1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's radio. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 2: We're talking about a proposal here in Massachusetts which would 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: reduce the state income tax from five percent to four percent. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: Last hour, we had Chris Kohane with us, who is 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: with a group called Taxpayers for an Affordable Massachusetts. Their 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: website is Affordablema dot com. We had some interesting callers. 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: We've held one over. I'm going to get to Paul 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: in a moment. Gene, I think is correct. I misunderstood 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: what she was saying. My fault that there are no 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: state taxes on your Social Security benefits. You do pay 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: federal taxes. She believes that because she is not and 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: I have no idea how her income works out. She's 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: more focused on state income taxes. But I think that 14 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: is the that is a losing strategy, because you could say, well, well, 15 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: I'm more concerned about gas taxes or whatever, and there 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 2: will always be the divide and conquer mechanism that use. 17 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: My feeling is if you can get one tax reduced, 18 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: it will force government to be a little more responsive 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: and tighten up a little bit. Now, again, I don't 20 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: think that there's a lot of people out there who 21 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: are invested because either they work for the state or 22 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: they work for programs that are funded by the state, 23 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: who are going to be opposed to this? Let me 24 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: go back to paul and Monson. Paulie, I felt I 25 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: was rushing you at the end there. I want to 26 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: be fair to you. You mentioned that there were a 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: lot of programs that people don't even think of that 28 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: they benefit from, which I'm sure is true. I don't 29 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: know if there's any that we don't think of, but 30 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: you obviously you're still there, Paul, I'm not sure if 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: I'm good. Radky wasn't sure I was hearing something. I 32 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: was wondering if you were hammering up anyway. Point that 33 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: I'm trying to make is that I understand that you 34 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: might be opposed to this, but if you look at 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: the size of the Massachusetts state budget, and I don't 36 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: have all the figures in front of me, but and 37 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: I will attempt to get them, if not tonight tomorrow night. 38 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: State budgets have risen in Massachusetts a lot over the years, 39 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: and there's a lot of fat in state budgets. And 40 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: according to Chris Cohan, I asked him, you know what 41 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: would happen to the money that would would not be 42 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: generated by a cut in the state income taxes. And 43 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: he feels that within a matter of a couple of 44 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: years that the money that will be put in people's 45 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: pockets like you and me will get back into the 46 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: we get back in the economy and and and we 47 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: will actually have it will generate more more money. But 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: again that's his theory, that's his belief. You're happy with 49 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: what you pay in taxes, I assume, because if you 50 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: weren't happy, you'd probably support the idea of cutting the taxes. 51 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: You're happy at five percent? 52 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. And today I'll just go back 53 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: to what you were saying. So the ready, Gay frins 54 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: about eight billion? What's the what's the sixty something is 55 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: the regular annual budget, the budget. 56 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: With the budget right now for this year. Let me 57 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 2: see if I get it here. The budget for fiscal 58 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: twenty six was sixty point nine billion dollars with supplemental spending. 59 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: The actual spend got up to sixty four billion dollars. 60 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: Okay uh. And then the proposed budget for this coming 61 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: fiscal year, which starts on July first, is sixty two 62 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: point eight billion dollars. So it always goes up. Okay, 63 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: and and and there's more and more programs we've seen. 64 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: There's a lot of waste, there's a lot of money. 65 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: We had eight billion dollars in a rainy day fund. 66 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: Normally the rainy day fund has been much smaller than that. 67 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: It's great that we have that, Okay, but we're not 68 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: a state that is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, 69 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. So go ahead, if you're happy 70 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: with paying the taxes, and I'm not going to ask 71 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: you how much you pay. It's that's that's between you 72 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 2: and the and the call multi Massachusett. I think a 73 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 2: lot of people feel they're overtaxed, and. 74 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: Go ahead, No, my wife doesn't. My wife does our taxes. 75 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: I mean my I as a truck driver, I'm. 76 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 4: I'm I'm grossing about seventy one thousand dollars. 77 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 3: A year and I'm probably I don't know, I'm paying 78 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: somewhere in the neighborhood of three to five thousand to 79 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: the state every year. 80 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 4: But I just want to try and sort of like 81 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 4: reorient people's thinking on this again, you know, going a 82 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 4: back back to what Genu was saying, I'm not opposed 83 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 4: to looking for a waste. I understand this waste is corruption. 84 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 4: But Eric interesting statistic recently that if you make five 85 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 4: million dollars a year, get closer to the people who 86 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 4: have nothing and who are or who are. 87 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: Homeless, then then you are to the handful of people 88 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: who control ninety percent of the wealth in this country. 89 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: It's a tiny, tiny number of people. And I'm not 90 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: opposed to being wealthy, you know, I'm I'm gonna observant you. 91 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 3: There's you know, capitalism is in the is, in the tora, 92 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: is in the Hebrew Bible. You know, I work my 93 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: kailoffs and I'm happy to and I'm i'm and I'm 94 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 3: happy to do it. 95 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 5: But well, we we just we just passed. 