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Speaker 1: Sid out a month. Can the Penguin survive?

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Speaker 2: Joining me not to discuss the assistant sports editor for

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Speaker 2: The trib and longtime hockey writer Jonathan Bombowie JB.

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Speaker 1: That's the question, Azure.

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Speaker 2: Can the Penguin survive and make the playoffs with Crosby

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Speaker 2: on for at least four weeks?

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Speaker 1: What has to happen?

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Speaker 3: Well, the first thing is, I think they're better prepared

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Speaker 3: this year to handle something like this than they have

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Speaker 3: been at the past because of the way Dan News

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Speaker 3: has been using his forwards. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 3: at it, he's and this might also have to do

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Speaker 3: with the fact that the fourth line has been really good,

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Speaker 3: and so he's not afraid to put that fourth line

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Speaker 3: out there, but he rolls his four lines, you know,

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Speaker 3: more evenly than Mike Sullivan did. I mean, I looked

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Speaker 3: at the numbers and at five on five, Sid's playing

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Speaker 3: about a minute less per game, just five on five,

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Speaker 3: leaving special teams out of it this year than last year.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think five on five a minute a

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Speaker 3: game is somewhat significant. So they're they're they're less of

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Speaker 3: a one line team than they have been in the past,

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Speaker 3: So that's somewhat encouraging the division. We've been saying all year.

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Speaker 3: I mean, who's going to get on a heater and

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Speaker 3: come flying past you in the standings. Columbus, the Flyers.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Washington because because I could see them smelling the

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Speaker 2: blood and sensing opportunity as a veteran team with guys

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Speaker 2: who have you know, have been playoff tested.

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Speaker 1: But even them, I don't have that much faith in.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: Devils have a lot of talent, but they're twelve points

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Speaker 3: behind the Penguins right now with a game in hand.

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Speaker 3: Capitals are interesting. The bigger question about the Capitals is

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Speaker 3: maybe last year was the fluke with the Capitals, not

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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 2: But I think last year was the last gasp with

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Speaker 2: Ov chasing Gretzky, and I don't think they're that team

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Speaker 2: even that team anymore.

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Speaker 3: And they got great goaltending, so you know that helped too.

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Speaker 3: So you take those two things into consideration. That means

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Speaker 3: has been rolling lines pretty evenly and that the division

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Speaker 3: is underwhelming. It gives you. It gives you optimism that

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Speaker 3: they can get through these next four months.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's I could give you red flags too,

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Speaker 3: but I mean, you know, I we'll give me a

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Speaker 3: red flag go ahead. The biggest one is center. I

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Speaker 3: mean their center depth is not good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're moving Ricky Rax to center, and I don't

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Speaker 2: see it. I'm not dismissing it, but I don't see it.

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Speaker 3: I understand why you try it because you don't want to,

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Speaker 3: and I don't you know, can Malcolm play center? Can

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Speaker 3: he physically play center?

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Speaker 2: I think he's a liability in the neutral zone at

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Speaker 2: center and really has been for quite some time, and

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Speaker 2: he's producing it wings, So I leave him right there.

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Speaker 3: And you don't want to mess with that combination with

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Speaker 3: Sinakavon Novak. When you have an injury, you want to

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Speaker 3: try to disrupt a few parts of your lineup as possible.

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Speaker 3: So that's the idea of you move r Kel to

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Speaker 3: center and bring up the hot hand in haze and

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Speaker 3: just try to, you know, disrupt only one line basically

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Speaker 1: And see how it works.

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Speaker 2: You're not married to that, but I would be tempted

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Speaker 2: to put kindle between Rust and Raquel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, elevating kendall Is is definitely an option,

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Speaker 3: and then you're hurting your third line, I mean part

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Speaker 3: of the well. That's another reason that that news has

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Speaker 3: been able to roll his lines like he has all

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Speaker 3: year is because he could trust his third line all

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Speaker 3: year with Kendall. And if you, you know, you move

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Speaker 3: him up to your top line, then your your third

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Speaker 3: line takes a huge hit without kendle On it a

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Speaker 3: huge hit, and then whom centers it like, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's why Malkin might wind up back at

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Speaker 2: center if the if the raquel gambit doesn't work. But

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Speaker 2: one thing I would look at is and I I mean,

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't make a big trade to try to patch work,

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Speaker 2: would you, because I I just don't think the building

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Speaker 2: process is at that point yet. I think you're looking

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Speaker 2: at most at one playoff series win this year, and

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Speaker 2: it's it's not worth sacrificing anything moving forward to have

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Speaker 3: To me, yeah, I understand what you're saying. I do

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Speaker 3: feel like it would be like, can you imagine it

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Speaker 3: being April first and you're still in playoff contention and

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Speaker 3: Sid's back. There'd be a lot of optimism and excitement

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Speaker 2: So I think they can do that with what they

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Speaker 3: Maybe you know. To me, the one thing that the

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Speaker 3: Penguins have that they can that won't sort of mortgage

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Speaker 3: or leverage. Their future is cap space. So if there

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Speaker 3: were to be a you know, a skilled centerman type,

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Speaker 3: you know what I think of I think of you

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Speaker 3: Remember what was the year that that the Penguins played

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Speaker 3: at the Tampa in the first round the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: It was twenty eleven when Crosby and and Gino were

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Speaker 2: both on long term and they still made the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: But but this team ain't that team.

