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Speaker 1: Like ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Dance.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. No one cares one hour long

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Speaker 2: press conferences like ESPN fifteen thirty. Good afternoon, Moegger. This

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Speaker 2: is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: This is our first Friday show since August. We have

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Speaker 2: a lot to get to Let's get right to it.

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Speaker 2: The Duke Tobin press conference ended about an hour ago.

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Speaker 2: Kelsey Conway was there covering the Bengals, covering Duke Tobin,

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Speaker 2: covering the press conference for The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com.

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Speaker 2: She has a lot of work to do it, so

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Speaker 2: I can't thank her enough for joining us right out

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Speaker 2: of the shoe, Kelsey, it's awesome to have you.

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Speaker 3: How are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm great, how are you?

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much for having me on always.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome to have you, all right.

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Speaker 2: The big takeaway from Duke Tobin's press conference for you was.

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Speaker 4: What Bengals fans should prepare for more of the same.

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Speaker 3: Sadly kind of mine as well.

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Speaker 2: Right, because I heard I heard a lot of references

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Speaker 2: to successes of the past, as limited as they may be.

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Speaker 2: I didn't hear anything indicating reflection and using that reflection

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Speaker 2: to maybe pivot in a different direction philosophically or structurally

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Speaker 2: or from an urgency perspective. I walked away from it

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Speaker 2: thinking that if you went into that press conference as

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Speaker 2: that things are going to be done a little bit differently.

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Speaker 2: Here you walked away from that press conference disappointed.

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Speaker 4: So I'm glad that I'm coming on to be able

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Speaker 4: to talk with you about this because we in the

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Speaker 4: last couple of years, you and I have had a

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Speaker 4: chance to talk about this on air when I've been

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Speaker 4: at the Senior Bowl with Duke, and the more I

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Speaker 4: thought about it after time had passed after the press conference,

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Speaker 4: the more I felt it was very similar to my

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Speaker 4: Q and A with him that I did Inmobile last year.

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Speaker 4: And the big takeaway, the two big takeaways that I

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Speaker 4: had is that Duke Hobin said he's frustrated. He feels

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Speaker 4: the fans disappointment. Nobody feels it more than him. He

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Speaker 4: wants to win all of that, but for two years

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Speaker 4: in a row now, he said the same thing to me.

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Speaker 4: He said he's down on the team's ability to finish games.

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Speaker 4: So he said that to me last year, I wrote

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Speaker 4: it in a story that was on the enquire and

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Speaker 4: he said it, saying it's press conference that the thing

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Speaker 4: that burked him most was the team's inability to finish

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Speaker 4: games in those one score games. And for that to

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Speaker 4: believe that he thinks that the roster is good enough

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Speaker 4: and that the reason that they're not winning those one

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Speaker 4: score games maybe isn't a talent acquisition issue. It's more

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Speaker 4: of a coaching mentality, a locker room mentality issue. And

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Speaker 4: to me, for that to be the same thing in

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Speaker 4: back to back years that he thinks is the issue

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Speaker 4: is a little concerning because it's all about do you

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Speaker 4: have enough good players to win those one score games?

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Speaker 4: And they don't, and they have it for two years

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Speaker 4: everything we can to build a championship caliber defense for

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, but he didn't say any of that. You know,

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Speaker 4: expect them to add they are going to add players

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Speaker 4: in free agency on defense. He said we need to

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Speaker 4: same things he said to me last year. So I

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Speaker 4: walked away wondering what exactly will be different, And if

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Speaker 4: And he also said they're not going to add to

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Speaker 4: the scouting department. So there were multiple times for him

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Speaker 4: to say in point to certain things he's going to change,

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Speaker 4: and he didn't. So that leads me to believe, yes,

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Speaker 4: they might add a couple of more free agents on

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Speaker 4: defense this year, but if you're expecting sweeping changes in

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Speaker 4: the organization, I would just say temper your expectation to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was exactly my takeaway from it.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting, you know, I heard Duke talk about

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Speaker 2: on a number of occasions today the one score of games.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, that the games that got away from them

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Speaker 4: No, for that to be the message point in back

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Speaker 4: of personnel, But you know enough about what's going on

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Speaker 4: with the Bengals in the front office the structure with

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Speaker 4: and so I just wanted to point blank ask him,

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Speaker 4: that we're talking about? And he said, yes, well I

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Speaker 4: pointing us in the right direction. But he kept using

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Speaker 4: the term collaboration. And if there was a if there

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Speaker 4: because there was plenty of reporters there, my question would

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Speaker 4: the Bengals roster. So with all of that to be said,

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Speaker 4: like I still leave with plenty of questions about how

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Speaker 4: when you have that many questions, it's hard to believe

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Speaker 4: any Bengals fans that yes, they are going to be

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Speaker 2: So the part of the press conference that in that

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Speaker 2: the exchange, but he was asked at one point like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: be the person who says, this is what we're doing. Right,

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Speaker 2: in any collaborative setting, there's someone who decides, once and

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Speaker 2: go with Ginos Stone and not sign a safety. And

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Speaker 2: unclear as ever as to who has final say, because

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Speaker 4: How is that the case, Well, those situations do arise.

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Speaker 4: I've talked to you about people off the record to

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Speaker 4: know that there are very much instances where the coaches

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Speaker 4: And of course they're not gonna tell us everything, right,

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Speaker 4: the end of this person is responsible for the roster,

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Speaker 4: and Duke did say I need to do a better

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Speaker 4: But the other main takeaway that I had was I

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Speaker 4: he spoke a lot of times about I understand he

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Speaker 4: I get it, but he went out of his way

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Speaker 4: to kind of make comments to you know, alluding to

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Speaker 4: sure that that that's the right approach because every other

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Speaker 4: They're not still talking about the super Bowl that they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like twenty twenty one in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: Bengals have missed the postseason in eight out of their

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Speaker 2: last ten years. Duke Tobin has been in place for

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Speaker 2: all of those ten years. So those two seasons, as

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Speaker 2: and I I hear fans do it. I heard Duke

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, I guess here's another question that

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Speaker 2: I have, and I'm I don't know that you're going

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Speaker 2: to have an answer to this, But Duke talked about

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Speaker 2: there's no comfort here, right, There's no comfort with his job,

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Speaker 2: There's no comfort in the organization. There's no comfort even

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Speaker 2: if you won a Super Bowl. Well, it's one thing

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Speaker 2: to say that, it's something else to trot out the

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Speaker 2: same people from one year to the next when the

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Speaker 3: Did you kind of walk away with the same.

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Speaker 4: And my other thought on that is, okay, if there's

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Speaker 4: no comfort here. The two main questions that I didn't

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Speaker 10: And after Tobin's discussion about Mike Brown, I just really

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, thank thank you for the

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Speaker 2: phone call, Terry. Each of us have a boss. Each

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Speaker 2: of us are still accountable for the things we decide

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Speaker 2: to do and the decisions we make as it relates

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Speaker 2: to our everyday job. And so it is completely and

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Speaker 2: totally fair to do two things with Duke Tobin. Understand

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Speaker 2: the parameters he's working in or working within as the

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Speaker 2: director of Player personnel for the Cincinnati Bengals, but also

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Speaker 2: hold him accountable for his job performance. You know, Duke

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Speaker 2: Tobin was the executive of the Year at the two

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Speaker 2: at the end of the twenty twenty one season one.

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Speaker 3: Mike Brown Stuke Tobin.

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Speaker 2: And got and by the way, deserved a ton of

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Speaker 2: credit for his work with that football team. The one

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Speaker 2: way that I'll i'll depart from what Kelsey had to

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Speaker 2: say about twenty minutes ago is you know, the reference

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Speaker 2: to getting lucky and getting to back to back AFC

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Speaker 2: championship games. There's always luck involved, but they didn't get lucky.

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Speaker 2: That that was that was the result of you know,

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Speaker 2: not screwing up the twenty twenty draft, but also getting

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Speaker 2: a lot of the guys right on defense and having

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Speaker 2: a defense in the postseason that was opportunistic.

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Speaker 3: Uh and and Duke got a lot of credit for that.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he should be blamed or held accountable when

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Speaker 2: when his decisions or his input into the decision making

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Speaker 2: doesn't result in winning.

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Speaker 3: There can be accountability.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 2: I because Duke Tobin works for Mike Brown or anybody

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Speaker 2: else does not clear him of accountability, whether it's internal

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Speaker 2: or external. I mean Saint Zach Taylor is held accountable,

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Speaker 2: and there are a lot of things that went wrong

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Speaker 2: this season that I don't think Zach Taylor has that

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Speaker 2: much to do with. That's why you know my take

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Speaker 2: all along as it relates to Zach and Duke is

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Speaker 2: I don't trust Duke Tobin Zach Taylor. I'm kind of lukewarm.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't bother me that much that he's back. Duke Tobin,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, And for me it's mainly because

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Speaker 2: he ignored the obvious last offseason. But Zach Taylor's held

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Speaker 2: accountable enough that he's got to answer questions dozens of

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Speaker 2: times a year. Duke Tobin was held accountable to the

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Speaker 2: degree that he had to answer questions today for the

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Speaker 2: first time.

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Speaker 3: In a setting like.

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Speaker 2: That, it is completely fair to hold both accountable if

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Speaker 2: you own the team. Right now, it doesn't appear that

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Speaker 2: either is being held accountable to the degree that most

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Speaker 2: would like. Twenty nine away from four o'clock, five point three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: Uh Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 2: Today he spoke for about an hour with the assembled

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Speaker 2: Pro football media and reminded everybody that he traded for

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 3: And also intimated that there will be.

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Speaker 2: No major changes to how the Bengals do things this offseason. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: the NFL Playoffs begin this weekend tomorrow two games Rams

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Speaker 2: and Panthers in Charlotte, Chicago hosting the Green Bay Packers

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Speaker 2: three games on Sunday, Buffaloes at Jacksonville, San Francisco's at Philly,

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Speaker 2: and the Patriots host the Chargers. Monday night, it's the

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Speaker 2: Steelers and Texans. All of the NFL playoff action can

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Speaker 2: be heard this weekend on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. FC

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati has announced its preseason schedule. The season feels like

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Speaker 2: it just ended like a week ago. The Orange and

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Speaker 2: Blue will play their first preseason match against the New

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Speaker 2: England Revolution. That game will be in Bradenton, Florida. They'll

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Speaker 2: play four preseason matches in Florida. Players have begun reporting

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Speaker 2: to Cincinnati. The official data is tomorrow. Preseason training begins

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Speaker 2: next week. Season just ended. College hoops tonight on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. It's NKU at Milwaukee, tip off at seven pm.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow's Xavier host Providence, Kentucky and Mississippi State XU game

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred WOW. The Wildcats could be heard here

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty. That game will tip off at

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Speaker 2: eight thirty Tomorrow night. Sunday, Cincinnati is at UCF Bearcats

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Speaker 2: looking for their first big twelve win of the season.

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Speaker 2: Also this weekend tomorrow it's Indiana hosting tenth rate in

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Speaker 2: Nebraska and Ohio State on Sunday's at Washington. Speaking of Indiana,

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Speaker 2: which I was the IU football team, this is I

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Speaker 2: think one of the most remarkable stories we've had this century.

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Speaker 2: That's not a statement of hyperbole. The Indiana Hoosiers are

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Speaker 2: sixty minutes away from playing for a national championship. IU

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Speaker 2: is taking on Oregon tonight in the Peach Bowl. That

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Speaker 2: game is in Atlanta. A winner will take on the

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Speaker 2: Miami Hurricanes hockey hockey this evening. The Cincinnati Cyclone skated

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Speaker 2: home against Fort Wayne. The puck drops at seven thirty tonight,

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Speaker 2: twenty two away from four o'clock.

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Speaker 3: If there's anything.

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Speaker 2: You've missed on this show, including Chad Brendle yesterday very

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Speaker 2: Hebron and rich Wood. We'll get to more phone calls

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Speaker 2: here in just a bit, and some other stuff in

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Speaker 2: the four o'clock hour.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: About you, but I didn't go into the Duke Tobin

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Speaker 2: press conference thinking that I was gonna feel so much

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Speaker 2: better about the season that just went down, or Duke

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Speaker 2: and his staff's ability to put the Bengals in the

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Speaker 2: short term back in a position where they are legitimate

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Speaker 2: championship contenders, and that's what this is all about.

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Speaker 3: Do I think the Bengals are going to be better

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Speaker 3: next year? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I would be willing to bet the Bengals win more

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Speaker 2: than six games next season. I frankly would be willing

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Speaker 2: to bet the Bengals or a playoff team next year,

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Speaker 2: like I Joe plays seventeen games. That's where my money's

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Speaker 2: going to be every single year. But are they legitimately

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Speaker 2: considered championship contenders? They weren't prior to this past season.

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Speaker 2: They aren't now. I don't think they will be at

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Speaker 2: the beginning of next season. That's a reflection of a

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Speaker 2: lack of confidence in Duke Tobin. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: there was anything he could say today that was going

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Speaker 2: to change my mind or yours as it relates to

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Speaker 2: Duke keeping his gig, having confidence in him. Nothing was

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Speaker 2: going to be said. I think many folks watched or

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Speaker 2: listened to that press conf diference, hoping for hoping for

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Speaker 2: a reason to be mad, quite frankly, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think there was anything to be angry about. Like I

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Speaker 2: don't think he was defiant or smog or condescending or standoffish.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there was any of that. I thought the.

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Speaker 2: Questions he was asked were good questions. I always wonder,

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Speaker 2: you know, for a press conference like that, you have

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Speaker 2: folks who show up who typically don't cover the team,

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Speaker 2: and some who did ask good questions. But I there

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Speaker 2: is a part of me, and I'm a big freedom

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Speaker 2: of the press guy, but there's a part of me

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Speaker 2: that wishes a setting like that would pretty much solely

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Speaker 2: include the folks who are down there every single day,

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Speaker 2: just because I think Number one, those folks have wanted

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Speaker 2: to talk to Duke Tobin in that kind of setting

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Speaker 2: for a long time. Number Two, I think you're going

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Speaker 2: to get the most informed questions and I think you're

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Speaker 2: going to get better answers because Duke is probably a

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Speaker 2: little bit more familiar with the person who's asking the

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Speaker 2: questions as opposed to somebody who covers, you know, news

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But for me, and it's just me,

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Speaker 2: maybe the main thing I was looking for was some indication,

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Speaker 2: some indication that things are gonna be different. Not just

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Speaker 2: you know, things are different because they win more games.

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Speaker 2: But one of the central questions to this entire offseason

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Speaker 2: has been, Okay, you bring back the same people. Will

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Speaker 2: they do their jobs differently? Will they value different things?

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Speaker 2: Will they take different approaches? Will they change philosophies? Will

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Speaker 2: they add people? Right, you can change without firing by

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Speaker 2: adding people. That's one thing you can do. And there

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Speaker 2: was nothing about that press conference and hour's worth, there

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Speaker 2: was nothing about that press conference that I think made

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Speaker 2: any one of us feel like, you know what, they're

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Speaker 2: going to be different. Much of that hour was ben

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Speaker 2: with Duke Tobin citing the fact that they've won before,

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Speaker 2: talking about successes of the past, and he's had some.