96 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: We just passed, Paul, I'm sure you know a millionaires tax. 97 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 2: So people who make over a million dollars, if they 98 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 2: make two million dollars, they paying five percent, as everybody 99 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: does up until a million, and then once they go 100 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: over a million, on that additional money, they're paying nine percent. 101 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 3: So they can comment on that, I think, I actually 102 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: think I think it should have been I think it 103 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: maybe I think a million dollars is a little too low. 104 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: I think that, and it is a great thing if 105 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 3: people don't realize there's an enamous amount of money that's 106 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 3: been the revenue that's been generated. 107 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: So you would actually like So it sounds to me 108 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: like what you're saying, Paul, and I don't mean to interrupt, 109 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: but I want to try to get the other callers. Well, 110 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: it sounds to me like what you're saying is you 111 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 2: think that actually, people who maybe are making over one 112 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: hundred or one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, they should 113 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: be paying more than five percent. They should be paying 114 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: maybe the nine percent. They should be treated like millionaires. 115 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: That's what I think you're trying to say. 116 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 4: Is a threshold should be high. I think that I 117 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 4: think the threshold should be higher, not on that, not 118 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 4: on incomes that low. It seems like that's a lot 119 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 4: of a lot. 120 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: Of money, but it really it really isn't. 121 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: Well okay, where would you put? Where would you put? 122 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: Just tell me, Paul, just let's deal with reality here. Okay, 123 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: if I asked you what question? No, But I'm saying 124 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: what I'm trying to understand is you can go on 125 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: and tell me you know everything the religiously, it doesn't 126 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: matter to me. Uh, you know, you're probably a very 127 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: good person, and I you don't have to convince me 128 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: of That is just the difference of opinion. So where 129 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: should the millionaires tax, meaning the nine percent kick in 130 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: in your perfect world here in Massachusetts, you think a 131 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: million is too high? Where w do you want people 132 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: to start to pay nine percent as opposed to five percent? 133 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not an expert on these things. It just 134 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: seems like a million. You know, a million dollars is 135 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: not as much as people as people think it is. 136 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: It seems like a little low. But I'm not a 137 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: post to the millionaire tack. 138 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: Just hold on you way say, I know you're not 139 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: opposed to the millionaires tax, Paul, but what you have 140 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: implied is the you would like to hit people who 141 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: are making less than a million dollars a little harder. 142 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: And that's why people are believe in Massachusetts. 143 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: The opposite, the opposite. I think. 144 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 6: I think the million dollars the threshold is at is 145 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 6: a little low. That millionaire, that that wealthy, that tax 146 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 6: on the wealthy, I think maybe should have been kicked 147 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 6: in it like a million and a half or something. 148 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: But that's not this point. That's not the point I 149 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: want to make. People need to remember, like the I 150 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: know this, it's like you you know, there's there's fuel 151 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: taxes and. 152 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 4: Pulls it that from the doot and other things, but 153 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 4: the snow doesn't get plowed by itself. 154 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 3: The bridge projects, the huge reconstructions. 155 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 4: At one ninety five, and and and the and the pike, 156 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 4: and the Pike in four ninety five, and things like 157 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 4: the Department of Conservation and Recreation where we actually have places, 158 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 4: beautiful places all over all over the Commonwealth where where 159 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 4: people can people can. 160 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 3: Go and and and and and and enjoy themselves. The 161 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: other and thank you. The other point I want to 162 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 3: make quickly comment on. 163 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: That, but before you go to the other point. So therefore, 164 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: what you're saying to me, Paul, very clearly is you 165 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: think we need to have a budget that's bigger than 166 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: sixty four billion dollars because you want the roads to 167 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: be even more pristine than they are. We spend more 168 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: money on roads in Massachusetts. We spend three times as 169 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: much in Massachusetts for a mile of road as they 170 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: do in New Hampshire. You're a truck driver, you should 171 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: know that. Why are we spend here? Why are we 172 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: spending three times to maintain a mile of road in 173 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: Massachusetts than they do in New Hampshire. 174 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 7: It's messing, Denny. It's messing Dan. I can't I can't 175 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 7: speak to all of it. The roads are great, the 176 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 7: secondary roads are great New Hampshire, and in New York 177 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 7: they do a much better job. Clear in the snow. 178 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 7: The point the point, it's. 179 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: Good, make your fund. You may make your second point, 180 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: trying not change rap. 181 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 8: Go ahead, no thanks. 182 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 4: The other point I want to make is that this. 183 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 9: Whole thing with ballid questions is just too much, I 184 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 9: honestly think, and this is never gonna happen. I'd like 185 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 9: to see the state Constitution amended to do way with 186 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 9: ballid questions. I can see maybe three four five at 187 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 9: the most. We have twelve ballid questions. 188 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: Oh, it's much too much. It's much too much. Let's 189 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: leave it. Let us leave it in the hands of 190 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 2: the great in general Court, because they're they're functioning in 191 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: our interests. I don't want to have to worry about 192 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: voting on twelve ballid questions. I'm going to root for 193 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: the Patriots on Sunday, something that's really important to me. 194 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to concentrate or focus on something like 195 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: ballad questions. I mean, that's silly. 