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Speaker 2: That team had a bunch of guys who won a

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Speaker 2: Cup two years before, including Jordan Stall. I'd feel a

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Speaker 2: lot better if they had that Jordan Stall right now.

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Speaker 3: Well, sure, but what they might have that Jordan Stall

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Speaker 3: and Ben Kimball. But like what I'm saying is what

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Speaker 3: that team did at the deadline, is it got Alecxi

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Speaker 3: Kvlev oh No.

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Speaker 2: I could see making a move like that that wouldn't

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Speaker 2: cost you necessarily that much.

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Speaker 1: Hey, here's what I suggested earlier, JB.

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Speaker 2: I said, if you could trade Skinner for like a solid,

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Speaker 2: you know, third line center or you know, something akin,

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Speaker 2: then call morrishoff up and roll the dice that he's

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Speaker 3: Be Oh, you know me, you know, I'd sign up

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Speaker 3: for that. I think the best, the you know, the

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Speaker 3: best chance for the Penguins to actually be a contender

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Speaker 3: is with mershav and goal Yeah right whenever that is, yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: that's what it's gonna be. In my opinion. Yeah, hockey

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Speaker 3: trade to get you a centerman, I think that would

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Speaker 3: make all the sense in the world. You know, when

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Speaker 3: you talked about then can the Penguins survive at Crosby's absence,

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Speaker 3: Goaltending's going to play a huge part of that, no question.

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Speaker 3: If you get Skinner on the heater that he was on,

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Speaker 3: you know before the Olympic break, you're gonna win a

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Speaker 3: I mean, they were getting great goaltending before the Olympic break,

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Speaker 2: When I said I want to trade Skinner, I'm not

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Speaker 2: looking to dump him. I just see him as a movable,

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Speaker 2: pretty good asset. I think he's done brilliantly here, right

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Speaker 2: And if you were.

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Speaker 3: Gonna if you were gonna make a hockey trade. You

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Speaker 3: want to trade from an area where you have a surplus,

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Speaker 3: and you have a surplus because you've got marshav in

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Speaker 3: the in the hopper. Yeah, if you could what you know,

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Speaker 3: like this, like this Kool Act for for for Girard trade,

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Speaker 3: Like if you could make a deal like that where

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Speaker 3: you move one of your existing forwards for a skilled centerman.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who that existing forward would be. I

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Speaker 3: don't think it's Rust and Raquel. That's probably too fundamental

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Speaker 3: to move. But yeah, moving pieces around and trying to

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Speaker 3: like old school hockey trade it. I'm all for that,

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Speaker 3: but I don't I agree with you that they're not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be like that would be like when

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Speaker 2: the Steelers traded for Minka using a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: It did absolutely no good.

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Speaker 2: It got that eate that year and they never won

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Speaker 2: a playoff game with Minka. Now, one thing I hesitate

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Speaker 2: to say, you got to tighten up defensively, because I

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Speaker 2: think they have tightened up defensively under Dan muse this year.

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Speaker 2: But like, I know that Carlson and Letang and Malkin

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Speaker 2: upgrade beyond what's been made is probably pie in the sky.

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Speaker 3: Probably. But I think the one thing you might see

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Speaker 3: look at how Carlson has played in his career when

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Speaker 3: he's on teams with less talent, you know, like the well, frankly,

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Speaker 3: like the Ottawa teams that went to what made deep

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Speaker 3: playoff runs, they didn't have a lot of forward talent.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Kyle Urras was their number one centerman and

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Speaker 3: then those bad San jose A teams. He does have

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Speaker 3: for offense, I mean, no question about it. I think

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Speaker 3: good bit. They have defensemen who can who can sort

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Speaker 3: the obvious flip side to that is that if they

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Speaker 2: What I want to see them do, though, is lean

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Speaker 2: more on the kids. I think that kids and their

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Speaker 2: energy can make up I mean, not tangibly for what

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Speaker 2: Sid does. But you know, Kindle's already a big part.

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Speaker 2: I'm and Avery Hayes is going to get a big

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Speaker 2: shot here. I would ride McGroarty more. I would just

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's I think that's where the higher ceiling

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Speaker 1: Although with no guarantee.