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Speaker 2: But when you do that, that tells me that you're

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Speaker 2: going to lean into some of the things that helped

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Speaker 2: achieve those successes in some cases a long time ago

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Speaker 2: and in other cases not that long ago. He was

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Speaker 2: asked about the offense, like we did this topic. I

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Speaker 2: don't know three weeks ago. Things you can do differently,

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Speaker 2: even if the same people are in place, taking a

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Speaker 2: look at the offense and doing a deep dive into

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Speaker 2: whether you know, maybe it would help the efficiency and

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Speaker 2: effectiveness of the offense if somebody else were calling plays.

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Speaker 2: Duke seemed to want nothing to do with that conversation.

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Speaker 2: Enhancing the scouting department, adding voices, adding people. Duke really

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Speaker 2: didn't seem to want to entertain that possibility dramatically changing

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Speaker 2: how they approached play contracts. Duke really didn't seem interested

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Speaker 2: in that. I don't recall there being a question asked

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Speaker 2: about how they evaluate college players. He did talk about

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Speaker 2: college player evaluations being underway. But one of the things

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Speaker 2: a lot of folks have wondered, myself included, has been

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Speaker 2: are they going to get away from leaning in on

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Speaker 2: traits and focus more on what players do on film,

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Speaker 2: what players do when they're actually playing football, instead of

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Speaker 2: what the tape measure says. Certainly didn't get that impression,

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Speaker 2: Not really sure that was talked about today. Maybe today

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Speaker 2: wasn't the right time for that to be discussed. But

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Speaker 2: the big overarching theme for me at least is that

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Speaker 2: they're not going to change how they do things now.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they don't need to, and maybe time will prove

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Speaker 2: that they didn't need to change anything, because I think

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Speaker 2: what we're all hoping for is that the last three

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Speaker 2: years proved to be an outlier in this otherwise really

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Speaker 2: really awesome period of Bengals football. But when you're coming

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Speaker 2: off three can secutive non playoff seasons, and you're the

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Speaker 2: guy in charge of the front office, which Duke is,

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Speaker 2: and they haven't made the postseason an eight out of

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Speaker 2: the last ten years, and they've had so many missteps

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Speaker 2: or failures that have doomed this franchise. When the person

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Speaker 2: in charge of the roster, when the person in charge

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Speaker 2: of player personnel effectively doubles down on some of the

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Speaker 2: same things that have gotten this team here where it

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Speaker 2: is right now, it's kind of sobering. And so I

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Speaker 2: take everything Duke said with a grain of salt. I

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Speaker 2: take everything Duke said and go, Okay, there was almost

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Speaker 2: no chance he was gonna say anything that was going

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Speaker 2: to make anybody do cartwheels about him being the guy

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Speaker 2: still in his office or his ability to turn this around.

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Speaker 2: But I do think it was fair to go into

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Speaker 2: this thinking that maybe there will be some indication that

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Speaker 2: moving forward, things will be done a little bit differently.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody walked away with that impression today. Again,

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Speaker 2: all the references to successes of the past and how

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Speaker 2: they've done things before, and you know, how it's worked

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Speaker 2: out in certain cases before, that to me.

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Speaker 3: Is an indication that they're not going to change.

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Speaker 2: And look, I don't think anybody was expecting the Bengals

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Speaker 2: to like do a total one to eighty in terms

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Speaker 2: of just how they operate, how they do things. They

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Speaker 2: weren't going to suddenly add two dozen scouts. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're there. The change comes slow here, but when change comes,

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Speaker 2: it's incremental change. I don't think anything that was said

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Speaker 2: today would make anybody believe incremental change is in the offing.

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Speaker 2: You could tell me if you disagree, or if you

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Speaker 2: have a different sort of macro takeaway than I do.

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Speaker 2: Five win, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. You could

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Speaker 2: lot on Duke Tobin Today will re air not the

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Speaker 2: press conference in its entirety, but we'll play some highlights.

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Speaker 2: Coming up in the five o'clock hour. Robert Wantrabar, guy

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Speaker 2: from a Cincinnati magazine who writes an awesome weekly Bengals

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Speaker 2: column during the season. Smart Dude is going to join

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Speaker 2: us coming up in four to twenty. Are the Reds

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Speaker 2: not going to get any TV money? Are they not

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Speaker 2: going to have games on TV?

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Speaker 3: This year? If they do, what are they going to

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Speaker 3: look like?

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Speaker 2: We'll get answers to those questions as well after four

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 3: This report is.

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Speaker 2: Nine from four ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: I gotta come up with a pole question on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: let's see Gunner, You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Gunner, thanks

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Speaker 2: for your patience. How are you hey?

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Speaker 9: How you doing today?

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Speaker 12: Mo?

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Speaker 3: Wonderful? How about yourself?

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Speaker 13: Good man? Good?

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Speaker 14: You know, my main cake away from that press conference

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Speaker 14: was that GEO Stone is assuredly coming back.

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Speaker 3: No I talked about Stone.

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Speaker 6: I just had a I.

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Speaker 14: Had to say it to you. But on a serious note,

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Speaker 14: I you know, he talked about, you know, at the

717
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Speaker 14: end of the day, all the matters is what you know,

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Speaker 14: winning the Super Bowl, right, That's how I grade myself

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Speaker 14: at the end of the season. Blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 14: But you know then all he wants to do is

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Speaker 14: harken back to his all we found.

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Speaker 6: But look at this.

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Speaker 9: One free agent.

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Speaker 14: We founder this one, you know trade I made for

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Speaker 14: a forty five year old quarterback that nobody else was

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Speaker 14: talking about in the whole league. Nobody else was looking

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Speaker 14: to trade for this guy before. He's never he's never

728
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Speaker 14: come in and done this for a team at the

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Speaker 14: end of the season, although he did it for the

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Speaker 14: Browns a couple of years ago. But I just it's just,

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Speaker 14: you know, it's that inconsistency with him. And you know,

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Speaker 14: I called into Tony and Austin Show a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 14: and you know, one of the things that really frustrates

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Speaker 14: me is is just their strategy right with everything. You know,

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Speaker 14: one year we're going to go really heavy free agent,

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Speaker 14: and the next year we're not.

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Speaker 15: One year we're gonna draft for trades.

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Speaker 14: The next year we're gonna draft twenty six year old,

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Speaker 14: you know, bad college players three rounds too early and

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Speaker 14: miss out on you know, productive players. Right now, you know,

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Speaker 14: I know everybody remembers the end of that season with Browning.

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Speaker 14: It was it was very obvious at the end of

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Speaker 14: that season what the issue was. If you remember the

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Speaker 14: defensive line, the defense was bad. You know, Hubbard was

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Speaker 14: really bad. DJ Reader got hurt.

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Speaker 9: Right, it was.

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Speaker 14: It was not good. And what did they do coming

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Speaker 14: into that next year? Didn't sign anybody, didn't bring in

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Speaker 14: any defensive line.

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Speaker 9: Then you know we were rolling out, you know, nose

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Speaker 9: tackles from the streets.

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Speaker 14: I can't remember the one guy's name, but you know,

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Speaker 14: he wasn't any good. And and then you you have

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Speaker 14: that bad season last year, and he's like, you know,

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Speaker 14: we're gonna make adjustments and we change and we're always

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Speaker 14: evaluating ourselves and self scouting. And they didn't do anything again.

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Speaker 14: And now he sits up there, you know, all pompous

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Speaker 14: and smug, like laughing at his own jokes, you know,

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Speaker 14: smelling his own farts, talking about you know that they're

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Speaker 14: basically going to do nothing again. I fully expect them

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Speaker 14: to try to re sign Gosai and not pursue a

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Speaker 14: you know, a real threat from the edge. I fully

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Speaker 14: expect them to probably pass on Caleb Downs and draft

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Speaker 14: Kendrick Falk, an other kind of traits guy out of Auburn.

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Speaker 14: So that should all make us really happy. I don't know, man,

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Speaker 14: just a disappointing time to be a fan. I left

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Speaker 14: that press conference just more disappointed than I think I've

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Speaker 14: ever been as a fan, and you know, I'm thirty

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Speaker 14: two years old.

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Speaker 9: I've been good.

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Speaker 2: Well, you started your call by talking about Geno Stone, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: the lack of consistency was evident with him this past

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Speaker 2: offseason where they brought him back. They didn't they didn't

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Speaker 2: go sign a safety, and free agency they didn't draft

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Speaker 2: a safety, even though there were some really good ones available.

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Speaker 3: So they all, right, we're gonna ride or die with Ginostone.

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Speaker 2: Then they asked him to take a pay cut, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we asked at the time, like what if

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Speaker 2: Geno Stone says no, what's plan B? Like if you

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Speaker 2: asked someone to take a pay cut and they said no,

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Speaker 2: then me, you've got to have something behind it. And

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Speaker 2: it didn't feel like they did. So on one hand, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're we believe in Genostone. On the other hand, yes,

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Speaker 2: I got to take a pay cut, right, So.

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Speaker 3: There's right, so you don't believe in it, right, So

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Speaker 3: there's there.

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Speaker 2: Was like even with that on that one isolated guy,

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Speaker 2: that one isolated incident, there was a striking lack of

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Speaker 2: consistency with that. To me, you know, you're you're right,

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Speaker 2: it was just it was a I don't think it

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Speaker 2: was a smug defense. I think it was a defense of, hey,

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Speaker 2: here's what we've done before. It's worked before, why want

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Speaker 2: it work again? And when you do that, you're telling

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Speaker 2: people we're not going to do anything differently.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 14: And you know, even even last year, it's like it's

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Speaker 14: just it's not that complicated. All you got to do

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Speaker 14: last year is add what one or two more guys

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Speaker 14: and we're probably talking about a three or four win difference, right,

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Speaker 14: Like what did we sign Orrin Burke's for two million dollars?

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Speaker 14: You couldn't find a better linebacker to come in and play,

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Speaker 14: you know, like the TJ's Layton, you couldn't find a

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Speaker 14: better defensive tackle to coming out. Thought he played good

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Speaker 14: down the stretch. But it's just yeah, it's a striking

805
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 14: lack of consistency across the board, right individualized the one player,

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Speaker 14: you know, extrapolated to a scouting and drafting philosophy, it's

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Speaker 14: just bad.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate you, appreciate everything you do.

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Speaker 9: I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of you to say, thank you so much, Gunner,

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Speaker 2: have a great weekend. I mean, it was a defense

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Speaker 2: and a defense of things they've done in the past,

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Speaker 2: and in some cases a reminder of past successes which

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Speaker 2: are limited and when those are the themes of your

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Speaker 2: press conference and folks want some sort of sign that

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Speaker 2: things are going to be done different, They're going to

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Speaker 2: be underwhelm when you don't give it to them. More

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Speaker 2: from our guy Robert Wintrop. Coming up at four to

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Speaker 2: twenty Next, what's up with the Reds TV deal on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty cents at Sports Station.

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Speaker 5: Well the holidays of fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 16: No.

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Speaker 7: Five.

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Speaker 2: That before this is ESBs sixty thirty. Lots more on

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Speaker 2: the Duke Toobin Mega press conference in just about fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to spend a few time on this

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Speaker 2: because I think folks have questions. So the Reds have

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Speaker 2: opted out of their TV deal with the FanDuel Sports

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Speaker 2: Network and so I guess they're in limbo, and in

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Speaker 2: limbo in terms of we don't know what the TV

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Speaker 2: coverage is going to look like this year, but also

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Speaker 2: that TV money they need, that TV money, are they

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Speaker 2: going to get it?

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Speaker 3: How much will they get? Where's it going to come from?

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Speaker 2: When this sort of thing comes up and it has

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Speaker 2: often in recent years we reach out to our guy

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Speaker 2: Maury Brown on X at Bisball. Mory's senior contributors to

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Speaker 2: Forbes always kind enough to join us when we have

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Speaker 2: questions about TV contracts in the Red.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like we do this every year, Mory,

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Speaker 3: It's good to have you. How are you?

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Speaker 9: I'm great?

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Speaker 3: How about so? I'm well, I feel like we did

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Speaker 3: this a year ago.

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Speaker 2: The Reds opt out and then they go back to

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Speaker 2: FanDuel Sports Network, the season plays out and they make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: But this feels different from where we were a year ago?

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Speaker 7: Is it?

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Speaker 1: It is in the sense that by opting out, I

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Speaker 1: think that there's obviously the realization that they're not going

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Speaker 1: to get the revenues that they expected that they were contractually.

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Speaker 9: Obligated to by.

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Speaker 1: You know, once again, we've we've gone through several iterations

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Speaker 1: of this. Now it's you know, now branded fan duel.

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Speaker 7: But.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line of it is by these clubs, and

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Speaker 1: the Reds are one of them, right out of nine

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Speaker 1: opting out. It doesn't preclude them from coming back to

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Speaker 1: fan Duel, but it does set it up to where

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Speaker 1: they would go when you know, we're theoretically under with

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Speaker 1: less revenues, and that's obviously a concern. The upside to this,

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Speaker 1: if they do go back, right would be that that

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Speaker 1: money is then lock in, and that's a key factor

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Speaker 1: with the RSN model and why the clubs like it

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Speaker 1: no matter how they're performing, no matter how things are going,

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Speaker 1: that money gets locked in. Now, if they don't come back,

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Speaker 1: then that can change, and that could have a couple

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Speaker 1: of different looks. What would those looks be, Well, I

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Speaker 1: think the one that you're most likely to see at

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Speaker 1: this stage now would be for Major League Baseball to

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Speaker 1: take over the rights. And this has happened. It's not

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Speaker 1: like it's anything new. They've picked up other clubs and

875
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: done this. They would go ahead and produce it. They

876
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: would go ahead and reach out to the likes of

877
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: and Exminity and work new carriage deals distributors, and then

878
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: also the streaming deal that ostensibly in theory, well not

879
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: in theory, it does remove blackouts right in some areas

880
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: where they don't have it, fans will be able to

881
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: reach it that way. But the difference here is is

882
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: that in twenty twenty four, the league said, oh, you

883
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: guys were supposed to get this much under your TV deal,

884
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: You're not going to be able to get that anymore.

885
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: We're going to backstop that money with revenue sharing money

886
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: and we'll go ahead and make sure that you keep

887
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: those revenues. That model has now changed. So whatever the

888
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: clubs pull in, and that would include the Reds, right,

889
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: whatever they pull in, you know through the TV deals

890
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: they get reached and whatever streaming is, that's what they're

891
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: going to get. They would not expect to get the

892
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: money that they have seen or were expecting under this

893
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: deal that's currently FanDuel Networks.

894
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: How much of a financial haircut would they be taking.

895
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the question that nobody can really answer

896
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: because I think that what happens here is it depends

897
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: on your club. And you know, okay, so if I'm

898
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, right, it's not like it's a huge market. Okay,

899
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: But you did mention that the outset, right, they made

900
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: the playoffs. You know, you're on a bit of an

901
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: upswing here. You can feel pretty good about it, but

902
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how less it would be.

903
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: That would be something that really couldn't be answered until

904
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: the end of the season, right, But you would expect

905
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: it to be less and that you know is going

906
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: to be a concern. And I think the biggest concern

907
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: for all the clubs, and look this is this, this

908
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: reaches now to almost the majority of all the regional

909
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: sports networks, is there's just unpredictability. And what happens when

910
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: we get into unpredictability, you tend to go ahead and

911
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: you go, well, we're not going to take as much risk.

