowed that I would never allow

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Speaker 2: Ron to have a nuclear weapon. The fanatical regime has

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Speaker 2: been chanting death to America, death to Israel for forty

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Speaker 2: seven years. That's the truth. Proxies. Yes, the proxies were

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Speaker 2: behind the murder of two hundred and forty one Americans,

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Speaker 2: and the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut, slaughter of hundreds

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Speaker 2: of our service members of roadside bombs, the attack on

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Speaker 2: the USS Coal carried out countless other heinous acts, including

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Speaker 2: the blood just horrible, bloody atrocities of October seventh in Israel. Again,

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Speaker 2: proxies did it. Murder's regime killed forty five thousand of

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Speaker 2: their own people, although some observers are noted that's a

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Speaker 2: figure that's much higher than anybody else had heard. Whatever

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Speaker 2: he's exaggerating, they killed a lot of their own protesters

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Speaker 2: in their own country, their own citizens. Except to these terrorists,

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Speaker 2: to have nuclear weapons could be an intolerable threat, most

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Speaker 2: violent and thuggish regime on Earth would be free to

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Speaker 2: carry out their campaigns, a terror, coercion, conquest, a mass

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Speaker 2: murder from behind the nuclear shield. That's a valid point

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Speaker 2: to make, And I keep going back to the factor.

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Speaker 2: Ron wants a nuclear shield, so it isn't bombed and

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Speaker 2: threatened anymore. It works for North Korea, it works for

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Speaker 2: all the other nuclear powers. Nobody's going after Russian bombing them.

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Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party is a much bigger threat to us

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Speaker 2: in the world than any other country on the planet

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Speaker 2: that they have bombs, So we don't go after them.

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Speaker 2: Rapidly building up new islands in disputed territories in the South,

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Speaker 2: in the South China Sea. Whose land is that? Who's well?

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Speaker 2: Some say the Philippines. Chinese say no, they have aspirations

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Speaker 2: for Taiwan. Taiwanese have something to say about that. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: We're not going after them. They have arms anyway, fast forward,

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Speaker 2: he said. My first preference was always the path of diplomacy.

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Speaker 2: Yet the regime continued the relentless quest for nuclear weapons,

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Speaker 2: rejected every attempt in an agreement. For this reason. In June,

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Speaker 2: I heard to the strike of Iran's key nuclear facilities

741
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Speaker 2: in Operation Midnight Hammer. So they're also rapidly building a

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Speaker 2: ASSTOC pile of conventional ballistic missiles, which are on full

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Speaker 2: display now, aren't they, And we'll soon have had missiles

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Speaker 2: that could reach American homeland, Europe and virtually all of

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Speaker 2: other places on Earth. Well, they might have ones that

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Speaker 2: reach Europe already, since we found out during this conflict

747
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Speaker 2: that wow, those rockets go twenty five hundred miles. That's

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Speaker 2: beyond anything we even knew. They had set proofs Trump

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Speaker 2: right on that line, he stayed announcement of Operation Epic

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Speaker 2: Fury objectives are very simple and clear. We are systematically

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Speaker 2: systematically dismantling the regime's ability to threaten America or project

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Speaker 2: power outside of their borders. So he points out what

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Speaker 2: that means is, well, they eliminated the Navy, the Air Force,

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Speaker 2: much of the missile program, annihilated the defense industrial base

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Speaker 2: with all this relentless campaign of bombings, and we have

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Speaker 2: accomplished a lot. And that's his point at highlighting this.

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Speaker 2: The actions, he says, cripple Iran's military, crush their ability

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Speaker 2: to support terrorist proxies, and deny them the ability to

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Speaker 2: build a nuclear bomb. So we are at that point.

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Speaker 2: But where are we relative to what Iran is go

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Speaker 2: going to be after we leave, if we leave regime

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Speaker 2: change Now, we'll get to that in a moment. He

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Speaker 2: thanks the allies in the Middle East, Israel, Saudi Arabia,

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Speaker 2: Cutter and United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Bahrain. He said

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Speaker 2: they're great. He said they're not going He's not gonna

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Speaker 2: let them get hurt in any way. Of course, he's

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Speaker 2: trying to shore up Middle Eastern support to get rid

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Speaker 2: of Iran, which a lot of them are now saying

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Speaker 2: they want to do. Said. The short term increase entirely

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Speaker 2: the result of this, the rise in gasoline prices, is

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Speaker 2: what he's referring to. He said that it's short term,

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Speaker 2: and he blamed the Iranians completely because they started launching

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Speaker 2: what he called deranged terror attacks against commercial oil tankers

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Speaker 2: and neighboring countries that have nothing to do with the conflict.

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Speaker 2: Why are you bombing the United Arab Emirates. They don't

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Speaker 2: have anything to do with this. This is the United States action,

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Speaker 2: it's Israel's action. Why are they bombing them? Hoping to

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Speaker 2: shore up support for the Arab nations. He says, we

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Speaker 2: as a country have never been prepared more economically to

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Speaker 2: confront this threat, planning and pointing out on the gas line,

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Speaker 2: we have plenty of gas. And I think this is

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Speaker 2: a very loud and very clear message to our European

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Speaker 2: allies and countries like Australia who've gone full green to

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Speaker 2: their detriment, putting them in a very precarious position given

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Speaker 2: the operations unfolding the cut shutting down the Strait of

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Speaker 2: Horror Moves. Says, hey, America's got plenty of grass gas.

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Speaker 2: We're the number one producer of oil and gas on

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Speaker 2: the planet. He said. We produce more oil and gas

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Speaker 2: than Saudi Arabia and Russia combined, which is pretty wild,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. Said the United States imports nothing through the

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Speaker 2: Strait of Horror moves, and we won't be taking any

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Speaker 2: in the future because, as he said, we don't need it.

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Speaker 2: We haven't needed it, we don't need it. He points out,

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Speaker 2: Ron's been decimated both military and economically and in every

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Speaker 2: other way, and ergo. Countries of the world that do

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Speaker 2: get their oil through straight off or moves must take

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Speaker 2: care of that passage. He said, they could do it easily.

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Speaker 2: We Americans will be helpful, but they those other countries

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Speaker 2: European Union should take the lead in protecting the oil

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Speaker 2: that they so desperately depend on. I think he pulled

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Speaker 2: a few punches on that one. So those countries that

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Speaker 2: can't get fuel, many of which refuse to get involved

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Speaker 2: in the decapitation of Iran. We had to do it ourselves.

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Speaker 2: I have a suggestion. Number one, bi oil from the

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Speaker 2: United States of America. We have plenty and to build

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Speaker 2: up some delayed courage. Should have done it before, should

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Speaker 2: have done it with us, as we asked. Go to

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Speaker 2: the Strait and just take it, protect it, use it

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Speaker 2: for yourselves. We've already decimated around. The hard part's done,

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Speaker 2: so this should be easy, he said. Then he pointed

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Speaker 2: out when the conflict is over, he claimed, the Strait's

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Speaker 2: going to open up naturally, gas prices will naturally come

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Speaker 2: quickly down, and we'll all be happily happy ever after.

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Speaker 2: But he said, we are on track to complete all

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Speaker 2: of America's military objectives very shortly. We're going to hit

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Speaker 2: them extremely hard over the next couple of weeks, two

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Speaker 2: to three weeks, specifically bombing them back into the Stone Age.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, he claimed, discussions are ongoing, and here's

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Speaker 2: an interesting statement from the president. Regime change was not

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Speaker 2: our goal. We never said regime change. But regime change

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Speaker 2: has occurred because all the original leaders are now dead.

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Speaker 2: Claims this new group is less radical and much more reasonable. However,

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Speaker 2: the Iranians do have something to say encounter to that

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Speaker 2: his perception his statement last night. But he did say,

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Speaker 2: and here's the trouble and component for me, if there

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Speaker 2: is no deal, we are going to hit each and

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Speaker 2: every one of their electric generating plants very hard and

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Speaker 2: probably simultaneously. And he did say, listen, we haven't hit

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Speaker 2: their oil. That's the easiest target because it would not

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Speaker 2: give them even a small chance of survival or rebuilding. Well,

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Speaker 2: there was a component of that with the civilian Iranian population.

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Speaker 2: If you go knock out all of their electricity, I

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Speaker 2: think you're going to have a pretty outraged Iranian population

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Speaker 2: of that. And I'm not the only one that's concluded that.

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of concern over that. But maybe

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Speaker 2: that will be enough leverage, the threat of doing that

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Speaker 2: to get them to the table. We will all wait

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Speaker 2: patiently for that. One said, keep the whole thing in

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Speaker 2: conflict and perspective. Everyone pointed out that all these other

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Speaker 2: wars that have drug on for years. You said, we're

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Speaker 2: in this military operation. We've only been doing it for

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Speaker 2: thirty two days, and the country has already been eviscerated

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Speaker 2: and is no longer a threat, so basically claiming victory

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Speaker 2: along a bunch of different lines, but leading us to

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Speaker 2: question and leaving the Iranian regime to question mark where

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Speaker 2: they're going to go from this point forward. Anyway, largely

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Speaker 2: viewed as a reasonable speech. Six seventeen Right now fifty

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Speaker 2: by the mayor and council, prioritization is critical. Now they're

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Speaker 2: getting ready to cut a bunch of money from the

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Speaker 2: police department. We got this ridiculous report about Police Chief

859
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Speaker 2: Dji coming up trying to come up with the reason

860
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: why they fired her put her on administrative leave. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Fortunately we are going to get these comments from Russ Neville,

862
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: her brother, also a member of law enforcement. He'll be

863
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: in studio at seven thirty to talk about that, But

864
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: I want to pivot over considering prioritization, what's important to

865
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: the residents of the City of Cincinnati. And oh look,

866
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Speaker 2: low end, behold newschunks dot com. That was where the

867
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Speaker 2: article came from, posted on Facebook by one of the

868
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Uh. Well, since I love Cincinnati posts, Joe Streker

869
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: knows all about that one. Anyway, what's priority for the

870
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati. Par Last Wednesday, the City of Sincenay,

871
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: described as a significant stride toward inclusivity, approved twelve members

872
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: who are now going to be serving on the brand new,

873
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: newly established Are You Ready lgbtqia Plus Commission. According to

874
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: the Reporter report by Daniel Mercer in this website, initiative

875
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: aims who provide city officials with informed advice on policies

876
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 2: impacting the lgbtqia plus community within the city. Commissions set

877
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: to focus on addressing legal challenges faced by transgender individuals

878
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: and development of spaces that are welcoming to all members

879
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: of the LGBTQIA plus community. Huh. And the article points

880
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: out who's been appointed to the commission, It doesn't really

881
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: say a whole lot about what this thing is supposed

882
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: to do, which is a legitimate question to do what

883
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: some suggest Wait a minute, all of this relates to

884
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: sexual proclivities, going back to my Lufa story from the

885
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: villages in Florida. Mean, okay, do we need to have

886
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: any care connection concerned about what you're doing behind closed

887
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: the doors and an article in the status too, But

888
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: if you have sex outside, you're gonna get arrested for

889
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: Loutlessivia's conduct and maybe for exposing yourself to young people. No,

890
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: you don't do that. They had to go through what

891
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 2: this means. We all know what L is lesbian, g's gay,

892
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: be as bisexual. See, that's where you start getting into

893
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: specific sexual proclivities. Well, certainly is with gay and lesbian

894
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: people who are transgender, those who are gender identified differs

895
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: from their sex assigned at birth. That one has nothing

896
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: to do with sexuality, because I suppose if you're a

897
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: guy who believes himself to be a woman as your

898
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: embodiment psychological embodiment of a woman, you could still be

899
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 2: attracted to women. So you have guy parts, you're attracted women.

900
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 2: That just means to me you're ST's eat. But whatever,

901
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 2: queer questioning this is one that's always puzzled me. Described

902
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: as an umbrella term for non normative identities, questioning refers

903
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: to those exploring their sexual orientation or gender identity. Questioning,

904
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what I like to have sex with? Again,

905
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: a question that should have nothing to do with the

906
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 2: functioning of city government. What is I intersex? People born

907
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: with sex characteristics that do not fit typical male or

908
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: female definitions. Oh wait a second, there's a typical male

909
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: or female definition? Is that maybe where science centers into it,

910
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: with chromosomal biological reality factoring in. I still don't know

911
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 2: what that means. A is asexual or a romantic individual

912
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: experiencing little nose sexual or romantic attraction. So the complete

913
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: absence of sex, You're still talking about sexuality and what

914
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: that means. And I'm thinking about this all obviously within

915
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: the context of talking about this with young people, or

916
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: even the idea that government function is going to be

917
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: allocated to this committee, whether or not any dollars flow

918
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: to it, so we can what protect the sexuality of

919
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: people we shouldn't even know quite candidly do it behind doors.

920
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: And then there's this plus sign, which you know may

921
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: include heterosexual white guys like me, I don't know signifies

922
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 2: other identities, which at least in some definitions includes ten sexual,

923
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: gender fluid, non binary, But it's a nonspecific plus other identities.

924
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: So go ahead, my heterosexual friends, feel free to put

925
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: yourself into the group. Maybe join the organization. We need

926
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: more heterosexual people within the plus category, maybe to provide

927
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: a sense of logic and reason to these people that

928
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: think we need to know and discuss and have protections

929
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: for what they're supposed to be doing exclusively behind closed

930
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: doors six twenty seven. Right now, if you I have

931
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Speaker 2: k see the talk station for an exchange six point

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Speaker 2: thirty two, can I abou kercity talk station five three

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Speaker 2: seven four nine fifty five hundred, eight hundred eight two

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Speaker 2: three talk found five fifty On eighteen Chief found the

935
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Speaker 2: police Chief DD's brother Russ Neville, part of the very

936
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Speaker 2: story law enforcement family here in the city of sin Sain.

937
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Speaker 2: He's going to join the program in one hour to

938
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Speaker 2: get his reaction to the well the one sided report

939
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 2: is how he characterized it, mythical narrative. Russ said, extremely

940
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 2: upset names associated with a report showing nothing but negative

941
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: When he talked to people who apparently said positive things

942
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: to the investigators for this report. How come that stuff

943
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: isn't in there? How come that was left out? We'll

944
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: get the details from Russ coming up in an hour

945
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: three four fifty fire two three. Talk back over to

946
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 2: local stories. We've got an over in the Rhine. Man

947
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Speaker 2: now accused of stabbing someone in the neck happen on

948
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Speaker 2: Vine Street Tuesday. Police city was followed by the victim

949
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 2: and defending himself. Kevin Phillips, forty eight years old, charged

950
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Speaker 2: with felonious assault in the March thirty first stabbing at

951
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: Imagination Alley four in the afternoon near the Imagine Peace

952
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: and Unity Archway. That's interesting is that irony Phillips told

953
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: police the victim and approached him first corner to the

954
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: rest documents. He said, the victim told him quote, let's

955
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: settle this now close quote before squaring up and starting

956
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: to fight him. Phillips told police he then poked the

957
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 2: victim in the neck with a knife and the fight

958
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: was over. Man taking a local hospital with serious injuries.