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Speaker 3: I agree, And that's a case for moving or Qul

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Speaker 3: to center. It's a case for maybe trying Malkin back

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Speaker 3: can make an impact, their wingers, they're there, that's true. McGroarty, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: their mc groarty, their Covenans playing real well in Wilkesbury

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Speaker 3: right now. I mean, those are three young guys that

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Speaker 3: be a young kid like Avery Hayes that that makes

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Speaker 3: it more you know, it's it's just it's more interesting

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Speaker 3: to watch than if they have replacement were Kevin Hayes, for.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you can skate, but had a

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Speaker 2: Was around and when he couldn't walk. Yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I mean there's some options. I mean, none of them

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Speaker 2: are as good as having sid But here's my pet

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Speaker 2: peeve to JB. Imagine where there they would be if

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Speaker 2: they were better in overtime and shootouts. And I still

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Speaker 2: would and would have sub dots shot offs for shootouts

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Speaker 2: because he's terrible. And I know they still won't even

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Speaker 2: when every point matters, I know they still won't.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's super unconventional. I mean you'd need a I

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Speaker 3: You know, how does he think he'd do in that time?

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Speaker 3: Hey, I don't want to be like I don't want

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Speaker 1: It's been bad.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's been evident with him throughout his career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think him playing for MWS is you're going

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Speaker 2: I think the key is that Ricky Wrax can do

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Speaker 3: He's just looked great. I mean every situation, every situation

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Speaker 3: I think that that would be the path of least resistance.

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Speaker 2: But I think you have to figure out immediately if

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Speaker 3: Think you will. I don't think it's gonna be hard

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Speaker 1: JB is always great stuff. Thank you for taking the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good to tech you.

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Speaker 2: Mark, that's the great Jonathan Mumbully of the trip. He's

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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hit your calls in Now, where's my

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Speaker 2: list of questions? Can the Penguins survive Crosby being got

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Speaker 1: Will they still make the playoffs? Uh?

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Speaker 2: What lineup changes would you make? You know, flipping guys

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Speaker 2: don't think they will and I don't think I would.

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Speaker 2: But but what's your call? That number eight three, three,

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Speaker 4: Nine, super genius, Mark Madden, super genius.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Park love the show.

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Speaker 1: Well if I won you over?

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Speaker 2: Buddy Betating Dusty Road to make a Dreams be a

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Speaker 3: At one five nine, we talk.

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Speaker 2: About the time frame for the Penguins to you know,

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Speaker 2: to repeat, I don't think they'll make a big move.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Kyle Dubis the GM will veer from

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Speaker 2: like the Steelers did in twenty nineteen for Minca out

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it. I just wouldn't do it because

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Speaker 2: I think it affects Geno poorly. I think it affects

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Speaker 2: what they do need to do is get like a

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Speaker 1: Have to pay. Your thoughts on any or all of that?

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Speaker 2: Dial now eight three three four one two WXDX, let's

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Speaker 2: go to big Z.

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Speaker 1: Big Z. You're only double.

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Speaker 5: M hey now, Yeah, So I mean in that same thing,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just they're just they're just not going to

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Speaker 2: They'll worry about the problem fitting him under the cap

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Speaker 2: or dumping him later, but not before this trade deadline,

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Speaker 2: No way.

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Speaker 6: No chance.

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Speaker 5: You know what what you know? Let me ask you

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they've adjusted those rules and Sid's going

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Speaker 2: not going to sit out when he could play. Thank

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Speaker 2: Can the Penguins survive and maintain their playoff spot with

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Speaker 6: And they had put themselves in that position nicely and

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Speaker 6: is that. Yeah, I mean, I think they could do it,

437
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,159
Speaker 6: but they're gonna could find themselves in more of a

438
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Speaker 6: battle than I think they would have been in had

439
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 6: he not gotten injured.

440
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Speaker 2: Would you make a big trade? Would you make any

441
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,439
Speaker 2: lineup changes? What what strikes you.

442
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 1: Would?

443
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't necessarily make any any big trades to get anybody.

444
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 6: I wouldn't even change the lineup much more than you

445
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Speaker 6: know with the way it is. I mean, I think

446
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 6: what they've done is you know, at first I thought,

447
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 6: would they've moved Geno to center, make him like the

448
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 6: number one center, But they're not doing that. You're going

449
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 6: to keep him on the wing. So I think for

450
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 6: whatever reason they have for not playing Gino in the

451
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 6: middle anymore, it still stands. I think it might have

452
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 6: something to do with his shoulder and not taking face offs.

453
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 6: I don't really know what the real reason is. No

454
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 6: one's really revealed the real reason why he's been moved

455
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,679
Speaker 6: to the wing. But if you know, if he's not

456
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 6: getting moved to the center ice position now is sit out,

457
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 6: that really tells you that he's not able to play

458
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 6: in the middle.

459
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Speaker 1: Sag. Yeah, I don't think it's anything to do with injury.

