Speaker 1: Hey, Alan, and Saturday midday on another cold Saturday morning.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what this was one of those weeks
Speaker 1: where it's like, Wow, what do I talk about?
Speaker 2: Where do I begin? So much going on.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a lot of stories, but the one
Speaker 1: that I want to follow and keep following closely is
Speaker 1: the unfolding fraud in the state of Minnesota.
Speaker 2: And it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger by
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 1: It's just amazing to me how this could go on
Speaker 1: and nobody. You'd want to say nobody knows about it,
Speaker 1: but they do, but nobody does anything about it. Along
Speaker 1: those lines, eleven o'clock, we're going to be talking to
Speaker 1: our friend Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times. Janis is
Speaker 1: on the ground there. She filed no less than I
Speaker 1: believe it's five separate stories this week about it, and
Speaker 1: we will be talking to Janis at eleven o'clock about it.
Speaker 1: It's just it's really unbelievable. It grows by the day.
Speaker 1: As I said, it's now up to as I understand it,
Speaker 1: eight about eight billion dollars. And this is not just
Speaker 1: from one or two programs, but numerous benefit programs, which
Speaker 1: of course you know where the dough comes from. That
Speaker 1: doesn't grow on trees. It comes out of your and
Speaker 1: my pocket. The Department of Labor is involved now. They're
Speaker 1: sending investigators out. They call them strike teams, and I
Speaker 1: guess there's a suspicion that there's some hanky panky and
Speaker 1: monkey business going on with unemployment funds.
Speaker 2: So they're on the ground out there.
Speaker 1: The Department of Education, Lenna McMahon is on top of
Speaker 1: it as well as all federal agencies are because this
Speaker 1: thing is just unprecedented.
Speaker 2: But never fear though.
Speaker 1: I guess it's all just a big reaction because this
Speaker 1: week Governor Tampon Tim Waugh has named a new.
Speaker 2: Anti fraud czar.
Speaker 1: I think you're just a little bit late on the
Speaker 1: draw there, Governor. This person is now the new quote
Speaker 1: Director of Program Integrity close quote Again, probably could have
Speaker 1: used him about ten years ago. The IRS is not
Speaker 1: now involved as well. They're looking into the money that
Speaker 1: is going to al Shabab, which of course is a
Speaker 1: terrorist group. Boy, when the IRS gets their hooks into you,
Speaker 1: look out. Small Business Administration involved as well. They're looking
Speaker 1: at who got small business loans and why. The House
Speaker 1: Oversight Committee, thank goodness. They are now involved as well,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of specific at this point. They're looking
Speaker 1: into whether Governor Waltz and Attorney General Keith Ellison, and
Speaker 1: you may recall I will remind you every time I
Speaker 1: have to utter his name that he is a good friend,
Speaker 1: very good friend of none other than lovable Louis Farrakhon,
Speaker 1: who arguably is the biggest anti Semite in the history
Speaker 1: of this country.
Speaker 2: Their buddy buddies. At any rate.
Speaker 1: The House Oversight Committee is going to look into whether
Speaker 1: Governor Waltz and Attorney General Ellison ignored fraud reports from whistleblowers.
Speaker 1: I think that's an easy one to answer.
Speaker 2: You know, they did.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, when that committee gets their
Speaker 1: hooks into you, they're going to find some things out.
Speaker 1: The question is, what, if anything, can they do about it?
Speaker 1: And there is some good news coming out of Minnesota
Speaker 1: Operation Metro Surge from ICE. They have snared more than
Speaker 1: four hundred illegal alliens since December, the first in the
Speaker 1: state of Minnesota. So obviously that's a good thing. You know.
Speaker 1: The thing is this is so screwed up, and Janis
Speaker 1: is going to talk about this. They actually found a
Speaker 1: person who was already indicted. And I think there were
Speaker 1: seven indictments for fraud this week. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about those in a minute. But anyway, they found a
Speaker 1: person who was already indicted for this fraud but is
Speaker 1: still receiving payments.
Speaker 2: From the state.
Speaker 1: Of course it's federal money, but the payments go through
Speaker 1: the state, still receiving some money from another fraudulent program.
Speaker 1: You can't write this stuff up. I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: make it up. You just can't. And again, with respect
Speaker 1: to those new indictments, according to AI, which I have
Speaker 1: found to be accurate, on Thursday, this Thursday, December eighteenth,
Speaker 1: federal prosecutors unsealed new indictments against six additional individuals in
Speaker 1: Minnesota as part of an expanding probe into multi million dollars,
Speaker 1: in this case medicaid fraud. And this is if it
Speaker 1: weren't so sad, it would be funny. A new term
Speaker 1: has been coined as a result of this stuff. And
Speaker 1: that term, and you know, I look at this stuff,
Speaker 1: I keep up with it. I'm seeing it. With respect
Speaker 1: to the story, the term is fraud tourists. Fraud tourists.
Speaker 1: They are people that apparently there's quite a few of
Speaker 1: them who traveled to Minnesota specifically to exploit these state
Speaker 1: funded social service programs fraud tourists. So again, thank you Democrats,
Speaker 1: Thank you tampon, Tim Keith Ellison for that fraud tourist. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the new programs that are getting scrutiny and where
Speaker 1: the indictments came out of Housing Stabilization Services HHS fraud.
Speaker 1: Five individuals assign And let me just say from the beginning,
Speaker 1: if I mispronounce these words, I could care less these names.
Speaker 1: Hassan Ahmad, who said Ahmad abadibidab Mohammad, Kamil, Omar Salah, Anthony, Well,
Speaker 1: here we go, some normal ones, Anthony Waddell, Jefferson and
Speaker 1: Lester Brown. They're all charged with the frauding programs that
Speaker 1: provide housing assistance for people with disabilities and mental illness.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you're going to screw somebody, I
Speaker 1: guess in their warped mind, these kind of people, these
Speaker 1: vulnerable people are okay to screw. Well anyway, our buddies
Speaker 1: Hussein and Mohammed and you know, by the way, and
Speaker 1: I'll probably catch some crap for this.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 1: You know, wasn't it to deal with originally with people
Speaker 1: coming into our country, citizens coming into Ellis Island, that
Speaker 1: not all of them, not all of them, but many
Speaker 1: of them americanized their names. Well, you don't see any
Speaker 1: of that anymore. It's obvious, just throwing that out there anyway,
Speaker 1: Hussein to Mohammed, they are the owners of Pristine Health LLC.
Speaker 1: They allegedly used seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in
Speaker 1: stolen Medicaid funds for extensive international travel that you and
Speaker 1: I are paying for. Jefferson and Brow reportedly moved to
Speaker 1: Minnesota after being told the state's programs were a quote
Speaker 1: good opportunity to make money.
Speaker 2: You know, there's your fraud tourist submitting up.
Speaker 1: To three point five million in false bills despite having
Speaker 1: no network in the local community. And we learned about
Speaker 1: this one last week. The autism program fraud abadibidab Hassan
Speaker 1: was indicted for allegedly registering a company to channel state
Speaker 1: resources intended for families of children with autism. Isn't that great?
Speaker 1: Let's screw those people over. He is accused of stealing
Speaker 1: it its only six million and using a portion of
Speaker 1: the funds to purchase are you ready, not a luxury vehicle,
Speaker 1: but a semi truck. Now you know what I could
Speaker 1: see where you would probably need a semi to fight autism.
Speaker 1: Of course, I say that very tongue in cheek. Allegations
Speaker 1: of terrorists funding federal authorities. As I said before, are
Speaker 1: investigating claims that a portion of these defrauded tax dollars,
Speaker 1: your dollars, my dollars may have been diverted to the
Speaker 1: terrorist organization Al Shabab in are you ready Somalia? So again,
Speaker 1: just another word about these fraud tourists. They travel to
Speaker 1: Minnesota after a friend told them that state programs were
Speaker 1: again quote, a good opportunity to make some money. That's
Speaker 1: what the prosecutors say. That's what they are alleging. They
Speaker 1: are saying that Minnesota has become a magnet for fraud,
Speaker 1: so much so that we have developed a fraud tourism industry. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's hard to imagine this getting any worse,
Speaker 1: but it probably will. Okay, Now at this point you're
Speaker 1: probably asking yourself, how could this have happened? Why didn't
Speaker 1: someone do something about it? Well, you know, I think
Speaker 1: I have at least a partial answer to that, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about an article that appeared on
Speaker 1: Fox on the website, not I don't think it was
Speaker 1: on TV, but on the website. And I just want
Speaker 1: to read a few passages from me because it answers
Speaker 1: the question how could this have happened? And why didn't
Speaker 1: somebody do something about it? Okay, it's by Andrew Miller,
Speaker 1: and it's entitled how fears of being labeled racist help
Speaker 1: provide cover for the exploding Minnesota fraud scandal. I really
Speaker 1: probably don't have to read anymore just from that headline,
Speaker 1: but I will. Aftermath of the massive Feeding our Future
Speaker 1: scandal and broader allegations of systemic fraud in Minnesota's social programs,
Speaker 1: a troubling theme has emerged. Accusations of racism repeatedly used
Speaker 1: to deflect scrutiny, intimidate investigators, install accountability rumors, and reports
Speaker 1: of fraud in Minneapolis, primarily within the cities exploding Somali community. Now,
Speaker 1: I gotta be careful about about saying that. You really
Speaker 1: got to be careful, you know, you just you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to do that, because not all of them are
Speaker 1: doing this stuff, only about ninety percent of them, I guess.
Speaker 1: But he just that's something that they've been beating a
Speaker 1: drum on anyway, primarily within the cities. Exploding Somali community
Speaker 1: have been circulating at least for a decade, but criticism
Speaker 1: of the fraud has been largely dis missed by elected Democrats.
Speaker 1: Two wit tampon tim as racist or being underpinned by
Speaker 1: animosity towards foreigners. News stories focused on Somali fraudsters in
Speaker 1: recent years were shot down as racist. So you wonder
Speaker 1: why nobody's done anything about it. I think, at least
Speaker 1: in part that is Your answer goes on to say
Speaker 1: the whole story kind of died under these accusations that
Speaker 1: people were being called racist. This guy named Bill Glen,
Speaker 1: he's a policy fellow with the Center of the American Experience.
Speaker 1: He told Fox News quote, Oh, maybe somebody stole a
Speaker 1: little bit here, a little bit there, but there's nothing
Speaker 1: systemic going on close quote.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he said that tongue in cheek
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 1: Former US Assistant Attorney Assistant US Attorney Joe Tarab, who
Speaker 1: helped take on federal prosecutors in the Eating Few Future
Speaker 1: case that was the first one they found out about,
Speaker 1: described to Fox News digital how individuals implicated in the
Speaker 1: fraud leaned on racial accusations as a shield.
Speaker 2: Listen to this.
Speaker 1: According to to read, suspects explicitly invoked race during a
Speaker 1: sleep secretly recorded meeting with none other than a dear
Speaker 1: friend of lovable Louis fair con Attorney General Keith Ellison,
Speaker 1: asserting that investigators were targeting them only because of their race. Well,
Speaker 1: there you have it, folks, once again, once again, the
Speaker 1: American citizens and taxpayers come last. You just throw these
Speaker 1: idiotic accusations out there, and let's just see where it
Speaker 1: goes from there.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just disgusting.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, again there's your answer as to how
Speaker 1: this could have happened and nobody did anything about it.