912
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: We're going to have to hold back and see how

913
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: this thing goes. You know, remember, we're in the last

914
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: season before we potentially go into a lockout. The owners

915
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: and players don't know what's going to come out of

916
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: the end of that. The expectation is a offseason lockout

917
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: at best. At worst it starts to eat into the

918
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: beginning of the season. So there's just an awful lot

919
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: of unpredictability. And when you get into that, clubs tend

920
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 1: to go either risk neutral or they go risk averse

921
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: and they just like, whoa, We're not going to do

922
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: any long term contracts or anything like that. It just

923
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: sets this whole thing up. And I think that that

924
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: has played in largely to why we've had such a

925
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: cold offseason. It's just not been what you might normally expect.

926
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 3: Nationally.

927
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball has new TV contracts and they've redone

928
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: their deal with ESPN, and one thing they've done is

929
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: they've Baseball has sold off MLB Dot TV to ESPN.

930
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: They have the rights ESPN does to a handful of

931
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: teams local in market games. Eventually down the road is

932
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: that are they going to own the local rights to

933
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 2: all thirty big League clubs?

934
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: And what's that going to look like?

935
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: If the answer is yes, yeah, I don't think it's

936
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: gonna be all thirty. I think you're gonna have a

937
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 1: hard time convincing the Dodgers, the Yankees, your big brand,

938
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: big you know, big market teams. I think you're gonna

939
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: have a hard time with that. Can Manfred wrestle the majority?

940
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: You know, maybe with a few exceptions, I do, And

941
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: I think that that's where they're gonna go. And that's

942
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: the other wild card in the midst of this. It

943
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: sounds like, for whatever reason, and it may again come

944
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: up to the fact that we are coming to the

945
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: end of a you know, of a season and going

946
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: into a labor a potential labor stoppage, that ESPN is

947
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: not going to pick that up.

948
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 9: Until twenty twenty seven.

949
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: So again on all of this is to bridge to

950
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: get Fox and TBS and all the national rights along

951
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: with whatever package of local rights you can get all

952
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: lined up together.

953
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 9: At the end of the three years.

954
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: That we have here that they you know, happened with

955
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: the ESPN backing out of it, they filled that gap

956
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: with ESPN, NBC and some streaming deals. Right, that stuff

957
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: is kind of the bridge for three years. When that

958
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: all lines up, then you're going to start to look

959
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: at something entirely different. So there's just again we're in

960
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: this kind of tweeener state where streaming is starting to

961
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: take more of a position of power. More people continue

962
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: to leave traditional televisions, mostly boomers right that are still

963
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: watching traditional TV, and it just lends us uncertainty to

964
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: the entire media landscape, and it's all playing out.

965
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 9: Of course for baseball it's worse.

966
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, it doesn't affect Cincinnati, but you know,

967
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: for the NBA and NHL right there in mid season

968
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: at least Baseball has a little bit of time here.

969
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: Although they see this as something that's critical to have

970
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: happen now, they want to get this out of the

971
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: way so that fans know where they're going to wind

972
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: up on the dial come the start of the season.

973
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: Oh, there's where I was going to go next. If

974
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: there's a Reds fan listening to this, who's going You

975
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: know what? Last year was pretty good because I could

976
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: stream the games on the fan dual app, I didn't

977
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: have to have traditional cable. So kind of wondering where

978
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch the games in twenty twenty six,

979
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: what's the answer?

980
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that you know, again, if it goes

981
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: some Major League Baseball, your streaming options are still going

982
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: to be there, and you're going to go ahead and

983
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: have it on your traditional most of your traditional TV carriers,

984
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: and that, to Baseball's credit, they've been very good at it.

985
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 9: They've been able to go ahead.

986
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: And make those things happen pretty rapidly, and it's been

987
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: pretty good. I would fully expect with the branding right,

988
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: the FanDuel would be gone. I would expect if they

989
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: hold the model that they've been, that your on air

990
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: personality remain the same that you would get that now

991
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 1: the question would be how pregame and postgame goes.

992
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 9: That may look a little bit different.

993
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: But for the most part, your game broadcast will feel

994
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: what the graphics the exception the same, And they've even

995
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: gone so far as to contract out the people that

996
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: have been doing camera work and whatnot. A lot of

997
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 1: the production people there. Again, you're in studio. Stuff will

998
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: likely change. Those people would be impacted if this happens,

999
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: But again, the actual game broadcast should feel largely the same.

1000
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: Can I just book you now for December first, when

1001
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: the lockout starts?

1002
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't feel very good right now. I mean,

1003
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: this is the stuff. Look this, you know, and laughing

1004
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: about it all aside, This stuff with television has a

1005
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: huge impact. It's it's monies that the clubs have had

1006
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: guaranteed and it's been a cash cow for them for

1007
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: a long time. And so all of this uncertainty creates

1008
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: this you know thing about, hey, we need to go

1009
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: ahead and talk about a cap. The players, of course,

1010
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: are dead set against it, whether we're going to have

1011
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: a floor, whether we address stuff like you know, deferred compensation,

1012
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: which has been a huge loophole for the likes of

1013
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: the Dodgers to go.

1014
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 9: Out and continue to run ram shot.

1015
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: And I think there's going to be an awful lot

1016
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 1: at stake with this labor deal coming up and both

1017
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: sides are girded for it. It'll be a fun And

1018
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: I say that in quotes offseason.

1019
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, well, I'm sure we'll check often.

1020
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: You're always kind of enough to join us when I

1021
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: have a dumb guy questions about the Reds TV deal.

1022
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: Mory, thanks so much.

1023
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 9: All right, man, you take care. Thank you for having me.

1024
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 9: Have a good weekend.

1025
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: Most definitely you. Two. That's Maury Brown.

1026
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: Follow him at bisbal Moury's senior contributor to Forbes. It's

1027
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: quarter after four. I'm oegar. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

1028
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: Robert Wintrob reacts to Duke Tobin's mega press conference. Next

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Twenty after four. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

1043
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: Our friend Robert wine Traub during the football season usually

1044
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: joins us on Thursdays and four to twenty.

1045
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: Today is non Thursday, but it is four twenty.

1046
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: We've moved him back today because I wanted his thoughts

1047
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: on the Duke Tobin mega press conference, which lasted an hour.

1048
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 3: Robert is with us. Now, did you enjoy the press conference?

1049
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's funny.

1050
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 17: You know, we wait and wait and wait for Dutoduke

1051
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 17: Tobin excuse me to speak, and then he goes out

1052
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 17: a little long, and everybody's like, yeah, get this guy

1053
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 17: out of here.

1054
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 7: Where's the hook?

1055
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 15: A little?

1056
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: I wanted it to keep going. I wanted it to

1057
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: just go on on. I would have been more than

1058
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: okay had it leaked into our show. Did you have

1059
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: any overarching takeaway from from Duke's chat with the media.

1060
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 17: Well, funnily, I guess my main takeaway is if he's

1061
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 17: going to be asked, you know, what changes need to

1062
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 17: be made in Cincinnati for twenty twenty six and he answers,

1063
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 17: we need to win more games. I'm fine with him

1064
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 17: not coming to any of these press conferences and not

1065
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 17: more often, which we all sort of want. But I mean,

1066
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 17: you know, it was mainly a filibuster. He wanted you

1067
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 17: to know very clearly that the Joe Flacco move was

1068
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 17: his idea and it should have ended up in a

1069
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 17: parade thrown for him, and you can't understand why.

1070
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 3: And you know, it was a great move.

1071
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 17: I've given him credit for all season, and in a

1072
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 17: different circumstance and different context it would have been viewed

1073
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 17: as such. But of course, you know, the overarching issue

1074
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 17: was the fact that they just ran back a defense

1075
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 17: that was horrible last year and it got worse. And

1076
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 17: you know, as they do so upen in Cincinnati, they

1077
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 17: expect things to change without any particular reason for it,

1078
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 17: and you know, kind of just look to the pass

1079
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 17: and say, we did it once upon a time, we've

1080
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 17: done it occasionally, and you know that means we can

1081
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 17: do it again.

1082
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 7: And you know, to a point that's true.

1083
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 17: But that's just not the way to operate, obviously, for

1084
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 17: a team that's supposedly going after championships. But as I

1085
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 17: wrote in the column that right yesterday Cincinnati Magazine, the

1086
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 17: Bengals aren't that way.

1087
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 7: This is not who they are.

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00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 17: We all know that their settings are not set to

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Speaker 17: championship level. It's set to be competitive, you know, it's

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00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 17: not set to all in. It's set to put a

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Speaker 17: decent team on the field and remain financially flexible. So,

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Speaker 17: you know, the idea that we were expecting, or people

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00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 17: were expecting, some sort of you know, grand scheme to be.

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00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 7: Laid out by Duke and how.

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00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 17: There's going to be a massive change he's going forward,

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Speaker 17: I think was just unrealistic.

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Speaker 7: It's nice to see him at least acknowledge that there's

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Speaker 7: a lot of frustration.

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Speaker 17: But otherwise, you know, I don't take away too much

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00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 17: from it other than you know, they at least hear

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00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 17: from the outside that there's a lot of noise surrounding

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Speaker 17: Duke's job performance over the last couple of years, and

1103
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 17: they at least had to trot him out to you know,

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00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 17: get the villagers.

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00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 7: To extinguish their torches for five minutes. But overall, not

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00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 7: much is going to change.

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00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: I listened to him talk about how there's no comfort

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00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: lack of comfort. He doesn't have comfort. There's no comfort

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00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: even when you win the Super Bowl. And what I

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00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: heard today beyond that and what I see sort of

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00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: flies in the face of that.

1112
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Speaker 3: Would you agree, yeah, completely?

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00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 6: You know, I think I could want to come back

1114
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 6: to what the George you.

1115
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 9: Gas and one of.

1116
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 17: The most respected personnel guys really ever in NFL history

1117
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 17: said once when you know the Mara family wanted to

1118
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 17: put one of the sons in charge of player of personality,

1119
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 17: he said, you can't have player personnel directors who are unaccountable,

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Speaker 17: who can't be fired.

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Speaker 7: You can't lose their.

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00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 17: Job for bad decisions. And that's what the Bengals have.

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Speaker 17: I mean, Duke Tobin is not actually a Brown family member,

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00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 17: but for all intents.

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Speaker 7: And purposes, he is.

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Speaker 17: He's a lot like what we have with the New

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00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 17: York Yankees, who I'm a big fan of. And you

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00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 17: have GM there Brian Cashman, who is essentially a family

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00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 17: member of the ownership, who's been there since before the

1130
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 17: century he actually started. And you know, fans wonder why

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00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 17: things don't ever change, just because there's no real danger

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00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 17: of him losing his job, and there's no real danger

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00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 17: of Duke Tobin losing his job. Maybe he's uncomfortable in

1134
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 17: the fact that he's not doing his job to the

1135
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 17: performance level that he wants to have, and I give

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00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 17: him credit for that. And it's not like he's not

1137
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 17: capable of building a decent team.

1138
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 7: Of course, we've seen he is.

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00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 17: But you know, if you don't have a situation where

1140
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 17: you're so uncomfortable that you're going to lose your job

1141
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 17: and your livelihood and have to go find something else

1142
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 17: to do with your life, there's really you know, there's

1143
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 17: not much else to say. You can pay lip service

1144
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 17: for as much as you want at these breast conferences,

1145
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 17: But the truth of the matter is he can do

1146
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 17: pretty much what he wants with immunity until proven otherwise.

1147
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 17: So it's hard to start to really take that too

1148
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 17: seriously when he says things like that.

1149
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: I think a lot of folks have wanted some degree

1150
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: of clarity as to who has final say over the roster. Now,

1151
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: Duke kind of talked about collaboration. He did say it

1152
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: is Mike Brown's team. Did you walk away from it

1153
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: as frustrated with the lack of clarity about such a

1154
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: thing as everybody else did?

1155
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 7: Well, I guess. I guess. I don't think it is

1156
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 7: a lack of clarity. I think he said it flat out.

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00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 17: I mean, I think, you know, we as much as

1158
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 17: we assume that Mike Brown has sort of receded behind

1159
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 17: the scenes and doesn't really give his input, I think

1160
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 17: he clearly does give his input in quite a bit,

1161
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 17: and probably in way more I don't want to say

1162
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 17: demonstrative fashion, but he has a lot more of the

1163
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 17: fingerprints on the team and the roster than we all

1164
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 17: kind of give them credit for. You know, the only

1165
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 17: real difference functionally between what Jerry Jones operates in Dallas

1166
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 17: and what Mike Brown operates in Cincinnati is that Jerry

1167
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 17: Jones is chesty about the fact that that's his team

1168
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 17: and that's his roster and that's everything. And in Cincinnati

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01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 17: you get a lot of squid ink being thrown up

1170
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 17: all the time because nobody really wants to be responsible

1171
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 17: for things like that, and nobody wants to come out

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Speaker 17: and say that it's a ninety year old GM still

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01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 17: kind of you know, with the final say or the

1174
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 17: right of first refusal or you know, I'm not saying

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01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 17: he gives, you know, scouting reports on three hundred players

1176
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 17: and says, here's the guy we're going to draft every

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01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 17: single round anything like that. But you know, the sort

1178
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 17: of overall just stalt of the team still flows from

1179
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 17: his opinions on football, and you know, Duke Tobin's role

1180
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 17: is to sort of present with options, give his strong

1181
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 17: opinion at times. I'm sure he talks Mike Brown at

1182
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 17: the things, but you know, at the end of the day,

1183
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 17: it's still the owner of the team making the final decision. Yeah,

1184
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 17: I don't think anybody really is surprised by that. It's

1185
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 17: always been the case, and you know, despite his advanced stage,

1186
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 17: it's always going to be the case until the day

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01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 17: where he's no longer with us.

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01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: Robert wy Travis with this Cincinnati magazine dot com. I

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Speaker 2: what Duke Tobin has in front of him this offseason,

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01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: it's easy to identify the problems the Bengals have coming

1191
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: up with solutions and navigating all the stuff they're going

1192
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: to have to get right is anything.

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01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 3: But but I do think they have a layup.

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01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: You got a guy who plays guard in Dalton Reisner,

1195
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 2: who did not make a lot of money last year.

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 2: They got him late in the process. Dalton has said

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Speaker 2: publicly like I don't want to go through that again.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead and re sign me. Duke Tobin, are you listening?

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Speaker 2: I want to play. He plays a position the Bengals

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Speaker 2: have had a hard time filling. He played it well,

1201
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: especially in the second half of the season. The offensive

1202
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 2: line could actually be considered good. This to me, Robert

1203
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: is a layup. You got to make your layup. So

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01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin, before you do the hard stuff, do the

1205
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: easy stuff. You're standing under the rim, nobody's near. You

1206
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: lay it in and sign Dalton Reisner.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree?

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01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 7: I do agree. I would say a different metaphor.

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Speaker 17: It's almost like they need to be a gimme putt

1210
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 17: where the agents for double risers to.

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Speaker 15: Say, oh, just take it.