460
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Speaker 2: I just think he's a liability in the neutral zone

461
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 2: at center and has been for quite some time, and

462
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 2: a wing's that he's an offensive threat and picks up

463
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 2: the other two guys on his line.

464
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Speaker 6: You know, I could go with you there. I mean,

465
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 6: it's very very well could be a possibility. You know,

466
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 6: he's done a great job on the wing, and I

467
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 6: think he's been great there and I like that line,

468
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 6: so I don't have a problem with him playing wing.

469
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Speaker 6: It's just a you know, any if Sid got hurt

470
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 6: in the past, you know, always became the number one center.

471
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 6: You know, that's just the way it was. So it's

472
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 6: really kind of almost weird to see him not be

473
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 6: that guy with Sid out for that as long as

474
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Speaker 6: he's going to be out.

475
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Speaker 2: I think a big factor Stagg's going to be if

476
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: Ricard Raquel can adjust the center. I think he's smart

477
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 2: enough to do it, but it's a different position. That

478
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: line still has to be productive, and I think if

479
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: he can't do it, then you might have to think

480
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Speaker 2: about making a trade.

481
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Speaker 6: Well that's possible. I mean they let's put it this way,

482
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Speaker 6: there could be a need for another centerman and and

483
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 6: I could see KNL. Dubis thinking that he needs the

484
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 6: centerment anyway, you know what I mean. Like I I

485
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 6: kind of I think the injury to Sid has kind

486
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 6: of made us realize that there's not a lot of

487
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 6: depth there at that position right now for the family

488
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 6: in the middle, there's not any Yeah, well yeah, I mean,

489
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 6: like he's it's it's good that he can he can

490
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,479
Speaker 6: do that, but I I know it's not his natural position.

491
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 6: He has played it a lot in his career. But yeah,

492
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 6: I mean, so there's a possibility. I think of the deadline,

493
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 6: I could see Collins, there's a centerment he can get,

494
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 6: he might go. He might go for just a bolster

495
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 6: to the depth overall at the center ice position.

496
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Speaker 2: Well, Stagger, here's what I've been suggesting, because I would

497
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: not make a big trade. I don't think a big

498
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 2: trade's going to be out there with nearly every team

499
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: in the league still in the playoff hunt. People talk

500
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: about Jason Roberts, and I think that's a discussion for

501
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: after the season. But Dallas would never trade him with

502
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 2: the Stars being legit Stanley Cup contenders. But if somebody

503
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: needed a goalie, I would move Skinner for like a

504
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: third line center and then bring up more Shoff and

505
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: just gamble that he's ready.

506
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Speaker 6: Well, it wouldn't surprise me if if Stewart Skinner gets traded,

507
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 6: and I agree with you, Now, what would you get

508
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 6: in return? See the big thing with Stewart Skinner and

509
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 6: people say, well he trade him, Yeah, once he getting

510
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 6: offered for him, That's that's the big thing. And in

511
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 6: fact that goes for any of their players that are available.

512
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,239
Speaker 6: If you want to say available or you UFA's at

513
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 6: the end of the year. I mean, you know, you

514
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 6: don't never know what somebody's gonna come to. Kyle'll do

515
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 6: what's offering, so and I think that's the case with

516
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 6: with Brett Kulak. I mean I I called all along

517
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 6: that Brett Kulak would be attractive guy at the trade

518
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 6: deadline and other teams would be looking for him, and

519
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 6: also Stuart Skinner for that matter. So it didn't surprise

520
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 6: me at all here that Kulak was traded yesterday. And

521
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 6: I still feel the same way about the possibility of

522
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 6: Stuart Skinner getting traded because the Penguins are deep in

523
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 6: goal and you know, I think that's a possibility that

524
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 6: somebody might offer him quite a bit. So you know,

525
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 6: that might be the way to get that player you're

526
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 6: talking about, who could give them the depth they need

527
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 6: up front.

528
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would certainly consider it. And that's a knock

529
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: on Skinner. I think he's played very very well. What

530
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: about that Kulak trade. I'm not sure Girardi is is

531
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: better than Kulak, but I'm not sure he's not.

532
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: And you got the second round pick too well.

533
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 6: I like the deal. I mean, I think they got

534
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 6: a player who's twenty seven years old. Kulak is thirty two.

535
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 6: You know, I think they got a guy who's not that.

536
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 6: I mean I watched him today. He can he can skate,

537
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 6: you know, he's a talent kid.

538
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: But he plays like a penguin stagger and I I

539
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: don't underestimate stuff like that.

540
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 6: No, I don't either. He's got a lot of the

541
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 6: you know, offensive skill and me you know, he fits

542
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 6: the Penguin mold sort of, so to speak. It's just

543
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 6: I think the big thing isis as long as the

544
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 6: Penguins don't have to move left, he's to the right side,

545
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 6: you know, Like today they had their third pair was

546
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 6: Connor Clifton on the on the right. And if he's

547
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 6: not there playing, then you now, now what are you doing?