196 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: Come on, that's not what I'm saying. 197 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: That's exactly what you said, Paul. I got to run. 198 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: I gave you three minutes before, and I've given you 199 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: nine now, and you're killing my audience. So thank you 200 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: for the call. Bye, see you bye. We'll take a 201 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: break six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. As 202 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: long as there are palls in Massachusetts, there will never 203 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 2: be a reform that brings this state into line. Let's 204 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: keep spending more money on maintaining roads in Massachusetts than 205 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 2: they do in the surrounding states, because frankly, it's only 206 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: your money. I don't care how much money I spend 207 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: in taxes. I want them to take more money from 208 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: me because the and I don't want to have to 209 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: vote on any ballot questions because at that point I 210 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: might have to actually think about what I'm voting for. 211 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: All I want to be able to do is go 212 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: in and vote for whoever the incumbent politicians, whoever the 213 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 2: elected politicians are. We're doing so great in Massachusetts. I 214 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: just want to go in. I wish I could just 215 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: cast one vote and say change nothing. Keep raising the 216 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: budget in Massachusetts, keep raising my taxes. I'm fat, happy 217 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: and contented and dumb. Is a dumbbell six one seven, two, five, 218 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 219 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: I do not understand. I do not understand where Paul 220 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: was coming from. I really don't understand it. And I 221 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: could have talked with him for an hour. I'd like 222 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 2: to talk with you. If you think that we're doing 223 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: so great in Massachusetts, feel free to bring it on. 224 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: We're not people leaving Massachusetts. Young people are leaving Massachusetts. 225 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: People can't afford houses in Massachusetts. We got major problems 226 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. We got a sixty four billion dollar state 227 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: budget in Massachusetts, and not so long ago it was 228 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: like twenty billion or twenty five billion dollars. We've doubled 229 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: it in relatively recent times. And guess what, we are 230 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 2: in big trouble in Massachusetts. And as long as we 231 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: leave that in the hands of the politicians, and we 232 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: never vote any of them out of office because they're 233 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: doing such great work, think about it. People, Wake up Massachusetts, 234 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: Wake up, Paul. I'm sure that if we were next 235 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: door neighbors, we would be best buds. But man, we 236 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: just see the world really differently. And if if I 237 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: was rough on Paul, I apologize to Paul. I just 238 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: I'm telling you we need initiative petitions. Dieane Dezaglio. She 239 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 2: got the initiative petition passed which said that the state 240 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: uditors should be able to audit the state legislature. The 241 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: seventy two percent of the people voted for that, and 242 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: the legislature Marianno, the speaker and spoke of the Senate President, 243 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 2: basically did one of these to all of you voters 244 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: who voted for it. They thumbed their nose at you 245 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: and said, no, even though that's now the law, we 246 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: are going to ignore, and the Attorney General, whose budget 247 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: we take care of, will help us ignore it. That's 248 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: how it works in Massachusetts, everybody. And as long as 249 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: good people like Paul think that things are going just 250 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: great and doesn't want to be concerned with ballot questions, 251 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: it's gonna keep going that way. Six one seven, two, five, 252 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine thirty. Feel free 253 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: to give me a call, and if you disagree with me, 254 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: we can have a conversation like I tried to have 255 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: with Paul. All I wanted to know was what he 256 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: was saying. That's all coming back on Nightside. 257 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ, 258 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 259 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: Okay, Bab, We're go gonna go to Ransom in Midford. Hey, Ransom, 260 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: how are you tonight? Welcome? 261 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 10: Pretty good? 262 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 5: How are you tonight? 263 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: A little wound up, but I'm okay, go right ahead, sir. Well. 264 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 5: The first point I wanted to make is that I 265 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 5: used to live in Canada, and we they do up there. 266 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 5: They do the opposite. They create a budget and then 267 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 5: they tax the citizens. And the other thing I. 268 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: Rent, So I missed the last line. They create a 269 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: budget and then what do they do. 270 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 5: Tax the citizens? They don't tax them and see what 271 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 5: they can get and make a budget. Okay, they get 272 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 5: the they make the budget first and then say this 273 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 5: is what we need. 274 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: Okay. Interesting. 275 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 5: The other thing. The other thing is we've got marijuana 276 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 5: money coming in. We've got the casino, we've got sports betting. 277 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: I think, yes we do. 278 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 5: We'll get all kinds of income coming in in the 279 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 5: last few years. 280 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: Yes we do. 281 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 5: They're making three fifty a pack on cigarettes, so they've 282 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 5: got plenty of money to offset any They should give 283 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 5: everybody a break and people shouldn't ask what's in it 284 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 5: for me about their social security? They should just say 285 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 5: a bite of an elephant one other time. 286 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I said. Yeah, so, you know. 287 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 5: The the other thing with the highways. I live right 288 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 5: here in Medford, north of Boston, ninety three north and 289 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 5: south from from ninety five down to Boston, you couldn't 290 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 5: use the road. I had to drive in the left 291 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 5: lane because the road's falling apart. They wait till it's 292 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 5: falling apart before they fix it. Massachusetts has the worst 293 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 5: roads in the country pretty much. And where's all the 294 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 5: money going. All the cops are sitting up there making 295 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 5: sixty bucks an hour doing detail work, and I'm sure 296 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 5: all the workers are unionizing, making good money, a lot 297 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 5: more than New Hampshire. It's a whole different you know. 298 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 5: They pay those people a lot less. I'm sure up 299 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 5: in New Hampshire. 