1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: This is your last night baseball felt like the national 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: past time once again. Leader fan Fan Radio Network's Pretty 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: Good and k fa N dot Com. Two minutes twenty 4 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: four seconds past three o'clock Central daylight time, we welcome 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: you back to the Bumper to Bumper program on a 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: very murky Tuesday here in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: and Saint Paul Guards. He produces the show. My name 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: is Dan Barrero, former Ringstine Retch newspaper the Twin Cities. 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: We are again going the distance today, that means all 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: the way until six thirty tonight. Both of our guests 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: are expected in studio today. Lou Nanny in the five 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: o'clock hour. I'm shocked, very shocked that he's still here 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: given the weather conditions, we have any need. I don't 14 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: even think we've hit fifty today, have we? Or if 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: we have not much north of fifty or fifty one 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: right now? Okay, well, I don't think we're gonna get 17 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: mu warmer than that. That's way too chilly for him. 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: Despite his Sussaint Marie Roots and Kevin Seffert in studio. 19 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: It's scheduled to join us about thirty minutes from now. 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: Seafert and Luigi Those are only two scheduled guests at 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: the moment. Brad Shawn Brian kafein text line is open 22 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: at six four, six, eight six as well. I'm assuming, 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't that you did not stay up for 24 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: the eighteen inning Game three of the World Series last 25 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: night or this morning, you assume correctly. Here's where I 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: feel really proud about the way it went for me 27 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: last night. I'm not gonna lie and pretend that I 28 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: watched the last four or five six innings, but you 29 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: know what I did do said to myself, I'm kind 30 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: of tuckered on a little tie. I don't think I 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: have it in me to stay with it on the TV. 32 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: So I turned down the radio. Wow, and I listened 33 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: to the last two innings as I'm dozing like it. 34 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: But I woke up to the excited cries of whoever 35 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: was doing the radio This is I think via sirius, 36 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: whoever was doing the radio play by play of the 37 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: game winning Freddie Freeman walk off home run That was 38 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: at eleven fifty pm Pacific time, correct, So that would 39 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: be one fifty yes here. And I felt like a 40 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: kid again because I'm one of those people, one of 41 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: those old time guys, old enough to have often listened 42 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: to baseball, the national pastime, on the radio. So I 43 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: felt kind of good. At first, I felt guilty. I 44 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: gotta stay up for this. This is unbelievable. You gotta 45 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: watch it, I said, Do I really well, how about 46 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: if I play it halfway? And I got it on 47 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: the radio and I can at least tell myself, well, 48 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: this is how you used to listen on the transistor radio. 49 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: This wasn't transistor. This is my phone, which can also 50 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: double as a radio. It can via online purposes. And 51 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: I heard the game winner if it was kind of 52 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: cool because it had so many elements of what you 53 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: could say as I mentioned once upon a time, boys 54 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 1: and girls. And I know this is difficult for people 55 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: to believe. Baseball was easily the most popular sport in 56 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: the United States of America, and it wasn't close. Football 57 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: wasn't close to how big and mythic Major League Baseball was. 58 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: And I don't know that you can get any more 59 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: mythic than what took place over six hours, thirty nine 60 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: minutes last night. Dodgers six, Toronto Blue Jays five. Is 61 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: it the pivotal game. There are some people saying the 62 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: Dodgers are not gonna They're gonna win the next two 63 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be over. I'm not exactly sure about that, 64 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: but it had a lot of really really entertaining elements, 65 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: not the least of which, of course, was again I 66 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: still feel like because baseball is not the national pass 67 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: time anymore. Yeah, the Otani phenomenon I still don't believe 68 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: is getting the do beyond the ball guys. It's just 69 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: not nationally it's not permeating the way it should. He 70 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: reached base nine times last night, nine times, nine times, 71 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: four extra base hits in his first four at bats. 72 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: He gets intentionally walked four times the rest of the way, 73 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: and they pitch around him another time. And to boot, 74 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: he's the starting pitcher in Game four tonight. I mean, 75 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: you can't make that out. He takes the ball to night. 76 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: He takes the ball tonight after being the one of 77 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: the dominant offensive players. Yet again, we're we're seeing something 78 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: boys and girls that we're not gonna see. I don't 79 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: want to say ever, but I think it's unlikely we're 80 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: going to see it in a long, long time. I mean, 81 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: this stuff. I'm trying to project if this was an 82 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: NFL player, if this was an NBA player, even Yeah, 83 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: I feel like all the shows would be on Tilt, 84 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: all the national sports shows, and I still don't believe. 85 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of us aren't. I'm not as 86 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: plugged into baseball as I used to be a lot 87 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: of I'm not blaming anybody, nor am I, but I 88 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: do think that it's actually an underplayed story. The ball 89 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: guys get it. The people who still adhere to, you know, 90 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: the ways and means of baseball and still think of 91 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: baseball for them as the national pastime, they get it. 92 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: But I'd say the vast majority of people absolutely have 93 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: no idea what they're either watching or missing. 94 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: They're not even paying attention to it. They just kind 95 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: of go oh, Tony had another big game. 96 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: Yes. 97 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: Bill Simmons had a funny tweet. He took a video 98 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: he was sitting like right behind the place last night. 99 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: He's la guy and it was a tiny second home 100 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: run I think the one the opposite field, and his 101 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: caption was they stopped pitching to Otani after this. Yeah, 102 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: that's all he said, By the way, to get you 103 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: ready for tonight. I'm minded. We you can do it. 104 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: Maybe during the break all of us including you can 105 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: listen to ESPN Radio and the World Series on the 106 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: iHeart radio app. So maybe make that a preset tonight, 107 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: and then you don't even have to worry about, you know, 108 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: finding your serious or you don't have to make a decision. 