1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: This is Duke of Duke Seafood. 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 2: Lady, you know that this hour of Softy and Dick 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 2: on your home for the Huskies and Kraken is probably 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 2: brought to you by Duke Seafood. Why not make it 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: at Duke's night tonight. Reserve your table today at Dukeseafood 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: dot com on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJARFM. 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Softian Dick without the soft one. 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 3: He was here. 9 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: Jackson is here. 10 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 4: Rolling into the five o'clock hour, we'll switch our for 11 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 4: one segment. We'll switch our Seahawks focus at five thirty. 12 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 4: We have been all Seahawks all the time for obvious reasons. 13 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 4: Today we will talk a little Michigan and their new 14 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 4: head coach, Kyle Whittingham at five point thirty with Brandon Brown, 15 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 4: the host of the Believe podcast for the Michigan Wolverines. 16 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 4: You know, guys, I think this defense probably deserves to 17 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 4: be talked about a little bit, don't you think, Since 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 4: we've talked about the Seahawks offense probably for ninety percent 19 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 4: percent of the show so far, because it's the Seahawks 20 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 4: offense that does some great things and also does some 21 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 4: things that scare us. But this defense rarely does anything 22 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 4: that scares us. It only does things that scare the opposition. 23 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 4: In fact, Jackson, that first play of the game, the 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 4: run by Rico Dowdell, first play of the game, did 25 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 4: you know that was the longest play from scrimmage the 26 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 4: entire game? 27 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 5: Because Okay, we heard the press conference from Mike McDonald 28 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 5: and like, I think it was Boyo who asked him. 29 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 5: You know, it's like, you know, you got to didn't 30 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 5: give a pass play more than eight yards. And I said, okay, John, 31 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 5: you can't be right about that, and it's true. And 32 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 5: then you look, I cannot believe that the defense was 33 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 5: that dominant. 34 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: They get here. 35 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 4: They gave up two run plays of eleven yards and 36 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 4: one pass play of eight and those were the longest 37 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 4: one days of the game. 38 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 6: If you take air yards on completions only. Remember now, 39 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 6: air yards are anything beyond the line of screamers. So 40 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 6: if you throw it five yards beyond the line scrimmers, 41 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 6: that's five air yards. 42 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: Right. 43 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 6: If you throw a bubble screen or something or any 44 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 6: type of screen or something behind the line scrimmage, that 45 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 6: would be you know, let's say a negative three or 46 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 6: something on the completions. It was a total of negative seventeen, 47 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 6: an average of negative one point two per completion. I'm 48 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 6: never I look, I'm a stat nerd when it comes 49 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 6: to crunching numbers on football. I've never seen anything like that. 50 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 6: I've never seen like like negative negative air yards on 51 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 6: completions for an entire game. That's a that's against the 52 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 6: number one overall that's not against you know, Minnesota's four string, 53 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 6: you know, rookie free agent. That's that's a that's a 54 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 6: starting quarterback, number one overall pick. And you made him 55 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 6: look like a guy that should be in high. 56 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 4: School and a team that could still win their division 57 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 4: and be in the playoffs. He went fourteen of twenty 58 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 4: four for fifty four yards passing. That is absolutely he 59 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 4: had a QBR. You you know what, you know you 60 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 4: liked the QBR, right. 61 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, he had an eighteen point three d oh no 62 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 6: oh no yards after the catch, three yards after the catch, 63 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 6: seventy one. The Seahawks average defense will be one hundred 64 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 6: and twenty four before that yards post contact, twenty eight 65 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 6: yards post contact. You know, just there's all kinds of 66 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 6: numbers that jump out of you. They just absolutely put 67 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 6: the vice on him and it's just great communication, you know, 68 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 6: when they played mostly his own coverage, and it's an 69 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 6: awareness of where your help is, how far to pass 70 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 6: guys off, pattern reading, all of this. It's an intricate 71 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 6: defense and when it's all tied together, it is a 72 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 6: flat out nightmare on quarterbacks. And it was yesterday. 73 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 4: Let's talk about number zero for a second, DeMarcus Lawrence, 74 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 4: because another fantastic game for him. I mean, his motor, 75 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: particularly at the age of thirty three. I mean, it 76 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 4: just does not look like he takes a lot of 77 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 4: plays off. Just talk about how they're using him, because 78 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 4: he just seems like he's around the ball all the time. 79 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, they keep them a little bit out on the edge. 80 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 6: I mean I think they let Leonard Williams and Byron 81 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 6: Murphy do and Jared Reid do the bulk of the 82 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 6: of the hard stuff inside where they have to anchor 83 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 6: down play like a gap and a half and you know, 84 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 6: get into a gap but don't penetrate and just kind 85 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 6: of build a wall for an opposing running back. I 86 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 6: mean that that's what I think they the Seahawks do 87 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 6: best out of five phases of football. You know, how 88 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 6: do you how do you run the ball, how do 89 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 6: you throw it? How do you defend the run? How 90 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 6: do you defend the pass? And special teams? You know, 91 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 6: I think that's all about twenty percent of the game. 92 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 6: And of those, if I'm right in that or close 93 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 6: to right, it doesn't matter that one fifth that stopped 94 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 6: the run is the most consistent thing that they do. 95 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 4: Even more than special teams, because some would say, man, man, 96 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 4: they're the number one special teams league team. 97 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: In the league. 