300 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: In Maine, Yeah, that's no, No, you're right on that. 301 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: That is a factor. There's no no question about that. 302 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: But I just think it's out of control. I mean, 303 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: we had we have eight billion dollars, you know, we 304 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: have eight billion dollars in a rainy day fond. 305 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, so they've got money, they've got they've got money 306 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 5: coming in that they didn't have a few years ago, 307 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 5: So why not brought it down a percentage and how 308 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 5: you deal with it. 309 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: That's that is my thought on it. But again, I 310 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: think that there are people who don't see it the 311 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 2: same way as you and I see it. And I 312 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, one of the calls last hour 313 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: was basically trying to say, look, not only are we 314 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: losing people out of the state, you know what else 315 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: we're losing. We're losing kids in schools. You know, Boston, 316 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: I think, is going to lay off a whole bunch 317 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: of teachers this week, or at least temporarily lay them off, 318 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 2: because the student population has gone down in the Boston 319 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 2: public schools while the budget in the Boston public schools 320 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: has gone up, up and up. 321 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 5: I mean, I used to work on the school buses 322 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 5: for the city of Boston. I can only imagine. I 323 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 5: can only begin to tell you about all that. Yeah, yeah, 324 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 5: oh my god. 325 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: Well that's that's what's going That's what's going on. You 326 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 2: and I see this. I'm looking at the budget that 327 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: Paul Salution submitted it was twenty billion dollars for fiscal 328 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine. Twenty billion dollars. Okay, that means we 329 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: have tripled the budget in Massachusetts in twenty years. We've 330 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: gone from twenty billion to sixty four billion in twenty well, 331 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: twenty five years. Yeah, if we triple it in the 332 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: next twenty five years, the budget will be close to 333 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: two hundred million dollars. Two hundred billion dollars. I mean, 334 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: it's it. 335 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 5: Just maybe we could have the dogs crew come in 336 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 5: Elon must scindots can come in straighten out Massachusetts. 337 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: That's a possibility. But they kind of threw up their 338 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 2: hands and walked away from it in Washington. I don't 339 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 2: know how good a job they did and how much 340 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: of that was hype either. Hey Ransom, I love your call, man. 341 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. You brought me back to reality. Thank 342 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 2: you very much. 343 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 5: I was just about to let you go so you 344 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 5: can get another call over there. 345 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, sir, call more off and you your 346 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 2: reasonable guy. I appreciate it very much. Appreciate it. 347 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 5: Right, have a great night, all right. 348 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 2: Good night six one, seven, two, five, four to ten 349 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: thirty six one, seven, nine, one, ten, thirty. I got 350 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: to be honest with you. Okay, I'm going to be 351 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 2: really honest with you, and probably some of you are 352 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 2: going to be upset with me. I'm going to be 353 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: as excited about the super Bowl on Sunday as anybody 354 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. Okay. I'm going to be really happy about 355 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 2: the super Bowl, and if the Patriots win, I'm going 356 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 2: to be thrilled. Okay, but that to me is going 357 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: to mean nothing. It doesn't impact me in any way, 358 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 2: shape or form. I don't play for the Patriots. I 359 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 2: don't have any family member the plays for the Patriots. 360 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: I'm not a stockholder of the Patriots. I you know, 361 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: I enjoy sports, and nobody enjoyed sports better than me. 362 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: But I'm not going to be running around in the 363 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: streets out there. You know. I work for a living 364 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 2: and I put a talk show on it, and I 365 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: try to make all of you understand that whatever you do, 366 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 2: you pay some taxes, there are some costs involved. You 367 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 2: need to get your kids educated, you need to make sure, 368 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: you need to take care of your family. There are 369 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: real responsibilities we all have. Okay. Now, there are a 370 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: lot of us who end up really falling off the wagon, 371 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: and we and there needs to be programs to help 372 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: those people get back of the straight and narrow. But 373 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 2: I wished that all of the thought and the enthusiasm 374 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: that will be directed towards the New England Patriots in 375 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: the next few days, just if like two percent of 376 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: that was people thought about, well, what are we paying 377 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: in taxes? Am I paying more or less? What am 378 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: I getting in those services? How much of a of 379 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: a but what's the state budget that we're all we're 380 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: all stockholders in the state, whether you realize it or not, 381 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: because if you pay taxes, you're a stockholder. Are we 382 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: getting in return for what we're what we're paying? And 383 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: and I just think that that too many of us. 384 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 2: They used in Rome, they called it bread and circus. 