959
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 2: Since they police said, the condition of the man not

960
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 2: immediately available as of yesterday morning. Phillips attorney Steve Wenke

961
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: said during his client's arraignment Hamilton County Municipal Court that

962
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: it was quote true self defense situation. Whenkiy said Phillips

963
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: called the police after the stabbing to report it, he

964
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: said the Phillips also tried in recent months to get

965
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: a temporary protective order against the victim because he was

966
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: in afraid of him. Whenky said, He's done numerous things

967
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: to avoid this situation. He was in fear for himself

968
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: and of the end of the defendant. Prosecutors agree there

969
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 2: is a self defense claim in the case, but asked

970
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: for a high bond because Phillips used a weapon in

971
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 2: the incident and as a prior record, Hey, Joe priors

972
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: used the weapon. I thought that was typically resulting in

973
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: an automatic own recognizance bond no cash ball. Anyhow, victim

974
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 2: told police that Phillips has stabbed him before. Over Musicipal

975
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: Court Judge Jackie Giocchio said Phillips bond at one hundred

976
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and he of course remains in custody at

977
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: the Hamilton County Justice Center, Liberty Township, where we were

978
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: yesterday for listener lunch. Sadly, two people are dead after

979
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: an apparent murdered suicide happened at Liberty Township. According to

980
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 2: the Butler County Sheriff's Office, almost three pm Wednesday, Oaks

981
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: Lane forty four hundred block deputy showed up for a

982
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: welfare check. They were called to the residence after the

983
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: resident's son in law called authority saying he had not

984
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 2: heard from them in the last couple of days. Deputies

985
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: entered through the garage where they found a deceased seventy

986
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: two year old woman on the couch with a gunshot

987
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: wound and a deceased seventy year old man lying on

988
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: the floor. Thoriti's also said they found a deceased dog

989
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: in the living room, claiming the incident appeared to be

990
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 2: a murder's suicide. However, the investigation is ongoing. That's tragic.

991
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: Six thirty five right now fifty five KERR CED talk station.

992
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: Stick around. Feel free to give me a call. Light

993
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: on phone calls this morning. You do have a lot

994
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: to talk about, beginning with Congressman Warren Davidson in the

995
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: seven o'clock hour. Wall to wall guests for the balance

996
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: of the show. So we've got some time between now

997
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: and then, got all the stories to talk about for that,

998
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: but let's talk about Chimney Care, fireplace and stove since

999
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: nineteen talk station at sixo forty coming up a six

1000
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: forty one and fifty five KERCD talk station, trying to

1001
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: have a happy Friday Eve. Congressman Davidson, russ Neville cleave

1002
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: the chiefs FIG's brother. He'll be in citdio's thirty after

1003
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: the Congressman Davidson. And then we have Judge Andrew King

1004
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: who's running for Supreme Court at eight five and Jay Ratler,

1005
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: my buddy Jay at eight thirty with the aviation report.

1006
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: Supreme Court didn't seem real, you know, thrilled about Donald

1007
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 2: Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship that was in oral

1008
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: argument yesterday a couple hour hearing. Justices suggest that it

1009
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 2: would be difficult to enforce and could strip current citizens

1010
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: of the United States. Obviously having to deal with the

1011
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: breadth of this executive order. Of course, this all relates

1012
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: around the Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause. All persons born or

1013
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 2: naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction

1014
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: thereof are citizens of the United States and of the

1015
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: state wherein they reside. You know, many people just point

1016
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: to that alone, because it's you know, subject to the

1017
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: jurisdiction thereof seems to be the only wiggle room, Like,

1018
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: what does that mean, Well, here's an interesting thought. I

1019
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: don't know that it necessarily came up during oral arguments yesterday,

1020
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: again most of the justices expressing skepticism given the history

1021
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: of allowing people who are born here to be automatically

1022
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: to deem citizens under the fourteenth Amendment. But that's section one.

1023
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: There's apportionment thing in section two, there's a section three

1024
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 2: and a four. Public debt is even addressed in section

1025
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: four of Article fourteen. But then you get to section five.

1026
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: It's one sentence, the Congress shall have the power to enforce,

1027
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. And that's

1028
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: where some of the comments of Alan Dershowitz come in.

1029
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: He's like, wait a second, you guys are missing the point.

1030
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: They said, there's not a case where the Supreme Court

1031
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 2: gets the last word. The Fourteenth Amendment ends with the

1032
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 2: following statement, the one I just read you. Congress shall

1033
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislations, the provision

1034
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 2: of this article, he said, And so Congress has the

1035
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: power to decide who is subject to the jurisdiction of

1036
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: the United States. Now that's it's an interesting look at it,

1037
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: he said, of congres would have passed a law saying

1038
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: the people who come for birth tourism or who just

1039
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: passed through the United States are not subject to the

1040
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: jurisdiction of the country. Then the fourteenth Amendment doesn't grant

1041
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: them citizenship, he said. Now on either side wants that result.

1042
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: Both sides want an extreme result so that neither side

1043
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: argued sensibility for a solemn, manic solution which would divide

1044
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: the baby, literally the tourist baby in half. He said,

1045
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 2: if they live in the United States, if they spend

1046
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: time here, if they were really subject to the laws

1047
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: of the United States, and yes they're citizens. But if

1048
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: they just pass through, he observes, then Congress can say no,

1049
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: they're not. So the Supreme Court may not get the

1050
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: last word, said, I suspect we may see a decision

1051
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: that says, look, the President does not have the authority,

1052
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: so his executive order is not constitutional, but Congress does.

1053
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 2: And then the ball is thrown back into the court

1054
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: of Congress to see whether they can pass the legislation

1055
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 2: deciding who is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,

1056
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 2: and who isn't. That is an interesting thing that I

1057
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 2: had never heard before. And that's my failure, I guess,

1058
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: because I never bothered go through all five provisions of

1059
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: the fourteenth Amendment, because after you get through number one,

1060
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 2: it seems to move away from that whole concept. But

1061
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: they're in number five of the US Constitution for Article fourteenth,

1062
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: Section five. So maybe the fat lady will not have sung.

1063
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: I do agree with Derschwitz, and I agree with all

1064
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: the other observers who heard the arguments yesterday saying it

1065
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: doesn't look good for Donald Trump's executive order. There's some

1066
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: case law on that, but there has been no effort,

1067
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: as I understand it, by Congress to ever define that,

1068
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Speaker 2: no legislation relating to the Fourteenth Amendment's definition of subject

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00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: to the jurisdiction. So for those out there, the one

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00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: to end birthright citizenship, I suppose there's a little glimmer

1071
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: of hope for you out there. It's going to be

1072
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: months before the decision is handed down, so we'll have

1073
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: some time to think about this, and maybe the Supreme

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00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: Court will in fact incorporate that argument into their ultimate opinion.

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00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: I kind of hope they do. Six forty five fifty

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00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: five Carro Seedy Talk Station, bout Herbert Motor Talk Station.

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00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: At six fifty fifty five Carro City Talks Station, Friday

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00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: Eve Irson, Warren Davidson at the top of the hour,

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00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: news and meantimes over the phones phones phone number if

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00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: you want to call, like Bobby, We're gonna get the

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00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: Bobby here five one, three, seven four nine fifty hundred

1082
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: eight two three talk Bobby, Welcome back to the morning show,

1083
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: and happy Friday even to you, sir.

1084
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 4: Well, happy Friday Eve, my brother, faith, flag, family, and

1085
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 4: whatever you do. Don't shoot the bummy this weekend. It's

1086
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 4: handy camp Thursday.

1087
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: Handicap Thursday. Over and under. Last week was a four

1088
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: point five, wasn't it?

1089
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, it went way over.

1090
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: It went way over. And Bobby, of course, if you

1091
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: just tuning in, Bobby calls and gives us the over

1092
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: and under prediction almost every Thursday on how many people

1093
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: are going is it? Is it shot or murdered in

1094
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: city since that either one.

1095
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 4: Stabbed, Stabo beat down to all the physical.

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00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: Physical violence, yeah, okay, physical viole. So you're at you're

1097
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: at where this week?

1098
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 4: Well, we want to be kind of conservative, since it's

1099
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 4: the holiday weekend, it's supposed to be nice and pretty,

1100
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 4: but we're putting it at five.

1101
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: All right, five. I guess some people might be wondering

1102
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: what's the payoff on this?

1103
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 4: Well, it depends on how much you want to wager. Now, see,

1104
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 4: we do have one little opportunity for people. It's one

1105
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 4: thousand dollars cash every Saturday. If you just go ahead

1106
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 4: and walk the street to Cincinnati Monday through Friday for

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00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 4: four hours a day, and we'll give you one thousand

1108
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 4: dollars at the end of the week.

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00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: Is this a SOURUS, A SOURUS funded operation, Bobby?

1110
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 4: No, this is a Maintain Almighty God's America funding operation.

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00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: Are you being serious, Bobby, because you're sounding very serious.

1112
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: So are you actually saying there's an opportunity or someone

1113
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 2: to make a thousand dollars doing exactly what you just said?

1114
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: And if so, where might people take advantage of that? Bobby?

1115
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 4: You make two hundred dollars a day. All you have

1116
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 4: to do is walk the streets of Cincinnati for four

1117
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 4: hours a day. I'll give you the route, I'll give

1118
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 4: you the times. If you make it to the end

1119
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 4: of the week, it's give a thousand cash because you're

1120
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 4: getting two hundred dollars a day to walk the street

1121
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 4: for four hours a day.

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01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: And you're saying, make it to the end of the

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Speaker 2: week without being assaulted, attacked, otherwise physically impaired or physically bothered. Yes,

1124
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: so it's coming out of your pocket, Bob. I'm being

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01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to be serious about this, because sometimes you

1126
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: know you're serious.

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01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 4: We got we got people that that but that love it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know we have we. Okay, who's the we

1129
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 2: that one of my listeners is going, Hey, give me

1130
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: an opportunity. I'll do that.

1131
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 8: Where do they go, Bobby, We're like blades of grass,

1132
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 8: my friends, anybody that wants to get involved.

1133
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 4: Now, it's not if we pick the time.

1134
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: I'm not denying by Bobby. I'm taking you on at

1135
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: your at your word. How what is the mechanism? Don't

1136
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: tell me that it's out there and we're leaves in

1137
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: the wind or blades of grass in the field. That

1138
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 2: doesn't tell anybody how to take advantage of this potential

1139
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: to get a thousand bucks.

1140
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 4: I hate for them to have to call me though.

1141
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna have to come up with a mechanism

1142
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: because you're just saying it doesn't really provide any bar

1143
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 2: any fruit if no one knows where to go to

1144
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: take advantage of what you're offering. So you work on

1145
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: iron out the details. Get a website, get a neutral

1146
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 2: phone number that people can call, get some give them

1147
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: some way to get in touch with you, Bobby. Otherwise,

1148
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, just because you say it doesn't necessarily make

1149
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: it true. Like the Abraham Lincoln quote about what you

1150
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: read on the internet.

1151
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 4: I'll show you some pictures.

1152
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: I don't want pictures. You hear you, hear what I'm saying, Bobby,

1153
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 2: I'm not being confusing. I want to I want to

1154
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 2: walk the streets of Cincinnati next week. I want to

1155
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 2: take advantage and get a thousand dollars.

1156
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 4: That sounds good, but I have I'll give you the day,

1157
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 4: the routes, and the times.

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01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: Bobby, don't don't deny you're missing the point here, because

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01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: I at least have your phone number. You'll pick up

1160
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: my call because you have before. But you see, of course,

1161
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: Fred or maybe Mississippi James who showed up at at

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01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: listener lunch yesterday. Maybe he's out there going I'll take

1163
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars. Maybe Tom and he gets on Vaca

1164
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: back from vacation or Jay.

1165
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 4: Or you know.

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01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: Listen, got a lot of listeners that might need the

1167
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: extra cash. You're gonna have to figure a way out

1168
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 2: of getting them in touch with you. So we'll see

1169
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,439
Speaker 2: if you really literally make good on that and put

1170
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: people to the test on whether they're willing to put

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01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: their life on the line merely walking the streets of Cincinnati.

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01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 4: Once you all have you details in place by Monday morning.

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01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 2: You heard it right here on the fifty five Casey

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01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: Morning Show, Bobby, and again the over and under is five.

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01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: You work with Bobby in terms of what you might

1176
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: or might not collect if you get it right. Sadly,

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01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 2: Bobby has been pretty damn accurate with his over and unders,

1178
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: and that's a reflection of the problems we're facing in

1179
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: downtown Cincinnati, which is a wonderful thing to remind me

1180
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: to tell you. Russ Neville Police Chief Fiji's brothers coming

1181
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 2: up at seven thirty will get his reaction to this assessment.

1182
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 2: The Chiefdiji report, which came out the other day uniformly

1183
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: panned in the News six fifty five. Right now, stick

1184
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: around for Congressman Warren Davidson and Russ Neville coming up

1185
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: for the next hour.

1186
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 4: From over there. This war has been one.

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01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 2: To right here, it's seven five, you know. Happy Thursday

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01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 2: to everyone, and a happy welcome back to the fifty

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01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 2: five Faressey Morning Show. Congressman Warren David's becoming a regular

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01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: fixture on this program, and God bless him for spending

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01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: time with my listeners and me. Welcome back, Congressman Davidson.

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01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: Thanks for the opportunity to speak with you this morning.

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01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 9: Oh thank you, Brian.

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01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 4: Great to talk with you.

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01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 2: So who capitulated. I understand that Mike Johnson and Senima

1196
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 2: Jorian leader Johnson have reached an agreement. They will be

1197
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 2: moving forward with a Donald Trump approved I guess two

1198
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:59,439
Speaker 2: track approach, which sounds to me like the Democrats aren't

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01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 2: going to get anything that they were fighting and closing

1200
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: the government over funding of ice. There's not going to

1201
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: be funding for ice as I understand it, or parts

1202
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 2: of custom and Border patrol. Everything else gets reopened. And

1203
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 2: then the second tier of this two prong approach is

1204
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 2: for the Republicans, through reconciliation, bringing back the funding for ICE.

1205
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 2: So if it all goes according to plan, reconciliation coally

1206
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: requires fifty one votes in the Senate. So if all

1207
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: goes according to plan, the Democrats don't get anything at

1208
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 2: all by way of ICE reforms, and ICE will ultimately

1209
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: be fully funded under reconciliation. Have I got that right, Congressman, Yeah,

1210
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: that's the plan.

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01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 9: They haven't communicated exactly what the sequence is because you know,

1212
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 9: I think the Senate personally, I think the Senate made

1213
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 9: a huge mistake by funding DHS with no funding not

1214
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 9: just for ICE, but for customs and border patrol, yeah,

1215
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 9: or onland security investigations, which you know, investigates all the

1216
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 9: things related to secure borders and people that are here

1217
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 9: lawfully or unlawfully in everything else. So, I mean, that's

1218
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 9: a crazy proposition. So you know, I don't think that

1219
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 9: they're going to do that again and then say, oh,

1220
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 9: we'll fix it later. I think they're just going to

1221
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 9: be like, well, it's unfunded for now. So you know,

1222
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 9: I had a text message exchange with the Speaker last night.