98 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, especial teams EPA. I could go along with that. 99 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 6: I'm just remember they you know, they lost the ram 100 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 6: game on yeah, dispensal team. Yeah, and and you know 101 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 6: missed the field goal and their punters pinion into six inches. 102 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 6: I would I wouldn'trel will quarrel with you if you 103 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 6: said special teams. It's just not very entertaining radio, nor 104 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 6: is it you know, coffee and beer talk like, oh man, 105 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 6: you know, aren't we so good at covering? 106 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: You know? 107 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. 108 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 6: I mean, Keith Gilbertson said punt play is the most 109 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 6: important play in football. I'm not saying all football people 110 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 6: would agree with that, but Gilbertson was, you know, pretty 111 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 6: good football mind, and just the fact that anybody would 112 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 6: say that, you know, makes you pause. But yeah, Especial 113 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 6: Team's great. But but I think we'll go back to 114 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 6: the defensive line because you asked about d Law. He 115 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 6: is able to do some penetrating that the inside guys 116 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 6: aren't going to do, you know, like he had a 117 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 6: disruptive play. You know, he can line up in the 118 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 6: D gap outside of a tight end, or in the 119 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 6: C gap outside of a tackle and his and then 120 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 6: he can spark to the inside. So he lines in 121 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 6: an outside gap and he and he jumps into the 122 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 6: inside gap at the snap, and he's so quick at that. 123 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 6: And you know, I studied a lot of tape Dick 124 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 6: Jackson of him at the Cowboys when Seattle acquired him, 125 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 6: and just to my eye, he looks leaner, he looks more, 126 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 6: you know, like a big linebacker, whereas I thought before 127 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 6: he was almost like, you know, a defensive end, maybe 128 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 6: even a five tech defensive end. You know, I don't know, 129 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 6: maybe I'm imagining it, but I'd love to know. He 130 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 6: looks fifteen twenty pounds, you know, maybe that's an exaggeration, 131 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 6: ten fifteen pounds lighter, and I think the quickness is there. 132 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 6: The stamina is there. He's relishing his role as a leader. 133 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 6: You know, he talks about how how they they're they're 134 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 6: so you know, connected, and that's a credit to John Snyder. 135 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 6: You know, I think he's targeted guys that are inclined 136 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 6: to buy in. You know, you can talk buy in, 137 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 6: but what you know, what you have to do. You 138 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 6: have to do your homework on draft day and acquisition 139 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 6: and you got to learn about a guy and if 140 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 6: there's any red flags that come up about hey, hey, 141 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 6: this guy's a little bit selfish, a little bit of 142 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 6: a diva, you got to have the courage to walk away. 143 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 6: Not courage, but you have to have the discipline to 144 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 6: walk away and say, you know what, I can't have that. 145 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 6: And if you do that over a long enough period 146 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 6: of time and you just bring in guys that are 147 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 6: truly bought in and selfless, they will respond to leadership. 148 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 6: And you bring in a guy like Dila who has 149 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 6: the respect from all the players, and then all of 150 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 6: a sudden, you get some the synergy and where the 151 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 6: the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. 152 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 6: And that's what you see here, and you know, it's 153 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 6: it's a damn fun team to watch. 154 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: No, it really is. 155 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 4: And you know the guys that you were worried about, 156 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 4: if you're really worried about any guys coming in on 157 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 4: the Carolina offense, I mean Ted McMillan and Rico Dowdell 158 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 4: and we talked a little bit about Dowbtle and they 159 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 4: had the eleven yard run and didn't do much. I 160 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 4: thought they went from the run pretty early. I saw 161 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,559 Speaker 4: where they they ran. They threw the ball ten times 162 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 4: out of their first fourteen plays from scrimmage. 163 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: I was a little bit surprised that it was that 164 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: pass heavy. 165 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 4: But Hugh with Ted McMillan, I mean, this is a 166 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 4: guy in the last five games coming in had five touchdowns. 167 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 4: He had a monster game against Atlanta for a buck 168 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 4: thirty and two touchdowns. He was coming off a game 169 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 4: last week where he had six catches on ten targets 170 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 4: for seventy three yards in a Touchdow. I mean this 171 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: is a guy that's a you know, an All Rookie 172 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 4: team type player. We know his connections with Jed Fish. 173 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 4: He was an absolute stud at Arizona, decided to stay there. 174 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 4: He had one catch for five yards. Now I did 175 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 4: I did hear that he was dealing with an illness. 176 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 4: So if how would you put it into buckets? The 177 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 4: reason he had one catch for five yards? How much 178 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 4: goes in the Bryce Young quarterback bucket? How much goes 179 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 4: into that man When you were looking at Ted, he 180 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 4: just didn't look as fast and as explosive. That may 181 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 4: have been the illness or how much was the scheme 182 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 4: slash talent of the Seahawks defenders. 