548
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 6: Like You've got to move Shaane on the right side,

549
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 6: and then you have Slovia playing the left side and

550
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 6: Shae on the right. And I don't I don't love that,

551
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?

552
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: No, No, I totally agree.

553
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: I mean, Shae can function on the right side, but

554
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 2: I certainly don't prefer that. You know what's worth itswaight

555
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: in gold Stagg. He's a guy who can legitimately play

556
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: both sides, like when we had Trevor Daily for the

557
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 2: two Cup teams when when ever somebody got hurt, he

558
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: could skate and was legit on either side. And that versatility,

559
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: which is rare, it helps so much.

560
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, and Jim Rutherford said, you've got Trevor Daily because

561
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 6: he wanted him to play the right side. He knew

562
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 6: that he could play the right side. I thought he

563
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 6: played it better than on the left side. But Brett

564
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 6: Koulak too, you know, was touted as a guy who

565
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 6: can play the right side without any trouble at all.

566
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 6: They didn't need to do that, but he could have.

567
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 6: And Ryan Shay's done a decent job there. But you know,

568
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 6: the way he's developed, I wouldn't want to, you know,

569
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 6: stunt that development at all by moving him to the

570
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 6: right and having him play there. But to answer your

571
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 6: overall question, it's a good trade. I mean, they got

572
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 6: a guy who's five years younger than the other guy.

573
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 6: He could play for the Penguins next year. He was

574
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 6: once touted as a really really good defensive I mean,

575
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 6: before they got Kel mccarr, he was their guy.

576
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 3: You know.

577
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 6: I remember people talking really glowingly about Sam gra Ard,

578
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 6: So I think the Penguins got themselves a pretty nice

579
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 6: player there. I'm just a little concerned about the side,

580
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 6: you know, the range, How tall is he, how much

581
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 6: reached you have? You know these are How difficult is

582
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 6: it to go around him? What kind of stuff is

583
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 6: he going to do in front of the net for you,

584
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 6: you know, things of that nature. That's all you know.

585
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 6: And hopefully it won't be a problem for the Penguins.

586
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 6: They'll find a way to make that stuff work with

587
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 6: him playing with Latang Staggy.

588
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: I think it's important they come out of the gate

589
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: hout after this Olympic break. The weakest part of their

590
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: schedule is the next five or six games, and after

591
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: that it gets incredibly tough. I'm not so worried about

592
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 2: how tight the schedule's packed, because it's packed that way

593
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: for every team. But I think if they come out

594
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: of the gate and even go two and two in

595
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: their first four and maintain their cushion, I think that'll

596
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: go a long way. They certainly can't afford an awful restart.

597
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 6: Well. The interesting thing is that people are talking about

598
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 6: how much great it is that the Penguins have games

599
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 6: in hand all that means is that they're playing more

600
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 6: games during a shorter period of time and they don't

601
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 6: have any days off in between. They kind of make

602
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 6: that injury to sit a little more palatable. You know,

603
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 6: you don't have any three four day breaks in there

604
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 6: where that would be time he could be healing, so

605
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 6: that you don't have him not playing games, and so

606
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 6: now you're going to be playing games. And the irony

607
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 6: of it is Sid loves to play games like he

608
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 6: doesn't play as well when he.

609
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: So heartbreaking for him, and you could see that in

610
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: his face when he spoke today.

611
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 6: Oh man, you know he loves playing these every other

612
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 6: day schedules. He would have loved it. So does everybody else,

613
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 6: I mean, all the players like that. Like, I don't

614
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 6: think you're right. I don't think it's so much that

615
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 6: the games are just so many games in a short

616
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 6: period of time, other than the fact of now you've

617
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 6: got to play games without Sid and where you could

618
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 6: have maybe had a little a little bit more of

619
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 6: a softer schedule in terms of how many games, so

620
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 6: that you would have had more days for him to

621
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 6: heal without having to play a game.

622
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: Right, you got games in hand, But now you've got

623
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: to play him without.

624
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 6: Sid, right, That's he said it a lot better than

625
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 6: I did. Mark. That's exactly what I meant.

626
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been such an advantage and now

627
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: it just it really sucks. Staggy, what was your take

628
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: on the Olympic final in the Olympics in jail? And

629
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: as I've been saying, and I said it before, Sid

630
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: got hurt. But this is why I don't want NHL

631
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: players in the Olympics. You're putting assets at risk without

632
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: any tangible return. I get that these guys want to

633
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: do it, but look at what's happened now to the Penguins.

634
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 6: I don't disagree with you. I you know, it disrupts

635
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 6: the NHL schedule. You know, you're right. I mean, it's

636
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 6: big money's being spent and he Crossby's the face of

637
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 6: the game and now he's hurt. You know. I I'm

638
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 6: with you there, I you know, but the players want

639
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 6: to do it, and they do it for the players.