1223
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 9: We've got a conference call later this morning and we'll

1224
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 9: get a little more clarity there. But you know, I've

1225
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 9: supported reconciliation as the pass since the last shutdown. They're like, oh,

1226
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 9: you guys aren't negotiating. I'm like, no, we are, in

1227
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 9: fact negotiating. But let me show you what not negotiating is, Like,

1228
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 9: this is reconciliation where we don't even need your votes.

1229
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 9: So I'm glad they're finally calling this play call. You know,

1230
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 9: better late than never. And in the meantime, the one

1231
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 9: thing I've really wanted them to do is pass the

1232
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 9: Shutdown Fairness Act, which is, if you're so essential, you've

1233
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 9: got to be at work. The payroll clerk should be

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01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 9: essential to you know, there are some people that aren't

1235
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 9: working and are laid off effectively, you know, vendors that

1236
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 9: aren't getting paid on time, projects that aren't launching, all

1237
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 9: these things. They're consequential when there's a shutdown. But like

1238
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 9: in the private sector, if you had your workers work

1239
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 9: and didn't pay them, it's called payroll theft. Yes, it's

1240
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 9: a crime, and people go to jail for it and

1241
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 9: they should.

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01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, I it's a logical, reasonable, seemingly bipartisan solution to

1243
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 2: this problem. So we ensure that people get paid. How

1244
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 2: about the Shutdown Fairness Act? Is there any opposition to

1245
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: it conceptually, Congressman Davidson, because that seems me to be

1246
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 2: a no brainer much in the same way, and I

1247
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: think you'll get bipartisan support for at least people when

1248
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 2: they talk to the media, Republicans and Democrats seemingly willing

1249
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: to hold up their own paychecks when the government shuts

1250
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 2: down because it's simply a matter of fairness. Since they're

1251
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 2: the ones that prevent the paychecks from going out, they

1252
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 2: should suffer as much as people not getting a paycheck.

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01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, that's that's we haven't We don't know

1254
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 9: for sure where the opposition is because the leadership of

1255
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 9: the House and Senate haven't put it on the floor.

1256
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 9: My understanding is in negotiations, Democrats don't like it because

1257
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 9: it gives, you know, Republicans leverage, and it gives the

1258
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:12,959
Speaker 9: president discretion to decide who's essential and not essential. And

1259
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 9: they also don't like that there's a variation that everyone

1260
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 9: would still get paid because that takes away their leverage,

1261
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 9: and that just tells you they're using the workers as

1262
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 9: leveraging their negotiations. And meanwhile, the people that are using

1263
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 9: the leverage are still getting paid themselves. So it's a

1264
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 9: really sick system.

1265
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Speaker 4: I think it.

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Speaker 9: Should be illegal at least, you know there could be shutdowns.

1267
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 9: I'm like, okay, that stuff could happen. And you're negotiating

1268
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 9: over something and you say, I don't know, I don't

1269
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 9: think we need to keep funding the IRS, for example,

1270
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 9: so everyone's furloughed. But as you're negotiating over that, fine,

1271
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 9: But if somebody is essential and we know, look, you're

1272
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 9: not going to send the federal prison guards home. They're

1273
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 9: going to need to keep guarding the federal prison. You

1274
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 9: should have to pay those people who are working now,

1275
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 9: not someday. And they do all get paid someday, which

1276
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 9: makes this other thing stupid because you have people that

1277
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 9: are not even coming in and they too get paid eventually.

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01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: Yes, well, this cold concept discretion. I'm thinking along the

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Speaker 2: lines of the nuclear option as well. Democrats may be

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Speaker 2: against this discretion and keeping people funded because Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: or the Trump administration would have control over that, but hey,

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Speaker 2: don't they anticipate taking over control of Congress down the road.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it then be their discretion to decide what does

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Speaker 2: and what doesn't get paid. I mean, it's like nuclear option.

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Speaker 2: Democrat Republicans seem reluctant to do away with the sixty

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Speaker 2: vote threshold in the Senate because, oh my god, there

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Speaker 2: will be another Democrat administration. We'll just railroad through all

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Speaker 2: their woke, crazy policies. So do we really want to

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Speaker 2: go down that road? Now? They may very well do

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Speaker 2: that anyway if they take back over Congress. But isn't

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Speaker 2: that the point if both sides ultimately get the discretion

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Speaker 2: that they're looking for, if this either hurts both sides

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Speaker 2: or better, if it's both sides, just a question of

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Speaker 2: time when the parties flip.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's just neither side wants to be the one

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Speaker 9: to do it, except that, you know, Democrats, you know,

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Speaker 9: this is a you know, analgae you to the Americans,

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Speaker 9: We're the ones hiding behind rocks and trees in the revolution,

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Speaker 9: and the British were the ones wearing bright red uniforms,

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Speaker 9: marching out in the open fields and down the roads.

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Speaker 9: And you know, why are the Republicans fighting like the British?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we should be.

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Speaker 9: Willing to do what it takes to win here too,

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Speaker 9: And it seems like the consistent thing is Democrats are

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01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 9: willing to use every tool possible to advance their agenda

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01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 9: and Republicans are like, well, it's not very supporting to

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01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 9: do it that way, you know, which is you know, no,

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01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 9: we said we would do this. We should find a

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01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 9: way to win and do the things we said we

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Speaker 9: would do. So I've encouraged that President Trump is putting

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01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 9: pressure on the House and Senate to say, look, you

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Speaker 9: guys need to get together, do reconciliation and get me

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Speaker 9: a build, funds everything. And you say better late than ever.

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Speaker 9: I wish we had called this playback in you know,

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Speaker 9: September October, when we had this whole blow up overfunding

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Speaker 9: homeland security.

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Speaker 2: Well and nothing in this proposed resolution, this two prong

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Speaker 2: approach resolution that will put the Save Act in what

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01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 2: happened to the Save America Act. Congressman Davidson, we.

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Speaker 9: Have a weak Senate. I mean, that's what happened to

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01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 9: the Save America Act. They don't want to vote on it.

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Speaker 9: There are some Republican senators that don't support it, allegedly,

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Speaker 9: but they're hiding. They don't come out. They don't have

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01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 9: to vote, and they haven't even had to vote on

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Speaker 9: a proxy for it, on real cloture for sixty votes

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Speaker 9: and Culture isn't really a vote on the underlying issue.

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Speaker 9: You could vote, oh yeah, we should have a vote

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01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 9: on the floor knowing that Democrats are going to kill it,

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Speaker 9: and you don't have to go on record for the

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Speaker 9: actual position. So I think that you know, there's a

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Speaker 9: hand full of Senators who've said, oh, we can do

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01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 9: that in reconciliation too, but that's not true. Recopilation spends money.

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Speaker 9: You can either raise or lower taxes. You can increase

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Speaker 9: or decrease spending, you know, in aggregate or in little

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Speaker 9: granular ways about increased funding for ice, for example. But

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01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 9: you can't do policy. There's something called the bird rule

1337
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 9: and it always gets taken out when you try to

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01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 9: make policy. So they know that, and so I think

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01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 9: they're gas letting people when they say, oh, we can

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Speaker 9: fix this and say in reconciliation.

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Speaker 2: So is this to suggest that CENTI majority leader Thuon

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01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 2: is protecting these wavering Republicans by not bringing it to

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01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: the floor for a vote, because at minimum, we should

1344
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 2: want to know where the Senators are on this vitally

1345
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 2: important issue. I mean, put it up for a vote.

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01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: If the Republicans that want to vote against it, let

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01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 2: them be on record. And doing it. But Thuon is

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01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,799
Speaker 2: protecting them for that, isn't he in a very important

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Speaker 2: election year.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that's exactly it. And he's protecting them

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01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 9: on a lot of votes. And yeah, here's the other thing. Look,

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01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 9: I mean, scorecards are hard to say. You know, anyone

1353
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 9: vote you know, it doesn't you don't You could record, Hey,

1354
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 9: our position as an organization is everyone should have voted

1355
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,839
Speaker 9: yes on this bill. But you don't get like an

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01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 9: essays where you say why you voted no or yes whatever.

1357
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 9: It's just yes or no on the on the bill.

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Speaker 9: So any one particular score, you know, might be hard

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01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,839
Speaker 9: to measure something, but when you've got dozens and dozens

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01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 9: of votes over time, it's at least directionally right as

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01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 9: to whether somebody is more or less conservative, you know,

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01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 9: aligned with the Republican agenda. Most conservatives will score, you know,

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01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 9: in the nineties on a lot of these scorecards. But

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Speaker 9: there's like fifteen Republican senators that are scoring f's on

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01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 9: these scorecards. And you know, to be fair, there's a

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Speaker 9: range between like Susan Collins who's getting at twenty percent

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01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 9: and you know, like Leader Thune who's getting about a

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01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 9: fifty percent, So you know there's a range where they're not.

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Speaker 9: You know, Reagana, You know, I want somebody to be

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01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 9: with me eighty percent of the time. We've got a

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Speaker 9: pretty significant chunk of the Senate that's with us barely

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Speaker 9: fifty percent of the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course scorecards are important to pay attention to.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Congressman Davidson, you like me and my

1376
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 2: listening audience, we tend to be weed dwellers and do

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01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: pay attention to that. But when it comes time to November elections,

1378
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Speaker 2: I wonder how many people to go into the ballot

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01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 2: box are even aware that there is a thing called

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01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 2: a scorecard on any given issue. Let's continue with congress

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01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 2: Warren Davidson. We've talked about whether the long lines at

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01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,759
Speaker 2: the airports are gone now or and of course Donald

1383
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 2: Trump speaks to the nation about the Awar with Iran stationed.

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Speaker 2: A very happy Friday Eve to you, Congressman Warren Davidson

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01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 2: on the phone. We're talking about the government shutdown. Maybe

1386
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 2: we have a path to end the shutdown. Obviously, the

1387
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 2: shutdowns brought about a heapload of pain on folks, most

1388
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 2: notably those traveling going through airports. And having to stay

1389
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 2: in TSA lines at last hours and hours and hours.

1390
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 2: Why TSA is not getting paid? A lot of them

1391
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: have already quit, many of them not showing up because

1392
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 2: he's got to pursue employment elsewhere. Clearly this has been

1393
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 2: a problem. It's been widely Congressman Davidson. But the abuse

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01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 2: that's been heaped down upon the traveling American public, not

1395
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 2: to mention the TSA agents working without pay, but people

1396
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: are really feeling it. They have missed flights, they've missed vacations,

1397
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 2: they have stood in line and fumed over it. So

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01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 2: this is what our elected officials are willing to meet

1399
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 2: down on the voting public. Question is who's going to

1400
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 2: get blamed for it? Isn't this all about ICE agents

1401
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: and the death of two Americans? They want to change

1402
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: the protocols that ICE agents use when going around and

1403
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 2: picking up and deporting illegal immigrants. So ultimately it's a

1404
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 2: prioritization of illegal immigrants over the American people, isn't it?

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01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 2: Or is am I missing something? Is this the Republican's fault,

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01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 2: Congressman Davidson.

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Speaker 9: I mean it's pretty basic. Who's withholding their votes Democrats?

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01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 9: And why are they withholding the votes because they want

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01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 9: to weaken ICE and they don't want ICE to actually

1410
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 9: be doing what they're doing. When you think about the

1411
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 9: ICE guys, they've been like the most flexible employees ever

1412
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 9: for the past few years. I mean back when Joe

1413
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 9: Biden was president, they would get deployed down to the border,

1414
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 9: working intents along the border, processing illegals through that they

1415
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 9: know shouldn't be coming through by the laws of our country.

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01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 9: But that was the policy for Biden and his borders

1417
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 9: are Kamala Harris. And so now we've got a new

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01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 9: president who campaigned on following the law and enforcing the

1419
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 9: border and deporting the people, which is the law who

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01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 9: came in unlawfully or overstayed their visas, whatever. So all

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01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 9: the ways to define the lawful presence of foreign nationals,

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01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 9: that's clearly a federal standard. And you have sanctuary cities

1423
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 9: and states that want to deny that. Minneapolis is one

1424
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 9: of the most egregious in doing it. It's open rebellion

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01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,759
Speaker 9: to the authority of the United States, and that can't

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01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 9: be allowed to stand. That's really what this is about.

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 9: And you know they're willing to cause massive consequences to

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Speaker 9: American citizens because they want to protect it.

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Speaker 2: So well, I hope we get it. We hope the

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01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 2: voting public understands exactly what you just articulated, because I'm

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01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 2: in full agreement with you, and most notably many people

1432
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 2: abstute observers and things political appreciate the fact that Donald

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01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,520
Speaker 2: Trump got elected because in large part of his strategy

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01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 2: on the border to close it down completely and to

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01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 2: deport the illegal, most notably criminal immigrant population. If that

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Speaker 2: is indeed true, then the Democrats have entered into a

1437
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,759
Speaker 2: fool's errand by shutting the government down and ruining people's

1438
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 2: lives in the name of protecting the very people donald

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Speaker 2: Trump promised to deport.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that's the stakes. And you know, on

1441
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 9: issue after issue, you know, common sense versus crazy. I mean,

1442
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 9: I think it's crazy the position they're taking. I think

1443
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 9: a lot of people think it's crazy. And look, you

1444
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 9: know one of the things that I thought, and someone

1445
01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 9: who pointed out, President Trump also created no tax on tips.

1446
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 9: So if you're flying, just give some tips to to

1447
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 9: the TSA folks who are there listening paychecks, and we

1448
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 9: should just put a big tip jar up there at

1449
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 9: every place so they can share the tips. I think

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01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 9: people appreciate these folks, right, I mean, they're there showing up,

1451
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 9: not getting paid on time. They didn't cause this, but

1452
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 9: they're showing up the work. I mean it's nutty.

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01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 2: Okay, real quick, Congressman Davidson, probably serve your country serving

1454
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 2: the American military, real quick. Here, Donald Trump in pointing

1455
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 2: out we need some assistance over in the Strait of

1456
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 2: Horror moves. He talked about how powerful we are, how

1457
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 2: much oil and gas and reserves we had. He offered

1458
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: to sell that to those that are dealing without because

1459
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 2: of the Strait of Horror moves is shut down. But

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01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 2: he said, he to the country of the world, it's

1461
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: your issue. You get in there, take care of the passage.

1462
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 2: Grab it. You could do it easily. We've been helpful.

1463
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 2: We eradicated the Iranian threat. Now get in there and

1464
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 2: open the straight of horror moves up. Do you think

1465
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 2: that's going to happen, most notably with an eye toward

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01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 2: our NATO quote unquote allies. Congressman Davidson.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, they're weak. I mean, and here's this two. Not

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01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 9: only do they need this in a lot of ways

1469
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 9: more than we do. They're blocking our access to our

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01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 9: own bases, you know, to take action to open the

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Speaker 9: straight and yeah, okay, they're right, you know, they're like,

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Speaker 9: well the strait was open until you guys started all

1473
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 9: this combat over there. You know, it's a fair point. Nevertheless,

1474
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 9: we are in this situation right now, so what do

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01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 9: you want to.