385 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: I think most of you know what I mean. Enjoy 386 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: the Patriots. Let's hope the Patriots win. But at the 387 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: end of the day, whether the Patriots win or new 388 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 2: or not, whether they're in the Super Bowl or not, 389 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter to your life or to my life. 390 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 2: When you think about it. It's it's fun and I'll 391 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 2: watch the game and we'll have some friends over and 392 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: we'll have a great time. Love it, love it. But 393 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: this is what is important in life, so as well 394 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: as your family. I mean, that's what's most important. H 395 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to get too serious here, but if 396 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 2: you think that the politicians in Massachusetts are doing just 397 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: a bang up job, please vote them all back in. 398 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: If you have some concerns, join our conversation six one, seven, two, five, 399 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: four to ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one 400 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 2: ten thirty. Coming right back on Nightside. 401 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Boston's news radio. 402 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: Back we go. Let me go to Brian in Florida. Brian, 403 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: welcome to Nightside. How are you sir? 404 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 11: Hey, damn, I'm doing great. How are you doing tonight? 405 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: I'm a little frustrated to be honest with you, but 406 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: you go right ahead. 407 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 11: Well, I tell you I'm conflicted because I'm coming back 408 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 11: from a Florida Panthers that just beat the Bruins game 409 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 11: and driving home over Alligator Alley listening to Paul talk 410 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 11: about how he doesn't want to lower taxes and it's 411 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 11: it's the reason we left. We left Massachusetts three years ago, 412 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 11: the millionaires and the whole They raised the sales tax 413 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 11: one and a quarter percent, and they say it's only 414 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 11: one and a quarter percent when it's actually twenty five 415 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 11: percent to five percent. It's the whole mentality of tax 416 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 11: the heck out of anybody until they give up. And 417 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 11: quite frankly, we gave up. And I've been listening. I've 418 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 11: been waking up with Dave Mayne and going to bed 419 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 11: with with christ Paul Sullivan long so forever. I'm born 420 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 11: and raised in Massachusetts. Couldn't wait to get out, and 421 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 11: it's it's too bad because I'm trying to convince my 422 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 11: kids to leave and I'm only fifty seven. 423 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: Wow, wow, boy, I'll tell you. Are you able to 424 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: work from home down there? Did you relocate and find it? 425 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: Find good work in Florida? 426 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 11: Took my business with me and moved it down here, 427 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 11: operate it down here and putter around. I'm out on 428 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 11: my boat. I work from my phone. On my boat. 429 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 11: I can do whatever I want. It's seventy two degrees 430 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 11: right now, and I don't miss the snow. I don't 431 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 11: miss the taxes. I have a governor down here looking 432 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 11: to get rid of real estate taxes. That's how progressive 433 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 11: we are, you know. It's the forward thinking that and 434 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 11: we have a hell of a lot more roads down 435 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 11: here than Massachusetts does. And there's not a punthole. Granted 436 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 11: we don't have the frost, but we don't Our bridges 437 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 11: are built and rebuilt in record time. It's remarkable the people. 438 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 11: If you just left the confines of Massachusetts and see 439 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 11: how it's done. I've done a lot of work in 440 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 11: New Hampshire and you're absolutely right. A mile of road 441 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 11: in New Hampshire costs a third of what it cost 442 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 11: in Massachusetts to maintain. 443 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and the. 444 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 11: Mentality of tax the heck out of everybody is crazy. 445 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: The problem that I have with some of the callers 446 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: is they don't understand that. And you know, as they say, 447 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: you're a sports fan, I'm sure. I was watching the 448 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: Bruins game out of the court of my eye and 449 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: I saw they came back. They were down four two, 450 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: and they had a nice little couple of goals that 451 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 2: tied the game, so they got a point out of it, 452 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 2: and they lost in the shootout. You know, I'm a 453 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 2: sports guy, but if the Patriots win, it does nothing 454 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 2: for me. Okay, I'm not a member of the Patriots. 455 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: I love the people who who walk around and they 456 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: got the shirts on and you know, we won. We 457 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 2: want know the patriots, you didn't. You know, It's like. 458 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 11: Massachusetts will be so much better when they get gambling, 459 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 11: when they get marijuana and they get to see But 460 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 11: you get all that and you're still going to sixty 461 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 11: billion dollar budget and you pretend that that money didn't 462 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 11: go anywhere. Where's it going. It's going into the coffers 463 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 11: of politicians, into the towns, into the states. And every 464 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 11: time they want to get a vice passed, they say 465 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 11: it's going to be it's gonna settle so many scores. 466 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 11: It comes in and the money and they're still raising money. 467 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 11: I mean, didn't we have a home rule petition to 468 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 11: reduce the the sales tax back down to five percent 469 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 11: or put that on there. And and for Paul to 470 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 11: want to get rid of home rule petition, why don't 471 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 11: you just tear up the Massachusetts constitution. 472 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: Well that's it, because the one thing that's great about 473 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 2: Massachusetts is you can actually have an impact if you 474 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: want to take time. But if it's too much of 475 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: a burden for you to think about, uh, you know, 476 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 2: political issues or economic issues, and don't you know, stay 477 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,719 Speaker 2: in your own little bulb there. Get in that snow 478 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: bulb that you have or whatever, and uh and just 479 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: think about the patriots, the ritz X or whatever or 480 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 2: whatever whatever you churn your on. Maybe it's music, just 481 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: you know, put that headset on and sit in your 482 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: room or whatever. But that's not what we're That's not 483 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: what people fought and died for in wars. It's not 484 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: what what people you know, gave up their lives and 485 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: and potentially the liberty when we broke away from the Brits. 