WEBVTT - Mike Allen Saturday Mid-Day -- 12/20/25

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Alan, and Saturday midday on another cold Saturday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what this was one of those weeks

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like, Wow, what do I talk about?

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<v Speaker 2>Where do I begin? So much going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you a lot of stories, but the one

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<v Speaker 1>that I want to follow and keep following closely is

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<v Speaker 1>the unfolding fraud in the state of Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger by

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<v Speaker 2>the day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just amazing to me how this could go on

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody. You'd want to say nobody knows about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but they do, but nobody does anything about it. Along

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<v Speaker 1>those lines, eleven o'clock, we're going to be talking to

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<v Speaker 1>our friend Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times. Janis is

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground there. She filed no less than I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it's five separate stories this week about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>we will be talking to Janis at eleven o'clock about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's really unbelievable. It grows by the day.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said, it's now up to as I understand it,

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<v Speaker 1>eight about eight billion dollars. And this is not just

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<v Speaker 1>from one or two programs, but numerous benefit programs, which

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<v Speaker 1>of course you know where the dough comes from. That

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't grow on trees. It comes out of your and

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<v Speaker 1>my pocket. The Department of Labor is involved now. They're

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<v Speaker 1>sending investigators out. They call them strike teams, and I

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<v Speaker 1>guess there's a suspicion that there's some hanky panky and

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<v Speaker 1>monkey business going on with unemployment funds.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're on the ground out there.

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<v Speaker 1>The Department of Education, Lenna McMahon is on top of

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<v Speaker 1>it as well as all federal agencies are because this

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<v Speaker 1>thing is just unprecedented.

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<v Speaker 2>But never fear though.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's all just a big reaction because this

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<v Speaker 1>week Governor Tampon Tim Waugh has named a new.

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<v Speaker 2>Anti fraud czar.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're just a little bit late on the

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<v Speaker 1>draw there, Governor. This person is now the new quote

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<v Speaker 1>Director of Program Integrity close quote Again, probably could have

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<v Speaker 1>used him about ten years ago. The IRS is not

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<v Speaker 1>now involved as well. They're looking into the money that

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<v Speaker 1>is going to al Shabab, which of course is a

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist group. Boy, when the IRS gets their hooks into you,

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<v Speaker 1>look out. Small Business Administration involved as well. They're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at who got small business loans and why. The House

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<v Speaker 1>Oversight Committee, thank goodness. They are now involved as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of specific at this point. They're looking

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<v Speaker 1>into whether Governor Waltz and Attorney General Keith Ellison, and

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<v Speaker 1>you may recall I will remind you every time I

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<v Speaker 1>have to utter his name that he is a good friend,

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<v Speaker 1>very good friend of none other than lovable Louis Farrakhon,

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<v Speaker 1>who arguably is the biggest anti Semite in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of this country.

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<v Speaker 2>Their buddy buddies. At any rate.

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<v Speaker 1>The House Oversight Committee is going to look into whether

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<v Speaker 1>Governor Waltz and Attorney General Ellison ignored fraud reports from whistleblowers.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's an easy one to answer.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they did.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll tell you what, when that committee gets their

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<v Speaker 1>hooks into you, they're going to find some things out.

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<v Speaker 1>The question is, what, if anything, can they do about it?

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<v Speaker 1>And there is some good news coming out of Minnesota

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<v Speaker 1>Operation Metro Surge from ICE. They have snared more than

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred illegal alliens since December, the first in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Minnesota. So obviously that's a good thing. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is this is so screwed up, and Janis

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<v Speaker 1>is going to talk about this. They actually found a

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<v Speaker 1>person who was already indicted. And I think there were

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<v Speaker 1>seven indictments for fraud this week. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about those in a minute. But anyway, they found a

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<v Speaker 1>person who was already indicted for this fraud but is

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<v Speaker 1>still receiving payments.

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<v Speaker 2>From the state.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course it's federal money, but the payments go through

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<v Speaker 1>the state, still receiving some money from another fraudulent program.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't write this stuff up. I mean, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>make it up. You just can't. And again, with respect

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<v Speaker 1>to those new indictments, according to AI, which I have

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<v Speaker 1>found to be accurate, on Thursday, this Thursday, December eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>federal prosecutors unsealed new indictments against six additional individuals in

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota as part of an expanding probe into multi million dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>in this case medicaid fraud. And this is if it

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<v Speaker 1>weren't so sad, it would be funny. A new term

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<v Speaker 1>has been coined as a result of this stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>that term, and you know, I look at this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>I keep up with it. I'm seeing it. With respect

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<v Speaker 1>to the story, the term is fraud tourists. Fraud tourists.

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<v Speaker 1>They are people that apparently there's quite a few of

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<v Speaker 1>them who traveled to Minnesota specifically to exploit these state

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<v Speaker 1>funded social service programs fraud tourists. So again, thank you Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you tampon, Tim Keith Ellison for that fraud tourist. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the new programs that are getting scrutiny and where

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<v Speaker 1>the indictments came out of Housing Stabilization Services HHS fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>Five individuals assign And let me just say from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>if I mispronounce these words, I could care less these names.

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<v Speaker 1>Hassan Ahmad, who said Ahmad abadibidab Mohammad, Kamil, Omar Salah, Anthony, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go, some normal ones, Anthony Waddell, Jefferson and

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<v Speaker 1>Lester Brown. They're all charged with the frauding programs that

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<v Speaker 1>provide housing assistance for people with disabilities and mental illness.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, if you're going to screw somebody, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess in their warped mind, these kind of people, these

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable people are okay to screw. Well anyway, our buddies

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<v Speaker 1>Hussein and Mohammed and you know, by the way, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll probably catch some crap for this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, wasn't it to deal with originally with people

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<v Speaker 1>coming into our country, citizens coming into Ellis Island, that

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<v Speaker 1>not all of them, not all of them, but many

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<v Speaker 1>of them americanized their names. Well, you don't see any

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<v Speaker 1>of that anymore. It's obvious, just throwing that out there anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Hussein to Mohammed, they are the owners of Pristine Health LLC.

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<v Speaker 1>They allegedly used seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>stolen Medicaid funds for extensive international travel that you and

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<v Speaker 1>I are paying for. Jefferson and Brow reportedly moved to

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota after being told the state's programs were a quote

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<v Speaker 1>good opportunity to make money.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's your fraud tourist submitting up.

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<v Speaker 1>To three point five million in false bills despite having

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<v Speaker 1>no network in the local community. And we learned about

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<v Speaker 1>this one last week. The autism program fraud abadibidab Hassan

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<v Speaker 1>was indicted for allegedly registering a company to channel state

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<v Speaker 1>resources intended for families of children with autism. Isn't that great?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's screw those people over. He is accused of stealing

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<v Speaker 1>it its only six million and using a portion of

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<v Speaker 1>the funds to purchase are you ready, not a luxury vehicle,

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<v Speaker 1>but a semi truck. Now you know what I could

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<v Speaker 1>see where you would probably need a semi to fight autism.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I say that very tongue in cheek. Allegations

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<v Speaker 1>of terrorists funding federal authorities. As I said before, are

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<v Speaker 1>investigating claims that a portion of these defrauded tax dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>your dollars, my dollars may have been diverted to the

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist organization Al Shabab in are you ready Somalia? So again,

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<v Speaker 1>just another word about these fraud tourists. They travel to

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota after a friend told them that state programs were

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<v Speaker 1>again quote, a good opportunity to make some money. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what the prosecutors say. That's what they are alleging. They

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<v Speaker 1>are saying that Minnesota has become a magnet for fraud,

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<v Speaker 1>so much so that we have developed a fraud tourism industry. So,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, it's hard to imagine this getting any worse,

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<v Speaker 1>but it probably will. Okay, Now at this point you're

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<v Speaker 1>probably asking yourself, how could this have happened? Why didn't

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<v Speaker 1>someone do something about it? Well, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I have at least a partial answer to that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk about an article that appeared on

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<v Speaker 1>Fox on the website, not I don't think it was

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<v Speaker 1>on TV, but on the website. And I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to read a few passages from me because it answers

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<v Speaker 1>the question how could this have happened? And why didn't

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<v Speaker 1>somebody do something about it? Okay, it's by Andrew Miller,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's entitled how fears of being labeled racist help

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<v Speaker 1>provide cover for the exploding Minnesota fraud scandal. I really

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<v Speaker 1>probably don't have to read anymore just from that headline,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will. Aftermath of the massive Feeding our Future

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<v Speaker 1>scandal and broader allegations of systemic fraud in Minnesota's social programs,

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<v Speaker 1>a troubling theme has emerged. Accusations of racism repeatedly used

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<v Speaker 1>to deflect scrutiny, intimidate investigators, install accountability rumors, and reports

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<v Speaker 1>of fraud in Minneapolis, primarily within the cities exploding Somali community. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta be careful about about saying that. You really

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<v Speaker 1>got to be careful, you know, you just you're not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to do that, because not all of them are

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<v Speaker 1>doing this stuff, only about ninety percent of them, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>But he just that's something that they've been beating a

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<v Speaker 1>drum on anyway, primarily within the cities. Exploding Somali community

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<v Speaker 1>have been circulating at least for a decade, but criticism

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<v Speaker 1>of the fraud has been largely dis missed by elected Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>Two wit tampon tim as racist or being underpinned by

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<v Speaker 1>animosity towards foreigners. News stories focused on Somali fraudsters in

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<v Speaker 1>recent years were shot down as racist. So you wonder

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<v Speaker 1>why nobody's done anything about it. I think, at least

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<v Speaker 1>in part that is Your answer goes on to say

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<v Speaker 1>the whole story kind of died under these accusations that

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<v Speaker 1>people were being called racist. This guy named Bill Glen,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a policy fellow with the Center of the American Experience.

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<v Speaker 1>He told Fox News quote, Oh, maybe somebody stole a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit here, a little bit there, but there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>systemic going on close quote.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he said that tongue in cheek

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<v Speaker 2>or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Former US Assistant Attorney Assistant US Attorney Joe Tarab, who

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<v Speaker 1>helped take on federal prosecutors in the Eating Few Future

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<v Speaker 1>case that was the first one they found out about,

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<v Speaker 1>described to Fox News digital how individuals implicated in the

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<v Speaker 1>fraud leaned on racial accusations as a shield.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to this.

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<v Speaker 1>According to to read, suspects explicitly invoked race during a

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<v Speaker 1>sleep secretly recorded meeting with none other than a dear

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<v Speaker 1>friend of lovable Louis fair con Attorney General Keith Ellison,

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<v Speaker 1>asserting that investigators were targeting them only because of their race. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there you have it, folks, once again, once again, the

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<v Speaker 1>American citizens and taxpayers come last. You just throw these

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<v Speaker 1>idiotic accusations out there, and let's just see where it

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<v Speaker 1>goes from there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, again there's your answer as to how

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<v Speaker 1>this could have happened and nobody did anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at the players.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Waltz, what a buffoon of the highest degree. You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tell me that he's governor of this state and

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't know this crap's going on. Please the attorney general,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't know what's going on. I mean, there's just

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<v Speaker 1>no way that that can be. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>once again, the American taxpayers, you and I we take

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<v Speaker 1>it on the chin a big time.

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<v Speaker 2>And again you're gonna hear this over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're only scratching the surface so far at

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<v Speaker 1>the six to eight billion. I'm gonna talk to Janis

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<v Speaker 1>about that and ask her her thoughts. Here's an example.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to give you a practical example of

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<v Speaker 1>what's driving this stuff. Okay, this week, when a reporter

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<v Speaker 1>asked Governor Waltz if he wanted the Somali community to

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<v Speaker 1>step up and take some ownership of this problem. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine that being held accountable take ownership? Anyway, when

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<v Speaker 1>they ask him about that, here's what he said, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm quoting him, Governor Waltz tampon, Tim, Look, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>law abiding citizens. If that were the case, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of white men. Should be holding a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>white men accountable for the crimes that they have committed.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes on to say, I think for the community

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<v Speaker 1>to maybe educate their population, because I think what you're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing here is there's secondary victims in this that there's

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<v Speaker 1>providers inside the community that are then victimizing the community

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<v Speaker 1>themselves by signing up. Because when you're going when you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to some of the some of these people they're

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<v Speaker 1>like this is amazing. They're like I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in this program, so I think it's asking

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<v Speaker 1>this then, you know, for every crime, which of course

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<v Speaker 1>the majority being committed, the majority are being committed by

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<v Speaker 1>white men, asking us to do more about that, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's crime in general. Folks there, It is the

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<v Speaker 1>typical liberal solution when they don't have a legitimate answer

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<v Speaker 1>for anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Two things, scream racism, blame white men.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe this buffoon actually said that.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, you know, white men are.