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Speaker 4: Do about it?

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01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 9: And their solution is that, well, you can't use your

1478
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 9: bases and you can't fly it through our airspace, which

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01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 9: to me begs the question, well, then why do we

1480
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 9: have these bases. We certainly don't need to maintain them

1481
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 9: at our expense, and that goes to NATO. I mean,

1482
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 9: was sixty plus percent of NATO funding is from US?

1483
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 9: And who does it depend? They want us? Oh well,

1484
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 9: America must save us from Russia and Ukraine. We done

1485
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 9: hundreds of billions of dollars in and then we just

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01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 9: want to use our own bases to an operation that's frankly,

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Speaker 9: I think we could have thought out a little differently,

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01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 9: but nevertheless, it's underway, and I think it's just stupid

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Speaker 9: for these European countries. Tod An is access to our

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01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 9: own basis.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it's certainly bringing a bright light of common

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01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 2: sense on them. They're the ones that cut their own

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01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 2: throat by refusing to tap into their own natural resources

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01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 2: and trying to eliminate carbon dioxide from the world. They're

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01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 2: the ones that got stuck supporting the Russians. Even though

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01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 2: they hate the Russians invading Ukraine, they're still buying their

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01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,719
Speaker 2: oil and their natural gas, supporting, of course, the Russian economy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just I can't make any sense out

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01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 2: of this, Congressman Davidson. Maybe it'll sort itself out of

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Speaker 2: her time, and of course we'll have you there to

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01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 2: talk with us about it here on the fifty five

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Speaker 2: cares See Morning Show. Congressman Davidson, I wish you and

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01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 2: your family a very happy Easter this weekend. I hope

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01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 2: you have an excellent time, and I'll look forward to

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01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: having you back on the show real soon.

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Speaker 9: Thanks Brian, Blessings to you all your listeners, and have

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01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 9: an awesome Easter.

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01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend. We'll try to do that, folks.

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01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 2: Stick around. It's seven thirty one right now if you

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01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 2: have KCD talk station. Timing's everything perfect, timing for russ

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01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 2: Neville to be in studio. Russ happens to be police

1512
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 2: chief Thigi she's on administrative lee, but she's still chief,

1513
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: that's her title. We can't figure out quite why she

1514
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 2: got placed on administrative leave. Nothing articulated by the city

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01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 2: of sinn when they placed her on administrative leave. It

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01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 2: just happened after that crazy brawl in downtown Cincinnati. So

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01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 2: why I guess the city didn't know why because they

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01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 2: had to retain an outside law firm to look into

1519
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 2: police Chief Fiji's thirty five year record to see if

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01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 2: they could sort through it and figure out something with hindsight,

1521
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 2: retroactive as it is, to justify why she was placed

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01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 2: on administrative leave, and presumably to come up with a

1523
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: reason to fire her. In studio, her brother, Russ Neville,

1524
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 2: part of the Neville family and your storied career in

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01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 2: law enforcement here in the city of Cincinnat. Let me start, Russ,

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01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: independent of what's going on with this issue, to thank

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01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 2: you and all of your family members for all the

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01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 2: service that they have provided the residents of the city

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01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati over the years. Man, it is an amazing thing.

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01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 7: Thank you, Brian, very very much appreciated, and to you too,

1531
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 7: and thank you for giving us an opportunity to share

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01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 7: Terry's perspective without her ability to speak to the media

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01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 7: or the public at this point in time.

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01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 2: Well, and that's an important thing you just brought up there.

1535
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,759
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you what is in coming

1536
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 2: here and speaking with the listeners today and addressing this.

1537
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 2: What is your role? Do you have a designated role?

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01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 2: Are you doing this just because she's your sister? What's

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01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 2: the story on that.

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Speaker 7: At the inception of this meeting with Terry and mister

1541
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 7: m it was recommended by he that if there were

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01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 7: any media releases or public statements, that'd be done by

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01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 7: one individual, and both Terry and mister m requested or

1544
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 7: recommended that I do so, and I'm trying to do

1545
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 7: it to the best of my ability to benefit Terry.

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01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 2: Fair enough, and misterim is her attorney, which will make

1547
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 2: the record clear on that here in the morning show.

1548
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 2: Now you read the report, your reactions. You were talking

1549
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 2: to I guess it was Tricia Mackie or one of

1550
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 2: the other local reporters, and I saw your comments. A

1551
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: lot of the comments you made were similar to the

1552
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,959
Speaker 2: observations I made. And of course you're far more intimately

1553
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 2: involved with this than I am. But it was all

1554
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 2: my Again when I came on the show yesterday morning.

1555
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 2: I started out with, Okay, you got thirty two people

1556
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: that were apparently interviewed within the CINCINNT Police Department that

1557
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 2: comprised the conclusions in this report. And I said, well,

1558
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 2: there are one hundreds, nine hundred or so officers. And

1559
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: I asked you this morning on that because thirty two

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01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: out of a contingent of how many total officers.

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01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 7: Well are the sworn there's approximately nine hundred. There's an

1562
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 7: ebb and flow with that, and then you have the

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01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 7: civilian positions which carry between two and three hundred, so

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01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 7: you're at twelve to thirteen hundred people.

1565
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 2: Okay, Logically, I want to ask, how is it that

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01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 2: they arrived at just these thirty two because I cannot

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01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 2: imagine that with all the officers you just mentioned that

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01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 2: every single one of them carried the same conclusions that

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01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 2: we draw from. What the conclusions are from the law firm?

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01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 2: One sided they have, you know, these these sort of

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01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 2: I feel I believe speculative comments, perhaps biased comments, but

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01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 2: are you telling me that this law firm couldn't find

1573
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 2: a single human being who was happy with Police Chief

1574
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:01,799
Speaker 2: Diji's role as chief or her career in law enforcement.

1575
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 7: That's kind of a two prone question. It is, we know,

1576
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 7: factually there were those that were interviewed who had positive

1577
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 7: statements about Terry, who have reached out to Terry since

1578
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:17,799
Speaker 7: very upset about the fact that the entire report was negative,

1579
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 7: and their names will ultimately be affiliated with that report,

1580
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 7: which would imply that they spoke negatively and it's not factual,

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01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 7: and they're hurt by it and Terry's hurt by it.

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01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:28,560
Speaker 7: The other aspect is you would have to ask the

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01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 7: law firm and well City of Cincinnati how they came

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01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 7: to interviewing thirty people of twelve or thirteen hundred.

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01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 2: And trust me, in anticipation of whatever litigation comes out

1586
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 2: of this, which I've been pretty much convinced is going

1587
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,919
Speaker 2: to happen, those people will be interviewed, they will be deposed,

1588
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 2: their testimony will be on record, and given the wheels

1589
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 2: of justice spend very slowly, we're going to have to

1590
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 2: wait for it. But it's going to come out. They

1591
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 2: all know it. Let's pause for a moment. We'll get

1592
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 2: more from russ Neville on this very important topic for

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01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:04,600
Speaker 2: the area. Seven thirty five right now, they should It

1594
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 2: is seven thirty nine coming to with a seven forty

1595
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 2: here fifty five kc DE talk station. He's going to

1596
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 2: be making the rounds today in studio Russ Noble, brother

1597
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 2: of since a police chief threes A Thigi talking about

1598
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 2: this craziness going on in downtown. So we get this.

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01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 2: What you describe, I believe is one sided report, and

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Speaker 2: I think that's an accurate assessment. There is nothing in

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01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 2: this law firm's report about police Chief Thiji's career that

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01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 2: is described as positive. There are no positive comments. People

1603
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 2: were generally negative. The thirty two of the hundreds of

1604
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: officers they chose to interview, we don't know how they

1605
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 2: arrived with that group. You've already pointed out, Russ, that

1606
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: some of the people who did talk to the law

1607
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 2: firm actually did express positive things to say about Police

1608
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 2: Chief Thiji, and yet surprisingly no reference to that in

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01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 2: the report. And then also I thought this was rather

1610
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 2: interesting and perhaps telling. There was an attorney, Brian redd

1611
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 2: and he's in a ployment attorney that was interviewed by

1612
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,719
Speaker 2: Fox nineteen. He called the report bear. It doesn't reference

1613
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 2: any specific witness notes, it doesn't have quotes in it.

1614
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 2: But he also pointed out and I thought this was

1615
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 2: rather interesting, he said. It raises a red flags the

1616
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 2: introduction list as its third objective, determining whether the chief

1617
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 2: committed any infraction or policy violation while serving as police chief,

1618
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 2: and that, of course should have been the central focus

1619
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 2: of the investigation. Questioning like why do you bury the

1620
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 2: lead with the third question being the most important and

1621
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: then you don't deal with it in the rest of

1622
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 2: the report. There's nothing in here that says she did

1623
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 2: something that justified termination, because there is none there.

1624
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 7: You have it, and they're avoiding in that report if

1625
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 7: you won't even call it a report. In that document,

1626
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 7: there is no evidence of such. There's no mention of such,

1627
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 7: and we know with Terry's history and everything that's come

1628
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 7: to fruition to this point, there are none. And that's

1629
01:25:56,240 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 7: why you have an administrator suspension in October, six month

1630
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 7: half assed, backward slanted report conducted or completed by an

1631
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 7: outside vendor law firm who is clearly working under the

1632
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 7: direction of the city in some way, shape or form.

1633
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 7: I make a point in there yesterday, Brian. It's interesting

1634
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 7: to me. One of the opening sentences is that the

1635
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 7: Solicitor's office did not demand any form of conclusion. And

1636
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 7: I find the word demand very interesting. Red flag red flag.

1637
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 7: That doesn't mean they didn't request, discuss, suggest, and they think, yes,

1638
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 7: demand is a very much a red flag.

1639
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:41,759
Speaker 2: It's a u law firm must reach this conclusion. I

1640
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 2: agree that probably never ever there's no demand like that.

1641
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 2: But of course, and I'm you know, having practiced law,

1642
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 2: I know that you can hire an outside expert and

1643
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 2: you could kind of nudge, nudge, wink wink, suggest to

1644
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 2: them what outcome you want when they're looking at a

1645
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 2: weld or whatever, and some will in fact sacrifice the

1646
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 2: run morals and ethics to give you the result you want,

1647
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 2: even though the forensic evidence doesn't necessarily support it. Oh shocking,

1648
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 2: no one. So if nudge nudge, wink wink, you know

1649
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 2: a law firm, you might just get some additional work

1650
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 2: from the city of Cincinnati. You know what we'd like

1651
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 2: to see. We'd like to have a justification. We'd like

1652
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 2: to have it, but we're not demanding it.

1653
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1654
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 7: I we believe the law firm recognizes there is nothing

1655
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 7: in their worthy of termination for Terry, and they compiled

1656
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 7: the slanted report on behalf.

1657
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 4: Of the city.

1658
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 7: It's exactly what to some degree what we expected that

1659
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 7: report to be from the onset. I've called it a

1660
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 7: mythical narrative from the beginning. Mister rim termed it as

1661
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:39,640
Speaker 7: a hatchet job. And look what we have.

1662
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 2: So I guess we need to figure out what the

1663
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 2: next step is. I mean, I guess City Manager Cheryl

1664
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 2: Long has the hire and fire authority insofar as who's

1665
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 2: going to be police chief, and the chief is not

1666
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 2: part of and correct me, Russ if I'm wrong, not

1667
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 2: part of the collective bargaining agreement because she serves or

1668
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 2: he is the case, maybe he serves at the whim

1669
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 2: of the city manager and city government. Right.

1670
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,759
Speaker 7: Well, I am not the attorney, nor am I the expert,

1671
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 7: but they are not part of the collective barting agreement.

1672
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 7: But there are charter protections, okay, and that is what

1673
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 7: will develop as time goes on, if I understand it correctly.

1674
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 2: Well, I guess the only reason I want to say

1675
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 2: that is because if this ayer was directed toward a

1676
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 2: rank and file member of the since a police department,

1677
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 2: that member would turn to the collective Bargaining Agreement and

1678
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,440
Speaker 2: that we would go through the process that is established

1679
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 2: there in dealing with their employment situation.

1680
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 7: Yes, and it is of interest here, Brian. Historically unions

1681
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 7: and chiefs have some adversarial element to it, even though

1682
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 7: they have a working relationship. The FOP president Ken Kober

1683
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 7: has spoken out strongly not in support of Terry at

1684
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 7: least as opposed to the process here and anything that

1685
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 7: they are trying to achieve in the way they're going

1686
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,839
Speaker 7: about achieving it. So, while she's not under the collective

1687
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 7: Barting agreement, she is well respected by the rank and file.

1688
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 7: She was well respected by the president of the FOP

1689
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 7: as well as the board and the vice president, and

1690
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:04,919
Speaker 7: they have spoken on her behalf. So that speaks volumes.

1691
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 2: It does indeed speak volumes. And you know what else,

1692
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 2: Russ will take a break down. But what else speaks volumes? Huh.

1693
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 2: Let's talk about her performance reviews. Let's talk about how

1694
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 2: the city at least perceived her up until the moment

1695
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 2: she was placed on administrative leave in their out loud

1696
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 2: comments about the police chief.

1697
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 7: Let me let me get into my files here, Brian.

1698
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 7: See if I can find.

1699
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Those performance Yeah, I know, good luck, we'll come back,

1700
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 2: and I don't think Russ will have achieved his objective

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01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 2: along those lines. Hold on, we'll come back with Russ

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01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 2: Neville seven five right now, if you five kars seven

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01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 2: forty nine here for the five krs de talk station,

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01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, Russ and Neville in studio, part of the

1705
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 2: Neville family. Just an absolute blessing for the city of Cincinnati.

1706
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 2: Had the Nevils in the police work for multiple how

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01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 2: many generations? Russ three three regenerations? That's amazing and God

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01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 2: bless each and every one of you. Of course a

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01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: brother of police chief Feeds. You've been talking about this. Okay,

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01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 2: So we we roll up the neck. Last year, we

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01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 2: got the violence in the streets. We have police Chief

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01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 2: Theiji placed on administratively for mysterious unknown reasons. We got

1713
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,759
Speaker 2: this report that came out obviously biased, obviously one sided.

1714
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 2: There's not a single positive thing to say about Police

1715
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,719
Speaker 2: Chief Theji except for the words that she articulated herself.

1716
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 2: The only person identified in the report, police Chief Theiji.

1717
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 2: None of the witnesses identified. Again, going back to only

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01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 2: thirty two individuals we're spoken with. Now we know that

1719
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 2: quite a few of them, I don't know how many,

1720
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 2: but have reached out to Russ and other members of

1721
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 2: the Fiji family or the Neville family say, listen, I

1722
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 2: said good things about it. They have only put in

1723
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 2: the negative in this report. It's wrong, it's fair, it's unbiased.