Speaker 2: You look at the players.
Speaker 1: Tim Waltz, what a buffoon of the highest degree. You're
Speaker 1: gonna tell me that he's governor of this state and
Speaker 1: he doesn't know this crap's going on. Please the attorney general,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what's going on. I mean, there's just
Speaker 1: no way that that can be. And like I said,
Speaker 1: once again, the American taxpayers, you and I we take
Speaker 1: it on the chin a big time.
Speaker 2: And again you're gonna hear this over and over.
Speaker 1: I think we're only scratching the surface so far at
Speaker 1: the six to eight billion. I'm gonna talk to Janis
Speaker 1: about that and ask her her thoughts. Here's an example.
Speaker 1: I just want to give you a practical example of
Speaker 1: what's driving this stuff. Okay, this week, when a reporter
Speaker 1: asked Governor Waltz if he wanted the Somali community to
Speaker 1: step up and take some ownership of this problem. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine that being held accountable take ownership? Anyway, when
Speaker 1: they ask him about that, here's what he said, and
Speaker 1: I'm quoting him, Governor Waltz tampon, Tim, Look, it's not
Speaker 1: law abiding citizens. If that were the case, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of white men. Should be holding a lot of
Speaker 1: white men accountable for the crimes that they have committed.
Speaker 1: He goes on to say, I think for the community
Speaker 1: to maybe educate their population, because I think what you're
Speaker 1: seeing here is there's secondary victims in this that there's
Speaker 1: providers inside the community that are then victimizing the community
Speaker 1: themselves by signing up. Because when you're going when you're
Speaker 1: going to some of the some of these people they're
Speaker 1: like this is amazing. They're like I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I was in this program, so I think it's asking
Speaker 1: this then, you know, for every crime, which of course
Speaker 1: the majority being committed, the majority are being committed by
Speaker 1: white men, asking us to do more about that, I
Speaker 1: think it's crime in general. Folks there, It is the
Speaker 1: typical liberal solution when they don't have a legitimate answer
Speaker 1: for anything.
Speaker 2: Two things, scream racism, blame white men.
Speaker 1: I can't believe this buffoon actually said that.
Speaker 2: You see, you know, white men are.
Speaker 1: The punching bag for just about everything, it seems like
Speaker 1: these days. You know, I want to look at the
Speaker 1: cast of characters involved in this, but we don't have
Speaker 1: time to do it now, but maybe sometime later in
Speaker 1: the show. But it's you got your il han omar
Speaker 1: as I said Keith Ellis, and boy there's some other
Speaker 1: shady characters and we're going to take a look at them.
Speaker 1: But for now, hey, you know, that's what I think.
Speaker 1: I want to know what you think. Seven four nine,
Speaker 1: seven thousand, eight hundred The big one are the numbers.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen Saturday, Mind Now, nine thirty nine, News Radio
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: Mike Allen Saturday.
Speaker 1: Midday talking about the growing and unfolding scandals plural in
Speaker 1: the state of Minnesota where they're doling out your taxpayer
Speaker 1: dollars because again most of it's federal to just about
Speaker 1: anyone for just about anything. Hey, I'm going to get
Speaker 1: to the calls here in just a minute. By the way,
Speaker 1: open lines of course, from nine thirty to ten, also
Speaker 1: this morning from ten till ten thirty and eleven thirty
Speaker 1: to noon, so lots of time to talk today if
Speaker 1: you would like to do that. Seven four nine, seven thousand, one,
Speaker 1: eight hundred, the big one are the just for a
Speaker 1: minute or so here, I wanted to give you an
Speaker 1: idea to cast the characters involved in this. And again
Speaker 1: this is just a small part of the fraud. These
Speaker 1: people have been identified so far. These are mainly, as
Speaker 1: I understand it, from the Feeding our Future program alleged
Speaker 1: program where all these meals for kids were supposed to
Speaker 1: be prepared and given to the kids. Apparently almost none were.
Speaker 1: And then another particularly onerous one is the Kid's Autism
Speaker 1: Program or the purpose of it was to help kids
Speaker 1: with autism, but again it was just a front for theft. Okay,
Speaker 1: with respect to those two programs, you got a guy
Speaker 1: named Salim Ahmed said, he's the former owner of a
Speaker 1: popular restaurant. I think it's called Safari Restaurant. Okay, well
Speaker 1: if you look at it, then you take Ilhan Omar.
Speaker 2: We all know about her and who she is.
Speaker 1: She held her twenty eighteen congressional victory party at are
Speaker 1: you ready the Safari Restaurant, and she has appeared with
Speaker 1: mister Salim Ahmad said at numerous political and civil events.
Speaker 1: Now does that necessarily mean that Ilhan omer Omar has
Speaker 1: her hand in the cookie jar? No, it does not,
Speaker 1: but I think it's appropriate and there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: pointing things like that out.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Then you have a person by the name of Hadji
Speaker 1: Asman Salad. He claimed to be a vendor for more
Speaker 1: than are you ready fifteen million dollars of meals delivered
Speaker 1: next to none, next to none, fifteen million. There have
Speaker 1: been some good meals.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: Then let's see a guy named Abazi beizuz Od Shafari
Speaker 1: Farrah that a little bit of a part of this thing.
Speaker 1: His company allegedly stole more than forty seven million bucks.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Then you go to Gandhi Yusef Mohammad oh he donated
Speaker 1: to Keith Allison, Attorney General, Keith Ellison, friend of Louis Farrakhan,
Speaker 1: Keith Ellison's reelection campaign. Hey, he was charged with laundering
Speaker 1: about one point one million bucks. Then you go to
Speaker 1: an individual by the name of Lebon Ali Shier donated
Speaker 1: again to Keith Ellison's campaign. He was charged in the
Speaker 1: Meal program scheme. Then of course you got Keith Ellison.
Speaker 1: He took donations, as I just said, from Gandhi and
Speaker 1: Lebon And again, does that mean that because he took
Speaker 1: money from them for his campaign that he did anything illegal.
Speaker 1: I think he can argue it's damn improper, but no,
Speaker 1: it does not. But again, I think it's appropriate and
Speaker 1: I think it's helpful to point those things out. Just
Speaker 1: another couple of things here I can get to real quick,
Speaker 1: but I think they're important. This two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million dollar fraud scheme that I was just talking about,
Speaker 1: where the funds were meant to go to, what they
Speaker 1: were meant to do. Okay, feeding our Kids program, that's
Speaker 1: the main one it was supposed to help. It was
Speaker 1: supposed to help recovering addicts find a place to live.
Speaker 1: We talked about that last week. A hell of a good,
Speaker 1: noble cause, but again next to nothing was spent on that. Also,
Speaker 1: the funds were supposed to help disabled adults live independently,
Speaker 1: again another good cause. And it was supposed to go
Speaker 1: to help one on one therapy for and this is
Speaker 1: particularly disgusting autistic children. And I think it's probably about
Speaker 1: zero dollars. When to that, Now where the funds did
Speaker 1: actually go wire transfers to China and East Africa. Read
Speaker 1: into that, whatever you want. They actually went to funding
Speaker 1: a villa of money for a villa in the Maldives,
Speaker 1: first class plane tickets to Istanbul and Amsterdam read into
Speaker 1: that whatever you want. Also, stacks of cash apparently was
Speaker 1: texted between defendants.
Speaker 2: That's the allegation.
Speaker 1: The funds went to luxury cars, lakefront property in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: and designer jewelry. Well, there you have it, folks, there's
Speaker 1: your tax dollars at work. And this is exactly exactly
Speaker 1: what happens when you put liberals in charge of money.
Speaker 1: This scene is not a new one. The extent of
Speaker 1: it is probably new, but not the facts of what happened. Really, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go to the phones. Let's stop with start with
Speaker 1: kurt in Madisonville. He wants me to be careful with exploiting. Kurt,
Speaker 1: how you doing?
Speaker 4: Hey more, Mike, how are you?
Speaker 2: Jude?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you need to be very very careful with
Speaker 4: the language that you're using.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're talking about tell me.
Speaker 4: What exploding Somali populations. That's a real possibility.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, let.
Speaker 2: Me stop you there.
Speaker 1: Obviously I didn't mean detonating explosives for them, you know,
Speaker 1: I know, Okay.
Speaker 4: I know, I'm just I'm just giving you.
Speaker 2: A hard go ahead. That's fine.
Speaker 4: But honestly, this entire Minnesota thing is just it's how
Speaker 4: much more of it is going on and where Kurt everywhere? Yeah,
Speaker 4: we gotta get rid of these people. I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: we just we every last one of them that came over.
Speaker 4: We got to get rid of these people and take
Speaker 4: this country.
Speaker 1: Back exactly exactly as far as getting rid of them,
Speaker 1: we have to do. We have to do that within
Speaker 1: you know what the laws says that we can do.
Speaker 4: But I think I'm not I'm not suggesting that we
Speaker 4: go out, you know, And I get that, I get
Speaker 4: that saying we need we need to send them back where.
Speaker 6: They came from.
Speaker 1: You know, and the other thing too. And I've already
Speaker 1: gotten some crap on this one, you know. Uh tampon
Speaker 1: Tim said, well, you know, these white males, if it
Speaker 1: were that, it would be different.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: I read something and I'm gonna I think it was
Speaker 1: one of Janis Heisel's articles.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask her.
Speaker 1: It's like, she's great, very good, very good, thank you
Speaker 1: for I'll pass that on to her. Uh, it's ninety
Speaker 1: something percent of the people indicted are of Somalian background.
Speaker 1: I mean, why aren't you allowed to say that? Why
Speaker 1: are these people in our country? I don't I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say that until the damn cows come home.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I couldn't agree more. Yeah, I mean, but until
Speaker 4: you know, we we we just got to get rid
Speaker 4: of them. We need to start deporting all these their
Speaker 4: their interlopers. They are just here just feeding off of us.
Speaker 2: Of us.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's been pretty well thick of it,
Speaker 1: pretty well documented. Uh so far at least that you know,
Speaker 1: people scratch their heads like you and I say, how
Speaker 1: could this have happened and nobody knew and or did
Speaker 1: anything about it?
Speaker 2: Well, it's the accusations of racism.
Speaker 1: Let's just throw and then you know, guys like Tampon,
Speaker 1: Tim and Ellison, they go cower in their corner. Oh,
Speaker 1: we can't do anything about that. And with respect to
Speaker 1: Ellison and probably Waltz too, they probably got campaign dough
Speaker 1: from them. So look, I think we're only at the
Speaker 1: beginning of this thing, Kurt. But I appreciate the call.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the tongue in cheek nature of what you said, too.
Speaker 2: I really do well.
Speaker 4: Like I said, be careful when you start talking about
Speaker 4: exploding small.
Speaker 1: I hear you, buddy, hear you, thank you? Okay, thanks, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And guess, in a way, he's right. You
Speaker 1: do have to watch what you say. But I ain't
Speaker 1: holding back and I don't care. I could care less
Speaker 1: if some live out there and say, oh, he's saying this,
Speaker 1: he's mispronouncing their names.
Speaker 2: Guess what, I don't care. Like so many Americans, I'm
Speaker 2: sick of it.