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<v Speaker 1>The punching bag for just about everything, it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>these days. You know, I want to look at the

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<v Speaker 1>cast of characters involved in this, but we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>time to do it now, but maybe sometime later in

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<v Speaker 1>the show. But it's you got your il han omar

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<v Speaker 1>as I said Keith Ellis, and boy there's some other

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<v Speaker 1>shady characters and we're going to take a look at them.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now, hey, you know, that's what I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know what you think. Seven four nine,

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<v Speaker 1>seven thousand, eight hundred The big one are the numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen Saturday, Mind Now, nine thirty nine, News Radio

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Allen Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Midday talking about the growing and unfolding scandals plural in

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Minnesota where they're doling out your taxpayer

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<v Speaker 1>dollars because again most of it's federal to just about

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<v Speaker 1>anyone for just about anything. Hey, I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 1>to the calls here in just a minute. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>open lines of course, from nine thirty to ten, also

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<v Speaker 1>this morning from ten till ten thirty and eleven thirty

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<v Speaker 1>to noon, so lots of time to talk today if

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<v Speaker 1>you would like to do that. Seven four nine, seven thousand, one,

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred, the big one are the just for a

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<v Speaker 1>minute or so here, I wanted to give you an

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<v Speaker 1>idea to cast the characters involved in this. And again

0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.760
<v Speaker 1>this is just a small part of the fraud. These

0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:16.160
<v Speaker 1>people have been identified so far. These are mainly, as

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<v Speaker 1>I understand it, from the Feeding our Future program alleged

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<v Speaker 1>program where all these meals for kids were supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be prepared and given to the kids. Apparently almost none were.

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<v Speaker 1>And then another particularly onerous one is the Kid's Autism

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<v Speaker 1>Program or the purpose of it was to help kids

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<v Speaker 1>with autism, but again it was just a front for theft. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>with respect to those two programs, you got a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Salim Ahmed said, he's the former owner of a

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<v Speaker 1>popular restaurant. I think it's called Safari Restaurant. Okay, well

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at it, then you take Ilhan Omar.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know about her and who she is.

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<v Speaker 1>She held her twenty eighteen congressional victory party at are

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<v Speaker 1>you ready the Safari Restaurant, and she has appeared with

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<v Speaker 1>mister Salim Ahmad said at numerous political and civil events.

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<v Speaker 1>Now does that necessarily mean that Ilhan omer Omar has

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<v Speaker 1>her hand in the cookie jar? No, it does not,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it's appropriate and there's nothing wrong with

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<v Speaker 1>pointing things like that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you have a person by the name of Hadji

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<v Speaker 1>Asman Salad. He claimed to be a vendor for more

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<v Speaker 1>than are you ready fifteen million dollars of meals delivered

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<v Speaker 1>next to none, next to none, fifteen million. There have

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<v Speaker 1>been some good meals.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Then let's see a guy named Abazi beizuz Od Shafari

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<v Speaker 1>Farrah that a little bit of a part of this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>His company allegedly stole more than forty seven million bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you go to Gandhi Yusef Mohammad oh he donated

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<v Speaker 1>to Keith Allison, Attorney General, Keith Ellison, friend of Louis Farrakhan,

0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Keith Ellison's reelection campaign. Hey, he was charged with laundering

0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:29.320
<v Speaker 1>about one point one million bucks. Then you go to

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<v Speaker 1>an individual by the name of Lebon Ali Shier donated

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<v Speaker 1>again to Keith Ellison's campaign. He was charged in the

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<v Speaker 1>Meal program scheme. Then of course you got Keith Ellison.

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<v Speaker 1>He took donations, as I just said, from Gandhi and

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<v Speaker 1>Lebon And again, does that mean that because he took

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<v Speaker 1>money from them for his campaign that he did anything illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he can argue it's damn improper, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>it does not. But again, I think it's appropriate and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's helpful to point those things out. Just

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<v Speaker 1>another couple of things here I can get to real quick,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think they're important. This two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar fraud scheme that I was just talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>where the funds were meant to go to, what they

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<v Speaker 1>were meant to do. Okay, feeding our Kids program, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the main one it was supposed to help. It was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to help recovering addicts find a place to live.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about that last week. A hell of a good,

0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:41.000
<v Speaker 1>noble cause, but again next to nothing was spent on that. Also,

0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:45.080
<v Speaker 1>the funds were supposed to help disabled adults live independently,

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<v Speaker 1>again another good cause. And it was supposed to go

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<v Speaker 1>to help one on one therapy for and this is

0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:57.800
<v Speaker 1>particularly disgusting autistic children. And I think it's probably about

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<v Speaker 1>zero dollars. When to that, Now where the funds did

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<v Speaker 1>actually go wire transfers to China and East Africa. Read

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<v Speaker 1>into that, whatever you want. They actually went to funding

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<v Speaker 1>a villa of money for a villa in the Maldives,

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<v Speaker 1>first class plane tickets to Istanbul and Amsterdam read into

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<v Speaker 1>that whatever you want. Also, stacks of cash apparently was

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<v Speaker 1>texted between defendants.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the allegation.

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<v Speaker 1>The funds went to luxury cars, lakefront property in Minnesota,

0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and designer jewelry. Well, there you have it, folks, there's

0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:48.240
<v Speaker 1>your tax dollars at work. And this is exactly exactly

0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:54.400
<v Speaker 1>what happens when you put liberals in charge of money.

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<v Speaker 1>This scene is not a new one. The extent of

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<v Speaker 1>it is probably new, but not the facts of what happened. Really, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go to the phones. Let's stop with start with

0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:12.000
<v Speaker 1>kurt in Madisonville. He wants me to be careful with exploiting. Kurt,

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<v Speaker 1>how you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Hey more, Mike, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Jude?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you need to be very very careful with

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<v Speaker 4>the language that you're using.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're talking about tell me.

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<v Speaker 4>What exploding Somali populations. That's a real possibility.

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<v Speaker 5>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, let.

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<v Speaker 2>Me stop you there.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously I didn't mean detonating explosives for them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I'm just I'm just giving you.

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<v Speaker 2>A hard go ahead. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>But honestly, this entire Minnesota thing is just it's how

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<v Speaker 4>much more of it is going on and where Kurt everywhere? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we gotta get rid of these people. I mean, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>we just we every last one of them that came over.

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<v Speaker 4>We got to get rid of these people and take

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<v Speaker 4>this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Back exactly exactly as far as getting rid of them,

0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.040
<v Speaker 1>we have to do. We have to do that within

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<v Speaker 1>you know what the laws says that we can do.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think I'm not I'm not suggesting that we

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<v Speaker 4>go out, you know, And I get that, I get

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<v Speaker 4>that saying we need we need to send them back where.

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<v Speaker 6>They came from.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, and the other thing too. And I've already

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 1>gotten some crap on this one, you know. Uh tampon

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Tim said, well, you know, these white males, if it

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<v Speaker 1>were that, it would be different.

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<v Speaker 2>Blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>I read something and I'm gonna I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>one of Janis Heisel's articles.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna ask her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, she's great, very good, very good, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for I'll pass that on to her. Uh, it's ninety

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<v Speaker 1>something percent of the people indicted are of Somalian background.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, why aren't you allowed to say that? Why

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<v Speaker 1>are these people in our country? I don't I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say that until the damn cows come home.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I couldn't agree more. Yeah, I mean, but until

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we we we just got to get rid

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:22.080
<v Speaker 4>of them. We need to start deporting all these their

0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:30.960
<v Speaker 4>their interlopers. They are just here just feeding off of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Of us.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's been pretty well thick of it,

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 1>pretty well documented. Uh so far at least that you know,

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 1>people scratch their heads like you and I say, how

0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:44.960
<v Speaker 1>could this have happened and nobody knew and or did

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<v Speaker 1>anything about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's the accusations of racism.

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Let's just throw and then you know, guys like Tampon,

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<v Speaker 1>Tim and Ellison, they go cower in their corner. Oh,

0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.840
<v Speaker 1>we can't do anything about that. And with respect to

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Ellison and probably Waltz too, they probably got campaign dough

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:05.879
<v Speaker 1>from them. So look, I think we're only at the

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:08.880
<v Speaker 1>beginning of this thing, Kurt. But I appreciate the call.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate the tongue in cheek nature of what you said, too.

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<v Speaker 2>I really do well.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I said, be careful when you start talking about

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<v Speaker 4>exploding small.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you, buddy, hear you, thank you? Okay, thanks, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And guess, in a way, he's right. You

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:28.280
<v Speaker 1>do have to watch what you say. But I ain't

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:32.679
<v Speaker 1>holding back and I don't care. I could care less

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 1>if some live out there and say, oh, he's saying this,

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 1>he's mispronouncing their names.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what, I don't care. Like so many Americans, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sick of it.

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Why should we the taxpayers have to fund this and

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.919
<v Speaker 1>put up with it? You know, Ellison and mainly uh

0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Governor Waltz, they should resign immediately. And they I don't know,

0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:07.400
<v Speaker 1>there's a federal criminal charge for just about everything, and

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 1>negligence can be It frequently is not, it's rare, but

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:16.239
<v Speaker 1>negligence can be the basis of a criminal charge. I

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 1>think this is at least negligence, and probably much much

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.880
<v Speaker 1>more than that. And again, what are we like three

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 1>weeks into this thing. It's just gonna keep getting worse

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 1>and worse. And it's a shame with all the legitimate

0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:33.480
<v Speaker 1>needs that we have. And you know, I just read

0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 1>to some of them. I mean, kids with autism. You're

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna screw parents of kids with autism, you to take

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:45.119
<v Speaker 1>money away from them. It's just again, it would be

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>hard to write a worse script than it truly is. Hey,

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 1>let's talk to Fred down in Saint Petersburg. Hey, Fred, how.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you doing.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm doing fine. Uh you mentioned the Safari restaurant. Yeah,

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 7>about eight six, eight months ago, there was a guy

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:03.640
<v Speaker 7>testified in court on one of these cases and they

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 7>brought up the Safari restaurant. He said, well, you can't

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 7>do anything, you can't run for political office or anything

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 7>without going through the Safari restaurant that was in court.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and uh so it's it was it's like the mob.

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 8>You know, mobs Havealian restaurants, you know, what I mean. Also,

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 8>and that Wall statement, you know that he's a racist,

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 8>you're in simple and another thing. Uh uh, they're gonna

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 8>go after all the money. And I'd be curious to

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 8>find out how much money went through some of these

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 8>d md W dealers. You mentioned fancy cars and the

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:42.360
<v Speaker 8>Mercedes dealers.

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:46.160
<v Speaker 7>I'd love to be a salesman up there for a while.

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<v Speaker 7>But also there was a guy who was said he

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:51.640
<v Speaker 7>was going to buy a bunch of land around Oak

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 7>Grove north of Minneapolis, and he was selling plots and

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 7>said he was going to build a bunch of houses.

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 7>And uh so this guy and he scammed everybody. And

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 7>he was a Somali or Muslim. I don't know if

0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 7>it's Somali, but he's Muslim and it was going to

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:11.919
<v Speaker 7>be a pure Muslim community, and he was scamming the

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.639
<v Speaker 7>scammers because they were spending money, you know, like water.

0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 7>And also, uh, I think they ought to look into

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 7>some of the major newspapers up there's a number of newspapers,

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 7>but those newspapers haven't been followed. They are now, but

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.679
<v Speaker 7>for years other people have known about this, and the

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 7>newspapers weren't doing a damn thing about it. We weren't

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 7>talking about it, so they're getting their cut and uh

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 7>the uh, well, you know what I mean. I mean,

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 7>it's just, uh, I can't.