109 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: You just go to your iHeart as. Do you get 110 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: a text on that? No, I just off off the 111 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: top of my head. I just came up with this. 112 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: I wasn't urged at all by anybody in management or 113 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 2: my direct boss. But you've you can move the Timberwolves 114 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: channel down one pre set, or just put it right 115 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: next to the Wolves channel and listen to ESPN Radio. 116 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: By the way, I know the debate's broken out about 117 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: whether it's fair game to walk him intentionally that many times, 118 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: whether you know you're you're you're kind of destroying the 119 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: of competition. Why at some point you got to go 120 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: out and come on, want us play the game? I 121 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: have zero? You want to try to win the game zero? 122 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not your average slugger. This guy's unprecedented. 123 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: I have zero. That's part of that, That's always been 124 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: part of the strategy. Of baseball. To be honest, you 125 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: don't always challenge people. In fact, sometimes challenging that player 126 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 1: is stupid and reckless, and you can say, well, that's 127 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: really not what competition is supposed to be. Maybe if 128 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: you're Jack Morris, I get it, But even him, I 129 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: think there's times where you say discretion is a better 130 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: form of valor We're not gonna let this guy beat 131 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: us because he's already beating us. He's already beaten everybody 132 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: so often. Now is it disappointing to people who I 133 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: want to see another reel at bat? Yeah, I want 134 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: to see what he can do with it to that extent, yeah, 135 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: But the fact is they did pitch to him. They 136 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: pitched to him plenty, and they got tired of him 137 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: tattooing the ball out of the ballpark or for extra 138 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: base hits. 139 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: Well, what's the comeback if they do pitch to him 140 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: and he wins the game in the fourteenth inning? Why 141 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: are you pitching to a time that's anybody's saying that 142 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: the act of pitch, certainly pitching around hitters is as 143 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: old as the game. 144 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: Of course, now intentional walks, you can say, what's the line, 145 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: But I'm just not going to give him anything good. 146 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: How many times has a pitching coach walked out to 147 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: the mount or manager and said, don't give him anything 148 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: to swing it a lot? Correct? That surprising? So it was. 149 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: It was actually kind of cool to hear the call 150 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: in that way and to sort of be transformed back 151 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: to the way a lot of us used to listen 152 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: to baseball. And that's as I said it. You can 153 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: listen to any sport obviously on the radio, on the 154 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: iHeart app, whatever the case may be. But there is 155 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: I still think something romantic about baseball in the radio, 156 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: and I was, I was, I kind of sent back 157 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: to exactly that eighteen innings correct, Yes, so that game 158 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: East Coast ended just before three. It did. Yeah, it's awesome. Imagine, 159 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: by the way, an eighteen inning game before the shot 160 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: clock that probably would would they'd still be playing potentially, 161 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: or at least it'd be a lot longer in terms 162 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: of number of hours. Six hours thirty nine minutes, Yeah, 163 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: it would be. I bet you in the old days 164 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: would be closer to seven thirty nine. I liked what 165 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: you got that going for. I liked how Jeff Passton wrote. 166 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: He called it a relief, because holding your breath for 167 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: hours on end is not a sustainable way to live. No, 168 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: that's that's I'd love to know the numbers as the 169 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: game went on, because there's there are like you say, 170 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: baseball not what it once was, right, Yes, and it's 171 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: the Dodgers in the Blue Jays. Obviously, the Dodgers are 172 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: a huge market, the blue Jays not a huge draw. 173 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: But to see if the numbers were always told about 174 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: the Twitter tune ins that we have to get. Hey, 175 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: koc is talking to Paul Allen. Listen now, Kevin Seffert's 176 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: coming up in twenty minutes. Listen now. 177 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: As people are reacting to the crazy stuff that was 178 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 2: happening as the night went on, I'd love to know 179 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: if and how the audience built. 180 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: That's a great question. As the night went on, word 181 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: of mouth go, wait a minute, there's still the World 182 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: Series game is still going. And then I do think 183 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: for some people they go, well, this is starting to 184 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: look historic. Yes, I might want to get in on 185 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: it totally, even if I wasn't in on it from 186 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: the beginning, I might want to get in on that. 187 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: And there and you don't have and there's nothing I 188 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: don't think there's anything rippable about that. I know problem 189 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: with it. 190 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: Even if I'm locked into Wolves Nuggets on Peacock, I'm 191 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: happy to switch the triple double by the way, you see, 192 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: of course, a seventh triple double. 193 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: That guy, I swear to God man that guy, well 194 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: who said it yesterday, Johnny, he's already born. He may 195 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: already be borderline top ten player of all time. 196 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: I know he's crazy, I know, and he's got a 197 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: supporting castes. 198 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, that Murray has rarely played that way against us, 199 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: and I don't know if he's healthier. I don't know 200 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: if it's because Aunt wasn't there to harass him some, 201 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: or naw wasn't there to harass him some. That's a 202 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: different Jamal. If he's if he plays anywhere close to 203 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: that level, that's how they won the title. We might 204 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: be in trouble again. Yeah, that's how they won the title. 205 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: A couple of fan of two men and a junk 206 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: truck want to give you a shot to win Bonus Bucks. 207 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: It is our national cash contest and the first keyword 208 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 2: of the afternoon is money. Go to cafe in dot 209 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: com and enter the keyword money. 