Speaker 1: Why should we the taxpayers have to fund this and
Speaker 1: put up with it? You know, Ellison and mainly uh
Speaker 1: Governor Waltz, they should resign immediately. And they I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's a federal criminal charge for just about everything, and
Speaker 1: negligence can be It frequently is not, it's rare, but
Speaker 1: negligence can be the basis of a criminal charge. I
Speaker 1: think this is at least negligence, and probably much much
Speaker 1: more than that. And again, what are we like three
Speaker 1: weeks into this thing. It's just gonna keep getting worse
Speaker 1: and worse. And it's a shame with all the legitimate
Speaker 1: needs that we have. And you know, I just read
Speaker 1: to some of them. I mean, kids with autism. You're
Speaker 1: gonna screw parents of kids with autism, you to take
Speaker 1: money away from them. It's just again, it would be
Speaker 1: hard to write a worse script than it truly is. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's talk to Fred down in Saint Petersburg. Hey, Fred, how.
Speaker 2: Are you doing.
Speaker 7: I'm doing fine. Uh you mentioned the Safari restaurant. Yeah,
Speaker 7: about eight six, eight months ago, there was a guy
Speaker 7: testified in court on one of these cases and they
Speaker 7: brought up the Safari restaurant. He said, well, you can't
Speaker 7: do anything, you can't run for political office or anything
Speaker 7: without going through the Safari restaurant that was in court.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and uh so it's it was it's like the mob.
Speaker 8: You know, mobs Havealian restaurants, you know, what I mean. Also,
Speaker 8: and that Wall statement, you know that he's a racist,
Speaker 8: you're in simple and another thing. Uh uh, they're gonna
Speaker 8: go after all the money. And I'd be curious to
Speaker 8: find out how much money went through some of these
Speaker 8: d md W dealers. You mentioned fancy cars and the
Speaker 8: Mercedes dealers.
Speaker 7: I'd love to be a salesman up there for a while.
Speaker 7: But also there was a guy who was said he
Speaker 7: was going to buy a bunch of land around Oak
Speaker 7: Grove north of Minneapolis, and he was selling plots and
Speaker 7: said he was going to build a bunch of houses.
Speaker 7: And uh so this guy and he scammed everybody. And
Speaker 7: he was a Somali or Muslim. I don't know if
Speaker 7: it's Somali, but he's Muslim and it was going to
Speaker 7: be a pure Muslim community, and he was scamming the
Speaker 7: scammers because they were spending money, you know, like water.
Speaker 7: And also, uh, I think they ought to look into
Speaker 7: some of the major newspapers up there's a number of newspapers,
Speaker 7: but those newspapers haven't been followed. They are now, but
Speaker 7: for years other people have known about this, and the
Speaker 7: newspapers weren't doing a damn thing about it. We weren't
Speaker 7: talking about it, so they're getting their cut and uh
Speaker 7: the uh, well, you know what I mean. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's just, uh, I can't.
Speaker 8: Wait to see this open up.
Speaker 7: Man, It's going to be golden.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable when you think about it.
Speaker 1: And you know, the point that you just made with
Speaker 1: respect to reporters is very well taken.
Speaker 2: I've read so much about this this week.
Speaker 1: I'm flipping through my notes and paint here trying to
Speaker 1: find it. There was some report where they looked at
Speaker 1: exactly the lack of media coverage and it's the same
Speaker 1: damn thing. These reporters, these editors, they weren't gonna touch
Speaker 1: this because of they would be labeled as racist.
Speaker 2: That's crap.
Speaker 1: You know, these media outlets need to investigate this, and
Speaker 1: I know one that has, and that's the Epoch Times.
Speaker 1: I think, based on what I've seen, they're leading a
Speaker 1: pack on this, and it's just a mess. I think
Speaker 1: this time next year, honestly, Fred will still be talking
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: There's a guy up there too. His name is Joe Souchera.
Speaker 7: He runs a car right to call him up there. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he's been following this for years he's been talking about
Speaker 7: this for years. Yep, and you know, so it's it's
Speaker 7: gonna be wild. I hope they and I hope they
Speaker 7: traced a lot of this money down and so the
Speaker 7: taxpayers can get get a break at least. I mean,
Speaker 7: oh my goodness.
Speaker 9: Well yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: One thing they can do.
Speaker 1: One of these dudes that was involved in the UH
Speaker 1: I think it was the autism program goes out and
Speaker 1: buys a semi tractor trailer. Maybe we can get that back,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's just a joke.
Speaker 7: When you said that, I hadn't heard about that. I
Speaker 7: was thinking of what could they possibly use that for?
Speaker 8: Man, It's just you know, well, I take sure it
Speaker 8: wasn't legal.
Speaker 1: I got to take a break for the news, Fred,
Speaker 1: But I do have one, wait, wait, one last question.
Speaker 2: What is the weather today in Saint Petersburg.
Speaker 7: It's beautiful, man, sunshine.
Speaker 8: It's I think it's around sixty somethings. Oh maybe the seventy.
Speaker 8: We're used to it, though, I.
Speaker 1: Don't us brother appreciate it. Thanks, bye, Okay, thanks Fred Man.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I could definitely do with some
Speaker 1: of that weather. Hey, we do have to take a
Speaker 1: break for the news. But when we get back again,
Speaker 1: open lines seven four nine, seven thousand, one, eight hundred.
Speaker 1: The big one are the numbers. Mike Allen Saturday Midday
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW Mike Gallon an hour or two of
Speaker 1: Saturday Midday.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what people.
Speaker 1: Want to talk about this whole situation in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: People are not happy about it at all.
Speaker 1: A lot of questions today and a lot of questions
Speaker 1: from Jump and I'm going to get to the phones
Speaker 1: here in just a second about why people didn't know
Speaker 1: about this and why the media didn't cover it. They're
Speaker 1: covering it now because they have to. But just playing
Speaker 1: around here, a Fox News article talking about a group
Speaker 1: called NewsBusters. They're great, they're a media watch draw group.
Speaker 1: And just to give you an idea, earlier this week,
Speaker 1: Curtis Houk at NewsBusters found ABC and NBC only touched
Speaker 1: on the Minnesota fraud in twenty one percent of their
Speaker 1: Somalia coverage. Now, how can you when it's nicety something
Speaker 1: percent Somalians?
Speaker 2: How do you do that?
Speaker 1: Well, of course, the obvious answer is they're liberals. They're
Speaker 1: going to help their friends in the Democrat Party. But
Speaker 1: it's again, it's just it defies all logic. But you know,
Speaker 1: we that have been following this stuff forever, I think
Speaker 1: pretty much understand. It goes on to say, in just
Speaker 1: a couple more points on this, the vast majority of
Speaker 1: verbiage was negative evaluations of Trump, negative evaluations of Trump.
Speaker 1: The last I checked, he wasn't even president when this
Speaker 1: stuff happened. Then finally they say add in CBS and
Speaker 1: the fraud fraction went up to thirty five percent, in
Speaker 1: part because and I wanted to watch this, but I
Speaker 1: didn't because Face the Nation host Margaret Brennan, a very
Speaker 1: good friend of the Democrat Party, interviewed Minnesota Democrat Representative
Speaker 1: Ilhan Omar about it. Now, I'm going to go back
Speaker 1: and watch it. I understand that the Treasure Secretary, Scott
Speaker 1: Descent was also interviewed about his contention that they're pretty
Speaker 1: sure that some of this money, at least some of
Speaker 1: it is going to some all you terrorist groups, one
Speaker 1: in particular Al Shabab, and she wanted to get into
Speaker 1: him a while. You don't know that, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And it was apparently a pretty good give and take.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go back and watch that. But again,
Speaker 1: you know, you can write the script on this stuff
Speaker 1: if it's at all sensitive in the liberal media's mind
Speaker 1: about oh boy, if we cover this, we might be
Speaker 1: called racist. They just don't cover it, and that is
Speaker 1: a disservice. It's a huge disservice to the taxpayers of
Speaker 1: this country. Black, white, green, brown or yellow, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Anyway. Back to the phones, Let's talk to Eddie up
Speaker 2: in Columbus. Hey, Eddie, how you doing, Mike.
Speaker 3: I'm well, Mike.
Speaker 6: Thanks Mike. The mayor of Columbus and the police chief
Speaker 6: of Columbus PD are on social media now talking about
Speaker 6: their what the city of Columbus is not going to
Speaker 6: do and what they will do as far as the
Speaker 6: ice investigations and assisting the local immigrant population and assuring them,
Speaker 6: assuring the immigrant population how safe they are, and Mike,
Speaker 6: it sounds it goes on. It's much longer than that,
Speaker 6: but it sounds very, very similar to what we heard
Speaker 6: out of Minneapolis. And I just hope that the powers
Speaker 6: that be in Ohio or whoever started it in Minnesota
Speaker 6: are are looking at Ohio very very closely.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would hope so too, because I heard the same
Speaker 1: thing and I saw I don't. It wasn't the Columbus
Speaker 1: police chief. It was the Minnesota police chief saying what
Speaker 1: you were saying too, that hey, we're not going to
Speaker 1: cooperate with them.
Speaker 2: We're going to do this, that, this and that.
Speaker 1: And you know what it boils down to, which is
Speaker 1: an amazing thing that I never thought I never thought
Speaker 1: I would see this is it's in essence cop versus cop. Uh,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, federal cop versus local cops. That's
Speaker 1: not the way it has been or the way it
Speaker 1: should be. Cops protect each other. I don't mean covering
Speaker 1: for them when something's wrong, but they see that as
Speaker 1: their job. And for that to have gone by the wayside,
Speaker 1: and now it's even the dude in Minnesota, I think
Speaker 1: it was said, well, you know what, if if they
Speaker 1: get in some.
Speaker 2: Trouble, we're not going to cover for cover, cover over
Speaker 2: on the run.
Speaker 1: Now that was not the exact words, but that that
Speaker 1: was the import of what I heard. It's just sad.
Speaker 1: I mean, these people ice like them or hate them.
Speaker 1: They're enforcing the law. If you don't like the law,
Speaker 1: lives change it. But it's there and it's enforceable, and
Speaker 1: that's what they're.
Speaker 10: Doing, and it might help me out here real quick.
Speaker 10: In very simple terms, the local government would not be
Speaker 10: interested in investigating fraud if it's if it helps their
Speaker 10: if their voters or who they think are voting for
Speaker 10: them are going to be affected by it, correct, I
Speaker 10: mean we're talking federal money.
Speaker 2: That's very very very true, very true.
Speaker 1: And I heard something this week that you know, I
Speaker 1: think the person said there are only one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: Somali American voters in I guess it's Dearborn County up there,
Speaker 1: and you know what, that's a lot, but when you're
Speaker 1: talking electoral it's not that much. However, they believe the
Speaker 1: elected officials that it's very, very relevant, and I think
Speaker 1: that's probably not. Probably it is one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why they're reluctant to get involved in this stuff. And
Speaker 1: you know, that's an abrogation of their duty as far
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3: I agree, Mike.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you keeping it in the forefront.
Speaker 2: We will thank you. Thanks, Eddie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it is it isn't it just so
Speaker 1: typical of the mainstream media that well, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a chance that somebody Keith Ellison or somebody else il
Speaker 1: han Omar will call us racist if we aggressively investigate this,
Speaker 1: So we're not going to do it. That's not right.