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 8>Wait to see this open up.

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 7>Man, It's going to be golden.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unbelievable when you think about it.

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>And you know, the point that you just made with

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 1>respect to reporters is very well taken.

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I've read so much about this this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm flipping through my notes and paint here trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find it. There was some report where they looked at

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>exactly the lack of media coverage and it's the same

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 1>damn thing. These reporters, these editors, they weren't gonna touch

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>this because of they would be labeled as racist.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crap.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, these media outlets need to investigate this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know one that has, and that's the Epoch Times.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, based on what I've seen, they're leading a

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<v Speaker 1>pack on this, and it's just a mess. I think

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>this time next year, honestly, Fred will still be talking

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>There's a guy up there too. His name is Joe Souchera.

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 7>He runs a car right to call him up there. Yeah,

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 7>he's been following this for years he's been talking about

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<v Speaker 7>this for years. Yep, and you know, so it's it's

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 7>gonna be wild. I hope they and I hope they

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 7>traced a lot of this money down and so the

0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:59.959
<v Speaker 7>taxpayers can get get a break at least. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>oh my goodness.

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 9>Well yeah, yeah.

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 2>One thing they can do.

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>One of these dudes that was involved in the UH

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it was the autism program goes out and

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>buys a semi tractor trailer. Maybe we can get that back,

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, it's just a joke.

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 7>When you said that, I hadn't heard about that. I

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 7>was thinking of what could they possibly use that for?

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 8>Man, It's just you know, well, I take sure it

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 8>wasn't legal.

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I got to take a break for the news, Fred,

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>But I do have one, wait, wait, one last question.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the weather today in Saint Petersburg.

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 7>It's beautiful, man, sunshine.

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 8>It's I think it's around sixty somethings. Oh maybe the seventy.

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 8>We're used to it, though, I.

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Don't us brother appreciate it. Thanks, bye, Okay, thanks Fred Man.

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what I could definitely do with some

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 1>of that weather. Hey, we do have to take a

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 1>break for the news. But when we get back again,

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 1>open lines seven four nine, seven thousand, one, eight hundred.

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>The big one are the numbers. Mike Allen Saturday Midday

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW Mike Gallon an hour or two of

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Saturday Midday.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what people.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to talk about this whole situation in Minnesota.

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 2>People are not happy about it at all.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of questions today and a lot of questions

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>from Jump and I'm going to get to the phones

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>here in just a second about why people didn't know

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 1>about this and why the media didn't cover it. They're

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:32.280
<v Speaker 1>covering it now because they have to. But just playing

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 1>around here, a Fox News article talking about a group

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>called NewsBusters. They're great, they're a media watch draw group.

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>And just to give you an idea, earlier this week,

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Curtis Houk at NewsBusters found ABC and NBC only touched

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 1>on the Minnesota fraud in twenty one percent of their

0:31:55.640 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Somalia coverage. Now, how can you when it's nicety something

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 1>percent Somalians?

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:04.600
<v Speaker 2>How do you do that?

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, of course, the obvious answer is they're liberals. They're

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>going to help their friends in the Democrat Party. But

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 1>it's again, it's just it defies all logic. But you know,

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>we that have been following this stuff forever, I think

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty much understand. It goes on to say, in just

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 1>a couple more points on this, the vast majority of

0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 1>verbiage was negative evaluations of Trump, negative evaluations of Trump.

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 1>The last I checked, he wasn't even president when this

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>stuff happened. Then finally they say add in CBS and

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the fraud fraction went up to thirty five percent, in

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>part because and I wanted to watch this, but I

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't because Face the Nation host Margaret Brennan, a very

0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 1>good friend of the Democrat Party, interviewed Minnesota Democrat Representative

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Ilhan Omar about it. Now, I'm going to go back

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 1>and watch it. I understand that the Treasure Secretary, Scott

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Descent was also interviewed about his contention that they're pretty

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 1>sure that some of this money, at least some of

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>it is going to some all you terrorist groups, one

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 1>in particular Al Shabab, and she wanted to get into

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>him a while. You don't know that, blah blah blah.

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>And it was apparently a pretty good give and take.

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to go back and watch that. But again,

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can write the script on this stuff

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 1>if it's at all sensitive in the liberal media's mind

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 1>about oh boy, if we cover this, we might be

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 1>called racist. They just don't cover it, and that is

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 1>a disservice. It's a huge disservice to the taxpayers of

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 1>this country. Black, white, green, brown or yellow, it doesn't matter.

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Anyway. Back to the phones, Let's talk to Eddie up

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 2>in Columbus. Hey, Eddie, how you doing, Mike.

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm well, Mike.

0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 6>Thanks Mike. The mayor of Columbus and the police chief

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 6>of Columbus PD are on social media now talking about

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 6>their what the city of Columbus is not going to

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 6>do and what they will do as far as the

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 6>ice investigations and assisting the local immigrant population and assuring them,

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:35.839
<v Speaker 6>assuring the immigrant population how safe they are, and Mike,

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 6>it sounds it goes on. It's much longer than that,

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.759
<v Speaker 6>but it sounds very, very similar to what we heard

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 6>out of Minneapolis. And I just hope that the powers

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.399
<v Speaker 6>that be in Ohio or whoever started it in Minnesota

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 6>are are looking at Ohio very very closely.

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:55.479
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I would hope so too, because I heard the same

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>thing and I saw I don't. It wasn't the Columbus

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:04.359
<v Speaker 1>police chief. It was the Minnesota police chief saying what

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 1>you were saying too, that hey, we're not going to

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:07.719
<v Speaker 1>cooperate with them.

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 2>We're going to do this, that, this and that.

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>And you know what it boils down to, which is

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:15.360
<v Speaker 1>an amazing thing that I never thought I never thought

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:21.279
<v Speaker 1>I would see this is it's in essence cop versus cop. Uh,

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 1>of course, you know, federal cop versus local cops. That's

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:27.799
<v Speaker 1>not the way it has been or the way it

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 1>should be. Cops protect each other. I don't mean covering

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:35.319
<v Speaker 1>for them when something's wrong, but they see that as

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>their job. And for that to have gone by the wayside,

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 1>and now it's even the dude in Minnesota, I think

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>it was said, well, you know what, if if they

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 1>get in some.

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Trouble, we're not going to cover for cover, cover over

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:51.239
<v Speaker 2>on the run.

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Now that was not the exact words, but that that

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 1>was the import of what I heard. It's just sad.

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:01.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, these people ice like them or hate them.

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 1>They're enforcing the law. If you don't like the law,

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>lives change it. But it's there and it's enforceable, and

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:10.720
<v Speaker 1>that's what they're.

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.879
<v Speaker 10>Doing, and it might help me out here real quick.

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 10>In very simple terms, the local government would not be

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 10>interested in investigating fraud if it's if it helps their

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 10>if their voters or who they think are voting for

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 10>them are going to be affected by it, correct, I

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 10>mean we're talking federal money.

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.759
<v Speaker 2>That's very very very true, very true.

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>And I heard something this week that you know, I

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>think the person said there are only one hundred thousand

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Somali American voters in I guess it's Dearborn County up there,

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:50.839
<v Speaker 1>and you know what, that's a lot, but when you're

0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 1>talking electoral it's not that much. However, they believe the

0:36:56.800 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 1>elected officials that it's very, very relevant, and I think

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.400
<v Speaker 1>that's probably not. Probably it is one of the reasons

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 1>why they're reluctant to get involved in this stuff. And

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's an abrogation of their duty as far

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 1>as I'm concerned.

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 3>I agree, Mike.

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.440
<v Speaker 6>I appreciate you keeping it in the forefront.

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 2>We will thank you. Thanks, Eddie.

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know it is it isn't it just so

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 1>typical of the mainstream media that well, you know, there's

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:30.879
<v Speaker 1>a chance that somebody Keith Ellison or somebody else il

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:35.839
<v Speaker 1>han Omar will call us racist if we aggressively investigate this,

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 1>So we're not going to do it. That's not right.

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 1>That's not what the media is supposed to do. That's

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:47.239
<v Speaker 1>not their job. Their job, as somebody like janishis on

0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Epoch Times, their job is to report the facts and

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 1>then will make our own damn decisions about what it means.

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:59.319
<v Speaker 1>It's But again, none of this is surprising. None of

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>it is surprised at all. But like I said, there

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:06.399
<v Speaker 1>was supposedly a pretty good dust up between Treasury Secretary

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Scott Descent and Margaret Running last Sunday. I'm gonna go

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 1>when I get home see if I can find it. Okay,

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 1>let's talk to Dennis in Annapolis. Dennis wants to talk

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:19.760
<v Speaker 1>about something a little bit off topic, but that's fine.

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Hey Doca, how you doing?

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 5>Pretty good? Mike, and Marry Christmas and Happy.

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:27.240
<v Speaker 2>New York to you you too. Yeah.

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:30.279
<v Speaker 5>Well, I just have a very quick comment on the Somalies.

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 5>So if these alleged fraudster Somalies who contributed to Keith

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 5>Ellison's campaign, if they're convicted, is he going to give

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 5>back whatever they donated?

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.440
<v Speaker 1>You know what they should they should, and I think

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:51.319
<v Speaker 1>there's precedent for that, Dennis. Some politicians have done that

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 1>and of course think, well, we didn't know that it

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 1>was for a bad purpose, but however we're giving it back.

0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't see it happening here. There's so freaking arrogant.

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 1>They'll stick their nose in the air and say, well,

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, I didn't know this, and blah blah blah.

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.720
<v Speaker 1>So I guess the answer the question is it could happen,

0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 1>but I wouldn't hold my breath.

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 5>Okay, But what I wanted I wanted to talk about

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:19.799
<v Speaker 5>was the this uh, this absolutely stupid decision by her

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:26.280
<v Speaker 5>named Connie Pillock to uh regarding this uh Elwood Jones case.

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:30.800
<v Speaker 5>She needs this, She needs to get a remedial case

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:36.399
<v Speaker 5>in logic and uh interpretation of statistics. Because this thing

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:40.440
<v Speaker 5>about the hepatitis B test, Uh, that is some kind

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 5>of new the modern uh new new. How'd your character

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 5>as it? Uh medical new medical testing or modern medical

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 5>testing excluded him? It does not exclude him.

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:53.879
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 5>He he has a he had a one, you know,

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 5>because the victim had hepatitis be right, The defense is claiming, well,

0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 5>and he should have gotten it after allegedly punching her

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 5>in the mouth and getting the wound in his hand. Well,

0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 5>he only had he had a one and three chance

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 5>of constracting hepatitis B that way, but he had a

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 5>two and three chance of not getting it. And so

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 5>I think this whole hepatitis B thing is totally irrelevant.

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 5>Well it's completely irrelevant.

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>But it's causing a stir in this town. And I'll

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 1>be honest with you, when I was prosecutor, I was

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 1>only peripherally involved in it for some post conviction stuff.

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 1>But I think what people at least some people apparently,

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't read this, I just heard this. She

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 1>made the comment that she believes he's not that he

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't do it, and you know what is prosecutor. I'm

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 1>not gonna second guess. Frankly, I think she's done a

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:57.319
<v Speaker 1>pretty darn good job of prosecutor so far. But I

0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:00.799
<v Speaker 1>was a little surprised at that, and I don't know

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 1>that I would have went that far. But at the

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, you know, it's her call. And

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:08.840
<v Speaker 1>the only thing is I mean, you know the taxpayers

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 1>are going to get wrung up on that too, on

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>an unlawful imprisonment charge, so.

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, right right, But but that to make a

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:21.000
<v Speaker 5>big deal out of it, like it's like the whole thing,

0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 5>the whole decision was hinging on. That was ridiculous. I mean,

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:26.120
<v Speaker 5>what if?

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 6>What if?