1724
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 2: But moving over to police chief Fiji, how many thirty

1725
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 2: five years with the Cincinni Police Department RUSS, Yes, sir,

1726
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 2: thirty five years, yes, sir. Now she was appointed the

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01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 2: chief of police correct now. Apparently they looked at her

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01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 2: background before they told her that she's going to be

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01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 2: the chief of police. I bet she's got a pretty

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01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 2: good long term record with the Sinceni Police Department RUSS.

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01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 7: The review at the time appeared very thorough, and the

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01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,719
Speaker 7: process was thorough, and she was selected by the city manager.

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01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:09,440
Speaker 7: And she has performed with the expectations with the admirably.

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01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 2: Then up until the moment of times she was placed

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01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 2: on administrative leave. Do you recall Mayor I have to

1736
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 2: have parl all city Manager Cheryl Long any of the

1737
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 2: members of council commenting negatively apply on her, because it

1738
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 2: seems to me they had glowing praise for her in

1739
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 2: that role. No, there are none.

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01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 7: Prior to the recall from Denver for the purpose of

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01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 7: a meeting which led to this, Terry had no idea

1742
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:40,839
Speaker 7: this was coming. There was not no indication all everything positive.

1743
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 7: Matter of fact, Brian, I don't do social media. Family does,

1744
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 7: and they have found clip after clip after clip of

1745
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 7: positive statements, positive photos, everything that you would have thought

1746
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:54,480
Speaker 7: was a positive relationship.

1747
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 2: And how often does one get a performance review with annually? Annually? Okay?

1748
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 2: And she was in the role as police chief for

1749
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,679
Speaker 2: a full year? Was she? I believe it was two

1750
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 2: two full years? And at any time did they bring

1751
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 2: her in for a performance review?

1752
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 7: No, And she was interim for a period of time,

1753
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 7: pride It is true as well. So not only did

1754
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 7: she have the time as chief, they got to see

1755
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 7: what kind of a performance she would provide and what

1756
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 7: kind of a leader she would be during that interim time.

1757
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 2: And what if they haven't done one under the normal course,

1758
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 2: which is as you suggested, annually, if someone is engaging

1759
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 2: in inappropriate conduct, has violated a police norm, is a

1760
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 2: bad manager of people, generally speaking, and the city management,

1761
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,879
Speaker 2: like Cheryl Long, becomes aware of that. Would that prompt

1762
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,480
Speaker 2: a performance review or a sit down, a discussion.

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01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 7: It wouldn't prompt a review an annual performance review those

1764
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 7: should be done annually regardless regardless of their circumstances.

1765
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 2: So the failure to.

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01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 7: Do that, I can't even begin to answer. But they

1767
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 7: don't exist.

1768
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:51,759
Speaker 2: They didn't happen.

1769
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 7: As far as if there were any performance issues, yes,

1770
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 7: there the expectation would be in any industry, not specific

1771
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 7: to law enforcement, in any industry. And we've done it

1772
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 7: over the years with personnel from the rank of po

1773
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 7: up through the rank of captain that I'm have been

1774
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 7: involved and engaged in. So yeah, you would sit them down,

1775
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 7: have a discussion, document the discussion most of the time,

1776
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 7: some of it's not a documented discussion. Most of the

1777
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 7: time it is, and then there's an expectation placed on

1778
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 7: what where their shortcomings may be. What the expectator. It's

1779
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 7: a performance improvement.

1780
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 2: Right corrective action plan. Chief DG. We think you're failing

1781
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 2: behind in these couple of areas. Here's what we're going

1782
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 2: to recommend you do to turn things around. Never, not

1783
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 2: even there's no discussion like that at all ever occurred.

1784
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 7: None, zero, To the point that I have asked that

1785
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 7: question of Terry numerous times just to make sure my

1786
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 7: answers are accurate, there have been none, and she had

1787
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:48,759
Speaker 7: no idea there was anything negative regarding the relationship, the interaction,

1788
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 7: or her performance until until time until she went out

1789
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 7: of town. And I think there was a statement by

1790
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 7: the manager of the mayor at one point when somebody

1791
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 7: asked a question of during one of those incidents of

1792
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 7: violent crime, and they had placed the thought or consideration

1793
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,759
Speaker 7: that there might be some association with Terry Terry's performance

1794
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 7: during that incident or something.

1795
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 2: But that was close in time to being placed, extremely close,

1796
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 2: that's my point, okay, But that up until that moment

1797
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 2: in time, someone hit a concern with her flying out

1798
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 2: of town and going to that Denver conference of law

1799
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 2: enforcement officers. Correct.

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01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 7: Yes, and at the direction and agreement with the manager

1801
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 7: to be there to do so. And I think there

1802
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,879
Speaker 7: was even some discussion about, you know, go out and

1803
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 7: regarding some of the circumstances and national standards and communicate

1804
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 7: and interact and bring some some information.

1805
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 2: Back to make the city police better. Yes, And she

1806
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 2: did not know. How could she know? She's told to

1807
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 2: go to the conference, goes to the conference. She had

1808
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 2: no idea this was going to unfold while she was gone.

1809
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,600
Speaker 2: The crime can happen eighty times. She's got to do

1810
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 2: her job and get this information to bring it back.

1811
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 7: It's part of her role, as part of any administrator's role.

1812
01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:01,759
Speaker 7: And no, there was no end not to go, and

1813
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 7: there was a purpose for going, and it was communicated

1814
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 7: through and with whomever job related functions very much. And

1815
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 7: let me tell you, Terry's life outside of the family,

1816
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 7: the grandkids and her kids obviously is critically important. But

1817
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 7: her twenty four hours a day was focused on the

1818
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 7: police department. It's not just during her time as chief.

1819
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 7: It was time as captain, or time as assistant chief,

1820
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 7: or time as executive, or time as chief. And that's

1821
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 7: the way she is and that's the way she operated.

1822
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 7: So yes, twenty four hours a day was on her

1823
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 7: mind in some fashion, okay.

1824
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:31,799
Speaker 2: And so up until that moment in time, nothing but praise,

1825
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 2: positive reviews, and in fact, no performance reviews were even

1826
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 2: bothered given. And this sit down meetings nothing. I think

1827
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 2: you've established really a very clear record here, you know, Russ,

1828
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 2: I think this is extremely important to talk about. Now.

1829
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 2: I know there are listeners, maybe in Claremont County or elsewhere.

1830
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 2: I can have Mississippi Jans all though he's back in town,

1831
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 2: he listens for Mississippi. This may not be a topic

1832
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 2: that really people think they can't relate to. Oh, this

1833
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 2: is just a stupid city political matter, But no, the

1834
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 2: city of Cincinnati has power, control and influence over the

1835
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 2: entire region. Whatever happens within the City of Cincinnati is

1836
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 2: going to impact all of us. Hell, you may get

1837
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 2: more residents in your surrounding county Claremont County, Warren County,

1838
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 2: Butler County. You're going to benefit from people leaving the

1839
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 2: city to find someplace safer to live. So this impacts broadly.

1840
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 2: Plus it's also a reflection of government generally speaking and

1841
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 2: how well elections do in fact have consequences. So whether

1842
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 2: it's the city of Cincinnati, Columbus, Ohio, here in Iowa,

1843
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 2: or Frankfurt, you know, this is the kind of activity

1844
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 2: that happens all the time, so it really is important

1845
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 2: to talk about it maybe a micro level of a

1846
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 2: broader problem that exists on a macro level as well

1847
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 2: in federal government. Russ Neville. I hope it all works

1848
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 2: out the Chief DG's benefit. Obviously, there's so many holes

1849
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,760
Speaker 2: in this report. I have a feeling her lawyer is

1850
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 2: going to have a field day with it, and I

1851
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,599
Speaker 2: do expect litigation, not asking you to comment on it.

1852
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 2: I just see it coming down the road.

1853
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 7: Russ are comment on the fact that there's an anticipation

1854
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 7: of litigation, there's an anticipation of termination. And while I

1855
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 7: don't mean this enough, we look forward to it positively,

1856
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 7: like enjoyably. We do look forward to the opportunity for

1857
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 7: Terry to be heard, for depositions to take be taken,

1858
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 7: and we know who those deposed people, individuals likely or

1859
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,800
Speaker 7: will be, and the truth will come out, the facts

1860
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,640
Speaker 7: will come out, and Terry will have her say, and

1861
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 7: Terry will stand tall at the.

1862
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 2: End, and we will patiently wait for that happened to happen.

1863
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 2: Russ Neville, thank you for your time today and I

1864
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 2: appreciate your advocacy on behalf of your sister and sort

1865
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 2: of the broader topic of government around government runs generally.

1866
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:26,560
Speaker 2: We'll have you back in hopefully soon, Russ. Have a

1867
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 2: great weekend and happy the talk station. It's eight six

1868
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 2: right now, fifty five Caro Seed Talks Station. A very

1869
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 2: happy Friday eve. Do you call it Thursday if you want,

1870
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 2: I prefer the former. Coming to the bottom of the hour,

1871
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 2: as always, I heard media aviation expert Jay Ratliffe, but

1872
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 2: I am pleased to welcome to the fifty five Karssee

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01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 2: Morning Show for the first time, Judge Andrew King. You

1874
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 2: can find him online at vote Andrew King dot com

1875
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:52,679
Speaker 2: and you want to do that because he is currently

1876
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 2: running for a seat on the Ohio Supreme Court, challenging

1877
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 2: Democrat incumbent Jennifer Brunner. Judge King, great to have you

1878
01:37:58,560 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 2: on the program this morning.

1879
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 4: Welcome, Well, it's great to be here. Thanks for having me.

1880
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to observe right out of the gate Gump.

1881
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 2: I practice law for sixteen years and still have my

1882
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 2: law degree, so I do understand the problems that a

1883
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 2: judge has running for office no advisory opinions. It's how

1884
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 2: difficult is it to keep your mouth shut and not

1885
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 2: try to suggest how you would rule in any given

1886
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 2: case because you're prohibited from doing that, Judge King, it

1887
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 2: can be.

1888
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 10: A little bit something and frustrated around.

1889
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:30,440
Speaker 4: I mean, as a judge, people.

1890
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 10: Bring you their issues, their concerns and want you to

1891
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 10: tell them how this.

1892
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 4: Should turn out. So yeah, when you're on another campaign,

1893
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:37,759
Speaker 4: there's sort.

1894
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 10: Of a well, hey, let me tell you, but as

1895
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 10: you know, we don't do that, and it's really primarily

1896
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 10: because you want every case to be decided on the maris,

1897
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 10: on the issues in front of it. You don't want

1898
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 10: somebody who's going to do what we've seen some of

1899
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:56,679
Speaker 10: these judges do, right, say, well, if it's the other party,

1900
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 10: if it's a president I don't like or whatever, I'm

1901
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:01,839
Speaker 10: going to rule a certain way. I'm going to contort

1902
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:04,560
Speaker 10: myself so get to a certain outcome. So you know,

1903
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 10: I can't be frustrating, but I think on balance it

1904
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:11,759
Speaker 10: helps ensure that we be judges, not politicians and roads well.

1905
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,879
Speaker 2: And this is extremely important. Your point about some judges

1906
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 2: just a question of whose ox is being gored to

1907
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 2: how they're going to ruin any given decision. You need

1908
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 2: to be firm in your constitutional understanding. You need to

1909
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 2: be understand that you know this case in front of

1910
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 2: me is going to go away that I'm not. I

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Speaker 2: personally might not prefer, but because I am consistent and

1912
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Speaker 2: loyal to the law, I must rent rule accordingly. So

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Speaker 2: that's a that's a great position to spring from firm

1914
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Speaker 2: and convictions. And you are a what I would call

1915
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Speaker 2: a constitutional conservative, are you not.

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Speaker 4: That's right, That's exactly right.

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Speaker 10: And and as you probably know, this is that being

1918
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Speaker 10: a constutional conservative, at least in my mind, is I

1919
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Speaker 10: mean to be sure my own personal values.

1920
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Speaker 4: I'm a conservative of my own life and on those values.

1921
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Speaker 10: But as a judge, I have to find the law

1922
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Speaker 10: the voters and legislators put in.

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Speaker 4: Front of me. But that means I apply to law. Right.

1924
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Speaker 10: If it's a constitution, we're applying originalist type techniques.

1925
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Speaker 4: If it's a statute, we're.

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Speaker 10: Applying textless type techniques. You one, I think that's just

1927
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Speaker 10: generally the better approach, But too it has a separation

1928
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Speaker 10: of powers function right that we as judges don't get

1929
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Speaker 10: to be super legislators or a super governor and get

1930
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Speaker 10: to veto legislation we don't like. That's not what we do.

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Speaker 4: We say, you pick the.

1932
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Speaker 10: Words, you put them on paper, you express what you want,

1933
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Speaker 10: and then we'll apply it based on what you did.

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Speaker 4: Not what we want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and quite often that requires sending things back to

1936
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Speaker 2: the legislative brands because they didn't do it right. In

1937
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Speaker 2: the first case, it's not constitutional. It falls outside the constitution.

1938
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Speaker 2: But unlike an activist court might do, write an opinion

1939
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Speaker 2: drafting legislation effectively and calling that law, you say no,

1940
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Speaker 2: your law is struck down because it's unconstitutional. It go

1941
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Speaker 2: back to the drawing board and do it drawing board,

1942
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Speaker 2: and do it right now. I mean that's a tough

1943
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Speaker 2: function of judges who can often go the liberal interpretation

1944
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Speaker 2: side of things, like I can use Roe v. Wade

1945
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Speaker 2: as an example perfect illustration of legislative drafting. Ultimately, the

1946
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court overturns it because look, there's nothing in the constitution.

1947
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Speaker 2: You know, it's like articles or it's like Article ten

1948
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. If we don't have a specific reserve power,

1949
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Speaker 2: it belongs to the states. You have at it.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're you're exactly right.

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Speaker 10: And I think that was just as Sillia's long standing

1952
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Speaker 10: position before the Dobs case was, you know, show me

1953
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Speaker 10: where it's its constitution.

1954
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Speaker 4: It said this, and this goes back to what I.

1955
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Speaker 10: Was sort of saying with the textual commitment is you know,

1956
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Speaker 10: we all have principles and ideas and philosophies, but the

1957
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Speaker 10: words are what we as lawyers, we as judges, legislators,

1958
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Speaker 10: the governor when they're choosing to veto something, or the president.

1959
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 10: I mean, the words are what sort of governs us

1960
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Speaker 10: and drives us and we can't pretend like we can

1961
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Speaker 10: it's otherwise, and we can look past that to get

1962
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Speaker 10: to a pre determined outcome. So I think it helps

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Speaker 10: sort of keep everyone honest. And like you said, if

1964
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Speaker 10: it's hey, the statue fell outside the constitution, well there's

1965
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Speaker 10: an iterative process for that. It goes back to the

1966
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Speaker 10: General Assembly and they can say, all right, well let's

1967
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Speaker 10: make it more narrow statute and narrow the tailored whatever

1968
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Speaker 10: it is, and then we'll try again. And and you know,

1969
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Speaker 10: honest think on balance that's okay, because what's the point

1970
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Speaker 10: of a constitution if we as the people don't hurt

1971
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Speaker 10: some rights beyond the reach of ordinary legislation. So you

1972
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 10: know that sometimes that happens, not frequently as you might

1973
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 10: imagine that. You would know this as a lawyer. It's

1974
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Speaker 10: not like every case is that a constitutional issue lurking

1975
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Speaker 10: in there. But when they're there, I think you got

1976
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Speaker 10: to call them, you know, a strike, a strike, and

1977
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Speaker 10: a ball of all of them.