Speaker 1: That's not what the media is supposed to do. That's
Speaker 1: not their job. Their job, as somebody like janishis on
Speaker 1: Epoch Times, their job is to report the facts and
Speaker 1: then will make our own damn decisions about what it means.
Speaker 1: It's But again, none of this is surprising. None of
Speaker 1: it is surprised at all. But like I said, there
Speaker 1: was supposedly a pretty good dust up between Treasury Secretary
Speaker 1: Scott Descent and Margaret Running last Sunday. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: when I get home see if I can find it. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk to Dennis in Annapolis. Dennis wants to talk
Speaker 1: about something a little bit off topic, but that's fine.
Speaker 1: Hey Doca, how you doing?
Speaker 5: Pretty good? Mike, and Marry Christmas and Happy.
Speaker 2: New York to you you too. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I just have a very quick comment on the Somalies.
Speaker 5: So if these alleged fraudster Somalies who contributed to Keith
Speaker 5: Ellison's campaign, if they're convicted, is he going to give
Speaker 5: back whatever they donated?
Speaker 1: You know what they should they should, and I think
Speaker 1: there's precedent for that, Dennis. Some politicians have done that
Speaker 1: and of course think, well, we didn't know that it
Speaker 1: was for a bad purpose, but however we're giving it back.
Speaker 1: I don't see it happening here. There's so freaking arrogant.
Speaker 1: They'll stick their nose in the air and say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know this, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: So I guess the answer the question is it could happen,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Speaker 5: Okay, But what I wanted I wanted to talk about
Speaker 5: was the this uh, this absolutely stupid decision by her
Speaker 5: named Connie Pillock to uh regarding this uh Elwood Jones case.
Speaker 5: She needs this, She needs to get a remedial case
Speaker 5: in logic and uh interpretation of statistics. Because this thing
Speaker 5: about the hepatitis B test, Uh, that is some kind
Speaker 5: of new the modern uh new new. How'd your character
Speaker 5: as it? Uh medical new medical testing or modern medical
Speaker 5: testing excluded him? It does not exclude him.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: He he has a he had a one, you know,
Speaker 5: because the victim had hepatitis be right, The defense is claiming, well,
Speaker 5: and he should have gotten it after allegedly punching her
Speaker 5: in the mouth and getting the wound in his hand. Well,
Speaker 5: he only had he had a one and three chance
Speaker 5: of constracting hepatitis B that way, but he had a
Speaker 5: two and three chance of not getting it. And so
Speaker 5: I think this whole hepatitis B thing is totally irrelevant.
Speaker 5: Well it's completely irrelevant.
Speaker 1: But it's causing a stir in this town. And I'll
Speaker 1: be honest with you, when I was prosecutor, I was
Speaker 1: only peripherally involved in it for some post conviction stuff.
Speaker 1: But I think what people at least some people apparently,
Speaker 1: and I didn't read this, I just heard this. She
Speaker 1: made the comment that she believes he's not that he
Speaker 1: didn't do it, and you know what is prosecutor. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna second guess. Frankly, I think she's done a
Speaker 1: pretty darn good job of prosecutor so far. But I
Speaker 1: was a little surprised at that, and I don't know
Speaker 1: that I would have went that far. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you know, it's her call. And
Speaker 1: the only thing is I mean, you know the taxpayers
Speaker 1: are going to get wrung up on that too, on
Speaker 1: an unlawful imprisonment charge, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, right right, But but that to make a
Speaker 5: big deal out of it, like it's like the whole thing,
Speaker 5: the whole decision was hinging on. That was ridiculous. I mean,
Speaker 5: what if?
Speaker 6: What if?
Speaker 5: What if if Jones had already had already had hepatitis
Speaker 5: B before the crime, and so he suddenly they test him, Uh,
Speaker 5: he's test positive, test positive, and she tests positive? Does
Speaker 5: that mean he automatically did it? I mean you could
Speaker 5: make that case too, you see what I'm saying unless
Speaker 5: he tested yeah, yeah, so that that would Does that
Speaker 5: make that make him guilty because now he had it?
Speaker 6: Well, the whole thing is ridiculous, I.
Speaker 2: Tell you what.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate the call, Doc, I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 1: I haven't followed it that far, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: raising some hackles here. But I appreciate the call. I
Speaker 1: appreciate your medical opinion. I'm gonna be honest, I didn't
Speaker 1: really follow it that far, and I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 1: about it. I think she's done a pretty good job
Speaker 1: as prosecutors so far. I really do. I don't know
Speaker 1: that I would have gone as far as to say
Speaker 1: that I believe that he's innocent. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: maybe an alternate to that was, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: that the case was proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 2: That's not saying you think he's innocent.
Speaker 1: That's just saying that ultimately at the beginning it was
Speaker 1: because there was a conviction.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. It is a big deal.
Speaker 1: It is, But there's a hell of a lot of
Speaker 1: other things too, I think to worry about. Hey, let's
Speaker 1: talk to our friend Bobby. Haven't talked to him for
Speaker 1: a while. Hey, good morning, Bobby.
Speaker 2: How you doing, my friend?
Speaker 9: God bless you and your family and friends. Is holiday season?
Speaker 9: Very happy homiken.
Speaker 2: All of them. Thank you, Bobby, Thank you you too.
Speaker 9: What you got for well, I got I got a
Speaker 9: couple of things. We talk about Minnesota, but people need
Speaker 9: realize that reflect on the past of twenty twenty five
Speaker 9: and every prediction that we made pretty well came true.
Speaker 9: If you look at the smally issue, Columbus is number
Speaker 9: two in the nation. Excuse me, with SMALLI population thirty
Speaker 9: five forty thousand. I guarantee you that job and Family
Speaker 9: Services is going to be well looked over.
Speaker 2: You would hope.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, you know, if there's evidence along those lines,
Speaker 1: and I've had callers over the last couple of weeks
Speaker 1: that are from Columbus and have kind of intimated that
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just seems to me that where
Speaker 1: there's smoke, there's fire, and I don't care.
Speaker 2: Oh that's horrible, Mike, blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't just turn a blind eye to
Speaker 1: this stuff, well like they did Minnesota.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think you've.
Speaker 1: Only heard the beginning of it from Minnesota and probably
Speaker 1: up there too, But because a lot of people are
Speaker 1: talking about it, I guess we'll just have to see.
Speaker 9: Well a lot of times too, when you talk about
Speaker 9: the truth, people don't want to hear it, no, you know,
Speaker 9: they want to go to hidden categorize you as a
Speaker 9: racist and everything else and homophobic. But you know, there's
Speaker 9: a difference between being prejudiced and being a racist. As myself,
Speaker 9: I'm extremely prejudiced against fundamental Islamics. I'm extremely prejudiced against
Speaker 9: these Somali grip heures and people in our country illegally.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, you're right, that's it. I mean, you're
Speaker 2: allowed to be prejudiced.
Speaker 1: You're allowed to at least you used to be allowed
Speaker 1: to be prejudiced against criminals, brown, black, yellow, you know, Jewish, Catholic, Christian, Muslim, whatever.
Speaker 1: But the first chance that you know, the mainstream media
Speaker 1: is somebody else gets to latch onto that they think
Speaker 1: they got a tiger by the tail. Well, you know what,
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen, twenty, thirty, forty years ago they did have
Speaker 1: a tiger by the tail. Not anymore. People can get
Speaker 1: that grifted. It doesn't mean crap anymore. The word racist
Speaker 1: and racism has lost all meaning because they've abused at
Speaker 1: the left is abused it so much.
Speaker 9: I have friends of every color and creed my friend,
Speaker 9: and they are good friends of mine, and I don't
Speaker 9: I'm not that way. I've never been that way. But
Speaker 9: I don't have a use of these people that are
Speaker 9: against you.
Speaker 1: Well, and I hear you and I anything you want,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Bobby, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas to you too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, last time I checked, you were allowed not
Speaker 1: to like lawbreakers. Maybe that's something they want to change.
Speaker 1: How about Ken in Cincinnati?
Speaker 2: Hey? Ken, how you doing?
Speaker 5: Hey Mike?
Speaker 11: First of all, I want to wish merry Christmas to
Speaker 11: everyone out there, to you and your family.
Speaker 2: Thank you, you can thank you.
Speaker 11: And the main reason why I'm calling is that we've
Speaker 11: got got a new brand name for You've got governor
Speaker 11: of Minnesota, and it's right here on the Mike Allen Show.
Speaker 11: We can call him kick Back Kill.
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it.
Speaker 11: I likely that hopefully that'll stick, and we'll refer he's
Speaker 11: got his other moniker as well, hopefully to be able
Speaker 11: to pick up on it and kick Back Tim will
Speaker 11: get his start.
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you somewhere, somehow, sometime they're going
Speaker 1: to shine a bright light on that guy. Bank records,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. And I see no evidence whatsoever yet
Speaker 1: that there's any criminal involvement with either him or I
Speaker 1: think more likely Keith Ellison. But you know you've got
Speaker 1: to send it over or excuse me, the House Oversight
Speaker 1: Committee looking at it, and we'll see where it goes.
Speaker 1: At an absolute minimum, it's negligent, it's gross negligence, but
Speaker 1: we'll see and I like the idea.
Speaker 5: All right, Mike, God bless you.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you you too, you know, and I was
Speaker 1: thinking about that too this morning. No evidence whatsoever that
Speaker 1: I've seen on the Governor's part and also Attorney General
Speaker 1: Ellison's part, they did anything criminal, however, I mean, law enforcement,
Speaker 1: whatever the branch is, would be foolish, foolish not to
Speaker 1: demand bank records and other things. You better damn well
Speaker 1: believe if it were Donald J. Trump or JD Vance
Speaker 1: or some Republican they'd be doing it. It's just again,
Speaker 1: it all boils down to it's unfathomable to think that
Speaker 1: these people didn't know about it, and if they didn't
Speaker 1: do anything about it, they're either negligent or they had
Speaker 1: something to do with it. As far as money in
Speaker 1: the cookie jar. Now, Joe Biden, of course, the Biden
Speaker 1: crime family, they got away with twenty million dollars of it.
Speaker 1: But these guys shouldn't if in fact that's the case.
Speaker 1: And I think with respect to Walls, he's so damn
Speaker 1: dumb that maybe he really didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of hard to believe that would not
Speaker 2: be the case. Hey, listen, we got to take a break.
Speaker 1: But when we get back where there's some things interesting
Speaker 1: things brewing throughout the country politically, we are going to
Speaker 1: talk to our independent political analyst, Kevin Burton about them.
Speaker 1: One being the Texas Senate race. Jasmine Crockett is jumping
Speaker 1: into that. The Ohio governor's race that's heating up, and
Speaker 1: as ironerstand some of the polling, it's tie and not
Speaker 1: too long ago Vi Veik and a hell of a
Speaker 1: lead healthcare vote this week for Republicans switch parties. And
Speaker 1: there was a special election in the Kentucky State Senate
Speaker 1: that I want to ask Kevin.
Speaker 2: About and we'll do that when we get back.
Speaker 1: Mike, You're to talk about talk about it and give
Speaker 1: us an independent perspective, which is always good to have.
Speaker 1: Is our good friend, Kevin Burton. Kevin, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for joining us.