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:31.919
<v Speaker 5>What if if Jones had already had already had hepatitis

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 5>B before the crime, and so he suddenly they test him, Uh,

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 5>he's test positive, test positive, and she tests positive? Does

0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 5>that mean he automatically did it? I mean you could

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.800
<v Speaker 5>make that case too, you see what I'm saying unless

0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 5>he tested yeah, yeah, so that that would Does that

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 5>make that make him guilty because now he had it?

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 6>Well, the whole thing is ridiculous, I.

0:41:57.719 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Tell you what.

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>And I appreciate the call, Doc, I'm gonna be honest,

0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I haven't followed it that far, but it's kind of

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:08.840
<v Speaker 1>raising some hackles here. But I appreciate the call. I

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:12.920
<v Speaker 1>appreciate your medical opinion. I'm gonna be honest, I didn't

0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 1>really follow it that far, and I'm not gonna lie

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.200
<v Speaker 1>about it. I think she's done a pretty good job

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>as prosecutors so far. I really do. I don't know

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:24.800
<v Speaker 1>that I would have gone as far as to say

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 1>that I believe that he's innocent. I mean, I think

0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:30.839
<v Speaker 1>maybe an alternate to that was, well, I don't know

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.760
<v Speaker 1>that the case was proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 2>That's not saying you think he's innocent.

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 1>That's just saying that ultimately at the beginning it was

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 1>because there was a conviction.

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.720
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know. It is a big deal.

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 1>It is, But there's a hell of a lot of

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.439
<v Speaker 1>other things too, I think to worry about. Hey, let's

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:51.400
<v Speaker 1>talk to our friend Bobby. Haven't talked to him for

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 1>a while. Hey, good morning, Bobby.

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.400
<v Speaker 2>How you doing, my friend?

0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 9>God bless you and your family and friends. Is holiday season?

0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 9>Very happy homiken.

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:03.439
<v Speaker 2>All of them. Thank you, Bobby, Thank you you too.

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 9>What you got for well, I got I got a

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 9>couple of things. We talk about Minnesota, but people need

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:14.760
<v Speaker 9>realize that reflect on the past of twenty twenty five

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:18.640
<v Speaker 9>and every prediction that we made pretty well came true.

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:23.280
<v Speaker 9>If you look at the smally issue, Columbus is number

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 9>two in the nation. Excuse me, with SMALLI population thirty

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 9>five forty thousand. I guarantee you that job and Family

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.560
<v Speaker 9>Services is going to be well looked over.

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 2>You would hope.

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, you know, if there's evidence along those lines,

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and I've had callers over the last couple of weeks

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:46.960
<v Speaker 1>that are from Columbus and have kind of intimated that

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It just seems to me that where

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:52.839
<v Speaker 1>there's smoke, there's fire, and I don't care.

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's horrible, Mike, blah blah blah blah blah.

0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:58.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, you can't just turn a blind eye to

0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:00.680
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, well like they did Minnesota.

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think you've.

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Only heard the beginning of it from Minnesota and probably

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 1>up there too, But because a lot of people are

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.080
<v Speaker 1>talking about it, I guess we'll just have to see.

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:14.280
<v Speaker 9>Well a lot of times too, when you talk about

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:16.279
<v Speaker 9>the truth, people don't want to hear it, no, you know,

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.320
<v Speaker 9>they want to go to hidden categorize you as a

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:23.359
<v Speaker 9>racist and everything else and homophobic. But you know, there's

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 9>a difference between being prejudiced and being a racist. As myself,

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:35.840
<v Speaker 9>I'm extremely prejudiced against fundamental Islamics. I'm extremely prejudiced against

0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 9>these Somali grip heures and people in our country illegally.

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, yeah, you're right, that's it. I mean, you're

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:44.920
<v Speaker 2>allowed to be prejudiced.

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:47.680
<v Speaker 1>You're allowed to at least you used to be allowed

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:55.440
<v Speaker 1>to be prejudiced against criminals, brown, black, yellow, you know, Jewish, Catholic, Christian, Muslim, whatever.

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 1>But the first chance that you know, the mainstream media

0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:03.279
<v Speaker 1>is somebody else gets to latch onto that they think

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:05.560
<v Speaker 1>they got a tiger by the tail. Well, you know what,

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:08.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe fifteen, twenty, thirty, forty years ago they did have

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 1>a tiger by the tail. Not anymore. People can get

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:18.280
<v Speaker 1>that grifted. It doesn't mean crap anymore. The word racist

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and racism has lost all meaning because they've abused at

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the left is abused it so much.

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:29.160
<v Speaker 9>I have friends of every color and creed my friend,

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:31.160
<v Speaker 9>and they are good friends of mine, and I don't

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:33.560
<v Speaker 9>I'm not that way. I've never been that way. But

0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:35.480
<v Speaker 9>I don't have a use of these people that are

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 9>against you.

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, and I hear you and I anything you want,

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it, Bobby, Thank you.

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:44.479
<v Speaker 2>Merry Christmas to you too. Yeah.

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, last time I checked, you were allowed not

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 1>to like lawbreakers. Maybe that's something they want to change.

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:54.799
<v Speaker 1>How about Ken in Cincinnati?

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Hey? Ken, how you doing?

0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:57.439
<v Speaker 5>Hey Mike?

0:45:57.920 --> 0:45:59.880
<v Speaker 11>First of all, I want to wish merry Christmas to

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:01.720
<v Speaker 11>everyone out there, to you and your family.

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, you can thank you.

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 11>And the main reason why I'm calling is that we've

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:10.440
<v Speaker 11>got got a new brand name for You've got governor

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:13.840
<v Speaker 11>of Minnesota, and it's right here on the Mike Allen Show.

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:16.400
<v Speaker 11>We can call him kick Back Kill.

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 2>I like it. I like it.

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:23.160
<v Speaker 11>I likely that hopefully that'll stick, and we'll refer he's

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:26.680
<v Speaker 11>got his other moniker as well, hopefully to be able

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.879
<v Speaker 11>to pick up on it and kick Back Tim will

0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 11>get his start.

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I like it. I like it.

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:35.839
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'll tell you somewhere, somehow, sometime they're going

0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 1>to shine a bright light on that guy. Bank records,

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:44.440
<v Speaker 1>you know whatever. And I see no evidence whatsoever yet

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 1>that there's any criminal involvement with either him or I

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 1>think more likely Keith Ellison. But you know you've got

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 1>to send it over or excuse me, the House Oversight

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Committee looking at it, and we'll see where it goes.

0:46:56.640 --> 0:47:01.920
<v Speaker 1>At an absolute minimum, it's negligent, it's gross negligence, but

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 1>we'll see and I like the idea.

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 5>All right, Mike, God bless you.

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you you too, you know, and I was

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:15.520
<v Speaker 1>thinking about that too this morning. No evidence whatsoever that

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I've seen on the Governor's part and also Attorney General

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Ellison's part, they did anything criminal, however, I mean, law enforcement,

0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 1>whatever the branch is, would be foolish, foolish not to

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 1>demand bank records and other things. You better damn well

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:39.760
<v Speaker 1>believe if it were Donald J. Trump or JD Vance

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 1>or some Republican they'd be doing it. It's just again,

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:48.920
<v Speaker 1>it all boils down to it's unfathomable to think that

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:51.760
<v Speaker 1>these people didn't know about it, and if they didn't

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:55.160
<v Speaker 1>do anything about it, they're either negligent or they had

0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 1>something to do with it. As far as money in

0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the cookie jar. Now, Joe Biden, of course, the Biden

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:03.480
<v Speaker 1>crime family, they got away with twenty million dollars of it.

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.319
<v Speaker 1>But these guys shouldn't if in fact that's the case.

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 1>And I think with respect to Walls, he's so damn

0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:14.799
<v Speaker 1>dumb that maybe he really didn't know what was going on.

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:17.840
<v Speaker 2>But it's kind of hard to believe that would not

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 2>be the case. Hey, listen, we got to take a break.

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 1>But when we get back where there's some things interesting

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 1>things brewing throughout the country politically, we are going to

0:48:26.200 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>talk to our independent political analyst, Kevin Burton about them.

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:34.560
<v Speaker 1>One being the Texas Senate race. Jasmine Crockett is jumping

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:39.440
<v Speaker 1>into that. The Ohio governor's race that's heating up, and

0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 1>as ironerstand some of the polling, it's tie and not

0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:46.640
<v Speaker 1>too long ago Vi Veik and a hell of a

0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:51.719
<v Speaker 1>lead healthcare vote this week for Republicans switch parties. And

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:54.920
<v Speaker 1>there was a special election in the Kentucky State Senate

0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 1>that I want to ask Kevin.

0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 2>About and we'll do that when we get back.

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:01.879
<v Speaker 1>Mike, You're to talk about talk about it and give

0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:05.200
<v Speaker 1>us an independent perspective, which is always good to have.

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Is our good friend, Kevin Burton. Kevin, thanks so much

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:09.359
<v Speaker 1>for joining us.

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 2>This morning, Mike, thanks for having me my pleasure.

0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:15.919
<v Speaker 1>Hey, listen, it looks like a barnburner going on down

0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:19.399
<v Speaker 1>there in Texas for the Senate race. None other than

0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Jasmine the Mouth Crockett has declared her candidacy and apparently

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:25.399
<v Speaker 1>she's serious about it.

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:27.960
<v Speaker 2>You do have one Democrat.

0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:32.280
<v Speaker 1>It looks like a former representative, Colin Aureed. He dropped

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:37.200
<v Speaker 1>out just hours before Jasmine Crockett filed to run, which

0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:39.200
<v Speaker 1>sounds to me is probably some kind of a deal.

0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 1>But she does have she does have opposition in state

0:49:43.200 --> 0:49:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Representative James Tallerico. Your thoughts on that race, Kevin, does

0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Jasmine Crockett she got obviously have a good chance in

0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:55.680
<v Speaker 1>the primary, but does she have any shot at winning

0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that Senate seat?

0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 12>Well, to me, this is a great micro cosm of

0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 12>what democrats. You know, with Crockett you got a bullhorn,

0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:11.560
<v Speaker 12>you do. And with James, you know, he gained notoriety

0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:13.879
<v Speaker 12>of going on the Joe Rogan Show talking about how

0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:17.880
<v Speaker 12>faith shaped him. You know, a very compassionate, kind of

0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:21.600
<v Speaker 12>middle of the road, kind of like an Andy Sheerish type.

0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 12>So to me, I'm very fascinated in this race because, well,

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 12>Democrat voters vote for someone who they think could possibly

0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:34.120
<v Speaker 12>pull an upset or someone who's just the loudest in

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 12>the room.

0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:39.320
<v Speaker 1>You know what's interesting about Jasmine Crockett in doing some research,

0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:41.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, probably a year or so.

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Ago, looking at it, she she's a lawyer.

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Not that that makes her it's smart anybody else, but

0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:51.360
<v Speaker 1>when she wants to be, she can at least appear

0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:56.240
<v Speaker 1>quite reasonable. It looks like she's pulling a Kamala Harris.

0:50:56.239 --> 0:51:00.319
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes when she's before a different kind of crowd, she'll

0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:04.560
<v Speaker 1>change her style and along those lines, there is a

0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:08.440
<v Speaker 1>poll that I saw she's got an eighty nine to

0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:14.880
<v Speaker 1>eight percent lead among African Americans. That's obviously very very substantial.

0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:18.040
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, do you see that as well, Kevin,

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:21.839
<v Speaker 1>that she kind of crashs her message to whoever she's

0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:23.719
<v Speaker 1>talking to, and you know, you're not going to get

0:51:23.760 --> 0:51:24.720
<v Speaker 1>away with that very.

0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:27.759
<v Speaker 12>Long well, and that's one of the problems when you

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:31.719
<v Speaker 12>are a congress person because usually you are giving red

0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:34.560
<v Speaker 12>meat to your district. Yeah, it doesn't matter if you're

0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:38.279
<v Speaker 12>left or right, because they're also Jerrymander that like, you

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:41.560
<v Speaker 12>don't really have someone who actually has to run towards

0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:45.560
<v Speaker 12>the middle. And you know, I think one thing, and

0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 12>it's Texas, So you know, the Hispanic.

0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:51.000
<v Speaker 13>Vote's gonna be very very important.