1978
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Speaker 2: Yes, you do. And I got to ask just I

1979
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Speaker 2: was strongly encourage my listeners go to vote Andrew King

1980
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 2: dot com. Your your your legal background is unbelievably impressive.

1981
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 2: You're currently on the Fiftiship Court of Appeals. Hundreds of

1982
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:02,759
Speaker 2: appell opinions have been written by you. You were previously

1983
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:05,919
Speaker 2: also on the Seventh District Court of Appeals by assignment

1984
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 2: from the huh Supreme Court. Dedicated member of the Federalist Society.

1985
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Speaker 2: I circled that Right out of the Gate Judge King,

1986
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,240
Speaker 2: because I remember I was in the Federalist Society too.

1987
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Speaker 2: That's for the folks who believe the Constitution means what

1988
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 2: it says it is, and it's restrict adherence to these

1989
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Speaker 2: fundamental constitutional principles. You got all kinds of You were

1990
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 2: assistant prosecutor to prosecuting attorney in Delaware County. I could

1991
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 2: go on and on, so check his background out. Obviously

1992
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 2: well respected member of the legal community. And for my

1993
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:35,799
Speaker 2: fellow firearms owning friends and believers in the Second Amendment,

1994
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Speaker 2: I see Right out of the Gate not only on

1995
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Speaker 2: your website but also on the other materials. Proud member

1996
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Speaker 2: of Right out of the Gate, Buckeye Firearms and the

1997
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Speaker 2: Hio Gun Collectors Association. I'm a member of the OGCA

1998
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 2: as well and an NRA life member. You staunchly support

1999
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Speaker 2: the Second Amendment. No advisory opinion in that Judge King,

2000
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 2: you say it out loud, right up front, but.

2001
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Speaker 10: Hey, it's in the constitution, right, It's an amendment that

2002
01:43:57,439 --> 01:44:00,639
Speaker 10: deserves respect. There was a long time didn't get it.

2003
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Speaker 10: And I'm glad to say I was endorsed by Highlights

2004
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 10: of Life a couple of weeks ago. But it was

2005
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 10: a couple of days ago, Ohio Buckeye Firms endorsed me.

2006
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 10: So I'm proud of that. As you mentioned of firearms owners,

2007
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,599
Speaker 10: achl holder for a long time, and I'm you know,

2008
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,680
Speaker 10: it's it's a right of equal magnitude of importance. And

2009
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:21,720
Speaker 10: as sometimes it said, it's the second Amendment is the

2010
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Speaker 10: one that protects all the other So I definitely think

2011
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 10: it's an important amendment.

2012
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Speaker 2: Well in the second Amendment. Bruin case is another great

2013
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 2: illustration of what the you know, what the document, what

2014
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 2: the Constitution actually means. What were the framers thinking when

2015
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Speaker 2: they wrote the words down. That's what Bruin said, what

2016
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Speaker 2: it existed at the time, not what we've come up

2017
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Speaker 2: with down the road. That's completely different. And that takes

2018
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Speaker 2: the Constitution out of what the framers had in mind

2019
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Speaker 2: when they when they when they drafted it, and and

2020
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Speaker 2: uh and enacted and adopted.

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Speaker 10: It exactly exactly, and I mean, you know, it's a

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Speaker 10: legislative process and a lot of things go into but

2023
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 10: at the end of the day, the words were chosen

2024
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 10: to carry forward some meanings on purpose. Everyone when they

2025
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:08,639
Speaker 10: looked at it had some common understanding of what that meant,

2026
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Speaker 10: and we can't pretend otherwise. And for a long time,

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Speaker 10: I think there were folks that tried to pretend the

2028
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Speaker 10: Second Amendment that something other than what the texts actually

2029
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Speaker 10: said shall not be frankly, so yeah, I think that

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Speaker 10: words are always important.

2031
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Speaker 2: I've had a real problem and a lot of my

2032
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Speaker 2: listeners have as well. Here in Hamilton County. We are

2033
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 2: overwhelmed with what I will characterize this is not your words,

2034
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 2: Judge King, woke judges who don't believe in the point

2035
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Speaker 2: of having a criminal justice system, which I would argue,

2036
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,840
Speaker 2: and as I learned in law school, includes a leg

2037
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 2: that's important, which is you punish individuals for breaking the

2038
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Speaker 2: law to serve as an illustration to others who might

2039
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 2: go in the same direction that they too will suffer

2040
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 2: the fate of others who've gone before them. It's also

2041
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 2: to punish the individual for doing bad things also provide

2042
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,799
Speaker 2: some relief to family members who've been victims of crimes.

2043
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 2: Multiple reasons there. I'm not even going to bother suggesting

2044
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:58,519
Speaker 2: you're going to get reformed in prison, because you know

2045
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 2: that doesn't work out. But these judges don't seem to

2046
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 2: understand that. I mean, we've looked at California where they

2047
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 2: decriminalize stealing. Look what happens. Stealing becomes rampant. We don't

2048
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 2: prosecute young people. Teenagers run am up in the city

2049
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. They're not held accountable. The problem seems to

2050
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 2: get worse. Isn't it not an important thing for of

2051
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 2: judges presiding over criminal matters to actually meet out punishment

2052
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 2: when those individuals have been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Speaker 10: Judge King, sure, I mean it's our general assemblies. Put

2054
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 10: it right in there, sort of the overriding purposes of

2055
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 10: a sentencing is incapacity offenders, rehabilitate offenders, and punish offenders.

2056
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:40,920
Speaker 10: I mean, it's right in there. So I think it's

2057
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 10: absolutely true. And to your point about the judges taking

2058
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,680
Speaker 10: liberties with things in the criminal justice system, as you

2059
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 10: well know that the Bow case for a few years ago,

2060
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:57,599
Speaker 10: coming out of fethert, Ohio. There that all the pre

2061
01:46:57,680 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 10: trial bond standards away, and you couldn't consider not all,

2062
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,640
Speaker 10: they couldn't consider the dangerousness of the person anymore. I mean,

2063
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 10: you could have someone in for rapeer a murder, and

2064
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 10: the judge now suddenly can't say, well, you know, you're

2065
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 10: a danger to the community, you should stay in jail.

2066
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 10: So inevitably, what happens those folks go out and they

2067
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 10: were said of me while they're hanging over them, And

2068
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 10: it was the craziest thing. And I'm glad the voters,

2069
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:24,479
Speaker 10: the general assemblieve fix the Supreme Court's air on that.

2070
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 2: So am I Judge King. And finally, before we've part

2071
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:35,440
Speaker 2: company again, it's vote Andrew King dot com. How difficult

2072
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 2: is it to be a judge? We have a problem

2073
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:40,679
Speaker 2: here in Hamilton County. There's a lot of judicial spots

2074
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 2: open for the November election, but sadly no Republican candidates. Now,

2075
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 2: I understand the struggle in this very blue region of

2076
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 2: the country, but they're not willing to run. And I

2077
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 2: asked out loud from people in the know, is it

2078
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 2: because people don't want to be a judge? And the

2079
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 2: answer in many cases is. Yeah, you can't find great

2080
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:00,679
Speaker 2: lawyers that might be wonderful judges because they don't want

2081
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 2: the pressure and the stress at these modern times bring down.

2082
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 2: You're going to be presiding over criminal matters, maybe gang

2083
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 2: members in your court, maybe some very violent evil people.

2084
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 2: We have social media, people are going to doc you,

2085
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:12,479
Speaker 2: people are going to know who you are. You're an

2086
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 2: elected official, for God's sake. Do you feel that pressure

2087
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:18,360
Speaker 2: as you're currently sitting on their fifth District Court of

2088
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:20,800
Speaker 2: Appeals and do you have any concerns about that going forward?

2089
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 2: Judge King?

2090
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's a very real thing now at

2091
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:30,559
Speaker 10: the appellate level, I don't think it happens is often often.

2092
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 10: I'm not saying it doesn't. Oursonal instances of it. The

2093
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,679
Speaker 10: trial judges definitely. They're the folks that are taking people's

2094
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 10: liberties away.

2095
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:42,520
Speaker 4: They're the ones sending.

2096
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 10: People to jail for long periods of time, and you know,

2097
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:48,479
Speaker 10: unhappy divorces and all those sorts of things. So they

2098
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:52,599
Speaker 10: definitely see it. And I think that there's been a

2099
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 10: general coursening and that were sort of played out tragically

2100
01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:00,760
Speaker 10: with Charlie Kirk, so you know, sort of seen this

2101
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:07,280
Speaker 10: with attats on skedges and public officials and not criticizing.

2102
01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 10: I mean, I think it's fair to criticize them, and

2103
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 10: I just the Supreme Court for what they did and

2104
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 10: to vote. But it's that that next step, and I

2105
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:15,519
Speaker 10: think that, yes, I think.

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Speaker 4: That that's one of the things that does keep people

2107
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 4: away from wanting to do this is because you do there.

2108
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:22,599
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you do this long enough, you've

2109
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 4: got someone you're worried about, it's going to show up

2110
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:25,000
Speaker 4: in your driveway.

2111
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Speaker 2: Well, I view it as something like some people sign

2112
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 2: up to serve their country in military, knowing full well

2113
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Speaker 2: that they're gonna be in placed in harm's way, and

2114
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:33,960
Speaker 2: yet they do it anyway. So I salute you j

2115
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Speaker 2: Andrew King, Judge King, and your question for to become

2116
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 2: a justice for the Supreme Court here in Ohio in

2117
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 2: your effort to unseat Jennifer Brunner sounds to me like

2118
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Speaker 2: a positive development. And I'll courage my listeners to help

2119
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 2: you out by turning to your web page and see

2120
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 2: that donate button up in the right hand corner. That

2121
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 2: might help. It's vote Andrew King dot com. Judge King,

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Speaker 2: it's been great having you on the show. Perhaps you

2123
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Speaker 2: and I will talk again before the election in the fall.

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Speaker 4: I little enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome here in the fifty five on Thursday, Friday Eve.

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Speaker 2: I love this time and they we can talk with

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Speaker 2: iHeart Media aviation expert Jay Rattler. He is nationwide. He

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Speaker 2: is the sole aviation expert for the entire iHeartMedia Corporation,

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Speaker 2: hundreds of stations, and we are lucky enough to get

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Speaker 2: him for a few segments every Thursday here in the

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Speaker 2: fifty five. Carsey Morning Shore, Welcome back, my friend. Happy

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Speaker 2: Thursday in advance, early Happy Easter to you, my brother.

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Speaker 8: It's gonna be a great holiday. A lot to be

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01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:26,879
Speaker 8: thankful for, and the same to you.

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Speaker 2: Is a lot to be thankful for. And that's one

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Speaker 2: of the things I love being friends with you on

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01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 2: Facebook over because you always have something really positive to

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01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 2: say in your post. You're not screaming and yelling at everybody,

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01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 2: You're not stirring the pot of descent. You're just making

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01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:40,800
Speaker 2: great observations exactly like that. Life's filled with miracles. Pay

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01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:42,680
Speaker 2: attention to them, enjoy them while you got them, and

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Speaker 2: appreciate the benefits and the gift of life that we

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Speaker 2: have here. Let me ask you this aviation expert rockets

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Speaker 2: are part of aviation. What did you think of the

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01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 2: Artemist two lift off? Did you watch it?

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Speaker 5: All?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 8: Well, it planned on it and then Cherry and I

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01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 8: went out to dinner, so I was kind of watching

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Speaker 8: it on my phone and just throw I mean, it

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01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 8: was you know, it's historic. And you know, of all

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01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 8: of the former astronauts that I was able to be

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01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:12,400
Speaker 8: around and talk to and listen to, they were all

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01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:15,519
Speaker 8: wanting their work to be you know, built on. They

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01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 8: wanted the exploration, the science, the discovery to continue. And

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Speaker 8: I'm just thrilled that it is. And you know, the

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Speaker 8: idea that we've got this ongoing, it's just it gives

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Speaker 8: the younger generation a taste of what I had. Yep,

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Speaker 8: you know back in the sixties and early seventies when

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Speaker 8: you had people going to the moon and except then

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01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:40,280
Speaker 8: it was the first time ever. And you know, it's

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01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:43,519
Speaker 8: it's thrilling. I just love it. And you know, as

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01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:46,599
Speaker 8: we gear towards getting back to the Moon and based

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Speaker 8: on the Moon perhaps and then headed for Mars and

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Speaker 8: points beyond, I just think that that's just incredible.

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Speaker 2: I love it. It is and you know, I obviously,

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Speaker 2: as a very young person, was with the Apollo program.

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Speaker 2: Of course I had all the toys, the lunar rove

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Speaker 2: toy in the models of the various stages of the

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Speaker 2: Apollo aircraft or the Hollow spacecraft. But more of a

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01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 2: Lindberg moment with that one, because obviously the first time

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Speaker 2: set of the moon. Oh my god, space travel and

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01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 2: landing and men of the Moon, this seems to be

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Speaker 2: quite different because we're kind of used to travel this way.

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Speaker 2: We're used to seeing rockets go up. And I was

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Speaker 2: really blown away by when they were talking about the

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Speaker 2: astronauts on this this this flight, how much experience they

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Speaker 2: have actually going in and out of orbit already. These

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Speaker 2: people are not new to the whole flying into outer

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Speaker 2: space rodeo.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, no.

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Speaker 8: But I like some of the observations of the older

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Speaker 8: pilots that are thinking, gosh, look at all the room

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Speaker 8: they've got in their capitle versus what we went up

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Speaker 8: in so and I think that's worth noting as well.

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Speaker 8: But no, these are incredibly intelligent men and women that yeah,

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01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:50,680
Speaker 8: they know what they're doing and it's and they've got

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Speaker 8: to be that way for any of the unknowns that happened,

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Speaker 8: because that's that's what a lot of the astronauts who've

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Speaker 8: been to space safe. Yes, enjoy it, but you're always

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Speaker 8: preparing yourself for the end owned for something that might happen,

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Speaker 8: that you might have to work the problem. And so

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Speaker 8: it's going to be something where they're going to be

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01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 8: on edge until they get there and back, always preparing

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Speaker 8: for what might happen and how they can respond to it.

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Speaker 8: And they're prepared, they're well trained, and you've got a

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Speaker 8: great ground team and so far everything's working as it should.

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Speaker 8: So it's exciting stuff.