Speaker 2: This morning, Mike, thanks for having me my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, it looks like a barnburner going on down
Speaker 1: there in Texas for the Senate race. None other than
Speaker 1: Jasmine the Mouth Crockett has declared her candidacy and apparently
Speaker 1: she's serious about it.
Speaker 2: You do have one Democrat.
Speaker 1: It looks like a former representative, Colin Aureed. He dropped
Speaker 1: out just hours before Jasmine Crockett filed to run, which
Speaker 1: sounds to me is probably some kind of a deal.
Speaker 1: But she does have she does have opposition in state
Speaker 1: Representative James Tallerico. Your thoughts on that race, Kevin, does
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett she got obviously have a good chance in
Speaker 1: the primary, but does she have any shot at winning
Speaker 1: that Senate seat?
Speaker 12: Well, to me, this is a great micro cosm of
Speaker 12: what democrats. You know, with Crockett you got a bullhorn,
Speaker 12: you do. And with James, you know, he gained notoriety
Speaker 12: of going on the Joe Rogan Show talking about how
Speaker 12: faith shaped him. You know, a very compassionate, kind of
Speaker 12: middle of the road, kind of like an Andy Sheerish type.
Speaker 12: So to me, I'm very fascinated in this race because, well,
Speaker 12: Democrat voters vote for someone who they think could possibly
Speaker 12: pull an upset or someone who's just the loudest in
Speaker 12: the room.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about Jasmine Crockett in doing some research,
Speaker 1: you know, probably a year or so.
Speaker 2: Ago, looking at it, she she's a lawyer.
Speaker 1: Not that that makes her it's smart anybody else, but
Speaker 1: when she wants to be, she can at least appear
Speaker 1: quite reasonable. It looks like she's pulling a Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when she's before a different kind of crowd, she'll
Speaker 1: change her style and along those lines, there is a
Speaker 1: poll that I saw she's got an eighty nine to
Speaker 1: eight percent lead among African Americans. That's obviously very very substantial.
Speaker 1: But I mean, do you see that as well, Kevin,
Speaker 1: that she kind of crashs her message to whoever she's
Speaker 1: talking to, and you know, you're not going to get
Speaker 1: away with that very.
Speaker 12: Long well, and that's one of the problems when you
Speaker 12: are a congress person because usually you are giving red
Speaker 12: meat to your district. Yeah, it doesn't matter if you're
Speaker 12: left or right, because they're also Jerrymander that like, you
Speaker 12: don't really have someone who actually has to run towards
Speaker 12: the middle. And you know, I think one thing, and
Speaker 12: it's Texas, So you know, the Hispanic.
Speaker 13: Vote's gonna be very very important.
Speaker 12: You know, James and I always butcher his last name, Tellerico.
Speaker 12: You know, Obama even called him, you know, one of
Speaker 12: the things one of the Democrats doing something right before
Speaker 12: Jason Crockett entered this race.
Speaker 2: Really, I'm sure you'll hear that again.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and you know, he's very prevalent on TikTok and
Speaker 12: things like that, you know, using state and just trying
Speaker 12: to and I'm really fascinated in this because I think
Speaker 12: it's going to show what the rest of twenty six
Speaker 12: is going to do. Are the Democrats going to try
Speaker 12: to run towards the middle and we've had this conversation
Speaker 12: how many times?
Speaker 13: Or are they gonna run just to be anti Trump
Speaker 13: and not anything else?
Speaker 12: Sure, we've seen this before that, you know, same thing
Speaker 12: with like EMUs Mandani.
Speaker 13: Like people are willing to vote for someone if they
Speaker 13: actually know what they're standing for.
Speaker 12: Just saying Trump sucks, we get it, we get it,
Speaker 12: it's been ten years.
Speaker 13: Give us something else.
Speaker 2: Yep, you're right and looking at it.
Speaker 1: Here in early Texas Southern University poll, I guess it
Speaker 1: was conducted shortly after her announcement, Crockett is leading tall
Speaker 1: Rico fifty forty three percent, So I mean she's got
Speaker 1: that edge going in. I guess we'll just have to see.
Speaker 1: The bigger question obviously, is can she beat John Cornyn
Speaker 1: or Ken Paxton? And I guess there's another one, Wesley Hunt,
Speaker 1: Houston area Congressman.
Speaker 2: Are the people of Texas?
Speaker 1: I guess, is there any way the people of Texas
Speaker 1: would elect this woman as their senator?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 12: And easier to know, the only reason that we're even
Speaker 12: talking about those races because it's just a great microcosm
Speaker 12: of the battle inside the Democratic Party. You know, tall
Speaker 12: Ico actually has a chance to actually flip that seat
Speaker 12: because he's the quintessential kind of Democrat that you would
Speaker 12: want in Texas, and if they could, if he wins that,
Speaker 12: then we're talking about maybe the Senate might be up,
Speaker 12: you know, the control of the Senate might be up.
Speaker 12: But if Crockett wins, which you know, primaries are always
Speaker 12: favor people of the extremes.
Speaker 13: Sure, no, no, there's no path.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you look at it too.
Speaker 1: The primary down in Texas, I guess, is scheduled for
Speaker 1: March the third. And you're right, Kevin, I mean that
Speaker 1: is a good indicator of which way, not so much
Speaker 1: the party leaders, but what party faithful want to do.
Speaker 1: And that one bears watching. Hey, I want another one
Speaker 1: that bears watching Ohio governor's race. Well, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what if I'm not mistaken, Kevin, and you'll correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. I mean, the veak Ramaswami had a huge,
Speaker 1: huge lead going into this thing, or shortly after he announced.
Speaker 1: From what I am seeing, it's it's about even now.
Speaker 1: I guess there's a poll out Ohio Federation the Teachers.
Speaker 2: I certainly take that with a great assault from.
Speaker 1: Where that's Yeah, that shows her slightly up anyway you
Speaker 1: look at it.
Speaker 2: She's closing the gap. I mean, what's your thought on that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So always be wary of internal polls. You can
Speaker 12: sew the numbers because you also want to just skip base.
Speaker 12: But by all the indications, the race has closed.
Speaker 13: You know, we know who it is.
Speaker 12: And I think part of the problem with Vivec is
Speaker 12: Dwain has already said he's not endorsing him yet. Age
Speaker 12: Yo said it was the wrong decision just to appoint him.
Speaker 13: A year before.
Speaker 12: And then you know Dwaine's comment of saying, listen, I
Speaker 12: was the governor during COVID. You know, you can't blame
Speaker 12: Amy for that. The buck stops with me. So that
Speaker 12: kind of hurts their messaging point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and do you see that Kevin is just a
Speaker 1: blatant shot at Trump.
Speaker 12: I mean, I'm kind of in the minority here where
Speaker 12: I don't blame I don't care if your newsme to
Speaker 12: Ron DeSantis. Yeah, there was no playbook for COVID. There
Speaker 12: was no playbook. I'm not gonna Monday Morning quarterback Governor's decisions.
Speaker 12: You know, we all agreed it sucks. Let's not go
Speaker 12: through it again, right, But I'm not gonna criticize that.
Speaker 12: But I think the rising costs in everything, you know,
Speaker 12: it is going to be a blue wave just historically.
Speaker 12: You know, this is the checks and balances of government,
Speaker 12: and the vec's gonna have to It's yeah, his momentum
Speaker 12: has stalled, but once again, we're still ten months out,
Speaker 12: so you know there's a lot of time. You know,
Speaker 12: Trump most likely will be here campaigning for him because
Speaker 12: also there's congressional seats, so you know you're gonna have
Speaker 12: a lot of money poured in. You know, does Amy
Speaker 12: get a benefit that she has shared Brown with her
Speaker 12: running Yes, But if you ask me today, I mean
Speaker 12: the fact I would still if I was.
Speaker 13: A bettingman, I would still put money onto the BacT.
Speaker 1: Do you think Amy Acton is going to be able
Speaker 1: to raise competitive money?
Speaker 2: Now we all know that they can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's obviously gonna have the unions and some of
Speaker 1: the other groups, But do you think she'll be able
Speaker 1: to raise enough dough to make this competitive?
Speaker 13: I think so.
Speaker 12: She ironically hired a lot of Shared Brown's people. You know,
Speaker 12: it's kind of like when a coach leaves, they take
Speaker 12: all the number two's and make them number one. So yeah,
Speaker 12: so I think she'll be able to make it a
Speaker 12: very compelling race. But the truth of the matter is
Speaker 12: most of the money in Ohio is going to come
Speaker 12: in for the Senate race because because that's where people
Speaker 12: care now and historically, you know, Ohio is the inverse
Speaker 12: of Kentucky. You guys have had how many Democratic governors
Speaker 12: in like the last like fifty years, like two or three,
Speaker 12: So it's the inverse of Kentucky. So until proven otherwise,
Speaker 12: I would bet on the back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right about that. It does look
Speaker 1: like it's closing somewhat. And Amy act and I don't
Speaker 1: know much about her, I don't think anybody does. But
Speaker 1: she appears to be a credible candidate. So we'll have
Speaker 1: to see what happens on that. Hey, I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to you too, just I guess it was this
Speaker 1: week or last week, there were four House Republicans, so
Speaker 1: called moderates. They broke the party ranks to join with
Speaker 1: Democrats and signing that discharge position a petition, which of
Speaker 1: course forces a floor vote extending the Affordable Care Act.
Speaker 1: And boy, I'll tell you that that seems like it's
Speaker 1: slapping the face to Speaker Johnson.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that.
Speaker 12: It's a major slap in the face of Speaker Johnson,
Speaker 12: because now every single House person.
Speaker 13: Is going to have a vote. So if you do
Speaker 13: not vote to.
Speaker 12: Extend the Affordable Care Act and the premiums, you're gonna
Speaker 12: that's gonna be the thing, biggest, you know, issue this campaign.
Speaker 12: So there was a gallup pulled on five days ago.
Speaker 12: Forty seven percent of Americans belief healthcare is a major problem.
Speaker 12: Why twenty nine percent does cites it as the most
Speaker 12: important issue. So regardless of the pollar, it's a major, major,
Speaker 12: major issue.
Speaker 13: And honestly, the Democrats got what they wanted. There's going
Speaker 13: to have to be a vote.
Speaker 12: And you know, Republicans now are either going to have
Speaker 12: the vote to keep the premiums, which is a win
Speaker 12: for Democrats, or vote no then be exposed in the
Speaker 12: campaign cycle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Democrats they got that like a dog
Speaker 2: with a bone.
Speaker 1: And you know, of course said they were only supposed
Speaker 1: to be temporary, but you know how it is with
Speaker 1: government when it comes to funding issues, it's never temporary.
Speaker 2: So I guess we have to see how that plays out.
Speaker 1: Last thing, and you told me about this, and this
Speaker 1: is really interesting with respect to Kentucky special I guess
Speaker 1: it was last Tuesday. Democrat Gary Clemens won the race
Speaker 1: for Kentucky Senate District thirty seven. Didn't just win, it
Speaker 1: won it by seventy two point six percent. The Republican
Speaker 1: Calvin Leech, he's like way behind that twenty five percent.
Speaker 1: I think he got What do you read into that?
Speaker 1: And I know you have a lot of knowledge of
Speaker 1: Kentucky politics, Kevin, what's your read on that and what
Speaker 1: we can take away from it?
Speaker 12: Well, first off, it was a Democratic district, so that
Speaker 12: is okay and foremost, but they also ran a labor guy.