0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 12>You know, James and I always butcher his last name, Tellerico.

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.640
<v Speaker 12>You know, Obama even called him, you know, one of

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:06.120
<v Speaker 12>the things one of the Democrats doing something right before

0:52:06.200 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 12>Jason Crockett entered this race.

0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Really, I'm sure you'll hear that again.

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:16.719
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and you know, he's very prevalent on TikTok and

0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 12>things like that, you know, using state and just trying

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:23.160
<v Speaker 12>to and I'm really fascinated in this because I think

0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:25.719
<v Speaker 12>it's going to show what the rest of twenty six

0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:28.480
<v Speaker 12>is going to do. Are the Democrats going to try

0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:30.680
<v Speaker 12>to run towards the middle and we've had this conversation

0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:31.640
<v Speaker 12>how many times?

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:35.760
<v Speaker 13>Or are they gonna run just to be anti Trump

0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:37.040
<v Speaker 13>and not anything else?

0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:40.839
<v Speaker 12>Sure, we've seen this before that, you know, same thing

0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:42.120
<v Speaker 12>with like EMUs Mandani.

0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:45.520
<v Speaker 13>Like people are willing to vote for someone if they

0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:46.600
<v Speaker 13>actually know what they're standing for.

0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:50.960
<v Speaker 12>Just saying Trump sucks, we get it, we get it,

0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:51.960
<v Speaker 12>it's been ten years.

0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:53.240
<v Speaker 13>Give us something else.

0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Yep, you're right and looking at it.

0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Here in early Texas Southern University poll, I guess it

0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:04.960
<v Speaker 1>was conducted shortly after her announcement, Crockett is leading tall

0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Rico fifty forty three percent, So I mean she's got

0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 1>that edge going in. I guess we'll just have to see.

0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:16.000
<v Speaker 1>The bigger question obviously, is can she beat John Cornyn

0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:20.080
<v Speaker 1>or Ken Paxton? And I guess there's another one, Wesley Hunt,

0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Houston area Congressman.

0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Are the people of Texas?

0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess, is there any way the people of Texas

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.080
<v Speaker 1>would elect this woman as their senator?

0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:32.320
<v Speaker 14>No?

0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:38.000
<v Speaker 12>And easier to know, the only reason that we're even

0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:42.120
<v Speaker 12>talking about those races because it's just a great microcosm

0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:46.560
<v Speaker 12>of the battle inside the Democratic Party. You know, tall

0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:50.800
<v Speaker 12>Ico actually has a chance to actually flip that seat

0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:53.839
<v Speaker 12>because he's the quintessential kind of Democrat that you would

0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:58.160
<v Speaker 12>want in Texas, and if they could, if he wins that,

0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:00.960
<v Speaker 12>then we're talking about maybe the Senate might be up,

0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:05.560
<v Speaker 12>you know, the control of the Senate might be up.

0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:09.640
<v Speaker 12>But if Crockett wins, which you know, primaries are always

0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:11.239
<v Speaker 12>favor people of the extremes.

0:54:11.400 --> 0:54:14.640
<v Speaker 13>Sure, no, no, there's no path.

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you look at it too.

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:19.080
<v Speaker 1>The primary down in Texas, I guess, is scheduled for

0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 1>March the third. And you're right, Kevin, I mean that

0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:24.399
<v Speaker 1>is a good indicator of which way, not so much

0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:28.239
<v Speaker 1>the party leaders, but what party faithful want to do.

0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:31.279
<v Speaker 1>And that one bears watching. Hey, I want another one

0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:34.640
<v Speaker 1>that bears watching Ohio governor's race. Well, I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what if I'm not mistaken, Kevin, and you'll correct me

0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:40.800
<v Speaker 1>if I'm wrong. I mean, the veak Ramaswami had a huge,

0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 1>huge lead going into this thing, or shortly after he announced.

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:49.839
<v Speaker 1>From what I am seeing, it's it's about even now.

0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I guess there's a poll out Ohio Federation the Teachers.

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly take that with a great assault from.

0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Where that's Yeah, that shows her slightly up anyway you

0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:03.239
<v Speaker 1>look at it.

0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:05.960
<v Speaker 2>She's closing the gap. I mean, what's your thought on that.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, So always be wary of internal polls. You can

0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:15.360
<v Speaker 12>sew the numbers because you also want to just skip base.

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:18.760
<v Speaker 12>But by all the indications, the race has closed.

0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:20.600
<v Speaker 13>You know, we know who it is.

0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 12>And I think part of the problem with Vivec is

0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:28.680
<v Speaker 12>Dwain has already said he's not endorsing him yet. Age

0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:32.120
<v Speaker 12>Yo said it was the wrong decision just to appoint him.

0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 13>A year before.

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<v Speaker 12>And then you know Dwaine's comment of saying, listen, I

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:39.800
<v Speaker 12>was the governor during COVID. You know, you can't blame

0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:42.000
<v Speaker 12>Amy for that. The buck stops with me. So that

0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:43.680
<v Speaker 12>kind of hurts their messaging point.

0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and do you see that Kevin is just a

0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:47.720
<v Speaker 1>blatant shot at Trump.

0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:52.760
<v Speaker 12>I mean, I'm kind of in the minority here where

0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:55.200
<v Speaker 12>I don't blame I don't care if your newsme to

0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:58.719
<v Speaker 12>Ron DeSantis. Yeah, there was no playbook for COVID. There

0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:04.600
<v Speaker 12>was no playbook. I'm not gonna Monday Morning quarterback Governor's decisions.

0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:07.200
<v Speaker 12>You know, we all agreed it sucks. Let's not go

0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:12.120
<v Speaker 12>through it again, right, But I'm not gonna criticize that.

0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:16.239
<v Speaker 12>But I think the rising costs in everything, you know,

0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:19.200
<v Speaker 12>it is going to be a blue wave just historically.

0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:22.320
<v Speaker 12>You know, this is the checks and balances of government,

0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:27.680
<v Speaker 12>and the vec's gonna have to It's yeah, his momentum

0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:31.719
<v Speaker 12>has stalled, but once again, we're still ten months out,

0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:34.839
<v Speaker 12>so you know there's a lot of time. You know,

0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:40.120
<v Speaker 12>Trump most likely will be here campaigning for him because

0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:43.160
<v Speaker 12>also there's congressional seats, so you know you're gonna have

0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:47.760
<v Speaker 12>a lot of money poured in. You know, does Amy

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:50.560
<v Speaker 12>get a benefit that she has shared Brown with her

0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:56.319
<v Speaker 12>running Yes, But if you ask me today, I mean

0:56:56.400 --> 0:56:58.040
<v Speaker 12>the fact I would still if I was.

0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:00.000
<v Speaker 13>A bettingman, I would still put money onto the BacT.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think Amy Acton is going to be able

0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:04.280
<v Speaker 1>to raise competitive money?

0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:05.839
<v Speaker 2>Now we all know that they can.

0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's obviously gonna have the unions and some of

0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:12.439
<v Speaker 1>the other groups, But do you think she'll be able

0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:14.480
<v Speaker 1>to raise enough dough to make this competitive?

0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:16.680
<v Speaker 13>I think so.

0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:22.000
<v Speaker 12>She ironically hired a lot of Shared Brown's people. You know,

0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:24.160
<v Speaker 12>it's kind of like when a coach leaves, they take

0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 12>all the number two's and make them number one. So yeah,

0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 12>so I think she'll be able to make it a

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:34.920
<v Speaker 12>very compelling race. But the truth of the matter is

0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:37.280
<v Speaker 12>most of the money in Ohio is going to come

0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:44.600
<v Speaker 12>in for the Senate race because because that's where people

0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:49.560
<v Speaker 12>care now and historically, you know, Ohio is the inverse

0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:53.000
<v Speaker 12>of Kentucky. You guys have had how many Democratic governors

0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:55.840
<v Speaker 12>in like the last like fifty years, like two or three,

0:57:56.400 --> 0:58:00.520
<v Speaker 12>So it's the inverse of Kentucky. So until proven otherwise,

0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:01.920
<v Speaker 12>I would bet on the back.

0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you're right about that. It does look

0:58:04.680 --> 0:58:08.360
<v Speaker 1>like it's closing somewhat. And Amy act and I don't

0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:11.480
<v Speaker 1>know much about her, I don't think anybody does. But

0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:15.280
<v Speaker 1>she appears to be a credible candidate. So we'll have

0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:17.400
<v Speaker 1>to see what happens on that. Hey, I wanted to

0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:19.880
<v Speaker 1>talk to you too, just I guess it was this

0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:23.560
<v Speaker 1>week or last week, there were four House Republicans, so

0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:27.000
<v Speaker 1>called moderates. They broke the party ranks to join with

0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Democrats and signing that discharge position a petition, which of

0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:35.480
<v Speaker 1>course forces a floor vote extending the Affordable Care Act.

0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:38.360
<v Speaker 1>And boy, I'll tell you that that seems like it's

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:41.000
<v Speaker 1>slapping the face to Speaker Johnson.

0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Your thoughts on that.

0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:45.560
<v Speaker 12>It's a major slap in the face of Speaker Johnson,

0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:48.920
<v Speaker 12>because now every single House person.

0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:51.840
<v Speaker 13>Is going to have a vote. So if you do

0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:52.920
<v Speaker 13>not vote to.

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:59.160
<v Speaker 12>Extend the Affordable Care Act and the premiums, you're gonna

0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:02.840
<v Speaker 12>that's gonna be the thing, biggest, you know, issue this campaign.

0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:05.360
<v Speaker 12>So there was a gallup pulled on five days ago.

0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:10.120
<v Speaker 12>Forty seven percent of Americans belief healthcare is a major problem.

0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:13.920
<v Speaker 12>Why twenty nine percent does cites it as the most

0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:20.520
<v Speaker 12>important issue. So regardless of the pollar, it's a major, major,

0:59:20.560 --> 0:59:21.400
<v Speaker 12>major issue.

0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:25.560
<v Speaker 13>And honestly, the Democrats got what they wanted. There's going

0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:26.560
<v Speaker 13>to have to be a vote.

0:59:26.680 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 12>And you know, Republicans now are either going to have

0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:34.200
<v Speaker 12>the vote to keep the premiums, which is a win

0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:38.680
<v Speaker 12>for Democrats, or vote no then be exposed in the

0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:39.560
<v Speaker 12>campaign cycle.

0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the Democrats they got that like a dog

0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:43.440
<v Speaker 2>with a bone.

0:59:43.480 --> 0:59:45.800
<v Speaker 1>And you know, of course said they were only supposed

0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:47.560
<v Speaker 1>to be temporary, but you know how it is with

0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:51.440
<v Speaker 1>government when it comes to funding issues, it's never temporary.

0:59:51.520 --> 0:59:54.000
<v Speaker 2>So I guess we have to see how that plays out.

0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Last thing, and you told me about this, and this

0:59:56.040 --> 1:00:00.560
<v Speaker 1>is really interesting with respect to Kentucky special I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it was last Tuesday. Democrat Gary Clemens won the race

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<v Speaker 1>for Kentucky Senate District thirty seven. Didn't just win, it

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<v Speaker 1>won it by seventy two point six percent. The Republican

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<v Speaker 1>Calvin Leech, he's like way behind that twenty five percent.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he got What do you read into that?

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<v Speaker 1>And I know you have a lot of knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky politics, Kevin, what's your read on that and what

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<v Speaker 1>we can take away from it?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, first off, it was a Democratic district, so that

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<v Speaker 12>is okay and foremost, but they also ran a labor guy.

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<v Speaker 12>They ran a blue collar I'm sorry, I can't remember

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<v Speaker 12>if he's left steel worker.