486 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: I don't think people understand that. They're not taught that 487 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: in school anymore. And I don't want to get into 488 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: some sort of like patriotic thing here. We got going 489 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: which is a great country and we have a great state, 490 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 2: but it's out of control. 491 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 11: It's it is, and it's there's no checks and balances. 492 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 11: You got a one. You know, you mentioned Salucci, one 493 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 11: of the best governor as well, was off the rails. 494 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,479 Speaker 11: But Salucci was great. But back then you had you 495 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 11: had Republican treasurer. You had people that would hold checks 496 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 11: and balances, so when you actually voted for an audit, 497 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 11: you'd get an audit, not what you get now. 498 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 2: That's a scam. What's going on now? Diana Jizuglio is 499 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: one of one of my personal heroes. She's a Democrat. 500 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: The Democratic Party or the leadership of the Democratic Party 501 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: is saying to her, look, you better get line or 502 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: but guess what, she could be the governor in four 503 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: years if she plays her cards right. She should run 504 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 2: as an independent because. 505 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 11: You know, yeah, you got to keep pushing. And Paul 506 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 11: should understand he can pay more in taxes. It's voluntary. 507 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 11: He can pay twice as much as he can pay 508 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 11: ten percent if he wants. Oh sure, nothing keeping you 509 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 11: from paying more taxes. The government would love you if 510 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 11: you would. 511 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 2: Do that, no question. Hey, Brian, is ther first time calling? 512 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 8: It is? 513 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 11: I was telling my wife and listen as a talk 514 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 11: radios and Dave Maynard would wake you up at six 515 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 11: o'clock with the revelry. And now it's fifty you know, 516 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 11: forty years later or whatever it is. I was just 517 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 11: so intensitting here. On the ride back on Alligaery to Ally, 518 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 11: I said, I said to my wife, I have to call. 519 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 2: She said, to the first of all, thank you. Okay. 520 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: I had another transplant named Matt who couldn't wait long enough. 521 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 2: I had him on the line before, I'm sure he 522 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: would have reflected very much of what you said. But 523 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: I've been doing this show now, I'm in year nineteen. Okay, 524 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: So I appreciate getting you finally to call me. I'm 525 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 2: delighted and I hope you'll continue to call. I really do. 526 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 11: I listen online and I will call again. 527 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you so much, and don't break down an 528 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: alligator rally. There were you. 529 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 5: Right along? 530 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: Thanks? Thanks, thanks Bribe be well, all right, let's keep 531 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: her roll in here. I loved that call. That call 532 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 2: made it worth it for me tonight to do this show. 533 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: My blood pressure just substantially went down. Bernie in New Hampshire, Bernie, welcome, 534 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: How are you. 535 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 8: I'm doing well, Daniel, so well. 536 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: My blood pressure is now a little better since Brian 537 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 2: called in. I thought I was losing my mind. 538 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 539 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I'm a transplant. 540 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 12: As you well know. 541 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 8: I still work in mass so I have the pleasure 542 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 8: of paying state tax, yeah, without any representation. 543 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 13: And it kind of hurts me because you know, I 544 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 13: get it. 545 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 8: The politicians on Beacon. Hell, I understand what you're saying. 546 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 8: I agree with you one hundred percent, but you know, 547 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 8: Who's really to blame your vote? 548 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: The voters. 549 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 13: The voters have the right to change that, and. 550 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 8: You know what, they keep voting the same people in 551 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 8: dan Who do you blame, Well. 552 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 2: I blame the voters. You know. I've been around the 553 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: politicians in Massachusetts for a long time, and by the way, 554 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: I haven't I had more friends who were Democratic elected 555 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: officials than probably Republicans. I think most of the people 556 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: who go in there go in there for the right reason. 557 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: But once you get in there, you kind of got 558 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,479 Speaker 2: to go along to get along, if you know what 559 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I talk about most of the people 560 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: who are state reps, and there are some exceptions. Dave 561 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 2: Dacost called Last Hour, and I've said this on the 562 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: show before. You know, when it comes election time, they 563 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: show up at the diners on Saturday mornings, they walk 564 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 2: through the diners, they pat everybody in the back and 565 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: it's like, hey, hey, Ohia and your wife and family 566 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: looking good, looking good every day about them Red Sox. 567 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 2: They may do it this year. And then that guy 568 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 2: goes home and sees his wife. It says, you'll know 569 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: who who talked to me today represented a Kuama four 570 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 2: We talked about the Red Sox a little bit. He's 571 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: a hell of a guy. I'm gonna vote for him. 572 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: But that's how you get re elected in Massachusetts. 573 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 8: No, I understand that, Dan. The only thing is you 574 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 8: say it all the time. Massachusetts taxes two. 575 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 13: Things, things that movement, things. 576 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: That do ob It's right, it's the only two things 577 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 2: they tax. 578 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 8: Yeah, And the problem with that is eventually you want 579 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 8: not of the people's money. And you know what, I'm 580 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 8: a guy who's worked very hot, very hot for what 581 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 8: I have and I have and it was a pleasure 582 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 8: doing it. I'll leave me when I tell you, I 583 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 8: don't know if you understand what I'm saying. 