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01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 7: You know, we don't even want to come to take

1213
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 7: it up. Man, you move on to the next sole.

1214
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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: Obviously it's a clear case of team need player playing

1216
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 17: well and proof of concept and it should be very easy.

1217
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 7: That doesn't mean they're going to sign him next week.

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Speaker 7: I mean, that's just not really how things happened in

1219
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 7: the NFL.

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Speaker 17: They signings of that nature of your own guys tend

1221
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 17: to drift into at least the combine and closer to March,

1222
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 17: just because that's just the.

1223
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Speaker 7: Way things are done in the NFL.

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Speaker 17: But you know, you made the point that they signed

1225
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Speaker 17: very late in the process last year, and they could

1226
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 17: have had him way earlier, and he would have been

1227
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 17: up to speed earlier and wouldn't have had to, you know,

1228
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 17: kind of spend several weeks, you know, playing himself into

1229
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,439
Speaker 17: shape and really gelling with the line.

1230
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 7: Now you have a situation where you could easily take

1231
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 7: care of that problem. You get rid of something.

1232
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Speaker 17: As you said, there's going to be a lot of

1233
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 17: difficult decisions to be made on the defensive side of

1234
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 17: the ball by the who and how many players to

1235
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 17: approach and free agency in the draft.

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Speaker 7: And this is a guy who you know, it's obvious.

1237
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 7: The answer is right in front of you. Now these

1238
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 7: are the Bengals. Never assume they do the obvious thing.

1239
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 17: They could easily look it around and say, well, we

1240
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 17: drafted a guy Jalen Rivers, who you know we like,

1241
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 17: and and maybe if we could save some money and

1242
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 17: Dalton Riser and put it to the defensive side of

1243
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 17: the ball and get away with having a you know,

1244
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 17: an untested or a guy in the right guard that

1245
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 17: we don't love and hasn't proven himself, but you would

1246
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 17: hope that wouldn't be the case. And it's just something

1247
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 17: that the Bengals for all the talk this year about

1248
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 17: how you know the reason in the rationale behind you know, keeping.

1249
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 7: Zach Taylor and and Do.

1250
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 17: Tobin, you know, doing things the way they always have

1251
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 17: been done and nothing's going to change. Well okay, well

1252
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 17: then if it's not that complicated and you have everything

1253
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 17: set right in front of you, then just take care

1254
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 17: of an easy one without any you know, drama, without

1255
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 17: the usual nonsense that goes through the training camp period.

1256
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 17: And you know that we see every single year all

1257
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 17: the noise and get people talking on the national shows

1258
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 17: about the Bengals being the same old Bengals. They can

1259
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 17: eliminate that in this particular case.

1260
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 7: With one easy move. You would hope they would do it.

1261
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 7: But you never know what this club.

1262
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 17: So I'm not gonna say it an automatic gimme putch.

1263
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 7: You don't have to make that lay themselves.

1264
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well if much like me, if they could blow

1265
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 2: a gimme putt, they will, So I guess I can

1266
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: relate to Duke Tobin in that regard.

1267
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 3: Always awesome stuff. Man, Well chat soon. Thank you as

1268
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 3: always anytime, Thanks so much.

1269
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 7: Happy to hear everyone right back at you.

1270
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 2: That's our guy, Robert Wintrob. You could read his Bengals column.

1271
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: The latest one is up at Cincinnati Magazine dot com.

1272
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Speaker 2: Indiana University is sixty minutes away from playing for a

1273
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: college football playoff national championship. Now that maybe makes it

1274
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 2: sound easy. We're going to talk about the Hoosiers with

1275
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: somebody who knows more about IU football than anybody on

1276
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty six from five. This is ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: thirty Molagger. We'll play in the five o'clock hours. Some

1289
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Speaker 2: of Duke Tobin's greatest hits from today's Mega press conference

1290
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Speaker 2: and more of your reaction. Tonight, it's the second college

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Speaker 2: football Playoffs semi final game.

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Speaker 3: It's the Peach Bowl in Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: The Indiana Hoosiers are taking on Oregon, a battle of

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Speaker 2: Big ten teams. I U is sixty minutes away from

1295
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Speaker 2: playing for a new national championship in football. I don't

1296
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 2: think that's a sentence I ever thought that I would say.

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01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's a sentence that Olivia Ray ever

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01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 2: thought she would say. And she loves Indiana University more

1299
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: than maybe anybody. You saw Olivia for years doing sports

1300
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Speaker 2: on Channel five here in town. Now she is covering

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Speaker 2: Indiana and they're a run to the national championship for

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Speaker 2: ABC fifty seven in South Bend.

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01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 3: And I needed somebody to talk who's yours football with?

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Speaker 2: Nobody is more qualified, nobody knows more about the program

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01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 2: than Olivia. So before she goes on TV, kind enough

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01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: to give me a few minutes, Olivia, it's awesome to

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Speaker 2: have you.

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Speaker 18: How are you great to hear your voice again? Mo,

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Speaker 18: I am so excited to talk Indiana football. You know,

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Speaker 18: I've made it my entire personality for the past ten years,

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01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 18: so I'm glad that no one can call me a

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01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 18: bandwagon fan at this point.

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Speaker 3: I am all in. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean you legitimately more than anybody I know, and

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Speaker 2: I have you know, I have followed you for years.

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Speaker 2: You're kind of like the person who followed the band

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01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 2: before it hit big, and that's that's what you are

1318
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: as it relates to the Hoosiers.

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01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's actually how I stopped grew up.

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01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 18: My start in sportscasting is I was a video manager

1321
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 18: on Kevin Wilson's IU football team when they went back

1322
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 18: to back bowl games Pinstripe Bowl Foster Farms Bowl, and

1323
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 18: they were too cheap to pay someone to travel to

1324
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 18: talk in front of the camera, so they put a

1325
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 18: student on there. And that is how I became a sportscaster.

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Speaker 18: So it has gone way back, and my husband played

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01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 18: and coached for them, and we even actually got married

1328
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 18: at Memorial Stadium two summers ago, right before this thing

1329
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 18: really got rolling. So if you want to give anyone,

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01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 18: any credit you can give coach sig Sum and then

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01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 18: I'll take the rest of it if you don't mind.

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Speaker 2: Wow, very good. Okay, yeah, now we know where the

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01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 2: credit should go. What was it like we'll talk about tonight.

1334
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Speaker 2: But you were there in Pasadena for the Rose Bowl,

1335
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 2: and you know as a Cincinnati fan, right as a

1336
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 2: UC fan. I remember when they made the Orange Bowl

1337
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 2: and walking out there and I saw Cincinnati in the

1338
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 2: end zone and it's like, man, I never thought i'd

1339
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 2: see this.

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Speaker 17: Uh.

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Speaker 3: What was it like like.

1342
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: Covering and being around that program in that setting, with

1343
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: those stakes and then seeing them dominate the ultimate of

1344
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: blue bloods in Alabama.

1345
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 9: It was unreal.

1346
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 18: I actually went out there with my dad and my son.

1347
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 18: He's seven months old. My dad has been on a

1348
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 18: plane once before, and I convinced him to climb back

1349
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 18: on to go out to Pasadena because he said, if

1350
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 18: he ever got the chance to see you play in

1351
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 18: the Rose Bowl before he dies, he was gonna take it.

1352
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 18: And he did not lie to me.

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01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 11: It was unreal.

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01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 18: We were in the north end zone and I mean

1355
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 18: just to watch them wallop Alabama and then get to

1356
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 18: be down there on the field to watch this team

1357
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 18: act like they belonged, which was really cool, and their

1358
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 18: celebrations of the Rose Bowl like they were not surprised

1359
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 18: about what they did to Alabama in any way, shit

1360
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 18: or form.

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01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 6: Uh.

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01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 2: Kurtzinetti, we see the press conferences, Google me. He's an

1363
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 2: interesting guy as to the extent that you've gotten a

1364
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 2: chance to get to know him and how he he

1365
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 2: runs the program.

1366
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 3: Give me what we don't see?

1367
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 2: Why is this work to the degree it has since

1368
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 2: he took over in Bloomington.

1369
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 18: This is probably one of my favorite stories from the

1370
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 18: Rose Bowl. So we were at an IU football alumni

1371
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,520
Speaker 18: event the night before the game out there in Pasadena.

1372
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 18: About three hundred former players, coaches, all of the above

1373
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 18: showed up to this bar to hang out, and a

1374
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 18: couple of the current coaches who were in the former

1375
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 18: regime when my husband coached back Kevin Wilson first year

1376
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 18: of Tom Allen, they're still on the staff and they

1377
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 18: were talking about the differences in like how the team

1378
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 18: approached the bowl game, and that would be that they

1379
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 18: were monitoring the hallways that the players were not allowed

1380
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 18: to leave their rooms essentially in downtown LA where they

1381
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 18: were staying and which was not the case when we

1382
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 18: were in New York for New Year's Eve. Everyone was

1383
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,879
Speaker 18: out walking around Times Square and everything, and he said

1384
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 18: Coach Signati basically said, and he didn't put the tape

1385
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 18: on the door, you know, to make sure it wasn't broken,

1386
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 18: like kids do at summer camps. But he said, if

1387
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 18: he finds out you're out of your room past nine pm,

1388
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 18: it's not going to be in your best interest. So

1389
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 18: they were policing that place, and the guys take it seriously.

1390
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 18: They said, sig respects their time. So if they're not

1391
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 18: supposed to be at the stadium, they're still getting treatment

1392
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 18: in this or that because he doesn't overbook them with

1393
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 18: practices and therapy and all of that. So it's a

1394
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 18: well oiled machine and it's got off the ground in

1395
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 18: two years, which is crazy.

1396
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 2: The favorite tonight against Oregon played them before in Atlanta.

1397
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:39,440
Speaker 2: Tonight sixty minutes away from playing for a national championship.

1398
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 3: If they win tonight, what have they done to beat

1399
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:43,919
Speaker 3: the Ducks.

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Speaker 18: They have gotten pressure again on Dante Moore. The difference

1401
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 18: though from the first time they saw them week seven,

1402
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 18: is that Dante Moor is getting the ball out almost

1403
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 18: a half second faster than in Week seven when they

1404
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 18: barely got by him. They did sack him six times

1405
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 18: at all kinds of pressure on him. Put him in

1406
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 18: a pressure cooker, if you will. But this defensive line

1407
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 18: is a lot different. I use lost Kellen Wyatt, they've

1408
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 18: lost Stephen Daily, so they're gonna have a lot of

1409
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 18: different personnel up there on the front seven, a lot

1410
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 18: of different mixtures that they're going to have to try

1411
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 18: and find a way to get pressure on him and

1412
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 18: confuse him like they did. The difference. Though Dante Moor's

1413
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 18: had a lot more football under his belt, he was

1414
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 18: still a newbie back then in Week seven.

1415
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 2: It's an amazing story, you know, I said when they

1416
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 2: beat earlier in the season, went to Oregon in one,

1417
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 2: I said, like Indy of a football being good is

1418
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 2: just fun.

1419
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 3: Right.

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01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: They were good last year, played in the playoff. It

1421
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 2: felt like one off. I'm sort of living vicariously through

1422
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 2: IU fans because I think it's so cool when a

1423
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 2: newby crashes the party, and so I hope the guy

1424
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 2: you guys are playing a week from Monday, enjoy it

1425
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: as a fan. I know you're doing your job professionally,

1426
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 2: but it's got to be one of the coolest things

1427
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 2: you've ever had a chance to cover. I can't thank

1428
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: you enough for doing this, and maybe we'll bother you

1429
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 2: on on the night of the title game.

1430
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 3: Thanks so much. I love it.

1431
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 18: Thanks MO, talk to you soon.

1432
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 2: Most definitely, most definitely, thank you so much. That's Olivia Ray.

1433
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 2: Olivia was on Channel five for a while and did

1434
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 2: awesome work, and now in South Bend, which I'm sure

1435
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: is an IU grad is interesting. But doing coverage of

1436
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 2: the Hoosiers, and that's got to be cool as hell

1437
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 2: to cover, not just cover your alma mater.

1438
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 3: But like she is a hardcore.

1439
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 2: IU football fan, and I know a lot of big

1440
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 2: Indiana basketball fans. I know a ton of hardcore IU

1441
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 2: football fans. Olivia is one of them and now not

1442
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 2: the only one. That game tonight should be a lot

1443
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 2: of fun Indiana and Oregon. Meanwhile, we've needed a Miami guy.

1444
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,839
Speaker 2: Miami is undefeated. Travis Steels team takes on Toledo tonight,

1445
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 2: our friend, speaking of former Cincinnati Sports TV anchors Jed

1446
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 2: de Muci, the Pride of Oxford. We'll talk about the

1447
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 2: undefeated RedHawks next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:07,120
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Speaker 8: That's nine three, nine two two sixty three. There is

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Speaker 8: an update with some good news for you. Eastbound Westwood

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01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 8: Northern Boulevard is now reopened from an earlier accident between

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01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 8: McFarlane Woods Drive and Montana Avenue. Northbound seventy one. Traffic

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01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 8: is slow between Ridge and Ronald Reagan Highway at three

1457
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 8: minute delay. I'm at ezelic with traffic.

1458
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:42,879
Speaker 2: This man dem had a one hour long press conference

1459
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 2: which will play the hits of coming up after the

1460
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 2: top of the hour. Tonight, UH an early evening tip

1461
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 2: off in Toledo. It's Savage Arena. The undefeated Miami RedHawks

1462
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: Travis Steels team is sixteen and oher, obviously unbeaten in

1463
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 2: MAC play. They battle the Toledo Rockets, who were also

1464
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 2: unbeaten in MAC play. That game is a six o'clock.

1465
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 2: Miami was good enough for thirtieth in the latest AP

1466
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 2: Top twenty five Men's College Basketball poll, And so you

1467
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: know we've got Chad Brendle who joins us to talk

1468
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 2: about the Bearcats. And we've got Rick brooring double duty

1469
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 2: with Xavier and NKU basketball, and our very own Drew

1470
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 2: by Drew Wester.

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01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 3: Heidi is our ud guy.

1472
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 2: I think we just made Olivia Ray or Indiana University person.

1473
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 2: We needed a Miami guy or a Miami person. Jed

1474
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 2: Demuci stepped up, formerly of Local twelve, and said, I'll

1475
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 2: be that guy. He loves the RedHawks, He's excited about Miami.

1476
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: I hear he's starting to look at stub Hub for

1477
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 2: like Sweet sixteen tickets, and so he's with us to

1478
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 2: talk about Travis Steel's undefeated team.

1479
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 3: Hi, Jed, how's it going?

1480
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 15: Fees are just astronomical on Ticketmaster for these for these

1481
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 15: sites with how are you mo? I'm happy to I

1482
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 15: will carry the flag for the RedHawks.

1483
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 9: Absolutely.

1484
01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: Miami was good last year and lost a heartbreaker in

1485
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: the MAC Tournament title game. Right, That's a game that

1486
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 2: they frankly should have won. So I guess it shouldn't

1487
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 2: be a huge surprise that they're good this year. But

1488
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 2: they're sixteen to Oh how surprising is that?

1489
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 9: Well?