210 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: Jeff calling from Monacello World Series. Last night, I tuned 211 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: in at about nine to fifteen to watch the last 212 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: readings of the game. I still like baseball, especially I 213 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: assume it means last innings. This could be a dictated text. 214 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: I still like baseball, especially the World Series. Next thing 215 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 1: I know, I couldn't turn it off, and I'm going 216 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: to bed at two o'clock in the morning. Great game. 217 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: Baseball's back for at least another week or two. And 218 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: in Saint Paul, Dan, the baseball game sustained so long 219 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: that the Commanders played a full football game in Kansas 220 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: City on MNF boarded their playing and made it back 221 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: to DC shortly after the baseball game ended. That's very 222 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: well played, Dan. Uh don't tell you this. But the 223 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: pitch clock is not used in the postseason. Well that's false. 224 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: It is used in the post season. They may not 225 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: make as big an issue. Part of I mean, the 226 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: success of the pitchclock is maybe you don't even notice 227 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: it as much. And I don't think pet strange that 228 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: everybody's kind of trained. That was the whole idea. Here's 229 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: what's starting to get a little scary. The number of 230 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: as baseball games are shortening the time of game for 231 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: NBA games, it's going up. Yeah, it's getting longer. There 232 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: are a bunch of games in the like two thirty 233 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: to forty in a couple of cases range. I don't 234 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: know what. I don't know what's happening, what's bleeding there, 235 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: or why that's that trend seems to be growing. I 236 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: feel like the media timeouts are very long. That could 237 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: be some of it. I feel like there's a lot 238 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: of timeouts. Again, there's too many games in an NBA season, 239 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: just like a baseball for the average now, I don't 240 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: know that the average is two forty. That might be 241 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: still be an outlier, but the fact that you have 242 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: any of those things going on not very good. Wol's 243 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: games started late because we were the second game of 244 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: the national double header, and we had a terrific first 245 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: half after a relatively slow start, turned it big time 246 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: in the second quarter and couldn't sustain it, which may 247 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: not be all that surprising. The head coach pretty frontal 248 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: after the game. Yeah, goes after Jaden and and Rudy 249 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: and everybody. Defensively. Again, no Anthony Edwards, which we knew 250 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: was going to have some impact, but we talked about 251 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: this with Johnny Athletic, Denver's supporting cast is vastly you 252 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: know who I'm guessing wishes he had this supporting cast 253 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: in Denver. It's the former Nuggets coach Michael Malone. Mike Malone, 254 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: you think he say, you know, if I'd have had 255 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: that supporting cast around Joker, I think I don't think 256 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: people would be as mad at me for being unhappy 257 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: with the supporting cast I had before. They're gonna be 258 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: a tough out. I'm not saying they're unbeatable by any means, 259 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: but as you mentioned, Murray was was good and Joker 260 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: was just Joker. I mean it just what he is. Man. 261 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: He just makes the right play so often, the last 262 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: pass to get to that tenth assist that that may 263 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: have been a box score stuffer, but I've never been 264 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: offended by the way he gets to his triple doubles. 265 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: It because generally they feel like they are helping the 266 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: team win, right, So what do we care even if 267 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: it is there's somebody at the bench going, hey, you 268 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: need one more assist? Yeah. To me, he's just a 269 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: winning players what he is, and he probably he looks liberated. 270 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: I bet you he's excited because he feels like I 271 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: got more people around me that might give me a 272 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: chance to win this thing, including a legitimate, at least 273 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: to a degree, backup center, which they hadn't had. Is 274 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: that Cam Robinson? No, that's uh one of the Eastern Europeans. 275 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: Who's name now? Because I know they got somebody from 276 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: Brooklyn right. I was listening to the day Moore pomecasting. 277 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: They had Alan Horton on and Horton is just bitter 278 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: with the Nets for basically giving away icy get Yeah. No, 279 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: that's that's their important players correct to help the Nuggets. 280 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: That's that's part of where the Nuggets are. I guess 281 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: you could say improved. 282 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: But last year didn't they have who was their back 283 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: wasn't their backup center DeAndre Jordan the team for a while. 284 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: I really want to think about Valanchonis is now the 285 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: backup yet he's the guy they brought in and is 286 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: the is the backup center? Cam Johnson is who you're thinking? 287 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: Is that what you said? Yes? Cam Johnson is he's 288 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: a he's a he's a swing po wing player and 289 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: he is he missed some shots early, but he's very 290 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: helpful to them and they took Michael Porter off they did, 291 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: which I think was a helpful, a helpful move. Yeah, 292 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: I really do so. In any case, well, I don't 293 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: even know why I was going down this particular road, 294 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: but the trip that game ended well late because it 295 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: started late, right eight thirty, and then it was pretty 296 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: easy to you know, see where it was going. I 297 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: stayed with it fairly late, and I think Finchy called 298 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: off the dogs like two and a half minutes to 299 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: go and start putting in the kids and putting in 300 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: the the scrubs. And you know, again, I hope you know. 301 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: The prediction is Edwards is going to miss a couple 302 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: of weeks. Right, that's it. We'll see if that's indeed 303 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: the case. Let me get a couple more baseball related 304 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: uh text, very hard to keep up with Jamal Murray 305 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: on a heater like he was cooking last night. Either 306 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: you lock him down, letting Joker get his, or you 307 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: keep pace with your own high volume score. Who was absent? Yeah, 308 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: all I can tell you is when Murray has not 309 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: looked right to me for a while last year, and 310 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: again I don't know if it was mental, physical or both. 311 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: He looks different now. He's not going to go forty 312 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: every night. Last night he was on a heater. That 313 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: was some of it. He just looked healthier, He looked lighter. 