640
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 6: They desperately want to play in the Olympics. So what

641
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 6: are you going to do now? The other thing is

642
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 6: I you know, I was disappointed as Sid was out.

643
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 6: It kind of ruined the Olympics. For me to be

644
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 6: honest with you, I mean, I enjoyed.

645
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: The game, and they actually I wanted Sid to win,

646
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: which makes me a bad American. But I can cite

647
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: many other reasons I'm a bad American, so that didn't

648
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: bother me. But but yeah, it just it sucked the

649
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: life out of me, even though that was a great game.

650
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 6: Oh it was an incredible game. And you know, I

651
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 6: don't like three on three deciding those games with those.

652
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Speaker 1: Are the rules I do. I do you look at

653
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Speaker 1: I mean, and I dar and you.

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Speaker 6: Say that yesterday I looked at those.

655
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Speaker 2: Look at the memorable goals in games and endings that

656
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Speaker 2: three on three provided.

657
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Speaker 1: Who was it?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

659
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Speaker 1: Was it? Peter MacGuire.

660
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Speaker 2: Phil Borke early in the week said that when you

661
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Speaker 2: play five on five overtime, it can go forever and

662
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Speaker 2: the goal just banks in off of skate in traffic.

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Speaker 1: John Butcherkross said.

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Speaker 6: That Diddy, you know, okay, But here's the thing, though,

665
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Speaker 6: you know, like what I don't like about three on

666
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Speaker 6: three is it's like what Mike Sullivan used to say,

667
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Speaker 6: It's kind of like a game of chance, you know

668
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Speaker 6: what I mean, It's so much more unpredictability, volatility in

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Speaker 6: how it unfolds. And that's the part that you know

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Speaker 6: that I I don't like it has. It doesn't have

671
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Speaker 6: the same sort of predictable you know nature. It's just

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Speaker 6: an unpredictable kind of thing. And so you know, and

673
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Speaker 6: then you're relying on certain players like I got Canada

674
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Speaker 6: relied too much on their top guy.

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Speaker 2: No, no questions, no question The Cooper bitched afterwards.

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Speaker 6: I'm not complaining about that, Mark. I get it, you know,

677
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Speaker 6: like like it's it's a different environment. It's the Olympics,

678
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 6: it's not the NHL. But you know that that wasn't

679
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 6: my problem with it. What really bothered me, if you

680
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Speaker 6: want to know what really bothered me, Okay, the stuff

681
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 6: that it's always bothered me about hockey. It's the ugly

682
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Speaker 6: nature of the hockey that I have to accept, and

683
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Speaker 6: that is officiating. It made me sick that they didn't

684
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Speaker 6: call interference on Andre Pallott for knocking Sydney Crosby down

685
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Speaker 6: in middle ice where he was.

686
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Speaker 2: They didn't protect sid when the checks were when the

687
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Speaker 2: excuse me, when he yeah, when the when he was

688
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: being targeted. I mean, like you know, people turn on

689
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Speaker 2: the TV to see him not rad Co MF Andduddas well.

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Speaker 6: I'm with you there, and I think Sid doesn't really

691
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Speaker 6: say much negative about what Dudas did, but I'm I'm

692
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Speaker 6: saying something about Chris Rooney because he should have called

693
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Speaker 6: a penalty on the lot for interference, in which case

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Speaker 6: Sid would never have had to make contact with Dudhas

695
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Speaker 6: and it's still be playing and he would have played

696
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Speaker 6: in that game. So it's the same old story market.

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Speaker 6: The problem is that we are really sensitive to it

698
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Speaker 6: because of what we saw for decades here with Mario

699
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Speaker 6: and and the way that referee he can handle himself.

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Speaker 6: And I mean, it's, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Ever protected was Gretzky because he was a skinny wimp

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Speaker 2: and he came from Ontario.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, that's true.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I hate to say that, but we we

705
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Speaker 6: had to put up with it. So I think we

706
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Speaker 6: continue to have to put up with it.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: The one thing, another thing that stands out in my mind,

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Speaker 6: just an example, I remember after Sid had his broken

710
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Speaker 6: jaw when he got hit with that shot at brooks

711
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Speaker 6: Orpick and it broke his teeth and his face and

712
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 6: he took him a while to come back and he

713
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 6: comes back into playoffs and Dan o'chara hauls off and

714
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Speaker 6: sucker punches him right in the face in front of

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Speaker 6: the net, and there's not even a penalty. You know,

716
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Speaker 6: it was so obvious what he was doing was targeting

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Speaker 6: his broken jaw.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's like, Okay, maybe it might not have been any

720
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Speaker 6: big deal, but it's an example of what I'm talking about.