1490
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 15: I think because they were successful last year and because

1491
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 15: they really had Akron on the ropes in that MAC

1492
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 15: Championship game. I think a lot of teams at a

1493
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 15: higher level took notice and kind of didn't want to

1494
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 15: put them on the roster because, you know, the way

1495
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,560
Speaker 15: the quad systems work, the juice didn't really worth the

1496
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,600
Speaker 15: squeeze to schedule Miami. You know, Acron. I think this

1497
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,839
Speaker 15: year played per Due, which obviously produce a top opponent,

1498
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 15: but a lot of teams that are high mid major

1499
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 15: teams I think had a problem scheduling teams at a

1500
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 15: higher level. And Travis Steel has mentioned that, he said

1501
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 15: it takes two to tango, and Miami ended up with

1502
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 15: the schedule that you know, Ken Palm says isn't very good.

1503
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 15: There aren't a lot of really good MAC schedules because

1504
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 15: I don't think teams think that it's worth bringing in

1505
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 15: Akron and potentially losing. I mean, Kansas State brought in

1506
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 15: Bowling Green and lost this year, So I don't think

1507
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 15: they're going to be scheduling Bowling Green anytime soon. So

1508
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 15: you know, I think a lot of people will say, oh,

1509
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 15: you know, Wright State's broadcast when they were down ten

1510
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 15: points to Miami said Miami hasn't played anybody, which a

1511
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 15: little nonsensical when you're losing to the team, but you know,

1512
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 15: Wright State has some nonsensical things in their past. But

1513
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 15: I just think when you look at when you look

1514
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 15: at what they've accomplished, they don't have to apologize. I'm

1515
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 15: sure that Travis understands that it's a much better way

1516
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 15: to go about getting tested before MAC play, getting tested

1517
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,919
Speaker 15: so you can go in and win the MAC tournament

1518
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 15: as opposed to being undefeated. But hey, sitting at sixteen

1519
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 15: to zero, they figured it out and they've won in

1520
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 15: different ways, and you know, I don't think they should

1521
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 15: have to apologize for being where they are.

1522
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 2: If teams aren't gonna play you, there's nothing you could do.

1523
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 2: And that's the thing about that, though, is it's not

1524
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 2: gonna change. I with with more success this year, and

1525
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 2: you know, we'll see how the rest of the season unfolds.

1526
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 2: It's it's still early January. It ain't like that's gonna

1527
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 2: change anytime soon.

1528
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 15: Yeah, And Miami's used to having to apologize. You know, Sorry,

1529
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 15: we have a really beautiful campus. Sorry, we're one of

1530
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 15: six schools that has a Super Bowl winning quarterback in

1531
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 15: the US President. Sorry, Chuck Martin's really good at his job.

1532
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 15: I mean, this is just the latest in a long

1533
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 15: line of things that people expect Miami to apologize for.

1534
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 15: And again they face adversity losing Evan Ifsorrow as you know,

1535
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 15: they're the facto leader on the court to an ACL injury.

1536
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,839
Speaker 15: They just ripped off the red shirt of Justin Kirby,

1537
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 15: so they're going through the process of figuring out who's

1538
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 15: going to be there when the bell rings and the

1539
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 15: MAC Tournament. There hasn't been an at large team to

1540
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 15: go to the NCAA Tournament from the Maxins. Miami did

1541
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 15: it in nineteen ninety nine, and that's only this that's

1542
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 15: the second to last appearance Miami has had in the

1543
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 15: NCAA Tournament. They went my senior year as well, thanks

1544
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 15: to Doug Penno hitting a big three to send them

1545
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,839
Speaker 15: to the tournament. But Miami's been to the tournament twice

1546
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 15: since nineteen ninety nine. So this is a big deal

1547
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 15: in Oxford.

1548
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 2: So I think in college basketball at particular at the

1549
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 2: level where you know they're mainly one bid leagues, we

1550
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 2: don't celebrate winning a regular season conference championship enough because

1551
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 2: I don't want to say anybody can win three games

1552
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: in three days or four games in three days. But

1553
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: I think the real test of a team's quality and

1554
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 2: depth and mental toughness is getting through the ten week gauntlet,

1555
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 2: playing on the road, surviving the dog days. And so

1556
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: let's talk about this season in those terms. First, if

1557
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 2: there is something that Miami fans should be worried about

1558
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 2: as they navigate the max schedule, what is it?

1559
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 15: Oh, I mean everybody. I mean they're getting everybody's best

1560
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 15: up Toledo tonight. Is I mean Toledo's favored tonight. I

1561
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 15: think by a point and a half. They're the model

1562
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 15: of consistency. I think Todd Kowalchik, their head coach, has

1563
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 15: had seven to twenty win seasons at Toledo, so going

1564
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 15: to their place, miam hasn't won at Toledo, I think

1565
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 15: since twenty eleven. So today it's a tough test. You

1566
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 15: got Kent State always tough. Buffalo is having a good year.

1567
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 15: You know, they only get one shot at Akron, So

1568
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 15: I think, you know, there are definitely teams where you

1569
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 15: would say you could take a night off. But if

1570
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 15: they're going to continue to be undefeated, it's it's they're

1571
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 15: going to get everybody's everybody's best shot. So I mean,

1572
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 15: the goal isn't to finish the season undefeated. The goal

1573
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 15: is to is really I understand your point, but the

1574
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 15: goal is to get back to the tournament and hopefully

1575
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 15: that's that. I know that's what Travis is thinking as well.

1576
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 2: Is the Miami University community starting to take notice and

1577
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 2: get excited because that has been an issue at times

1578
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 2: when it comes to men's basketball and football.

1579
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 15: Absolutely, And you know, I was at the game. I

1580
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 15: was home in in in Cincinnati for the holidays when

1581
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 15: we went to the Milligan game, which was probably the

1582
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 15: best game you could take your five and four year

1583
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 15: old son too, because it was just.

1584
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 6: So many points.

1585
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 15: But the community, I think, I think the acting game

1586
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 15: was was really a step in the right direction because

1587
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 15: you know, kids aren't back on campus yet and just

1588
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 15: from watching it on TV, it sounded like there it

1589
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 15: was a great environment. Travis said as much after the

1590
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 15: game that he was happy that they were packed in

1591
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 15: and but I mean he has seen this come a

1592
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 15: long way in the time that that coach Steel has

1593
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 15: been in Oxford. You know, I think that there's a

1594
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 15: lot of I think he had a big sort of

1595
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 15: oh my gosh, what did I just do moment when

1596
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,600
Speaker 15: he when he first started and now the crowd is

1597
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 15: coming back to the level of energy for Oxford can

1598
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 15: be difficult at times, that's for sure. I remember writing

1599
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 15: commns about that that the Miami Student when you know,

1600
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 15: the Doug Penno team was making a run, like more

1601
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 15: people need to show up. So that's constantly on the

1602
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 15: front burner. I'm hoping to get Rick Rooring excited. I mean,

1603
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 15: a couple of days ago you asked him, you said,

1604
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 15: you said, hey, can I ask you a question about

1605
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 15: another team in the area? And his response, his response

1606
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 15: was who put you up to this? That's the response

1607
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 15: you give when you get startled by an intervention, not

1608
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 15: when you're asked to talk about sort of an undefeated

1609
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 15: basketball team. So hopefully the you know, the local media

1610
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 15: can can get a little fought up about what's going

1611
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 15: on too.

1612
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 3: That's that's that's why we're having you on.

1613
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this because I think of, like,

1614
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:59,879
Speaker 2: you know, growing up as a kid and Herb Syndeck

1615
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 2: and Charlie Coles had the Red the red Skins the

1616
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 2: Red Hawks in the NCAA Tournament on a regular basis.

1617
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 2: I remember watching them beat Arizona in a high school

1618
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 2: classroom in nineteen ninety five in the NCAA tournament. It

1619
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 2: felt like Devin Davis. Then obviously you know Wally's Rbiak,

1620
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 2: who I watched play when I was in college. Like,

1621
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 2: like Miami basketball mattered this century, it hasn't. They've had

1622
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 2: different coaches. The Jack Owens thing didn't work out, John

1623
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 2: Cooper didn't work out, Travis Steele.

1624
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 3: It is.

1625
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 2: Why is it taking so long for that program to

1626
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 2: get pulled out of the morass that it was in.

1627
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 9: That's a great question.

1628
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 15: I mean, I think it takes' that's a newly doted question.

1629
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 15: I think it took having a guy, and obviously Jack

1630
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 15: Owens ed ties as well. I thought really that he

1631
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 15: was going to be the guy to kind of get

1632
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 15: us get Miami over the hump, and it didn't happen.

1633
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 15: I think, if you know, I think Sailor deserves a

1634
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 15: lot of credit. I think Travis deserves a lot of

1635
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 15: credit for walking directly out of you know about probably

1636
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 15: a very frustrating, a very emotional exit from Xavier and

1637
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 15: taking something like this on. I don't I don't know

1638
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 15: that answer. But what I can tell you is it

1639
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,759
Speaker 15: takes a guy like Travis Steele who kind of knows.

1640
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 15: Maybe it's maybe it's being.

1641
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 9: A head coach before.

1642
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 15: Maybe it's being you know, being in going in the

1643
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 15: Big East and having those seasons and having that experience

1644
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 15: to know that the things that you're facing you can

1645
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 15: face when you come to the MAC and when you

1646
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 15: have to recruit and when you know that you're not

1647
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 15: going to be, you know, the only guy in some

1648
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 15: kids living room trying to convince him to come to

1649
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 15: your school. Maybe having that pressure of being you know,

1650
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,560
Speaker 15: that high level of the coach and having the humility

1651
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 15: to come do it at a smaller level, maybe that's

1652
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:52,919
Speaker 15: the secret formula.

1653
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: All Right, you're are Miami guy now, so you know

1654
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 2: we'll be checking in.

1655
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 15: I appreciate that, sir. Happy New year, right.

1656
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 3: Back, catch it, thanks so much. Enjoyed the game to night. Yep,

1657
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 3: that's our guy, Jeddiman.

1658
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 2: Last time we had Jed on, he was at the

1659
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 2: was at the PGA where Scotti Scheffler got arrested in

1660
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 2: Louisville and he was there.

1661
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 3: He was there for that, so we had him on.

1662
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 2: So he's sort of our when the best golfer in

1663
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,839
Speaker 2: the world gets arrested, he joins US. And when Miami

1664
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 2: is good and Travis Steele's team is really good, and yeah,

1665
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 2: the the criticisms of the schedule, I think there's there's

1666
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 2: a difference between criticism and an observation. You could observe

1667
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 2: their schedule and go ole boy. Non conference just the

1668
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 2: metrics will tell you as much it leaves, it leaves

1669
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 2: a little to be desired. I think that's the most

1670
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 2: gentle way I could put it. There's only so much

1671
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 2: about that that Travis Steele and his staff and the

1672
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 2: athletic department can control. But in MAC play, they've gotten

1673
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 2: off to a great start. Offensively, they are fun to watch.

1674
01:24:58,040 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 2: Last year's team was a lot of fun to watch.

1675
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 2: They should have won the MAC title game against Akron

1676
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 2: last year, and yeah, that's it's obviously about getting to

1677
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament, but Miami hasn't won a conference regular

1678
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 2: season championship in twenty one years, and so don't I

1679
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 2: don't think anybody should sneeze at that accomplishment. They are

1680
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 2: not there yet, and they have a tough game tonight,

1681
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 2: but it's uh, it's cool when Miami's good. And you know,

1682
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 2: I do remember in the nineteen nineties, as much as

1683
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 2: we certainly talked UC and Xavier in Kentucky, basketball in

1684
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 2: Indiana was still, you know, relevant with Bob Knight as

1685
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 2: a kid, Miami was you know, a bigger part of

1686
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:36,480
Speaker 2: the landscape than it has been. And uh, hopefully Travis

1687
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 2: is getting it back to where it used to be.

1688
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 2: And hopefully they have their name called on selection Sunday,

1689
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 2: either as an automatic qualifier or perhaps against all odds,

1690
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 2: an at large team. We will see that is obviously

1691
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 2: not likely, but still it's cool to see the RedHawks

1692
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 2: having the season that they are. All right, we got

1693
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 2: an hour to go five point three seven, four nine,

1694
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. We did all guests in the four o'clock hour,

1695
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 2: and now we've got a ton of time to talk

1696
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 2: with you.

1697
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 3: We'll hear some Duke Tobin. Audio will play the hits.

1698
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 2: We'll talk about what he said and didn't say, and

1699
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 2: sort of the message that he sent. This afternoon on

1700
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1701
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 5: This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

1702
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 2: It's five oh five ESPN fifteen thirty. Moeger, thank you

1703
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 2: for listening hopefully here weekend. This off to an amazing start.

1704
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 3: It does feel weird getting on on a Friday. We

1705
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 3: haven't been on a Friday since August, because you know,

1706
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 3: he carried bendos pep rally for eighteen straight weeks.

1707
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 2: My friend and colleague Taren Bland has very carefully selected

1708
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 2: the greatest hits from Duke Tobin's press conference from earlier today,

1709
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 2: and we'll have that for you coming up at five twenty.

1710
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,799
Speaker 2: In the event that you either missed the press conference,

1711
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 2: which lasted an hour, or you'd like to relive some

1712
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 2: of it, we'll have that for you coming up at

1713
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:58,719
Speaker 2: about fifteen minutes.

1714
01:26:58,760 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 3: A few other takeaways.

1715
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 2: We'll get to Duke Tobin, I think answered the most

1716
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 2: important question of the off season without really answering the

1717
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 2: most important question of the off season.

1718
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 3: And remember what Joe Burrows said when the season ended.

1719
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 2: We'll get to all of that, plus maybe take a

1720
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 2: look at some playoff games this weekend as well.

1721
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 3: But we have folks who have been waiting. I don't

1722
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 3: want to make people wait.

1723
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 2: That entire last hour was guest after guest after guest

1724
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 2: after get and good ones too, good ones too, so

1725
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 2: uh let's see here.

1726
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,839
Speaker 3: Mike. Mike, You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Mike, good afternoon.

1727
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 3: How are you.

1728
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 12: I'm good, How are you doing?

1729
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 3: Wonderful? Thanks for hanging on.

1730
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Speaker 9: You.

1731
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,919
Speaker 12: Recently acquired his shirt? Did I get answer? Your wardrobe

1732
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 12: or is it above your fireplace?

1733
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 2: Uh? But believe it or believe it or not. I

1734
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 2: wore it last night.

1735
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 12: That well, good, good on it.

1736
01:27:55,720 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 2: It's say no Ben, Everything's good, Everything's fine, all good.

1737
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 2: It's it's currently in the hamper, but I did wear

1738
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 2: it last night. Mike Football show t shirts.

1739
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 12: I wanted to comment on Duke's press conference. I don't

1740
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 12: think what he said kind of mattered. But the fact

1741
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 12: that the Bengal has been available for an hour I

1742
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 12: think said a lot. That they're feeling the pressure from

1743
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 12: the fan base, local media, pressing a big Duke available.

1744
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 12: So I think he might have said they're going to

1745
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 12: change things what they're doing, But that alone, to me,

1746
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 12: is enough to say there they feel the pressure. I

1747
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 12: feel that they're not comfortable right now. Him and Zach

1748
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 12: are both feeling it, and hopefully good things.