314 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: I don't mean like in terms of his body weight, 315 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm turning. I'm talking about his head. He just everything 316 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: seemed better about what he was he was doing. Watched 317 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: the whole game, just praying the Toronto wouldn't win. I 318 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: think it. Ankal does not like the Jays. Oh that's 319 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: apparently it was on believable Now again, a lot of 320 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: people have a hard time rooting for the Dodgers payroll 321 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: approaching half a billion. They can just do whatever whatever 322 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: they want and still make money. I mean, that's that's 323 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: that's the sick thing about the case the Dodgers. I 324 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: think they're still making I think they're making so much 325 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: money internationally, sure in Japan alone, that they probably make 326 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: up whatever that huge payroll disparity is as well. Talk 327 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: about the World Series game last night, Dan and the 328 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: records that were broken had to be numerous, not only 329 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: the longest game as far as innings, but also time 330 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: of game. But that was just one example. Tany had 331 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: nine plate appearances, was on base every time as we 332 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: did mention just incredible. This is Tom from Columbia Heights. 333 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: I really appreciate two non ball guys that you two 334 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: are putting that game over. You're a real breath of 335 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: fresh air. I've heard all day is people crying that 336 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: the game ended so late. Come on, and how we 337 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: need to eliminate the intentional walk? What's wrong with people? 338 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 1: I don't, honestly, I don't know. And I mean I'm 339 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: Danny Downer, but I don't know how you if you 340 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: just follow the story, how is how is that your 341 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: takeaway from it? I don't. It's I guess that falls 342 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: into classification of that that there's really nothing that you're 343 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: going to allow to ever be mythic or semi mythic, right, 344 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you're just you're just you're going. It makes 345 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: no sense to me. The intentional walk has always been 346 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: a part of the game, as it should be, and 347 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: it's disappointing. I get it. In one uh to one respect, 348 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: somebody said that either the pitching coach or the manager 349 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: came out before one of his appearances, was out there 350 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: for like twenty minutes, and then you know, I'm sure 351 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: to say be careful with him, and then he crushed 352 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: one yep on that at bad almost immediately. So I 353 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: I what I mean, if every game, or every every 354 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: World Series game lasted that long, probably that would get old. 355 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: We'd probably changed some things. But isn't that what we 356 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: wait for? I mean, in all honesty, baseball has been 357 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: a song worst enemy for decades, there's no question. But 358 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: one of the saving graces of baseball has been historically 359 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: when it mattered to people, there is no time limit. 360 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: Michaeh nine, Michael eleven, Michael twelve. And in the postseason, 361 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: we don't have the phantom base runner, right, and so 362 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: you got to do it the hard way exactly. So 363 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: that was one of the beauties of the game. Yeah, 364 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: every once in a while you might have a World 365 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: Series game that goes eighteen innings. Yeah, exactly. I don't 366 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: So I haven't heard. Is that a lot of people 367 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: have been I hadn't heard that. You're worrying to me 368 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: about the wrong things. Yeah, that's your takeaway out of 369 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: a game like that, The strategy of continually saying we're 370 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: not going to let this guy beat you. That's not 371 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: non competitive. That's a smart basis, that's smart. Exactly. You're 372 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: trying to win. You're you're trying to win the damn 373 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: game in the end, aren't you? You give them the base? 374 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: I see it in the house. He's right behind me. 375 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: That's a ball guy. Mean, we'll talk to Seyfford a 376 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: little about that. I think Steford and I might be 377 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: arguing a little bit today. Regarding the Wentz quarterback controversy, 378 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: which is ongoing. We'll see, We'll find out just the 379 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: way he has characterized a few things via X makes 380 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: me wonder the head coach talked about it a little 381 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: bit today with PA. Is that correct he did? We'll 382 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: get into all that. With Seafert, we'll get in another 383 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: things regarding this football tea. We haven't had a chance 384 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: to talk to Seffert since the debacle on Thursday night 385 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. Correct, we have not. He's not been 386 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: on the program. Is the season done? In effect? All 387 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: those things will be explored if you have questions. Brat 388 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: Shawn brad kfan text line is six four six all right, 389 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: Kevin Seffert is in the house. Questions for him via 390 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: the bratshaw Brid cafe and text line at six four 391 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: six eight six. You did not have a chance. You're 392 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 1: a big red eye guy from the West Coast. But 393 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: not practical given it was a night game. Is that correct. 394 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 3: That's a correct I looked into it, But it would 395 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 3: have I would have the whole trip would have been 396 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 3: meaningless if I had to leave in the fourth. 397 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: Was there any thought of you leaving the game early? Well, 398 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: that would give it was just one sided as it was. 399 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 3: Well, we had to go down there and grill the contestants, 400 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: so we can't. 401 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: Really didn't grill According to the emails text I've seen tweets, 402 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: you guys were sawing. We laid Yeah, we let them 403 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: off the hood happened. 404 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 3: Well, it's I guess the only way to properly get 405 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 3: the information is to scream at them until they're on 406 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 3: their knees begging for forgiveness. 407 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, even though I think we didn't show car he 408 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: didn't show Carson wentz any mercy. 409 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 3: No, that is that is accurate and he uh and 410 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 3: the fight thing is like, I mean, that was one 411 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: of the big complaints that we didn't hold them accoun funtable. 412 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: And actually, whether you like the answers or not, I 413 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 3: think O'Connell did address everything that needed for the most part. 414 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 3: That needed to be addressed that night, and so did 415 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 3: Carson Wentz. 