721
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Speaker 6: It's like, they don't protect stars, and then they you know,

722
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Speaker 6: and then the league wonders why, you know, it's a

723
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Speaker 6: problem that they don't have their stars. I think even

724
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Speaker 6: the biggest game of the year, Like it just took

725
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Speaker 6: a lot out of it for me, and it annoyed

726
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Speaker 6: me that Chris Rooney didn't call that penalty when he

727
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Speaker 6: had that opportunity, and it was in a plain sight.

728
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Speaker 6: I mean, everybody in the world is looking at Sydney

729
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Speaker 6: Crosby and so were their effort. Rooney was too, but

730
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Speaker 6: he didn't make the call. It's just it's the only

731
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Speaker 6: thing about hockey that bothers me to be honest with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Stagge, like everybody in Canada is lying non

733
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Speaker 2: stop since they lost, and I knew they would. But

734
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Speaker 2: Cooper blaming three on three. Maybe if you hadn't doubles

735
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Speaker 2: shifted your three best players in the overtime, shift off

736
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Speaker 2: and shift right back, and hadn't played them each twenty

737
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Speaker 2: five minutes every game in the tournament, maybe three on

738
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Speaker 2: three would have shaped up better.

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't disagree with that. You know, doesn't come

740
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Speaker 6: off right when you're the loser and you say that.

741
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Speaker 6: What if you have said that and you know out

742
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Speaker 6: in another context, like there's a reason why we don't

743
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Speaker 6: use three on three in the Stanley Cup playoffs. I

744
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Speaker 6: accept those words, you know, very much so. But but

745
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Speaker 6: I also don't think he should have said it when

746
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Speaker 6: he did well Stagg.

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Speaker 2: The thing too, is that that I think he panicked

748
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Speaker 2: when Sid got hurt. I think he saw Sid getting

749
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Speaker 2: hurt as all his depth evaporating, and you look at

750
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: that roster that clearly wasn't the case.

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Speaker 6: I agree, and you know, you never know. I mean,

752
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Speaker 6: Mitch Marner might have been good if he'd been on

753
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Speaker 6: the ice of the three on three pretty good player

754
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 6: right there and scored against Yeah, he seems to have

755
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 6: a little something special in him in those situations. Who

756
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 6: could have predicted that? You know that McKinnon would miss

757
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Speaker 6: an open net, you know, at the side of the

758
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Speaker 6: net with a shot in that situation, and you know,

759
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Speaker 6: and Conor McDavid would get a breakaway, And I mean,

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Speaker 6: you close your eyes when Connor McDavid was a breakaway

761
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Speaker 6: ninety nine percent of the time you open them back

762
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Speaker 6: up and there's a buck in the net.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not true.

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Speaker 2: When Connor McDavid gets a game, he's the one who

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Speaker 2: closes his eyes.

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Speaker 6: Maybe, but he didn't you even really get a shot

767
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Speaker 6: off and the one he had, and that was frustrating

768
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Speaker 6: to watch. So hey, listen, I I wanted Sid to win.

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Speaker 6: I really did. I didn't do it that I and

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Speaker 6: I was happy in the final analysis. I thought it

771
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Speaker 6: was real cool that that that Jack Hughes scored the

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Speaker 6: winning goal the way he did. The hockey's the only

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Speaker 6: game on earthwork. I get his teeth knocked out and

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Speaker 6: ten minutes later he's doing an interview with a couple

775
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Speaker 6: of missing teeth and blood in his mouth and he

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Speaker 6: after scoring a winning goal in a game. So that's

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Speaker 6: one of the really cool dramatic aspects of hockey that

778
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Speaker 6: you have to love. And uh, you know, Jack Hughes

779
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Speaker 6: seems like a great kid, and he'll be here tomorrow night.

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Speaker 6: And I mean I was happy for him, and you know,

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Speaker 6: I was happy for all the American players, you know

782
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Speaker 6: who you know experienced something that maybe only once in

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Speaker 6: a lifetime thing and you know, so in that respect,

784
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 6: it's great for the country, great for hockey. A lot

785
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 6: of people saw, you know, great game watched at the

786
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 6: eight o'clock in the morning, mind you, but I really

787
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 6: think it was a you know, a positive outcome for

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Speaker 6: our sport.

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Speaker 1: Staggy, great stuff, and we'll talk soon. I'll see at

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Speaker 1: the rink.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Mark, Thanks, take care.

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Speaker 2: Hillary Knight spoke the captain of the gold medal winning

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Speaker 2: US women's hockey team. Don't forget we have Ava McNaughton,

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Speaker 2: a local woman, one of the goaltenders on that gold

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Speaker 2: medal winning team. She'll join the program tomorrow at two thirty.