183 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 6: Great question I I in watching the tape. I had 184 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 6: kind of keyed in on him prior to the game, saying, hey, 185 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 6: this guy's an emerging talent. You know, talked about how 186 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 6: he was the Orange County Volleyball Male Volleyball Player of 187 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 6: the Year, which in Orange County is a big deal. 188 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 6: You know, like those guys are legit, you know, men's men. 189 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 6: They play a hell of an entertaining brand of volleyball 190 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 6: up in the air. And for him to have been 191 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 6: the volleyball player of the year, you can see that 192 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 6: all over his football tape. His body, control, his hand, eye, 193 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 6: he did like like the ball comes so naturally to him, 194 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 6: and he looked slow and sluggish. But you know there 195 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 6: was raining uniforms heavy. He played in Orange County. Then 196 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 6: he played at Arizona. Maybe he's not you know, used 197 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 6: to having to play. You know, I think as a 198 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 6: Hawaiian background of some sense, I don't think he's ever 199 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 6: had to play very often in the cold. So the 200 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 6: combination of being sick and I'm I'm making all kinds 201 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 6: of speculation that's probably not fair. But but you know, 202 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 6: maybe I'm wrong, But I'm just saying the tape did 203 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 6: not look like a guy worth the eighth overall pick. 204 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 6: You know the interception, uh, you know, balls on the 205 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 6: right half and one that that George that Love got. 206 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 3: Julie. 207 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to I want to take take us 208 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 4: through that one because I was that was my next question. 209 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 4: I wanted to take us through that that pick that 210 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 4: was a huge, huge play in the game. 211 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 3: A man. 212 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a family of a plays called flood. Okay, 213 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 6: and what flood is and ninety nine point nine percent 214 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 6: of coaches won't use the term flood on plays over 215 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 6: the middle. 216 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: Uh. 217 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 6: You know, once in a rare moon, you could say, 218 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 6: well a post route deep and then a deep deep 219 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 6: in and then a checkdown that's a three layered and 220 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 6: you could say that's a flood. But almost nobody talks 221 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 6: that way. Flood is the following flood is along the sidelines, 222 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 6: okay outside, you know, nearer outside the numbers, where you 223 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 6: have a guy deep, then you have a guy intermediate, 224 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 6: and then you have a guy shout. And so what 225 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 6: you're trying to do is, you know, you know, the 226 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 6: deep guy as a quarterback, you're just taking a peek. 227 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 6: Do they bust it? You're not really expecting he he's 228 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 6: designed to take the top off the defense. Then you're 229 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 6: generally fitting in a corner route or a sail route. 230 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 6: Those are the those are the two terminologies you'll see 231 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 6: that is a zone right zone zone. Yeah, there's a 232 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 6: zone beater. Well, I mean you could against man, but yeah, 233 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 6: I mean, uh, the corner route can be uh a concept. 234 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: What you're talking. 235 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 6: The concept is you say, okay, we're gonna we're gonna 236 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 6: stat you got two layers on your defense, the deep 237 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 6: and then the underneath layer. We're gonna put three guys 238 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 6: in there, deep, intermediate, short, and so we're gonna flood 239 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 6: your area near the sideline and you know that constant 240 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 6: and then you can even bring you know, if you 241 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 6: have a tight split from the backside you could run 242 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 6: an over route and he could be the intermediate level player. 243 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 6: So there's a family of flood got me. Most of 244 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 6: the time, it's a go or a post route as 245 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 6: the deep guy, then a sail route or often called 246 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 6: a corner route as you know, anywhere from fourteen to 247 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 6: eighteen or twenty yards, and then you got somebody in 248 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 6: the flat to hold the underneath. Got me yep, on 249 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 6: this particular type. It was in the flood concept. But 250 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 6: instead of running Ted McMillan on a sale like a 251 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 6: corner route, he ran a little out and up you 252 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 6: get to almost the exact same spot as if you 253 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 6: would have run the sale. So it still falls in 254 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 6: the flood family. But you gotta what did I say before? 255 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 6: You've got to communicate pattern read and have a sense 256 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 6: of where guys are, you know, don't be out of position. 257 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 6: And what Julian Love did something that's very unusual. At 258 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 6: the snap of the ball. He raced to the sideline 259 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 6: almost within three or four yards, like that's almost not 260 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 6: sound like that's you're too close to the sideline. It 261 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 6: was It's as if he was trying to become a 262 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 6: cloud defender, which a you know, a replacement cloud deforender. 263 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 6: So he's lined up over a slot. He raced the 264 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 6: sideways towards the sideline. He gets to within like four 265 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 6: yards of the sideline. That's an unusual buzz. What the 266 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 6: term is called buzz when you when you buzzed laterally 267 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 6: to the flat from that slot position defensively, that's called 268 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 6: but so he he got an extra wide buzz, and 269 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 6: so I can see why Bryce Young thought, oh, I've 270 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 6: got the intermediate out and up to Ted McMillan. But 271 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 6: what Love did is then he he swiveled his hips, 272 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 6: got back and sunk back underneath and got the interception. 273 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 6: It was a horrible, horrible throw by h Bryce Young. 274 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 6: I mean, wildly inaccurate way behind him, but very you know, 275 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 6: unusual spot to drop to by Love. But then again 276 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 6: that's just you know, Mike McDonald doing things that your unique. 277 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 6: It was literally as if the Seahawks had the wire 278 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 6: tap like they went to it was Watergate. They tapped 279 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 6: the wires and they said, oh okay, and then they 280 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 6: also had a little translation she oh okay. Well that 281 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 6: that translates to be ready for the out and up, Julian, 282 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 6: They're gonna try and run a flood on us into 283 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 6: the boundary and McMillan's gonna be on the out and 284 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 6: up and he says. 285 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 3: Oh, okay, I got it. 286 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 6: Let me sprint to the sideline, debate the young quarterback 287 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 6: into throwing it, but then I'll just swivel my hips, 288 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 6: sink and go pick off the ball. It was that 289 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 6: it was like that degree of just pimping you on 290 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 6: your you know, awareness of the scheme. So this is 291 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 6: just something you frequently see. I went into a lot 292 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 6: of detail. If too much, I apologize, but those are 293 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 6: the type of things that that you know, the nuances 294 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 6: that make for a great defense. 