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Speaker 2: A little tense for me. I remember when the Challenger

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01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 2: blew up. So I'm sitting there on the edge of

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Speaker 2: my seat with this nervous feeling in the back of

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Speaker 2: my head like, oh my God, like any second we

2203
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:34,640
Speaker 2: could be witnesses to an absolute epic disaster. And I

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01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:37,679
Speaker 2: was prayerful and thankful that that obviously did not happen yesterday.

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Speaker 2: So we wish them all the best on the bounds

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Speaker 2: of the journey. And it's phase three, four and then

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Speaker 2: ultimately five is going to be building a space on

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Speaker 2: the Moon. Apparently Jay Ratliss love it back to airplanes.

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Speaker 2: Delta Airlines teaming up with Amazon why.

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Speaker 8: They're going to increase the Wi Fi power on board

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01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:59,959
Speaker 8: flights and they up to five times. In fact, they're

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Speaker 8: saying Delta on these planes are going to be retrofitted

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01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 8: as a twenty twenty eight that if you want, you

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01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:09,840
Speaker 8: can you know, attend a zoom call during your flight.

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01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:14,080
Speaker 8: Right now, they're saying that it's going to be that good,

2216
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:17,200
Speaker 8: but they're trying to not open the door for a

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01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:20,679
Speaker 8: lot of conversations and those kinds of things that are ongoing,

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01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 8: because that's something that's never really set well with consumers

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01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 8: when they've asked about, hey, what do you think about

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01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 8: the possibility of using your phone or some sort of

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Speaker 8: communication device on a plane. I mean almost overwhelmingly most

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01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,120
Speaker 8: people are saying no. But the idea that you could

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Speaker 8: listen into a conference call or you know, somehow respond

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01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:41,920
Speaker 8: and actually work in a meeting as you fly is

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Speaker 8: something that Delta says, Hey, this is going to be

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01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:46,480
Speaker 8: you know, the next step for us, and it's going

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Speaker 8: to be great for our consumers. And you know, I

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01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,200
Speaker 8: think a lot of people that would be the case

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Speaker 8: because if you can get work done on the flight

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Speaker 8: and it's not got a meeting two or three that

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01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:56,680
Speaker 8: you don't have to be at.

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Speaker 4: It shouldn get other things done.

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Speaker 8: I can see that being a very pot for benefit,

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Speaker 8: and Delta wants to put that in the hands of

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Speaker 8: their consumers.

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01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, as maybe me being sitting sitting next to you

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Speaker 2: on that future flight. We're on a zoom call just

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Speaker 2: where your damn headsets so the whole airplane doesn't have

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Speaker 2: to hear you.

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Speaker 4: Yep. I think that that also given.

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Speaker 8: And I think more and more airlines are going to

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01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:20,640
Speaker 8: be pushing for that and say look in flight attendant's

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01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 8: good lord. I mean, the list of things they have

2244
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:25,440
Speaker 8: to do and police just continues to grow. But that's

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01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:27,840
Speaker 8: one of the other things. And airlines are making it clear,

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01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:30,840
Speaker 8: you know, we put up with this and not really

2247
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 8: responded to it, but we're going to now so you know,

2248
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:35,560
Speaker 8: just behave well.

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Speaker 2: And I guess this proves all the people right who

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Speaker 2: didn't believe that their cell phone and being hooked up

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01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:42,480
Speaker 2: the WiFi was going to crash the airplane remember those days.

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01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:43,800
Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 8: In fact, I had a lot of people say there's

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Speaker 8: nothing to it. But I was on a Northwest flight

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Speaker 8: going into Detroit when one of the avionics panels went out,

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01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 8: it just recycled, and the captain called for the lead

2258
01:55:57,680 --> 01:55:59,400
Speaker 8: flight attends and somebody just turned on the phone in

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01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:00,720
Speaker 8: the first class it turned off.

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Speaker 2: I guess they resolved that all that.

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Speaker 8: I thought there must be something to this now. Right now,

2262
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:10,360
Speaker 8: with a lot of the modern things we have now, Brian,

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01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 8: I think that's much less of a concern. And look,

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01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:16,760
Speaker 8: we've already had flights with people using their phones on

2265
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:19,520
Speaker 8: planes and things and and nothing happened, right, And I

2266
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:21,200
Speaker 8: think that the likelihood is minimal.

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01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:23,000
Speaker 4: But look, if it's.

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Speaker 8: A one and a hundred chance that my phone could

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01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:27,600
Speaker 8: mess anything up, I prefer not to take that chance.

2270
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 2: Fair Enough, we'll bring Jay Ratliffe back to talk about

2271
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 2: a couple of developments in the Air Canada issue after

2272
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,160
Speaker 2: that crash on the runway, that a whole lot more

2273
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:38,720
Speaker 2: with iHeart media aviation expert Jay Ratleft stick around fifty five.

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01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:42,560
Speaker 2: Ever been in a cockpit before? Ay thirty nine if

2275
01:56:42,680 --> 01:56:45,400
Speaker 2: you about kir CD talk station, Jay Rattlift I heeart media

2276
01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:48,520
Speaker 2: aviation expert, going into the aviation related issues today as

2277
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:51,120
Speaker 2: we do every Thursday, being at eight thirty. Moving over

2278
01:56:51,240 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 2: to Eric Canada. I saw this and I literally laughed

2279
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:55,840
Speaker 2: when it was just the headline I saw, but it

2280
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 2: summed it up quite nicely. President of Eric Canna had

2281
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 2: to has to retire carently getting a lot of heat

2282
01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:05,040
Speaker 2: because he doesn't speak French. Is that's a problem if

2283
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:07,280
Speaker 2: you're a Canadian. You got those folks in Montreal that

2284
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 2: don't understand a word you're saying.

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01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 8: Well, especially when you're offering condolences for the crew members

2286
01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:17,880
Speaker 8: that were lost in the crash. And that was what

2287
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,840
Speaker 8: really didn't set well with a lot of Canadians is saying, look,

2288
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:24,080
Speaker 8: not even in our native language can you offer condolences.

2289
01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 8: It was a speech in English, and they he's announced

2290
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 8: he's going to be retiring. The the the pr people

2291
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:32,440
Speaker 8: are saying no, no, no, no, no no, it was just

2292
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:35,800
Speaker 8: his time. Had nothing to do with that. And then

2293
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:40,280
Speaker 8: some of the more astute journalists said, Okay, you're gonna

2294
01:57:40,280 --> 01:57:43,040
Speaker 8: be going to be replaced. Will the successor be able

2295
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:46,160
Speaker 8: to speak? Oh, that'll be that'll be a requirement. So

2296
01:57:46,240 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 8: you know there's something there about about this because it

2297
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:53,040
Speaker 8: was just embarrassing and it was, but look, he was

2298
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:55,480
Speaker 8: brought there because he knows what he's doing Ye lead

2299
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,760
Speaker 8: an airline, and he's good at what he does. But

2300
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:01,160
Speaker 8: when you get behind in this kind of a curve,

2301
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:03,800
Speaker 8: it's tough to recover from. And that's one of one

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01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 8: of the things that took place. And yeah, you would

2303
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 8: have thought that would have been a priority if you

2304
01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:10,120
Speaker 8: took over, but apparently not.

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01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 2: Well, it was after the fact created priority. Hey wait

2306
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:15,880
Speaker 2: a minute, that guy didn't speak French. That's rather snobbish,

2307
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:18,200
Speaker 2: isn't it. I don't speak a four leg. I tried

2308
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:20,360
Speaker 2: to learn a foreign language, Jay, but I failed miserably

2309
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:22,640
Speaker 2: a German in high school. In college, so here I am.

2310
01:58:23,400 --> 01:58:26,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I learned that some of the easier classes

2311
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:28,600
Speaker 8: they said to take you still had to work at

2312
01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:34,840
Speaker 8: so I didn't. Well, I had a surprisingly you know,

2313
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:37,600
Speaker 8: average scholastic career. That's why I tell people it was.

2314
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:39,360
Speaker 8: It was very very average.

2315
01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's aokay. You obviously know what you're doing

2316
01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:44,440
Speaker 2: in your background has served you well in life, Jay,

2317
01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:45,720
Speaker 2: And that's all that really matters is.

2318
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:49,040
Speaker 8: Around six I graduated sixty second in my class, and

2319
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:51,280
Speaker 8: my dad said, at least more we're behind you than

2320
01:58:51,320 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 8: in front of you. And that was about the only condolence, I.

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01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:57,160
Speaker 2: Got there, you go, that's all right. We have what Africa.

2322
01:58:57,280 --> 01:59:00,560
Speaker 2: The control tower involved in this air Canada craft apparently

2323
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:03,600
Speaker 2: violated procedures. And because a lot of us out here

2324
01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 2: in the straight world don't understand aviation or issues like this,

2325
01:59:07,120 --> 01:59:08,920
Speaker 2: why in the hell was a fire truck allowed to

2326
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:10,680
Speaker 2: go over the runway in the first place? The plane

2327
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:13,800
Speaker 2: was coming in but parallel this conflicting information going back

2328
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:17,680
Speaker 2: and forth. So what was violated in terms of procedures.

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01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:20,320
Speaker 8: One of the things that National Transportation Safety Board is

2330
01:59:20,360 --> 01:59:24,000
Speaker 8: looking at is was the supervisor on duty in the

2331
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 8: tower doing dual operations working with both ground equipment and

2332
01:59:29,200 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 8: air aircraft, because that's a violation of the established protocol.

2333
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:35,880
Speaker 8: So what they're trying to do and they're trying to

2334
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:38,640
Speaker 8: determine and trying to verify, is did this take place

2335
01:59:39,160 --> 01:59:44,000
Speaker 8: and if so, to what extent? And that it gets

2336
01:59:44,040 --> 01:59:45,920
Speaker 8: just part of the investigations. One of the things that

2337
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:49,320
Speaker 8: they're looking at, because they're far from the final report

2338
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:51,240
Speaker 8: that will take a year after the crash to really

2339
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:53,800
Speaker 8: come out with, But what they're saying is this is

2340
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:57,680
Speaker 8: something that we're looking into and exactly who's in the tower,

2341
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:01,600
Speaker 8: what the responsibilities were and other things. The National Transportation

2342
02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:06,520
Speaker 8: Safety Board has in the past indicated how certain jobs

2343
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:09,960
Speaker 8: need to be singularly focused and not have one person

2344
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:13,240
Speaker 8: responsible for too many things. But the NTSB can only

2345
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:17,280
Speaker 8: make recommendations. It's like the DC crash that happened a

2346
02:00:17,400 --> 02:00:19,560
Speaker 8: January a year ago, where we had the collision with

2347
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 8: the helicopter in the American Airlines Regional jet. When the

2348
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:26,440
Speaker 8: final report came out from the NTSB here recently, they

2349
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:32,000
Speaker 8: gave fifty different recommendations based on their findings from that

2350
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:35,280
Speaker 8: that we could apply in procedures and policy moving forward

2351
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:39,800
Speaker 8: that would make commercial aviation safer. Now the FAA probably

2352
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:43,959
Speaker 8: won't implement five of those, but at least the NTSB

2353
02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:45,960
Speaker 8: is always trying to say, what can we do to

2354
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:49,120
Speaker 8: make aviation safer? How can we learn from this? And

2355
02:00:49,320 --> 02:00:51,200
Speaker 8: they're going to do the same thing with the Air

2356
02:00:51,240 --> 02:00:53,080
Speaker 8: Canada crash. They're going to come out and say, look,

2357
02:00:53,120 --> 02:00:56,000
Speaker 8: it's not a singular cause here. It's not a matter

2358
02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:59,120
Speaker 8: of simply an air traffic controller making a mistake. It's

2359
02:00:59,160 --> 02:01:02,920
Speaker 8: probably going to be multiple contributing causes, as most accidents

2360
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:05,640
Speaker 8: are that led to this disaster, and that's what we're

2361
02:01:05,640 --> 02:01:08,440
Speaker 8: going to find out, and you know, as the investigation continues,

2362
02:01:08,520 --> 02:01:09,360
Speaker 8: we'll see where it goes.

2363
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's the horror of what had to

2364
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:14,920
Speaker 2: be going through those late pilots' brains as they are,

2365
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:19,280
Speaker 2: you know, hurling headlong into that fire truck and with

2366
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:22,040
Speaker 2: no ability to pull out or otherwise prevent it from happening.

2367
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:25,560
Speaker 2: I just I don't know that there's any blame that

2368
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:27,600
Speaker 2: could be placed in the lapse of the pilots. It

2369
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:30,560
Speaker 2: just doesn't seem to be possible for me, because they

2370
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:32,440
Speaker 2: were told to land right, they.

2371
02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:36,480
Speaker 8: Were given clearance, they were following procedures when they broke

2372
02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:39,440
Speaker 8: the low ceilings and rotated down as far as the

2373
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:43,240
Speaker 8: rare landing gear and then you rotate forward for the

2374
02:01:43,320 --> 02:01:45,840
Speaker 8: forward landing gear to touch, and you've got all three

2375
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 8: you know, gears, if you will, on the ground at once.

2376
02:01:49,080 --> 02:01:51,480
Speaker 8: At that moment, you look up and you've got a

2377
02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:55,320
Speaker 8: vehicle that's starting to encroach on the runway, and you know,

2378
02:01:55,400 --> 02:01:58,440
Speaker 8: your mind is saying, we're cleared, they should be held,

2379
02:01:58,720 --> 02:02:01,280
Speaker 8: but you know, you're just responding and reacting at that

2380
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:04,760
Speaker 8: point in time. And I think it was when it

2381
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:07,400
Speaker 8: was on the ground that the captain took over the controls.

2382
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:10,520
Speaker 8: It was his aircraft, because you always want the more

2383
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:15,840
Speaker 8: experienced pilot and handling an emergency, and obviously the identified

2384
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:18,440
Speaker 8: what it was. They did what they could, but they

2385
02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:20,800
Speaker 8: just didn't have enough room. And you know, the one

2386
02:02:20,840 --> 02:02:23,360
Speaker 8: thing about it is we will learn more as we

2387
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:26,280
Speaker 8: hear the details from the cockpit voice recorder as far

2388
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:28,840
Speaker 8: as any conversations or things that might have been ongoing

2389
02:02:29,200 --> 02:02:31,680
Speaker 8: in those last few seconds. But they had so little

2390
02:02:31,680 --> 02:02:34,760
Speaker 8: time to respond. The crew did everything that they could,

2391
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:38,040
Speaker 8: and again, the fire truck was given permission to cross,

2392
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:39,520
Speaker 8: so they were doing what they could. And it was

2393
02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:41,600
Speaker 8: at an angle, so it wasn't like you're at a

2394
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:43,840
Speaker 8: four way stop. He just kind of glanced to your right.

2395
02:02:43,880 --> 02:02:46,120
Speaker 8: It was at an angle where their nose of the

2396
02:02:46,160 --> 02:02:49,680
Speaker 8: truck is apparently pointed away from the arriving aircraft. And

2397
02:02:49,720 --> 02:02:51,760
Speaker 8: you've got all these lights around you that are very

2398
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:54,440
Speaker 8: bright at the runway, so it's not like it would

2399
02:02:54,440 --> 02:02:56,600
Speaker 8: be so obvious that the plane is coming in. So

2400
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:00,800
Speaker 8: it's just a sad, sad situation that we, you know,

2401
02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:04,000
Speaker 8: look at, and you just we need to learn from

2402
02:03:04,040 --> 02:03:06,000
Speaker 8: it so that we can prevent it from ever happening again.