416 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: Well, part of the I think in part of this 417 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: gets I think misunderstood. The job you guys are in 418 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: is to ask the questions, then he answers, and then 419 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: the average group can decide is that a satisfactory answer 420 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: to me? Or does that sound half asked? Right? I mean, 421 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: that's that always is there. But that's the bit that's 422 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: your job. Your job is to get him to answer 423 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: the question. And just because the average listener might not 424 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: find the answer satisfactory, I would say, well, that's part 425 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: of the point. Then you have every right to judge 426 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: and say, well I didn't like that he's sidestepping the 427 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: most important issue, whatever the case may be. 428 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 3: And it's okay on our end to like follow up 429 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 3: and yeah, they didn't really answer the question. You know, 430 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 3: you were trying to get information. We're not trying to correct, 431 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 3: get to generate humility, or to try to get them 432 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: to change their viewpoint. 433 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: So here's my most important quote crucial question today. Have 434 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: we found it? We got to get another QB, don't 435 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: we We have to have three? Yeah? 436 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's you know, just a matter of course, 437 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell talked today to Pa and he said he 438 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 3: sort of referenced that. But what's clear is that the 439 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 3: top two guys moving forward are going to be McCarthy 440 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 3: and Max Brosmer. And so whether they try to sign 441 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 3: Brett Rippen off the Colts practice squad or had him before, 442 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 3: didn't we had him last year and then camp or 443 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 3: uh Desmond Uh. 444 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: Desmond BANEBA player keep wanting to call him Spencer Rattler 445 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: but Desmond ritter yea for a cup of coffee. 446 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 3: Yah, he was here for a couple of weeks. Uh 447 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 3: after the McCarthy injury as well. 448 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: Probably not realistic or is it silly? 449 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: Like? 450 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: Like is it necessary? 451 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 3: I think would be the the key thing, And I 452 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: guess it would come down to do they judge themselves 453 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: to be in position to challenge for you know, a 454 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 3: playoff spot slash division title and do they not? 455 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean they want to play McCarthy. 456 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 3: So the only way that a Kirk Cousins trade would 457 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: make sense is to be a strong backup if McCarthy 458 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 3: gets hurt again. 459 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: And that's that's quite a luxury at this point, that's true. 460 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: I guess you're right. It's the idea is, if worst 461 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: case scenario, you get two quarterbacks hurt, you got to 462 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: have somebody else play the position. That's probably not Cousins. 463 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 3: Baker threw for three thousand years. Nice option, but I 464 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 3: don't think that's a long term option. 465 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: Very very true, Davy. So, I don't know. The debate 466 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: has continued regarding the O'Connell approach with Wentz. My position 467 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: continues to be as follows. I'm looking at the box score. 468 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the play by play. We score six 469 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: plays twenty six yards to at the twenty four to ten, 470 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: and the third they counter by going seventy three yards 471 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: in twelve plays. It's now thirty one to ten. Right, 472 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: we early in how much time, relatively early in the 473 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: early in the fourth quarter. Then we get the ball 474 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: back and on the second play from scrimmage, Wentz over. 475 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: That's the overthrow on JJ. I think correct that interception. Okay, 476 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: I believe so. To me at that point, I don't 477 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: care how much pride he has. I don't care why he, 478 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, misses that he hasn't had many chances to play. 479 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: The game's over. I am proclaiming it without a sign 480 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: that it's over. As head coach, and I'm telling Carson 481 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: Wentz you're over by me, and the comeback to that 482 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: has been well, but what if another you sacrifice another quarterback? 483 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: Not because you're trying to win, because I'm not trying 484 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: to win at that point, I'm just trying to get 485 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: out of dodge. And I think it is borderline abusive 486 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: no matter how much he's his quarterback, Carson Wentz raising 487 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: it handsy, I'm fine. I'm gonna play this thing out 488 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: to continue to put him on the field, especially for 489 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: a coach who views himself as this humanitarian as much 490 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: as a football coach. And is there a risk with 491 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: Brosmer a little? But you run the ball a lot, 492 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: you throw a lot of short passes, you get out 493 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: of dodge. To me, for me, it was never about well, 494 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: Wentz has played so badly, you got to put somebody 495 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: else out there to see what might happen. For me, 496 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: it's game's over and I'm not going to continue to 497 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: watch him WinCE. Carson Wentz in pain, like he's dying 498 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: out there every fifty every two plays, and I'm calling it. 499 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: Why is that unreasonable? 500 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: I don't think it's. I mean, in the overall scheme 501 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 3: of the world. It's definitely not unreasonable. I've had that happened. 502 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 3: Maybe some people would have said, well, you're giving up, 503 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 3: and you only have seventeen of these games, and now 504 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 3: you've given up, and you came back from a thirty 505 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 3: three not than you know, a few years ago or 506 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 3: whatever it was, and there's been a lot of comebacks, 507 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 3: so I guess they potentially would have a segment of 508 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: people criticizing them for that, which by definition means it 509 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 3: was a no win situation. 510 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: But you know, there was definitely. 511 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: I mean, there was football reasons for why he did it, 512 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 3: and there were moral reasons to argue that he shouldn't 513 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: have that he should have taken him out and football 514 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 3: went out, and you know, I think that's what he's 515 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 3: made pretty clear. His answer Thursday night was that Carson 516 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: understood the circumstances and that it was asking too much 517 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 3: to ask a rookie to and the circumstances were, you're 518 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 3: you're sacrificed. You know, you're sacrificing yourself. We're sacrificing you 519 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 3: to protect. Frankly, two assets that they valued more in 520 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 3: the long term, which are McCarthy and Brosmer and we 521 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 3: can certainly argue about whether that's savage or sedition or 522 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 3: realistic or the way the game is played. But I think, 523 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 3: like to me, it's pretty clear where he landed on 524 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 3: that spectrum. 