295 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 4: So what is Kyle Shanahan scheming up for Saturday night? 296 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 4: Because he has seen Baker Mayfield rip up this defense, 297 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 4: he has seen Matthew Stafford of the Rams offense rip 298 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 4: up this defense last week, and so it can be done. 299 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: So what is what is part of this defense? Worries 300 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 4: you going into a division championship game and furthermore going 301 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 4: into the playoffs. 302 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 6: Well, he's first got to stop the run. And you 303 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 6: know Christian McCaffrey, I saw his back was a little 304 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 6: banged up, but you got to get into favorable pitch 305 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 6: counts right. It's it's a lot better to play, you 306 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 6: know as a pitcher, to be on the mount at 307 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 6: a O two. So so get him into longer yarded 308 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 6: situations is key. That opens up your playbook defensively. You know, 309 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 6: you know, you don't have to worry about about Purty 310 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 6: scrambling for a first down if you've got him in 311 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 6: a long enough yard situation. Uh So, I think first 312 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 6: and foremost, you're gonna you're gonna see Kyle Seanahan. He's 313 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 6: gonna do a lot of window dressing, a lot of 314 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 6: of motions and shifts, a lot of eye candy to 315 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 6: get you just flat footed. So you're just not gonna 316 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 6: he wants He's gonna want to take away the aggression. 317 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 4: So what you gotta do? What's that he wants you 318 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 4: unsure of where you're about to? 319 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, he just wants you, you know, you know, get 320 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 6: sloppy eyes, you know, like, hey, where'd that fly? 321 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: Sweep? 322 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 6: Go oh, look at these pullers and then they're going 323 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 6: So there's a lot of misdirection. You know, you have 324 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 6: to be patient. You just say, hey, let the magic 325 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 6: show play out. You know, eventually they got to penetrate 326 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 6: the line. Of scrimmage with the football either in the 327 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 6: ground or on the air. But you know, just they're 328 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 6: gonna try and show you a magic show to get 329 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 6: you out of position, get you thinking. And now when 330 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 6: I'm talking about we're talking about fractions of a second. Right, 331 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 6: if you just wait for a second to let it 332 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 6: play out, then then then then you can go hunt 333 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 6: and go a attack. Right, So that that's a portion 334 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 6: of it. He's going to attack guys that buy. You know, 335 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 6: I study every single play of the Seahawks. If I 336 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 6: was attacking Seattle. Uh, you know, I'd want to go 337 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 6: after Josh Job over Devin Witherspoon for sure. As a corner, 338 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 6: I would want to uh to go after Drake Thomas 339 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 6: if I could get some size there and and you know, 340 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 6: maybe some quick you know, I think that he in 341 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 6: space is is uh. If you could somehow motion and 342 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 6: what have you and get a tight end on Drake Thomas, 343 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 6: I would want to do that. Ernest Jones sometimes he's 344 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 6: he's been kind of more of a country a country 345 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 6: zone dropper as opposed to a pattern read what do 346 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 6: I mean by that? He just kind of goes to 347 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 6: a spot and looks at the quarterback, and he's kind 348 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 6: of unaware sometimes when he's been at his worst, he's 349 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 6: been kind of unaware of the pattern reading available. And 350 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 6: you you know, and and I don't. I don't think 351 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 6: he has great movement and reaction to the passing game. 352 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 6: So so if I could try and you know, get 353 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 6: get some fake play action and then and then get 354 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 6: some deep hooks right over the middle, right in between 355 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 6: the numbers, you could probably work on Ernest Jones. I mean, 356 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 6: those are some of the players that I think maybe 357 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 6: even Emon worry. Let let let his athleticism work against him, 358 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 6: where like misdirection, get him going hard one way and 359 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 6: then and then snake, you know, go back the other way. 360 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 6: Uh Uh, take advantage of his confidence and and and 361 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 6: and kind of fool him as a young guy. Kyle Shanahan, 362 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 6: he always looks at guys and say, hey, there's an 363 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 6: opportunity to find pigeons. 364 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, we're gonna take a quick time out. 365 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 4: We're actually gonna not talk about the Seahawks for a segment, 366 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 4: just for one segment. 367 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: We got Brandon Brown joining us. 368 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 4: Uh from the managing editor of Michigan Men Media and 369 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 4: host of Believe Podcast. We're going to talk about Kyle 370 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 4: Whittingham heading to ann Arbornex on ninety three point three 371 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 4: KJRFS is Duke. 372 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: Of Duke Seafood and this hour is brought to you 373 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: by Duke's Seafood. Why don't you make it a Duke's 374 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: Night tonight. Reserve your table today at Dukeseafood dot com. 375 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: Now back to Softy and Dick on Sports Radio ninety 376 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 2: three point three KJRFM. 