Speaker 12: They ran a blue collar I'm sorry, I can't remember
Speaker 12: if he's left steel worker.
Speaker 1: Wendy Higden. There's a she got one hundred twenty one votes,
Speaker 1: so probably not her.
Speaker 12: Yeah, so Gary, he you know, he's a very blue
Speaker 12: collar person. And special elections always favor the party who's upset, right,
Speaker 12: because they're going to rally their base. We saw this
Speaker 12: the last four years with Republicans. We're seeing this now
Speaker 12: with Democrats. The special elections I always take with a
Speaker 12: very just with a grain assault because whoever's energized, they're
Speaker 12: going to put up huge numbers. And you know, Frankly
Speaker 12: and Kentucky, there's six Senate Democrats. So for the Republicans,
Speaker 12: why would you spend a lot of money on that race?
Speaker 2: Right? Right?
Speaker 1: But I mean just the margin of victory here, I
Speaker 1: would think would give Democrats some reason to be happy
Speaker 1: about it. I know you mentioned that it was a
Speaker 1: Democrat district.
Speaker 12: Though, yeah, yeah, So I mean he did overperform, you know,
Speaker 12: by forty two points, which is a lot. But I
Speaker 12: would also caution because you know it is a special election, yep.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 12: So for Democrats, you know, it's a great messaging point
Speaker 12: saying we ever performed by four two points where energized,
Speaker 12: give us money. Because Kentucky House up until twenty sixteen
Speaker 12: was actually still controlled by Democrats. Now it's all the
Speaker 12: way down to twenty only members. So I think this
Speaker 12: is going to fund a lot of these house races
Speaker 12: in the Commonwealth. But also once again I wanted to
Speaker 12: take caution, people take this with a grain of salt.
Speaker 12: It is a special election two weeks before Christmas.
Speaker 2: I gotcha.
Speaker 1: Hey, Unfortunately we're out of time, but I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: with you Wednesday morning. I believe I'm in for Sloani
Speaker 1: and we'll have plenty to talk about. But appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming on today.
Speaker 12: But thank you as always, and Merry Christmas to all
Speaker 12: your listeners.
Speaker 2: You too, Thank you. Kevin nig you bye bye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, interesting stuff, And man, I love getting
Speaker 1: a scoop from him because you get it straight down
Speaker 1: the line. Hey, we got to take a break for
Speaker 1: the news, but when we get back, we're going to
Speaker 1: be talking to Jameis Heisel. The Epoch time she is filed.
Speaker 1: I believe five separate stories this week. I'm gonna ask.
Speaker 1: I think she's probably on the ground out there in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: But boy, i'll tell you what, probably more than any
Speaker 1: other national reporter, she's on this thing like White on Rice,
Speaker 1: and I got a lot of questions for we'll do
Speaker 1: that when we get back. Mike Allen Saturday Midday there's
Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen with the third and
Speaker 1: final hour of Saturday Midday. Well, you know what, I
Speaker 1: guess you could call this the gift that keeps on given.
Speaker 1: I'm talking, of course, about the Minnesota fraud cases. Janie Heisel,
Speaker 1: senior reporter for the Epoch Times, is on this like
Speaker 1: White on Rice, and she filed no fewer than, I believe,
Speaker 1: five separate stories, all great stories with a lot of
Speaker 1: information on what's going on. There a thanks for joining us,
Speaker 1: and are you there or are you reporting from here?
Speaker 3: I have made it safely home in time for Christmas,
Speaker 3: and I'm really glad for that. But I got to
Speaker 3: tell you you're exactly right when you say that there's
Speaker 3: just so much going on with this. I were literally
Speaker 3: working pretty much around the clock just but although not
Speaker 3: to the computers say that's what they're doing, but they
Speaker 3: they literally are are shreading water. They can't keep up
Speaker 3: with all of this, and there's you know, one of
Speaker 3: the analogies I heard was, it's kind of like you're
Speaker 3: drowning and somebody won't turn off the hose to the
Speaker 3: swimming bowl that keeps pulling it up.
Speaker 2: That's a good analogy.
Speaker 3: So that's what that's where prosecutors are, and frankly I
Speaker 3: feel a little bit that way too. The work I
Speaker 3: do is far less.
Speaker 14: Significant, but Manna, I think it's it.
Speaker 3: Is important to inform people, especially because one of the
Speaker 3: stories I'm currently working on does talk about you're putting
Speaker 3: this minisoda fraud into context. I mean, there are fraud
Speaker 3: problems across the government with these you know, basically government
Speaker 3: handout programs. But the interesting things that I'd like to
Speaker 3: emphasize that I feel most people may not realize is
Speaker 3: that I've run across reports who absolutely which absolutely document this.
Speaker 3: Those the prodsters are not the people who are beneficiaries, right,
Speaker 3: And they're not the people that are going. If they do,
Speaker 3: they're not very big amounts. And the system is easily
Speaker 3: set up to catch those people.
Speaker 14: Who are getting you know, who are getting a lot
Speaker 14: of the benefits.
Speaker 3: The people who are really raking in the big dough
Speaker 3: by millions of dollars are providers of services raising from
Speaker 3: stuff like ambulance, uh, you know, transportation or you know
Speaker 3: taking a bus of a van to a medical appointment
Speaker 3: or you know, they claim they picked up missus Jones
Speaker 3: when and can people when they never did it, and
Speaker 3: just billing for all this and providing meals to children
Speaker 3: who didn't exist, and just literally making up records and
Speaker 3: smitting those and never being chucked until somebody looks and goes,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, you paid five thousand kids in one
Speaker 3: day and you have the staff of three. That is
Speaker 3: the big point that I would like people to recognize that, yes,
Speaker 3: there are people who gain the system welfare seets, you know,
Speaker 3: and people really resent that. But the big, big dollars
Speaker 3: do seem to be going to these individual providers, companies
Speaker 3: and people who provide services or are supposed to people.
Speaker 10: Who do need it.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, and that's one of the things
Speaker 1: that almost brings tears to your eyes. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you talk about children with autism, children who are hungry
Speaker 1: and need to eat. It's just, you know, there ought
Speaker 1: to be and maybe there is in the Federal Code
Speaker 1: specification that jumps it up a couple of years or more.
Speaker 7: Just for that.
Speaker 1: It just makes you sick. You know your stories. You
Speaker 1: did one on Thursday. I'll just read the headline here
Speaker 1: taxpayers money. This is astounding taxpayers money still flowing to
Speaker 1: indicted fraud suspect. So the dudes indicted, but according to
Speaker 1: your story, he's still getting taxpayer money.
Speaker 2: How can that happen?
Speaker 14: Well, that is.
Speaker 3: Exactly the question raised by the head of there's a
Speaker 3: flub committee that was formed in the legislature that has
Speaker 3: continued to meet even while the legislature has been out
Speaker 3: of session because they believe it's so important to continue
Speaker 3: this work. The lady who is heading that is actually
Speaker 3: running against Governor Wall. Her name is a representative a
Speaker 3: lot of Robbins, and you know, I trying to get
Speaker 3: too deep into the political back and forth between her
Speaker 3: and him, and this is this sort of thing. But
Speaker 3: she raises a lot of very concerning situations. I highlighted
Speaker 3: this one because I too was going it was a
Speaker 3: jaw dropping moment. I mean, as a reporter, I wasn't
Speaker 3: there at the time. I was listening to this on
Speaker 3: a live stream via internet, and you know, sometimes you
Speaker 3: just sit there, you're looking at your computer screen it's
Speaker 3: throning on and on. But no, this meeting wasn't this way.
Speaker 3: There were many things that were being raised that my
Speaker 3: jaw just kept dropping open and I went, what what?
Speaker 3: And now?
Speaker 14: In you know, to be fair, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Did try to contact and get response from the guy
Speaker 3: who is the inspector general for the welfare department there.
Speaker 3: He did respond to.
Speaker 14: Me the next day.
Speaker 3: I later added his comments into my story. He is
Speaker 3: asserting that his department has cross checked the names of
Speaker 3: the indicted people against people or receiving money.
Speaker 14: But again that conflicts with but when were those checks done?
Speaker 3: Just recently? You know, because this information this this lady
Speaker 3: provided seem to be very backed up by research. Uh
Speaker 3: and they even pertinence a chart. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you had a chance to see that, but it literally
Speaker 3: is a web, a web of like you have this
Speaker 3: one defendant, and this person is tied to this company,
Speaker 3: and then the wife runs that company, and then you know,
Speaker 3: there are four other properties that they own, and a
Speaker 3: realtor is the one who is hooking them up with
Speaker 3: all these and then that realtor is connected to other
Speaker 3: people who are accused, and on and on. And this
Speaker 3: little flow chart about what that shows? The interconnected web
Speaker 3: of suspicious actors or even you know, indicted in some
Speaker 3: cases fraudulent actors is really it makes your eyes just
Speaker 3: pop out when you look at this chart and you
Speaker 3: think about the fact that this is one person and
Speaker 3: there are one tie three for prizes on the probably
Speaker 3: two dozen bubbles of interconnected dots and lines showing businesses, entities,
Speaker 3: people and scandals.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. I've got it right in front of me.
Speaker 1: I read it yesterday, and I mean, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: You got realtor one, realtor two. What's the P stand for?
Speaker 2: Janis? There're p P two, P three and four.
Speaker 15: I think, Okay, okay, it's just yeah, it's again. I
Speaker 15: always default to this, but I can't help. But how
Speaker 15: in the hell could this be going on?
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think I've answered the question in
Speaker 1: my own mind as to why it's going on and
Speaker 1: why they got away with it. I think allegations of
Speaker 1: racism probably a big part of it. But how is
Speaker 1: it that no one independent caught this thing? Because it
Speaker 1: is it's beyond huge. It's almost like people are saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I dare you, you know, come and try
Speaker 1: to catch me.
Speaker 2: It just I don't know. I can't wrap my mind
Speaker 2: around this. I really don't know.
Speaker 3: There are many many unanswered questions about all of this,
Speaker 3: especially the magnitude of this and now just on Thursday,
Speaker 3: at his press conference, the US Attorney first Assistant, a
Speaker 3: guy who's been at this for several years and as
Speaker 3: a Native Minnesotan.
Speaker 14: His name is Joe Thompson.
Speaker 3: He talks about how there are fourteen medicaid programs that
Speaker 3: have been put on hold because of risk for fraud.
Speaker 3: The payments are being held back until the audits can
Speaker 3: go okay, this is okay, we release this money. And
Speaker 3: those payments from dating back to twenty eighteen for just
Speaker 3: those fourteen programs total eighteen billions. Based on what he
Speaker 3: has seen, half of that or more, he can quote
Speaker 3: half or more of that eighteen billion could have been
Speaker 3: fraudulent billing based on everything that he has seen.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And that's the headline for your story six News.
Speaker 3: Wait to hear that. It gets worse as it makes it.
Speaker 3: These are fourteen programs one adventure. A guest, how many
Speaker 3: medicaid programs Minnesota has total?
Speaker 2: How many?
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it's eighty.
Speaker 2: Seven eighty seven?
Speaker 3: Boy, the eighty seven eighty.
Speaker 2: Seven different ways to scam the taxpayers.