525 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: It is, and I would submit that if Mike Zimmer 526 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: did the same thing, he would be called a neanderthal 527 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: for doing it. 528 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 3: Well, And I think O'Connor's taking it pretty good from 529 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 3: the fan base. I don't know if they're using words 530 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 3: like that or like, you know, if we're getting into 531 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 3: the cutting the animal's heads off, yes, and whatnot, And 532 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 3: we've generally understood O'Connell not to be that. 533 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, that for me, that goes out the window. 534 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You can't with a straight face 535 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: come to me with that. I'm not even saying what 536 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 1: he did isn't the same thing a lot of coaches 537 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: would have done. But then you have to stop pretending 538 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: that somehow you you you grade yourself in a different 539 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: way on a humanitarian scale, because there was nothing humanitarian. 540 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: And again that to me, the head coach he can 541 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: hide behind. Carson knew what he was in for, and 542 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: we talked to doctors. Yeah, although I've heard some interesting 543 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: things behind the scenes. Maybe about that not all doctors 544 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: necessarily agree either with the decision whatever, if that was 545 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: the recommendation. But in the end, you are the head coach. Yeah, 546 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: so you can unilatterly say Carson did not in any 547 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: way pull himself. Let me make that clear. I made 548 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: a decision under these circumstances, because we're never gonna know 549 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: if even if if the the the whatever surgery they 550 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: have to do, the damage got worse or not on 551 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: the basis of what took place in that game. They're 552 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna say it didn't. They're gonna say the break, 553 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: the the mechanism, they had him attached to her and 554 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: made sure that nothing like that was gonna We're never 555 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: gonna know that, though. 556 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 3: No, and no, probably not. And you know, I would 557 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 3: also say though that there's a difference between being a 558 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 3: humanitarian in public in the real world and being a 559 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: humanitarian and the football. Yeah, I agree that, because that 560 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 3: because that becomes like and you might have some thoughts 561 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 3: and it's like, and I haven't had a chance to 562 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 3: talk to many players about this or not, but do 563 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: we think that the players necessarily viewed this as unnecessarily 564 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: savage A great question, or is this you know, two 565 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 3: weeks ago Brian O'Neil played seventy plays with the sprained MCL. 566 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: The camera is not on him. 567 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 3: Because he's not a quarterback, he may not be as 568 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 3: an expressive of a pain shower as Carson Wentz was 569 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 3: in that particular case. And I will say that Carson 570 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 3: said that he's been in paining a lot. This was 571 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: probably the most pain he's ever been in a game. 572 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 3: And so I'm not trying to draw an equivalent between 573 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 3: Brian O'Neil two weeks ago with the the MCL sprain 574 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 3: and what Carson was going through. But you know, and 575 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 3: I have always tried to be very like cognizant of 576 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 3: not being neanderthal football guy and expecting the NFL to 577 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 3: do more from a health and safety standpoint, and having 578 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 3: witnessed a fair bit of that you know, evolution over 579 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 3: the years, I don't want to then fall back and say, well, 580 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 3: this is you know, the game is savage, and that's 581 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 3: the way it is. 582 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: And so this I think this was an extreme case. 583 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 3: But I do think that on a weekly basis, on 584 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 3: every field in the NFL, there are people paying playing 585 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 3: in some levels to up to extreme pain and maybe 586 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 3: we don't always know about it because it's not the quarterback. 587 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. I just I think I 588 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: get it. Three touchdowns we've seen, you know, people can 589 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: convince themselves that the game is not over, but the 590 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: eye test said that game was over. Yeah. And again 591 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: I don't even know after the pick whether the Chargers 592 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: scored again or not. Yeah, I think they. 593 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 3: Goal. 594 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly here's the I N T field goal. 595 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: So now it's thirty four to ten. I say I'd said, 596 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: we appreciate you if you want to. If anybody wants 597 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: to be mad at me for pulling the plug, that's fine, 598 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: I'll do it. But that's the end of it. I 599 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm I'm still very much surprised that this 600 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: isn't an easy for me. It was an easy cat 601 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: all on the basis of again because some people wanted 602 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: to switch because they're so excited about Rosmer that they 603 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: want to see him. And I'm even here to tell 604 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: you that I'm not putting him out there for that 605 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: reason because it's an unfair, uh situation we may be 606 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: put into in terms of evaluating him on how good 607 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: does he look, I'm saying, well, that you can't judge 608 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: him on that game based on the circumstances. You're on 609 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: the road, the offensive line is a disaster, and the 610 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: game is pretty much over. I am saying, yeah, I'm 611 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: gonna take my chances that he might get hurt because 612 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: I I can control that to a degree by by 613 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: not dropping my quarterback path on deep drops at all, 614 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: and handing the ball off and and and quick kicking 615 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: if I need. 616 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 3: To, and and and and that's and it's you know, 617 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 3: it's a tough one. And I think like it also 618 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 3: opens up the question of okay, you know again, you know, yeah, 619 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 3: there's the injuries happened. But like if you if your 620 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 3: starter is dealing with what we now know and this 621 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 3: and this is an important point, like this all happened 622 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 3: in the Browns game. It's not like he you know, 623 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 3: all the information about the injury came out yesterday, But 624 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 3: he had the torn lay room and he had the 625 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 3: fractured socket shoulder socket, you know, three weeks ago. So 626 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 3: it's not as if so they walked into this game 627 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 3: knowing that that's the injury and that this is the 628 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 3: potential for pain on a short week and they went 629 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 3: in with a you know you, I mean, you could 630 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 3: make an argument that they needed to have a better 631 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 3: option as a backup quarterback if you if the backup 632 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 3: quarterback is a guy you're only going to put in 633 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 3: in certain situations, or you're going to try to protect him, 634 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 3: or you think that it could hurt his development. 