1749
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 9: Come from that.

1750
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, look what they did today is different.

1751
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 2: We can talk about how maybe they're not going to

1752
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 2: do anything different in the coming weeks and months as

1753
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:50,879
Speaker 2: it relates to building the roster. But but today was different,

1754
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 2: and today today I thought was refreshing Today. What they

1755
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 2: did today doesn't have to be an hour every year.

1756
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 2: In fact, it won't be an hour every year if

1757
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 2: occasionally he makes himself available. I don't know what the

1758
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 2: average NFL GM's availability is during the season, but I

1759
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 2: gather from just being a fan of the league that

1760
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 2: gms are made more available or available more.

1761
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 3: Frequently than Duke Tobin is.

1762
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 2: And so I guess what I would want to say

1763
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 2: to Duke was like, hey, was was that that bad?

1764
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 2: And what I would say to the people who run

1765
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 2: the Bengals is was that that bad?

1766
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 7: Like?

1767
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 3: Why?

1768
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 2: Why can't that happen more often? Why can't there be

1769
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 2: a little bit more transparency?

1770
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 3: Now.

1771
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 2: I didn't expect Duke to sort of unveil his plan,

1772
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 2: his roadmap for the entire offseason. I didn't expect Duke

1773
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 2: to say anything that's necessarily going to inspire a ton

1774
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:40,560
Speaker 2: of confidence.

1775
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 3: But the fact that he made.

1776
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 2: Himself available is different, and that may tell you that

1777
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 2: perhaps there is a little bit more discomfort in the

1778
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 2: walls of paikor stadium, then you might normally expect.

1779
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 3: And that's that, that in itself is not a terrible thing.

1780
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:58,679
Speaker 3: I'll say that.

1781
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 12: Thank you very much, Mike, thank you.

1782
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 2: I appreciate the appreciate the phone called. Poll questions up

1783
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1784
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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin's uh MEGA press conference made you feel. I

1788
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 2: just I realized I gotta do it again because I

1789
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 2: misspelled optimistic. All right, you are you are gonna you

1790
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna repost the poll question.

1791
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 2: Will we talked to another Mike? Mike, go ahead, you're

1792
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty. My good afternoon. How are you, Mike?

1793
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 3: Good afternoon? How are you?

1794
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 2: Mike is apparently not feeling all that great, because we

1795
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 2: don't hear from him one more time.

1796
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 3: Mike, how are you?

1797
01:30:58,920 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 13: My bad?

1798
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:00,440
Speaker 6: My bad?

1799
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 13: My bad?

1800
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 10: My dad?

1801
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 6: Sorry? Okay, how are you feeling?

1802
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 13: Brother?

1803
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 9: All right?

1804
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 3: I feel okay? Is everything all right?

1805
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 8: Well?

1806
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 7: It is?

1807
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 6: There's always something because my brain doesn't work like it

1808
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 6: used to anyway, neither is mine. Boy, that was some

1809
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 6: kind of that game last night. Couldn't ask for more?

1810
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 6: Couldn't ask for more?

1811
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 16: Now, let me ask you this, that final play, if

1812
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 16: that had been, if that had been somewhere between the

1813
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 16: fifteen and twenty yard line, they would have.

1814
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 2: Called it probably, And you said, you can't ask for

1815
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 2: anything more. And that's where I'll disagree with you, is

1816
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 2: you could ask for more because I hated a game

1817
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 2: that good, with that kind of stakes, that was played

1818
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 2: at the level that it was ended with some controversy.

1819
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 2: But I think that should have been past interference. I

1820
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 2: agree with you that I think there's a higher likelihood

1821
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 2: that that has pass interference. If that, if that, if

1822
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 2: that ball is thrown to a guy who's you know,

1823
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:02,599
Speaker 2: between the twenty and thirty.

1824
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 6: Yard line, yep, because then it's not considered a hail mary.

1825
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 6: And it really it was kind of like I heard

1826
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 6: Dan Patrick sayd it was kind of an intermediate hail mary. Yeah,

1827
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 6: I thought it was funny. But anyway, the guy was

1828
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:20,520
Speaker 6: grabbing and starting at the ten yard line, so it

1829
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 6: butn't like it was right at the very end. Who

1830
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 6: did you you give Pittsburgh a chance with against that

1831
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 6: vicious front, the best front for since Minnesota's Purple People

1832
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 6: Eaters that I can remember, or or the Steelers or

1833
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 6: the Bears, because they can always drop seven guys in

1834
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 6: coverage if they want.

1835
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 3: I give.

1836
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 2: I think the Texans are going to win. Houston's defense

1837
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:47,879
Speaker 2: toward the end of the season the last few games

1838
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 2: didn't play great, but it's still a good unit. They

1839
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 2: were awesome on the road this year, gave up fifteen

1840
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 2: and a half points a game. I know the Steelers

1841
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 2: are going to get Metcalf back, and so I think

1842
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 2: I think Houston wins because I just don't know how

1843
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh scores. That said, Houston's offensive line is not great.

1844
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 2: There is a level of offensive inconsistency that I think

1845
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 2: is troublesome if you're rooting against Pittsburgh and betting against

1846
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh the way I am. But Stroud has played well

1847
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 2: in the opening round of the playoffs in his first

1848
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 2: two years in the league, and I just I don't

1849
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,679
Speaker 2: know how Pittsburgh scores enough to win the football game

1850
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 2: against a Texans defense than when it has been at

1851
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 2: its best this season. Has been, for my money, the

1852
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 2: best in the league.

1853
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 6: You give the Chargers any glance of hope against New England,

1854
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 6: I think.

1855
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 2: New England wins, but because the Chargers offensive line issues,

1856
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 2: I think are going to catch up to him. But

1857
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 2: there is something about a young quarterback in his first

1858
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 2: playoff game that is not the most trustworthy. You know,

1859
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 2: folks are going to lean into the fact that the

1860
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 2: Patriots schedule was historically not great. I think New England wins,

1861
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 2: and I think the pay Patriots cover, but I could

1862
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 2: understand why one might one might pause because of a

1863
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 2: QB in his first playoff game when at times this

1864
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:16,480
Speaker 2: year there haven't been there's been a lack of explosiveness

1865
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,600
Speaker 2: with that offense. But I I think the Patriots are

1866
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 2: going to win, mainly because I don't know that the Chargers,

1867
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 2: with all the different offensive line combinations they've tried this year,

1868
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:27,639
Speaker 2: are going to be able to block anybody in the playoffs.

1869
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 2: And the first team they play in the playoffs is

1870
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 2: the Patriots.

1871
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 6: I think it's amazing that hardball. Of course, Austin hates

1872
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 6: Jim Hartball, which is unfounded, but anyway, everybody else likes

1873
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 6: the guy. Yeah, Austin and I had a little chat

1874
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 6: about that. That was pretty fun.

1875
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 2: But for what he do, by the way, I don't

1876
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 2: agree with you. I don't think every I don't. I

1877
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 2: don't think everybody else likes the guy.

1878
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 3: I don't.

1879
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 2: I don't agree. And he's a wonderful coach. He's an

1880
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 2: awesome coach. You can't deny that. But I'm not sure

1881
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,480
Speaker 2: he is as universally beloved as you might suggest.

1882
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 6: Well, who who's warm love and him? Or his brother?

1883
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 3: Oh, his brother?

1884
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 2: I think, I think, I think people like John Harball,

1885
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:13,520
Speaker 2: John John Harball seems like I can't recall one even remotely.

1886
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 2: I guess the one controversial thing he was involved in

1887
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,600
Speaker 2: was the Ray Rice deal in two thousand.

1888
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:20,679
Speaker 3: And fourteen or fifteen.

1889
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 2: And I don't think John Harball looked or that organization

1890
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 2: looked very good then. But in an eighteen year career,

1891
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,719
Speaker 2: and that's a big butt, but I don't I don't

1892
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 2: know in an eighteen year career that I can think

1893
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 2: of another time where John Harball has done something to

1894
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:39,839
Speaker 2: make him feel make him seem unlikable. And Jim Harball,

1895
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 2: Jim Harball is not as unlikable as he is, just

1896
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 2: a little weird and by the way, weird.

1897
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 3: It's not awful. I'm weird.

1898
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 2: He's goofy, but I John Harball has always seemed to

1899
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 2: have a warmer personality.

1900
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 3: Put it that way.

1901
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he's more business like. There's no question. So

1902
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,560
Speaker 6: what do you I'm losing it. I'm just give me

1903
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 6: a second.

1904
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 2: Mo uh oh, you think.

1905
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 6: Do you think Patino if he can go out and

1906
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 6: get him a big man somehow next year, that there

1907
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 6: their team because that's what they're lacking. They just don't

1908
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 6: have any size, right, that's the.

1909
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 2: Problem, which which Patino, Richard or Rick No, no, our guy?

1910
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 3: Uh well, I think he.

1911
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 2: I think he needs biggest caliber players across the board.

1912
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 2: You know, I just think he needs biggest caliber players

1913
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 2: across them. And I would be willing to bet that

1914
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 2: Richard would say the exact same thing, that those players

1915
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 2: do play hard, that there there's not a lot of

1916
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:53,759
Speaker 2: biggiest caliber players on that team. Yeah, Sonard, guys, guards,

1917
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 2: I appreciate the phone call, Mike, have a have a

1918
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 2: great weekend. There's just not a lot of big, big

1919
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 2: East caliber players on the roster. And they they do

1920
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 2: play hard, and they had that stretch where they were

1921
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 2: really rounding in the form sort of culminating with the

1922
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 2: skyline Chili Crosstown shootout. Biggie's play for the most part

1923
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 2: has been sobering. I think effort has been there. There's

1924
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 2: just look at them on the defensive end. Defensively against

1925
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 2: De Paul they were a disaster, and then on the

1926
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,679
Speaker 2: glass against Marquette they were even more of a disaster.

1927
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 2: And you know, Okay, those are deficiencies. Do they have

1928
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 2: enough offensive firepower to overcome it? And no they haven't.

1929
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 2: And you know that may sound harsh, but I don't

1930
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 2: know what other conclusion you could draw after watching this team,

1931
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 2: uh for slightly more than half the season sixteen minutes

1932
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 2: out of five o'clock bye. By the way, for what

1933
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 2: it's worth, that was past interference last night. There's some

1934
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 2: mutual contact as the two players are going down the field,

1935
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:01,879
Speaker 2: but as the ball gets there, the grabs the receiver's

1936
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 2: jersey and like yanks him down. I you know the replay,

1937
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 2: if you pay even remote attention to sports, you've seen

1938
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 2: the replay a bunch of times. That is pass interference

1939
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 2: one of my biggest pet peeves in all the sports.

1940
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 2: And when I was a younger guy, I would say this,

1941
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 2: Oh you don't. You don't blow the whistle there, You

1942
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 2: don't throw a flag there, Yeah, you do. The job

1943
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 2: of an official isn't to use discretion based on time

1944
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 2: and score and stakes. The job of an official or

1945
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 2: an umpire is when there are infractions, to call them

1946
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 2: independent of time, score, venue.

1947
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Speaker 3: What's at stake the job of an official.

1948
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Speaker 2: So I don't think it was I'm not throwing that

1949
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 2: flag because it's the last play of the game, but

1950
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 2: I would throw it when there's ten minutes to go

1951
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 2: in the second quarter. I think it was just a

1952
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 2: blown call. Pass interference calls are missed all the time.

1953
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 2: That was a missed pass interference call. And so what

1954
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 2: you hate about it is, you know, look, certain ole

1955
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,640
Speaker 2: miss is not guaranteed to win the game if the

1956
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,639
Speaker 2: call is correct, not like a fieldgal would have done

1957
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 2: him any good. And so they would have had to

1958
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 2: run a play not from the one yard line because

1959
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 2: it's the college rule. But that was past interference. And

1960
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 2: what you hate about it is that was a great game.

1961
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 2: That was a great physical, tense game where there were

1962
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 2: some great plays, there were some mistakes. It felt like

1963
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 2: Miami dropped like five picks last night, back and forth.

1964
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 2: You hate that a game ends like that with so

1965
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 2: much on the line, and by the way, a game

1966
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 2: ends like that where the loser has gone through so

1967
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 2: much because of their weird former head coach. You hate

1968
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 2: that a game ends like that on a play like

1969
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 2: that where it's controversial and far from the only football

1970
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 2: game that's ended with a controversial call or a non call.

1971
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 2: But that was by the book textbook interference wide receivers

1972
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 2: being pulled down by his jersey by the defender like

1973
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 2: that's as the ball gets there, that's past interference. Nineteen

1974
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 2: minutes after five o'clock, I got the poll question up

1975
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 2: because I correctly spelled the word optimistic at moegar thanks

1976
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Speaker 2: to United Heartland Insurance. Duke Tobin's mega press conference made

1977
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 2: you feel optimistic, pessimistic, or apathetic. Vote now at moegar.

1978
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 2: You'll hear Duke Tobin's greatest hits next on ESPN fifteen.

1979
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1988
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1989
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1990
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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty. Moeger, thanks for listening.

1992
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Speaker 2: Uh, Duke Topin talked earlier today for a press conference

1993
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 2: that lasted an hour, and like what that bad Duke

1994
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:21,599
Speaker 2: like the questions. I thought the questions that were asked

1995
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,960
Speaker 2: were fair. I thought the questions that were asked were

1996
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 2: were coming from a place of the people who asking

1997
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 2: them understanding what fans want to hear. I don't think

1998
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 2: anything was confrontational. I thought it was And by the

1999
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 2: way I thought, I don't think Duke was confrontational or

2000
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 2: standoff as you know, that was a Q and a

2001
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 2: I was a I thought that the tone was appropriate

2002
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 2: for a press conference involving an.

2003
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 3: Executive whose team failed this season.

2004
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 2: And yes, there were light moments, and that doesn't bother

2005
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:55,880
Speaker 2: me at all.

2006
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 3: I I don't know.

2007
01:41:57,800 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 2: That we got a ton out of it, But what

2008
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 2: the bad wasn't that bad at all, at least for

2009
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin. Now, some of the conclusions that you may

2010
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 2: draw from it are perhaps sobering and understandably so there

2011
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:12,600
Speaker 2: was a lot here, and so we'll just give you

2012
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:15,200
Speaker 2: some of the some of the highlights. Here is a

2013
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,600
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin stating his belief that the Bengals are a

2014
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:20,679
Speaker 2: championship team. But listen closely, go ahead.

2015
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 19: We still have a championship team in my mind. We

2016
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 19: have elite, world class players. We had a lot of

2017
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:31,919
Speaker 19: challenges this year, a lot of challenges. We didn't navigate

2018
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 19: them effectively enough. We navigated some of them as effectively

2019
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 19: as you could, and then we had challenges elsewhere when

2020
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 19: you lose your quarterback.

2021
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,680
Speaker 13: We have a quarterback that we.