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy Higden. There's a she got one hundred twenty one votes,

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<v Speaker 1>so probably not her.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, so Gary, he you know, he's a very blue

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<v Speaker 12>collar person. And special elections always favor the party who's upset, right,

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<v Speaker 12>because they're going to rally their base. We saw this

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<v Speaker 12>the last four years with Republicans. We're seeing this now

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<v Speaker 12>with Democrats. The special elections I always take with a

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<v Speaker 12>very just with a grain assault because whoever's energized, they're

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<v Speaker 12>going to put up huge numbers. And you know, Frankly

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<v Speaker 12>and Kentucky, there's six Senate Democrats. So for the Republicans,

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<v Speaker 12>why would you spend a lot of money on that race?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean just the margin of victory here, I

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<v Speaker 1>would think would give Democrats some reason to be happy

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I know you mentioned that it was a

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat district.

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<v Speaker 12>Though, yeah, yeah, So I mean he did overperform, you know,

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<v Speaker 12>by forty two points, which is a lot. But I

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<v Speaker 12>would also caution because you know it is a special election, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 12>So for Democrats, you know, it's a great messaging point

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<v Speaker 12>saying we ever performed by four two points where energized,

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<v Speaker 12>give us money. Because Kentucky House up until twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 12>was actually still controlled by Democrats. Now it's all the

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<v Speaker 12>way down to twenty only members. So I think this

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<v Speaker 12>is going to fund a lot of these house races

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<v Speaker 12>in the Commonwealth. But also once again I wanted to

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<v Speaker 12>take caution, people take this with a grain of salt.

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<v Speaker 12>It is a special election two weeks before Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotcha.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Unfortunately we're out of time, but I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>with you Wednesday morning. I believe I'm in for Sloani

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll have plenty to talk about. But appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>coming on today.

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<v Speaker 12>But thank you as always, and Merry Christmas to all

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<v Speaker 12>your listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>You too, Thank you. Kevin nig you bye bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, interesting stuff, And man, I love getting

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<v Speaker 1>a scoop from him because you get it straight down

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<v Speaker 1>the line. Hey, we got to take a break for

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<v Speaker 1>the news, but when we get back, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking to Jameis Heisel. The Epoch time she is filed.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe five separate stories this week. I'm gonna ask.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's probably on the ground out there in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 1>But boy, i'll tell you what, probably more than any

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<v Speaker 1>other national reporter, she's on this thing like White on Rice,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got a lot of questions for we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>that when we get back. Mike Allen Saturday Midday there's

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<v Speaker 1>Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen with the third and

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<v Speaker 1>final hour of Saturday Midday. Well, you know what, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you could call this the gift that keeps on given.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking, of course, about the Minnesota fraud cases. Janie Heisel,

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<v Speaker 1>senior reporter for the Epoch Times, is on this like

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<v Speaker 1>White on Rice, and she filed no fewer than, I believe,

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<v Speaker 1>five separate stories, all great stories with a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>information on what's going on. There a thanks for joining us,

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<v Speaker 1>and are you there or are you reporting from here?

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<v Speaker 3>I have made it safely home in time for Christmas,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm really glad for that. But I got to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you you're exactly right when you say that there's

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<v Speaker 3>just so much going on with this. I were literally

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<v Speaker 3>working pretty much around the clock just but although not

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<v Speaker 3>to the computers say that's what they're doing, but they

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<v Speaker 3>they literally are are shreading water. They can't keep up

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<v Speaker 3>with all of this, and there's you know, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the analogies I heard was, it's kind of like you're

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<v Speaker 3>drowning and somebody won't turn off the hose to the

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<v Speaker 3>swimming bowl that keeps pulling it up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good analogy.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what that's where prosecutors are, and frankly I

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<v Speaker 3>feel a little bit that way too. The work I

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<v Speaker 3>do is far less.

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<v Speaker 14>Significant, but Manna, I think it's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is important to inform people, especially because one of the

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<v Speaker 3>stories I'm currently working on does talk about you're putting

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<v Speaker 3>this minisoda fraud into context. I mean, there are fraud

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<v Speaker 3>problems across the government with these you know, basically government

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<v Speaker 3>handout programs. But the interesting things that I'd like to

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<v Speaker 3>emphasize that I feel most people may not realize is

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<v Speaker 3>that I've run across reports who absolutely which absolutely document this.

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<v Speaker 3>Those the prodsters are not the people who are beneficiaries, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And they're not the people that are going. If they do,

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<v Speaker 3>they're not very big amounts. And the system is easily

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<v Speaker 3>set up to catch those people.

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<v Speaker 14>Who are getting you know, who are getting a lot

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<v Speaker 14>of the benefits.

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<v Speaker 3>The people who are really raking in the big dough

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<v Speaker 3>by millions of dollars are providers of services raising from

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like ambulance, uh, you know, transportation or you know

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<v Speaker 3>taking a bus of a van to a medical appointment

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<v Speaker 3>or you know, they claim they picked up missus Jones

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<v Speaker 3>when and can people when they never did it, and

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<v Speaker 3>just billing for all this and providing meals to children

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<v Speaker 3>who didn't exist, and just literally making up records and

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<v Speaker 3>smitting those and never being chucked until somebody looks and goes,

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<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, you paid five thousand kids in one

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<v Speaker 3>day and you have the staff of three. That is

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<v Speaker 3>the big point that I would like people to recognize that, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>there are people who gain the system welfare seets, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and people really resent that. But the big, big dollars

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<v Speaker 3>do seem to be going to these individual providers, companies

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<v Speaker 3>and people who provide services or are supposed to people.

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<v Speaker 10>Who do need it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing, and that's one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that almost brings tears to your eyes. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about children with autism, children who are hungry

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<v Speaker 1>and need to eat. It's just, you know, there ought

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<v Speaker 1>to be and maybe there is in the Federal Code

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<v Speaker 1>specification that jumps it up a couple of years or more.

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<v Speaker 7>Just for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It just makes you sick. You know your stories. You

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<v Speaker 1>did one on Thursday. I'll just read the headline here

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayers money. This is astounding taxpayers money still flowing to

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<v Speaker 1>indicted fraud suspect. So the dudes indicted, but according to

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<v Speaker 1>your story, he's still getting taxpayer money.

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<v Speaker 2>How can that happen?

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<v Speaker 14>Well, that is.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly the question raised by the head of there's a

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<v Speaker 3>flub committee that was formed in the legislature that has

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<v Speaker 3>continued to meet even while the legislature has been out

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<v Speaker 3>of session because they believe it's so important to continue

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<v Speaker 3>this work. The lady who is heading that is actually

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<v Speaker 3>running against Governor Wall. Her name is a representative a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of Robbins, and you know, I trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>too deep into the political back and forth between her

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<v Speaker 3>and him, and this is this sort of thing. But

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<v Speaker 3>she raises a lot of very concerning situations. I highlighted

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<v Speaker 3>this one because I too was going it was a

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<v Speaker 3>jaw dropping moment. I mean, as a reporter, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>there at the time. I was listening to this on

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<v Speaker 3>a live stream via internet, and you know, sometimes you

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<v Speaker 3>just sit there, you're looking at your computer screen it's

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<v Speaker 3>throning on and on. But no, this meeting wasn't this way.

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<v Speaker 3>There were many things that were being raised that my

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<v Speaker 3>jaw just kept dropping open and I went, what what?

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<v Speaker 3>And now?

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<v Speaker 14>In you know, to be fair, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Did try to contact and get response from the guy

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<v Speaker 3>who is the inspector general for the welfare department there.

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<v Speaker 3>He did respond to.

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<v Speaker 14>Me the next day.

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<v Speaker 3>I later added his comments into my story. He is

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<v Speaker 3>asserting that his department has cross checked the names of

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<v Speaker 3>the indicted people against people or receiving money.

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<v Speaker 14>But again that conflicts with but when were those checks done?

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<v Speaker 3>Just recently? You know, because this information this this lady

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<v Speaker 3>provided seem to be very backed up by research. Uh

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<v Speaker 3>and they even pertinence a chart. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>you had a chance to see that, but it literally

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<v Speaker 3>is a web, a web of like you have this

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<v Speaker 3>one defendant, and this person is tied to this company,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the wife runs that company, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there are four other properties that they own, and a

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<v Speaker 3>realtor is the one who is hooking them up with

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<v Speaker 3>all these and then that realtor is connected to other

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<v Speaker 3>people who are accused, and on and on. And this

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<v Speaker 3>little flow chart about what that shows? The interconnected web

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<v Speaker 3>of suspicious actors or even you know, indicted in some

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<v Speaker 3>cases fraudulent actors is really it makes your eyes just

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<v Speaker 3>pop out when you look at this chart and you

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<v Speaker 3>think about the fact that this is one person and

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<v Speaker 3>there are one tie three for prizes on the probably

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<v Speaker 3>two dozen bubbles of interconnected dots and lines showing businesses, entities,

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<v Speaker 3>people and scandals.

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<v Speaker 1>It's incredible. I've got it right in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>I read it yesterday, and I mean, you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 1>You got realtor one, realtor two. What's the P stand for?

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<v Speaker 2>Janis? There're p P two, P three and four.

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<v Speaker 15>I think, Okay, okay, it's just yeah, it's again. I

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<v Speaker 15>always default to this, but I can't help. But how

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<v Speaker 15>in the hell could this be going on?

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I think I've answered the question in

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<v Speaker 1>my own mind as to why it's going on and

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<v Speaker 1>why they got away with it. I think allegations of

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<v Speaker 1>racism probably a big part of it. But how is

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<v Speaker 1>it that no one independent caught this thing? Because it

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<v Speaker 1>is it's beyond huge. It's almost like people are saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I dare you, you know, come and try

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<v Speaker 1>to catch me.

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<v Speaker 2>It just I don't know. I can't wrap my mind

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<v Speaker 2>around this. I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>There are many many unanswered questions about all of this,

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<v Speaker 3>especially the magnitude of this and now just on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 3>at his press conference, the US Attorney first Assistant, a

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<v Speaker 3>guy who's been at this for several years and as

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<v Speaker 3>a Native Minnesotan.

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<v Speaker 14>His name is Joe Thompson.

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<v Speaker 3>He talks about how there are fourteen medicaid programs that

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<v Speaker 3>have been put on hold because of risk for fraud.

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<v Speaker 3>The payments are being held back until the audits can

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<v Speaker 3>go okay, this is okay, we release this money. And

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<v Speaker 3>those payments from dating back to twenty eighteen for just

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<v Speaker 3>those fourteen programs total eighteen billions. Based on what he

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<v Speaker 3>has seen, half of that or more, he can quote

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<v Speaker 3>half or more of that eighteen billion could have been

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<v Speaker 3>fraudulent billing based on everything that he has seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, And that's the headline for your story six News.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait to hear that. It gets worse as it makes it.

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<v Speaker 3>These are fourteen programs one adventure. A guest, how many

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<v Speaker 3>medicaid programs Minnesota has total?

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<v Speaker 2>How many?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure it's eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven eighty seven?

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<v Speaker 3>Boy, the eighty seven eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven different ways to scam the taxpayers.

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<v Speaker 3>And and see, this is one of the things that

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of particular to Minnesota, and that is there

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<v Speaker 3>is an attitude there and.

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<v Speaker 14>It's been for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just part of the Minnesota culture, is what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Told that that people there want to help people there's

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<v Speaker 3>this there's this friendliness but yet simultaneously not too warm

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<v Speaker 3>kind of reception. There's a joke that goes around that

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<v Speaker 3>says something like, a Minnesotan will give you directions to

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<v Speaker 3>anywhere except his own front door.

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<v Speaker 14>They want to help you, but only so far.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the idea is that you know, they they

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<v Speaker 3>try to ask, they try to help people, but they

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to know why do you want to know this?

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<v Speaker 3>They don't ask too many questions, nor do they volunteer

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<v Speaker 3>much information.

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<v Speaker 14>And so that is kind of a.

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<v Speaker 3>Cultural Minnesota particular attitude, and I felt it when I

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<v Speaker 3>was there as an Ohioan. I did notice there's a difference,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've seen many I thought, am I imagining this?

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<v Speaker 3>When I looked up columns written by people who are

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<v Speaker 3>transplants there. I've talked to people who are transplants from

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<v Speaker 3>other states there and they confirm, yes, Actually, it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of cool. It's called there's a term for it.

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<v Speaker 14>They call it Minnesota nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota nice.

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<v Speaker 14>I'll help you, I want to help you.