635 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: Understood, But like. 636 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 3: From a team building standpoint, even if it's just for 637 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 3: one game, like, don't you need to have a quarterback 638 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 3: that you're ready to put in when. 639 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: The time Yeah, when the time calls, can you make 640 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: the argument? 641 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 3: And not for performance reasons, but for for morality, for 642 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 3: moral like one of the reasons he's saying he didn't 643 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 3: put him in there was because he didn't want to 644 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 3: essentially expose him to the carnage. And like you need 645 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 3: to have I mean, at every position you need to have. 646 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 3: This wasn't like you'd already have a quarterback hurt and 647 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 3: this is the second and then now it's a third, 648 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 3: Like the backup quarterback should be available to go in 649 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 3: independent of the carnage. 650 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,919 Speaker 1: So it's basically what this is telling me is whence 651 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: his mistake was not going to the silent and say 652 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: I can't go anymore. Yeah, but at that point the 653 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: head coach has no choice. But I but I what 654 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: I'm saying is I get the football mentality, I really do. 655 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: But I would not have based on what I saw 656 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: with notwithstanding a color analyst guy who guards he was 657 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: talking about yesterday, H Street herb Street basically, San, Hey, 658 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: you got you know you're showing too much whift on 659 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 1: that yea badly that he he I would because can 660 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: you make the argument even with A you can't play 661 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: McCarthy yet, obviously, even if Brosmer is an undrafted free agent, 662 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: he's been around you since, you know, the for the 663 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: entire offseason, can you make the argument that healthy QB 664 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: then I mean, might have actually given you a better 665 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: chance to have a couple of good plays compared to 666 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: I mean, how much is it fair to say that 667 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: Wentz was was limited beyond just and and we assume 668 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: not so much because it's his left arm, but he 669 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: sure as hell looked to me like he was off 670 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: as much as anything physically, as much as mental. 671 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 3: I mean, think about doing anything, Think about doing the 672 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 3: radio show when you're in excruciating pain, Think about doing 673 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 3: like like I mean, it just it is the chance 674 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 3: of being at your peak performance when you're in that 675 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 3: kind of pain is not is not high. And I 676 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 3: don't think anyone thinks that he was. How do we 677 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 3: know it didn't get worse? I mean we know that's 678 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 3: what they're scientist talk to themselves. But example, the brace 679 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 3: he had on whatever they the contraption had on him 680 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 3: for that game was far more elaborate than they had 681 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 3: the two previous weeks, right, fair to say, so that 682 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 3: to me, he says, well, some and some going on. 683 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 3: I think that was part of that was probably the 684 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 3: fact that he didn't get as much recovery time in between. 685 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 3: But I talked to somebody yesterday said like, you know, 686 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 3: you can never say one hundred percent that and this 687 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,959 Speaker 3: was a medical person. You can never say one hundred 688 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 3: percent that it's not gonna get worse, because there's there's 689 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 3: ways for everything to get worse. Uh, the damages are 690 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 3: already done. But what about when you compensate? You know, 691 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 3: Brian O'Neal we were talking earlier, he played on and then 692 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 3: he didn't play because he had been compensating and his 693 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 3: left knee got swelled up, and so uh, there you 694 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 3: can never say with one hundred percent certainty that it 695 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 3: couldn't that it couldn't get worse. And I can't tell 696 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 3: you right now that it didn't somehow get worse. It 697 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 3: was a you know, there was a there was a 698 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,919 Speaker 3: you know, a fork in the road, and he took 699 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 3: and he took that, and I think he opened himself 700 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 3: up to the criticism. And based on what I heard 701 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 3: today with him from PA, like he's not having any 702 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 3: second thoughts about it. 703 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: All right, the we have more than half the season 704 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: yet to go. The team is sitting at what three 705 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 1: and four? Yeah, it feels like the season is teetering, 706 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: given who you got to play this week? Really, what 707 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: your schedule is the next four or five weeks, notwithstanding 708 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: the Bears game? Right, So is it? I mean? Are we? 709 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: Are we pretty if they lose to Detroit? Are we 710 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: then at a point where, in an odd sort of way, 711 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: the Vikings and koc can relax and say, we're we 712 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: We don't really have anything to worry about regarding competing ideas. 713 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: You know, whether we're going for it this year or not. 714 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: With all the free agent picks we've made now it's 715 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: pretty clear we're not going anywhere this year, and we 716 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: can give the young quarterback the opportunity to make this 717 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 1: mistakes that he's going to inevitably make to get him 718 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 1: to a better place a Lah the new England quarterback 719 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: from a year ago, Rick Maye. I think that's going 720 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,720 Speaker 1: to happen regardless. I can't. 721 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 3: He would have to perform at such a low level 722 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 3: for them to feel like they need to bench him, 723 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 3: assuming that he's healthy, right that, like I think, I mean, 724 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 3: he's going to be the starter absent playing at like 725 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 3: a middle school level frankly, for the rest of the year, 726 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 3: and he should be seven of the first eight quarters. No, 727 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 3: like even worse, that was pretty middle schools. I'd say 728 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 3: that was it was maybe big big tennis. 