Speaker 3: And and see, this is one of the things that
Speaker 3: is kind of particular to Minnesota, and that is there
Speaker 3: is an attitude there and.
Speaker 14: It's been for a long time.
Speaker 3: It's just part of the Minnesota culture, is what I mean.
Speaker 3: Told that that people there want to help people there's
Speaker 3: this there's this friendliness but yet simultaneously not too warm
Speaker 3: kind of reception. There's a joke that goes around that
Speaker 3: says something like, a Minnesotan will give you directions to
Speaker 3: anywhere except his own front door.
Speaker 14: They want to help you, but only so far.
Speaker 3: And so the idea is that you know, they they
Speaker 3: try to ask, they try to help people, but they
Speaker 3: don't want to know why do you want to know this?
Speaker 3: They don't ask too many questions, nor do they volunteer
Speaker 3: much information.
Speaker 14: And so that is kind of a.
Speaker 3: Cultural Minnesota particular attitude, and I felt it when I
Speaker 3: was there as an Ohioan. I did notice there's a difference,
Speaker 3: and I've seen many I thought, am I imagining this?
Speaker 3: When I looked up columns written by people who are
Speaker 3: transplants there. I've talked to people who are transplants from
Speaker 3: other states there and they confirm, yes, Actually, it's kind
Speaker 3: of cool. It's called there's a term for it.
Speaker 14: They call it Minnesota nice.
Speaker 2: Minnesota nice.
Speaker 14: I'll help you, I want to help you.
Speaker 3: I welcome you, but then again, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: go too far with it. I'm not going to ask
Speaker 3: you too many questions. Or volunteery, much about myself, have
Speaker 3: a good day.
Speaker 2: Wow, Well you mentioned a new term.
Speaker 1: Here's another new term that I learned from reading your story,
Speaker 1: that specific story we're talking about, and that is so
Speaker 1: called fraud tourism. You right that it's a new phenomenon
Speaker 1: among the Minnesota fraud cases, although prosecutors have heard it,
Speaker 1: heard of it occurring elsewhere.
Speaker 2: Fraud tourism. Can you tell my listeners what that is?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there were at least two defendants coming from
Speaker 3: a distant state, in this case Pennsylvania. They would repeatedly
Speaker 3: fly from Philadelphia to Minnesota. They set up LLCs there
Speaker 3: and they had zero connections to anybody there. They didn't
Speaker 3: come for the other things draw a lot of people
Speaker 3: for tourism reasons, like the scenery. Minnesota is called the
Speaker 3: Land of ten Thousand Lakes, and a lot of people
Speaker 3: love the scenery there. And I can tell you there
Speaker 3: are parts of it that I think are quite beautiful.
Speaker 3: Uh and uh, So they don't come to that. They
Speaker 3: come literally because they heard it with easy pickens in Minnesota,
Speaker 3: you can get rich quick with these government programs, and.
Speaker 1: Boy they sure have. Again reading your stories and other stories,
Speaker 1: you know one of them. I think this was one
Speaker 1: of your stories that one of the guys they alleged fraudsters.
Speaker 1: I think it was in the in the the autism
Speaker 1: program went out with the proceeds and bought a Mac truck,
Speaker 1: which I'm assuming is a semi Is that accurate?
Speaker 2: Am I remembering that right?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I think it was a streight Liner to
Speaker 3: be specific. But that's my recollection. I didn't personally write
Speaker 3: that one, but yeah, actually one. That's another one of
Speaker 3: the many follow ups I'm working on I have. It
Speaker 3: took me a little bit of digging to prolose some
Speaker 3: court exhibits that show some of the vehicles, properties checks
Speaker 3: that are involved with how these people involved with these podcases?
Speaker 3: Where did the money go? And do the taxpayers have
Speaker 3: any prayer of getting it back? And if they do,
Speaker 3: it's probably is going to be years because you know
Speaker 3: how this Mike as a prosecutor, that forfeiture process isn't
Speaker 3: a flick the switch and.
Speaker 14: Get it done.
Speaker 1: No, it's you're right, and hell, there's got to be
Speaker 1: money there to get too, and it sure seems like
Speaker 1: they're bleeding it till dry.
Speaker 2: I mean, let me ask you this question, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, well, there's nothing to be there's
Speaker 3: no money left if you're going out and using it
Speaker 3: to fly for international travel and fancy meals.
Speaker 14: And other things like that.
Speaker 2: Homes in the Maldives.
Speaker 14: I guess, right, well, you might be able to get
Speaker 14: a hold of some of that, but it once't.
Speaker 3: Again, it further complicated when we are foreign properties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just there's so many I guess, so many
Speaker 2: circles on this thing.
Speaker 1: But I know you don't do politics, and I don't
Speaker 1: want you to, but I guess I've read this thing,
Speaker 1: and I see Tim Waltz, and I think, how in
Speaker 1: God's name did that guy not know about it? I'm
Speaker 1: just assuming that he did. I'm ninety five percent certain.
Speaker 1: And number two, why in the heck didn't he do
Speaker 1: something about it? And I think I know that one too.
Speaker 1: He was worried about the big R word. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you think this guy's going to survive? He's up
Speaker 1: for apparently they're not term limits for governor in that state,
Speaker 1: but he's up for up for election. You know, is
Speaker 1: are you hearing anything that he might say that I'm
Speaker 1: not going to run because that woman that you mentioned
Speaker 1: who put together that chart, she's running against him, ezactly.
Speaker 2: She's a Republican state bread. Yeah, I guess the question is,
Speaker 2: is this dude good?
Speaker 3: There's a number of challengers.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So here is what I will say, based on what
Speaker 3: I've read people have talked to, I hear that the
Speaker 3: tide does seem to be kind of starting to turn
Speaker 3: against him, but he still has some very staunch supporters
Speaker 3: and I have seen some pulling that however, talks about
Speaker 3: like something like fifty seven percent of the people disapprove
Speaker 3: of his handling of fraud. There are a number of
Speaker 3: people I've talked to who thought that number was really
Speaker 3: low considering the level of outrage that they're detecting there.
Speaker 3: And the questions that you raise are the very same
Speaker 3: questions that a lot of people are raising, including the
Speaker 3: House Oversight Committee, right, And that's James Cummer's committee, And
Speaker 3: he had given until like the seventeenth CYS now passed
Speaker 3: for Governor Walt and for the age Attorney General of Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Keith listened to provide a bunch of documents to to
Speaker 3: to show whether whistleblowers allegations that they turned a blind
Speaker 3: eye to it after the whistleblowers tried to raise it.
Speaker 3: I've really been trying hard to find any whistleblowers who
Speaker 3: will talk to me. But I have spoken to legislators
Speaker 3: who speak to these people, and they're telling me that
Speaker 3: these people have represented that they were actually disciplined.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 14: They some of them claimed they were surveiled after.
Speaker 3: They tried to raise the issues of fraud and and
Speaker 3: there were and then there were less coercive ways allegedly
Speaker 3: used to silence them, including just saying, oh, we don't
Speaker 3: want to be you know, viewed as racist or home
Speaker 3: uh or islama folbic right, and so probably when it
Speaker 3: raised us about the Somalis. Now an interesting I just
Speaker 3: turned in a very long free coal story.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, just interrupt you for a minute. Can you
Speaker 2: hold over.
Speaker 1: We're bumping up against the news just for about half
Speaker 1: a segment, and I want to talk to you about.
Speaker 2: What you were just talking about. I really appreciate it. Okay,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, we got to take a break for
Speaker 1: the news, but when we get back, we're going to
Speaker 1: continue our talk with Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times.
Speaker 2: Mike Allen Saturday midday.
Speaker 1: Eleven thirty nine, News Radio seven hundred WW Mike Allen,
Speaker 1: Saturday Midday. Hey, we were talking and we are going
Speaker 1: to talk again to Janis, Heisel's senior reporter for the
Speaker 1: Epoch Times. On this Minnesota deal. It's just got so
Speaker 1: many tentacles. There's no way you're going to cover any
Speaker 1: of it in twenty minutes, much less forty. But Janis
Speaker 1: has given us as much as we can get. Janis,
Speaker 1: thanks for hanging in there for us. I cut you
Speaker 1: off pretty much mid sentence last time. If you wanted
Speaker 1: to continue, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Would just explaining that I have really been trying to
Speaker 3: delve into the kind of culture like why Minnesota.
Speaker 14: You know, that was a big question I've had from
Speaker 14: the beginning. You know, yes, it is happening other places,
Speaker 14: but this.
Speaker 16: Prosecutor says, and it does seem to be supported that
Speaker 16: the scale of it is unusual.
Speaker 3: I do think there are some states where it may
Speaker 3: even be larger, and I'm still looking into some of
Speaker 3: that and planning a story about that. I think one
Speaker 3: of them is actually California, the other maybe New York.
Speaker 14: So that's something else I'm looking into.
Speaker 3: Really, So something else I wanted to point out along
Speaker 3: with the quote unquote Minnesota knife, what goes along with
Speaker 3: that is Minnesota progressivism.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: And I talked to people who did not want I tried,
Speaker 3: people insisted on mostly speaking to me, Hey, I'm going
Speaker 3: to go by my first name only. And for example,
Speaker 3: and told me that he has lived in Minnesota for
Speaker 3: decades and he has seen where that attitude of Minnesota
Speaker 3: and ice we help people, but we don't ask so
Speaker 3: many questions. But along with that there is the progressive
Speaker 3: attitude of let's add more program and spend more money.
Speaker 3: And by the way, if you're taxed as a result,
Speaker 3: too bad, because you're helping these people who need it.
Speaker 3: An interesting example I observed while I live in Minnesota,
Speaker 3: the Minneapolis Council approved a measure that would have required
Speaker 3: them to the city to install Portajohn's sanitation stations provide
Speaker 3: medical care for any homeless encampment has more than twenty people.
Speaker 3: And I didn't dig into that one deeply that I
Speaker 3: kept going, well, where's the money.
Speaker 2: Coming from for this?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 14: And so the mayor, interestingly, though he's.
Speaker 3: Also a Democrat, there's a lot of people in control
Speaker 3: with the Democrat party. There the mayor of Minneapolis actually
Speaker 3: vetoed that, so we'll see if it if he's able
Speaker 3: to secure a veto proof.
Speaker 14: Majority on that.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have it on the council, but he was
Speaker 3: able to. They're able to override in the veto or not,
Speaker 3: so we'll see what happened.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I get being progressive, I get
Speaker 1: being wanting to help people, but my goodness, I mean,
Speaker 1: I would assume that these aren't stupid people, and if
Speaker 1: the money that they want to use for good causes
Speaker 1: is being frankly stolen, you think that would get their attention,
Speaker 1: but apparently not.
Speaker 2: Hey, I wanted to ask you. I'm sorry, go ahead you.
Speaker 3: I interviewed a man who told me about some of them.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to drill down as much as I can
Speaker 3: without making it tedious the cost to real people. And
Speaker 3: one man told me, for example, that he's a father
Speaker 3: of three and his property packs went up in one
Speaker 3: year thirteen percent as a result, he percent in one year.
Speaker 3: How would we feel here in Ohio.
Speaker 2: We had that going on, you'd have a riot, is
Speaker 2: what you'd have, you know.
Speaker 3: And he's not able to buy as many gifts for
Speaker 3: his children for Christmas. Now, is he is the family
Speaker 3: starving though it doesn't sound.