2403
02:03:06,040 --> 02:03:07,680
Speaker 2: That's exactly what needs to be done. One more with

2404
02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:10,560
Speaker 2: I ART Media aviation expert Jay Ratliff, maybe an illustration

2405
02:03:10,680 --> 02:03:14,080
Speaker 2: of societal decay with the next story stick around. Be

2406
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:22,840
Speaker 2: right back five KRC Many investors with two million plus talkstation, Hey,

2407
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:25,520
Speaker 2: forty eight fifty five KRCD talk station tomorrow on the

2408
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2409
02:03:28,360 --> 02:03:30,839
Speaker 2: every Friday at six point thirty for Tech Friday Plus

2410
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:33,280
Speaker 2: my buddies George and Keith going to be in studio

2411
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:36,280
Speaker 2: Restore Wellness. Going to get some great information about healthy

2412
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:40,240
Speaker 2: living and pivoting back to Jay Ratliffe real quick. I

2413
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:42,560
Speaker 2: think I know the answer and I'm going to say no.

2414
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:44,600
Speaker 2: But one of the listeners, Rick, wanted to know if

2415
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:47,560
Speaker 2: the ground equipment has a transponder like the aircraft.

2416
02:03:49,120 --> 02:03:52,520
Speaker 8: They do not normally, even though airports have the technology

2417
02:03:52,840 --> 02:03:56,040
Speaker 8: where that is possible. In fact, one of the things

2418
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:59,080
Speaker 8: that we'll see from the National Transportation Safety Board, I suspect,

2419
02:03:59,200 --> 02:04:03,920
Speaker 8: because we've already conversations on this, is having transponders so

2420
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:07,600
Speaker 8: that the air traffic control tower can keep up with

2421
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:10,520
Speaker 8: where everybody's at it at all times, so we'll have

2422
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:12,680
Speaker 8: to wait and see exactly which way this goes. But

2423
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:16,880
Speaker 8: most airports or most ground vehicles do not, and I

2424
02:04:16,920 --> 02:04:19,560
Speaker 8: think that we're moving in that direction very very quick.

2425
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:21,240
Speaker 2: Well, I can go out and get an Apple tag

2426
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:23,160
Speaker 2: and put it in a suitcase and figure out where

2427
02:04:23,160 --> 02:04:24,920
Speaker 2: that thing is at any given moment in time. So

2428
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:27,520
Speaker 2: it seems to me it's easy and affordable technology. So

2429
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:29,960
Speaker 2: you just need someone DEMANDATA being put in place for

2430
02:04:29,960 --> 02:04:32,760
Speaker 2: the benefit of all of us. I'm guessing anyway, you know, Jay,

2431
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:34,680
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that I will never run into a story

2432
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:36,160
Speaker 2: like this at some point in my life. This will

2433
02:04:36,160 --> 02:04:38,840
Speaker 2: never happen again. Because I review this, these three women

2434
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:40,720
Speaker 2: who wouldn't pay their bag fees, and there had been

2435
02:04:40,760 --> 02:04:46,959
Speaker 2: a melee as a reflection of societal decay, Jay, I would.

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Speaker 8: Agree, because you had these three women are on a

2437
02:04:49,160 --> 02:04:52,680
Speaker 8: frontier flight in Miami. They're at the gate and they

2438
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:55,160
Speaker 8: have paid for their carry on bag, which you need

2439
02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:57,480
Speaker 8: to do, but they had more than one, and the

2440
02:04:57,560 --> 02:05:00,600
Speaker 8: gate agent did exactly what she's trained to do, saying, look,

2441
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:03,760
Speaker 8: we need to have you pay for these additional bags

2442
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:05,120
Speaker 8: and then we'll get you on the plane. Well, the

2443
02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:08,520
Speaker 8: women didn't want to refuse, and then push their way

2444
02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:11,640
Speaker 8: past the agent and board the airplane and flop down

2445
02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:14,480
Speaker 8: in the seats as though possession is what ninety percent

2446
02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:16,200
Speaker 8: of the law or something, because my butts in the seat.

2447
02:05:16,200 --> 02:05:17,960
Speaker 8: I don't know how that's saying goes.

2448
02:05:18,240 --> 02:05:18,720
Speaker 4: You would know.

2449
02:05:18,760 --> 02:05:22,920
Speaker 8: But the frontier agent gets it, follows and says, look,

2450
02:05:23,080 --> 02:05:24,920
Speaker 8: we need a have you pay for this, but b

2451
02:05:25,480 --> 02:05:27,080
Speaker 8: if you're not, we need to get you off the plane.

2452
02:05:27,160 --> 02:05:28,720
Speaker 8: And they said, no, we're not going to move. And

2453
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:31,400
Speaker 8: the agents and the flight attendants try to make it

2454
02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:33,560
Speaker 8: clear to these three if you don't, we have to

2455
02:05:33,560 --> 02:05:36,560
Speaker 8: involve law enforcement. We don't want to do that. Well,

2456
02:05:36,760 --> 02:05:39,720
Speaker 8: they would not, budget law enforcement boards the plane. They

2457
02:05:39,720 --> 02:05:42,680
Speaker 8: still won't leave. So that's when the police, knowing that

2458
02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:45,600
Speaker 8: there might be a bit of a scene, oh yeah,

2459
02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:49,360
Speaker 8: back off and everybody's off the plane takes everybody's getting

2460
02:05:49,400 --> 02:05:51,560
Speaker 8: off the plane, while these three women are just sitting

2461
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:55,800
Speaker 8: there refusing to comply, and they kept saying they had

2462
02:05:55,800 --> 02:05:58,640
Speaker 8: a boarding pass. And what the police and the agents

2463
02:05:58,640 --> 02:06:02,760
Speaker 8: were saying is that has been voided. You no longer

2464
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:04,680
Speaker 8: have a boarding pass to be on this flight. You

2465
02:06:04,720 --> 02:06:09,920
Speaker 8: are now trespassing. You're facing a line of charges here,

2466
02:06:10,120 --> 02:06:13,360
Speaker 8: and again you're trying to avoid having this kind of

2467
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:16,120
Speaker 8: a situation take place, and you're trying to peel to

2468
02:06:16,120 --> 02:06:19,919
Speaker 8: people's reasons reasoning, but nope, they weren't.

2469
02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:20,360
Speaker 4: Budgeting, Brian.

2470
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:23,000
Speaker 8: So everybody had to get off that plane so that

2471
02:06:23,080 --> 02:06:27,520
Speaker 8: police could in essence remove these individuals. That took some effort,

2472
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:28,760
Speaker 8: and you don't want that on video.

2473
02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:30,120
Speaker 4: That's why you get everybody else the plane.

2474
02:06:30,600 --> 02:06:32,920
Speaker 8: And the other thing is the people left and I

2475
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:34,880
Speaker 8: think the flight was delayed by an hour because of

2476
02:06:34,920 --> 02:06:37,760
Speaker 8: the antics of these three women. Now not only was

2477
02:06:37,800 --> 02:06:41,040
Speaker 8: that flight delayed, but it goes somewhere where another group

2478
02:06:41,080 --> 02:06:43,280
Speaker 8: of people are waiting to catch the flight go somewhere,

2479
02:06:43,320 --> 02:06:46,360
Speaker 8: so you could end up delaying something for an extended

2480
02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:50,080
Speaker 8: period of time. And that's really unfortunate when that happens.

2481
02:06:50,120 --> 02:06:54,080
Speaker 8: But that's exactly what took place here because of three

2482
02:06:54,120 --> 02:06:57,520
Speaker 8: people that were just bound to determine and not to

2483
02:06:57,560 --> 02:06:59,640
Speaker 8: pay that bag fee. And I guarantee you this, they

2484
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:03,720
Speaker 8: violated federal law by not responding to the instructions of

2485
02:07:03,720 --> 02:07:07,360
Speaker 8: a uniform crew member. The FAA could send them and

2486
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:11,880
Speaker 8: may send them a fine for maybe ten thousand dollars apiece,

2487
02:07:12,280 --> 02:07:14,840
Speaker 8: and then I wonder if they're thinking, Wow, maybe it

2488
02:07:14,840 --> 02:07:16,760
Speaker 8: would have been a really good idea if we'd have

2489
02:07:16,760 --> 02:07:17,960
Speaker 8: paid that bag fee.

2490
02:07:18,320 --> 02:07:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe for one of twenty five bucks. They're going

2491
02:07:21,320 --> 02:07:23,640
Speaker 2: to find out themselves banned from airline flights. They're going

2492
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:25,800
Speaker 2: to find themselves facing a ten thousand dollars fine and

2493
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:29,320
Speaker 2: maybe even some sort of prosecution, because you know, this

2494
02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:32,240
Speaker 2: is a federal issue. You never know, somebody's going.

2495
02:07:32,240 --> 02:07:34,520
Speaker 8: To have to be an example and they'll be banned

2496
02:07:34,520 --> 02:07:37,400
Speaker 8: from Frontier, but they won't be banned from other airlines,

2497
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:39,240
Speaker 8: even though they should be. Yeah, I think if you

2498
02:07:39,320 --> 02:07:42,560
Speaker 8: act up like that, especially that kind of a situation,

2499
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:44,680
Speaker 8: you should be putting time out for like two years,

2500
02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:48,520
Speaker 8: maybe three nothing, no lifetime ban, just something that sends

2501
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:51,240
Speaker 8: the message that here we go again on this topic.

2502
02:07:51,480 --> 02:07:53,280
Speaker 8: There are consequences to your actions.

2503
02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:55,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there are. And that video that's gone around

2504
02:07:55,400 --> 02:07:57,920
Speaker 2: about their antics and how they behave didn't look well

2505
02:07:57,960 --> 02:07:59,600
Speaker 2: for them. I mean, I don't think there's a human

2506
02:07:59,600 --> 02:08:01,120
Speaker 2: being on the planet of the looks that goes. I

2507
02:08:01,160 --> 02:08:02,480
Speaker 2: want to be that person.

2508
02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:03,840
Speaker 4: So well, then you.

2509
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:06,200
Speaker 8: Wonder who they work for and things like that, and

2510
02:08:06,240 --> 02:08:09,040
Speaker 8: that's when it spills into your private life and all

2511
02:08:09,120 --> 02:08:12,040
Speaker 8: kind all kinds of bad things. Oh, this person works

2512
02:08:12,040 --> 02:08:14,080
Speaker 8: for this company. Why I didn't know they employed those

2513
02:08:14,160 --> 02:08:14,680
Speaker 8: kind of people.

2514
02:08:14,760 --> 02:08:18,160
Speaker 2: Yes, there you go, and so it goes and finally,

2515
02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:20,480
Speaker 2: don't do this. Vaping on a plane is ver boat

2516
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:22,560
Speaker 2: and apparently it doesn't go well for you if you

2517
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:24,600
Speaker 2: ignore the law and the rules.

2518
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:27,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, I had a Jet Blue flight that was coming in.

2519
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:31,520
Speaker 8: Passenger was vaping. The alarm goes off and the captain

2520
02:08:31,560 --> 02:08:33,200
Speaker 8: they get him out of there, and the captain calls

2521
02:08:33,480 --> 02:08:37,160
Speaker 8: the ahead and asks for law enforcement to be standing by,

2522
02:08:37,680 --> 02:08:41,320
Speaker 8: and in the back and forth, the captain said, we

2523
02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:43,800
Speaker 8: just want somebody to talk to him, to talk to

2524
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:46,880
Speaker 8: explain how serious it is. So that made me think

2525
02:08:46,920 --> 02:08:49,320
Speaker 8: that they're gonna kind of be a little bit okay

2526
02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:51,760
Speaker 8: and not be you know, and not gonna throw them

2527
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:54,000
Speaker 8: in jail arresting those kinds of things. Just try to

2528
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:57,120
Speaker 8: explain it, because if you scare people enough, they're gonna

2529
02:08:57,120 --> 02:08:59,360
Speaker 8: get they're gonna get it right. And a lot of

2530
02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:01,840
Speaker 8: times when you got a bunch of police officers that

2531
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:04,040
Speaker 8: you don't know if you're going to jail, be detained,

2532
02:09:04,360 --> 02:09:08,240
Speaker 8: whatever it might happen to be that is enough, and

2533
02:09:08,280 --> 02:09:10,240
Speaker 8: typically that's the case, and I think that's what they

2534
02:09:10,280 --> 02:09:13,000
Speaker 8: were trying to do here. But yeah, some people can't

2535
02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:16,080
Speaker 8: go X amount of minutes without baping, smoking, what have you,

2536
02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:18,640
Speaker 8: and you simply can't do it on a plane because,

2537
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:22,960
Speaker 8: just like we talked about before, that's against the rules.

2538
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:25,880
Speaker 8: That's a federal offense. You're endangering the lives of other people.

2539
02:09:25,880 --> 02:09:27,960
Speaker 8: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, all of this right,

2540
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:31,920
Speaker 8: and yeah, you could face a fine ten thousand dollars

2541
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:34,640
Speaker 8: or more and face jail time.

2542
02:09:34,720 --> 02:09:37,120
Speaker 4: Please don't, Yeah, don't. Don't do things you're not supposed to.

2543
02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:40,160
Speaker 2: You can disagree with the rule or the law. You

2544
02:09:40,200 --> 02:09:42,200
Speaker 2: can think it's stupid, you can point out that it's

2545
02:09:42,200 --> 02:09:45,240
Speaker 2: not actually combustible and it really is fairly innocuous by

2546
02:09:45,240 --> 02:09:49,640
Speaker 2: comparison to actual smoking. Nonetheless, that's the law. So suck

2547
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Speaker 2: it up and deal with it and don't break it,

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Speaker 2: and you won't ruin everybody else's day. So we typically

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Speaker 2: end here. I heart mediaviation Expert JA RADLFF. How's it

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02:09:56,280 --> 02:09:58,080
Speaker 2: look out there for flying? Any help delays?

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Speaker 8: Oh gosh, you know, normally we've got really good days, Brian,

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Speaker 8: We don't. I mean it's not a good day. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: Dallas and Houston issues, Minneapolis issues, weather problems for Chicago

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Speaker 8: that are going to be We've already dealing with issues

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Speaker 8: in New York later Boston. It's just going to be

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Speaker 8: a day where we're going to have a challenging data fly.

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Speaker 8: So take a lot of patience if you're headed to today's.

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Speaker 2: Airports and call ahead find out if your flight is delayed.

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Speaker 2: Jay Rattler, thank you for your time each and every week,

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Speaker 2: my friend, It's always a real pleasure for my listeners

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Speaker 2: to me and again I'll behalf of my entire listening audience,

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Speaker 2: and Joe Strecker and my family to you. Have a wonderful,

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Speaker 2: wonderful Easter weekend.