377 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 4: All right, we're going to take a little breather from 378 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 4: our constant Seahawks talk. And you know, Jackson, I don't 379 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 4: like doing just like one topic on a show, but 380 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 4: when your football team is thirteen and three and you've 381 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 4: got a game against San Francisco on Saturday for the 382 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 4: number one overall seed in the. 383 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: NFC, I make an exception for days like this. 384 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 4: But even then I still have to have a segment 385 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 4: away from the Seahawks. And we're going to talk about 386 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 4: the I think the biggest sports story, biggest non NFL 387 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 4: sports story happening over the last seventy two hours or so, 388 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 4: and that's the hiring of Kyle Whittingham as the head 389 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 4: coach at Michigan. And join us to talk about it 390 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 4: right now at Brandon Brown at BSB, Underscore Wolverine on Twitter. 391 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 4: He's the manager managing editor of Michigan Men Media and 392 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 4: host of the Belief in Michigan podcast. 393 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: Brandon, How you doing doing pretty? 394 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 7: I'm out of these cit team degree whether at Michigan 395 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 7: and down here in Florida for the Bowl game. 396 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm doing just fine. 397 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: There you go. 398 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, very nice, very nice. I see how it worked it. 399 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 4: Let's just a big picture. What has this last month 400 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 4: been like for a Michigan man yourself and a guy 401 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 4: that covers Michigan football. 402 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: This is unprecedented, man. 403 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: It is. 404 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 7: I've done a couple of these calls, and actually I'll 405 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 7: tell you what I what I said before I was 406 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 7: on vacation. You know, the season gets over. We know 407 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 7: Michigan's Bowl assignment. Took a little vacation down to Mexico. 408 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 3: Lay down on a beach chair. Oh, phone blows up. 409 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 7: Sharl Moore's fired, He's arrested. Like what in the world 410 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 7: is happening back in ann Arbor. So yeah, I mean 411 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 7: it was it was a whirlwind. I mean, you know, 412 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 7: whether you like what Sharon Moore did as a head coach, 413 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 7: or not. 414 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 3: Didn't see it playing out that way. 415 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 7: Certainly didn't see the aftermat the fallout of him getting 416 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 7: fired and what happened. So yeah, then you speed into oh, 417 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 7: it's gonna be this guy, it's gonna be that guy. 418 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 3: Nope, nope, And yeah it's been it's been. 419 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 7: All over the map. It's been all over the map. 420 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 7: And now there's there's some answers and things are settling 421 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 7: back down and we got a football game to get 422 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 7: ready for in a couple of days, so things are 423 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 7: feeling a little bit normal after the last three weeks. 424 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 6: Like you said, well, let's drill down on that it's 425 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 6: going to be this guy, it's going to be that guy, 426 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 6: and and just kind of take us through the process. 427 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 6: Where were the signs pointing Originally if Michigan had had 428 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 6: their choice a realistic blue sky, who would have it been, 429 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 6: uh we we hear from afar you know, maybe Kaylin 430 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 6: de bor was a consideration, others and what have you. 431 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 6: But just tell us what you think the sequence was 432 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 6: in terms of who Michigan was targeting and how that 433 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 6: played out. 434 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean Kenny Dillingham from Arizona State and then 435 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 7: Kaylen Debora as you mentioned from Alabama seemed to be 436 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 7: kind of the one A, one B options. But yeah, 437 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 7: you know, I don't I don't know. I mean, it's 438 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 7: not like we're ever going to see athletic director Ward Manuel. 439 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 7: We're not ever going to see his hand written list 440 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 7: that he carried in his pocket. So like, I don't 441 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 7: know if that's exactly what the order looked like. But 442 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 7: you you know, there's smoke, and every insider has their 443 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 7: own sources, and everybody's talking to their own people, and 444 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 7: there's names that get floated for various reasons. Maybe it's 445 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 7: contract negotiations, maybe it's very very serious, and for whatever reason, 446 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 7: it didn't work out with either of. 447 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 3: Those two guys. 448 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 7: There's a lot of people that contend that if if 449 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 7: Kaylen de Bor had lost to oklahom Kaylen de boor 450 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 7: in Alabama had lost to Oklahoma, that he would be 451 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 7: Michigan's coach. 452 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 3: But the timeline, you know. 453 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 7: Didn't work out that way, and they got to win 454 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 7: and now they're still playing. So I say, I'm doing 455 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 7: air quotes. I know you guys can't see me, so 456 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 7: you settle. I guess on Kyle Whittingham, But goodness, man, 457 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 7: I mean it feels pretty darn good even if he 458 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 7: maybe wasn't at the top of the list. 459 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 3: But again, I mean, we're. 460 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 7: Not ever gonna see that sheet of paper, so it's 461 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 7: hard to say exactly where where he might have been 462 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 7: on that list. 463 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 4: Well, what do you think the story was with Witningham 464 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: at Utah, because the timing seems very odd. You know, 465 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 4: he coaches for two decades, he's very successful, and then 466 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 4: he kind of sort us pseudo retires and then two 467 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 4: weeks later he's hired at Michigan. I mean, to me, 468 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 4: it almost sounds like, you know, yes, he could have 469 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 4: been down the list, but it almost seems like he 470 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 4: was a guy that they may have had contact with 471 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 4: in the first place, because it was it was such 472 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 4: a quick turnaround that he goes from you know, pseudo 473 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 4: retiring at Utah to being the head coach in Michigan. 