2022
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:50,639
Speaker 19: Have taken great pains in building an offense around and

2023
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 19: four and it does and that offense took steps this

2024
01:42:55,400 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 19: year without him, and so with him, we feel like

2025
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,720
Speaker 19: that is starting to just hit its stride. With the

2026
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:06,760
Speaker 19: way the offensive line came on, with the way the

2027
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:10,680
Speaker 19: running game came on, I would tell you that I

2028
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:13,240
Speaker 19: saw things this year that I wouldn't have thought I

2029
01:43:13,240 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 19: would ever see somebody walk into the building two days

2030
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 19: before a game, pick up an incredibly complex offense, go

2031
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:24,439
Speaker 19: out with people he just shook hands with and make

2032
01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 19: it work.

2033
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:26,360
Speaker 13: That is amazing.

2034
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 19: You know, you know people from Afar because they're in

2035
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:33,280
Speaker 19: the same industry as you, and I know Joe Flacco

2036
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:36,559
Speaker 19: from Afar. But when you meet him and get to

2037
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:40,599
Speaker 19: appreciate what he's all about and what he accomplished here

2038
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 19: in such a short time and then go out and

2039
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:46,639
Speaker 19: have an injury, not be able to practice and still

2040
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 19: go out and produce, that.

2041
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 13: Speaks to him.

2042
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 19: It also speaks to our coaches and how they are

2043
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 19: able to immediately pivot and regenerate something that gave us

2044
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:03,559
Speaker 19: a chance. Other parts of the team then decided it

2045
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 19: wasn't going to give us a chance, and that's on me.

2046
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 13: That's on me.

2047
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 19: But there are things that worked and things that show me, hey,

2048
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:14,759
Speaker 19: we've got the right people in this building.

2049
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 2: So Duke Tobin just said at the beginning of that

2050
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 2: that he believes the Bengals have a championship team. He

2051
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 2: then spent the next sixty seconds talking only about the offense.

2052
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 2: Taran pointed that out. He starts it by talking, we

2053
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 2: have a championship team. We believe, Well, if you believe

2054
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 2: you have a championship team, then you talk about like

2055
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 2: all parts of the team. They do have a championship

2056
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:48,759
Speaker 2: offense like they have, for my money, still the best

2057
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 2: in the league at playing the quarterback position. They have

2058
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 2: elite weaponry, good offensive line. Yes, that is they have

2059
01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 2: a championship offense. They have nothing resembling a championship team.

2060
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin earlier today. One of the questions Duke was

2061
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 2: asked about adding scouts this offseason, go ahead and hit.

2062
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 19: It the specifics of the offseason. We're still going through

2063
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:16,839
Speaker 19: that right now. We're still debriefing the season. We're still

2064
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 19: analyzing each and every player on our roster where the

2065
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 19: needs are. We have a good feeling for where that is.

2066
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:27,720
Speaker 19: I wouldn't outline exactly we're going to bring in you know,

2067
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:31,400
Speaker 19: Paul over here and he's going to play you know,

2068
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 19: three technique for us. We have a very good idea

2069
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:38,000
Speaker 19: of where the needs are on our football team and

2070
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 19: we're going to attack them from a personnel standpoint. Our

2071
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 19: coaches during the season did a great job in what

2072
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:47,120
Speaker 19: we were asking the players to do.

2073
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:52,680
Speaker 13: They made changes in how we were going.

2074
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 19: About it, and it worked on that side, on the

2075
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 19: defensive side of the ball, and honestly it worked on

2076
01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 19: the offensive side of the ball.

2077
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 13: So we had some nimble during the season.

2078
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 19: In terms of our scouting staff, our scouting staff, in

2079
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:11,639
Speaker 19: my opinion, is it is the size that it is

2080
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:14,879
Speaker 19: because I think the collaboration is.

2081
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 13: Better at that size.

2082
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 19: We have never lacked for information on a player. There's

2083
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:24,679
Speaker 19: never been a player selected that we didn't know anything about.

2084
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 19: There's never been a player selected that we didn't have

2085
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 19: multiple reports and large background on. It's not about the

2086
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:35,679
Speaker 19: volume of information we have. If we make a mistake,

2087
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:39,799
Speaker 19: it's because at the decision point we made the wrong decision.

2088
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,679
Speaker 19: But it wasn't because we didn't have information on the player.

2089
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 19: We have information, and we have plenty of opinion on

2090
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 19: the player, you know, and we've made a lot of

2091
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:54,280
Speaker 19: good picks. I get that people are don't believe we've

2092
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:56,920
Speaker 19: made any good picks. We've made a lot of good

2093
01:46:56,960 --> 01:47:00,559
Speaker 19: picks on our current roster, on past ross and there

2094
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:02,559
Speaker 19: will be more on future rosters.

2095
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:03,680
Speaker 13: I really believe that.

2096
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:06,960
Speaker 3: It's interesting.

2097
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 2: It's only one guy I would love to know what

2098
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:15,640
Speaker 2: the information was about Jermaine Burton. Okay, you got a

2099
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 2: lot of what what what information compelled you to go? Yeah,

2100
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:19,639
Speaker 2: let's take that dude.

2101
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:24,479
Speaker 3: Uh. Here's more. Uh. I don't know how you'll hear this.

2102
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:28,599
Speaker 2: This is a duke uh where you might and some

2103
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 2: have theorized that he is perhaps taking a shot at

2104
01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:31,719
Speaker 2: his quarterback.

2105
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 3: Here's Duke Tobin from earlier today.

2106
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 19: Well, it's the Bengals and uh and when we don't

2107
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 19: win a championship, that's the only thing that I'm after

2108
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:46,720
Speaker 19: is a championship. It's not it's not any individuals in

2109
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:51,160
Speaker 19: this buildings championship. It's the Cincinnati Bengals championship. And that's

2110
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:54,679
Speaker 19: really the only definition of success that that I have.

2111
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:58,960
Speaker 19: I don't have a definition of success of making the

2112
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:02,639
Speaker 19: playoffs or doing X, Y or Z. It's the it's

2113
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 19: the team that has the positive feeling at the end

2114
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 19: of the season. That's the only thing that I'm chasing.

2115
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 19: That's what we want. We want it for all of

2116
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 19: our players, we want it for all of our staff.

2117
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:17,599
Speaker 13: You know.

2118
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:22,600
Speaker 19: We we have set our team up for Joe in

2119
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 19: a way that we feel is pretty darn good. And

2120
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 19: there are resources on the team that we've expended on that.

2121
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 19: So when you spend sixty sixty five percent or whatever

2122
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 19: it is on offense of your cap it's going to

2123
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 19: affect the other parts of your team. We know that

2124
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 19: we have to find solutions that fit into that that

2125
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 19: then produce on the other side of the ball, and

2126
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 19: we will.

2127
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 3: I did a poor job of setting that up.

2128
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:55,479
Speaker 2: Duke was asking, answering a question about you know, I

2129
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 2: think it was posed by James, you know, referencing the window,

2130
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:02,559
Speaker 2: the championship window with Burrow and Chase and Higgins in

2131
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 2: their primes, and that that answer didn't bother me a ton,

2132
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 2: because I don't think he's wrong.

2133
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think the explanation is wrong.

2134
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 2: Now, the the execution of his ideas and what he's

2135
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:18,759
Speaker 2: trying to accomplish that obviously hasn't worked. I don't expect

2136
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 2: the person in charge of a roster to ever talk

2137
01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 2: about certain championship windows. I don't expect Duke Tobin to

2138
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:29,280
Speaker 2: talk specifically about winning while Burrow as the quarterback, because

2139
01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:32,320
Speaker 2: if you do that, you know, then you're you could

2140
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:35,200
Speaker 2: you could then assume that, well, we don't. We can't

2141
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:37,640
Speaker 2: win a championship once Joe's done.

2142
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 3: If that makes sense. One more this I like this answer. Here.

2143
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,800
Speaker 3: Here's Duke on drafting players.

2144
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 2: For drafting players with the idea that they're ultimately going

2145
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 2: to sign second contracts.

2146
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 13: Again year over year.

2147
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 19: You can't build your team in free agency. It's just

2148
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:58,639
Speaker 19: not a sustainable process. You have to have your young

2149
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:02,559
Speaker 19: guys come on, have to and whether it's a one

2150
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 19: year progression, two year progression, three year progression, those guys

2151
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 19: have to come on. If they don't come on, that's

2152
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:11,760
Speaker 19: my fault. We've taken the wrong guys. You know, we're

2153
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:16,160
Speaker 19: no longer drafting guys for second contracts and so forth.

2154
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 19: We need guys that come in and can give us

2155
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 19: some help right away and then grow into bigger roles quickly.

2156
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 19: We need that. That's what every team needs. And every

2157
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:31,680
Speaker 19: team has A players, B players, and C players, and

2158
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,320
Speaker 19: you need your C players to be able to fill

2159
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:37,839
Speaker 19: those roles effectively enough so your A and B players

2160
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:40,840
Speaker 19: can have success. And we've got to do a better

2161
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:44,080
Speaker 19: job in all three of those levels. On defense, and

2162
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 19: that is something that we're focused on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a Duke Tobyn and it's not that they

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01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 2: don't want to sign players they draft to second contracts.

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Speaker 2: But I think the point is, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: an important one, they need draft picks who can come

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Speaker 2: in and play and help immediately. I've said this a

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Speaker 2: few different times. I don't think this is a developmental league.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Players are supposed to get better, and you can draft

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Speaker 2: some guys in later rounds that you go, okay, have

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Speaker 2: them as a part of our organization and develop them

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Speaker 2: into you know, starting caliber players. But you need dudes

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Speaker 2: in this day and age, this is a cheap labor league.

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Speaker 2: You need guys who can hit the ground running. You

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Speaker 2: need a rookie draft class that can fill roles and

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Speaker 2: fill holes immediately, especially when, especially when you're a bad team.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing when you're coming off with Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: appearance and you can stash tax Hill. It's something else

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Speaker 2: entirely when you haven't made the playoffs in a couple

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Speaker 2: of years and you have major, major holes to fill.

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Speaker 2: You can't afford to draft players who don't help you

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Speaker 2: for three years down the road. It's great that that

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three draft class has has played.

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Speaker 3: Better in twenty twenty five, just it took way too long.

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Speaker 3: You can't.

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Speaker 2: You can't have red shirt seasons anymore with first round

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Speaker 2: draft choices. You need those guys, So I appreciate that answer.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna work because it hasn't

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Speaker 2: worked a lot here recently with Douke Tobin's draft classes.

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Speaker 2: UH twenty five away from six o'clock. Five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty is our phone number. This is

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 5: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 11: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center.

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Speaker 8: UC Help's Weight Loss Center offers surgical and medical obesity

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Speaker 8: care and expertise called five one three nine three nine

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Speaker 8: two two sixty three. That's nine three nine two two

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Speaker 8: sixty three southbound seventy one. An accident has been cleared away.

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Speaker 8: It was before four seventy one. It's a little bit

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Speaker 8: of slow traffic on southbound seventy one to seventy five

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Speaker 8: between Fort Washington Waite and Kyle's Lane at two minute

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Speaker 8: delay and northbound seventy five another slow down from Norwood

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Speaker 8: Lateral to Paddock.

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Speaker 11: I'm at Eazelic with traffic.

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Speaker 2: Sports Headlines are a service that Kelsey Chevrolet Home of

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Speaker 2: lifetime powertrain protection, the guarantee credit approval from their family

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Speaker 2: to yours for life Kelsey chev dot com. Duke Tobin

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Speaker 2: reminded everyone today that he traded for Joe Flacco. Held

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Speaker 2: a season ending press conference today. The large takeaway for

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Speaker 2: most is no major changes to how they do things,

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Speaker 2: by the way, really quickly. Ben Baby of ESPN tweeted this,

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Speaker 2: which I think is interesting. So at the end of

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Speaker 2: the season, Joe Burrow talked about how things need to change.

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Speaker 2: Something needs to change, Duke Tobin said, what needs to

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Speaker 2: change is our record.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting, at least to me.

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Speaker 2: College football tonight, it's the Peach Bowl College Football Playoff

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Speaker 2: National Semifinal. It's Indiana and Oregon. That game is going

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Speaker 2: to kick off a little bit after seven to thirty.

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Speaker 2: Winner battles Miami in the national title game a week

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Speaker 2: from Monday. College basketball Tonight on ESPN fifteenth. He already

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Speaker 2: NKU the first of two games in Wisconsin this weekend,

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Speaker 2: the Norse Battle Milwaukee Tonight. That game tips off at

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Speaker 2: seven pm right here on ESPN fifteen thirty Tomorrow, it's

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Speaker 2: a Xavier hosting Providence. Kentucky is taking on Old Miss

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Speaker 2: That XU game is at four o'clock tomorrow on seven

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Speaker 2: hundred WLW. The Kentucky game against Mississippi State tips off

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Speaker 2: at excuse me, eight thirty on ESPN fifteen thirty. Also

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Speaker 2: this evening, they're about twenty minutes away from tip off

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Speaker 2: in Toledo, the Miami RedHawks trying to stay unbeaten, battling

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Speaker 2: the Toledo Rockets. You see is at UCF on Sunday

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Speaker 2: at five on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 3: As well, what else did I have?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Hockey tonight the Cyclones play, and I did not jot

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Speaker 2: down I think they play the see now because I

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Speaker 2: am a stickler for detail and I want to give

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Speaker 2: the proper information. I don't want to just say that

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Speaker 2: the Cyclones play tonight. No, they play Fort Wayne Fort

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Speaker 2: Wayne tonight. Downtown puck drops at seven point thirty. The

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Speaker 2: Fort Wayne comments, and that game's at Fort Wayne. It's

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Speaker 2: not downtown.

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 2: I said, H'm a stickler for detail, didn't know who

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Speaker 2: they're playing and got the location of the game wrong.

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Speaker 2: The Cyclones are playing at Fort Wayne. You are more

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Speaker 2: than welcome to drive to Fort Wayne to go see

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Speaker 2: that game. At Fort Wayne's a couple hours away, maybe

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Speaker 2: make it by the second period. The Cyclones are on

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Speaker 2: the road tonight against Fort Wayne, playing at historic Allen

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Speaker 2: County War Memorial Coliseum.

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Speaker 3: That part I knew. Remember it's our first Friday show

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Speaker 3: since August nineteen. Away from six o'clock.

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Speaker 9: It'll get easier.

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Speaker 3: You remember how to do this.

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Speaker 2: I will remember how to do this by next Friday.

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01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:53,000
Speaker 2: Next Friday is going to be a good show. We

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Speaker 2: needed a Friday dress rehearsal, and today is that. I

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Speaker 2: hope everybody's enjoying it. The reaction of Kelsey Conway to

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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin when we come back on ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 5: Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 8: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center. UC Help's Weight

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Speaker 8: Loss Center offers surgical and medical obesity care and expertise.

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Speaker 8: Call five one three nine three nine two two sixty three.

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Speaker 8: That's nine three nine two two sixty three southbound seventy

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Speaker 8: one seventy five after twelve. They it's a disabled car

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Speaker 8: hauler that is off onto the right shoulder. A little

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Speaker 8: bit of slow traffic right now on southbound seventy five

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Speaker 8: between Freeman and Fort Washington Way, looking at a minute

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Speaker 8: or two worth of delays to get through there. I'm

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Speaker 8: at Eazeleic with traffic.

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Speaker 3: This report and thirteen from US six o'clock. This is

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty Malwager. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear Kelsey Conway from The Inquirer on the Duke

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Speaker 2: Tobin press conference in just a second.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget all weekend long.