Speaker 14: Like it, And is that a big deal, you know,
Speaker 14: in the grand sum of things.
Speaker 3: Maybe not. However, if you look at the fact that
Speaker 3: this is a hard working person who wants to buy
Speaker 3: stuff for his kids, and now because he has being
Speaker 3: forced to pay for what has now been identified as
Speaker 3: a very large raft of fraudulent a program that's just
Speaker 3: soaked in fraud, and because of that, that's the reason
Speaker 3: he can't buy more stuff for his kids.
Speaker 1: You know what, that's the bottom line. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: how it's got to hit people in that state. And
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care how liberal you are. At
Speaker 1: some point it's like, come on, you know, I have
Speaker 1: these these very well intentioned wishes, but it's not happening
Speaker 1: because people are buying you know, islands in the Maldives
Speaker 1: and semi tractor trailers, jewelry vacations.
Speaker 2: It's just it.
Speaker 1: You know what. You can be progressive, you can be
Speaker 1: a liberal, you can be somebody that wants to help somebody,
Speaker 1: but you also have to be a person with some
Speaker 1: common sense, you would think. But I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you again. We talked a little bit about this person
Speaker 1: number one. If you look at this thing here, it
Speaker 1: just it amazes me from your story of I think
Speaker 1: this one was the yeah, the eighteenth Thursday, okay, talking
Speaker 1: about the assisted living facilities, one of the assisted living
Speaker 1: facilities that Person one administers has four bets.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Despite this limited capacity, the facility was paid eight hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty six thousand dollars in twenty twenty four and
Speaker 1: was on pace to double that. That comes from that
Speaker 1: young woman you're saying, who's going to run again Walls.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just astounding how that would not raise
Speaker 1: any suspicion, which would have had to, but just no
Speaker 1: follow up.
Speaker 2: It's just so hard to believe. Janis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got to tell you, some of these numbers
Speaker 3: just make my eyes pop out of my head just
Speaker 3: thinking about, Hey, what would I do with eight hund
Speaker 3: grant right.
Speaker 2: By?
Speaker 3: That might be nice Mary Christmas, but you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's a different mindset. And that's another factor here is
Speaker 3: that I did reach a prosecutor, former prosecutor who worked
Speaker 3: on some of these some early front cases, and he
Speaker 3: I asked him, why is it that there we've kind
Speaker 3: of touched on this before Mike. But this kind of
Speaker 3: more confirms, it can give a little more meat to
Speaker 3: the belief that when people.
Speaker 14: Come from a culture that does kind of have a lot.
Speaker 3: Of corruption in it, Yeah, that's going to affect how
Speaker 3: you behave.
Speaker 14: If you come to a different country.
Speaker 3: And he told me that he does believe that that
Speaker 3: that that there is a prevailing attitude among Somali's that
Speaker 3: if you are not if there's if the government is
Speaker 3: offering easy money, you are dumb if you don't go
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, it's got to be something like that,
Speaker 1: because well, I think you correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I think it was your reporting ninety two percent or
Speaker 1: something like that of the defendants criminal defendants are Somali?
Speaker 2: Was that your reporting? And if it is, is it?
Speaker 1: I did not.
Speaker 3: Report that specistically, but he that prosecutors has shared with
Speaker 3: me numbers along those lines. I didn't go through and
Speaker 3: count because there's just so many. And this is the
Speaker 3: other thing to keep in mind. So again, what is
Speaker 3: unique about Minnesota.
Speaker 14: You know, I'm trying to drill out of that.
Speaker 3: And not only does that this large population where you've
Speaker 3: got this attitude, but you also have allegedly but you
Speaker 3: also have a sort of like the lack of questioning,
Speaker 3: so you have lax requirements for the programs, not much
Speaker 3: follow up, and then the fear of the Islamophobia. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of that going on here. There's many manufactors
Speaker 3: that are kind of Minnesota specific and as a result,
Speaker 3: there's also a unique feature, according to the prosecutor Joe
Speaker 3: Thompson about the Minnesota flog cases that I'd like to emphasize,
Speaker 3: and that is, while the typical medicaid fraudster company over bills,
Speaker 3: like they'll take somebody on a ride, for example, and
Speaker 3: they say that they've taken them pretend rides, so they're
Speaker 3: just over billing. Or maybe they changed the code from
Speaker 3: some service to something more expensive, like they didn't really
Speaker 3: provide service X they but they service X is more expensive.
Speaker 3: There's service lives, so they got more money fraudulently. So
Speaker 3: that's usually what the fraud looks like. But in this case,
Speaker 3: there are companies that provide zero services, shell companies for
Speaker 3: pure for the purpose of just frauding the government, according
Speaker 3: to the prosecutor, and that he says he.
Speaker 14: Believed is unique to Minnesota.
Speaker 1: It's just it's unbelievable I don't know how many times
Speaker 1: I've said that. I probably ought to find another word,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to ask you too, great story, I believe,
Speaker 1: I believe this one was maybe Wednesday about the overturned
Speaker 1: fraud verdict, the jury verdict, criminal case, jury verdict on
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. And you and I both know
Speaker 1: you've covered the courts. I was a prosecutor. That a
Speaker 1: judge overturning a jury verdict is extremely rare. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I've only even heard of it in Hamill
Speaker 1: County two or three times. What is the deal with
Speaker 1: that with Judge Sarah West? And do you know what
Speaker 1: her politics are or have any reason to believe that
Speaker 1: her overturning of what twelve people decided is politically motivated?
Speaker 3: Well, Mike, just like here in Ohio, where judge ships
Speaker 3: are theoretically not political, we all know that's pretty much
Speaker 3: all of these people in office, even if they're a
Speaker 3: quote unquote non part of the position, do have these
Speaker 3: political connections. So with that said, it's my understanding that
Speaker 3: she is Democrat aligned. However, it's interesting because the Republican
Speaker 3: lawmaker whose efforts I featured, he wants to really dig
Speaker 3: into that particular case to try to get what he
Speaker 3: calls a roadmap to fraud, Like, what are how do
Speaker 3: you go from zero dollars of fraud all the way
Speaker 3: up to seven point two million, which is what this
Speaker 3: guy allegedly did.
Speaker 14: They called it the seven point.
Speaker 3: Two million dollar mailbox because he didn't even have an
Speaker 3: office space.
Speaker 14: He was running a quote healthcare agency.
Speaker 13: From a mailbox.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: And now I did not read the trial's transcredo. You know,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even venture to say anything about the actual evidence. However,
Speaker 3: the lawmaker I interviewed said, at first he thought maybe
Speaker 3: that the judges politics had something to do with the
Speaker 3: decisions she made here that was very recontroversial because it
Speaker 3: broke around the same time all the attention starts exploding
Speaker 3: over this in Minnesota because of the emerging scandals and
Speaker 3: because of new allegations about the terrorism funding. All of
Speaker 3: that was breaking at the same time. And then, oh,
Speaker 3: by the way, this judge makes this decision, well, he
Speaker 3: now says, it actually raises a lot of questions about
Speaker 3: the how solid was the prosecutor's case. Because the biggest
Speaker 3: concern that the judge raised in her fifty five page decision,
Speaker 3: which I did read. She says, the prosecutors never made
Speaker 3: the link between Okay, this man owns the company.
Speaker 14: And here were there's evidence that he got all this money,
Speaker 14: but did.
Speaker 3: He cause the fraudulent billing?
Speaker 14: His brother was actually running the company?
Speaker 3: Gotcha, and the brother, to my knowledge, has never been charged.
Speaker 14: I've been trying to do some smith being around.
Speaker 9: On why not.
Speaker 3: I have heard, you know, somebody appined to me that
Speaker 3: they just couldn't find him.
Speaker 14: May have left the country, he knows.
Speaker 3: But that is so Again this lawmaker is saying, well,
Speaker 3: you know, he's looking at all the transactions and trying.
Speaker 3: There's forty four thousand transactions in this case. Think about that. Wow,
Speaker 3: the volume of documents that these prosecutors Haley and I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 14: He didn't say how many prosecutors you have, But Joe Thompson,
Speaker 14: the prosecutor there in Minnesota, says he has a small staff.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's small means.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't need like it looks like a prosecutorial army. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it would soon if that's like one case. Now that
Speaker 3: was actually a state case, it wasn't the federal case.
Speaker 3: So you got to remember that this federal is a
Speaker 3: whole different ball of wax than this state case is overturned.
Speaker 3: So it's raising questions that about the state Attorney General's
Speaker 3: office handling of and preparation.
Speaker 2: Of the evidence in that case.
Speaker 1: Well, Janis, you know obviously didn't read the opinion from
Speaker 1: the judge like you did, but you know she's quoted
Speaker 1: as saying in your story. Similarly, the judge stated that
Speaker 1: it was quote offensive and of great concern close quote
Speaker 1: how much Medicaid money flowed through Usef's company, with more
Speaker 1: than a million bucks transferred from the business account to
Speaker 1: Usef's personal accounts.
Speaker 2: Well, you know to me, and again I didn't read it.
Speaker 1: What is offensive and of great concern is why she
Speaker 1: would overturn a verdict of twelve jurors supposedly, who are
Speaker 1: these this guy's peers? Again, I don't know it. And
Speaker 1: my thing I guess I'm coming back on it is
Speaker 1: so rare that a judge would substitute her opinion for
Speaker 1: that of a lawfully constituted jury.
Speaker 2: You know, I think I might just drill down on
Speaker 2: that a little bit, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess as a former prosecutor, that strikes me as
Speaker 1: a little bit strange and probably I shouldn't say probably,
Speaker 1: maybe something.
Speaker 2: Else behind it. And you have all of it, you
Speaker 2: have all of a minute to respond. Sorry.
Speaker 3: I didn't delve into this aspect for my story, but
Speaker 3: my understanding that there may be a unique standard of
Speaker 3: review that she used that's unique to Minnesota could again,
Speaker 3: I don't know the ins and outs of that. You
Speaker 3: would know better than I have a lawyer, Mike.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm gonna check it out. Janis. I really
Speaker 2: appreciate this, appreciate it a lot.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Sure, thank you very much. I hope I've
Speaker 3: enlightened some people and you know, give us some information,
Speaker 3: things to think about and maybe even things to look
Speaker 3: for in our own backyards.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure that you have, because I got to
Speaker 1: tell you, hardly a day goes by that somebody doesn't
Speaker 1: mention something to me about how they are enjoying your
Speaker 1: reporting on this.
Speaker 2: It's a big deal and it is very much appreciated.
Speaker 3: Well, before I get off here, I do want to
Speaker 3: encourage anybody to contact me, especially if they know anything
Speaker 3: about what's going on up in Columbus, because I've been
Speaker 3: hearing some things about that with the Columbus Somali community.
Speaker 3: I'm on Twitter at Janis High School, hisl E and
Speaker 3: it has my email on there as well.
Speaker 2: All right, Jas, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Janis Heisel of the Epoch time she
Speaker 1: mentioned the Columbus situation. If you've been listening for the
Speaker 1: whole show, you know that we've had a couple of
Speaker 1: callers and we had some last week too talking about it.
Speaker 2: So get ready for that, hey, listen. I am out
Speaker 2: of here.
Speaker 1: I'm in for Sloaney Wednesday morning from nine to noon,
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