584 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: I totally understand. 585 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 8: Comes my wife two things. When I asked her to 586 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 8: marry me, I said, I will always work hard, and 587 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 8: no one will love you as much as I will 588 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 8: love you. And I've kept true. 589 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 13: On both promises. 590 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 8: And you know what, nobody's given me anything. 591 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 13: I mean, I'm not gonna say that. 592 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 8: You know I've worked for what I have, and you 593 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 8: know I didn't look for free child care for my 594 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 8: twins when they were born. I told my wife, you 595 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 8: stay home and take care of the kids, because that's 596 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 8: going to be the best stay care. 597 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 13: We can have is their mother take care of them. 598 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 8: And I went out and worked eighty ninety one hundred hours. 599 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 8: I still work eighty hours a week, you know what. 600 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 8: I just do it because it's in me and I 601 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 8: and I still now I'm able to still balance my 602 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 8: family life, and I enjoy my family and I give 603 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 8: them what they want. And my father always told me, 604 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 8: if you want something, you have to work for it. 605 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 5: And I take that Silius Bernie. 606 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 2: I started, and I'm not trying to This is not 607 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: a bragathon, but I'm being deutly honest with you. I 608 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: worked this job because I like it. Okay, I don't 609 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: need the money that I'm making in this job. Okay, 610 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 2: I could have retired a long time ago. I get up. 611 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: I was up at nine o'clock this morning making my 612 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: first phone calls. By the way, we're gonna have Scott 613 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 2: Brown on tomorrow night at nine o'clock and talk about 614 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's in non endorsement a little bit. But I 615 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: work the entire day. If anyone just doesn't understand that, 616 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: call my reader and ask her how hard I work 617 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: during the day. And then I do for I was 618 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 2: of radio, and I'm not doing it for myself. I'm 619 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 2: doing it for my kids because I would like to 620 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: see my kids be able to stay in Massachusetts. But 621 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that's gonna work out as well 622 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: for them as it has for me. We have tripled 623 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: our state budget since the year two thousand. That's obscene 624 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: in my opinion. 625 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 8: When are the people going to have enough? 626 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: Then? 627 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 8: When are they going to stand up and say enough enough? 628 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: They're not going to. I mean, I hate to be 629 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 2: honest with you, Bernie, but you know the idea of 630 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 2: people opening up the windows and yelling, I'm mad as 631 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. You know, 632 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: that's a movie script. The average person here is working 633 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,719 Speaker 2: their butt off in order to stay above water, and 634 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 2: they're hoping that they might be able to get a 635 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 2: ticket to a Patriots game when they next next August, 636 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: when they play exhibition games. It's you know, but hey, 637 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 2: it is what it is. Bertie, I got to run. 638 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: I love you. 639 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 8: Thank you for your time. 640 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,959 Speaker 2: I appreciate it, and thank you for what you and 641 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 2: your wife have done for this country and the family 642 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: that you have produced and the son who's in service 643 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: of the United States military right now, and please tell 644 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: them what thank you, thank you. Talk to you. So 645 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: we'll take a break, coming right back on nights Side. 646 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 2: If you'd like to try to get in, that'd be great. 647 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 2: If not, that's your problem, not mine. Talk to you, 648 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 2: Talk to you in a bit. 649 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 12: I want you to get up now. I want all 650 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 12: of you to get up out of your chairs. I 651 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 12: want you to get up right now and go to 652 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 12: the window, open it and stick your head. 653 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 5: Out and yell him as mad as hell. 654 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna take this anymore. 655 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ, Boston's news radio. 656 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 2: We're gonna get try to get two in here. Gonna 657 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 2: go to Ken first, Ken and Waltham you are next 658 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 2: on Nightside. Welcome Ken. 659 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 10: I did, but I'm gonna walk around agree with you, 660 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 10: I think eventually, but not sound like it in the beginning. 661 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 10: I just you know, I think our high tax rate, 662 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 10: we do have great healthcare compared the states nationwide, and 663 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 10: education or crime rates below. Environmentally, we do it for 664 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 10: nearly well. But where where I'm in agreement with you 665 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 10: is and I think you referenced it with our auditor. 666 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 10: You know when the legislator and the governor's just fighting 667 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 10: our auditor to audit the state legislature. 668 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: The governor and the attorney general. 