474 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, he shed a little bit of light on that 475 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 7: with it yesterday morning. These days are kind of running 476 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 7: together at this point. But he met with the media 477 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 7: for the first time his introductory press conference down here 478 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 7: in Orlando and talked about that. He said the timing 479 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 7: of it was just a crazy coincidence. He talked about 480 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,239 Speaker 7: how he was stepping down and then within a day 481 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 7: or two the Michigan job opened up, and you know, 482 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 7: he said, there's maybe four or five jobs in the 483 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 7: country that he would have considered, and Michigan was one 484 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 7: of them, and it just kind of went from there. So, yeah, 485 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 7: it is it is a little curious, you know, how 486 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 7: where exactly he might have been on that list and 487 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 7: if he was a high target from the very beginning, 488 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 7: and with the way that it worked out with you know, 489 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 7: Dillingham signing an extension and killing the board getting to win. 490 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 7: Like I said, there's there's uh, there's Kyle Whittingham. But 491 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 7: he might have been at the at the top of 492 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 7: that list all along. Again, it's one of those things 493 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 7: we're probably never going to get the true story on. 494 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, he is the coach. 495 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 7: And he talked about how, yeah, the weirdness of maybe, okay, 496 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 7: he was at Utah for twenty one years and some 497 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 7: people are saying he was pushed out, and some people 498 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 7: were saying, no, he quit on his own terms, and 499 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 7: he you know, it was weird. They was going to 500 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 7: coach in the Bowl game, and then Michigan comes along 501 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 7: and it kind of throws a wrench into everything. But 502 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 7: it sounded like he had already named his coach in waiting. 503 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 7: He actually said he was going to step away last year, 504 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 7: but then the season kind of fell apart and he 505 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 7: didn't want to leave on a note like that. 506 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 3: So he comes back. 507 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 7: They go ten and two, He kind of gets back 508 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 7: to you know, gets back to normal, so to speak, and. 509 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 3: Then steps away. 510 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 7: So it it's yeah, it's it's It's one of those 511 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 7: things where the story probably didn't play out how anybody 512 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 7: thought it was going to, but I think everybody kind 513 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 7: of got what they wanted. 514 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 3: That's kind of what it feels like. 515 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 6: Brandon Brown with us an insider from the University of 516 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 6: Michigan and Brandon Uh When on occasions I bought a 517 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 6: house in my life, you know, I say to my wife, Hey, 518 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 6: there's you know, big checkboxes and little checkboxes, you know, 519 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 6: the little checkboxes of the stuff you want, right, but 520 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 6: then there's a few big checkboxes. You say, okay, that 521 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 6: that's a non negotiable. We have to have that. In 522 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 6: that light, what were the qualities, you know, given the 523 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 6: transgressions in the turmoil that Michigan had experienced, what were 524 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 6: the non negotiables, What were the big checkboxes that Kyle 525 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 6: Whittingham or any other candidate had to check and what 526 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 6: are some of the areas Maybe you say, well, it 527 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 6: would have been nice to have that, but they'd be 528 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 6: willing to go without it. How did that break down 529 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 6: in terms of the values that they had regarding witting him? 530 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you kind of nailed it on the head. 531 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 7: You mentioned those transgressions and the I mean, shoot man, 532 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 7: three to five years of things just happening with Michigan, 533 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 7: whether it was self inflicted or you know, I mean 534 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 7: Harbaugh leaving and then taking a bunch of his coaches 535 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 7: with them, and people thought like he shouldn't have done that. 536 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 7: And then of course there's the science stealing stuff, and 537 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 7: there's guys and suspended, and. 538 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 3: It just was a lot. It was a lot over 539 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 3: the last three to five years, and they just just 540 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: cut that off. Just get rid of that stuff. 541 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 7: No more, no more scandals, no more, you know, no 542 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 7: more blow the. 543 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 3: Belt kind of stuff. 544 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 7: And I mean that's that's Kyle whitting him to a t. 545 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 7: I mean, he's been as squeaky clean as anybody maybe 546 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 7: for and he's been doing it for twenty one years. 547 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 7: He's just a stand up dude, a family dude, does 548 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 7: it the right way. You know, did more with less 549 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 7: most people would say out at Utah with you know, 550 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 7: not being able to recruit like a lot of places can, 551 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 7: and maybe not as much nil involvement here in the 552 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 7: last couple of years, and just just wins a lot 553 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 7: of games. It was always a tough out for anybody, 554 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 7: even if they didn't get to win. So I think 555 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 7: that was probably that was probably. 556 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 3: Priority number one. 557 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 7: Somebody who's going to pass any any kind of backup, 558 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 7: come checking any as deep as you want to dig, 559 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 7: like they're going to come out clean on the other side. 560 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 7: And I think that's Kyle whitting him. And then he 561 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 7: talked about it the pillars that he wants the program 562 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 7: to be built on, and you know, toughness, grit, physicality, 563 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 7: and that's been miss football for a long time. So 564 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 7: he's even though he's not a Midwest guy, he doesn't 565 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 7: have any ties to the program, his philosophy and his 566 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 7: approach feels like it's going to be plug and play. 567 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 7: And I think, you know, Michigan more than a decade ago, 568 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 7: they they went away from that when they made the 569 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 7: big splash Hire with Rich Rodriguez, and it just didn't work. 570 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 7: Like it didn't work from the beginning. The region for 571 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 7: an on board, the style, the scheme, the philosophies, the 572 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 7: types of players that he recruited, it just did. It 573 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 