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Speaker 2: You could hear the NFL playoffs on Fox Sports thirteen

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Speaker 2: sixty two games tomorrow, three on Sunday, then one more

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Speaker 2: on Monday. By the way, I'm gonna do this. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna do this. We didn't do Locks of the Night

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Speaker 2: on since E three to sixty at all this season.

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Speaker 2: But it's the playoffs, man, I can't help myself. I

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Speaker 2: like La. Look, Carolina won the first matchup, which was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Fourth worst point differential of any playoff team ever. Ever,

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Speaker 2: the three worst each won their first playoff game. That

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Speaker 2: trend is not going to continue. As long as the

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Speaker 2: Rams don't screw up on special teams. I think they win.

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Speaker 2: I think they cover the big number. I also like

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Speaker 2: the Packers against Chicago. That is not an exceptionally efficient

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Speaker 2: Chicago defense. I like Caleb Williams always a little bit

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Speaker 2: wary about quarterbacks. In their first playoff start. Number seven

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Speaker 2: Seeds are one in nine since the NFL decided to

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Speaker 2: expand the postseason. I think Packers make it two to nine.

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Speaker 2: They've got playoff experience. Green Bay did lead in the

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Speaker 2: final minutes of both games against Chicago this season. I've

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Speaker 2: got Jacksonville to reach the Super Bowl at plus five

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Speaker 2: point fifty. Yet the Dogs against Buffalo, obviously, I think

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Speaker 2: they win that one. I think the perfect the perfect

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Speaker 2: elixir when you have a beating up defense that isn't

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Speaker 2: great is Philadelphia's offense right now at FanDuel I can

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Speaker 2: get five and a half points with San Francisco, I'll

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Speaker 2: take it. The Chargers offensive line is a mess. New

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Speaker 2: England's very physical. I'll lay the three and a half

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Speaker 2: points with New England and we'll talk about Monday Night's

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Speaker 2: game on Monday. I also do like Indiana. The Hoosiers

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Speaker 2: rush defense and the fact that they in the first

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Speaker 2: matchup against Oregon they sacked Dante more six times. I

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Speaker 2: just the Hoosiers have a better roster. The number has

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Speaker 2: climbed to four it some books. Fandel still has it

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Speaker 2: at three and a half. I'm not sure I'm laying four.

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Speaker 2: I will lay three and a half with the Hoosiers tonight.

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Speaker 2: Kelsey Conway of The Inquirer in Cincinnati dot com, what

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Speaker 2: was your big takeaway from the Duke Tobin press conference?

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Speaker 4: Bengals fans should prepare for more of the same.

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Speaker 2: Sadly kind of mine as well, right, because I heard

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Speaker 2: I heard a lot of references to successes of the past,

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Speaker 2: as limited as they may be. I didn't hear anything

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Speaker 2: indicating reflection and using that reflection to maybe pivot in

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Speaker 2: a different direction philosophically or structurally, or from an urgency perspective.

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Speaker 2: I walked away from it thinking that if you went

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Speaker 2: into that press conference as a fan, thinking, you know what,

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Speaker 2: maybe we'll find out that things are going to be

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Speaker 2: done a little bit differently here. You walked away from

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Speaker 2: that press conference disappointed.

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Speaker 4: So I'm glad that I'm coming on to be able

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Speaker 4: to talk with you about this because we in the

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Speaker 4: last couple of years, you and I have had a

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Speaker 4: chance to talk about this on air when I've been

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Speaker 4: at the Senior Bowl with Duke, and the more I

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Speaker 4: thought about it after time had passed, after the press conference,

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Speaker 4: the more I felt it was very similar to my

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Speaker 4: Q and A with him that I did Inmobile last year.

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Speaker 4: And the big takeaway, the two big takeaways that I

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Speaker 4: had is that Duke Cobin said he's frustrated. He feels

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Speaker 4: the fans disappointment. Nobody feels it more than him. He

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Speaker 4: wants to win all of that. But for two years

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Speaker 4: in a row now, he said the same thing to me.

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Speaker 5: He said he's down on.

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Speaker 4: The team's ability to finish games. So he said that

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Speaker 4: to me last year. I wrote it in a story

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Speaker 4: that was on the enquire and he said it Saane's

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Speaker 4: press conference that the thing that irked him most was

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Speaker 4: the team's inability to finish games in those one score games.

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Speaker 4: And for that to be his message two years in

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Speaker 4: a row makes me believe that he thinks that the

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Speaker 4: roster is good enough and that the reason that they're

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Speaker 4: not winning those one score games maybe isn't a talent

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Speaker 4: acquisition issue. It's more of a coaching mentality, a locker

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Speaker 4: room mentality issue. And to me, for that to be

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Speaker 4: the same thing in back to back years that he

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Speaker 4: thinks is the issue is a little concerning because it's

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Speaker 4: all about do you have enough good players to win

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Speaker 4: those one score games, and they don't, and they haven't

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Speaker 4: for two years in a row. So I thought he

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Speaker 4: would maybe take a messaging point of you know, we're

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Speaker 4: going to do everything we can to build a championship

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Speaker 4: caliber defense for Joe Burrow, But he didn't say any

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Speaker 4: of that. You know, expect them to add they are

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Speaker 4: going to add players in free agency on defense. He

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Speaker 4: said we need to get better on defense. But he

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Speaker 4: also said we're emerging on defense, and you know, talked

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Speaker 4: on and on about the talent on offense. And these

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Speaker 4: are all the same things he said to me last year.

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Speaker 4: So I walked away wondering what exactly will be different,

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Speaker 4: and if I think that, I would assume all the

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Speaker 4: fans think that. And he also said they're not going

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Speaker 4: to add to the scouting department. So there were multiple

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Speaker 4: times for him to say in point to certain things

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Speaker 4: he's going to change, and he didn't. So that leads

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Speaker 4: me to believe, yes, they might add a couple of

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Speaker 4: more free agents on defense this year, but if you're

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Speaker 4: expecting sweeping changes in the organization, I would just say

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Speaker 4: temper your expectation to the fans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was. It was exactly my takeaway

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Speaker 2: from it. And it's interesting, you know, I heard Duke

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Speaker 2: talk about on a number of occasions today the one

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Speaker 2: score games. Excuse me, that the games that got away

2380
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Speaker 2: from them late right where they blew or couldn't get

2381
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:26,240
Speaker 2: back into or tried to come back and couldn't finit whatever.

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Speaker 2: It was a lot of games they lost by not

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Speaker 2: being able to make plays late in the game. And

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Speaker 2: I guess, on one hand, you could say, well, that's

2385
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Speaker 2: that's the arrow, that's the finger being pointed at the coaches.

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Speaker 2: I kind of go, he's pointing at the players, and Duke,

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Speaker 2: those are your players, right.

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Speaker 4: No, No, for that to be the message point in

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02:02:45,880 --> 02:02:50,520
Speaker 4: back to back years is very weird. And I would

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Speaker 4: also point to I asked him who has control over

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02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:57,560
Speaker 4: the fifty three man roster, because obviously his title is

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02:02:57,640 --> 02:03:00,600
Speaker 4: director of personnel, But you know, and now about what's

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Speaker 4: going on with the Bengals in the front office and

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02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:05,680
Speaker 4: the structure with Mike Brown being involved, that yes, Duke

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02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:09,080
Speaker 4: Cobin is in charge of the roster, but there are

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Speaker 4: things that Mike Brown is still involved in and Dak

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Speaker 4: Taylor is involved, And so I just wanted to point blank,

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Speaker 4: ask him, are you the one responsible for that roster

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Speaker 4: of those players that aren't making enough plays in one

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02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:22,120
Speaker 4: score game that we're talking about, and he said, yes,

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Speaker 4: well I do get you know, say of where we

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02:03:25,040 --> 02:03:27,240
Speaker 4: go and pointing us in the right direction. But he

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02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:32,320
Speaker 4: kept using the term collaboration. And if there was a

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02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:34,520
Speaker 4: if there would have been more of an opportunity to

2405
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:36,680
Speaker 4: ask follow ups because there was plenty of reporters there.

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02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:42,480
Speaker 4: My question would have been too much collaboration? Could that

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02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:45,840
Speaker 4: be a disadvantage of disadvantage for you and in you

2408
02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:48,760
Speaker 4: not having a clear cut direction of this is exactly

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02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:50,680
Speaker 4: where we need to go with an example of too

2410
02:03:50,720 --> 02:03:53,920
Speaker 4: many cooks in the kitchen. And it doesn't seem like

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02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:57,200
Speaker 4: I didn't leave the press confer today knowing any more

2412
02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:00,680
Speaker 4: about who exactly makes the final call when it comes

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02:04:00,720 --> 02:04:03,800
Speaker 4: to the Bengals roster. So with all of that to

2414
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:06,760
Speaker 4: be said, like I still leave with plenty of questions

2415
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:09,440
Speaker 4: about how things are being run in the Bengals front office.

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02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:11,760
Speaker 4: And when you have that many questions, it's hard to

2417
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:16,040
Speaker 4: believe that success could be definitely on its way. They

2418
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:18,600
Speaker 4: might get lucky, but I don't think that there's going

2419
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:21,040
Speaker 4: to be a whole lot of things done differently to

2420
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:24,360
Speaker 4: ensure any Bengals fans that yes, they are going to

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02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:26,440
Speaker 4: be better on defense this year.

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Speaker 2: So the part of the press conference that in that

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Speaker 2: regard specifically confused me is Duke was asked, and off

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Speaker 2: the top of my head, I don't remember who asked

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02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:39,520
Speaker 2: the question, so my apologies for that, and I'm paraphrasing

2426
02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:42,640
Speaker 2: the exchange, but he was asked at one point like, yeah,

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02:04:42,640 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 2: there's collaboration, but at some point, like, there's got to

2428
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:48,080
Speaker 2: be the person who says, this is what we're doing. Right,

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02:04:48,600 --> 02:04:53,720
Speaker 2: in any collaborative setting, there's someone who decides, once and

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Speaker 2: for all.

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Speaker 3: Here's what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: And he kind of shot that down and said essentially like, well,

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02:04:58,000 --> 02:04:59,040
Speaker 2: it never really gets to that.

2434
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah it does.

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02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:04,280
Speaker 2: Someone someone decides we're taking and I think the example

2436
02:05:04,360 --> 02:05:07,960
Speaker 2: used was Amarus Mims. Someone makes the final decision, we're

2437
02:05:07,960 --> 02:05:11,480
Speaker 2: gonna take Shamar Stewart. Someone makes the final decision we're

2438
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:13,720
Speaker 2: gonna go with Geno Stone and not sign the safety.

2439
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:17,200
Speaker 2: And so I walked away from it, just like you.

2440
02:05:17,280 --> 02:05:20,600
Speaker 2: As unclear as ever as to who has final say,

2441
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:24,280
Speaker 2: because he said when it comes to having a final say, basically,

2442
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:25,800
Speaker 2: those situations don't arise.

2443
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:31,440
Speaker 4: How is that the case, Well, those situations do arise.

2444
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:34,240
Speaker 4: I've talked to you enough people off the record to

2445
02:05:34,360 --> 02:05:37,120
Speaker 4: know that there are very much instances where the coaches

2446
02:05:37,200 --> 02:05:40,040
Speaker 4: want this player and you know, personnel might not see

2447
02:05:40,040 --> 02:05:41,800
Speaker 4: it that way. And there's also the factor of you

2448
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:44,040
Speaker 4: have to loop ownership in. Are they willing to just

2449
02:05:44,040 --> 02:05:48,960
Speaker 4: shout the money for this player so that whole operation

2450
02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:51,600
Speaker 4: doesn't I didn't get any clarity that I was hoping to,

2451
02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:53,680
Speaker 4: And of course they're not gonna tell us everything, right,

2452
02:05:53,680 --> 02:05:55,880
Speaker 4: They're allowed to keep some things in house. But I

2453
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:58,280
Speaker 4: was hoping that by asking that it would maybe clear

2454
02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:02,000
Speaker 4: up something with for fans to wonder, you know, at

2455
02:06:02,040 --> 02:06:04,240
Speaker 4: the end of the day, this person is responsible for

2456
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:06,320
Speaker 4: the roster, and Duke did say I need to do

2457
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:09,400
Speaker 4: a better job of pointing us in the great direction

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02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:14,680
Speaker 4: in that aspect. But the other main takeaway that I

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02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:18,240
Speaker 4: had was I felt like, and I've felt this way

2460
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Speaker 4: for a couple of years now with the Bengals in totality,

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Speaker 4: I think they too much live in the world of

2462
02:06:25,160 --> 02:06:28,680
Speaker 4: talking and acting in a way that they're just stuck

2463
02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:31,880
Speaker 4: on the fact that they were very successful for two years,

2464
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Speaker 4: and he spoke a lot of times about I understand

2465
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Speaker 4: he wants to show he has confidence in his scouting staff.

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Speaker 4: I get it, but he went out of his way

2467
02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:45,080
Speaker 4: to kind of make comments to you know, alluding to

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Speaker 4: the same scouting staff that made that great free agent

2469
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Speaker 4: class in twenty twenty one work. I just think that

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Speaker 4: there's too much talk and the way that they operate

2471
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:57,120
Speaker 4: about what happened with the Bengals when they got really

2472
02:06:57,200 --> 02:06:59,960
Speaker 4: lucky in that twenty one and twenty twenty two season,

2473
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Speaker 4: And I left thinking, how are we still talking about

2474
02:07:03,960 --> 02:07:06,760
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two, Like they're so

2475
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:09,880
Speaker 4: far removed from that. It just left me wondering, like

2476
02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:14,320
Speaker 4: is it still the whole We did this one time

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02:07:14,480 --> 02:07:17,760
Speaker 4: so we can do it again. Like I still just

2478
02:07:17,800 --> 02:07:20,200
Speaker 4: think overall, the Bengals still live in a world too

2479
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:23,120
Speaker 4: much where just because they did it those two years

2480
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:26,880
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that you can't approach, you know, the ensuing

2481
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Speaker 4: years that same way. You have to change, you have

2482
02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:31,840
Speaker 4: to evolve, And I feel like they kind of still

2483
02:07:31,880 --> 02:07:34,160
Speaker 4: live in the days where they were really successful those

2484
02:07:34,160 --> 02:07:36,760
Speaker 4: two years, and they think that kind of absolved a

2485
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:39,200
Speaker 4: lot of their issues. And I just I'm just not

2486
02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:41,840
Speaker 4: sure that that that's the right approach, because every other

2487
02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:44,800
Speaker 4: NFL team operates every year the new league year. What

2488
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:47,200
Speaker 4: are we going to do to go win another championship?

2489
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Speaker 4: They're not still talking about the super Bowl that they

2490
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Speaker 4: lost four years ago.

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Speaker 2: That's Kelsey Conway from The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com

2492
02:07:57,120 --> 02:07:59,960
Speaker 2: an the im mediate aftermath of the Oketoben press conference

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Speaker 2: earlier today. The music means we are done. Thank you

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Speaker 2: to Tarren Bland for producing, Thanks to you for listening.

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Speaker 2: Have the greatest weekend of your life. We'll talk to

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