729 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 1: And so. 730 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 3: That whether you know they somehow be Detroit this weekend 731 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 3: or not, like, that's the from a long term team building, 732 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 3: uh perspective, that is the number one priority here is 733 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 3: to get him the development time he needs and enough 734 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 3: of us, you know, to get him better, but also 735 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 3: to be able to make a intelligent decision this offseason, 736 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 3: you know. And it's crazy to be talking about that 737 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 3: already with ten games to go, but he's already missed 738 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 3: twenty three of his first twenty five I think is 739 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,439 Speaker 3: what it is. He needs to give them a large 740 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 3: enough sample size so that they can reasonably go into 741 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 3: next season with him as their starter or not if 742 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 3: they think that what they've seen tells him, they can't 743 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 3: do that and go find You know that next year 744 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 3: is Daniel Jones, and it doesn't mean they you give 745 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 3: up on I certainly don't think that there's any scenario 746 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 3: where they would give up on him by the end 747 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 3: of this year, but maybe, you know, change gears in 748 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,280 Speaker 3: terms of the speed with which he's going to assume 749 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 3: the full time job and whether that means taking a 750 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 3: step back next year if necessary or not. They need, 751 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 3: they need data to make that decision, and so I 752 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 3: can't foresee a scenario realistically speaking, that he's not the 753 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 3: starter for every game for the rest of the year 754 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,720 Speaker 3: unless there's an injury. 755 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,439 Speaker 1: Until there's an injury, I go with, Wow, we don't 756 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: know he's going to start against Detroit. Uh, he's got 757 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: to prove he's healthy enough. Everybody's saying and assuming it. Now, 758 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: let's let's let's see it, let me see him, Let's 759 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: see the ankle hold up through a week of practice 760 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: that my three days into practice this week. 761 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 2: I don't think KOC would have let Carson Wentz gets 762 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 2: the surgery of wasn't ready to go throwing him back 763 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 2: out there. 764 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: He's got a backup anymore. 765 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 3: Keny, I think they knew Thursday that McCarthy was going 766 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 3: to start, and that was part of leaving Wentz in 767 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 3: the game. 768 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: Seven to six to three. Guy Rights. I think Herbstreet's 769 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: comments are being misinterpreted. I believe he's saying that if 770 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: he's showing that much pain, he shouldn't be on the field. 771 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: That's another interesting wrinkle. I don't know if that was 772 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: his motivation. I will say I didn't hear it, it's 773 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: it's if it's but if you're the head coach, to 774 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 1: be honest, the optics of that would inform me and 775 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: perhaps lead me to the direction of I'm pulling them. 776 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: Because he whatever Wentz might have said about I want 777 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: to stay there, he looked like he was dying. 778 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 3: Well, And to be fair, I think that it was 779 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 3: after his last play because it was very late in 780 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 3: the game, and so by the time they got the 781 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 3: ball back there was like two minutes left. If I'm 782 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 3: remembering the order of things, and so that is when 783 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 3: Brozmurk came in. I think I think the very the 784 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 3: I think Wentz's last play he got it on like 785 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 3: a fourth down and it was incomplete, so the offenses 786 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 3: off the field, and that's when he came out the 787 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 3: field and threw his helmet and was basically, you know, 788 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 3: trying to stay conscious. And I'm pretty sure that by 789 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 3: the time the Theys got the ball back, that's when 790 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 3: Brozemer came in. 791 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: Six one two, guy asks this, how can you properly 792 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: evaluate any quarterback with this offensive line? I mean, it's 793 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: not that. 794 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 3: First of all, it's the end of part of evaluating 795 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,959 Speaker 3: a quarterback is can he can he perform in less 796 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 3: than ideal circumstances? 797 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: So was the Chargers offensive line kind of screwed up? 798 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: And they weren't they down to like their third or 799 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 1: fourth or fifth string running back? The running back. 800 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 3: Yes, they did get the left tack of the Joe 801 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 3: all back. He had not played, but like that and 802 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 3: every team doesn't and they will. And to be frank like, 803 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 3: the way things are trending, they should have both Darrisaw 804 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 3: and O'Neil on the field this week and so that 805 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 3: would give them four of their five, you know, as 806 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 3: close as they've been to health all year. But I 807 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 3: I don't think it's impossible to evaluate a quarterback when 808 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 3: things are not perfect around them. In fact that in 809 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 3: some ways it's preferable because it gives you a more 810 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 3: realistic evaluation of how he can do in what circumstances 811 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 3: typically are in the NFL, which is less than perfect. 812 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: All Right, we got a lot of texts have come in. 813 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 1: We'll make this the top of the hour pause. I 814 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: do want to discuss other things, including the state of 815 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: the of the Vikings defense. So there's some hard questions 816 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: we going to need to start asking there as well. 817 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: Six four six eighty six is the branch on Bryant 818 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,280 Speaker 1: cafan text line number Louis is scheduled in studio probably 819 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,959 Speaker 1: about five o'clock or so. It's a hugely calamitous day 820 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: on the Minnesota sports calendar. Calamity guards ye, especially related 821 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: to your favorite football team, the Golden Gophers. Are you 822 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: aware of that? It's amazing? Famili many there are today 823 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: and maybe I forgot. 824 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 2: It's the fall. Everybody's in now, everybody's playing. There's a 825 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 2: lot of options. 826 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, Unfortunately, in the history of this program. There's quite 827 00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: a few, so we'll get to all of that before 828 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,839 Speaker 1: we're done. At six thirty more seaffert Neck