7: was a square, you know, square peg in a round hole, 574 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 7: so to speak. And it doesn't feel like it's going 575 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 7: to be that way with winning him, a lot of 576 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 7: what he does. 577 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 3: Is going to fit right up. 578 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 7: And then I think maybe the one thing though, like 579 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 7: he said, if there's maybe a small box that didn't 580 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 7: get checked, is that he's he's not an offensive or 581 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 7: a or a quarterback guy, right and when you've got 582 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 7: a talent like Bryce Underwood, that's what a lot of 583 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 7: people wanted to see. But there's been some rumblings of 584 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 7: who he might bring for his offensive coordinator. And when 585 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 7: you look at what he's done with his quarterbacks at Utah, 586 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 7: they've been pretty darn good. And so there's a lot 587 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 7: of belief that even though he's a defensive guy through 588 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 7: and through, that he's going to get a lot out 589 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 7: of Bryce Underwood and the offense is going to be 590 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 7: just fine. Even though maybe that was one of those 591 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 7: God We'd love to have an offensive guru to just 592 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 7: come in here and take Bryce to the next level. 593 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 3: So that'll be that'll be interesting to see. 594 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 6: Hey Brandon, as we let you go just a quick 595 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 6: sec because you're on air in Seattle, what can you 596 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 6: tell us about Jed Fish and and we heard a 597 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 6: lot of rumors that he was under consideration. What can 598 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 6: you tell us about his candacy and how how he's 599 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 6: considered by Michigan. 600 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he's considered finding He was actually a 601 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 7: guy that I mentioned right out of the gate. I 602 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 7: mean I've always liked Jeedfish from when he was at Michigan. 603 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 7: He seemed I kind of already said it with with 604 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 7: with winning him, I thought Jed Fish did more with less. 605 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 7: He didn't have the most talented quarterback in the world 606 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,239 Speaker 7: when he was at Michigan, but he got pretty good 607 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 7: numbers out of him. And I think he's done a 608 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 7: phenomenal job at Washington. I mean he kind of took 609 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 7: over a bear cupboard there a little bit in some ways, 610 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 7: having to replace a lot and do some roster turnover. 611 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 3: So I think he's well respected in the Michigan community. 612 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 7: But again, it was one of those things where where 613 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 7: exactly is he on the list? 614 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 3: You know, what exactly are they looking for? 615 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 7: And you know, I don't know exactly if Jedfish was 616 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 7: open to leaving him. Mean, he seems to have a 617 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 7: pretty decent thing going out there, So yeah, you don't know. 618 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 6: If you don't know if he was offered or who 619 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 6: shut who down or what have you in that potential relationship. 620 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 3: I don't believe he was offered. 621 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 7: Word kind of got out when there was probably maybe 622 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 7: six names right out of the gate, and he was 623 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 7: one of them, and then it kind of got whittled 624 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 7: down to two, and then he wasn't one of them. 625 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 7: So I don't think it ever got to the point 626 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 7: where there was an offer made. I'd be shocked if 627 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 7: there wasn't at least some contact made to his camp 628 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 7: or his agent or whoever handles stuff like that. But 629 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 7: it doesn't look like it ever really got off the 630 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 7: ground with him. 631 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 4: No, Brandon, enjoy yourself and Flora and you know, watch 632 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 4: the bowl game and then maybe you can I thinks 633 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 4: can settle down a little bit in the off season 634 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 4: for you. 635 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,479 Speaker 7: Yeah, you guys are You're welcome for Mike McDonald out there, 636 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 7: by the way, You're welcome to that. 637 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: We're appreciate it. 638 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 4: Man at BSB Underscore Wolverin on Twitter, the managing editor 639 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 4: of the Michigan Men, median host to Believe Believe in 640 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 4: Michigan podcast. 641 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit. 642 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 4: We'll stand this Michigan topic for a second and chat 643 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 4: with you about it next on ninety three point three KJIFM. 644 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 8: Welcome to Cracking Game Day, brought to you by Blood Works. 645 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 8: Give blood with Blood Works on Fridays in November and 646 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 8: get a cup of Iverse clam chowder available at donation 647 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 8: locations between Everett and Tacoma. 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Yeah, Kracking going for five in 650 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 8: a row. 651 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 4: Seven o'clock face off, we'll talk to Everett Fitzhugh, the 652 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 4: voice of the Kraken coming up at six fifteen, but 653 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 4: talking football with Hugh until then, we'll get back to 654 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 4: the Seahawks topic of conversation and at the top of 655 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 4: the hour at six o'clock. 656 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 3: But just had. 657 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 4: Brandon Brown of Michigan on Hugh and you know, some 658 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 4: interesting thoughts there and you know, pulling it back to 659 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 4: a Washington perspective. There were two questions that were going 660 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 4: through my mind through this whole Michigan situation and whether 661 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 4: Jedish was going to leave or not. And the first 662 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 4: question was is it a good I knew for a 663 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 4: fact that Jedfish staying here for twenty twenty six was 664 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 4: a good thing because I think he has got a 665 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 4: potentially loaded team in twenty twenty six. But Jedfish here 666 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 4: for the long run? Is that a good thing? I 667 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 4: don't know. I can't answer that. It's tough for me 668 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 4: to answer that question. And then the second question I 669 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 4: had was are we being fair to Jedfish for constantly 670 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 4: assuming that he is leaving. 