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<v Speaker 3>I welcome you, but then again, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 3>go too far with it. I'm not going to ask

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<v Speaker 3>you too many questions. Or volunteery, much about myself, have

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<v Speaker 3>a good day.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Well you mentioned a new term.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's another new term that I learned from reading your story,

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<v Speaker 1>that specific story we're talking about, and that is so

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<v Speaker 1>called fraud tourism. You right that it's a new phenomenon

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<v Speaker 1>among the Minnesota fraud cases, although prosecutors have heard it,

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<v Speaker 1>heard of it occurring elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Fraud tourism. Can you tell my listeners what that is?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So there were at least two defendants coming from

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<v Speaker 3>a distant state, in this case Pennsylvania. They would repeatedly

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<v Speaker 3>fly from Philadelphia to Minnesota. They set up LLCs there

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<v Speaker 3>and they had zero connections to anybody there. They didn't

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<v Speaker 3>come for the other things draw a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>for tourism reasons, like the scenery. Minnesota is called the

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<v Speaker 3>Land of ten Thousand Lakes, and a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>love the scenery there. And I can tell you there

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<v Speaker 3>are parts of it that I think are quite beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh and uh, So they don't come to that. They

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<v Speaker 3>come literally because they heard it with easy pickens in Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 3>you can get rich quick with these government programs, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy they sure have. Again reading your stories and other stories,

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<v Speaker 1>you know one of them. I think this was one

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<v Speaker 1>of your stories that one of the guys they alleged fraudsters.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was in the in the the autism

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<v Speaker 1>program went out with the proceeds and bought a Mac truck,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm assuming is a semi Is that accurate?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I remembering that right?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Yeah, I think it was a streight Liner to

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<v Speaker 3>be specific. But that's my recollection. I didn't personally write

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<v Speaker 3>that one, but yeah, actually one. That's another one of

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<v Speaker 3>the many follow ups I'm working on I have. It

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<v Speaker 3>took me a little bit of digging to prolose some

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<v Speaker 3>court exhibits that show some of the vehicles, properties checks

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<v Speaker 3>that are involved with how these people involved with these podcases?

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<v Speaker 3>Where did the money go? And do the taxpayers have

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<v Speaker 3>any prayer of getting it back? And if they do,

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably is going to be years because you know

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<v Speaker 3>how this Mike as a prosecutor, that forfeiture process isn't

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<v Speaker 3>a flick the switch and.

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<v Speaker 14>Get it done.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's you're right, and hell, there's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>money there to get too, and it sure seems like

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<v Speaker 1>they're bleeding it till dry.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, let me ask you this question, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to go ahead, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, well, there's nothing to be there's

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<v Speaker 3>no money left if you're going out and using it

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<v Speaker 3>to fly for international travel and fancy meals.

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<v Speaker 14>And other things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Homes in the Maldives.

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<v Speaker 14>I guess, right, well, you might be able to get

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<v Speaker 14>a hold of some of that, but it once't.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, it further complicated when we are foreign properties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just there's so many I guess, so many

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<v Speaker 2>circles on this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know you don't do politics, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want you to, but I guess I've read this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I see Tim Waltz, and I think, how in

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<v Speaker 1>God's name did that guy not know about it? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just assuming that he did. I'm ninety five percent certain.

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<v Speaker 1>And number two, why in the heck didn't he do

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<v Speaker 1>something about it? And I think I know that one too.

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<v Speaker 1>He was worried about the big R word. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think this guy's going to survive? He's up

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<v Speaker 1>for apparently they're not term limits for governor in that state,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's up for up for election. You know, is

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<v Speaker 1>are you hearing anything that he might say that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to run because that woman that you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>who put together that chart, she's running against him, ezactly.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a Republican state bread. Yeah, I guess the question is,

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<v Speaker 2>is this dude good?

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<v Speaker 3>There's a number of challengers.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So here is what I will say, based on what

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<v Speaker 3>I've read people have talked to, I hear that the

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<v Speaker 3>tide does seem to be kind of starting to turn

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<v Speaker 3>against him, but he still has some very staunch supporters

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<v Speaker 3>and I have seen some pulling that however, talks about

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<v Speaker 3>like something like fifty seven percent of the people disapprove

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<v Speaker 3>of his handling of fraud. There are a number of

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<v Speaker 3>people I've talked to who thought that number was really

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<v Speaker 3>low considering the level of outrage that they're detecting there.

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<v Speaker 3>And the questions that you raise are the very same

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<v Speaker 3>questions that a lot of people are raising, including the

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<v Speaker 3>House Oversight Committee, right, And that's James Cummer's committee, And

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<v Speaker 3>he had given until like the seventeenth CYS now passed

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<v Speaker 3>for Governor Walt and for the age Attorney General of Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 3>Keith listened to provide a bunch of documents to to

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<v Speaker 3>to show whether whistleblowers allegations that they turned a blind

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<v Speaker 3>eye to it after the whistleblowers tried to raise it.

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<v Speaker 3>I've really been trying hard to find any whistleblowers who

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<v Speaker 3>will talk to me. But I have spoken to legislators

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<v Speaker 3>who speak to these people, and they're telling me that

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<v Speaker 3>these people have represented that they were actually disciplined.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 14>They some of them claimed they were surveiled after.

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<v Speaker 3>They tried to raise the issues of fraud and and

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<v Speaker 3>there were and then there were less coercive ways allegedly

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<v Speaker 3>used to silence them, including just saying, oh, we don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to be you know, viewed as racist or home

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<v Speaker 3>uh or islama folbic right, and so probably when it

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<v Speaker 3>raised us about the Somalis. Now an interesting I just

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<v Speaker 3>turned in a very long free coal story.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, just interrupt you for a minute. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>hold over.

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<v Speaker 1>We're bumping up against the news just for about half

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<v Speaker 1>a segment, and I want to talk to you about.

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<v Speaker 2>What you were just talking about. I really appreciate it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Hey, we got to take a break for

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<v Speaker 1>the news, but when we get back, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>continue our talk with Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Allen Saturday midday.

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<v Speaker 1>Eleven thirty nine, News Radio seven hundred WW Mike Allen,

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday Midday. Hey, we were talking and we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk again to Janis, Heisel's senior reporter for the

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<v Speaker 1>Epoch Times. On this Minnesota deal. It's just got so

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<v Speaker 1>many tentacles. There's no way you're going to cover any

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<v Speaker 1>of it in twenty minutes, much less forty. But Janis

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<v Speaker 1>has given us as much as we can get. Janis,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for hanging in there for us. I cut you

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<v Speaker 1>off pretty much mid sentence last time. If you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to continue, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Would just explaining that I have really been trying to

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<v Speaker 3>delve into the kind of culture like why Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, that was a big question I've had from

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<v Speaker 14>the beginning. You know, yes, it is happening other places,

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<v Speaker 14>but this.

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<v Speaker 16>Prosecutor says, and it does seem to be supported that

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<v Speaker 16>the scale of it is unusual.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think there are some states where it may

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<v Speaker 3>even be larger, and I'm still looking into some of

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<v Speaker 3>that and planning a story about that. I think one

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<v Speaker 3>of them is actually California, the other maybe New York.

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<v Speaker 14>So that's something else I'm looking into.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, So something else I wanted to point out along

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<v Speaker 3>with the quote unquote Minnesota knife, what goes along with

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<v Speaker 3>that is Minnesota progressivism.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I talked to people who did not want I tried,

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<v Speaker 3>people insisted on mostly speaking to me, Hey, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to go by my first name only. And for example,

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<v Speaker 3>and told me that he has lived in Minnesota for

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<v Speaker 3>decades and he has seen where that attitude of Minnesota

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<v Speaker 3>and ice we help people, but we don't ask so

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<v Speaker 3>many questions. But along with that there is the progressive

1:22:17.800 --> 1:22:22.320
<v Speaker 3>attitude of let's add more program and spend more money.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, if you're taxed as a result,

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<v Speaker 3>too bad, because you're helping these people who need it.

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<v Speaker 3>An interesting example I observed while I live in Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 3>the Minneapolis Council approved a measure that would have required

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<v Speaker 3>them to the city to install Portajohn's sanitation stations provide

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<v Speaker 3>medical care for any homeless encampment has more than twenty people.

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<v Speaker 3>And I didn't dig into that one deeply that I

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<v Speaker 3>kept going, well, where's the money.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming from for this?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 14>And so the mayor, interestingly, though he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Also a Democrat, there's a lot of people in control

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<v Speaker 3>with the Democrat party. There the mayor of Minneapolis actually

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<v Speaker 3>vetoed that, so we'll see if it if he's able

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<v Speaker 3>to secure a veto proof.

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<v Speaker 14>Majority on that.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't have it on the council, but he was

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<v Speaker 3>able to. They're able to override in the veto or not,

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<v Speaker 3>so we'll see what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I mean, I get being progressive, I get

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<v Speaker 1>being wanting to help people, but my goodness, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I would assume that these aren't stupid people, and if

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<v Speaker 1>the money that they want to use for good causes

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<v Speaker 1>is being frankly stolen, you think that would get their attention,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently not.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I wanted to ask you. I'm sorry, go ahead you.

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<v Speaker 3>I interviewed a man who told me about some of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to drill down as much as I can

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<v Speaker 3>without making it tedious the cost to real people. And

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<v Speaker 3>one man told me, for example, that he's a father

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<v Speaker 3>of three and his property packs went up in one

1:23:55.400 --> 1:24:01.000
<v Speaker 3>year thirteen percent as a result, he percent in one year.

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<v Speaker 3>How would we feel here in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>We had that going on, you'd have a riot, is

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<v Speaker 2>what you'd have, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's not able to buy as many gifts for

1:24:10.640 --> 1:24:13.880
<v Speaker 3>his children for Christmas. Now, is he is the family

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<v Speaker 3>starving though it doesn't sound.

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<v Speaker 14>Like it, And is that a big deal, you know,

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<v Speaker 14>in the grand sum of things.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe not. However, if you look at the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>this is a hard working person who wants to buy

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<v Speaker 3>stuff for his kids, and now because he has being

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<v Speaker 3>forced to pay for what has now been identified as

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<v Speaker 3>a very large raft of fraudulent a program that's just

1:24:34.520 --> 1:24:37.519
<v Speaker 3>soaked in fraud, and because of that, that's the reason

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<v Speaker 3>he can't buy more stuff for his kids.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, that's the bottom line. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>how it's got to hit people in that state. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't care how liberal you are. At

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<v Speaker 1>some point it's like, come on, you know, I have

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<v Speaker 1>these these very well intentioned wishes, but it's not happening

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<v Speaker 1>because people are buying you know, islands in the Maldives

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<v Speaker 1>and semi tractor trailers, jewelry vacations.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what. You can be progressive, you can be

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<v Speaker 1>a liberal, you can be somebody that wants to help somebody,

1:25:13.680 --> 1:25:16.040
<v Speaker 1>but you also have to be a person with some

1:25:16.200 --> 1:25:19.400
<v Speaker 1>common sense, you would think. But I wanted to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you again. We talked a little bit about this person

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<v Speaker 1>number one. If you look at this thing here, it

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<v Speaker 1>just it amazes me from your story of I think

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<v Speaker 1>this one was the yeah, the eighteenth Thursday, okay, talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the assisted living facilities, one of the assisted living

1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:41.320
<v Speaker 1>facilities that Person one administers has four bets.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite this limited capacity, the facility was paid eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty six thousand dollars in twenty twenty four and

1:25:53.800 --> 1:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>was on pace to double that. That comes from that

1:25:57.760 --> 1:26:00.519
<v Speaker 1>young woman you're saying, who's going to run again Walls.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just astounding how that would not raise

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<v Speaker 1>any suspicion, which would have had to, but just no

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<v Speaker 1>follow up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just so hard to believe. Janis.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've got to tell you, some of these numbers

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<v Speaker 3>just make my eyes pop out of my head just

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about, Hey, what would I do with eight hund

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<v Speaker 3>grant right.

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<v Speaker 2>By?