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Speaker 2: But Hillary Knight talked about the relationship between the US

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Speaker 2: men's and women's teams, and she said they've always had

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Speaker 2: a great, great supportive relationship that was skewed by the

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Speaker 2: media because the men didn't jump on Trump when he

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Speaker 2: was on the phone after they won and he said,

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Speaker 2: I guess I have to invite the women's team now.

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Speaker 2: But there seems to be no rift between the men's

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Speaker 2: and women's teams.

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Speaker 1: And nor do the women hold against the men.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what were the men supposed to do saying

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Speaker 2: if you, mister president, don't talk that way about the women.

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Speaker 2: It's an awkward situation because the President said dumb what

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Speaker 2: word dipstick? That's good, you know what words should be

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Speaker 2: in there. Uh but uh yeah, I'm glad that everybody

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00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 2: on the men's and women's teams has said and done

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Speaker 2: the right thing in the interim of of all the media,

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Speaker 2: especially those scumbags no offense Josh at the athletic, those

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Speaker 2: absolute scumbags at the athletic trying to hijacket for their

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Speaker 2: political purposes them, especially that knit with for ESPN as well. Yo,

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Speaker 2: whether you're radical right or radical left, you're all idiots.

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Speaker 2: Leave hockey alone. Okay, just leave hockey alone. Let that

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Speaker 2: moment stand. Just leave it alone and shut the frig up.

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Speaker 2: Not to be critical. Then number to call again A three,

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Speaker 2: three four one two w XDC. Let's go to Matt.

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Speaker 2: Matt your own double m.

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Speaker 7: Rginia's one of big Saxony Mine. Just want to give

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Speaker 7: a shout out to the Thomas Jefferson boys and girls

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Speaker 7: basketball teams. I don't know if it's the first time

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Speaker 7: I'm in school history, but both will be playing the

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Speaker 7: Whitfield Championship Friday. Big congrats to them, most notably the

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Speaker 7: boys head coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, We're not gonna We're not gonna review everybody, but

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Speaker 2: thank you for the call.

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Speaker 1: Way to go TJ.

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Speaker 2: This is a Northfield station, although that guy delivered my

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Speaker 2: TV for which I am greatfully did a great job.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to a talkback, Hey, Mark, what up mine?

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Speaker 8: Seeing how the Penguins could trade Skinner and they need

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00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 8: a third line center, how about they bring back Teddy Blueger.

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Speaker 3: He's cheap.

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Speaker 1: Skinner's cheap makes sense? What do you say? I know

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00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: what would cost to get him? That makes sense?

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Speaker 2: Although I normally hate recycling, but yeah, maybe let's go

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Speaker 2: to a talkback.

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Speaker 9: Hey, super genius Eric and Toledo. Earlier you mentioned Slapshot

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Speaker 9: as the greatest sports film of all time, and while

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Speaker 9: I have it in my top five for sure, you

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Speaker 9: put it ahead of Rocky, Raging Bull and even eight

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Speaker 9: Men Out. I think those may be trump that, but

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Speaker 9: I think you can make an argument either way.

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Speaker 1: No slap Job.

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Speaker 2: It is number one hockey of all time and perhaps

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Speaker 2: the number one film of all time. Case closed, Let's

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Speaker 2: good to Seth. Seth thrown with double M good sir,

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Speaker 2: I said, good day.

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Speaker 8: I apologize like I apologize, And you may have mentioned

870
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 8: this with with stag Ye, I can only caught part

871
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 8: of it, but with set Out, whether it's Trade or

872
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 8: Wilkes like who at center is potentially even available to

873
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 8: slide in?

874
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: Probably nobody, because that's why they're moving Ricky Racks to center.

875
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: They don't feel comfortable with any of the other options

876
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: most of the pain.

877
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean, bro'z is a wing, I think, you know,

878
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: obviously mcgroarty's a wing. Avery Hayes is a wing.

879
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: You know. They have plenty of wings, but not a

880
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: lot of centers. And this injury to Sid has not

881
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: only deprived them of a star player, these star player

882
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: for the team, but also uncovered their lack of depth

883
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 2: at center.

884
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: Made more obvious. I should let's good to Jeff. Jeff,

885
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: you're a double n.

886
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: Hey Mark.

887
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 6: Have you ever seen the Leonard Skinner drummer Armas Pou.

888
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen him a couple of times at out

889
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: at the Lamp in Erwin, which is a venue I

890
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: really like as well.

891
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, why is he playing locally sooner?

892
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: Yep?

893
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, March fourteenth the Lamp.

894
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: I will almost I will almost certainly go.

895
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: And I like Artemis He's a good guy, and they

896
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: do and it really is the equivalent of a Skinner

897
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: tribute because that's all they play it.

898
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they.

899
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: He was the drummer for a good portion of the

900
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: Glory Day is the last surviving member of skinnerd in

901
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: the Glory Days. So yeah, he puts on a very

902
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: good show. Thank you for the call.