671 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: We're basically doing it. 672 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 4: We are judging a book by its cover, We're judging 673 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 4: it on his past moving up the ladder in college football, 674 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 4: and we're just assuming that he is just racing to 675 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 4: get out of Seattle as fast as he possibly can. 676 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 4: So maybe let's let's start with the first question. Is 677 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 4: it good in the long run that Jedfish stays. 678 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: Here as coach of Michigan? 679 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 6: In your opinion, thanks Jerry's I think that he's kind 680 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 6: of been par based on where you're at. But I 681 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 6: think that there was such a discrepancy between his the 682 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 6: performance against good teams versus poor teams that they I mean, 683 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 6: as we've talked about, it's the number one drop in 684 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 6: all of power for schools in terms of the offense 685 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 6: of whether it's EPA, whether it's yards, whether it's points. 686 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 6: There's the number one drop in all of Power four 687 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 6: between how you perform against the top twenty five defenses 688 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 6: versus how you perform against the bottom twenty five. 689 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 4: And that's more than just the quarterback performance. That's the 690 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 4: offense as an offense. It's offense. And you can you 691 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 4: can either do it for Jed Fish and say how's 692 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 4: the offense diminish, and then you'll say the Washington offense 693 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 4: had the biggest drop. By the way, that five wins 694 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 4: were not just in the bottom twenty five, there were 695 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 4: the bottom twenty out of sixty seven in Power four. 696 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 4: So all of the and so the statistics that you 697 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 4: amass against non conference, the UC Davis's and the and 698 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 4: the Colorado States and the Washington States, and then the 699 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 4: five wins that she had in the big ten that 700 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 4: were in the bottom twenty defenses versus Okay, how did 701 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 4: you perform against the in your four losses, which were 702 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 4: in the top twenty five in defense, that's the biggest 703 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 4: drop so to me, like we said after the Sun Bowl, well, 704 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 4: Demand's going to have a huge step forward. Well, Deman 705 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 4: didn't have a single game this year that was as 706 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 4: good or better than what he had in the Sun 707 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 4: Bowl last year. So just assuming because the calendar marches 708 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 4: along that he's going to get better. I don't see 709 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 4: that the schedule is a lot easier this year. 710 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 3: I mean, you played. 711 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 6: Press as a quarterback since last year. I don't think 712 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 6: you progressed from the Sun Bowl. No, not based on 713 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 6: what we saw, No, because everything's front loaded into how 714 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 6: he performed against the poor teams. Right, if you're okay 715 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 6: with Washington having four losses, then okay, then let's have 716 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 6: a different discussion. But if that's not the standard, then 717 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 6: I would say the drop off in performance against the 718 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 6: four teams that were in the top twenty five, they 719 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 6: see there was a hole in there was no middle 720 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 6: class in their opposition. They were all either in the 721 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 6: top twenty five or in the bottom twenty. So they 722 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 6: had four losses against top twenty five and they had 723 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 6: five wins against bottom twenty interesting. So so whether it's 724 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 6: the quarterback or whether it's the offense, and you can 725 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 6: make the argument right there and back it with those facts. 726 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 6: The biggest drop statistically in all of power for so 727 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 6: to me, the jury's out because you don't want to 728 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 6: know why. Because he's the offensive coordinator, right, He's the 729 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 6: play calling, and so when I see things in the offense, 730 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 6: I'm like, whoa, that's a red flag. That's a red flag. 731 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 6: That's a red flag. I'm like, who's going to tell 732 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 6: him it's a red flag? Is he going to learn? Right? 733 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 6: And so you know, like very poor play design and 734 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 6: play calling in the red zone against Ohio State. Uh, 735 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 6: you know, Demond Williams had had twenty yards of scramble yards. 736 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 6: So Demon Williams just being twitchy isn't going to work 737 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 6: against the best defenses. You actually have to function as 738 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 6: a passer and you got to uh you got to 739 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 6: have the details tight or tight. I mean, you get 740 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 6: an interception in the against Oregon first quarter interception, you 741 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 6: get down Zel Boston, I'm lined up against a linebacker. 742 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 6: So okay, well that said work. That's cool. But you 743 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 6: have the the formation and and the the alignment where 744 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 6: Boston line was too close to the middle of the 745 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 6: field for him to be running a wheel rot so 746 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 6: all the angles break down and you say, well, you 747 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 6: could have Pooka Nikoua in the slot. He's not gonna 748 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 6: beat a linebacker with that that alignment, right, and and 749 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 6: so so you know it's like, well, how's that gonna 750 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 6: get fixed. Who's gonna tell him to fix it? Is 751 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 6: it gonna? Is it gonna occur to him? And so 752 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 6: I look, can I say the jury is out? Because 753 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 6: if we keep doing the same making the same mistakes, 754 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 6: and the quarterbacks, you know, set in camp at ten 755 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 6: and a half yards from the line of scrimmage and 756 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 6: the balls in the air that long and everybody can 757 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 6: react to the ball and you're not getting run after 758 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 6: the cats because of the spot of the quarterback. All 759 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 6: these details. That's how you beat good teams is you 760 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 6: fine tune the details, and the details are off too 761 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 6: often and it's revealed against the better teams, the better athletes. 762 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 6: And so I don't know how I mean, for me, 763 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 6: it's like clear the jury's out.