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<v Speaker 3>That might be nice Mary Christmas, but you know, it's

1:26:29.479 --> 1:26:32.080
<v Speaker 3>it's a different mindset. And that's another factor here is

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<v Speaker 3>that I did reach a prosecutor, former prosecutor who worked

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<v Speaker 3>on some of these some early front cases, and he

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<v Speaker 3>I asked him, why is it that there we've kind

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<v Speaker 3>of touched on this before Mike. But this kind of

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<v Speaker 3>more confirms, it can give a little more meat to

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<v Speaker 3>the belief that when people.

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<v Speaker 14>Come from a culture that does kind of have a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of corruption in it, Yeah, that's going to affect how

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<v Speaker 3>you behave.

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<v Speaker 14>If you come to a different country.

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<v Speaker 3>And he told me that he does believe that that

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<v Speaker 3>that that there is a prevailing attitude among Somali's that

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<v Speaker 3>if you are not if there's if the government is

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<v Speaker 3>offering easy money, you are dumb if you don't go

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<v Speaker 3>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what, it's got to be something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>because well, I think you correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was your reporting ninety two percent or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that of the defendants criminal defendants are Somali?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that your reporting? And if it is, is it?

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<v Speaker 1>I did not.

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<v Speaker 3>Report that specistically, but he that prosecutors has shared with

1:27:37.479 --> 1:27:39.960
<v Speaker 3>me numbers along those lines. I didn't go through and

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<v Speaker 3>count because there's just so many. And this is the

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<v Speaker 3>other thing to keep in mind. So again, what is

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<v Speaker 3>unique about Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, I'm trying to drill out of that.

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<v Speaker 3>And not only does that this large population where you've

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<v Speaker 3>got this attitude, but you also have allegedly but you

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<v Speaker 3>also have a sort of like the lack of questioning,

1:28:01.600 --> 1:28:05.000
<v Speaker 3>so you have lax requirements for the programs, not much

1:28:05.080 --> 1:28:09.040
<v Speaker 3>follow up, and then the fear of the Islamophobia. There's

1:28:09.040 --> 1:28:11.400
<v Speaker 3>a lot of that going on here. There's many manufactors

1:28:11.760 --> 1:28:14.639
<v Speaker 3>that are kind of Minnesota specific and as a result,

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<v Speaker 3>there's also a unique feature, according to the prosecutor Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Thompson about the Minnesota flog cases that I'd like to emphasize,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is, while the typical medicaid fraudster company over bills,

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<v Speaker 3>like they'll take somebody on a ride, for example, and

1:28:34.160 --> 1:28:37.320
<v Speaker 3>they say that they've taken them pretend rides, so they're

1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:40.360
<v Speaker 3>just over billing. Or maybe they changed the code from

1:28:40.439 --> 1:28:43.439
<v Speaker 3>some service to something more expensive, like they didn't really

1:28:43.520 --> 1:28:47.679
<v Speaker 3>provide service X they but they service X is more expensive.

1:28:47.720 --> 1:28:51.000
<v Speaker 3>There's service lives, so they got more money fraudulently. So

1:28:51.120 --> 1:28:54.160
<v Speaker 3>that's usually what the fraud looks like. But in this case,

1:28:55.200 --> 1:28:59.240
<v Speaker 3>there are companies that provide zero services, shell companies for

1:28:59.680 --> 1:29:03.360
<v Speaker 3>pure for the purpose of just frauding the government, according

1:29:03.400 --> 1:29:05.559
<v Speaker 3>to the prosecutor, and that he says he.

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<v Speaker 14>Believed is unique to Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's unbelievable I don't know how many times

1:29:10.680 --> 1:29:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I've said that. I probably ought to find another word,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to ask you too, great story, I believe,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe this one was maybe Wednesday about the overturned

1:29:21.080 --> 1:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>fraud verdict, the jury verdict, criminal case, jury verdict on

1:29:25.760 --> 1:29:27.800
<v Speaker 1>some of this stuff. And you and I both know

1:29:27.960 --> 1:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>you've covered the courts. I was a prosecutor. That a

1:29:30.920 --> 1:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>judge overturning a jury verdict is extremely rare. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've only even heard of it in Hamill

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<v Speaker 1>County two or three times. What is the deal with

1:29:41.320 --> 1:29:44.760
<v Speaker 1>that with Judge Sarah West? And do you know what

1:29:45.000 --> 1:29:47.760
<v Speaker 1>her politics are or have any reason to believe that

1:29:48.439 --> 1:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>her overturning of what twelve people decided is politically motivated?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Mike, just like here in Ohio, where judge ships

1:29:58.520 --> 1:30:01.720
<v Speaker 3>are theoretically not political, we all know that's pretty much

1:30:02.160 --> 1:30:04.320
<v Speaker 3>all of these people in office, even if they're a

1:30:04.439 --> 1:30:07.160
<v Speaker 3>quote unquote non part of the position, do have these

1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:09.920
<v Speaker 3>political connections. So with that said, it's my understanding that

1:30:10.000 --> 1:30:13.920
<v Speaker 3>she is Democrat aligned. However, it's interesting because the Republican

1:30:14.040 --> 1:30:17.360
<v Speaker 3>lawmaker whose efforts I featured, he wants to really dig

1:30:17.479 --> 1:30:20.640
<v Speaker 3>into that particular case to try to get what he

1:30:20.760 --> 1:30:24.640
<v Speaker 3>calls a roadmap to fraud, Like, what are how do

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<v Speaker 3>you go from zero dollars of fraud all the way

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<v Speaker 3>up to seven point two million, which is what this

1:30:31.800 --> 1:30:32.640
<v Speaker 3>guy allegedly did.

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<v Speaker 14>They called it the seven point.

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<v Speaker 3>Two million dollar mailbox because he didn't even have an

1:30:37.600 --> 1:30:38.200
<v Speaker 3>office space.

1:30:38.680 --> 1:30:41.640
<v Speaker 14>He was running a quote healthcare agency.

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<v Speaker 13>From a mailbox.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And now I did not read the trial's transcredo. You know,

1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:52.719
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't even venture to say anything about the actual evidence. However,

1:30:53.280 --> 1:30:56.679
<v Speaker 3>the lawmaker I interviewed said, at first he thought maybe

1:30:56.760 --> 1:30:59.840
<v Speaker 3>that the judges politics had something to do with the

1:31:00.439 --> 1:31:03.720
<v Speaker 3>decisions she made here that was very recontroversial because it

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<v Speaker 3>broke around the same time all the attention starts exploding

1:31:07.400 --> 1:31:11.080
<v Speaker 3>over this in Minnesota because of the emerging scandals and

1:31:11.160 --> 1:31:15.120
<v Speaker 3>because of new allegations about the terrorism funding. All of

1:31:15.200 --> 1:31:17.000
<v Speaker 3>that was breaking at the same time. And then, oh,

1:31:17.040 --> 1:31:19.519
<v Speaker 3>by the way, this judge makes this decision, well, he

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<v Speaker 3>now says, it actually raises a lot of questions about

1:31:22.760 --> 1:31:26.879
<v Speaker 3>the how solid was the prosecutor's case. Because the biggest

1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:31.400
<v Speaker 3>concern that the judge raised in her fifty five page decision,

1:31:31.439 --> 1:31:36.760
<v Speaker 3>which I did read. She says, the prosecutors never made

1:31:36.800 --> 1:31:41.720
<v Speaker 3>the link between Okay, this man owns the company.

1:31:42.080 --> 1:31:45.240
<v Speaker 14>And here were there's evidence that he got all this money,

1:31:46.200 --> 1:31:46.839
<v Speaker 14>but did.

1:31:46.720 --> 1:31:49.719
<v Speaker 3>He cause the fraudulent billing?

1:31:50.280 --> 1:31:53.160
<v Speaker 14>His brother was actually running the company?

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<v Speaker 3>Gotcha, and the brother, to my knowledge, has never been charged.

1:31:58.720 --> 1:32:00.800
<v Speaker 14>I've been trying to do some smith being around.

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<v Speaker 9>On why not.

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<v Speaker 3>I have heard, you know, somebody appined to me that

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<v Speaker 3>they just couldn't find him.

1:32:09.760 --> 1:32:11.000
<v Speaker 14>May have left the country, he knows.

1:32:12.200 --> 1:32:15.840
<v Speaker 3>But that is so Again this lawmaker is saying, well,

1:32:15.880 --> 1:32:19.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, he's looking at all the transactions and trying.

1:32:19.600 --> 1:32:24.240
<v Speaker 3>There's forty four thousand transactions in this case. Think about that. Wow,

1:32:24.280 --> 1:32:28.800
<v Speaker 3>the volume of documents that these prosecutors Haley and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know.

1:32:29.439 --> 1:32:31.880
<v Speaker 14>He didn't say how many prosecutors you have, But Joe Thompson,

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<v Speaker 14>the prosecutor there in Minnesota, says he has a small staff.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's small means.

1:32:36.800 --> 1:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>But.

1:32:38.439 --> 1:32:41.479
<v Speaker 3>You wouldn't need like it looks like a prosecutorial army. Yeah,

1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:44.560
<v Speaker 3>it would soon if that's like one case. Now that

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<v Speaker 3>was actually a state case, it wasn't the federal case.

1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:50.560
<v Speaker 3>So you got to remember that this federal is a

1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:54.280
<v Speaker 3>whole different ball of wax than this state case is overturned.

1:32:55.320 --> 1:32:59.240
<v Speaker 3>So it's raising questions that about the state Attorney General's

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<v Speaker 3>office handling of and preparation.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the evidence in that case.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Janis, you know obviously didn't read the opinion from

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<v Speaker 1>the judge like you did, but you know she's quoted

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<v Speaker 1>as saying in your story. Similarly, the judge stated that

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<v Speaker 1>it was quote offensive and of great concern close quote

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<v Speaker 1>how much Medicaid money flowed through Usef's company, with more

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<v Speaker 1>than a million bucks transferred from the business account to

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<v Speaker 1>Usef's personal accounts.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know to me, and again I didn't read it.

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<v Speaker 1>What is offensive and of great concern is why she

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<v Speaker 1>would overturn a verdict of twelve jurors supposedly, who are

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<v Speaker 1>these this guy's peers? Again, I don't know it. And

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<v Speaker 1>my thing I guess I'm coming back on it is

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<v Speaker 1>so rare that a judge would substitute her opinion for

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<v Speaker 1>that of a lawfully constituted jury.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think I might just drill down on

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<v Speaker 2>that a little bit, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess as a former prosecutor, that strikes me as

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit strange and probably I shouldn't say probably,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe something.

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<v Speaker 2>Else behind it. And you have all of it, you

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<v Speaker 2>have all of a minute to respond. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't delve into this aspect for my story, but

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<v Speaker 3>my understanding that there may be a unique standard of

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<v Speaker 3>review that she used that's unique to Minnesota could again,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know the ins and outs of that. You

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<v Speaker 3>would know better than I have a lawyer, Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I'm gonna check it out. Janis. I really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate this, appreciate it a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Sure, thank you very much. I hope I've

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<v Speaker 3>enlightened some people and you know, give us some information,

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<v Speaker 3>things to think about and maybe even things to look

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<v Speaker 3>for in our own backyards.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm sure that you have, because I got to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, hardly a day goes by that somebody doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mention something to me about how they are enjoying your

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<v Speaker 1>reporting on this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big deal and it is very much appreciated.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, before I get off here, I do want to

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<v Speaker 3>encourage anybody to contact me, especially if they know anything

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<v Speaker 3>about what's going on up in Columbus, because I've been

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<v Speaker 3>hearing some things about that with the Columbus Somali community.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on Twitter at Janis High School, hisl E and

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<v Speaker 3>it has my email on there as well.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Jas, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, Janis Heisel of the Epoch time she

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the Columbus situation. If you've been listening for the

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<v Speaker 1>whole show, you know that we've had a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>callers and we had some last week too talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So get ready for that, hey, listen. I am out

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<v Speaker 2>of here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in for Sloaney Wednesday morning from nine to noon,

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<v Speaker 1>then of course next Saturday for Saturday midday Mike Allen

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW. But before I go, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>thank my producer Liam Mike Allen, seven hundred