669 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 10: And the attorney general. Right, yeah, you want to you know, 670 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 10: are we really getting as good value as we should be? 671 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 10: And I think most people who really followed us closely 672 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 10: would say no. I mean, you have to be kind 673 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 10: of suspicious. And you know, I heard governor really, you know, 674 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 10: she's I mean, this is forefitly related. But when I'm here, say, 675 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 10: I heard her on a talk show right after the 676 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 10: Millionaire attacks when in you know, I can't remember what 677 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 10: show was, but she was saying, yeah, we lowered taxes 678 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 10: in Massachusetts. Well they probably went down in some in 679 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 10: some things. I don't know what it was, but you know, 680 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 10: it just sounded like one of those political statements that 681 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 10: politicians often do. 682 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we look back just in this in 683 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 2: this year alone, we've got we couldn't even get a 684 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 2: deal done to fix the plazas on the turnpike, you know, 685 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 2: I mean, yea and these. I mean that that was 686 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 2: a disaster, disaster and it still hasn't been fixed. And 687 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 2: it's stuff like that that worries you and troubles you 688 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 2: when I just think that we you know, again, I 689 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 2: probably was impacted by Paul when he said I don't 690 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,479 Speaker 2: want initiative petitions. I want initiative petitions. I want people 691 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 2: to be able to get involved. I want people to 692 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 2: be able to think. You and I don't agree on everything, 693 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 2: but we've always had positive conversations and productive conversations, and 694 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 2: I just I'm a little frustrated right now, to be 695 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 2: really honest with you, Frustrated with you know, with we're 696 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 2: we're a very interesting show tonight. Okay, I don't know 697 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 2: if the show tonight was above the head of my audience, 698 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 2: and that scares me. 699 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,439 Speaker 10: Well, you know, I guess i'd say maybe the because 700 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 10: I've been jumping around a little bit here. You know, 701 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,760 Speaker 10: are we getting value? 702 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 5: That's I mean. 703 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 10: I'm if if our taxes were what they are and 704 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 10: we're number one or two or three in some of 705 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 10: the categories I mentioned, and there was you know, solid 706 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 10: auditing going on, and if I could really believe what 707 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 10: our politicians were saying, you know, I don't think i'd 708 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 10: be concerned about about the tax rate. But yeah, but 709 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 10: when you hear the kind of thing I mean, I 710 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 10: think the you know, I'm waiting to hear our legislature 711 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 10: and governor say why we can't do an addit. I 712 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 10: mean I've heard them that, I believe, you know. 713 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 2: Like they don't want it to happen. They and guess what, 714 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 2: they may be the honest, the most honest people in 715 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 2: the world, but but they just want to make sure 716 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 2: you know, see no evil here, no evil speak, no evil. Hey, Ken, 717 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 2: I want to get one more in here. I so 718 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 2: appreciate your calling. You're one of my favorite callers. You 719 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 2: know that. I wish if you ran for office. I'd 720 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 2: be your campaign manager. 721 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 5: A great I'm telling you all. 722 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 2: Right, endorse you or your opponent, which ever would help 723 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 2: you more. You're a great, great caller, and you'd be 724 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 2: a great member of the legislature and a great governor too. 725 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 2: Thanks again, talk to you soon. Have a great one. 726 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 2: All right. Let me go to Robert and Wellesley. Robert, 727 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 2: youre going to wrap the hour for us, Go right ahead, Robert. 728 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 8: Well I. 729 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 14: Guess i'd be in favor of the tax reduction. I'm 730 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 14: interested in what your expert opinion would be, in having 731 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 14: worked in the for the treasurer, as to whether that 732 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 14: would be a viable way of bringing in necessary income 733 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 14: into the into the state. Presumably it would be supposed 734 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 14: to stimulate the economy. 735 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the argument. If you were listening to 736 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 2: a tenant hour that Chris Cohane was making that that 737 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 2: you know, on the one hand, you say, well, we're 738 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 2: going to have a diminution in income in the short term, 739 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 2: but in the long term by doing this, we will 740 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 2: stimulate the economy. We have a dying economy right now. 741 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 2: We have people emigrating out of this state. People like 742 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 2: might call O'Brien from Florida, what a loss to think 743 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 2: that he has taken his business at the age of 744 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 2: fifty seven and moved to Florida. What a game for Florida. 745 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 2: We're losing. We're losing here. And people they're concerned if 746 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 2: the Patriot's going to win the Super Bowl. I'm concerned 747 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 2: if the Patriot's going to win a super Bowl. But 748 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 2: it doesn't affect my life. I'll wake up on Monday 749 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 2: morning and the same thing. You know, I just it's 750 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 2: bred and circus, Robert, it's bred and circus. And keep 751 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 2: people focused on the stuff that doesn't matter. You know, 752 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 2: don't look over here, look over there. It's it's frustrating. 753 00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 2: It's really frustrating. I wish I had a I wish 754 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 2: I had a magic formula. I don't. I don't. All 755 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 2: I'm trying to do is make people think, and tonight, 756 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,919 Speaker 2: I don't think there are a lot of people thinking 757 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 2: who are listening. 758 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 14: As well as a Patriots go I hope everyone remembers 759 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 14: it's not whether you win or lose. It's how you 760 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 14: play the game accounts. 761 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 2: Well in the National Football League, it's whether you win 762 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 2: to lose. If you remember that, because if not, you'll 763 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 2: be out of a job. Hey, Robin has always appreciate 764 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 2: your call. You haven't called in a while. Please call 765 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 2: more often. Okay, thank you sir, Thank you. Have a 766 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 2: great night. All right, I think we're done here. Thank 767 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 2: you very much. Rob. No postgame tonight, that's for sure. 768 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 2: I'll see you guys tomorrow at some point tomorrow night 769 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 2: at eight oh five. Maybe see tomorrow four thirty in 770 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 2: the afternoon. All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven. 771 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 2: That's my pale Charlie Rais, who passed sixteen years ago 772 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 2: this very month. That's why all your pets are who passed. 773 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 2: They love you and you love them, and I do 774 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 2: believe you'll see them again. Hope to see you get 775 00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 2: tomorrow night. Great job, Rob, and great job Marita and audience. 776 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 2: See you themorrow night.